I'm your newest sub! Thank you for the education you're giving me. I've been shooting nitrocellulose lacquer on the guitars I make for twenty years, kind of making it up as I go along, getting decent but not perfect finishes... I've learned more from watching a few of your videos in two days than I have in years of trial and error. Especially regarding the equipment. I just bought a Spectrum Black Widow HTE gun today, and got it set up and ready. I'm going to go live with it tomorrow morning. It is a whole new category for me. Thanks for guiding me through it! After 20 years of this, I might finally start getting good at it!
Thank you for this excellent explanation of the evolution of the spray guns. I grew up with the old can on the bottom siphon spray guns. They were terrible. I learned a lot from your video.
Great informational video,I am a garage guy trying to learn as much as I can for a up coming project I want to do.Took auto body in HS but so much has changed in 25 yrs.. Maybe you could do some on easy to work with primers,paints and clear coats.Keep the vids coming.
Very informative i spray from a home garage and saw the HTE gun being used and wondered what it men Cheers Neil from the UK . Every day is a school day .
I painted my car my metallic base and cleared it with the Black Widow HTE and the results are basically amazing. Zero orange peel no runs, smooth finish. You cannot tell the car was even re painted, it came out almost perfect. For the price under two hundred dollars worth every penny.
@@music7artsCan you tell me what your pressure was set to on your regulator for the HVLP and for the HTE. I just bought both of these Black Widow guns and am about to use the this week.
I am the head painter at our shop spraying PPG DBC... I wanted to try the 1.3 out of the blue this morning on blending a BMW hood in the A90 code color... 1st thing i did was to test spray pattern at 8" distance & pattern was OK (Very similar to the Sata 5500x in the "I"/Iwata pattern).. This gun really did struggle with transfer in order to achieve a closed/wet coat.. Over a wet bed of DBC500 blender, It also struggled with the blending as well as having to work it a little bit extra in order to execute the effect/orientation coat...... The gun just felt like it would do better for clear . Again it was a process to work the gun with tight 75% overlapping done at 6" above the surface. Follow up 2nd coat of clear was done in the same manner at 6" & overlap ONLY at a slower speed.... I did get a passable finish from it that an Insurance company wouldn't complain about paying for but it is a slow gun when compared to My Sata 4000 & 5000s that are my Go to's for metallics & I Clear with the Super Nova as well.... I was also doing a blend on A 2018 F150 RR tricoat color & I had ZERO confidence to attempt to use the Black Widow on that but, I might have used it to apply the ruby tinted midcoat of DC400 - if that says anything..................
I will say that compared to my Devilbiss prolite and Devilbiss plus the widow does struggle a bit to put it on wet in comparison to my higher end guns, takes an extra pass or two with the widow, it also seems to do better with medium solids clear than high solids clear in my opinion , perhaps a little reducer might help in getting the clear to flow out better. As far as metallics go it does ok I wouldn’t say it’s the best for metallics but again it’s really not designed for metallic base. I Agree with ya on the i pattern similar to the sata nice narrow elongated pattern. I have yet to compare it side by side to a genuine sata but in my opinion in the price point that it’s in most garage painters and diyers like myself , will find it well suited enough to achieve a half decent garage paint job. 🤙🏻
Hey bro I just want to say man you taught me a whole lot man I've been looking through video through video through video trying to find everything you taught me in 15 16 minutes thank you man you're a hell of a teacher you are the type of person I want to learn from so please let me know I subscribe to you anytime you're painting anything I would love to learn more from you bro you are totally F - in awesome 😎👍
When I started painting, HVLP was just starting.. the old guys training me used to use Devilbiss JG8 conventional siphon feed. My first gun which I still use today was a SATA jet nr95. It's next to impossible to get a rebuild kit and I'm thinking there is better out there. Although I am here because I just bought an HTE. Had no idea what that means. Thanks for the video
As I mentioned in your other video, I've sprayed everything with the 1.3 HTE and it did great. I'm talking about everything from primer to candy with micro flake and clear!! You're pushing it with the micro flake but she did not clog up at all!
I can tell you all that if you are a hobbyist, or weekend warrior and dont have a massive shop compressor, you wont be happy with an HVLP gun! It means high volume low pressure. You have to have a massive amount of air volume to atomize the paint correctly at the tip. You wont achieve that with most home compressors. Being in a shop environment, you can clear out a panel with HVLP gun and get great results, because of the massive amount of air volume running our shop. Very different going from booth to a garage. You really have to get your technique down and adjust on the fly, even with the same gun! Also, we dont have to be HVLP compliant, we just have to be compliant. Meaning transfer efficiency over a certain threshold. HVLP guns are "compliant" but other guns dont have to meet those exact numbers. Just have to be within a certain percentage to be "compliant". Alot of technical terms and mumbo jumbo!! Lol Good vids man. Keep it up!
@@sunnydayys4917 Thats the exact comment i hear constantly! Needing lots of air has nothing to do with pressure. Its about volume! HVLP needs high volumes of air, capacity wise,not pressures. Its kist the design of the guns. The guns that use to run around 50psi were not HVLP.
Conventional is not the devil.. not sure why many don't understand that there's several conventional guns that don't require high pressure. In fact, they can be ran with a small compressor. LVLP is a horse of another color.. they'll do the same but don't put out enough paint to go past panel work. The EPA simply got it wrong, but I suppose there's an ulterior motive behind the push towards HVLP.... like trying to hinder the DIYer
Great video brother and thank you for sharing it and I just bought an HTE gun at harbor freight and wanted to know the main differences between that and my HVLP guns abd you answered ALL of my questions! 👍
in light of your post, you might be interested in his other video where he takes the black widow a part and reviews it (in case you haven't found it yet, here is the link): th-cam.com/video/usFJ4bSwNyg/w-d-xo.html
Hi! I just wanted to thank you for the run-down on the new guns. The last time I painted anything there were only the standard siphon-feed guns Now from what you have said I'm gonna purchase an HVLP and an HTE. The one question I have for you is which gun would be best to use for rubberized undercoating? Maybe that can be your next Video. Thanks for the information on the new guns!
I used to paint cars as a hobbyist with good results. I used to use a knockoff Bink's Model 7 but the last time I painted with it, I used fisheye eliminator. I was told once I used the stuff the gun was contaminated, and I'd need the fisheye eliminator to use the gun from there on. I haven't painted a car in at least 20 years and was planning on using a new Devilbiss Finish Line HVLP gun or a new AEROPRO HVLP SPRAY GUN G6600 HVLP gun! I also have a Bink's 2001 siphon feed gun with an agitator cup that is new but has been in storage since the 1980's. I'm going to spray my Cutlass 442 in NOS PPG Duracryl-Acrylic lacquer Viking Blue metallic topped with High Performance Clear like I used to. Some on forums say that HTLV won't do a good job on metallics. One comment says that the Model 7 isn't contaminated. Not sure what to do. Every comment gets this old man more confused....LOL! I was wondering about using one of the HTLV guns for the color and then get a black widow for the clear. All I want is to get this one last car done and that's it. I do like that the HTLV and HTE guns will create less fog in the air. I do like the way you present things on your channel. I just don't have the confidence that I did as a young man.
a auto refinisher can use either of them and get Good results, I have been for 48 years my preference its a HTE for clears 2k & Acrylics next HVLP for 2k base and colours Acrylics and all primers my hobby is making guitars when I'm not painting cars where i use a bit of nitrocellulose which i use HVLP and I only use either Iwata and DeVilbiss guns, my most expensive guns are HTE and I keep for only clears I'm not a SATA fan I have about 25-30 guns and as many I use for parts, good vlog you covered most things
I understand air flow is a key factor, not just PSI. Air flow is measured in CFM and typically HVLP require minimum 14 CFM at the gun, remembering there are losses in flow between the compressor tank and the gun. CFM (FAD) is generally third less than CFM (Displacement), if your air compressor is advertised as 10 CFM (displacement), the Free Air Delivery (FAD) is probably around 6.6 CFM. FAD is "free air delivery" and is the volume of air actually discharged. So my 14 CFM compressor will never be better than 9-10 FAD at the gun and that regulator valves, hoses, water separators and their fittings all need to be high CFM rated. For example I changed my 8mm or 1/4” hose to 3/8” or 10mm and with high flow fittings. I also changed the separator to 110 CFM at 60 PSI to ensure it wasn’t choking the air CFM delivery. I even removed the little pressure gauge at the gun and only rely on the gauge at the tank. So many variables to consider that matching gun spec to your system CFM is paramount. Hope that helps.
The acronyms refer to air. High volume ( 12-18 CFM) while at low pressure 10:30 and those usually reach for no more than 20 psi. Compliant/HTE maintain relatively decent CFM numbers that are much lower than HVLP (8-12 CFM) while using more pressure (18-32 psi). LVLP of course are usually lower across the board, but at a cost of smaller fans and less fluid output...meaning a much slower gun. As far as cap pressures... HVLP & Compliant/HTE generally have similiar cap pressures but arrive at it in different ways which does make a difference. I beg to differ though on the latter not being good at metallics. The cap prsssure doesnt really determine that. The design in fan shape and atomization have more to do with that and theres several compliant gun examples that perform well on metallic base
Thanks for the clarification. I have used a Sata hvlp for years for both base and clearcoat. I am going to get a black widow HTE and try it with the clearcoat
there's a 4th type of spray gun LVLP, low volume low pressure guns work good for the hobbyist which usually have smaller compressors that can't sustain the air volume needed by HVLP guns!!!
folowing up. So the HTE style would be best for 2k clear? and sinc e your video I see Black widow has changed the gun and added 2 airbrushes and a portable silent compressor.
How is the same gun both in HTE and HVLP different? Is it in the pin and orifice? for example I have a Harbor Freight Black Widow which is HVLP. Would changing the pin and orifice with jet assembly make it an HTE gun then? I am getting ready to order a different orifice size end cap is why my question here.. Where exactly is the difference occuring between the two?
There are cap difference but also internal machined gun body changes too which cannot be changed. Also the hvlp cap will not interchange between hvlp and hte on that gun
@@Mechaniclyfe Do you know of any specifications or documenation related to differences in HTE and HVLP methodologies? I am seeing the HVLP as a regulatory label where HTE as an alternative but not regulated.. Are they two completing regulatory certs or something? I am trying to get a grasp on what these two actually mean and relate to.. My fear is that is just governmental mumbo-jumbo...
TO EACH THIER OWN....I BOUGHT A BINKS #7 BACK IN THE 70's AND I'm STILL USE'n IT TO DAY..I GET THE SAME RESULTS WITH IT AS I DO WITH MY SATA & DeVILBISS GRAVITY GUNS ......JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SET E'm UP.
That's a really good question. I am thinking of refinishing my cabinets. I've painted Automotive since the 90s. I would think that there is a gun out there with a big tip 1.7-2.5 because of the fact that interior home paints seem to be thicker. That's just a guess I'm sure the guy that made this video would know way more than me or a guy who paints kitchen cabinets🤷♂️ PS I replied to your, to get nudge the Creator maybe he will respond LOL
Yeah man. Good info there. That was a real comprehensive break down of the knowledge of wich guns are premient to each function. Thanks and be easy bro!!!
Why use hvlp for base coat if it leaves orange peel? I am a DIY and I plan on painting my 1990 ZR-1, I have a conventional spray gun and have painted a car and it turned out good. If you were in my position which gun would you use? I don't know how to deal with orange peel, so I need to get the smoothest finish I can. Thanks for the info, giant help to me. 👍👍
Hvlp leaves less overspray, faster color coverage but struggles with finishing do to smaller air compressor air volume. It needs a high amount of air flow to work efficiently
Great video you explain so people understand. I have one question I just bought a Chinese knock off gun to use at our farm it’s a green 1000 pro DeWabiss what can you tell me about this gun it’s made by Weta in China it has a 1.3 tip and they brag about it’s good to atomization what did they copy it from is it a hybrid between Sata and a DeVilbiss. Please help me out I think you’re pretty good on Judging paint guns what is this gun good for paining clear primer base sealer?
I’ve purchased two sprayguns from dewabiss , and both seemed to have decent quality features, in some cases however they seemed to be poor quality control on the air cap, a few defective air caps . It’s really a hit or miss with these sprayguns unfortunately , but both sprayguns conclusively sprayed decent enough to achieve a good finish, which I was rather surprised with .
These EPA rules are very stringent. If you want to look it up you’d need to read the National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP). He is 100% correct on the diy painters not being regulated by the EPA but you need to check out your state and local rules as well, some of them are more restrictive than the EPA.
I use the black widow Hte and im getting some really nice paint jobs done using it pretty happy with it considering it sprays just as good as my sata 5k lol
To me there all the same . The key to any paint job is your body work. Let’s say I do a some mediocre bodywork and use a $800 gun . How do you think my Paint job is going to look?. Then I do super beautiful body work and I use a $30 gun. How do you think my paint jobs going to look?
You left out LVLP, which is what most DIY guys should be buying. High volume has abdolutely nothing to do with the volume of material, it is refering to it using a large volume of air. They orange peel easier because higher pressure atomizes better. HVLP is fine if you have an industrial compressor, they absolutely suck if you have a 20 gallon in your garage
Your right in the aspect that by definition high volume low pressure has to do with air volume, but that air volume directly effect the amount of material that comes out , hvlp compliance has to do with a certain amount of paint volume hitting the panel , to be hvlp compliant it must be 65 percent or higher of material transferring to such substrate being sprayed.
@@Mechaniclyfe yes, that doesn't mean it applys more finish though, it means there is less overspray. They achieve this by not atomizing as well and having less velocity of material hitting the pannel. Do a test with thinners, full fan, wide open fluid tip, same air pressure. They will both empty the cup in about the same time
Another option for you would be, a Fuji semi pro turbine sprayer . Complete unit Fuji 2203G Semi-PRO 2 - Gravity HVLP Spray System, Blue www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4NPPQY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_hY92Eb35FDKXA
If you’re painting a whole car you need at least a 60 gallon compressor, cheapest 60 gallon compressor I’ve seen is a craftsman for $1000, a HTE spectrum gun at Harbor freight is between $125 and $150 and that’s just for a middle of the road gun.
Thanks for your videos. You do them very well. What do you recommend for suction feed spray guns. I use a lot of guns. But I often have to spray naked car underbodys over my head and so I want to get one.
Great explanations on the differences between the guns...... I personally like the HTE guns over the HVLPs when it comes to a flatter glass like finish..... Air caps te10 te20
RP is not conventional it stands for Reduced Pressure same as HTE which are known as Compliant guns different manufacturers terms for the same thing , you have no real understanding of these terms
Yes correct Rp is essentially an HTE , I believe i mentioned that in the video, I mentioned that I was using an RP spraygun in place of a conventional spraygun because I didn’t have a conventional spray gun to show at the time of the video. Hope that clears up any misunderstandings
HVLP= HIGH VOLUME (of air) LOW PRESSURE..! The gun takes a lot of AIR, (bigger or more holes in air cap) Volume= air (consumption). 😉(You can always adjust fluid knob)
That's the first thing that came to my mind. It has nothing to do with the volume of paint, it's the volume of air. In fact, there's plenty of conventional guns that don't require a ton of pressure. Several can work as low as 20psi.
Hey thx for the clarity . I watched for the second time. Or 3rd great stuff.. Do they know sell larger tips 2.o for hte?.. was hoping to shoot my high build primer & clear all with one gun.. if not guess ill get 2 BLACK WIDOWS.. ( HVLP & HTE)
Two guns isn’t needed you could get away with just one but , do make sure you clean out all pearls mica before going to the next coating or different jobs
Lvlp are generally more for small air compressors, these guns require much less cfm then the others, smaller fan pattern , less material usage and a bit slower gun but like I said good for small air compressors and at home spraying
@@Mechaniclyfe I was going ask the same question, yes they are advertised for people needing lower air demands like the home gamer with a smaller compressor, and I'd imagine that they are still required to get the 65% transfer efficiency in the USA, but do they spray closer to an HVLP or HTE? BTW, this is the best video that I've seen on the topic yet.
Hey thanks for the info! I work at a bodyshop, only have a few months experience, and I'm about to buy my first gun. Since I'll only have one for a bit, I'm looking for something that will spray sealer, base, And clear if possible. I have about a few hundred to spend. What would you recommend?
Thanks, great video. I went out and purchased a 1.3 HTE and a 1.7 HVLP for my restoration project going from Metal to clear. I think I’ll need a gun with a 2.0 or greater to spray a high build primer, is that the case? If so, which sub $75 gun do you recommend for spraying high build?
There are some decent guns through Autobody Supermarket that have a 2.5 tip, but that's real big and something I'd typically use for a spray poly instead of a typical primer. Cheap too, around 60-80 bucks. I've put primer through the 1.7 help without an issue, and in fact, I recently had a buddy who is a very high end painter suggest spraying my primer mixed as a sealer through my base gun 1.3. It worked great.
@@57Joe was going to prime before base coat and only have the hte. Is the sealer primer something I can do with that? Instead of just primer? Thank you!
I'm your newest sub! Thank you for the education you're giving me. I've been shooting nitrocellulose lacquer on the guitars I make for twenty years, kind of making it up as I go along, getting decent but not perfect finishes... I've learned more from watching a few of your videos in two days than I have in years of trial and error. Especially regarding the equipment. I just bought a Spectrum Black Widow HTE gun today, and got it set up and ready. I'm going to go live with it tomorrow morning. It is a whole new category for me. Thanks for guiding me through it! After 20 years of this, I might finally start getting good at it!
Well did u get it painted
Thank you for this excellent explanation of the evolution of the spray guns. I grew up with the old can on the bottom siphon spray guns. They were terrible. I learned a lot from your video.
He is misinformed about alot of it
Great informational video,I am a garage guy trying to learn as much as I can for a up coming project I want to do.Took auto body in HS but so much has changed in 25 yrs.. Maybe you could do some on easy to work with primers,paints and clear coats.Keep the vids coming.
Very informative i spray from a home garage and saw the HTE gun being used and wondered what it men Cheers Neil from the UK . Every day is a school day .
I learned a lot just watching this video and thank you for this🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Nice comparison, but a demo of each with the same paint would have been icing on the cake.
I painted my car my metallic base and cleared it with the Black Widow HTE and the results are basically amazing. Zero orange peel no runs, smooth finish. You cannot tell the car was even re painted, it came out almost perfect. For the price under two hundred dollars worth every penny.
@@music7artsNo orange peel whaaaaaa 😮🎉
@@music7artsCan you tell me what your pressure was set to on your regulator for the HVLP and for the HTE. I just bought both of these Black Widow guns and am about to use the this week.
I am the head painter at our shop spraying PPG DBC... I wanted to try the 1.3 out of the blue this morning on blending a BMW hood in the A90 code color... 1st thing i did was to test spray pattern at 8" distance & pattern was OK (Very similar to the Sata 5500x in the "I"/Iwata pattern).. This gun really did struggle with transfer in order to achieve a closed/wet coat.. Over a wet bed of DBC500 blender, It also struggled with the blending as well as having to work it a little bit extra in order to execute the effect/orientation coat...... The gun just felt like it would do better for clear . Again it was a process to work the gun with tight 75% overlapping done at 6" above the surface. Follow up 2nd coat of clear was done in the same manner at 6" & overlap ONLY at a slower speed.... I did get a passable finish from it that an Insurance company wouldn't complain about paying for but it is a slow gun when compared to My Sata 4000 & 5000s that are my Go to's for metallics & I Clear with the Super Nova as well.... I was also doing a blend on A 2018 F150 RR tricoat color & I had ZERO confidence to attempt to use the Black Widow on that but, I might have used it to apply the ruby tinted midcoat of DC400 - if that says anything..................
I will say that compared to my Devilbiss prolite and Devilbiss plus the widow does struggle a bit to put it on wet in comparison to my higher end guns, takes an extra pass or two with the widow, it also seems to do better with medium solids clear than high solids clear in my opinion , perhaps a little reducer might help in getting the clear to flow out better. As far as metallics go it does ok I wouldn’t say it’s the best for metallics but again it’s really not designed for metallic base. I Agree with ya on the i pattern similar to the sata nice narrow elongated pattern. I have yet to compare it side by side to a genuine sata but in my opinion in the price point that it’s in most garage painters and diyers like myself , will find it well suited enough to achieve a half decent garage paint job. 🤙🏻
Thanks for this review...that was enough 👍
Hey bro I just want to say man you taught me a whole lot man I've been looking through video through video through video trying to find everything you taught me in 15 16 minutes thank you man you're a hell of a teacher you are the type of person I want to learn from so please let me know I subscribe to you anytime you're painting anything I would love to learn more from you bro you are totally F - in awesome 😎👍
Thank you so much I appreciate the kind words, more to come hopefully I can provide more info in future videos
Thank you! finailly someone broke it down for us.
When I started painting, HVLP was just starting.. the old guys training me used to use Devilbiss JG8 conventional siphon feed. My first gun which I still use today was a SATA jet nr95. It's next to impossible to get a rebuild kit and I'm thinking there is better out there. Although I am here because I just bought an HTE. Had no idea what that means.
Thanks for the video
Well explained. Keep the great vids coming
Thanks player , will do 🙏🏻
Thank you for this video. I’m naturally inert and struggled finding this information simplified for understanding. But you did a helluva job.
As I mentioned in your other video, I've sprayed everything with the 1.3 HTE and it did great. I'm talking about everything from primer to candy with micro flake and clear!! You're pushing it with the micro flake but she did not clog up at all!
I can tell you all that if you are a hobbyist, or weekend warrior and dont have a massive shop compressor, you wont be happy with an HVLP gun! It means high volume low pressure. You have to have a massive amount of air volume to atomize the paint correctly at the tip. You wont achieve that with most home compressors. Being in a shop environment, you can clear out a panel with HVLP gun and get great results, because of the massive amount of air volume running our shop. Very different going from booth to a garage. You really have to get your technique down and adjust on the fly, even with the same gun!
Also, we dont have to be HVLP compliant, we just have to be compliant. Meaning transfer efficiency over a certain threshold. HVLP guns are "compliant" but other guns dont have to meet those exact numbers. Just have to be within a certain percentage to be "compliant".
Alot of technical terms and mumbo jumbo!! Lol
Good vids man. Keep it up!
@@sunnydayys4917
Thats the exact comment i hear constantly! Needing lots of air has nothing to do with pressure. Its about volume! HVLP needs high volumes of air, capacity wise,not pressures. Its kist the design of the guns. The guns that use to run around 50psi were not HVLP.
@@sunnydayys4917
Im in Canada aswell! I dont apply my base with an HVLP, but the transfer efficiency is probably just as good.
Conventional is not the devil.. not sure why many don't understand that there's several conventional guns that don't require high pressure. In fact, they can be ran with a small compressor. LVLP is a horse of another color.. they'll do the same but don't put out enough paint to go past panel work. The EPA simply got it wrong, but I suppose there's an ulterior motive behind the push towards HVLP.... like trying to hinder the DIYer
Great video brother and thank you for sharing it and I just bought an HTE gun at harbor freight and wanted to know the main differences between that and my HVLP guns abd you answered ALL of my questions! 👍
I think the momma spray gun was cheating on the daddy spray gun because the baby spray gun came out black.
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Lmmfao hahahaha
Dayum. 😂
not too long at all, excellent info had my full attention full video. just picked up that black widow hte so its cool seein it there
in light of your post, you might be interested in his other video where he takes the black widow a part and reviews it (in case you haven't found it yet, here is the link): th-cam.com/video/usFJ4bSwNyg/w-d-xo.html
Have you used the Black widow yet Nick? What do you think of it?
@@fuzzymoto896 I havn't gotten a chance to use it yet unfortunately
Great job man, thanks for all the knowledge!
Hi! I just wanted to thank you for the run-down on the new guns. The last time I painted anything there were only the standard siphon-feed guns Now from what you have said I'm gonna purchase an HVLP and an HTE. The one question I have for you is which gun would be best to use for rubberized undercoating? Maybe that can be your next Video. Thanks for the information on the new guns!
They specialized guns for rubberized costing
I used to paint cars as a hobbyist with good results. I used to use a knockoff Bink's Model 7 but the last time I painted with it, I used fisheye eliminator. I was told once I used the stuff the gun was contaminated, and I'd need the fisheye eliminator to use the gun from there on.
I haven't painted a car in at least 20 years and was planning on using a new Devilbiss Finish Line HVLP gun or a new AEROPRO HVLP SPRAY GUN G6600 HVLP gun! I also have a Bink's 2001 siphon feed gun with an agitator cup that is new but has been in storage since the 1980's. I'm going to spray my Cutlass 442 in NOS PPG Duracryl-Acrylic lacquer Viking Blue metallic topped with High Performance Clear like I used to. Some on forums say that HTLV won't do a good job on metallics. One comment says that the Model 7 isn't contaminated. Not sure what to do. Every comment gets this old man more confused....LOL! I was wondering about using one of the HTLV guns for the color and then get a black widow for the clear. All I want is to get this one last car done and that's it. I do like that the HTLV and HTE guns will create less fog in the air.
I do like the way you present things on your channel. I just don't have the confidence that I did as a young man.
a auto refinisher can use either of them and get Good results, I have been for 48 years my preference its a HTE for clears 2k & Acrylics next HVLP for 2k base and colours Acrylics and all primers my hobby is making guitars when I'm not painting cars where i use a bit of nitrocellulose which i use HVLP and I only use either Iwata and DeVilbiss guns, my most expensive guns are HTE and I keep for only clears I'm not a SATA fan I have about 25-30 guns and as many I use for parts, good vlog you covered most things
Conventional paintguns are the shit but there is lots of waste like you explained, well researched video.
Lol agreed, thanks for the kind words
I understand air flow is a key factor, not just PSI. Air flow is measured in CFM and typically HVLP require minimum 14 CFM at the gun, remembering there are losses in flow between the compressor tank and the gun. CFM (FAD) is generally third less than CFM (Displacement), if your air compressor is advertised as 10 CFM (displacement), the Free Air Delivery (FAD) is probably around 6.6 CFM. FAD is "free air delivery" and is the volume of air actually discharged. So my 14 CFM compressor will never be better than 9-10 FAD at the gun and that regulator valves, hoses, water separators and their fittings all need to be high CFM rated. For example I changed my 8mm or 1/4” hose to 3/8” or 10mm and with high flow fittings. I also changed the separator to 110 CFM at 60 PSI to ensure it wasn’t choking the air CFM delivery. I even removed the little pressure gauge at the gun and only rely on the gauge at the tank. So many variables to consider that matching gun spec to your system CFM is paramount. Hope that helps.
The acronyms refer to air. High volume ( 12-18 CFM) while at low pressure 10:30 and those usually reach for no more than 20 psi. Compliant/HTE maintain relatively decent CFM numbers that are much lower than HVLP (8-12 CFM) while using more pressure (18-32 psi). LVLP of course are usually lower across the board, but at a cost of smaller fans and less fluid output...meaning a much slower gun. As far as cap pressures... HVLP & Compliant/HTE generally have similiar cap pressures but arrive at it in different ways which does make a difference. I beg to differ though on the latter not being good at metallics. The cap prsssure doesnt really determine that. The design in fan shape and atomization have more to do with that and theres several compliant gun examples that perform well on metallic base
fantastic and I now might be able to use my smaller double tank air compressor that I used when I was roofing.
Thanks for the clarification. I have used a Sata hvlp for years for both base and clearcoat. I am going to get a black widow HTE and try it with the clearcoat
It’s quite a bit slower than the original Sata, and also I have not gave HS clearcoat a try with it, only MS clears
Thanks for the clarification on the different types.
Best explanation yet
there's a 4th type of spray gun LVLP, low volume low pressure guns work good for the hobbyist which usually have smaller compressors that can't sustain the air volume needed by HVLP guns!!!
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Nicely done man!! Thx for such well done info!
Hi good job I learned a lot from you I use I open my channel watching you 👍👍👍👍
Between HVLP, LVLP, LVMP, Conventional, and HTE which is best to spray thicker material without excessive thinning?
HVLP with a larger needle like 1.8 or 2.0 for really thick stuff
Thanks for the info about a hvlp and now I wish I had a hte next one for sure👍
I really appreciate this information. Thank you for helping us.
As a newbie this is great information
Very informative and useful thank you man
folowing up. So the HTE style would be best for 2k clear? and sinc e your video I see Black widow has changed the gun and added 2 airbrushes and a portable silent compressor.
How is the same gun both in HTE and HVLP different? Is it in the pin and orifice? for example I have a Harbor Freight Black Widow which is HVLP. Would changing the pin and orifice with jet assembly make it an HTE gun then? I am getting ready to order a different orifice size end cap is why my question here.. Where exactly is the difference occuring between the two?
There are cap difference but also internal machined gun body changes too which cannot be changed. Also the hvlp cap will not interchange between hvlp and hte on that gun
@@Mechaniclyfe Do you know of any specifications or documenation related to differences in HTE and HVLP methodologies? I am seeing the HVLP as a regulatory label where HTE as an alternative but not regulated.. Are they two completing regulatory certs or something? I am trying to get a grasp on what these two actually mean and relate to.. My fear is that is just governmental mumbo-jumbo...
TO EACH THIER OWN....I BOUGHT A BINKS #7 BACK IN THE 70's AND I'm STILL USE'n IT TO DAY..I GET THE SAME RESULTS WITH IT AS I DO WITH MY SATA & DeVILBISS GRAVITY GUNS ......JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SET E'm UP.
Ive got a #7 also, I still like it!
That was helpful. I been using cheapo hvlp guns and the overspray is pretty ridiculous. Would like to try an hte someday
Some of those hvlp guns aren’t actually hvlp complaint that’s why many pros don’t buy them cause they won’t pass epa regulations
Thank u for the vid, I am new to this can I use an hte gun to paint cabinets, if yes, which size tips do I need for primer, paint ,and clear coats
That's a really good question. I am thinking of refinishing my cabinets.
I've painted Automotive since the 90s.
I would think that there is a gun out there with a big tip 1.7-2.5 because of the fact that interior home paints seem to be thicker.
That's just a guess I'm sure the guy that made this video would know way more than me or a guy who paints kitchen cabinets🤷♂️
PS I replied to your, to get nudge the Creator maybe he will respond LOL
Very nice job, very good presentation, great info.
Yeah man. Good info there. That was a real comprehensive break down of the knowledge of wich guns are premient to each function. Thanks and be easy bro!!!
Good vid, thank you! What about HVLP using a turbine instead of compressor?
Why use hvlp for base coat if it leaves orange peel? I am a DIY and I plan on painting my 1990 ZR-1, I have a conventional spray gun and have painted a car and it turned out good. If you were in my position which gun would you use?
I don't know how to deal with orange peel, so I need to get the smoothest finish I can. Thanks for the info, giant help to me. 👍👍
Hvlp leaves less overspray, faster color coverage but struggles with finishing do to smaller air compressor air volume. It needs a high amount of air flow to work efficiently
Great video I learned a lot 😊
Much appreciated, thank you.
Just bought my first gun today and thank god it’s an HTE😂 didn’t even know what I was buying
HTE for the win
So the HTE would be best for 2k clear coats?
Great video you explain so people understand. I have one question I just bought a Chinese knock off gun to use at our farm it’s a green 1000 pro DeWabiss what can you tell me about this gun it’s made by Weta in China it has a 1.3 tip and they brag about it’s good to atomization what did they copy it from is it a hybrid between Sata and a DeVilbiss. Please help me out I think you’re pretty good on Judging paint guns what is this gun good for paining clear primer base sealer?
I’ve purchased two sprayguns from dewabiss , and both seemed to have decent quality features, in some cases however they seemed to be poor quality control on the air cap, a few defective air caps . It’s really a hit or miss with these sprayguns unfortunately , but both sprayguns conclusively sprayed decent enough to achieve a good finish, which I was rather surprised with .
Good info! Get the like up ppl
These EPA rules are very stringent. If you want to look it up you’d need to read the National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP). He is 100% correct on the diy painters not being regulated by the EPA but you need to check out your state and local rules as well, some of them are more restrictive than the EPA.
Ya getting into detail about this is like opening up a can of worms 🐛, thanks for the comment 🤙🏻
@@Mechaniclyfe exactly they have laws for laws 🤮
Nice explanation video 👍🏾
Thanks player 🙏🏻
I use the black widow Hte and im getting some really nice paint jobs done using it pretty happy with it considering it sprays just as good as my sata 5k lol
Awesome, black widow is a really good gun , how does it compare to your 5k?
Well, the Black Widows, and other similiar guns, are knockoffs of the Sata design
Just A Mechanic sprays just a good if u know what ur doing and have some experience
Are you using it for base to,or just ckear?
What about LVLP..?
To me there all the same . The key to any paint job is your body work. Let’s say I do a some mediocre bodywork and use a $800 gun . How do you think my Paint job is going to look?. Then I do super beautiful body work and I use a $30 gun. How do you think my paint jobs going to look?
Aren't these both black window guns? What's the difference?
You got down with this video. Thanks.
Very informative, thanks!
You left out LVLP, which is what most DIY guys should be buying. High volume has abdolutely nothing to do with the volume of material, it is refering to it using a large volume of air. They orange peel easier because higher pressure atomizes better. HVLP is fine if you have an industrial compressor, they absolutely suck if you have a 20 gallon in your garage
Your right in the aspect that by definition high volume low pressure has to do with air volume, but that air volume directly effect the amount of material that comes out , hvlp compliance has to do with a certain amount of paint volume hitting the panel , to be hvlp compliant it must be 65 percent or higher of material transferring to such substrate being sprayed.
@@Mechaniclyfe yes, that doesn't mean it applys more finish though, it means there is less overspray. They achieve this by not atomizing as well and having less velocity of material hitting the pannel. Do a test with thinners, full fan, wide open fluid tip, same air pressure. They will both empty the cup in about the same time
Ur awesome do more painting videos im a beginner but i dont want to go over 400 for a air compressor and gun what do you think i should get
Another option for you would be, a Fuji semi pro turbine sprayer . Complete unit
Fuji 2203G Semi-PRO 2 - Gravity HVLP Spray System, Blue www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4NPPQY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_hY92Eb35FDKXA
If you’re painting a whole car you need at least a 60 gallon compressor, cheapest 60 gallon compressor I’ve seen is a craftsman for $1000, a HTE spectrum gun at Harbor freight is between $125 and $150 and that’s just for a middle of the road gun.
Ok so ill buy black widow hte for clearcoat and black widow hvlp for base 👍
Just get an HTE honestly it’ll be all you need
Thanks so much nice to understand
What about vs LVLP?
Thanks for your videos. You do them very well. What do you recommend for suction feed spray guns. I use a lot of guns. But I often have to spray naked car underbodys over my head and so I want to get one.
moeru1994 if you can find a Binks number 7 I would recommend that one
Nice Information thanks
Brilliant video
Excellent video, ty.
Great explanations on the differences between the guns...... I personally like the HTE guns over the HVLPs when it comes to a flatter glass like finish..... Air caps te10 te20
I like the te20 but I wouldn’t mind trying the te10 just looking for a good deal on one lol
Where is lvlp ???
where did you find the aircap selection at?
RP is not conventional it stands for Reduced Pressure same as HTE which are known as Compliant guns different manufacturers terms for the same thing , you have no real understanding of these terms
Yes correct Rp is essentially an HTE , I believe i mentioned that in the video, I mentioned that I was using an RP spraygun in place of a conventional spraygun because I didn’t have a conventional spray gun to show at the time of the video. Hope that clears up any misunderstandings
Awesome video
you need 2 guns for sure hvlp for primers & metalic candies & hte for the clear.. gotcha mang.. good 411
What do you think of the spectrum HTE that they have out now? looks just like the spectrum HVLP
HTE SPECTRUM IS GOOD I HAVE IT FOR CLEAR
HVLP= HIGH VOLUME (of air) LOW PRESSURE..! The gun takes a lot of AIR, (bigger or more holes in air cap) Volume= air (consumption). 😉(You can always adjust fluid knob)
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That's the first thing that came to my mind. It has nothing to do with the volume of paint, it's the volume of air. In fact, there's plenty of conventional guns that don't require a ton of pressure. Several can work as low as 20psi.
Thanks. I was thinking it was high volume of paint and low pressure.
What about lvlp and lvmp
Ty
No worries
Ty Bro,,, good info
Hey thx for the clarity . I watched for the second time. Or 3rd great stuff.. Do they know sell larger tips 2.o for hte?.. was hoping to shoot my high build primer & clear all with one gun.. if not guess ill get 2 BLACK WIDOWS.. ( HVLP & HTE)
Not sure , the harbor freight website might have more info on tip sizes
@@Mechaniclyfe appreciate cha 🙏 brutha
I have to do a Tri coat ceramic pearl on a navigator. Do you recommend getting two guns ? Or what should I use ? Thanks
Two guns isn’t needed you could get away with just one but , do make sure you clean out all pearls mica before going to the next coating or different jobs
@@Mechaniclyfe think the HTE would be better than the HVLP ? I’m buying a spectrum from harbor
@flightmedic7169 yes hte is better over all
@@Mechaniclyfe thanks
So basically smaller droplets for HTE.
There is also the LVLP spray gun.
What about cabinet finish
Where does LVLP come in
Lvlp are generally more for small air compressors, these guns require much less cfm then the others, smaller fan pattern , less material usage and a bit slower gun but like I said good for small air compressors and at home spraying
@@Mechaniclyfe I was going ask the same question, yes they are advertised for people needing lower air demands like the home gamer with a smaller compressor, and I'd imagine that they are still required to get the 65% transfer efficiency in the USA, but do they spray closer to an HVLP or HTE?
BTW, this is the best video that I've seen on the topic yet.
would the HTE be a bad gun to shoot epoxy primer (sealer) with?
Depends on the recommended tip size for the epoxy primer but in general it should be fine.
HTE with a 1.7 tip will work better with metalics and judt all around work better.
Hey thanks for the info! I work at a bodyshop, only have a few months experience, and I'm about to buy my first gun. Since I'll only have one for a bit, I'm looking for something that will spray sealer, base, And clear if possible. I have about a few hundred to spend. What would you recommend?
Flg5 based in your budget
Alright I'll check it out! Thanks! 👍
Can I take the tip from tye hvlp and put it on my hte spectrum professional
No it’s different
What about lvlp
Youve omitted the most important type LVLP low volume low pressureThe majority of compressors in the world are 4 to 8 CFM
Sorry 😐
Hey got a quick question how much air pressure would u use on the black widow I'm using 30 psi and getting a lil orange peel
28-31 psi is the range I spray at with the widow. How thick is the paint?
@@Mechaniclyfe it's a high soilds clear coat from summit racing there brand
reduce the clear 10%, the widow struggles a bit with high solids clear,
@@Mechaniclyfe thanks
Reducing your clear lowers the UV protection so keep that in mind
Young man to me I use a gravity fed gun.. But I see the pressure t spray a good lay down.. Alli you have to do is have skills, I am sure..
Bravo
Can you use the HTE for primer?
Depends on the primers thickness really. I would say good for primer sealer if using the 1.3
Thanks, great video. I went out and purchased a 1.3 HTE and a 1.7 HVLP for my restoration project going from Metal to clear. I think I’ll need a gun with a 2.0 or greater to spray a high build primer, is that the case? If so, which sub $75 gun do you recommend for spraying high build?
Not in all cases , you could reduce the primer a bit to make it easier to spray out , 1.7 tip or a larger tip would be a good idea
@@Mechaniclyfe Thanks!
There are some decent guns through Autobody Supermarket that have a 2.5 tip, but that's real big and something I'd typically use for a spray poly instead of a typical primer. Cheap too, around 60-80 bucks. I've put primer through the 1.7 help without an issue, and in fact, I recently had a buddy who is a very high end painter suggest spraying my primer mixed as a sealer through my base gun 1.3. It worked great.
@@57Joe thanks
@@57Joe was going to prime before base coat and only have the hte. Is the sealer primer something I can do with that? Instead of just primer? Thank you!
So is HTE the same thing as LVLP? Or Sata's RP?
Sata rp is an HTE with reduced pressure , but still has a cap pressure higher than 10psi
Compare lvlp with Hte
So what is best HTE, HVLP or Lvlp.
All depends on your circumstance. Hte for finishing , hvlp for some bases and primers, LVLP for low volume compressors
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