Did Woody Allen Do It? (2021 Rerun)
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- [rerun] Dr. Kirk and Humberto review the documentary Allen v Farrow.
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April 21, 2021
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I was paternal. She responded to someone paternal. I liked her youth and energy. She deferred to me, and I was happy to give her an enormous amount of decision-making just as a gift and let her take charge of so many things. She flourished. ---- creepy Woody about his wife
@@mcouzijn it's not the paternal part that is creepy. It's him 'allowing' her to make decisions, etc. That's f-ed up.
@@mcouzijn [Thou] doth protest too much, methinks.
@@mcouzijn whoa , I did not accuse him of being anything but creepy. And, I stand by the creepy thing. Dude is creepy.
@@tmtb80 I hope people understand this is a real quote. Woody actually said these things in an interview
Woody met Soon-Yi when she was what, 10, and immediately *gets with her* when she became of age. That is a textbook groomer. If the law allowed these kind of men to go younger, they would. Yeah I think he did it. He’s a big reason they call it Holly-weird.
They mentioned it in the documentary how Mia was asking Dylan leading questions, but she didn’t take the bait and gave her own details. That told me she was NOT coached.
Woody had his moment in court to prove Mia coached her, and failed.
@@mcouzijn ok, so he made his move when she became of age or college age. Pardon my typo. It’s still predatory. Screwing instead of marrying doesn’t win your argument. I don’t ignore or deny anything. I just live in the real world while y’all think everything is hunky dory & your heroes are incapable of doing something wrong. I remember being a kid hearing this story and thinking it was messed up, leaving your wife for your adopted daughter, and I assumed they had just brought home a much older adopted child until I read about it years later that she was much younger when they met. Y’all are “it’s ok, it was legal. He wanted nothing to do with her until she was went off to college.” Do u hear yourself? Stay woke and pray on this or whatever
If a man had a friend he saw him and his family twice a year for holidays, they’re practically family, and that tradition started when his daughter was 10, if the man says when she turns 20 he fell in love with her, tell me you wouldn’t have more questions and just jump to “it’s legal, who cares, not like he raised her.”
@@mcouzijnl were you there behind closed doors? You believe everything you read and that’s all the details? Most of your details are irrelevant. Stop cherry picking like your his biography author. No one cares about custody lol. Btw a pedo isn’t exactly going to be forthcoming on when he fell in love
Woody failed to prove in court Mia coached her. And I wasn’t convinced either by what was presented.
I believe Dylan. It’s funny you won’t even mention her.
Stay classy, perv.
@eboston7591 he regularly made breakfast for those kids. He watched that kid grow up. It doesn’t make a difference. Stop with the semantics. Watch the documentary. Bell hop at Woody’s place said she started visiting while she was still in high school. You’re taking them at their word their affair started when it was legal, and therefore was a beautiful love story. Also recorded phone calls show Soon-Yi started lying about her age immediately. You don’t reach full brain development until 25. It’s still predatory.
@eboston7591 pursuing a super senior in high school is still predatory 😂 wtf does she know about the real world!?!? Again with the semantics, caring only about numbers, jfc. Don’t expect a pedo to be outgoing about when he precisely took interest. The reoccurring themes of his movies being involved with young girls, including 17-yr olds, plus the notes they dived into with attractive 16-yr olds, and the fact she’s on audio lying about her age… it’s all there.
Watch the documentary. They had enough to charge him for Dylan, didn’t prove in custody court she was coached, in fact, judge concluded his behavior was inappropriate. Or you can just continue to appreciate the “love story.” You do you.
Coming from someone who is as proceed-with-caution as they coming - 8 out of the last 10 accusations of abuse I have come across were proven to be false or fell apart. This isn’t one of them. More Mia’s, less Woody’s ✊pun intended
@eboston7591 I keep forgetting there’s also that woman that spoke in the documentary that said she had a relationship with Woody when she was 16 and was the inspiration for Manhattan. So there’s that.
Also the entertainment business was/is set up for these power imbalances and is the perfect place for these predators to exploit as many people as they wanted with no repercussions.
@@mcouzijn is Woody trolling the comments
their case*
You really should look into the other side of the story - the doc presents Mia's case and does not tell Woody's side.
The side where he takes nude photos of his girlfriends daughter?
@@JP-sf5er The side where he was wrongly accused of sexual abuse.
I side with Humberto on this one. If it was me in this situation I would want both. I would want people to believe me and I also wouldn’t want them to support the person who SAd me by watching their films, listening to their music, etc. Continuing to watch/listen to these very problematic figures who I believe are guilty would be saying to their alleged survivors, “I believe you, but I am going to continue to financially support this person who I very much believe did these atrocious things to you.”
I think that`s a very one-sided perspective.
As Dr. Kirk described people have a very personal realtionship to these films that has to do with Woody Allen as an artist, but a lot more with their own life and their own memories.
I don`t think all this has to be thrown away to signal that you believe Dylan. You can very much believe her and be on her side and still not throw out all your memories and connections the films had to your own life. There is room for both these things to exist at the same time.
I mean if it`s about the financial support for you if he watched the movies years and decades ago he has them on hard drives and will never have to spent a cent to watch them again and that will be the case for the vast majority of people.
What should change in my opininion is the fact that Woody Allen is still revered and has a lot of pull in Hollywood right now. I think he should be pushed of his throne for the future. (Also I never liked his movies and just want the production money to go to better stories, but that`s a me-thing)
As a teenager I remember deciding on not to watch Woody Allan’s movies because the one I had seen had rubbed me the wrong way. I think the way women were portrayed and the way they were sexualised didn’t feel real to me and I felt that woody was creepy and the way he portrait women was hmm like an old creepy man wants young women to be. I never knew anything about the Dylan case.
@@KPK75772 Manhattan. During that movie Mariel Hemingway accused Woody of trying to sleep with her. Mariel was 16 when the movie was filmed and Allen was 44. Just sayin.
@@KPK75772 In here own words from Vanity Fair interview.
Hemingway claims that Allen attempted to lure her to Paris once she turned 18-two years after she had filmed Manhattan. “Our relationship was platonic, but I started to see that he had a kind of crush on me, though I dismissed it as the kind of thing that seemed to happen any time middle-aged men got around young women,” writes Hemingway. The actress suggests that Allen attempted to act upon the crush by flying to her parents’ home in Idaho and inviting the teen to Europe. According to an excerpt obtained by Fox News, the actress cautioned her parents “that I didn’t know what the [sleeping] arrangement was going to be [in Paris], that I wasn’t sure if I was even going to have my own room. Woody hadn’t said that. He hadn’t even hinted it. But I wanted them to put their foot down. They didn’t. They kept lightly encouraging me.”
Hemingway says that she woke up at night with the realization that “[n]o one was going to get their own room. His plan, such as it was, involved being with me.” She says that she went into his guest room and woke him up asking, “I’m not going to get my own room, am I? I can’t go to Paris with you.”
If this stuff doesn't creep you out about Allen then I do not know what to say.
Woody Allen is so gross. I feel sorry for anybody married to him regardless of age.
Could you stop calling it a documentary? That implies there was an unbiased representation of facts when, in fact, it was a one-sided hit piece that conveniently left out all the evidence that supported Woody Allen's claim of innocence. I find doctors on TH-cam to be hacks, so I'm not expecting any expert commentary here, but you've never met or interviewed Allen so you are in no position to analyze his behavior, especially when you haven't bothered to review the sworn statements of his therapist who said Allen did not have sexual feelings for Dylan-he was a Helicopter parent by today's vernacular. You also aren't aware that Allen passed a polygraph (Mia refused to take one) and was evaluated by Yale-New Haven to determine if he had pedophilic tendencies, and he did not. I am so sick and tired of people repeatedly getting the facts wrong. The facts matter!!!!! He wasn't charged with a crime because he wasn't guilty. Look at the sworn statements by witnesses and experts! The people who think he's guilty have been gaslighted.
Reasonable people can agree to disagree.
Many documentaries explore subjects about which people may have very strong feelings. This particular series chose to focus on Dylan’s allegations. Another documentarian could choose to concentrate on some other aspect of the situation.
It is , I suppose, possible to admire Woody Allen as a remarkable film maker and for his personality and humor. And yet one still may have very grave concerns about what may have happened with his adopted, very young daughter Dylan.
I had a strong gut reaction to the child Dylan’s recollection of what her father did to her. I believe her fully and feel that the rest of the documentary supported what she said.
The prosecutor found credible evidence to proceed to trial. He made the decision not to proceed because it would have further traumatized Dylan.
@gloriamontgomery6900 The prosecutor is Frank Maco; the Connecticut Bar Association sanctioned him for making that statement to the press. When he repeated it on the HBO show, didn't you find it curious that he never said what that evidence was? Wouldn't the "docuseries" be the place to share this evidence? He could have prosecuted Allen without Dylan taking the stand if he had evidence. The case was lost once the Yale-New Haven team made their findings. Maco knew that then and knows it now. The activists/filmmakers are gaslighting people who are too lazy to do the research.
There is sworn testimony from the custody case that contradicts Dylan's recollection and exonerates Woody Allen. You can find it in the documentary "By The Way Woody Allen is Innocent" by Rick Worley. "Proving Woody Allen is INNOCENT. (New Investigation)" by BostWiki, You should also read Moses Farrow's blog, Soon-Yi's interview in Vulture, and anything by Robert Weide--he's an award-winning director, documentary filmmaker, Woody Allen historian, and expert on this case. "The Mortal Coil--Ronan Farrow" would be a great place to start.
BTW, My reaction isn't about validating my feelings; it's about an innocent man being persecuted for a crime he didn't commit. Even if Allen were guilty, I would still watch his films; I still watch films Harvey Weinstein produced, and I'm sure you do too..
I believe Dylan Farrow.
@@mcouzijnwill you give it a break and let people share what they believe in this instance? You already stated your piece all over the comments section. I am sure Woody Allen has many other vigorous defenders out there. We weren’t there and unless you are Woody or Dylan, neither were you.
@@mcouzijn Luckily her brother Ronan and her mother support her. She deserves 100 prosent support, but in this world we are living in, that is never the case.
@@mcouzijn I don´t have any power in this case. All I can do is to say that I believe her. It isnt much... But we can all try to evolve to understand what is lies and what is truth.
@@mcouzijn I have heard Dylans story and it rings true to me. I don´t care about experts. I don´t think Dylan said that anyone witnessed the crime. So no witness exists. At least not to the most horrible act. But you can believe what you believe.
@@mcouzijnwhat a sad, depressing mindset.
The fact there's people justifying or waving away his marriage anyway 💀 regardless of whether they believe Dylan's claims -- the fact aside is he married someone he knew since she was 10 and he was 45 at the time they met. Then got together wheh legal. Legal doesn't always automatically equal ok it's a poor standard for ethics when used alone. It also use to be legal around then to secually assault your spouse, never made it right. So he's gross regardless. There's people I knew when they were minors when I was already an adult at the time (friend's kids, students, etc). I'm not now looking at them as marriage material just cuz now that they're 18 💀
Woody and Soon -Yi have been married for over twenty five years and have two well adjusted children that have had nothing bad to say about their parents. What's so bad about that? Anyway, whatever you think about his relationship with Soon-Yi, that has nothing to do with the allegations from Dylan.
@@KPK75772interesting that you side with the marriage being ok, yes, makes me wonder if you are a p3dof…
"Consent-based morality" always turns the civilization who embraces such a destructive philosophy into a dumpsterfire.
Moreover, just because someone "consents" like in the case of Sooni, doesn't make it moral or justifiable.
"Allen didn’t escape trial because Connecticut lacked evidence to charge him; Allen escaped trial because the state prosecutor feared for the victim. As a prosecutor, Maco felt he had 'probable cause' to charge Allen." Published in New Yotk Magazine's The Cut February, 22, 2021.
If he had probable cause,he would have brought charges, the reason he didn't bring changes was because he knew that he would lose. That business of not wanting to re traumatize Dylan is just a BS excuse.
@@davidsheriff9274 Depends on what Dylan and her mum were saying regarding her ability to withstand a trial. This was a case where conviction couldn’t be secured without her testimony. That said, it was probably his political friends and his lawyers that influenced the decision.
The Connecticut Bar Association sanctioned Maco for making that false statement. By the way, a Prosecutor can go forward with a criminal trial without a victim taking the stand. All he needs is evidence. HE HAD NO EVIDENCE!! No DNA, fingerprints, or clothing fibers to prove Allen was in the closet/crawlspace. The team of medical experts that he hired said there was no evidence of abuse after interviewing Dylan 9 times. The report states that they found her account rehearsed and inconsistent and the accusation meritless.
Maco delayed submitting the findings of his investigation to Judge Wilks, who was presiding over the custody trial, to help Mia because the evidence exonerated Allen. Let's not forget that Allen passed a polygraph (Mia refused to take one) and a psych evaluation. The Children's private therapist said Allen did not exhibit signs of pedophilia and did not have sexual feelings toward Dylan--he was what is now termed a helicopter parent. Mia likes to say Woody was in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" to imply something sexual, but the court transcripts prove that was not the case. Judge Wilks, who hated Woody Allen, said that Dylan would benefit from having a relationship with Allen in the future. If he believed abuse happened, he would never have suggested that. These are not opinions or feelings; these are documented facts.
When Mia Farrow's attorney was on Charlie Rose, and he pressed her, she said she wasn't sure if Allen did what Mia accused him of, proving that Maco's "evidence" couldn't even convince her. In the 1990s, when this was front page news, it was apparent to everyone involved that Dylan, who was in therapy for not being able to distinguish reality from fantasy, was under tremendous stress due to the contentiousness between her parents, and this made her particularly vulnerable to Mia's manipulation. Dylan's brother Moses, who was 14 at the time, disclosed that for eight months, their mother had fits of rage over Allen and told the children he was satan and evil; she also exposed them to graphic details and images of Woody and Soon-Yi's relationship. Ronan, at four years old, went around telling people, "My dad is f*cking my sister." Implanting this kind of imagery in a vulnerable child's mind is gaslighting.
Mia's own expert in the custody trial discredited the famous videotape shared in the HBO show because of Mia's "leading questions." A nanny gave sworn testimony that Mia followed Dylan around for two days, trying to get her to accuse Allen of touching her. That nanny also quit her job because Mia pressured her to lie about Woody. Experts in the field of video testified that the tape was heavily edited. Moses also confirmed that Dylan received a new doll when she told the pediatrician Woody touched her; it was her second attempt to get the words right.
Mia Farrow was the kind of mother who would do something like this. She was physically and mentally abusive to her adopted children. Moses tells of being forced to strip naked in front of his siblings as punishment for cutting belt loops off his pants. Soon-Yi said as a child just learning English, Mia would throw letter blocks at her when she got something wrong. Sworn testimony by a housekeeper in the custody hearing also confirms physical abuse. An assistant of Woody Allen's went to Mia's home to bring her something and thought Lark was the housekeeper because of how Mia treated her. Lark became estranged from Mia and ultimately died of AIDS. This is one of three children to cut ties with their mother in early adulthood, and two others committed suicide. Mia lied about the cause of Tam's death twice and attributed Thaddeous' suicide to being jilted. Moses said Thaddeus died a few miles from Mia's home after a fight with her. He also said Mia locked Thaddeus in an outdoor shed overnight as punishment when he was a child. Upon learning about Soon-Yi's and Woody's affair, Mia beats Soon-Yi with a telephone. (In an interview with Daphne Merkin for Vulture, the interview was edited to say it was a hairbrush due to pressure from Ronan Farrow. Ronan Farrow also insisted that the interview, written as a cover story, be relegated to an inside feature to silence Soon-Yi.) (Merkin discusses it on a Vlog on TH-cam)
It's ironic that an HBO program that professes to be about giving victims of sexual abuse a platform features a segment in which Matthew Previn's college girlfriend, Priscilla Gilman, goes into explicit detail about Soon-Yi's nude photos, which confirms that these deeply personal and intimate images that Mia stole from Allen's apartment where passed around amongst the Farrows and their friends. Mia used a photocopy of one photo to adorn the handle of a knife used in a rather demonic Valentine's Day card she gifted to Allen a month after she stole the photos. The same photocopy image also appeared on the front pages of New York newspapers. Distributing nude photos of someone without their consent is a sex crime. For anyone who feels compelled to attack a sexual predator, I suggest you start with Mia Farrow. If I piqued your curiosity about the case and you want to learn more, Rick Worley has done a great job documenting it in a two-hour documentary titled 'By The Way, Woody Allen Is Innocent." it includes citations to all evidence.
He did... Used to be a fan of his movies and short stories. It's absolutely disgusting how you can get away with rape, assault and ruining people's lives if you are a celebrity and/or rich.
Also so scray to see how many apologists they have and how many people defend them. Makes you think if those people are sexual predators as well?!
I think some of them are predatory themselves but I think most of them are in denial and/or refuse to accept that it's true because it will taint their love of their art and they don't want to give it up.. so they protect them so they can feel good about liking them.. which is very selfish.
@@mcouzijn It's funny that I said I think SOME of them are predators as well, and yet you still put Yourself in that category? Wow
@@mcouzijnvery interesting that you weren’t tagged, yet you got defensive.
@@mcouzijn again, you were not tagged at all. Very defensive indeed.
@@mcouzijn reading your comments all over here, yes I absolutely do wonder why you are defensive so much?! Don't care to "shine" in the eyes of you or any other apologists!
You're welcome.
I believe Dylan. What was very disappointing was Dr. Grande not believing her. It would be interesting to see you react to him, if possible. I unfollowed him promptly after.
His relationship with his step daughter is the biggest evidence against him.
@eboston7591 oh yeah, that’s very convenient- to be “father figure-like” but not quite, so as to eventually get away with grooming in a technicality. Guess you wouldn’t mind any of your friends grooming your kids 🤷🏾♀️
Or them waiting outside your kids’ high school just waiting for their adult birthday moment. Then it’s all legal, right?
The moral bankruptcy is astounding in this comment section.
The "biggest evidence against him" is a nothingburger. He had nothing to do with raising Soon-Yi.
Soon -Yi was not Woody Allen's step daughter, she already has an adoptive father.
I don't always believe in Dr. Grandes analysis. He is not even a physchiatrist or a phychologist he pretends to play as to get viewers.
@@jacquelinesento425he is not? I didn't know that.. So what is his doctor title stand for?
I worked in the field of child welfare for 20 years. Damn, adoption is risky, for everyone concerned. Three of her adopted kids wound up dead, one was molested, one took her old man.
The hypocrisy of Woody defenders, the whole “innocent until proven guilty,” yet they do not give Mia or Dylan the same courtesy, accusing her of coaching Dylan, especially when they went to court for that and failed to prove.
@@mcouzijn Woody wanted custody on the grounds that Mia coached her daughter to lie and defame him. He did not succeed. No one proved she was coached. The methodology was sketch and useless. Watch the documentary and stop obsessing over semantics, it’s pathetic & no one cares. I’m glad Woody’s career took a hit. Point Dylan. Bugger off and find a new obsession. I’ll trust more educated ppl’s opinions on the matter. You read and misread only what you wanna hear to defend a man that has no idea you exist.
Innocent until proven guilty is in a court of law, we can have our own options.
Soon Yi was a 21yo college student when she made the adult decision to start an affair with Allen in Fall 1991 ... Mia Farrow found out about the affair in January 1992 and began screaming at her therapist, "SOMEONE NEEDS TO STOP HIM". Farrow also wrote a note saying something like "Allen abused one daughter (meaning Soon Yi), now he's trying to move in on another daughter (meaning Dylan) and posted it on the door of a birthday party just a few weeks BEFORE the supposed molestation occurred in August 1992. It's obvious Mia was thinking about Dylan being abused. And do you know what Mia did when she supposedly found out about the molestation? Did she race Dylan to a hospital? Did she call the police? (those would have been my initial reactions) ... Nope! Not Mia! Instead she called her lawyer and spent 3 days chasing Dylan around with a video camera trying, over and over and over again to get Dylan to say Allen molested her. ... In the many decades since this ONE bogus accusation no other child, actress or human on Earth has come forward to say Allen abused them. Not even in the era of MeToo & TimesUp. Not one! ... Mia Farrow, on the other hand, has been credibly accused by at least 3 of her kids of some pretty nasty child abuse. ... Coaching Dylan is just another example of how Farrow has abused the children in her care.
That story about woody Allen was really strange.
2:05:35 Blue Jasmine is supposed to be a modern update of A Streetcar Named Desire. Still a beautifully written story, though, and an excellent ensemble piece with Cate Blanchett delivering a tour de force performance.
Kirk has discussed how he believes if you wear clothes made in sweat shops you're essentially condoning it. I think if you're watching Woody's movies and he's been paid for that it's essentially your money condoning his actions. Just my opinion.
There's some Woody Allen fan (maybe PR team, you never know online) absolutely spamming the comments arguing every point with misleading information. Yikes. I think Dr Honda's and Umberto's take on this topic was great.
Name one example of misleading information being hyped by Allen's defenders
@@FLK-BCthey don't have any examples.
@@davidsheriff9274 it's like they'd rather cower under an ideological blanket than synthesize a single, independent thought
@@FLK-BC I want that on a T-shirt.
I also thought he was weird and never liked any of his movies, just my opinion.
If you watch match point, was he trying to tell us something about all this in that movie?
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Child sexual abuse is NOT extremely rare. It’s common. It happens to boys more than you care to know. The perpetrators are often family and known persons to the family. I know it happened to me by two family members. I 💯 believe Dylan Farrow. No question
If you're a social worker in the field of child welfare and you're interviewing a kid, the second the kid mentions any suggestion of sexual abuse you stop the interview and notify law enforcement. That is your duty. The more times a kid tells a story the greater the chance of errors or mistakes.
WA had to have therapy before these allegations because his behavior with Dylan was so inappropriate. He also abused her other daughter that he later married. So yes i believe Dylan. He shoud be in a jail cell for what he did.
This is a perfect example of the Farrow's lies: Woody Allen was never in therapy for anything to do with Dylan. Ronan and Dylan were in therapy with a world renowned child psychologist named Dr Susan Coates. Mia and Woody sat in for a few sessions, and Dr Coates observed that Mia was "inappropriately intense" with Ronan and that Woody was "inappropriately intense" with Dylan.
Dr Coates would later testify on the witness stand that in her profession opinion Dylan *had not* been molested (the Farrows always skip that part because they're liars). She also clarified that the "inappropriately intense" behavior exhibited by *both* Mia and Woody was not at all sexual in nature (the Farrows always skip that part because they're liars).
She also made it clear that Woody Allen had never been a client of hers. So much for the "Woody had to have therapy" narrative.
Gentlemen, I can only say that your relationship with the various fallen heroes of the creation of great films & music is divided by before you knew what they are suspected of doing, & after you knew! I think you know what that means! You have to decide what you feel is right or wrong? What will you stand for?
That being said, it was revealed in one of the vids about this situation that it was revealed that Woody Allen had a relationship with a 16 yr. old girl, (Sorry her name escapes me), before he started dating Mia Farrow & it overlapped about 2 yrs. In, into the time Woody & Mia started dating. The now grown woman said that one day Woody told her that he wanted her to meet his girlfriend “Mia”. The girl said she was in shock. She thought she was his girlfriend! But she wasn’t ready to let go of Woody, so she claims that Woody & Mia both had threesomes with her. She said she grew to even like Mia, etc. Both Mia & Woody wrote books & neither mentions these things. However this is the girl who says that he based his movie “Manhattan” on her. But Mariel Hemingway played her. Mariel Hemingway says that at 14 after making the movie with her, he invited her to Paris. Her parents were actually going to let her go with him. She was hoping they wouldn’t. But she herself knew what Woody wanted or expected & so she told him she couldn’t go with him. There was another young actress that said she had a relationship w/Woody starting when she was 17. They remained friends over the years, but she moved to LA for her acting career. She said Woody would fly out sometimes or fly her back to NY because he didn’t like LA. This went on for around 2 years she said.
The reason I bring them up is it shows his prior propensity for younger girls. I also think that if the first girl, is to be believed, that means Mia was involved too. Mia also got pregnant with Ronan while still with Woody. She has admitted in later years that there is a possibility that Frank Sinatra could be his father. If that is true, how did she come to cheat on Woody with Frank? I mean their relationship was under strain she says due to Woody’s obsession with Dylan, so maybe the rift was so bad that she sought Frank’s opinion & one thing led to another, idk? This was long before the issues with Soun-Yi. There is a lot of blame to go around, but Woody seems to be the common denominator. Woody adopted 2 girls with Soun-Yi. He did not have biological children even with her. So is he incapable of fathering children? Or just didn’t want to because he wanted to maintain that distance in case he had other ideas? Makes you wonder? Well, I hope these things give you some food for thought. The whole thing was very dysfunctional.
I thought he looked creepy too as a kid. I was confused about the female attention in his movies too I experienced some second hand embarrassment watching his movies. He's a great actor he just seemed so cheesy and off. This was before I was overtly abused by any one. I say overtly because anyone who's a parent knows negative things are normalized
Woody Allen has ruined so many lives.
I feel for the family so much and especially for Dylan…I cannot even fathom what she had to go through, and I am disgusted that he’s out there in the world with access to young girls to this day. Sickening. And the claims that he started creeping on Dylan when she was still in diapers…I have no doubt he did.
Where can I gather with other townsfolk to bring our pitchforks and riot against this injustice?
Did you guys really do a podcast including a psychological profile of Soon-Yi, without looking into her claims of abuse at the hands of Mia Farrow? I'm at the section on her, and it sure sounds like that.
This isnt ABOUT MIA.
Being a POS mother doesn't make all of the sexual abusers magically not exist anymore.
Well, he didn't.
When you are talking about the thing with Allen's films that they had their place in your mind and soul, it reminds me of my relationship towards songs from Czech song-writer and singer (something like a bard kind of person) Jaromír Nohavica, who had a plenty of beautiful songs about love, fun stuff, too, always capturing the hearts of the audience. But then it showed up first that he was very xenophobic and showed up on some weird demonstrations against accepting refugees - and then he got this special award from Vladimir Putin and he went to Russia and had himself photographed shaking Putin's hand and that was in 2018, so after Maidan.
Also, his private life was never known of which one would tolerate with a bard but with him something felt always off. And now everything he ever created gained this foul flavour to it. I used to listen to him from time to time, but quite often. No more. I can't, it creates this ew feeling in me. And I kinda... hate him for it. It feels like a betrayal. The artist makes a cozy room in your heart and then you find out about their morals and what they did and it spoils it forever.
I found his accounts of what happened very suspect. For example, the thumb sucking. He said she might have just accidentally sucked his thumb. Not believable, kids just don't do that.
Is Berto saying, you are diminishing his experience of abuse by watching movies of a potential child molester?
Shouldn't the title of this talk be called "Woody did do it"
Isn't that the real title of this ? This is the point of this broadcast ..... to say he did it. Right?
The young girlfriend in , Manhattan is mature, articulate, educated and the most level headed. ... I think that's why the movie was accepted.... Compare that to Stanley Kubrick's Lolita. She was mature , sometimes and very immature, other times.
The documentary is completely one-sided, it's basically propaganda for Mia and that's it. Her story has never made sense to me. Woody didn't legally adopt Soon-Yi but it's still creepy the age difference. However, Mia was actually younger than Soon-Yi was when she began dating Frank Sinatra. Personally i have never heard of a pedophile who did it once. If you believe Mia you believe Woody did whatever he did once, in a house full of adults who despised him- if you're going to offend like that, why would he do it in such a high-risk situation? It makes no sense. If you believe Mia, you are factually believing a woman who adopted and sent back children from around the world like they were toy dolls. Go look up what she did to Andre Previn, his wife ending up killing herself because Mia took him from her. Look up that TWO of Mia's adopted kids have committed suicide, isn't that weird? I think Woody unfortunately just ended up with an absolute psycho. Mia is mental and vindictive. Woody was stupid for being with her.
finally found out what OPP stands for 😂
Yeah, well, we apparently later (for some reason) changed it to mean "old patron praise". Why? I don't know.
Believing dylan???
I'm on the fence here.
First if mia truly believed he molested Dylan why would she still want to star in his movies...
That, to me, is sick.
You don't continue to interact with the creep who you believed sexual molested your daughter.
That does not make sense.
Mia was obsessed with making allen into what she wanted, husband and father ... a family man.
At first I doubt Allen was interested in being a father... he did grow to appreciate and love being a father.
But I think over time he got bored with mia.
And soon yi was young and exciting.
So he ends up having a n affair with her and Mia found out ...
She was being replaced by her own daughter.
As a result she rejected soon yi and cut her out of her life.
That is not someone who genuinely loves their child.
And she wanted revenge to hurt woody.
So she could easily manipulate Dylan and brainwash her into believing that her father molested her.
I'm not saying that woody didn't have strange behavior towards Dylan but I'm not sure he molested her but this doesn't means he wasn't showing inappropriate behavior.
Mia can take a snap shot of such behavior and twisted it up.
There is no true proof that Allen did molest her we only had the word of a woman who wanted to hurt him.
Also witness testimony from 3 of her kids sighted abuse from Mia in a slave like manner like older children often being care takers of the younger one etc.
They describe physical hitting and kicking by Mia and calling them names etc.
Personally neither of them should have been allowed to raise these kids.
Both were poor at parenting and only know how to love themselves.
It's disgusting and inhuman how these kids were brought up.
I think the Yale-New Haven thing was bullshit. You don't interview a kid fifty times over an incident that occurred, ridiculous, and bad for the kid.
You guys dont know the Woody Allen case. Go look at the court documents. All the experts looking into the case say it did not happend. Woody was freed on all counts. Dylan has changed the story several times. Allot of the adopted kids that still live have come out and said it did not happend. The amount of accusations from the kids in the hous is towards Mia Farrow. Its a very interresting case look into it.
Purely prevented man
This case was investigated by 2 state child welfare agencies in CT and NY and Allen was exonerated. That's a lot of professionals.
Yeah but if you actually look at how they handled the whole investigation.. and what's in the files.. it's absolutely disgusting. He should not have been exonerated.
@@doyoufeardeath666what specifically in the files is so "absolutely disgusting"? The fact the Farrow's and their supporters tell so many bald faced lies about the investigations (the nonsense about the notes being destroyed, the absolute lie about the Yale team helping Woody hold a press conference etc etc etc etc etc etc) is a huge red flag that they can't legitimately criticize the investigations so they resort to dishonesty instead.
@@doyoufeardeath666 examples please.
This is totally lacking in insight, a vacuous and unproductive discourse
Having her suck his thumb. Which he admits!!! Is disgusting
are you stupid? where does he admit that? show us
Noticing something very Trumpian in the Woody defenders. “He barely knew Soon-Yi.” 😂
Coming from someone that is as “proceed with caution” as it gets, and 8 out of the last 10 public accusations of abuse/rape I’ve paid attn to fell apart or were proven false, I believe Dylan. It’s all there.
It's all out of Mia's ex-husband Andre Previn's ex-wife's song. Dory Previn, Daddy in the Attic. Going up to the attic with Daddy. Look it up.
“Woody” the name says it all. 😮😅
If you're an idiot, sure.
Adults make up things around separation and divorce and involve the children and plant false memories every day. It's a common tactic. I have a lot of empathy for everybody in this fiasco that could have been prevented by Woody himself. He is to blame for that. But he said about Soon yi back in the day, The heart wants what it wants. Which may be true, but may not be morally correct. He and Mia pretty much wrecked the family. It's very tragic. And I like both of them. But I haven't seen the doc just been following the saga over the years. People can believe something happened when it didn't. Or it did happen. Hard to tell which. Most middle age cis men are attracted to young legal age women.
His marriage with Soon -Yi has nothing to do with the allegations against him by Dylan. They are not connected in anyway.
Am I the only one who has not watched all the Woody Allen classic films?? I think I will pass, just based on pure facts. He married his adopted daughter.
Wrong. He did NOT marry his adopted daughter. He married the adopted daughter of Andre Previn. Try Again.
Ugh Vicki Christina Barcelona was just so obviously his wet dream and I hated it. He’s self-obsessed and annoying AF. And now we understand he’s a horrible human being.
I am not sure. The documentary has only one side. But most likely. But why it was never proven?
This doesn't compare to Roman Polanski rape case.
Why did that guy even mention it?
I remember I the 90s too. The issue was that she was another race and he was taking photos of her underage. At the time I read that if she wasn't Asian people would be more outraged.
She wasn't underaged in those photos. Woody would've gone to prison for manufacturing and possessing child p0rn. Mia would've gone to prison for possessing and distributing child p0rn (she took the photos and handed them out to her own children and leaked them to the press). Media outlets showed censored versions of some of the pics, which would never have happened if Soon-Yi was underaged. So maybe stop disseminating false information?
Now if you're really that concerned with anti Asian racism, take it up with the disgusting Farrow supporters who invalidate everything Soon-Yi Previn has ever said by depicting her as some sort of mindless China doll/geisha (because Asian women are too "docile" and "subservient" to legitimately think for themselves, amirite?)
She was not underage.
@@Ausgar-yc1yl yes she was he starting taking photos of her at 14. Underage!! Its awful what he did. And Roman Polanski raped a 15 year old after drugging her using a bottle to penetrate her, aweful
You keep tellin yourself, these pedophiles DON'T ACT OUT on their desires...you really think they don't? That's insane.
Well done. One thought was, Harvey Weinstein WAS/IS a monster. Do we stop watching all of the movies he produced?
You are clueless. It’s scary
The documentary is totally one sided.
Why start the video off by blaspheming and taking God's name in vain?? It was unnecessary and highly offensive. For that reason alone, I will not continue ....
This video is 'amateur journalism' at its very worst. The abundance of this kind of half-baked rubbish is one of the many, many reasons modern day discourse is in such serious trouble.
No he didnt.
No, he didn't.