Boethiah's Hidden Motive - Elder Scrolls Lore
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- In our latest Elder Scrolls video we explore the hidden motive of the Daedric Prince Boethiah.
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So this is the theory Drew has been putting together over the last few months. Got to admit my dude, you can certainly spin a story. As eloquent and entertaining as ever.
Honestly drew really draws me in. I love that in the podcasts, he’s all chilling in the background while Michael and Scott lead the conversation, then he just drops knowledge bombs.
@@XenoDogg you could say he "DREW" you in? lol
It isn’t theory The Chimmer is Boethiahs love song to Lorkhaj. I hope they do Mephala or Azura next.
Well, of course! Why do you think Drew's favorite god in the Elder Scrolls is Y'ffre?
Y'know, *The Spinner* himself? He who teaches his flock, and those with ears and the will to listen, that nothing nourishes the soul like a good story, and that myth makes reality? Makes absolute sense.
"In the beginning, Lorkhan created the universe. This has made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
Definitely was not a "pro gamer move"
You could say it was pretty, heartless.
I like to think they have forgiven him by now. They are certainly set on defending mortals against the daedra.
I usually put this on as background noise. But they put a lot of effort in the visuals and I never even realized. Goated fr
Fudge Muppet is best asrm videos ever
@@BonnePirate *Drew
I kind of feel bad for people who do all of that, because I'm someone who just clicks on a video. Puts my phone on the counter and listen to it while I go about my business.
I never watch a second of the actual video.
@@mgtowdadTH-camSucksCoxks Don't. Creator types tend to know and appreciate that people enjoy their stuff in all types of ways. They know for example, that someone telling them they fall asleep to their videos isn't insulting them and calling them boring lol. It's an appreciative compliment letting the particular person or people they're addressing know that they are responsible for giving them a sense of ease, peace, and calm.
People who make art know that once they put that art into the world, it's up to every individual person to behold, and interpret that art however they will. And think about why you'd want to make something for a second. You'd want to make it because you enjoy making it, you're doing it for you. Why make TH-cam videos with gorgeous, original visuals (that not all people are going to see, notice, fully appreciate, etc)? Because you'll appreciate what you made, you'll be proud of getting it just how you wanted it! You know the beauty of your work, and you see the value in it. Anybody else stopping and letting you know that they appreciated it too is an absolute bonus.
So go forth and appreciate your favorite things however you will 🧡
Ah Boethiah.
That Daedric Prince who embodies the 3 things in the world, GIT GUD, Schemes and Perfect Tomboy Goddess since Arena.
Who are you, you who are so wise in the ways of daedric waifus?
Dunmer colonial marines: "...when it's Boethian it doesn't matter..."
ironically enough Skyrim is the first game where Boethia chooses to depict themselves as female. they always appeared male in the previous games.
@@windebiesteultima3317 In Daggerfall, she's mostly resembled in a feminine body.
Ah Azura.
That Daedric Prince who embodies the 3 things in the world, Night skies, Cuddling under said night sky and Essential Mommy GF since Morrowind
I'm left now with a new theory... The Nords are, for the most part, the most devout followers of Shor/Lorkhan in so much as they revere him directly. The Chimer/Dunmer are the devout followers of the good Daedra and, by the evidence of this video, Lorkhan's champions. The Argonians are the reptilian race created by the Hist, the sentient trees of Sithis, from which Lorkhan comes.
What if the Hist, whose origin is unknown, are a product of Lorkhan and the Argonians thus the latest creation of Lorkhan.
Perhaps the Ebonheart Pact, though contrived for ESO's 2nd Era and not befitting the lore of that time period, is actually the goal of the Padomaic descendents in the eternal struggle against the Anuic forces in the Aurbis. The most complete alliance of man, mer, and beast to make use of the strengths of all?
I'm sure Haskell would shake his head at such a theory, but there it is.
I like this theory! Here, have a cookie!
Fascinating
This theory is very good!
Yeah, it would also be cool to see the Anuic races band together in the face of Chaos and Instability with their Order and Stability.
I mean, if the Thalmor could ever come to terms with the Redguards after the Great War and admit they were wrong about attacking them, then that would have 2 Anuic races, one Man and one Mer, and then toss in the Khajit, who seem to be a bit in the middle (although they lean more Padomaic) and the Bosmer, who are mostly Anuic but share a few small Padomaic features.
It gives a new meaning to the name "Ebonheart" Pact, huh? Especially if "Ebonheart" is also a metaphorical allusion to the Heart of Lorkhan.
Beatiful interpretarion!
Even the Chimer's greatest sin (becoming gods) was only possible by the Heart of Lorkhan, which was not repremended by Boethia. The Tribunal actually managed to become Anuic gods, and if that is not perpetuation of Lorkhan's legacy, I don't know what else is.
Well, the mortals of Mundus are supposed to become gods by struggle, by enduring the Psijic Endeavor and achieving CHIM, not by tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan and cheating their way to divinity. (And because they cheated and earned nothing, the Tribunal's powers, not being their own, faded and waned and needed to be renewed periodically. Theirs was a stolen and temporary divinity, not the one that could have been their by right as designed by Lorkhan and taught by Boethiah.)
Even though Boethiah didn't step at that moment, Azura sure did. I'm sure Boethiah was in full agreement, too, as Azura's judgment only gave the Dunmer something else to suffer and overcome.
@@HickoryDickory86 Boethia is the Prince of Plots, she does not care about "cheating" and there are no rules in the Psijic Endeavor. The Tribunal went further in the Pisjic Endeavor than anyone else even if they did not fully succeed in it. I'm sure Boethia didn't mind Azura's vain punishment, as it was just another obstacle to overcome, just another test on the path to divinity, a test that the Tribunal ultimately failed.
This lore goes deeper than just Skyrim. A most excellent and wonderful compounding of philosophic thought, thank you.
Ur gay
@@ColonelMetus no u
@@tov5392 damn he got me
You do realize Skyrim is not the only game in the series, right?
@@Arock_tws 💯
You know from a theological standpoint something like the Ebonheart Pact makes some sense - common veneration for the most extreme Padomaics, ranging from Shor, to the Triumvirate, to Sithis. However it’s in the details and the political realities that make the whole thing fall apart. Actually very believable even when you think about it at length.
Additional: I really really hope ES6 has like a group of 3 Dunmer archeologists somewhere that are some shaded reference to FudgeMuppet.
Yeah, being Padomaic in nature means that even if on the same side, they're all too chaotic and dark to ever last long, whereas the Anuic Races could arguably last longer as they are more Orderly and more cohesive by nature
@@thalmoragent9344 I know I'm tempting fate by talking ES theology with "Thalmor Agent", but I find it funny that one reason you could point to Padomaic races fighting so frequently is because of their inherently chaotic nature - but the reason Anuic races cause such mass destruction when they fight is because every Anuic faith is so assured of THEIR particular dogma and morality.
There's that Allinall video where there were three guys talking in a tavern.
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Yeah, I guess the Dogma of every race is there, but the Anuic ones seem to be very passionate in their Morality as you said, and it leads to a very resilient, absolute determination.
Granted the same has been true with a few of the Padomaic ones as well, but I guess that's the Irony of it all, they're both very intwined, as much as they are different and opposed
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Yeah, it was Fudgemuppet, one was a Bosmer, a Daedra and a Dunmer if I recall.
I once read somewhere that when the chimer migrated, they, lead by boethia, stayed for a time under the greatest of the elves, Trinimac. Boethea became his lover, and after a time suggested he take the place of Lorkhan as the 9th divine. He rejected her, and she cast him into oblivion through her teeth, making him a daedric prince. This is why trinimac isn't the 9th divine, because he rejected mantling Lorkhan, but instead became Malacath.
I've never heard that before, but damn would THAT be one helluva twist lmao.
I doubt Trinimac would've liked the idea of taking Lorkhan's place, and considering he embodies a seperate sphere, well... I don't even think he'd be eligible for that spot.
Plus, if we go by the Elven Pantheon, it would only ever be 8 Divines, since they'd never acknowledge Lorkhan, and so if Trinimac wanted to take his place, it would still be 8, because no one would be in Trinimac's old spot anymore...
We all know Boethia heard his name and thought "mmmm chili mac" and ate him... What came out was Malacath
@@thalmoragent9344 No lol.
Something I just realized, but the majority of the House of Troubles is made up of beings with Anuic elements.
Malakath was once Trinimac, the Anuic god of Strength.
Mehrunes Dagon was created by the Magne-Ge.
Sheogorath was once Jyggalag, the Daedric Prince of Order. It gets a bit weird as Sheo is possibly the second-most inherently Padomaic being after Lorkhan, and described as the "Sithis-shaped hole" after Lorkhan has his heart ripped out, though that's pretty handily explained by Jyggalag's curse.
And I can't really come up with anything for Molag Bal without really stretching it, but the most chaotic thing about Domination would probably be who his next victim is.
Yeah, they seem to hate the Anuic aspects of them, although still, the Orderly part of the Mundus is still fundamental, even if the "Good" Daedra don't like them
More and more I'd say Lorkhan's sphere seems to be "mortality" itself. Like mortals, his influence lingers and is felt by all those left behind even though he's "dead".
Old but if auriel/akatosh is time then lorkhan/shezzar is space. Space is finite(god of mortality which is finite), it has limits(lorkhan is god of limitation), and is intrinsic to time to create reality.
@@tlaloqq I agree. The relationship between Lorkhan and Auriel (space and time) is what makes the aurbis able to solidify and evolve through experience. This seems to affect even the aedra in some degree. It even makes Boethiah's love for Lorkhan more plausible, because she is the daedra of evolution by hardship. Lorkhan provides the ground or plance for all the tribulations.
So, Nords (Shor), Dunmer (Lorkhan/Boethia) and Argonians (Sithis) are all very padomaic. Maybe they should try to form an agreement, or an alliance, between themself, idk, like a *pact* or smth
If only it could be a reflection of a dark, beating doom drum. What might one name something like that? The Dark Pump Deal?
No, Imperials (Shezarr), Nords (Kyne/Kynareth), and Bretons (Julianos) are very Padomaic and that's how the Empire is a Padomaic faction.
The overall dual aspect of Lorkhan, his position as a spirit of chaos rather than of order, and the complexity of the mythology surrounding him go a long way towards making the Elder Scrolls mythos one of, if not the best in modern fantasy.
Yeah, and Auriel with wanting to maintain Order and being responsible for the flow of time itself as his Polar opposite is cool too.
*Auriel and Lorkhan*
*Order and Chaos*
*Time and Space*
*Anui-El's greatest light*
*Sithis' deepest darkness.*
Auriel's my favorite, so it seems you and I are also opposites... 👀
@@thalmoragent9344 Fire Nation soldier.
Boethia is the champion of Drew. He has ascended to a realm beyond even gods.
Damn, Boethia taught him the Psyjic Endeavor, and now he's flexing on her instead 😅
Boethia was the anticipation of Drew
It's odd how Boethia (and others like Mankar Cameron) seem to greatly dislike the Aedra. They call them weak for having to hide behind statues, but there's a reason their power is so limited.
They literally poured much of their power into creating Mundus. She fought and slashed at Magnus' Eye because she thought he was cowardly for wanting to leave, yet she herself didn't contribute anything to Mundus, and she also shuns Aka (whichever time God aspect you wanna go for) for going mad and being taken apart by the sheer undertaking of handling Mundus, but like... he's literally the God of Time, he's the reason she and the other Et'Ada could even take shape and manifest themselves, and understand their nature's and limitations.
Just saying, I appreciate her whole "wake up and choose violence for what you want", but as Trinimac/Malacath indicates, you don't have to be a total dick to all others to be strong and enduring.
Trinimac was OP, took down Lorkhan, and fought Boethia and was murked when Mephala showed up, so it's not like his ability as a powerful Et'Ada was changed.
He's still a God, one that was infused with the Padomaic waters in Oblivion after being taken from Aetherius. So while he may have been altered in appearance and all, he's still fundamentally the same deep down, and his sphere overlaps much of the same principles.
Even Boethia couldn't change him in his entirely. And Boethia herself isn't above change either. In fact, given her nature, she'd be more liable to change if anything happened to her, more than the Anuic Trinimac that has retained much of his former self, even as he was cast into Oblivion.
Boethia wouldn't exist as she does without Auriel's enduring, everlasting influence, as much as she hates him...
That was awesome to read, thank you!
Well said
Mankar was an Aldmer nationalist who disliked the Aedra for not liberating them from the colonial domination of Man, so he looked towards Mehrunes Dagon, the son of Meridia and grandson of the Aedric Elven god Magnus, for help in overthrowing the human Empire and destroying the Lorkanic prison that is Mundus. Moreover, the Aedra and Daedra are not exclusively Anuic or Padomaic. They’re both half, as the Et’Ada are the children of Anu and Padomay. What constitutes as Anuic and Padomaic is based entirely on ideology.
One can be Anuic and chaotic. Another can be Padomaic and ordered. One can support chaos and statis, while another can support change and order. While the rest have ideological views that are a mix of more. Morality is also another variable factor that has no basis on Anu and Padomay. These are entirely independent philosophical concepts. They may also be relative. One may support order here and chaos there, or support certain ideologies at different moments in time.
Most of every Aedra and Daedra constitute their own race. For instance. Azura is a Twilight goddess, who created the Twilight race as her servant offsprings. Mephala is a Spiderkith goddess, who created the Spiderkith race for the same purpose. Likewise, Shor created Nords to serve his will. All gods and goddesses have material interests that often get into conflict with their relatives.
The Aedra and Daedra may seem as incomprehensible beings to the mind of the ignorant, but the gods are quite simple and predictable. They’re not as complex as they like to portray themselves as. They are as deep as a snobby noble or a power-hungry king. They care about themselves, their power and their influence, and that is why the Dwemer are the greatest race.
A being who has never created anything does not know sacrifice. All Boethiah and the other Daedra can do is cling on to the world the Aedra created and yet they still mock it. Dremora look like mortals because the Daedra actually can't create anything without sacrifice, since they never will, they simply "take inspiration" or steal from Aedric or man-made creations. Daedra are like the people who sit around being dependent on others but, still feel the need to tell the others how to live.
@@spider-spectre I agree. There is not much even I can do to improve on the mortal design. They are already so chaotic that they only need a slight push in either direction to influence them. So fun tormenting them. Make the sane believe they are insane and the insane believe they are sane. Even the mortals can create they give birth to new mortals all the time.
Always good to hear Daedra Daddy Drew's lovely voice in the morning! Great lore spun eloquence as usual, my friend! I've been looking forward to this!
I believe that Boethiah shall play a main story role in TES6. I believe one of the central stories will involve the feud between Boethiah and Malacath. My opinion for the story will center around the Thalmor continuing their war against Hammerfell and even managing to win over some of the Crowns to subjugate their lands and people as they are truly the last resistance of man that poses a threat to Summerset. Meanwhile they play a political game in High Rock to gain free access to Direnni Tower and several Key locations. Ultimately a "chosen" agent of the Thalmor command needs to recover a Dwemer device from Hammerfell's deserts that allows to siphon the life force out of Daedra as an energy source. They then require an Ayleid artifact that can materialize and allow free communication with the Daedra. These two items will allow them to sack Orsinium and invoke Malacath in which the Thalmor Agent will capture and drain the essence of Malacath so that when he is weak enough they can invoke Trinimac's essence and the agent can mantle it. The new Trinimac will be separated from Malacath and march towards Direnni Tower in order to access the Zero Stone and access the Argent Aperture thinking it will ascend all Mer to their original state. Boethiah will be central to the story as trying to have the player character intervene against the Thalmor and Trinimac's mantling. In true fashion after the final battle with Trinimac, Boethiah will try to use Direnni Tower is some way to bring back Lorkhan and betray the player character and allies and need to be stopped as well.
Lol, story in TES6. Bethesda ran out of kirkbride material about 5% of the way through skyrim. Tes6 is just going to be a generic tolkien rip off.
The Zero Stone itself is the Convention.
I've made it a habit to watch these videos during my breaks at work. I hate my job, but these videos make it a lot less unbearable. Thank you all three of you 🙌
Very VERY well put. There has always been a battle between stasis and change or what we know versus what can change to be unknown. In this case, what is the difference between good and evil only deals on the perspective of the observer. Is a civilization that crushes all those that stand against it evil? To that civilization, no as it protects itself, but to those that stand against it... It is the definition of evil. A willingness to stand against a friend is called a betrayal and is extremely hard to do, and yet Neville in the first Potter story is rewarded for doing so. Boethiah demands that strength. To take out obstacles to achieve the needed ends without regard to personal feelings.
Drew....my gods, dude. You're a legend lol.
I have to watch Drew's videos 3 times
1. They good
2. I need the 2nd to fully understand all his words
3. Gas writing🔥🔥
*Literally 1/3rd into the video:*
"hEy, GuYs! iT's DReW hERe aNd wElcOmE tO fUdGeMupPeT."
This man loves his elongated intros.
Dark elves are the new nords, lorkhan lore is always nice to learn. Never thought of Boethia being a good daedra like that until now
"Even an elf can be born with the heart of a Nord." Guess it's actually the Nords who are born with the heart of a mer. Which is in a way fitting, cause I always felt they are kinda a middle ground of Orc and an opposite to Dark elves.
That’s an interesting theory, but Dark Elves were created by Azura to symbolise the Chimer’s betrayal of the Good Daedra in favour of the Tribunal - the Anticipations. Therefore, the Dunmer race, with their red eyes and blue skin - colours which Azura considered rebellious against the Good Daedra’s rule - are actually the children of themselves; of their own kin who ascended to godhood. It’s funny, Dark Elves are, essentially, an extension of Chimer elves who succeeded where the Dwemer failed. Technically, after the events of ES3: Morrowind, Azura should have reverted the Dunmer back into the Chimer, as the Tribunal gods were removed from Morrowind and their worship replaced with the worship of the Good Daedra - the Reclamations. Not sure why Bethesda didn’t go through with it.
So as to Dark Elves being the new Nords: I highly doubt it. Even when they worshipped the Good Daedra or themselves, the Elves of Morrowind constantly warred with the Nords of Skyrim, who are the *true* sons and daughters of Lorkhan. In fact, “Lorkhan” isn’t even his real name. His real name is Shor, especially since his shield-thane, Tsun, calls him as such. “Lorkhan” is just the name the Aldmer gave so they didn’t have to utter Shor’s real name. But it seems that Aldmer culture is quite influential, as even the gods and lifeforms of Oblivion use Elven terms like “Lorkhan” or “Daedra”. Strange. In any case, Nords clearly dislike Dark Elves for many reasons: social, economic, political, cultural and especially religious.
Nords have always and will always be the descendants of Shor. In the early centuries of the Dawn Era, the Wandering Ehlnofey took Shor’s side in creation. He transformed the Wanderers, remaking them in his image, until they became his mortal offsprings. This was the birth of the Nords. A glorious race, shaped in Shor’s face and form. They were made to bring glory to their lord, and be rewarded with an eternity of paradise in his world of Sovngarde. Kyne, then the wife of Shor, carried the Nords upon her winds from the outskirts of Mundus onto the peak of the Throat of the World, on the supercontinent of Aldmeris. Their purpose was to colonise Nirn and return it to Shor’s domain. A legendary war occurred between the Nords and the Aldmer which broke Aldmeris into the many continents that we know of today. The Nords landed on Atmora, while the Elves landed what they still called Aldmeris, before sailing towards the Summerset Isles, while Tamriel - the heart of Old Aldmeris - and the Heartland (Cyrodiil) - the soul of Old Aldmeris -
was uninhabited by Mer for a time too long, before the Aldmer set sail to retake Tamriel, where they would eventually become the various Tamrielic Elven races such as the Ayleids and Falmer, from the Nedic tribes which called the continent home. The Heartland is where the Ayleids, also called the Rumer (Star Elves) built the White-Gold Tower in honour of Auriel’s white-gold Draconic body.
The rest is known history. Nords are the children of Shor, not Elves. Boethiah may have loved Shor, and Boethiah may have created the Chimer to be a race of Shor-loving Elves. But Shor had no love for Boethiah. He loved Kyne, and took her handmaiden Mara as his concubine. Only one thing remains true: Elves are the natives of Planet Nirn, a once prison that fell under Auriel’s control, and Nords are extraterrestrial, alien invaders sent by Kyne to colonise Nirn for Shor, not Lorkhan, but Shor.
@@muslimcrusader5987 Umh... we are calling my aunt a rock, because she can not fly.
@@insaincaldo I’m sorry, I couldn’t quite get that.
@@muslimcrusader5987 If you define a rock by inability to fly, you might conclude my old aunt is also a rock.
We are not theory crafting..
I love your introductions. They’re absolutely not a distraction.. I think they add more power.
This..makes sense.
I'd like to also throw my theory of Pyrite, whom keeps balance and order best they can in Nirn. Why? Because simply they were asked, by a friend. He takes the form of a dragon not out of a spiteful spit in the face of Akatosh, but because he is part of the cycle in itself.
This is great stuff drew. Love it.
This MFR’s spittin’, I have heard this story so many times but that was the best telling yet
But, can't that be said of most of the Daedric Prince's spheres? Without the mortal world, there would be no nations for Dagon to threaten rebellion with, there would be no lands for Hircine to hunt, there would be none to be driven to madness alongside Sheogorath and so on with the other Princes. Boethiah may indeed love Lorkhan, but by that same logic, shouldn't most (if not all) Princes love the Missing God?
Always great when fudge muppet uploads
After listening to this it's my personal head canon that Boethiah possessed Trinimac (instead of eating him). The results leading to the 'reanimated dung' becoming Malacath due to them merging and leaving behind characteristics to one another. Malacath gained a new portfolio and visage, while Boethiah might have gained their male qualities (though this one seems more of the stretch since I'd have to prove Boethiah characterized as only female until AFTER possessing Trinimac). Nonetheless it'd seem more appropriate for misinterpretation since Malacath insists it didn't go down like that. But who honestly would admit getting eaten and pooped out lol
It's my third favorite god! Yay.
Wait, If I'm understanding this right.... Boethia sh*t Trinimac out as the first orc?!
...who became Malacath, yes
And his followers became orcs
Boethiah was into Vore and she not only skinned trinimac alive and wore his skin and stole his axe, but also she proceeded to humiliate him so hard that he calls til this day what we are exaggerating with the details.
@@69inetails allegedly after smearing themselves with Boethia's excrement
Malacath would argue that its metaphorical but everyone assumes the shitting is literal
Love is quite a compelling motivation most times in life, so if an eternal entity loves someone or something, you better believe things are going to get funky for us mortals.
I enjoyed this video so much, that I'm going to start a new Dunmer playthrough right now
Please daniel this is your 15th dunmer playthrough this week
Bae-thiah and Shor-ty forever❤️
I hate this. Take my upvote!
Lmao, Bae-thiah and Shezarr-ty.
Boe is bae. Boethiah lore videos get a instant like from me.
I’m relatively new to the Elder Scrolls series so I don’t understand the lore completely. Why do the Nords worship the divines if they revere Shor?
It's cause of the ages of living under the Empire's rule, their pantheon has been heavily influenced, in modern times not many simple citizens believe all this Auriel-Lorkhan stuff and drive by it, heck the people of skyrim thought dragons were just kids' tales before they returned, so that deeper lore fades with time, at this point in time it's just limited to bigger powers pulling strings and greater schemes behind the scenes, like Thalmor and like in the video Boethiah.
@@kingclint2382 The Nords should be worshipping Kyne because she created them whereas the Imperials should be worshipping Shezarr because he created them out of nothing.
It’s interesting how the Chimer are, in essence, a Lorkhanic version of Elves. Yet they hated the Nords who are literally the *children* of Lorkhan. It’s also believed that Boethiah led the Velothi Elves to Resdayn to protect Lorkhan’s heart. But if that’s true then I wonder why Boethiah didn’t just go to Atmora and get the Nords, who are the most Lorkhanic and Padomaic race on Nirn, to travel to Red Mountain. It would have made much more sense.
BBecause the Nords can be a bunch of _ , sometimes.
@@LandStrider23 Lol
@@muslimcrusader5987 The Nords are not the children of Lorkhan. The Imperials are the children of Lorkhan aka Shezarr, he created them out of nothing in Cyrodiil, the Nords are the children of Kynareth, Shezarr's sister and the Nords call themselves the sons and daughters of Kyne, she created them at the top of the Throat of the World with her breath.
PRAISE THE BLADED MASTER, THE SHADOWED MISTRESS, THE BLOODY USERPER!!! LORD BOETHIAH!!! PRINCE OF PLOTS AND POWER!!! GUIDE ME TO EVER GREATER HEIGHTS!!!
I think my favorite type of videos of yours are the ones that delve into how different gods have deep ties to overarching concepts in the aurbis. With the gods, it feels like everything collides in the center somehow
Wow you guys flushed out a love story for the 10th anniversary! Dope, ty for this!
hell ya. boethiah and mephala are so cool. i don't really understand azura's role entirely though
Azura just wants you to love her and yourself but mostly her. She's like a super powerful yandere as while with you she all lovey dovey but if you turn away she can be crazy psycho. Why would she support the chimer and make them the dunmer? Because she's the softest face of the three good deadra which makes her popular in worship and that literally her goal of feeding her vanity.
I see the Nords and the Dunmer as step or half sibiling races, Nords are the children of Kyne and Lorkhan/Shor, while the Dunmer could be more the adopted children of Boethiah and Lorkhan/Shor.
See Dunmer are still Mer they were once still Aldmer children of Auriel or Trinemac maybe, they were the children though that turned and so Boethiah adopted them and presented them to her lover saying these are our children.
Though I also theorize that Kyne and Boethiah are reflections of each other, so maybe Boethiah wanted a kind of elven reflection to the children of Kyne and she made the Dunmer/Chimer as kind of a dark and elven reflection of the Nords.
Basically the Dunmer/chimer are either the nords step-sibling or half-sibling or they're their reflections of the Nords just as Boethiah could be a dark reflection of Kyne.
Lmao, Nords are cousins to the Imperials because their ancestors, the Atmorans interbred with the Imperials ancestors, the Nedes in Skyrim to produce the Nords while the Nedes interbred with the Atmorans in Cyrodiil to produce the Imperials.
No, Nords are the children of Kyne, she created them with her breath at the Throat of the World in Skyrim while Imperials are the children of Shezarr/Lorkhan, he created them out of nothing in Cyrodiil and these two deities are siblings so it makes sense.
Boethiah is Shezarr's/Lorkhan's lover and Kynareth is Boethiah's sister in-law.
5:40 intro? You just have to love this man's work and dedication. 🤣
I love these. An in-depth look at the Aedra, Daedra, Magna-Ge, Sithis and all that... Freaking trippy genius.
Remaster the craftsman build, it’s such a good build, An old respectable orc with a awesome play style, swapping your weapon depending on your enemy
“The arrogance of mortal beings is often astounding, many, truly believing that they and only they know the truth, for only they are the ones who are not blind. The high elves in all of there piety to order attempt to separate these beings called gods into categories in order to make sense of good and bad, pure and corrupting, ancestors or not their ancestors, Aedra or Daedra. But is this not also a lie? Was the warrior god not cast out when he changed from trinimac to malicath. The truth to these beings that draw power from Aetherius is far from what any word spouted from these churches of men, mer, or beast. But through the story of trinimacs change we can see that the gods are not unchanging. Where have these beloved gods gone? Not one of these “aedra” spoke to the Dragonborn in his trek from the chopping block to sovergarde. not one word as he was taken under the wing of the god of knowledge, hermeas mora, or did they? Since long ago, no credible accounts of aedra speaking to mortals has come, only those condemned to the name daedra, those who temporarily gain access to godly power, or those who were changed by it. Talos shook the world with his actions and charged nirn forever, but nirn pushed back. nirn shifted him from a godlike warrior to an avatar of the lost god, the god of mortals, a father of nirn, and keeper of cycles. Talos was changed to be a new “lorkan” to heal the natural order and cycle of life and nirn. But again we see change, talos changed lorkan as lorkan changed him, just as the evolving of trinimac. Look beyond what the imperial cult drills into you and see the overlap of these gods, akatosh god of time, keeping the March of sand going ever onward in a perfect pace but not afraid to speak to a lowly slave in the jungles of cyrodiil to bring an end to an empire that has lived long past it’s time. Does this not reek of similar actions of the taskmaster? The sly scheming dragon of pestilence who does not wish for the world to fall to plague, but to see natural order upheld. These gods can change and they shatter. Perhaps those eight aedra did speak to that Dragonborn, but not in there known forms. Listen to your hearts mortals and find the truth, perhaps you believe me, or think I am wrong, it does not matter. In the end all mortal thoughts are flawed” - A Heretic and His Musings
Published 4th era 202
Author: The Heretic
For Context: this is a little blurb I wrote while listening to the kajitii belief on where namira came from. I’m not claiming this to be true, I just thought it was a fun thought experiment.
That's long and I like it
Interesting, although to be fair:
It's odd how Boethia (and others like Mankar Cameron) seem to greatly dislike the Aedra. They call them weak for having to hide behind statues, but there's a reason their power is so limited.
They literally poured much of their power into creating Mundus. She fought and slashed at Magnus' Eye because she thought he was cowardly for wanting to leave, yet she herself didn't contribute anything to Mundus, and she also shuns Aka (whichever time God aspect you wanna go for) for going mad and being taken apart by the sheer undertaking of handling Mundus, but like... he's literally the God of Time, he's the reason she and the other Et'Ada could even take shape and manifest themselves, and understand their nature's and limitations.
I mean, personally, it's all fun and games till some Aedra find a way to leave Mundus and screws up the whole Realm. Then all of a sudden, Boethia wouldn't be laughing.
Just saying, I appreciate her whole "wake up and choose violence for what you want", but as Trinimac/Malacath indicates, you don't have to be a total dick to all others to be strong and enduring.
Trinimac was OP, took down Lorkhan, and fought Boethia and was murked when Mephala showed up, so it's not like his ability as a powerful Et'Ada was changed.
He's still a God, one that was infused with the Padomaic waters in Oblivion after being taken from Aetherius. So while he may have been altered in appearance and all, he's still fundamentally the same deep down, and his sphere overlaps much of the same principles.
Even Boethia couldn't change him in his entirely. And Boethia herself isn't above change either. In fact, given her nature, she'd be more liable to change if anything happened to her, more than the Anuic Trinimac that has retained much of his former self, even as he was cast into Oblivion.
Can we get a comp of all the intros form the elder scrolls lore video they are very poetic
Never stop the introduction lines. Keep doing them. Like if you read umbra and for like 30 mins once a week people will listen. You have the perfect voice for reading outloud
Never one to disappoint! I’m always looking forward to the next one.
Next up, Oblivion lore: Mehrunes Dagon's Hidden Motive :D
I loved the video Drew! You make my favorite videos on the channel and this one was great. I love Boethiah and the other 2 "good daedra" a lot in lore and this presentation of lore was a very fun and enjoyable take on Boethiah
I didn't understand Boethiah but now thanks to this video love her. Great work FudgeMuppet
Ah, the beauty of the the song of the Valar which sang Arda into existence…whoops! Wrong lore. Very fun and thoughtful video.
5 minutes before the actual story starts.
Yep, this is a Drew vid
Waiting for you to hit 1 million subs
My mate Drew good work, we getting closer to anniversary edition. Your the best Fudgemuppet. Fggggking hanging for starfield videos 😆 (yep I’ll try to wait 😜 😜 👌)
Drew the Spinner of Stories 🖋📓🖌
What the fuck. 5 minutes in and now the video begins. I love you.
Yes! A new video about THE WARRIOR OF EAST AND WEST! I watch them everyday!
And then it’s under one of my favorite es songs!!!!
Daedrologist in his element
If Padamai created Sithis, then made Lorkhan: the Entire Idea of creating anything would be: "to have it die." My theory is, the Daedra WANT to die.
Idk I think boe and maph just want a hug.
I'm still waiting for the video that has an intro so long, Drew only gets halfway through "hey guys, it's Drew" before it ends in a cold cut
Alot of the daedric princes aren't that bad if you really read into their lore(expect for maybe molag bal and sheogorath)
Great video as always, Drew. All 3 of you are awesome I can't wait for you guys to get your gold play buttons.
Yo fudgemuppet, I was wondering about something.
If the Thu'um is tied to the comprehension of the dragon language, could someone get so attuned to it that they can summon the power without speaking, just with thought?
Like, The Power Of The Voice(s in my head)
Sorry if this is a bit off topic
No
It's still "voice", it needs to be a sound to manifest and propagate, the thoughts as in your understanding of thu'um might influence it's power and effects (like when paarthurnax or black book grants you different understanding you get new effects) but it's still tonal magic.
Nope, it's established that the Thu'um is a type of tonal manipulation, in which the vibrations themselves manipulate the music of reality. You gotta make some sound to make it work. Even ignoring that, Wulfarth was the most powerful mortal user of the Thu'um, so much that he could not talk or even whisper without causing incredible damage. He instead communicated using sign language and writing.
Can you please boost volume on future videos? Thank you I love your content more than ever!
Drew, you HAVE to add the introductory line, you just have to.
… was that a “IM HERE TO KILL CHAOS” meme at 12:00 ?
Oooooh this is gonna be a good one. Can't wait to watch after work!
i know yall have probable been asked this multiple times, but have you thought of doing a story oriented "walkthrough" of Morrowind's main story or some of the interesting side quests from the game?
i like the poetic justice beothiah did to trinimac; a prideful blind servant of vengeance, who decorated himself in glory, and he/she just shat him out as the actual ugly truth of what he did than what he "stood for".
Man i love dunmeri lore!
Here's hoping we get a Boethra video
Clicked with the Q U I C K N E S S
What amazes me is that Skyrim is still talked about over a decade after it's initial release. Hell, todays cars don't last that long. As I write this, I am playing Skyrim, while listening to Skyrim videos, and to make it perfect, have an ice cold beer within easy reach. Life is good.
I absolutely love their old poison / plaguebearer build that they put up Wayback. I don't know if Drew or any of these other guys make mods but I sure do wish that they had some more poison mods out there on the Bethesda side of things. I'm on the Xbox some kind of limited as to what I can get some of these people have had some really cool builds using mods but they're not all available to Xbox users. I feel for anyone who can't use these mods I played Skyrim so many times that I've done everything that can be done played every race and role-played as a good guy bad guy holy Warrior Assassin vampire-werewolf Necromancer and it just got old if it wasn't for mods this game probably would have been either a coaster or a frisbee
Damn you guys are super close to 1mil. Only a matter of "time"
Some champions of Boethiah wear the mockingbird pin.
So a full TES play through at the 1M subscribers mark?
Does this then mean that boethiah showed the chimer the way to lorkhans heart, knowing that the tribunal would use lorkhans power to become demigods? And since the tribunal betrayal neravar and azura, does this empower boethiah as the god of betrayal and insurrection?
This video has opened a few rabbit holes, very enjoyable and great food for thought
Honestly Drew could read a dictionary and I would listen 😊
Yes, but Boethia would change the definition of each word just to spite Drew.
I didn't know you were regularly uploading videos since they never appear in my subscription feed. Wtf TH-cam
Even ALMSIVI were following the good Daedra teachings (betrayal, seizing opportunity etc)
13:23 I did NOT hear that right LMAO
At this point, I am pretty over Elder Scrolls until 6 comes out, but I could listen to Drew talk about it all day.
More lore from the tribunal of SCODREMIC.
keep the opening storys there gold
Huh.... this actually makes the Nord/Dunmer/Argonian alliance in ESO look a lot less silly than one would initially think, actually. Since the three are probably the most Padomaic cultures on Tamriel...
What would it *sound* like if you mixed the music that formed middle earth and the music that formed the elder scrolls universe. Would the world be a slap?!?🤔🤔🤔
Man, everytime I see this I wish we could start in Skyrim a movement of NordxDunmer padamaic religion
Reach heaven through violence
Dang recently I've been getting here late period even though I'm subscribed and I'm supposed to get some sort of alert it's just not happening for me. By the time I realized I have missed one of these episodes it has already been 5 hours late
Real homies remember when Drew made Sanguine his favorite daedric prince (at least for one videos lol)
11:54 I'm here to kill chaos
gotta get a stronger pop filter to catch those S's
lmao why did i start to tear up when he said that Boethiah is the champion at the end
"Git gud, scrub."
-Boethiah
Can you guys please make a remastered version of the champion of molag bal build please