Was the FOUNDER of BRISBANE INSANE?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2023
- Chances are you haven't heard of Henry Miller, but he was the first Commandant of the Moreton Bay Penal Settlement, both at Red Cliff and at Brisbane. Here's the story of what he did to found Brisbane...
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Note: at 16:50 I mention the name Forbes. That should actually be Hoddle.
They were going to make Ipswich the capital of Queensland but decided that Brisbane would be better place to put the CBD.
@@Soyuz2578 Actually no, Ipswich was never the intended capital. While there was talk of Ipswich being the capital, mainly by people there, on the Darling Downs and in Cleveland, it was never a serious contender to replace Brisbane.
"WE" did not build Australia. It was already Here and we simply made shacks & hovels around pre established found buildings. Sydney, Melbourne and especially Port Arthur can not deny this fact 😮 James Cook and "US" were Slaves of a private army with stolen TARTARIAN maps acquired through Rothschild's Indian trading company...
Queensland also but not like the rest down lower
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Back in the 1980's I was a survey assistant in Brisbane. We did a detailed topographic survey of the Commissariat building and the remaining timber wharves. It also included a survey of the underground stormwater and sewerage system. Some of it was lined in hand cut stone. Probably dated back to mid 1800's. Quite possibly built by convict labour.
It was built by convicts I have streets named after my family in Brisbane. It amazes me how they’re trying to rewrite it’s history.
The Suburb of McDowall is named after my great Grandfathers family,they were on the first settler ship to NZ,once the gold rush took off, one of the brothers moved over to try and strike it rich, a couple of other brothers followed. There were 13 children in that line.
You can see a section of the sewer network in the newish bus terminal near the Brisbane city hall.
@@Macca0085 Who are "they" and what history is being rewritten? It's common knowledge that stuff was built by convicts.
I just watched Spanian walking through sydneys worst suburbs now im watching Rob walking through my old neighbourhoods.
Under-rated youtube channel!
The point about the first memorial stone being an odd place to land is excellent. Having boots on ground can tell you so much.
Reminds me of a mate who was invited to invest in a tech startup in Melbourne. They had all the pamphlets, all the data, all the plans. The company said they were going to change the world and get rich. Before giving them even a cent, he drove to their listed address in person. There he found a grimey warehouse, and the only thing he saw through a shattered window was a few dozen bathtubs on pallets.
I was taught at school that Breakfast Creek was named by Oxley, when his exploring party beached there, consuming breakfast at the site,
and the name still stands to this day. A good friend of mine went to Breakfast Creek State School. I went to school just south from there at
Fortitude Valley Atate School. This area just near the CBD was named after the ship Fortitude, which carried Brisbane's first free settlers up
river to settle in that basin bounded by the Brisbane settlement, New Farm, Bowen Hills and Spring Hill.
Another great video :)
The story I've always heard about the Oxley Memorial is that everyone kinda knew that Oxley landed at the mouth of Western Creek. However, in 1924 (the hundredth anniversary) the local councils hadn't been joined together into Greater Brisbane yet, and Western Creek was the boundary between The City of Brisbane and The Town of Toowong. This was inconvenient because it allowed both councils to claim the landing point within their borders.
Looking to burnish their various municipal credentials, groups within each local area arranged their own hundredth anniversary memorials. Both memorials are ambiguously worded, and in the case of the North Quay memorial, backed up by a slightly hokey endorsement from the then president of the historical society.
It wasn't till 1988 that this little argument was resolved with a third memorial in the correct location :D
Incidentally, the Toowong memorial is near the corner of Milton and Sylvan Roads in Toowong.
@p1mason that's very interesting, and not some I have read in the history books. I'll note this.
An interesting topic for you to discuss and walk through is the Mayne Family and their considerable financial contribution to the founding of the University of Queensland. Their story is not well known because the source of their wealth originated when the father murdered a man and stole his money, he was suspected but never charged. His children never married and they left their fortune to the University. The story is told in the book called The Mayne Inheritance written by Rosamond Siemon, a very good book about the early days of Brisbane and how a poor Butcher used his illgotten gains to become a rich man....
Not only their source of wealth but also the fact that they were Irish seems to have played a big part on their anonymity in Brisbane's history. I've read 'The Mayne Inheritance'.
And now UQ is majority chinese owned an influencing Australian politics 😧
Brilliant book, and the Chinese influence is evident in Brisbane.
G'day Rob.
I've just stumbled across your You Tube channel accouple of week ago.
I have really enjoyed the history documentaries that you have done of Brisbane and other explorations of Queensland.
And thank you for all the dedication , energy and time that you have done.
One Sunday morning as I was walking by Brisbane waters I chanced to stay.
I heard a prisoner his fate bewailing, as on the sunny river bank he lay.
I am a native of Erin's island, transported now from my native shore.
They took me from my aged parents, and from the maiden whom I adore.
I've been a prisoner at Port Macquarie, and Norfolk Island and Emu Plains.
At Moreton Bay I have found no equal, excessive tyranny each day prevails.
I am old and hope to remember the other stanzas of this lament.
I enjoy wandering around Spring Hill. Lots of historical sites there. And lots of pretty parks.
Thank you. That was very interesting even for someone who has lived in Brisbane for over half a century. The downside of the beautiful Brisbane River is the enormous floods that occur periodically, such as 1893, 1930, 1974, and 2011.
@tasmanwalker8750 Thanks Tas! Appreciate the feedback. As for the floods, yes they are a natural part of life cycle of a river. Certainly, no evidence of a biblical flood here!
@@walkaboutwithrob yes, these floods are not of biblical proportions. But there is evidence of biblical scale catastrophe in the Brisbane area. The Woogaroo Subgroup is one. The Neranleigh Fernvale Beds is another. 😀
It becomes quite obvious when you look at kangaroo point that at one point in time it would have been neutral to the water level
@@tasmanwalker8750 I know that you are a young-earth creationist and you, for want of a better term, blindly follow whatever your policy makers decide. YEC is a very flexible, malleable and plastic thing that can used to 'prove' anything. And the beauty of it is that you don't really need to do any research. All you need to do is pull the wool over the years of the faithful just enough to convince them that your cult-like beliefs are true. Sorry, just telling it like it is.
For the first time, for me , you created a plausible, coherent narrative linking the move from Redcliffe to Brisbane.
Thanks!
In my schooling years, at the Fortitude Valley State School in Brookes Street, I learned that John Oxley and his crew came ashore
and breakfasted where a creek entered that broad reach of the Brisbane River at Newstead. Oxley then named the creek Breakfast
Creek. Fastforward, just before the Covid outbreak, my wife and I visited her birthplace of Italy. We travelled through Tuscany and
saw those mountains of marble that were the source of the marble used in the Brisbane City Hall. Approaching from a distance it
appeared to be snow on the mountain side. But the mountains are solid marble and absolutely beautiful.
I do like the fact that every year Redcliffe celebrates the 'founding' of Queensland at Redcliffe, but never mentions the 'This place SUCKS . . . We're all going to Brisbane' part.
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Why they left Redcliffe of the ridiculous mud flats of Brisbane is beyond me!!!
Thanks so much - in a world where so much history is ignored or forgotten your videos are a gift - much appreciated !
Aww thanks!
Good on ya Rob , another great yarn .👍🙏🇦🇺
The fact that brisbane built a freeway over all this early history is pretty telling of how this state views history
If those early founders could see it now and take a boat trip from the mouth of the river to up past Moggill somewhere, they would be jaw droppingly amazed wouldn't they. 😯
Great work Rob. I moved up here last year and I love your explanation of the founding of Brisbane, with Maps. I am fan of old survey maps, I worked 23 years, mainly in W.A. as an assistant surveyor. It took me a while to work out the depths in the early Moreton Bay maps are in fathoms.
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Another interesting bit of history about Brisbane that I didn't know. Fascinating to see how they found where to start a community in those days. Shame the memorials are so hard to get too. Good work again.
This is all older than 50% of the USA. The US West Coast wasn't settled until the 1850s
Awesome video once again mate.
And once again you went within metres of one of Brisbane’s coolest stormwater drains! Very cool.
that drains the water source used for the first settlement😊
Well made doco. I remember visiting the John Oxley monument in Brisbane and thinking "Really? He was looking for water here? What a stupid place to look for water".
Stopping by a creek makes way more sense.
Thanks for the info, it really helps tie together some of the snippets I have learned over time.
Good video Mate i am from Adelaide have been to Brisbane Twice, last time i was there was 1month ago best city in Australia the river is magnificent the water sports and boating is great the developments along the river and across to the south bank is world class the public transport and roads are fantastic tunnels into the city coming from the airport,underground busway accessed from the busy exciting queen street mall, soon there will be the train underground as well.Fortitude Valley amazing entertainment place same as the west end and south bank and along the city side of the river all the way to Howard Smith Wharves.Brisbane airport has won 10 awards in the last 10 years clean and friendly staff plenty of food and shopping.Brisbane has been voted twice in 10 years as one of the worlds best cities by international rankings.Within 1.30 minutes from Brisbane Inclusive you have 3.5 million people (Gold Coast,Sunshine Coast,Toowoomba ).In 2032 they will host the Olympics with a new Gabba stadium as well.
What an exciting place to live work and play and not to mention the people are very nice.
I going to have sound old or whatever, not really I am just 42. But having spent time in my 20's there and having a few other friends that lived there as well, one is in her late 30's. We all liked the old Brissy. Brisbane has grown so much now in the past 20 let alone 10 years, and just doesn't have the appeal to me anymore. Have family still living there but i really am not a fan anymore. In saying all that, it is my favorite City on the east coast out the big three ones.
Although the developments and cycling paths are great I can't agree with you overall Brisbane is sadly another example of Australian bad urban planning. It's built in the American model with highways and ring-roads linking everything even in close proximity to city centres. There are many characterless suburbs with huge blocks of land and nothing in between but franchises of Bunnings mega malls, surrounded by car parks.
Excellent video. I'm sure many Brisbane residents only have a vague idea of how the city was founded. This video certainly makes a difference. Thanks.
@chrispearce7684 thanks Chris! I didn't know the whole story either until I started researching it. Such a fascinating series of events.
Thanks Rob! I will discover the (Henry) Miller Park too. Was also a great pleasure to meet you whilst battling the wind at Redcliffe. You know l'm going to have to find that Moreton By fig...loved it Pal.
Very cool! Thank you!
Don't forget to watch in 4K!
Your recent stories look fantastic in 4K on my Sony OLED.
Their is a huge Scotch influence in the development of Brisbane. Andrew Petrie and family were instrumental in this.
Just from the thumbnail 😂i have to bring ur attention to a video from angry Christmas productions called the bloke who built Brisbane 😂its just brilliant
Loved it Rob, watched it on the big TV.. excellent as always.
I always do! On our 65" 4K TV. *I sent our male magpie ('DadPie'), to keep an eye on you, and also to offer his services as 1AD...However, he reported back, that you already had a full compliment of crew. 😅
To answer your question, yes, yes the founder of Brisbane town was indeed insane... how else could anyone explain building a town in the middle of a river delta and think it's a good idea haha
Your video & well researched content are amazing 🤩 Brilliant Rob, million of thanks 🙏 love the fascinating facts connecting places & people.
Wise reflections looking back & future 🤓& 😂 great sense of humor 😂 🎶love the music 🎶
I’ve been walking along Redcliffe, CBD, Milton and Newstead (along the river) and never paid attention to the history… never ever saw the Henry Miller park & the unknown pioneers memorial & beautiful painting about them💞 wow!!! Thanks again 🙏
@patriciaalonsobreier really glad you've seen this one, and thanks indeed for your wonderful feedback. The more I explore the more I realise that history is often right in front of us, we are just not tuned into it so we tend not to see it. The research for this one took longer than usual, but I really wanted to get it right. Anyway, thanks for watching and your lovely comments.
@walkaboutwithrob, Thanks for your reply, yes you are right. Your research was fascinating! We’ll done & keep filming & making videos !!! You are educating the community 🙏💞
What fascinating history- we really do take our home for granted! My own family is part of the early pioneers too- we shipped over from Scotland around 1850 (coming originally from Dundee where I believe we were based after the Highland Clearances) settling at the Cowan lighthouse in Northern NSW (our own 'Twist' family adventure #IYKYK) before moving inland to sheep stations in Miles & Injune. Still have distant rellies out there today.
Most interesting! I hope the family historian is on top of all that
Really enjoyed this Rob , funny I wasn’t interested in any of this stuff at High School or when I was younger , but you have sparked my interest in all You do , not only do I get enjoyment from watching ur work but I also learn many things about my own home Town
I was a bit scared by how close that truck was to you! And that maggie following you was a cute touch. Have you thought about doing a Q & A video? I see so many people ask you questions in the comments and I've seen other TH-camrs do them. Great video as always thanks Rob 😊
Great show Rob you are a history buff & thank you for sharing with us these stories of our history.
Got a little teary at the end, there!
Also the magpie scene was exceptional
That second stone definitely had a large river across the road because that street flooded extremely badly last year and it wasn’t water from the Brisbane river it was a catchment from the surrounding hills
Great vid. Enjoyed very much. Did not know about the number of monuments along the river. Husband knew about Miller Park as he used to walk through there whilst doing security patrols many years ago. Yes and husband said he walked through there pretty quickly, other guards back at base would make sure any guard who ventured down there returned, because of the un-savoury types who hung out there.
Thank you I'm a born and breed Queenslander I was born in Brisbane you taught be things about the beautiful state I live in I didn't know.
Just discovered this gem of a channel. Love the work, very informative. Thanks Rob!
A very good walking history. Brings back memories of a school project I did in year five.
An interesting side note is the first free settlement was the German mission at nearby Nundah (German for ‘now there’) in 1836, established three years before the penal colony closed in 1839, and five years before Moreton Bay was officially opened to free settlement in 1842. It would be great if you did a walking history in Nundah, especially the cemetery. Apparently Ludwig Leichhardt visited the settlement on his way through to his ill fated expedition.
I am thinking of a walk around Nundah...
Nice one Rob, being born in Brisbane hospital and raised in pine rivers, your little doccos do hold something special for me. When i say little, i'm quite aware the work that you have put in is itself not so small from the quality of your research. So thank you.
Just as a small aside, I have very cloudy memories of the last trams running through Brisbane and an adjunctive memory of cannon seed garden next to the road where the tram stop was. Plus I know I've seen you face somewhere else before but I suppose it's always been at the front of your head.
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The casino precinct... 😢.
Agree that the store will outlive it all.
Brisvagas, has been this POMS home for 52Years. Certainly not a country town anymore. So many memories of growing up in Brisy.
After 52 years I reckon you might be an Aussie now. My nan never saw herself as English after moving here. Always said she'd never move back
A very interesting short doco on the European settlement of Brisbane. As someone from Sydney who has moved up here, I know a lot about the European settlement at Sydney Cove and what eventually would become the Sydney metropolitan area. But I have no knowledge of Brisbane. This was a great little piece, of which I'll now go and do further research myself. Thanks for putting this together.
@adamjones1805 thanks indeed. I too am from Sydney. Really glad you found this doco of interest.
Hello Rob. We are new Queenslanders (16 months), although been to Brisbane a few times and walked around quite a bit. Mate, I found your story and visual tour bloody brilliant ! We have settled in Cairns btw. Love it. Previously from SA.
Many thanks for your great video. Cheers Colin.
Welcome to Queensland
@colindeer9657 you're more than welcome, thanks for watching!
Absolutely awesome, Rob. This was an education for me, and I thought I knew a bit about Brisbane's history. Cheers, mate.
I don’t know if the founder was insane, but the current Premier certainly is!
Great work! Really enjoyed it
11:23 it has a seagull's head for a beak, can not be unseen. What a handsome lad.
Ipswich (the called Limestone), was to be the Capital of Queensland, but the 1857 flood that was so deep at Ipswich, aprox 10 to 15 feet above the top of telegraph poles, a height not obtained in the 1893 flood. they decided that Limestone was not suitable to be the Capital, and moved that to Brisbane. (which used a lot of the Ipswich Limestone in many early buildings.)
Actually no, Ipswich was never meant to be the capital of Queensland. While there was talk in Ipswich, Cleveland and the Darling Downs about the possibility of it being the capital, nothing was ever done about it and the idea quickly fizzled out. Several factors influenced this: Cleveland was a hopeless port for goods from Ipswich. The coming of the railways which moved goods around faster, and the bar at the mouth of the Brisbane River was dredged allowing ships to come right up to the City.
@@walkaboutwithrob Actually yes, Ipswich was meant to be the capitol. Historically, the capitol was to be hosted in Ipswich in 1847 but due to the flooding, it was not deemed to be suitable for settlement. That's the reason why there's two cities in close proximity to each other within twenty minutes drive today. Due to those events, Brisbane became the capitol city, with Ipswich lagging behind in terms of development.
@@luminatrixfanfiction Could you please cite your sources that say Ipswich was meant to be the capital?
@@walkaboutwithrob There's a list of links on front page of google that cite Ipswich as being a prime candidate for being the capital. For example, discoveripswich website. Or Museum Victoria collections which talks about the municipality of Ipswich.
@@luminatrixfanfiction No, could you please cite your sources? That means you provide actual links to academic references.
Great video, very informative. I'm quite interested in the Greater Brissy Region history, my Warry family forebearers were colonial business people who got involved with the early QLD Legislative Assembly (one was Mayor) in the 1860s.
Thank you for posting your wonderful vlogs, I look forward to many more!
Rob, check out the book "Brisbane" by Matthew Condon. I think he has the answers to some of your questions. Another great video.
great video i learnt heaps about my own city's history very informative well put together
Glad you enjoyed it
Can you do a video on Seventeen Mile Rocks?
Your videos are awesome love your work!
I'm a descendant of Henry Miller. I found this very interesting. Thank you.
I'm a descendant of the first nations of Brisbane and I also found video very interesting. 😎👍
.y great grandmother last name Moreton and her grandmother was born Moreton island named Sarah Moreton. Fancy that.
I'm a descendant of microorganisms that grew around hydrothermal vents 3.7 billion years ago and i thought the video was ok.
have you done nundah, previously known as the german station. my 2 x great grandmother, annabella robinson guy... nee curr, married into the bridges family , under the name ` annie bailey`, after immigrating here with her father and 2 sons. its believed she used the false name when she married john bridges`, who i think was blind, cause my 2 x great grandfather was still alive in scotland. love to know more about nundah.
The German mission at Nundah was established in 1836, three years before the penal colony closed in 1839, and five years before Moreton Bay was officially opened to free settlement in 1842. ‘Nundah’ is German for ‘now there’. The pioneer cemetery at Nundah is fascinating. Ludwig Leichhardt is said to have visited the mission on his way through to his ill fated expedition.
Thanks for the great episode. It is notable that the military did not build on the flood plain (except for the commissariat store for obvious reasons). Shows a good understanding of the environment that the civilian administrators seemed to be ignorant of. I think the convict settlement was well planned, with the convict housed near the fields and well away from the genteel along the now William Street. The military barracks was positioned overlooking the convicts and in-between the convict population and the commandant and controlled areas, such as the commissariat store. There is a cool episode here for you Rob, walk the convict settlement (I'm tipping you are working on this already), point out the convict barracks and where the triangles were in Queen street, where Capt Logan dished out 100s of lashes, somewhere near the City Beach store I think.
This is great stuff. Thanks for putting together and sharing with us 👏
You do a great job Rob. Always a joy to watch and very informative.
Hey Rob I have just discovered your videos and thoroughly enjoying the history lessons. Rob I'm hoping you will do a Toowoomba walkabout at some stage, would love to learn more about it's history. Cheers Luke
Thank you for your studies. I really enjoyed it!
Interesting, never noticed the Milton stone.
I love these videos. Very professional, very well done.
Thanks Rob for another fascinating history trip!
Thoroughly enjoyed this Rob
I'm also going to book in with your sponsor tours
Thanks 😀
Not far from where the first memorial is there is a creek which enters the river - it's been diverted underground but it still enters the river as a small waterfall. The advantage of that site over the others is that the water is fresh right up to where it falls into the river.
Western Creek is still there, but largely undergrounded as well. Western and Breakfast creeks are both brackish and unsuitable for drinking quite a distance upstream (obviously in the present day it's all unsuitable from pollution).
Great video, really interesting - I'm going to dive into more of your content now that TH-cam has shown me :)
Really enjoyed the video mate. Well done!
Absolutely loved this one mate, great work keep em coming ❤️
@tegansmiley8905 thanks! Really enjoyed making this one. Next one will be Runcorn.
I love seeing the parts of forgotten Brisbane like you showed in this video The memorials are historical as the events surrounding them. Another great video!
Thanks for this -- very interesting and entertaining. I kind of wish they'd founded Brisbane 100km further south, on the Tweed River. Overlooked by Mt Warning and the border ranges and with pristine sandy beaches, Brisbane would've been a more attractive city IMO. But the river was a bit too narrow, I guess.
Or the pristine sandy beaches would have gone the way of the past sandy beaches of the Brisbane River, and the whole area would have been subject to all of the digging and traffic and sewage and rubble that comes with a city, and have become nothing like the lovely spot it has instead remained.
A very good video. Thanks Rob.
Brisbane is just a heated slab of concrete idk how your walking around in that heat
I’m a Sydney Westie, we are a tough breed.
@@walkaboutwithrob Hahaha understandable
awesome, thanks for your content.
Amazing content Rob!
Thank you!
One of your best vlogs yet. What a pity that some of these memorials are in such terrible locations. Looking forward to what's next. Have you seen the church at Mundoolun?
Very informative Rob. Great vlog. Enjoyed the history ❤
Really enjoyed this mate, thankyou! Learned a lot even as a Brisbane resident
That’s very interesting content Rob. Love Brisbane
Thanks Rob 👍😀 Very well researched and very well and entertainingly presented. Im impressed with the way you braved the noise of North Quay and that your microphone 🎤 gave good sound quality 👍
Thanks! The mic on the DJI OSMO camera is excellent.
Thanks, Rob. Very interesting. I have lived in Brisbane for 42 years but I was unaware of most of the stuff you told us.
There was geophysical research done on that grave site by UQ. They did an interesting talk on it.
What did they find there?
@@becsterbrisbane6275 in the presentation I went to (at the Gold Coast museum in Bundall where they did a study as well), they explained they found likely graves, and were able to count them. This was over two years ago so my memory isn't good enough to remember how many, but it was an excellent presentation.
Thanks for making this fantastic video.
New subscriber - just found your channel. What a great video - very well laid out and presented. Thank You Rob :)
Welcome aboard!
Wonderful video my sir.
Fantastic video, thanks for sharing
thankyou 😊👍🏻 yet another excellent and very informative video 😊
Very informative. Thank you
Rob, I loved this video. I have had the Oxley Memorial in my psyche since childhood and grew up in Toowong. I have now followed some sort of dream and live in Milton almost at the memorial of which you speak so I feel very contented that you have pointed it out. There is something about the lie of the land and the place of Milton that feels incredibly right for a history lover. Thanks for your detailed video.
Very interesting… well done Rob !
Nice video mate thanks
Thank you, fabulous insights.
Good and educational video. Thank you 😊
love your work Brus
That was great mate , thank you
Video request: How the Queensland-NSW border was drawn, or decided. It feels like the most inconvenient border in Australia, but is it illogical? They certainly thought so in 2020-2021, but I’d like to know why watersheds were chosen instead of rivers. Unless Murwillumbah was already in the way, surely the Tweed River was a better border, follow it to its source and continue in a straight line west as per the choice they made already. Either way it’s this weird mix of simple versus practical, straight line versus geography, but thanks to the proximity of Brisbane it feels very short-sighted to have a land border instead of a river border.
……the QLD-BSW border actually runs down the middle of the runway at OOL airport………
@@elizabethroberts6215 I know - it’s less of an impact than it sounds! Totally prohibited for the public. But it still didn’t make this land tract a good idea 100+ years earier
I've just discovered your channel .
Loving learning about our city
If you are mobile, take a Brisbane Greeters tour to learn more.
Good one Rob learnt a lot from you Onya Mate
Nice job Rob thanx mate
Thanks mate! love the videos
Interesting video. Thanks mate, from Redcliffe.
I really enjoyed this. I lived in Brisbane for 2 years in the early 2000s. Loved the city but I couldn’t handle the humidity. Thanks for teaching me more about the city I love.