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Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.
Agnostic her.e Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven. I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff
@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.
I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.
Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.
thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more
I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.
@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking TH-camrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.
Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂
It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.
I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.
@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.
@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.
You could do a bunch of other ones like this too. Did Moses exist? Did he write the Torah? Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic? What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh? Really it's a wealth of material.
"Did Moses exist?" ...nope "Did he write the Torah?" ...nope "Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic" ...yep, as Judah Maccabee was a jewish priest...son of a priest "What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh?" ...too dumb to educate yourself, so I'll do it for you! "Instead of preserving a Jewish identity, the group of Samarians that had settled on Elephantine Island developed a Jewish identity. They became Jews, initially not by choice but by circumstance...." Need any more, or did your RELIGIOUS propaganda hit a dead end?
@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .
I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite TH-camr more than his wife.
You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel. Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;
Jesus' most useful idea is that we should care about one another. We shouldn't nurse hatred or treat each other cruellly. Instead, we should put aside resentments and be courteous, positive and understanding where possible. We also shouldn't act superior: we have our faults just like other people do. We should avoid racism, snobbery and exploitation.
@@hidingbehind7256 An now, especially here in the US, things have devolved into madness. People who invoke Jesus but don't act ANYTHING like he would say.
And remember to forgive your enemies. As I understand it, if you do not forgive (and repent ) , there will come a crucial time when G-d will never have known you.
I'm glad you put this together regardless of your own beliefs. However I am astounded at the veracity of people's comments, not ro mention how poorly people treat each other online. We are people who live real lives, we shouldn't be involved in petty pissing contests. I don't care if you're right or wrong, you are not justified in being pompous and abrasive.
My thought has always been that Jesus’s disciples must have really believed he was the Son of God, or else they all wouldn’t have been quite so willing to go out preaching His word knowing that it would, in all probability, lead to their persecutions & deaths. They happily went to their deaths one by one & never chose to walk away. That takes great strength & great belief in what they saw & heard while they were with Him. So though I have never doubted He existed & that He was a great teacher, I have to wonder, was He truly the Son of God, or simply a very charismatic man?
Not necessaritly the son of god, but after his death, they certainly started to think that he had been some divine figure. The whole son of god aspect appears to be a later result of the theological disputes that would ensue.
The extent to which Christians were persecuted in the Roman world is generally overstated by modern Christians. That's not to say there was none, but for the most part the Romans ran a diverse empire that worked precisely because it tolerated local customs as long as they didn't interfere with Roman administration.
Up through about the 4th Century, the prominent competitor to Christianity was Orphism. I'd like to see y'all do a video about that! And of course, as hilariously explored in "Life of Bryan," the reality that there were many who claimed the role of the pending Messiah.
@@KingPingviini Sure, but which one? There are others who claim others, and there is a majority of people in the world who say none of them were particularly true.
@@Eng_Simoes But, given it was filmed within many here's lifetimes, and we have the footage, is it more or less real than a Jesus known only from a handful of writings from 2000 years ago, written by people born after the date of his alleged death?
This is extremely interesting but the part that Josephus decided that everybody should pretty much commit roman seppuku and then on his turn he was like ''' ah changed my mind'' just stole the show for me.
There's also the logical conclusion that he meant for that to happen and convinced his fellow Roman's to die in exchange for a favorable outcome. Not unheard of anyhow.
Very well presented. I learned some news things and I had thought myself relatively well studied on this question. Kudos. I must watch and share more of your videos.
Check out Professor James Tabor. He's taught at Notre Dame, William and Mary, and UNC Charlotte. He also helped find the Talpiot tomb. Jesus' family tomb, with a Joseph, two Marrys, a James brother of Jesus, a Jesus, and even a Judas son of Jesus. There's also a chevron and circle above the entrance. An EARLY sign used to designate the Christ.
@@billbrownii469 You can't be serious........ His entire "history" of the faith is conjecture at best, and total fabrication at worst. He has little to no evidence for most of what he claims and his "documentarian" he partners with claims to have found Atlantis as well. Tabor just uses credentials to try and bolster credibility of his pet theories and doesn't do any real academic work. There's very good reason he has sold a lot of books with bold claims for titles, but has basically nothing published in peer reviewed journals.
Lucky duck! My up next is Simon asking, "What was Hitler like as a child? And was his grandfather really Jewish?" I know I don't have to click on it, but it does sound OH so fun! 😂
My gray lionhead bunny's name is Gandalf. When I saw your comment, I automatically thought of my bunny and wondered why anyone would make a video about my rabbit. 😅I guess it's time to step away from the internet.
I’m an atheist, and it doesn’t matter to me whether Jesus existed or not. What I have issue with are people claiming that he is divine, son of god blah blah blah. People claim this without evidence. And go even further, by getting offended if this topic even comes up. Jesus exists as much as Zeus exists. Just because a lot of people believe he existed. Isn’t evidence of him existing.
Are you serious in the first sentence “ it doesn’t matter wether Jesus existed or not” j”ust because a lot of people beloved he existed isn’t evidence of his existence. Brother there are numerous historical writing of historical figures that are taught about on college campuses
It is not up for debate on whether or not he existed. Jesus existed and was a real person. There are more documents written about Jesus than there was about Alexander the Great, but no-one questions whether or not Alexander existed. Also the documents were recorded centuries after Alexander's death. Jesus and the events of his life were recorded as soon as a couple decades after his crucifixion. By far the most recorded person of that time was Jesus.
What if it turns out he is reality? What then? .. he shows up, many in ignorance did not believe, then he shows up! Too late then, blessed are those who believed in him, without ever seeing him, before the unbelievers are shown! They have their reward!
Know ye the signs of the times of his return, that the bible Prophesied long ago? Uncanny! So, these dudes knew in advance they were gonna be martyred and suffer and die guaranteed....... ....and they still went and did the work?!?!! There must've been alot of money in it for em? What was their real incentive, to keep up this particular faith? Insanity? Or conviction?
I wasn't really certain what to expect from this video on today of all days, but then it occurred to me that Simon probably doesn't have that kind of fine control over the release schedule.
In prehistoric times, recording significant events and beliefs required immense effort, such as carving into stone or creating cave paintings, a testament to the value and permanence sought in these records. Contrastingly, our knowledge of figures like Jesus primarily comes from texts, notably the Bible, reflecting a shift towards textual preservation of knowledge. While words can be more easily altered than stone carvings, the lasting influence of these narratives is significant. This raises questions about the historical portrayal of Jesus - whether his contemporaries viewed him as significant or if his charismatic and fictionalized paranormal traits were amplified over time through textual revisions. The enduring, labor-intensive prehistoric records stand in stark contrast to the evolving narrative of Jesus, possibly indicating different perceptions of significance in their respective eras.
I imagine both. Some of the early writing about Jesus would have been done not long after the time he walked the Earth. They synoptic gospels were decades later, and John's account significantly later, but it is accepted that they refered to earlier texts. There were several other "gospels" or accounts about Jesus that were not chosen as Biblical canon. But I do find the contrast between accounts with time telling. Some of the earlier accounts were almost exclusively messages, more philisophical, purpoted to be from Jesus. The synoptic gospels mix early messages of his moral teachings with narrative of his life. John, written much later, openly admits "these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God" and most of the text is about the supernatural, even divine, nature Jesus had. I guess it reflects the changing nature of early Christians. From a Jewish sect that respected his teachings to a separate religion based on the divinity of the figure.
Correct, but whether someone found something significant and recorded it. Is a magnitude separate from whether it's true. The Epic of Gilgamesh was written before the Bible. Did local Mesopotamians find the story significant? And is it true? The same questions can be asked about pyramids, fertility statues, druid circles, etc... And even if we have contemporary writing, it's not certain that the individual existed. If I remember correctly there's debates about whether a certain greek philosopher existed.
it is virtually impossible to make an argument against Jesus without either denying all of history or resorting to conspiracy theories (like your comment), the fact is we have more avaialble material and attestations for Jesus (by the hundreds of thousands) than all other historical documents combined, and the fact that he changed the world more than anyone else (our entire callendar is based on him)
@@tomq6491 you are talking conspiracy theories again... the four gouspels of the new testament were all written in the 1st century by contemporaries, the gnostic gospels were later forgeries, and this is also the majority view of all scholars and historians
When you look at things though, there really isn't anything genuinely corroborating the existence of the legendary figure. It's too simplistic to state "oh, well, if you go by hard evidence, nobody ever existed!" There are literally NO contemporary accounts from the time that he supposedly lived which even reference him. Yet, we have many historical figures who at least have more than one account from a contemporary third party who mention that individual. The first references we get are secondhand 50+ years later in the Bible. You would think that with someone as influential as Jesus, that *somebody* notable would have taken the time to figure out who the Nazarene rabble-rouser was. I for one, remain skeptical that this mythological figure genuinely existed in the manner ascribed to him in the Bible.
I find early christianty and islam some of the most interesting subjects in history. So much mystery and sometimes weird takes on the religions we know today.
ah, but what do you think of the actual historical history? As the religious accounts do not match the historical record in key areas, especially in Islam.
@@tommyrotton9468 They most definitely do not contradict. Unless you remove Verses from Qorsn and bible without context. Guarantee you did not read either books
@@OBsurdityTV I'm afraid your lack of knowledge in the subject only shows your devotion to the religious narrative and ignorance of the counter arguments.
@@jefflebowski918 Well you can't trust the Bible as impartial evidence or even accurate, so don't quote that. So where else would you get your historical evidence from?
Can we submit ideas for topics here? I'd really like to know the story of the arrangement of letters on keyboards (I recall learning a *second* keyboard arrangement when in class, but I've never seen it since)! Why aren't the keys simply arranged alphabetically? Hope to see a vid on this someday!
An in depth video would be cool but the super basic explanation, if I remember correctly, is that they arranged the more heavily used letters of the English language in a way to reduce jams on type writers (the little letter stampers could get jammed together)
Typical yootoob noob. Wants to be spoon fed. Why not use a search engine, show you have the ability to research instead of wanting daddy bird to feed you... and go find the EASILY found out answers for YOURSELF... lamer
Letters are arranged in a way that makes more heavily used letters easier to access, with less hand movement. That's why there is dozens if not hundreds of keyboard layouts, since practically every language (and sometimes even multiple per language depending on the zone, like US-English versus British-English) has their own layout, since they use different letters differently often and the symbol keys are also different (for example British English has a British Pound Symbol, US doesn't).
@2:20 - If that's the rubric being used (referring to the total lack of evidence that some shmo existed)... wrong... we would not have to conclude that no-one existed bla bla bla.... the rational conclusion is that 'we do not have sufficient reason to believe that xxx person existed'. stating that the 'lack of evidence' is 'what you would expect for some random street preacher in 1st century judea' is fine; but that cannot be considered 'evidence' that he did in fact exist: because we would expect the exact same lack of evidence to exist for someone that didn't exist at all.
@@chris24hdez that's the opposite of what the video is claiming - they are literally arguing that since we 'wouldn't expect to find evidence' then that should somehow be considered evidence that the claim is true... That is absolute rubbish.
You're not wrong... but the point was that there is a lot of evidence that Jesus exists, to the same extent that there is evidence that anyone of that time period exists, so the lack of direct proof is not a valid reason to completely disregard the possibility, which a lot of people try to claim it is... mostly because they want to be able to say that Jesus didn't exist, despite the fact that he is as well documented as basically anyone else back then.
@@dannykent6190 He is not as well documented, he is a lot more documented. A also funny thing you see in the bible is that it is historically accurate. Take when moses crosses the sea -> we have found archeological evidence for that. Take the solar eclipse that has happened at the time of his death proven by nasa scientist for example as well. So yes I believe it is true. Also most things back in that era were communicated via word of mouth also it takes a while to write a book especially as a peasant. So it makes sense the books came out later.
@@dannykent6190 Except that isn't true. The Emperor at the time was Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, & apologists like to say there's as much evidence of him as Jesus by arguing that details of his life come primarily from a handful of biographies written decades later; however, that's dishonest because it ignores the many pieces of physical evidence, like coins minted with his likeness & hieroglyphs in Egypt bearing his name. It ignores that he waged wars we have archaeological evidence of. He had descendants & ancestors we can also trace because we know their names. We even have houses he lived in. You might say that's not a fair comparison because of course there would be more evidence for the Emperor, but I remind you that the claim was that there's a lot of evidence relative to ANY figure from Jesus' s time. I'd say the Emperor who reigned when he lived was during his time, & there's far more evidence of him. And that's far from the only misinformation in this video. It's very clear that they, probably unknowingly, used mainly Christian apologists as sources because they use a lot of arguments that aren't used in any other context. For example, they take for granted that people would just "check" if lies were being spread about Jesus. Even assuming they wanted to, how? So you know he supposedly has a brother named James who lives in a certain city? How is that enough information to track him down? Never even mind that very few citizens would have the means to travel for months, because remember this is before cars or trains, away from their jobs & families, just to fact check some random smalltown preacher they probably wouldn't have heard of anyway. Another discredited argument is the "criterion of embarrassment," the idea that people wouldn't include details in a fictional story that embarrass them. But this is well-known to be highly flawed because (A) you can't assume ancient people had the same idea of what would be embarrassing as you & (B) they may have motives to add those details, such as to enhance believability or make a specific theological point. And if you want to accuse me of "wanting to be able to say that Jesus didn't exist," note that at no point did I describe him as "allegedly" or "supposedly" existing. There are things that lead me to the conclusion that Jesus probably existed. But that person with all the numbers is absolutely correct that "we have reasons to expect the evidence to be hard to find, so therefore, that itself counts as evidence" isn't one of them. It's a bad argument. A lot of these are bad arguments. So, what do I think is a good argument? Well, we have letters from Paul. Someone had to write them, & someone had to be responsible for the idea that you could be gentile & a Christian, since it was originally seen as an offshoot of Judaism. Since Paul claims in his letters that he was doing just that, it makes sense that he was a real person, not a fake name for a narrator character. In fact, Paul claims to have gone to speak with other church leaders, most notably James the brother of Jesus & the disciple Peter, to work out this dispute. So, if Jesus was fictional, how would we explain James? It doesn't seem like Paul would make up a close relative of Jesus to argue with. Was someone already pretending to be the fake Jesus's brother, & his status was just so cemented Paul had no choice but to go along with it? I guess it's possible, but it doesn't seem very likely. Or there's the fact that a very convoluted story was written to make Jesus be born in Bethlehem, which makes complete sense if he was actually a real person known to be from Nazareth & then writers later had to make up a reason why he was totally born in Bethlehem to fulfill Messianic prophecy. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that the writer of Matthew seems to believe there WAS a Messianic Prophecy saying Jesus would be called a Nazerene, but since no record of that prophecy has been found anywhere, it's entirely possible he just made that up. Which, again, would support the idea that they had to create justifications for fulfilled prophecies around a real person whose life didn't always conveniently match up. I still don't think it's the best evidence, but I am comfortable saying I think it at least convinces me that the fictional character explanation is at least more difficult to square than the historical Jesus one. But the point remains I'd like to base my conclusions on solid evidence, & a lot of this video really wasn't.
At first I thought that the title was an April fool's joke, as he couldn't possibly be talking about something more polarizing than politics. But this is an amazingly well put together video. It's interesting hearing about this from atheists. Even if it doesn't say much about whether Jesus was truly the Son of God, or essentially just a cult leader.
I wonder the odds that a modification was done to fill in text missing from a damaged source, then someone who had a source with that text intact noted the modification without realizing why but assumed or others assume a deliberate alteration.
No. Text was hand copied over, and over again, and the original copy does not exist. The additions were made by someone copying (probably a copy) of the text. He decided to add clarification. Then that text was copied, etc....
I think it's wild when people talk about history in the perspective of "weeeelll the author might have wrote it a few hundred years after" that's like me writing about the Russo-Persian War (1722-1723) today. I had to Google that, something they would not have had haha.
You’ve also ignored the strong oral tradition of Jews back in the day, which can still be seen even today. Obviously, early Christians were largely made of former practicing Jews so they likely also maintained that tradition. Additionally, most historical sources are like this anyways.
@@ceker2363 *the strong oral tradition of Jews back in the day* Wonder why Paul was complaining about all the different "Jesus" being taught in his day if oral tradition was so strong and accurate. It obviously wasn't.
@@druidriley3163 This is because Jesus was for Gentiles and Jews, which was an early Christian debate. The fact that we even know about these differences and that we know Paul complained is evidence that a large change feasibly couldn’t have occurred.
@@ceker2363 *This is because Jesus was for Gentiles and Jews* That doesn't support the obvious lack of accurate oral tradition that you brought up. *The fact that we even know about these differences and that we know Paul complained is evidence* No, that's not evidence for that at all. It's evidence for the opposite.
Interesting. I knew about the sources you mentioned, of course. I think Josephus is perhaps the most important (once one gets rid of the obviously corrupted passage), although it is still plausible that he's repeating things he heard or read elsewhere - by the time he's writing, at least two of the gospel novels had been published. This is even more true for Tacitus (who was not above inventing things in his histories - like his descriptions of the Germans - to make points about targets in his own society) and Seutonius. I personally thing Jesus the wandering preacher existed, although I think one could still make a plausible case that he didn't. I don't believe the miracle stories, but that's a whole separate issue.
@@stpat7614 True. He's writing third-hand. We don't really know what his sources were (since citing sources was not a thing back then). He's as close in time as whoever wrote "Luke," whose sources we also largely don't know. I expect, given his position and relationships, that he may have had access to whatever records the Sanhedrin and the temple priests may have kept - at least whatever of those records survived the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans. Beyond that, he'd have had to take stories passed down among his relatives and acquaintances. So we really don't have a direct way to assess the quality of his research.
"I personally thing Jesus the wandering preacher existed," -a Christian with no proof of their claims "I don't believe the miracle stories, but that's a whole separate issue." -a person who believes the MYTH of 'jesus', yet denies the veracity of the same source's claims of miracles Double think, a tenet of Christianity
@@kennethc2466believing a preacher named Jesus existed and was assassinated for causing trouble is not believing the myth of Jesus. There are several historical figures who are associated with magical events and no one denies their existences.
@@weslleyfj "believing a preacher named Jesus existed and was assassinated for causing trouble is not believing the myth of Jesus." Ah, yes it is, as it is the ONLY SOURCE.
This is clearly a very popular video, and the consensus in the comments is he nailed and, Jesus was 100% real. But I’m confused about one huge claim made very early on: that virtually no historic figure was written about in their lifetime, so don’t worry about it, that’s normal, don’t talk about it again. And it’s implied that we’d have to question if ANYONE ever existed, because no huge important person was ever talked about in their time … Ummm…. Really? Who? I’m asking seriously now. What other major significant historical figure was NEVER written about until about 50 years after they died, and those writings then are not even first hand accounts? Who? Cleopatra (born about 100 years before Jesus) was written about constantly. Caesar was a writer himself, and had much written about him. Alexander the Great. Even Genghis Khan. I honestly can’t find a single important historical figure that wasn’t written about in their lifetime, and none of these people walked around performing wondrous miracles curing people and bringing back the dead. You think that’d be all anyone wrote about, and yet … total silence. I’m sorry but this can’t be moved on from quite so quickly and dismissively.
Personally, I think Jesus wasn't that important of a historical figure during his time. It was just another Jewish cult in the eyes of most people, probably not the first nor the last. So it is less likely that people would care to write about him. Meanwhile, the people you mentioned were all very important folks. Cleopatra was a queen. Caesar was, well, Caesar. Alexander and Genghis Khan were some of the greatest conquerors of human history. Jesus just became very important as the centuries went by, but I don't think he was that relevant of a person during his lifetime.
@@LeoVital Jesus was said to have raised the dead, had a huge following, performed countless miracles, gave epic talks and teachings that influenced all around him. Perhaps born a nobody, the story is that he didn’t die a nobody. I mention Cleopatra merely because she was around at roughly the same time period. But my point is more-so that Every. Single. Historical. Figure. was written about in great length during and immediately after their lifetime. Not absolute radio silence for the entire time they're alive, and 50+ years after they die. Not a single pen to parchment, no chisel to rock - nothing was ever written about Jesus for 80 years, including his life and after his death. (And when it was, it was only by second-hand accounts.) This is NOT normal, like this video so quickly suggests. People wrote about Homer, Confucius, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - none of whom were kings or queens. And none raised the dead in dramatic fashion. The writer Livy wrote almost 200 books about random everyday Romans, for example. As for Jesus’s popularity, the story isn’t that he died in obscurity, but that he had amassed a sizeable following. Bible scholars believe he had about 1,000 followers in his lifetime, and it exploded immediately after his resurrection. In context, the planet had a tiny fraction of our population today. Nazareth was said to have just had one hundred people in it, for example. So he had a following that spanned multiple cities till his death, and then even more after that. And yet… silence. Not a single word from anyone, ever.
Alexander the Great. Arrian wrote 500 years after his death, the difference being Arrian told us who he was & discussed his sources in great detail. He used the accounts of two of Alexander's generals who fought alongside him. Those works are no longer extant.
I don't understand why we can't hold a higher standard of evidence for the son of God which is also God who had magic powers, controls everything, and who created everything. The phrase is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" and so far we get random stories from random people and a few relics that people say are real but there's no proof of anything in them? We have never held those who claim he's reql at higher standards not even the normal standards because for some reason us pointing out that none of the "evidence" is actually so is offensive to them and the worst thing you could do. If God and Jesus are so amazing and powerful but can't hold up to extreme scrutiny then they are not what people say they are.
There is extraordinary evidence for Gods existence all throughout the sciences; this complex and ordered reality cannot exist without a creator with intelligence and intent. Also Jesus can be further verified by the 300+ prophecies he fulfilled from the Old Testament, along with all of the archeological findings that verify the Old Testament as being an accurate record of history. “The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” - Werner Heisenberg, 1932 Nobel laureate and father of quantum mechanics
If Jesus provided even just a fraction of 1% more to his existence and identity, from the past or in the current modern world, it would unfavorably co,mpromise mankind's free moral will, reducing mankind into nothing more than scared robots. (this is just one big reason, but there are others, the actual reason expressed, is actually poorly referencing a large apologetic doctrine called ( The Hiddeness of God) to sum it up quick and dirty, there is obvious reasons, why God is not at mankind's beck and call for to prove his existence, every year of every decade, and so on,
in all my years ive heard very silly responses and thats the best you can come up with? Freedom, along with free will. is an ILLUSION. everything is privilege. there is nuthin free. hay soos wont show up because he doesnt exist. that simple @@flolou8496
There is a great sci fi story about a troubled man who builds a time machine to go find Jesus and finds him instead to be a severely mentally challenged person, and is never going to start anything, and so decided to become Jesus himself.
Many historians and philosophers are born after the person they write about died. Futhermore, many of the sources they had available in the 1st century AD have been lost so they had access to material we do not have available. Should be question whether J.R.R Tolkien was an actual man or was "he" used by a cabal of writers as a face for their fictional universe?
We would definitely watch the crucifixion of some dude in a bespoke coffee shop. We'd watch it live on Kick, probably while placing bets on how quickly he goes from talking about his dad to calling for his mom.
He's perfect for just switching to full a.i TH-cam controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use
I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)
When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition. Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.
And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?
@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
@@mountainmonkey15 funny that you'd mention that. My family and i are supposedly descendents of Caesar III. Gonna have to verify that while I'm at it. Might as well watch the battle of Troy. I heard Achilles was 4'11“. Might as well take a look at the battle of thermopile too. Gonna have to see if this 300 vs 1 million thing is true. I'm gonna do a count.
@@RS-Amsterdam I'm also gonna tell myself not to sell those 2000 bitcoins when they reach 10 cents and to wait until 2014 to sell 500 of them and sell the rest in March of 2024. I had 147 million dollars of coin that I sold for $200. Biggest mistake of my life. I don't like talking about it. Lesson learned. I make 700k a year so life ain't so bad.
I met a Gabriel at my university years back. While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.
@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.
Those who deny Jesus are like those that deny climate change. That's a really weird statement to hear as an American, as here, those who are most likely to believe in Jesus are also those most likely to deny climate change.
Just the existence of Jesus. Not the son of God, just a man named Jesus. He's just saying that both climate change exists and a man named Jesus (no miracles) that lived back then existed. Nobody is saying he had Jedi powers or anything, just a carpenter.
@@dannycarlow8204yep internet atheists keep denying his existence. but his historiography is as much as alexander the great or caesar. There was a jew named jesus that existed and was crucified. Was he the magic man people say he is? Iunno
...AmuriKKKan Fundie Xtians cling to either (or both) "Certainties" on the subject of Climate-Change: That god won't ALLOW Humanity to Degrade Earth's EcoSystems to the point where our planet can no longer sustain Life, or; That god will permit/allow/encourage Humanity to Rape, Pillage & Plunder Earth's natural resources (per god's supposed 'Granting Man DOMINION over all animals, vegetables & minerals) -- to support Fruitful Human Multiplication...and at the Very Last Moment when All of Earths EcoSystems start collapsing in Holy Unison, BIG-DADDY god -- flanked on His right by JUNIOR & on His left by THE SPOOK -- will Ride to the RESCUE to the blare of Heavenly Trumpets..! And when NEITHER occurs -- and Earth's Climate goes Un-Stopably OUT OF CONTROL, "Good Xtians" will start pointing fingers- and casting Blame upon those who "Didn't BELIEVE Strongly Enough" to secure god's "Involvement"..! And the FINAL HOLY WAR will have Begun...
Climate change politically is just a tool to divide and control with. The earth's resources are finite but replenished in cycles, but we're using them too fast. The climate is out our control and everything changes in nature. It's normal. There is no crisis..
@@dannycarlow8204 well keep in mind Yesuha (Joshua) would be a very common name back then, especially given that in the original Hebrew Bible, there were two figures that were named Joshua. The only thing that allows you to distinguish between the two was the slightly different spelling and the time frame between the change for one of the characters in the name.
The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.
@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.
@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.
@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.
I don't think anyone really can deny that humans do have an effect on the environment. We just wanna know why the same people panicking over the imminent end of the world still own their beachfront properties, and fly their private jets everywhere, and only ever bother the lowest emission countries and leave the worst offenders alone, and blame average people for the world's problems instead of massive corporations that actually cause the problems...
@diqweed69 Because they are the same people who don't segregate their trash, which is like 5 min max - because they don't want to spend the precious 5 minutes.
Its not tho. To the extent that there is evidence it suggests that Jesus was a real person with a real ministry. Its not academically justified to completely deny that there was an apocalyptic preacher called Yeshua (or whatever)who was from Nazareth who was crucified by the Romans. Doesnt mean he was god, it just mean that the myth is based on a real person. There is considerably MORE evidence for man made climate change but categorically they are both academically justified and denial of either of them amounts to a kind of zealousness rooted in personal bias and in contradiction to the evidence.
Yeah it is going to bring out the monsters for sure, for there is absolutely no way they can even entertain the existence of someone who has more than twice the brains and balls they do.
Obi wan was far more powerful than Jesus. Jesus can't even force ghost someone like Ben did so we could know what he looks like at the very least? Jesus' powers are weak.
Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus, We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ, We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World, Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel, ----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who has sent me.” [John 7:16] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: --------------------
@@HasanUnknown "Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, " So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus. Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.
I like to think of it like this. Egyptian pharaohs existed and they were considered a form of god. Yet, they were simply a man/woman. Nothing truly special about them. No special gifts, etc. I see Jesus as the same. A simple man with no special gifts, etc. He happened to have a convincing story that led many to follow his teachings. I don't believe he is the son of God or God himself or had any divine connection them any of the sort. Same as Egyptian pharoahs. As the Egyptian beliefs in different gods and religions, Christianity will too one day vanish to the test of time.
There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.
@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.
It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.
One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.
Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.
I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this. I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.
@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)
@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?
Jesus in fact did exist. The stories of him are hundreds of years after his lifetime. The stories are questionable at least and the rest results of obsessing over them. 2000k years of differing views and religious factions are getting us nowhere and someone rich,
It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs.. Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.
@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.
@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?
I'm sorry. Most of your videos are quite good, but this one doesn't stand up. I have read a lot of historical fiction. Here's an example: Little Big Man by Thomas Berger. Now in Little Big Man the main character Jack Crabbe meets up with many historical figures who really did exist: Custer and Wild Bill Hicock, for example. He participates in events that really did happen: Sand Creek massacre, the Battle of Little Big Horn. All those things happened, but Jack Crabbe is entirely fictional as are other main characters in the book. The fact that some things did exist at the supposed time of Jesus's life is not evidence that Jesus also existed. And, in fact, there are anachronisms and things that did not happen that are mentioned. There's literary evidence that some of the Gospel writers had access to Josephus's Wars of the Jews as the basis for some of the historical setting and flavor. I know the litany that will come up: Tacitus, Pliny's questioning of Christians, etc. The question isn't whether "Christians" existed, that is well-established. The question is whether early followers of Christianity were the disciples of a preacher Jesus from Nazareth. There are other explanations for the existence of an early Christian cult, such as Paul's belief in a heavenly figure (which is the earliest form of the belief that we have extant). Here's how that theory goes: The merging of Platonist beliefs from the Greek world with Jewish beliefs resulted in a belief in a heavenly intercessor. You can find mention of this figure in Philo of Alexandria's works, mentioned as the logos, or the Word. This figure interceded on the behalf of humanity with a distant God. Indeed, this figure "took away the sins of the world" by becoming a heavenly sacrifice thereby replacing the need for the Temple sacrifice (see Hebrews for a description on the heavenly sacrifice). This is the figure that Paul believed in. Jesus Christ (literally "Anointed Savior") descended to earth from heaven, traveling through the heavenly layers where he was crucified by evil powers, the principalities, the Archons who failed to recognize him (See 1 Corinthians 15). By this sacrifice, Jesus atoned for the sins of mankind (and also took on the honorific "Jesus Christ"). This is all from New Testament sources. Later, this figure becomes euhemerized (see Richard Carrier's works on this). I'm not saying which theory, if either is true, but I am saying that the question of the existence of Jesus should consider both theories fully.
@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts. He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery. But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy" It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host
I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.
That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting
@THE-X-Force The segment was rally focused on all the writings past Jesus's death (about 20 years past or so). The video was consistent on the fact that the were writings talking about the allegory after the fact. The story was not an original ( song of God, from a virgin...).
@@scambammer6102 I agree with you but you should try to give reason to why you believe what you believe to get someone to at least view your point as feasible. Like the fact that fact then the letter "J" wasn't in Hebrew language, meaning when there were translations made from Hebrew to English, which you can't do directly, some people added what they wanted (I. E. John Calvin, The NKJV, etc.). This is a journey we are all on, let us all help eachother get closer to the truth
Im not a believer, but I always figuredhe was a real guy. After researching all thes scholars and historians that do seem to believe he was a real person, the more i doubt. There was no doubt some guy named jesus which was a very common name, running around at that time, probably many dudes named Jesus would have been crucified since that was acommon punishment. Definitley not enough to dedicate your life and finances to.
That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.
Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".
"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly." Yes, it is mundane and it separate. You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man." The second doesn't follow from the first logically. That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.
The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.
@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.
@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing". It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical". His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural. Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.
It’s unequivocal fact that Muhammad existed. More importantly, theres no reason why Muslims shouldn’t speak for their religious beliefs in the face of arrogant Athiests who think they’re the gatekeepers of facts. I just wish Christians hat the gaul to do the same.
Since a good amount of historians that specialize in Jesus history are also Christians there could be SOME bias. That many of the non Christian historians may be too intimidated to say there is no evidence of his existence. I'm sure there was a Rabbi named Joshua 2000 years ago in Nazareth. There is too much circumstantial evidence though that most of the story of "Jesus" was retold from other religions.
The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.
If you liked this video, you might also enjoy another we did doing a deep dive into how one actually became a Spartan Warrior and how their society really worked, which isn't exactly what popular media usually depicts. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/VCfJJhzbcwI/w-d-xo.html
The existence of Jesus is in the faith of this Bald Man with Beard
He is not stating his own opinion. Just going through history .
Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.
His name was Yeshua.
love reading the comments.
I’m sure this is going to be a lovely comment section 😂
True!
filled with incorrigible "people" from all sides
C'mon... The Bible talk about love and forgiveness! Religious are never hateful! Imagine how hypocrite it would be...
Agnostic her.e
Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven.
I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff
@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.
I will always remember one of my teachers once saying ‘Oh Jesus definitely existed, its whether he was actually the son of god or not is the question"
Your teacher was wrong
@@davidagiel8130 Is this where Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate?
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I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.
It's the most common... how to put it nicely... obfuscation. 😂
It’s more like it doesn’t matter if he did exist.
It matters only whether there is empirical evidence for any supernatural claims.
And there is not.
Someone asked me if I had 'found Jesus yet?' I said I wasn't lookin
I always say…I didn’t lose him.
I like to say " I don't want to commit myself to heaven or hell I have friends in both places"
Next time tell them you found him between the couch cushions. But he had a bit of mold on him.
I had some Jehovah's witnesses ask me that I told him next time use bigger nails
The neutral, respectful and professional way this was presented is refreshing, thank you
wasn't neutral. he started with the assumption jesus existed and deducted his argument from there.
Not neutral, I'm certain Simon is Christian from this. There are a few inaccuracies that tend toward that bias unfortunately.
Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....
There is no merit in being neutral about an illusion. He never existed, end of story.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.
I love how Simon acknowledges the fact that people find it funny that he runs so many channels and he made a joke about it with AI
When his videos show him with 6 fingers, we will know it’s true!
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thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more
@@ScratchinAwayhe doesnt run thoughty2 though
I’m still discovering them and I love it
I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.
Watch at 3/4 speed. Easier to pick up everything… and quite interestingly, at times he sounds like a southerner (US) at that speed lol!
@@joeterp5615 ha ha! That is a hilarious observation. I live here in Texas, born and raised, and I will definitely test your recommendation.
@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking TH-camrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.
Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂
I read the comments while watching
It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.
Yeah right, like anyone would do Mohammad.
I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.
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@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.
@@kain0067 Personally I'm curious if the M from the beginning is the same person as the M in the end.
I didn't know Simon held Ewan MacGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan Kenobi in such high regard.
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Magnificent, aren't they?
This was VERY well done, and respectfully done! Thank you, Simon and Co.!
persinallu dizagree
Respect for mad ideas is the end-state of madness.
@@davidarchibald50 let me guess, you think christianity set science back and is somehow responsible for wars correct?
@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.
You could do a bunch of other ones like this too. Did Moses exist? Did he write the Torah? Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic? What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh? Really it's a wealth of material.
I would most definitely watch a couple of these. Didn't even know about polytheistic jews.
Gonna go read some more 😅
there's a documentary I'd like you guys to see search "Mountain of Moses" on youtube, which proves the existence of Moses
"Did Moses exist?"
...nope
"Did he write the Torah?"
...nope
"Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic"
...yep, as Judah Maccabee was a jewish priest...son of a priest
"What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh?"
...too dumb to educate yourself, so I'll do it for you!
"Instead of preserving a Jewish identity, the group of Samarians that had settled on Elephantine Island developed a Jewish identity. They became Jews, initially not by choice but by circumstance...."
Need any more, or did your RELIGIOUS propaganda hit a dead end?
Moses didn't exist, he is a myth.
Sadly it's not worth it as even jewish fundamentalists agree moses never existed
I love that Simon has finally acknowledged that he could very well be an AI image
Scary to think we are in times where we question this
@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .
Lol😅
If Simon is AI, he's a big improvement over Max Headroom.
@Fred Webster Jr different levels of shit, is still shit. how does this guy get people to get he's intelligent?
I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite TH-camr more than his wife.
You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel.
Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;
So. I'll set him up a teleprompter.
Jesus' most useful idea is that we should care about one another. We shouldn't nurse hatred or treat each other cruellly. Instead, we should put aside resentments and be courteous, positive and understanding where possible. We also shouldn't act superior: we have our faults just like other people do. We should avoid racism, snobbery and exploitation.
people forget that before jesus's time the world was completely savage and without any mercy. The world only started to get better after Jesus Christ
@@hidingbehind7256 An now, especially here in the US, things have devolved into madness. People who invoke Jesus but don't act ANYTHING like he would say.
And remember to forgive your enemies. As I understand it, if you do not forgive (and repent ) , there will come a crucial time when G-d will never have known you.
@@Girlfrom.n0wh3r3 I like to picture my Jesus in a tuxedo t- shirt.
Tell that to any Ukrainian or anyone butchered for not believing
I'm glad you put this together regardless of your own beliefs. However I am astounded at the veracity of people's comments, not ro mention how poorly people treat each other online. We are people who live real lives, we shouldn't be involved in petty pissing contests. I don't care if you're right or wrong, you are not justified in being pompous and abrasive.
Pro tip: dont take everything seriously on the internet
@@hanspetrov4343 Your profession is watching Internet videos?
I don't think you know what "veracity" means.
@@reh3884 You are correct.
It's hard to not be abrasive when those who hold these unverifiable beliefs force their beliefs on everyone through law.
My thought has always been that Jesus’s disciples must have really believed he was the Son of God, or else they all wouldn’t have been quite so willing to go out preaching His word knowing that it would, in all probability, lead to their persecutions & deaths. They happily went to their deaths one by one & never chose to walk away. That takes great strength & great belief in what they saw & heard while they were with Him. So though I have never doubted He existed & that He was a great teacher, I have to wonder, was He truly the Son of God, or simply a very charismatic man?
Just an ordinary man
Charles manson had people doing the same thing.
He had a God complex
Not necessaritly the son of god, but after his death, they certainly started to think that he had been some divine figure. The whole son of god aspect appears to be a later result of the theological disputes that would ensue.
The extent to which Christians were persecuted in the Roman world is generally overstated by modern Christians. That's not to say there was none, but for the most part the Romans ran a diverse empire that worked precisely because it tolerated local customs as long as they didn't interfere with Roman administration.
Up through about the 4th Century, the prominent competitor to Christianity was Orphism. I'd like to see y'all do a video about that! And of course, as hilariously explored in "Life of Bryan," the reality that there were many who claimed the role of the pending Messiah.
And only One who was true Messiah.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Life of Brian" is not a documentary.
@@KingPingviini Sure, but which one? There are others who claim others, and there is a majority of people in the world who say none of them were particularly true.
@@Eng_Simoes But, given it was filmed within many here's lifetimes, and we have the footage, is it more or less real than a Jesus known only from a handful of writings from 2000 years ago, written by people born after the date of his alleged death?
And still do, ... Jerusalem syndrome.
This is extremely interesting but the part that Josephus decided that everybody should pretty much commit roman seppuku and then on his turn he was like ''' ah changed my mind'' just stole the show for me.
There's also the logical conclusion that he meant for that to happen and convinced his fellow Roman's to die in exchange for a favorable outcome. Not unheard of anyhow.
Very well presented. I learned some news things and I had thought myself relatively well studied on this question. Kudos. I must watch and share more of your videos.
Check out Professor James Tabor. He's taught at Notre Dame, William and Mary, and UNC Charlotte. He also helped find the Talpiot tomb. Jesus' family tomb, with a Joseph, two Marrys, a James brother of Jesus, a Jesus, and even a Judas son of Jesus. There's also a chevron and circle above the entrance. An EARLY sign used to designate the Christ.
@@billbrownii469 You can't be serious........ His entire "history" of the faith is conjecture at best, and total fabrication at worst. He has little to no evidence for most of what he claims and his "documentarian" he partners with claims to have found Atlantis as well. Tabor just uses credentials to try and bolster credibility of his pet theories and doesn't do any real academic work. There's very good reason he has sold a lot of books with bold claims for titles, but has basically nothing published in peer reviewed journals.
The next video in my automatic youtube lineup is titled, "How Powerful is Gandalf?" I find that funny.
Lucky duck! My up next is Simon asking, "What was Hitler like as a child? And was his grandfather really Jewish?" I know I don't have to click on it, but it does sound OH so fun! 😂
My gray lionhead bunny's name is Gandalf. When I saw your comment, I automatically thought of my bunny and wondered why anyone would make a video about my rabbit. 😅I guess it's time to step away from the internet.
Mine was "creating hitler" lmfao
@@schoolbeginsaftercoffee4759he sounds like a beauty!
Mine is ‘Why Did The Ripper Suddenly Disappear’… I’m not sure what to make of that…
Who was too busy reading comments and missed the whole video arguing in reply sections?
Me 😂
@@shanegates678 😂 ikr
I’m an atheist, and it doesn’t matter to me whether Jesus existed or not. What I have issue with are people claiming that he is divine, son of god blah blah blah. People claim this without evidence. And go even further, by getting offended if this topic even comes up. Jesus exists as much as Zeus exists. Just because a lot of people believe he existed. Isn’t evidence of him existing.
Are you serious in the first sentence “ it doesn’t matter wether Jesus existed or not” j”ust because a lot of people beloved he existed isn’t evidence of his existence. Brother there are numerous historical writing of historical figures that are taught about on college campuses
It is not up for debate on whether or not he existed. Jesus existed and was a real person. There are more documents written about Jesus than there was about Alexander the Great, but no-one questions whether or not Alexander existed. Also the documents were recorded centuries after Alexander's death. Jesus and the events of his life were recorded as soon as a couple decades after his crucifixion. By far the most recorded person of that time was Jesus.
What if it turns out he is reality? What then?
.. he shows up, many in ignorance did not believe, then he shows up! Too late then, blessed are those who believed in him, without ever seeing him, before the unbelievers are shown! They have their reward!
Know ye the signs of the times of his return, that the bible Prophesied long ago?
Uncanny! So, these dudes knew in advance they were gonna be martyred and suffer and die guaranteed.......
....and they still went and did the work?!?!!
There must've been alot of money in it for em?
What was their real incentive, to keep up this particular faith?
Insanity? Or conviction?
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I wasn't really certain what to expect from this video on today of all days, but then it occurred to me that Simon probably doesn't have that kind of fine control over the release schedule.
I believe he did so last year as I got halfway through his video (on King Arthur I think) before I realized what day it was
I actually listen to your videos as podcast on spotify, but I will come to TH-cam just to leave a comment and upvote. Thank you for your amazing work.
Not at all what I was expecting. I'm impressed.
In prehistoric times, recording significant events and beliefs required immense effort, such as carving into stone or creating cave paintings, a testament to the value and permanence sought in these records. Contrastingly, our knowledge of figures like Jesus primarily comes from texts, notably the Bible, reflecting a shift towards textual preservation of knowledge. While words can be more easily altered than stone carvings, the lasting influence of these narratives is significant. This raises questions about the historical portrayal of Jesus - whether his contemporaries viewed him as significant or if his charismatic and fictionalized paranormal traits were amplified over time through textual revisions. The enduring, labor-intensive prehistoric records stand in stark contrast to the evolving narrative of Jesus, possibly indicating different perceptions of significance in their respective eras.
I imagine both. Some of the early writing about Jesus would have been done not long after the time he walked the Earth. They synoptic gospels were decades later, and John's account significantly later, but it is accepted that they refered to earlier texts. There were several other "gospels" or accounts about Jesus that were not chosen as Biblical canon. But I do find the contrast between accounts with time telling. Some of the earlier accounts were almost exclusively messages, more philisophical, purpoted to be from Jesus. The synoptic gospels mix early messages of his moral teachings with narrative of his life. John, written much later, openly admits "these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God" and most of the text is about the supernatural, even divine, nature Jesus had. I guess it reflects the changing nature of early Christians. From a Jewish sect that respected his teachings to a separate religion based on the divinity of the figure.
Correct, but whether someone found something significant and recorded it. Is a magnitude separate from whether it's true.
The Epic of Gilgamesh was written before the Bible. Did local Mesopotamians find the story significant? And is it true?
The same questions can be asked about pyramids, fertility statues, druid circles, etc...
And even if we have contemporary writing, it's not certain that the individual existed. If I remember correctly there's debates about whether a certain greek philosopher existed.
it is virtually impossible to make an argument against Jesus without either denying all of history or resorting to conspiracy theories (like your comment), the fact is we have more avaialble material and attestations for Jesus (by the hundreds of thousands) than all other historical documents combined, and the fact that he changed the world more than anyone else (our entire callendar is based on him)
@@tomq6491 you are talking conspiracy theories again... the four gouspels of the new testament were all written in the 1st century by contemporaries, the gnostic gospels were later forgeries, and this is also the majority view of all scholars and historians
@@Relies-t5v "Than all other historical documents combined" And now I know you're a troll.
When you look at things though, there really isn't anything genuinely corroborating the existence of the legendary figure. It's too simplistic to state "oh, well, if you go by hard evidence, nobody ever existed!" There are literally NO contemporary accounts from the time that he supposedly lived which even reference him. Yet, we have many historical figures who at least have more than one account from a contemporary third party who mention that individual. The first references we get are secondhand 50+ years later in the Bible. You would think that with someone as influential as Jesus, that *somebody* notable would have taken the time to figure out who the Nazarene rabble-rouser was. I for one, remain skeptical that this mythological figure genuinely existed in the manner ascribed to him in the Bible.
Incredibly stupid Christians loves to pull out a talking point that we have no evidence of Socrates....
I find early christianty and islam some of the most interesting subjects in history. So much mystery and sometimes weird takes on the religions we know today.
ah, but what do you think of the actual historical history? As the religious accounts do not match the historical record in key areas, especially in Islam.
@@tommyrotton9468 They most definitely do not contradict.
Unless you remove Verses from Qorsn and bible without context. Guarantee you did not read either books
Except there's more historical evidence that Jesus actually visited Jerusalem.
@@OBsurdityTV I'm afraid your lack of knowledge in the subject only shows your devotion to the religious narrative and ignorance of the counter arguments.
@@jefflebowski918 Well you can't trust the Bible as impartial evidence or even accurate, so don't quote that.
So where else would you get your historical evidence from?
There are plenty of biblical scholars that don't believe Jesus existed. Wtf are you talking about?
Can we submit ideas for topics here? I'd really like to know the story of the arrangement of letters on keyboards (I recall learning a *second* keyboard arrangement when in class, but I've never seen it since)! Why aren't the keys simply arranged alphabetically? Hope to see a vid on this someday!
It’s a fascinating story, and I agree would make a nice video. (The second arrangement is the Dvorak keyboard layout)
An in depth video would be cool but the super basic explanation, if I remember correctly, is that they arranged the more heavily used letters of the English language in a way to reduce jams on type writers (the little letter stampers could get jammed together)
Typical yootoob noob. Wants to be spoon fed. Why not use a search engine, show you have the ability to research instead of wanting daddy bird to feed you... and go find the EASILY found out answers for YOURSELF... lamer
@@jetBlue_83 not to mention ETOAIN SHRDLU. . .
Letters are arranged in a way that makes more heavily used letters easier to access, with less hand movement. That's why there is dozens if not hundreds of keyboard layouts, since practically every language (and sometimes even multiple per language depending on the zone, like US-English versus British-English) has their own layout, since they use different letters differently often and the symbol keys are also different (for example British English has a British Pound Symbol, US doesn't).
@2:20 - If that's the rubric being used (referring to the total lack of evidence that some shmo existed)... wrong... we would not have to conclude that no-one existed bla bla bla.... the rational conclusion is that 'we do not have sufficient reason to believe that xxx person existed'. stating that the 'lack of evidence' is 'what you would expect for some random street preacher in 1st century judea' is fine; but that cannot be considered 'evidence' that he did in fact exist: because we would expect the exact same lack of evidence to exist for someone that didn't exist at all.
That was a long way of saying: absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence
@@chris24hdez that's the opposite of what the video is claiming - they are literally arguing that since we 'wouldn't expect to find evidence' then that should somehow be considered evidence that the claim is true... That is absolute rubbish.
You're not wrong... but the point was that there is a lot of evidence that Jesus exists, to the same extent that there is evidence that anyone of that time period exists, so the lack of direct proof is not a valid reason to completely disregard the possibility, which a lot of people try to claim it is... mostly because they want to be able to say that Jesus didn't exist, despite the fact that he is as well documented as basically anyone else back then.
@@dannykent6190 He is not as well documented, he is a lot more documented. A also funny thing you see in the bible is that it is historically accurate. Take when moses crosses the sea -> we have found archeological evidence for that. Take the solar eclipse that has happened at the time of his death proven by nasa scientist for example as well. So yes I believe it is true. Also most things back in that era were communicated via word of mouth also it takes a while to write a book especially as a peasant. So it makes sense the books came out later.
@@dannykent6190 Except that isn't true. The Emperor at the time was Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, & apologists like to say there's as much evidence of him as Jesus by arguing that details of his life come primarily from a handful of biographies written decades later; however, that's dishonest because it ignores the many pieces of physical evidence, like coins minted with his likeness & hieroglyphs in Egypt bearing his name. It ignores that he waged wars we have archaeological evidence of. He had descendants & ancestors we can also trace because we know their names. We even have houses he lived in.
You might say that's not a fair comparison because of course there would be more evidence for the Emperor, but I remind you that the claim was that there's a lot of evidence relative to ANY figure from Jesus' s time. I'd say the Emperor who reigned when he lived was during his time, & there's far more evidence of him. And that's far from the only misinformation in this video. It's very clear that they, probably unknowingly, used mainly Christian apologists as sources because they use a lot of arguments that aren't used in any other context.
For example, they take for granted that people would just "check" if lies were being spread about Jesus. Even assuming they wanted to, how? So you know he supposedly has a brother named James who lives in a certain city? How is that enough information to track him down? Never even mind that very few citizens would have the means to travel for months, because remember this is before cars or trains, away from their jobs & families, just to fact check some random smalltown preacher they probably wouldn't have heard of anyway.
Another discredited argument is the "criterion of embarrassment," the idea that people wouldn't include details in a fictional story that embarrass them. But this is well-known to be highly flawed because (A) you can't assume ancient people had the same idea of what would be embarrassing as you & (B) they may have motives to add those details, such as to enhance believability or make a specific theological point.
And if you want to accuse me of "wanting to be able to say that Jesus didn't exist," note that at no point did I describe him as "allegedly" or "supposedly" existing. There are things that lead me to the conclusion that Jesus probably existed. But that person with all the numbers is absolutely correct that "we have reasons to expect the evidence to be hard to find, so therefore, that itself counts as evidence" isn't one of them. It's a bad argument. A lot of these are bad arguments.
So, what do I think is a good argument? Well, we have letters from Paul. Someone had to write them, & someone had to be responsible for the idea that you could be gentile & a Christian, since it was originally seen as an offshoot of Judaism. Since Paul claims in his letters that he was doing just that, it makes sense that he was a real person, not a fake name for a narrator character. In fact, Paul claims to have gone to speak with other church leaders, most notably James the brother of Jesus & the disciple Peter, to work out this dispute. So, if Jesus was fictional, how would we explain James? It doesn't seem like Paul would make up a close relative of Jesus to argue with. Was someone already pretending to be the fake Jesus's brother, & his status was just so cemented Paul had no choice but to go along with it? I guess it's possible, but it doesn't seem very likely.
Or there's the fact that a very convoluted story was written to make Jesus be born in Bethlehem, which makes complete sense if he was actually a real person known to be from Nazareth & then writers later had to make up a reason why he was totally born in Bethlehem to fulfill Messianic prophecy. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that the writer of Matthew seems to believe there WAS a Messianic Prophecy saying Jesus would be called a Nazerene, but since no record of that prophecy has been found anywhere, it's entirely possible he just made that up. Which, again, would support the idea that they had to create justifications for fulfilled prophecies around a real person whose life didn't always conveniently match up.
I still don't think it's the best evidence, but I am comfortable saying I think it at least convinces me that the fictional character explanation is at least more difficult to square than the historical Jesus one. But the point remains I'd like to base my conclusions on solid evidence, & a lot of this video really wasn't.
We just covered these secular historical sources in my church's bible study class.
Excellent, did you cover things like the fact that the flood in the bible took place in ancient Assyria not Israel? And human evolution etc etc.
@@occamraiser Human evolution is not true
At first I thought that the title was an April fool's joke, as he couldn't possibly be talking about something more polarizing than politics. But this is an amazingly well put together video. It's interesting hearing about this from atheists. Even if it doesn't say much about whether Jesus was truly the Son of God, or essentially just a cult leader.
"Exactly what he said verbatim is unknown to anyone except Dr. Emit Brown " - Simon Whistler (genius!) 😅😂
Kind of funny how you left out historian Richard Carrier who wrote a peer-reviewed book that questions the historicity of Jesus
They always leave him out and pretend his work doesn't exist. He's literally a Columbia trained PHD in ancient history.
And now Raphael Lataster’s 2019 peer reviewed “Questioning the Historicity of Jesus”.
It’s because one single person doesn’t decide scholarly consensus.
@@BulletHolesintheBiblesick username brah. How’s your fedora?
Now I Can’t Tell If This Is An April Fools Video Or Not!
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SAAAME
I knoooowww Im like this all sounds like answers you would get from someone who already belives
well, the Pilate stone is real, and it does not in fact say "I'm a kickass Dancer"
so we know that at least
Same here but I'm guessing it's a April fool
If it's April, and you believe in gods, you're a fool, so...maybe?
Ooh, ooh, do the historicity of Socrates next.
I wonder the odds that a modification was done to fill in text missing from a damaged source, then someone who had a source with that text intact noted the modification without realizing why but assumed or others assume a deliberate alteration.
No. Text was hand copied over, and over again, and the original copy does not exist. The additions were made by someone copying (probably a copy) of the text. He decided to add clarification. Then that text was copied, etc....
I think it's wild when people talk about history in the perspective of "weeeelll the author might have wrote it a few hundred years after" that's like me writing about the Russo-Persian War (1722-1723) today. I had to Google that, something they would not have had haha.
Most historical sources we have on antiquities dates hundreds of years after their supposed events.
You’ve also ignored the strong oral tradition of Jews back in the day, which can still be seen even today. Obviously, early Christians were largely made of former practicing Jews so they likely also maintained that tradition. Additionally, most historical sources are like this anyways.
@@ceker2363 *the strong oral tradition of Jews back in the day* Wonder why Paul was complaining about all the different "Jesus" being taught in his day if oral tradition was so strong and accurate. It obviously wasn't.
@@druidriley3163 This is because Jesus was for Gentiles and Jews, which was an early Christian debate. The fact that we even know about these differences and that we know Paul complained is evidence that a large change feasibly couldn’t have occurred.
@@ceker2363 *This is because Jesus was for Gentiles and Jews* That doesn't support the obvious lack of accurate oral tradition that you brought up.
*The fact that we even know about these differences and that we know Paul complained is evidence* No, that's not evidence for that at all. It's evidence for the opposite.
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.”
-Gandhi
I'm the opposite. I don't like their Christ, but I do like their Christians (to an extent).
Interesting. I knew about the sources you mentioned, of course. I think Josephus is perhaps the most important (once one gets rid of the obviously corrupted passage), although it is still plausible that he's repeating things he heard or read elsewhere - by the time he's writing, at least two of the gospel novels had been published. This is even more true for Tacitus (who was not above inventing things in his histories - like his descriptions of the Germans - to make points about targets in his own society) and Seutonius.
I personally thing Jesus the wandering preacher existed, although I think one could still make a plausible case that he didn't. I don't believe the miracle stories, but that's a whole separate issue.
Josephus did not live in Jesus' time.
@@stpat7614 True. He's writing third-hand. We don't really know what his sources were (since citing sources was not a thing back then). He's as close in time as whoever wrote "Luke," whose sources we also largely don't know. I expect, given his position and relationships, that he may have had access to whatever records the Sanhedrin and the temple priests may have kept - at least whatever of those records survived the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans. Beyond that, he'd have had to take stories passed down among his relatives and acquaintances. So we really don't have a direct way to assess the quality of his research.
"I personally thing Jesus the wandering preacher existed,"
-a Christian with no proof of their claims
"I don't believe the miracle stories, but that's a whole separate issue."
-a person who believes the MYTH of 'jesus', yet denies the veracity of the same source's claims of miracles
Double think, a tenet of Christianity
@@kennethc2466believing a preacher named Jesus existed and was assassinated for causing trouble is not believing the myth of Jesus. There are several historical figures who are associated with magical events and no one denies their existences.
@@weslleyfj "believing a preacher named Jesus existed and was assassinated for causing trouble is not believing the myth of Jesus."
Ah, yes it is, as it is the ONLY SOURCE.
This is clearly a very popular video, and the consensus in the comments is he nailed and, Jesus was 100% real.
But I’m confused about one huge claim made very early on: that virtually no historic figure was written about in their lifetime, so don’t worry about it, that’s normal, don’t talk about it again. And it’s implied that we’d have to question if ANYONE ever existed, because no huge important person was ever talked about in their time …
Ummm…. Really? Who? I’m asking seriously now. What other major significant historical figure was NEVER written about until about 50 years after they died, and those writings then are not even first hand accounts? Who? Cleopatra (born about 100 years before Jesus) was written about constantly. Caesar was a writer himself, and had much written about him. Alexander the Great. Even Genghis Khan. I honestly can’t find a single important historical figure that wasn’t written about in their lifetime, and none of these people walked around performing wondrous miracles curing people and bringing back the dead. You think that’d be all anyone wrote about, and yet … total silence. I’m sorry but this can’t be moved on from quite so quickly and dismissively.
Personally, I think Jesus wasn't that important of a historical figure during his time. It was just another Jewish cult in the eyes of most people, probably not the first nor the last. So it is less likely that people would care to write about him.
Meanwhile, the people you mentioned were all very important folks. Cleopatra was a queen. Caesar was, well, Caesar. Alexander and Genghis Khan were some of the greatest conquerors of human history.
Jesus just became very important as the centuries went by, but I don't think he was that relevant of a person during his lifetime.
@@LeoVital Jesus was said to have raised the dead, had a huge following, performed countless miracles, gave epic talks and teachings that influenced all around him. Perhaps born a nobody, the story is that he didn’t die a nobody. I mention Cleopatra merely because she was around at roughly the same time period. But my point is more-so that Every. Single. Historical. Figure. was written about in great length during and immediately after their lifetime. Not absolute radio silence for the entire time they're alive, and 50+ years after they die. Not a single pen to parchment, no chisel to rock - nothing was ever written about Jesus for 80 years, including his life and after his death. (And when it was, it was only by second-hand accounts.) This is NOT normal, like this video so quickly suggests. People wrote about Homer, Confucius, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle - none of whom were kings or queens. And none raised the dead in dramatic fashion. The writer Livy wrote almost 200 books about random everyday Romans, for example.
As for Jesus’s popularity, the story isn’t that he died in obscurity, but that he had amassed a sizeable following. Bible scholars believe he had about 1,000 followers in his lifetime, and it exploded immediately after his resurrection. In context, the planet had a tiny fraction of our population today. Nazareth was said to have just had one hundred people in it, for example. So he had a following that spanned multiple cities till his death, and then even more after that. And yet… silence. Not a single word from anyone, ever.
@Gavannon thank you! They always make these unfounded appeals to the "standard" when the standard shows the opposite.
Alexander the Great. Arrian wrote 500 years after his death, the difference being Arrian told us who he was & discussed his sources in great detail. He used the accounts of two of Alexander's generals who fought alongside him. Those works are no longer extant.
I don't understand why we can't hold a higher standard of evidence for the son of God which is also God who had magic powers, controls everything, and who created everything. The phrase is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" and so far we get random stories from random people and a few relics that people say are real but there's no proof of anything in them? We have never held those who claim he's reql at higher standards not even the normal standards because for some reason us pointing out that none of the "evidence" is actually so is offensive to them and the worst thing you could do. If God and Jesus are so amazing and powerful but can't hold up to extreme scrutiny then they are not what people say they are.
There is extraordinary evidence for Gods existence all throughout the sciences; this complex and ordered reality cannot exist without a creator with intelligence and intent. Also Jesus can be further verified by the 300+ prophecies he fulfilled from the Old Testament, along with all of the archeological findings that verify the Old Testament as being an accurate record of history.
“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” - Werner Heisenberg, 1932 Nobel laureate and father of quantum mechanics
If Jesus provided even just a fraction of 1% more to his existence and identity, from the past or in the current modern world, it would unfavorably co,mpromise mankind's free moral will, reducing mankind into nothing more than scared robots.
(this is just one big reason, but there are others, the actual reason expressed, is actually poorly referencing a large apologetic doctrine called ( The Hiddeness of God) to sum it up quick and dirty, there is obvious reasons, why God is not at mankind's beck and call for to prove his existence, every year of every decade, and so on,
exactly, and this is exactly why atheism and agnosticism are on the rise. grand claims very little to show for it
in all my years ive heard very silly responses and thats the best you can come up with? Freedom, along with free will. is an ILLUSION. everything is privilege. there is nuthin free. hay soos wont show up because he doesnt exist. that simple @@flolou8496
Bruh stop pretending that we are the problem. Youll just deny the proof and demand more until youre black in the face LMAO
I had a story concept that a disguised time traveler meet Jesus and was shocked that Jesus knew what he was. ;-)
There is a great sci fi story about a troubled man who builds a time machine to go find Jesus and finds him instead to be a severely mentally challenged person, and is never going to start anything, and so decided to become Jesus himself.
@@druidriley3163 what is the story?
@@bricesanderlin8267 "Behold the man" by Michael Moorcock
You mean like the meme
great idea for a Netflix series
Josephus was born after Jesus supposedly lived. It’s not extra-biblical evidence, it’s apologetics.
Josephus was Jewish.
Many historians and philosophers are born after the person they write about died. Futhermore, many of the sources they had available in the 1st century AD have been lost so they had access to material we do not have available. Should be question whether J.R.R Tolkien was an actual man or was "he" used by a cabal of writers as a face for their fictional universe?
I just like the fact that the first photo you used of Jesus was actually Obi-wan Kenobi
😂 I had to check and yup, thats him alright 😅
A well known internet meme. Well played :)
I saw it instantly, and for some reason it really ticked me off 😆
Hello there
Jedi Jesus
"Do you even know who my dad is???"
- Some dude wearing a robe and birkenstocks in his early 30s
Funny, I enjoyed this comment! The representation is a bit off, but dang the joke is really funny!
We would definitely watch the crucifixion of some dude in a bespoke coffee shop. We'd watch it live on Kick, probably while placing bets on how quickly he goes from talking about his dad to calling for his mom.
Oh? Immmm! Your father! Padawan
Was he walking across the stormy water in his birkenstocks? That's the difference, huh?
@MichaelJones-rn2pq and he caught way too many fish to feed those people so that's poaching Lol
The real question is whether Simon Whistler exists or is he just an elaborate AI...?
He's perfect for just switching to full a.i TH-cam controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use
I’ve actually never met him so he obviously mustn’t exist!!
Simon Whistler is a sentient beard.
There were no tangents so is the AI.
I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)
My favorite part of the Bible was when Jesus said "It's over, Pilate! I have the high ground!"
lol, I'm stealing that.
@@TheLochs don't, you will be crucified for it.
Being on a cross is a tough high ground. 😅
@@joshua.snyder You underestimate His power
@@joshua.snyder nailed it with that one 😉
When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition.
Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.
😂
And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
And Brian, the real messiah.
Always look on the bright side of life.
"You talk to God, you’re religious; God talks to you, you’re psychotic.” - House MD
Touche!!! Hahaha
House was a drug addict.
@@GalactusOG So? This quote is still perfect!
@@GalactusOG He was TV character with writers who were probably also on drugs but sober for the most part
@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
If he did…then he probably didn’t look like Ewan McGregor 🤣
Yes!! That HAS to be a picture of him as Obi-wan!
He looked like Keanu Reeves
May the force, be with the.
Ewan McGregor has the high ground
@@spankflaps1365 he who hath the high ground shall inherit the Earth, and he who doth not shall burn in fire 😂
The fact that the editor used a picture of Ewan McGregor to introduce Jesus is so 👌😂
@@nienie713 obiwan.... I am not going there..
The thought of Jesus wielding lightsabers and have mind over matter powers (which clearly he has by walking on H2O) is a fascinating thought 😅
I guess if he would dare to use a picture from..let´s say Luke Skywalker, to talk freely about Mahoma…
@@willywonka4340 Maybe the water was shallow.
Oh good. That wasn't just me then!
The real question is whether P.Diddy paid full price or wholesale discount for all of those 1 Liter, baby oils, for those freak-offs?😮
As soon as my time machine is finished I'll go back and let you all know
Back yet?
Let us know if Caesar existed too
@@mountainmonkey15 funny that you'd mention that. My family and i are supposedly descendents of Caesar III. Gonna have to verify that while I'm at it. Might as well watch the battle of Troy. I heard Achilles was 4'11“. Might as well take a look at the battle of thermopile too. Gonna have to see if this 300 vs 1 million thing is true. I'm gonna do a count.
Don't forget to buy Apple stocks in the 90's
@@RS-Amsterdam I'm also gonna tell myself not to sell those 2000 bitcoins when they reach 10 cents and to wait until 2014 to sell 500 of them and sell the rest in March of 2024. I had 147 million dollars of coin that I sold for $200. Biggest mistake of my life. I don't like talking about it. Lesson learned. I make 700k a year so life ain't so bad.
I worked with a Jesus from Guadalajara. He was an awesome guy, I'm pretty sure they're all real.
I knew an Aquiles (Achilles) in Oaxaca. I had a crush on his girlfriend.
I met a Gabriel at my university years back.
While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.
My Jesus got hit by a car one day, deported the next.
My cousin? Yeah he's awesome.
Donald Trump doesn't like them.
The guy called Jesus from Nazareth quite likely existed. The guy who walked on water and raised people from the death did not.
The picture of Ewan McGregor on the mantle as Jesus killed me 😂
Same! 😂
Hello there....
.have you heard the good news?
@@mikenapier3598 Yes. Goodbye.
Taking the "high" ground concept to another level... 😂
he is the master, borderline surrogate father of star wars Jesus.
I had no idea that Jesus looked so much like Obi-Wan Kenobi
The force is with him lol
To be fair, Jesus does look like a Jedi lol
@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.
his facial features come from the son if a pope called cesare borgia or something like that
He did have the high ground
Those who deny Jesus are like those that deny climate change.
That's a really weird statement to hear as an American, as here, those who are most likely to believe in Jesus are also those most likely to deny climate change.
Just the existence of Jesus. Not the son of God, just a man named Jesus. He's just saying that both climate change exists and a man named Jesus (no miracles) that lived back then existed. Nobody is saying he had Jedi powers or anything, just a carpenter.
@@dannycarlow8204yep internet atheists keep denying his existence. but his historiography is as much as alexander the great or caesar. There was a jew named jesus that existed and was crucified. Was he the magic man people say he is? Iunno
...AmuriKKKan Fundie Xtians cling to either (or both) "Certainties" on the subject of Climate-Change:
That god won't ALLOW Humanity to Degrade Earth's EcoSystems to the point where our planet can no longer sustain Life, or;
That god will permit/allow/encourage Humanity to Rape, Pillage & Plunder Earth's natural resources (per god's supposed 'Granting Man DOMINION over all animals, vegetables & minerals) -- to support Fruitful Human Multiplication...and at the Very Last Moment when All of Earths EcoSystems start collapsing in Holy Unison, BIG-DADDY god -- flanked on His right by JUNIOR & on His left by THE SPOOK -- will Ride to the RESCUE to the blare of Heavenly Trumpets..!
And when NEITHER occurs -- and Earth's Climate goes Un-Stopably OUT OF CONTROL, "Good Xtians" will start pointing fingers- and casting Blame upon those who "Didn't BELIEVE Strongly Enough" to secure god's "Involvement"..!
And the FINAL HOLY WAR will have Begun...
Climate change politically is just a tool to divide and control with.
The earth's resources are finite but replenished in cycles, but we're using them too fast. The climate is out our control and everything changes in nature. It's normal.
There is no crisis..
@@dannycarlow8204 well keep in mind Yesuha (Joshua) would be a very common name back then, especially given that in the original Hebrew Bible, there were two figures that were named Joshua. The only thing that allows you to distinguish between the two was the slightly different spelling and the time frame between the change for one of the characters in the name.
The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.
Or perhaps more likely the other way where there are a ton of hugely important people in their times in history we have zero record of. -Daven
@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.
@@brianfox771 The Jewish and Roman sources do describe Jesus in mundane terms.
@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.
@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.
The only reason i clicked on this video is for the comment section
That's true for _most_ videos.
me too
Why? It's not like you are going to learn anything from it.
Here's your popcorn 🍿
@@AutumnBlessed Here is your 2 second of attention badge 🔋
Comparing denialof Jesus to denial of climate change is honestly fucking hilarious
Almost every Asian country: Yeah sure lol
I don't think anyone really can deny that humans do have an effect on the environment. We just wanna know why the same people panicking over the imminent end of the world still own their beachfront properties, and fly their private jets everywhere, and only ever bother the lowest emission countries and leave the worst offenders alone, and blame average people for the world's problems instead of massive corporations that actually cause the problems...
@diqweed69
Because they are the same people who don't segregate their trash, which is like 5 min max - because they don't want to spend the precious 5 minutes.
Its not tho. To the extent that there is evidence it suggests that Jesus was a real person with a real ministry. Its not academically justified to completely deny that there was an apocalyptic preacher called Yeshua (or whatever)who was from Nazareth who was crucified by the Romans. Doesnt mean he was god, it just mean that the myth is based on a real person. There is considerably MORE evidence for man made climate change but categorically they are both academically justified and denial of either of them amounts to a kind of zealousness rooted in personal bias and in contradiction to the evidence.
@@bizzapandare1209 which is pointless, if you actually take the precious 5mins to research the scam that is recycling
"I'm sure this is going to be a lovely comment section"
"Obi wan Kenobi"
Yeah it is going to bring out the monsters for sure, for there is absolutely no way they can even entertain the existence of someone who has more than twice the brains and balls they do.
OB1 Kenobi
I have the high ground satan
Obi wan was far more powerful than Jesus. Jesus can't even force ghost someone like Ben did so we could know what he looks like at the very least? Jesus' powers are weak.
Pontius Pilate may have existed, but it's extremely unlikely that he ever said he would welease wodger.....
"He has a sister, you know. Inconnintia. Inconnintia Buttocks."
But what about Wodewick?
Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World,
Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel,
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own,
It comes from the one who has sent me.”
[John 7:16]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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@@HasanUnknown
"Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, "
So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus.
Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.
Biggus ...
I like to think of it like this. Egyptian pharaohs existed and they were considered a form of god. Yet, they were simply a man/woman. Nothing truly special about them. No special gifts, etc. I see Jesus as the same. A simple man with no special gifts, etc. He happened to have a convincing story that led many to follow his teachings. I don't believe he is the son of God or God himself or had any divine connection them any of the sort. Same as Egyptian pharoahs. As the Egyptian beliefs in different gods and religions, Christianity will too one day vanish to the test of time.
"How the hell does he have all those TH-cam channels?" 😂😂😂
What? It's only 12 channels 😅
Scarily close to omni-presence! 😂
He only reads the scripts on camera and runs the business. Other people edit and write.
There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.
He's an Ai ..😏👍
If Odin didn’t exist, then why aren’t there any frost giants?
They melted one summer when they forgot to migrate back to the cold lands
@@isgamer-8732 They must have been distracted. That sounds like Loki trickery :)
Because global warming has some positive effects.
Exactly.
This guy is asking the right questions.
Love the Ewan McGregor as Ben Kenobi as Jesus photo in the lead intro, lol.
MANY unsuspecting grandmothers bought pictures of him and thought it was a Jesus portrait.
@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.
I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?
I would like him to do the same to Mohamed.
Which is ironic considering Ewan McGregor actually did play Jesus in a movie.
Luke: Do you know Jesus?
Obi Wan: Why yes I do. That is me
of course I know him. he's me
N
"Strike me down, and I shall become far more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"
- Jesus Christ 😂
Still has to cheat at wrestling and can't beat iron chariots.
It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.
Lol but who
Is Darth????
And the Lord said unto Luke; Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father….
@@dustintacohands1107 The chosen one!
I absolutely love how y'all kept using a picture of Obi-Wan.
Ewan McGregor would be proud
I mean, that is close to a lot of the paintings of jesus in churches... which is insane.
Came here to say exactly that lol
Hello there.
Blasphemy! The force is strong with this one
I've never seen Jesus or Obi-Wan Kenobi in the same room together. Coincidence? I think not
I think you’re on to something 🤔
Have you ever seen Obi-Wan at all. If you have i doubt your existence.
Wait 😮
@@leemacpeek2698 I have, I spoke to him. He was really interested in weird al song parody of America pie, the saga begins.
😂😂
Bow down to the only true and real hods. Priapus. Worship vock. The flying spaghetti monster. Ramen. And more men.
One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.
Yup. My Lord and Savior...Josh. 😄
@@kenziedayne4234 Josh is awesome
Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.
I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this.
I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.
@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)
As jesus said, "only a sith deals in absolutes"
If god came down to earth we would absolutely know it - no doubt. But he didn't...
he also said "even the smallest person can change the course of the history"
So maybe he suffered from dwarfism? Just asking questions here
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 dude that was hilarious!
It’s 3:30 am and I’m laughing so hard now bc of this comment 😂
@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?
GAWDAMMIT I freakin' HATE TH-cam on April 1st! Already got taken in by Ian over at Forgotten Weapons and his 'ancient viking firearm' bit.
And next you're going to tell me Garand Thumb didn't really have a sniper rifle from Star Wars.
Hah, I'm subbed to all those channels too!
@@Patrick_919 Well, off to check THAT nonsense out...
The Jeffersonian Bible has the right idea - believe in God and love your neighbor. Just that simple.....
"He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy !" - Brian's mum.
"Piss off!" - Also Brian's mum
Monty Python is God.
@@tthings6686 LOL
@@danielshannon6027 Have you seen: Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers on TH-cam ?
British """humor"""
Jesus in fact did exist. The stories of him are hundreds of years after his lifetime. The stories are questionable at least and the rest results of obsessing over them. 2000k years of differing views and religious factions are getting us nowhere and someone rich,
A guy named Jesus ok sure doesn't matter, a god that got killed no.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair
It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs..
Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.
Excellent quote, I wonder what the context was
This applies to popular atheist speakers who try to disprove god
@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.
@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?
I'm sorry. Most of your videos are quite good, but this one doesn't stand up. I have read a lot of historical fiction. Here's an example: Little Big Man by Thomas Berger. Now in Little Big Man the main character Jack Crabbe meets up with many historical figures who really did exist: Custer and Wild Bill Hicock, for example. He participates in events that really did happen: Sand Creek massacre, the Battle of Little Big Horn. All those things happened, but Jack Crabbe is entirely fictional as are other main characters in the book. The fact that some things did exist at the supposed time of Jesus's life is not evidence that Jesus also existed. And, in fact, there are anachronisms and things that did not happen that are mentioned. There's literary evidence that some of the Gospel writers had access to Josephus's Wars of the Jews as the basis for some of the historical setting and flavor.
I know the litany that will come up: Tacitus, Pliny's questioning of Christians, etc. The question isn't whether "Christians" existed, that is well-established. The question is whether early followers of Christianity were the disciples of a preacher Jesus from Nazareth. There are other explanations for the existence of an early Christian cult, such as Paul's belief in a heavenly figure (which is the earliest form of the belief that we have extant).
Here's how that theory goes: The merging of Platonist beliefs from the Greek world with Jewish beliefs resulted in a belief in a heavenly intercessor. You can find mention of this figure in Philo of Alexandria's works, mentioned as the logos, or the Word. This figure interceded on the behalf of humanity with a distant God. Indeed, this figure "took away the sins of the world" by becoming a heavenly sacrifice thereby replacing the need for the Temple sacrifice (see Hebrews for a description on the heavenly sacrifice). This is the figure that Paul believed in. Jesus Christ (literally "Anointed Savior") descended to earth from heaven, traveling through the heavenly layers where he was crucified by evil powers, the principalities, the Archons who failed to recognize him (See 1 Corinthians 15). By this sacrifice, Jesus atoned for the sins of mankind (and also took on the honorific "Jesus Christ"). This is all from New Testament sources. Later, this figure becomes euhemerized (see Richard Carrier's works on this).
I'm not saying which theory, if either is true, but I am saying that the question of the existence of Jesus should consider both theories fully.
Please tell me you guys were intentionally trolling us with a picture of Obiwan for 30 seconds. lol XD
April fools
I laughed out loud in the quiet break room at work just now.
Obiwan is jesus
I was thinking the same thing, is that Ben Kenobi😂
oh thank god you saw it too i thought i was losing it
Given that he's been in more TH-cam content than anyone could watch in an entire lifetime, I'm not sure Simon Whistler exists.
Im sure he doesn't know what he is talking about in half of this videos.
@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts.
He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery.
But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy"
It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host
@@TheDancerMacabre That is why I don't like this channels.
😅😅
@@misiu9049he will literally say that it’s in his eyes out his mouth and normally not thought of again. It’s the point of a team of writers🤦🏻♀️
Good to see that some people actually swiped past all the religious talk and went on the search for hard evidence.
I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.
That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting
TH-cam isn’t hard evidence
having found such hard evidence is then proof that backs up the validity of that "religious talk"
@@letsgobrandon1906 he meant the scholars and academic sources mentioned in the video... Jesus Christ, learn to infer.
Thank you for presenting this in an unbiased way.
I learned a lot, and it gave me a lot to think about. ☮
I would contest "unbiased" in that sentence.
@THE-X-Force The segment was rally focused on all the writings past Jesus's death (about 20 years past or so). The video was consistent on the fact that the were writings talking about the allegory after the fact. The story was not an original ( song of God, from a virgin...).
History should be unbiased. Sadly like science and anything else it is not.
most of what you "learned" from this dude is wrong
@@scambammer6102 I agree with you but you should try to give reason to why you believe what you believe to get someone to at least view your point as feasible. Like the fact that fact then the letter "J" wasn't in Hebrew language, meaning when there were translations made from Hebrew to English, which you can't do directly, some people added what they wanted (I. E. John Calvin, The NKJV, etc.). This is a journey we are all on, let us all help eachother get closer to the truth
Yes, let us all worship Obi-wan Kenobi of Nazareth.
Better than the actual one
And the padawans shall inherit the earth.
Well hello there😂
Modern Mythology
This comment section:
0.01% - Angry comments
99.99% - "Ohhhh these comments so spicy 🌶🔥"
Nah 99.99% are about Obi-Wan
Literally nobody has commented that 😂😭🤣
0:37 - “Well… hello there!” 😂
General jesus, you are a bold one.
Im not a believer, but I always figuredhe was a real guy. After researching all thes scholars and historians that do seem to believe he was a real person, the more i doubt. There was no doubt some guy named jesus which was a very common name, running around at that time, probably many dudes named Jesus would have been crucified since that was acommon punishment. Definitley not enough to dedicate your life and finances to.
Funny, how “older” religions like Greece, Rome, or Egypt are now myths.
Not really
Believing in those religions is closer to being an atheist than a Christian, since the gods are basically just humans with powers
@@jollyface5986 Isn't that Jesus? Human mother, god father, human with powers?
You clearly don’t know what a myth is
That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.
Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane, unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly.
Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".
"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly."
Yes, it is mundane and it separate.
You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man."
The second doesn't follow from the first logically.
That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.
The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.
@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.
@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing".
It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical".
His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural.
Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.
The Romans kept emaculate records. No mention of his sentencing. Case closed.
Are there any Roman records from the same period in Judea that address criminal trials?
@@blazinchalice yes, and we also have records of pilates actions and administration. No mention of anyone like jesus.
Incredibly interesting! Again, a marvelously researched and presented video. Thanks!
Do Muhammad next!
I think Simon would like to keep his head
@@-TriP- truth.
He should, it would be interesting to see how he dances around him being a pedophile.
It’s unequivocal fact that Muhammad existed.
More importantly, theres no reason why Muslims shouldn’t speak for their religious beliefs in the face of arrogant Athiests who think they’re the gatekeepers of facts.
I just wish Christians hat the gaul to do the same.
Yes, we need a "Was Moh@mmed a p@doph1le" episode. 🤣
Since a good amount of historians that specialize in Jesus history are also Christians there could be SOME bias. That many of the non Christian historians may be too intimidated to say there is no evidence of his existence. I'm sure there was a Rabbi named Joshua 2000 years ago in Nazareth. There is too much circumstantial evidence though that most of the story of "Jesus" was retold from other religions.
Jesus is definitely real, he fixed my air conditioning the other day. And his cousin Reynaldo fixed my toilet a few weeks before that. Good people.
That's not the right Jesus! Those two didn't play professional baseball, heretic!
The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.
Except unlike Buddism, Christianity never magically had it's texts show up 600 years after the person.
A meme within a meme. That was the original joke: someone’s grandma had a Star Wars portrait as “Jesus”.
🤣🤣🤣