if you are Houston you don't get rid of Vanvleet. He is the leader and culture setter for that squad, and you can renegotiate for a cheaper deal next year. Intangibles matter, and he is an extension of Ime.
All this can be true and he’s still a bad player for their team. He doesn’t fit, he’s in the way of other players’ development, and he’s greatly overpaid. I don’t think they will move him because they’re winning so much rn but if they want to get better at some point he will have to go.
@@WeMissDimebag they have to trade Jimmy. Or they literally lose him for nothing in the summer. I'd put a lot of money they find a way to get something from GS.
Idk if anybody’s been watching, but Jimmy has looked way more athletic and engaged mentally, either bc something happened behind the scenes or bc he’s letting other teams know he’s still got it
Yes. The people who look at counting stats think not, but his advanced stats look just as good as ever after a slow start. I was concerned at first but I think he has not declined in quality yet. Still Himmy, especially when the playoff role around.
I think he’s just mad ab Pat Riley talking shit and taking him for granted, that’s why he started the way he did. He took that team to the finals and conference finals 3 out of 4 years and they wouldn’t have gone anywhere without him. He said he didn’t take what Riley said personally but he definitely did
Elam ending is not hard to understand at all. The irony of Bill understanding the cap rules but not the idea of "add 10 points to the high score and play to that" is pretty funny.
12:33 - Love this idea. But one adjustment, use the NBA Cup games as rule testers. This would create more buzz for the NBA cup, which is what the NBA wants, and they can get instant feedback on a small sample size. Thoughts??
Nba cup games are regular season games. On top of that, if you do this then the people who don’t like the cup will just see it as even more of a gimmick, and even someone like me who likes the cup would probably like it a lot less.
Every game except for the final is a regular season game whose wins and losses count for playoff seeding and draft positioning, so changing the rules for some of them would be stupid. I'd rather they just bite the bullet and make all games Elam ending but they are too afraid of change.
I like the free-throw idea for speeding up the game, but I don't know that it really solves the problem, i.e. the motivation for the leading team to stop 3-point attempts or the team behind needing to stop the clock and get another possession with a chance to score more than the free-throw shooter. The solution seems pretty simple to me: single free-throw plus possession for over-the-limit non-shooting fouls.
End of game fouling strats extend the game, increase the drama, and provide opportunity for commercial breaks. It's basketball's version of pulling the goalie in hockey. It's not impossible to eliminate entirely, it's just that you'd probably have to replace it with a similar strategic dynamic. There would be too much time killing by the leading team if late game fouling wasn't part of the game.
Question: how is fouling to stop the clock or to stop a 3 not an intentional foul? It was when I played youth basketball. That's 2 shots and the ball. Seems like the simplest solution. If you want the ball, force a turnover. Period.
I don't hate the 2 point for the first free throw idea but I think a better idea is make the 2nd worth 2 if you make the first or alternatively you get a third if you make both. That way it eliminates the reason most teams are fouling now and that's to stop the other team attempting a 3 because if you hit both FTs then you get the 3 points. Puts an extra emphasis on good foul shooting, which should be rewarded, really kills the incentive to foul for both teams and forces them to actually play defense (I know, a foreign idea in the modern game). It also doesn't end the chaos and fun of the intentional missed FT if you do miss the first. Also think you could make any intentional foul or non-ball play a technical or even a take foul so the team keeps the ball. Could definitely give any team down less than 5 with a minute to play one foul as the rules are now just because it is a tactic to close the gap but any more than that is too much. I also think that teams should only get one timeout in the last 5 minutes of the game, give them another "advance the ball" as well, because the timeouts are just as bad as the fouling.
Damn so what in Philadelphia’s history says the Hawks were lucky vs them in 2021? Literally that has been the 76ers the entire process. I hate that conference finals run gets discounted
Exactly. This narrative is just idiotic if you go back and look at everything in that playoffs. It's wild that we never hear that the Hawks were up double digits on the Bucks in the 2nd half when Trae got hurt and was clearly never the same. Giannis got hurt later, but the Hawks w/ Trae were giving the Bucks the business until Trae got hurt. It's just a stupid narrative Trae haters like Bill have to come up with to fit the narrative.
Didn’t u say Trae Young should come off the bench last month even though he’s a career 25 and 10 guy only one other person in league history has those numbers for his entire career and that is Oscar Robertson.
I remember hearing him say that and spitting out my food. Trae so disrespected easily a top 20 player and once he gets his percentages up hell be top 15
@@9999nadia Top 20 is hilarious He's just one of those guys that will flirt with All Star appearances but will never be the best PG in his conference Shit he's the 4th best PG in his Conference right now. Arguably 5th with Cade Cunningham on the rise.
Bill, personally I love the math and need someone to uncover and find the truth within the new NBA salary cap and trade shenanigans. Keep it up, love the listen.
My out of the box suggestion to curb intentional fouling in the closing minutes would be to let the clock run once the shooter touches the ball on the second free throw, except if it is also a shooting foul. That would penalize a team a little less than 10 seconds for intentionally fouling to stop the clock.
The problem with the 2 pt free throw idea is that it eliminates the occasional strategy for the trailing team to hit the first and purposely missing the 2nd for a put back.
I think the solution to the free throw parade is to just give the team that is fouled the option of free throws or taking the ball out of bounds. If there are 3 fouls on the same possession following inbounds plays, give out a team tech
@@thehumburger6009 agreed. I mean the only way you could enforce it is if you say to the refs only call this extra ft when it's intentional but then teams will just disguise it and still foul and that is just extra gut calls for refs to make in tight games and we don't need that to decide games id rather a ft contest do that rather than a ref making judgement calls
@deepvoicedude4749 not really bc once teams seen you're just going to take the ball out rather shoot free throws you're not going to just keep fouling to waste time bc there's no advantage there.
2 pts for the 1st FT for any foul in the last minute is too gimmicky/out there and would have a huge effect on tons of games beyond the situation you're trying to correct, which is when teams ahead 3 pts in the final minute intentionally foul to prevent a 3 pt shot. The point should be to incentivize teams to play out that situation; but you don't want it affecting tie or 1- and 2-pt games where tough D could result in a foul you don't intend. I would put a limit on the number of fouls you're allowed in the last 60 or 90 seconds, maybe 1 or 2 fouls, for which play occurs the same as always, so those tight games aren't affected, after which the team that's fouled can choose either their ordinary 2 FTs or they can choose 1 FT + the ball back. So if you're up 3 there's no way you're going to keep fouling as the FT could put you up 2 and then you could end up not only tied but down 1 if they hit a 3 pt shot.
Has the NBA considered... starting AFTER the NFL? I love the NBA and i still have absolutely no idea what the in season tournament is, how it works... not a clue. NFL is KING
Warriors best hope is getting something out of Kuminga. Trading Wiggins + Pieces for Jimmy is a lateral move, or possibly a downgrade. Their best options are what they have or trades on the margins.
Agreed. Trading for a superstar would gut too much of their depth. I think they could do the Brooklyn trade in a way where they add without subtracting, thanks to the Melton contract. Bill is being generous in his assessment of their title window being 3 more years. I honestly think is probably the last decent year for them to make a run.
Dude. Stop suggesting that the rockets trade for jimmy butler. Please. In what world does that make sense? 35 years old Bill! Jimmy at least has an awesome track record with young players oh wait no he’s a locker room cancer WHO IS MORE THAN A DECADE OLDER THAN EVERY IMPORTANT PLAYER ON OUR TEAM BILL. You have no feel for this team and it’s super weird. You suggested we trade AMEN THOMPSON for butler a few weeks ago. You should be in the bad takes penalty box till 2026 for that one.
The nba doesn’t feel any less relevant than it was last year, the year before, or the year before that lmao. Maybe, just maybe, it’s currently early into a long nba season and late in both football seasons 😂
The unavoidable loss of relevancy the NBA has suffered, especially domestically, is something that diehard NBA fans either are oblivious to, or are unwilling to admit. I’ve been an NBA guy literally since I was a kid in the mid 90s, and I’ve never been less intrigued or compelled about NBA basketball than I have been this year.
I’ve said it ever since Trae Young got drafted, and I still say it to this very day; Trae Young isn’t a franchise player. He’s a nice complimentary player to an actual franchise player. The media wanted to paint this picture for Trae because he was traded on draft night to Luka. Their names will always be connected because of that. Trae Young jacks up a shit ton of 3’s from beyond the perimeter. Steph Curry obviously made a career doing so. The media said Trae Young is the next Steph curry. Steph curry is THE best shooter the NBA has EVER seen or has. Trae Young is a HORRENDOUS shooter. How the media can even logically compare the two is beyond me, and IS insulting to the great Stephen Curry. This current ATL team is a good one. Some could say it’s the best that it’s had, while Young is on the court chucking up 40 foot shots, and constantly turning the ball over. But even while this team is considered the best team that they’ve had around Young, guess what, they’re still a mediocre .500 team. This years current record only looks good because the past couple of years, they’ve been below .500. Being 2x games above .500 isn’t something to really hang your hat on if you have Young as your franchise player. That run to the ECF was an anomaly. Like Bill said, Embiid was hurt, and Simmons just lost his marbles. It wasn’t because Young was the better player out playing Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Never. He’s lived off that run for far too long, and in the end, the team not only hasn’t compete, but they’ve been well below .500 IN THE EAST. You’d think a taken the media tries to shove down our throats, by dubbing him as the next Steph curry, would be a 50+ win team year in, year out, and right there in contention for a title. Young is a “good stats, bad team” player and will always be that. His ego is what drives him to stat pad. As of right now, in today’s version of the NBA, he’s at 31% from 3. 38% on 2’s. For His CAREER, 43% from 2’s, and 35% from 3. Shooting 43% from the field from 2’d is absolutely atrocious. Everyone would be saying that 10c yrs ago. 35% in todays nba isn’t good. It’s probably average at best. 10x yrs ago, 35 from 3 was awful. Volume has changed the game but 35% from 3 IS NOT STEPH CURRY. A career over 4x TO’s a game is beyond sloppy with the ball. 12APG, so what. He plays for stats. Trae Young has always had Hunter, and that poor man never once improved because of the ball hog Young is. John Collins is a bum? Capela is a bum? Red Velvet? He’s had quality players. He doesn’t elevate anyone or make the team any better. Franchise players do that. It’s not only their job, but it’s also in their will to make everyone else better around him. Young doesn’t have that. He has an ego. Partly him and partly media fro the Luka trade, and dubbing him as the next Steph Curry. Trae Young will NEVER be THE piece to help win a championship. He might help as a role player. A complimentary player. But not as THE piece. I will NOT be surprised WHEN ATL trades him because they realized JJ, and DD, are better players to build around, and they can probably get good surrounding pieces for those two, than you can get vise Vera. I know there’s at least a couple teams out there that will bite the bait and think they can trade for Young, and be title contenders. I know the Lakers are known for being something stupid every now and then, and it seems like a Rob Pilenka move. Trae Young isn’t that guy
The trade Bill would be Butler for Wiggins, Kuminga, Melton and Santos. It works in trade machine. Picks definitely don't get included here. If you're the Warriors it's definitely fine since you don't give up picks plus if you are gonna retain Curry and Green anyways, you're shooting yourself in the foot not making a deal. If they don't do something like this this season then you've already said your fair wells to Curry and Green. It'd just be a matter of time until they decide to retire, which would just leave the Warriors in purgatory until their HoFers retire. Warriors fans likely don't enjoy the trade but Butler is definitely better than Wiggins and while you lose a younger asset in Kuminga, you'd likely get rid of him anyways at some point during a rebuild for additional assets, whatever he could get them. Ring chasing for at least 3 more years is a bit more interesting for the Warriors than being in purgatory and maybe being a year ahead in a rebuild after selling off Kuminga, which would be a guarantee to happen. Heat all of a sudden look a lot different. Melton is just going to expire, along with Robinson, Richardson, Burks and Bryant. This clears up $45 million and leaves the Heat tax free but only for a moment before re-signing Kuminga to a deal. Herro, Kuminga and Adebayo as your core leaders is an interesting trio, at least a lot better of a fit age-wise. They'll still have Wiggins, Highsmith, Rozier, Jaquez, Larrson, Love and Jovic as well as Ware/Santos who could see some time next season. They'd need to find another guard, possibly bring back Melton on a vet minimum. Wouldn't be shocked if the Heat this offseason try and off Rozier to another team. He'd be expiring and he really doesn't fit this group as they'll need a taller guard that has some good off ball tendencies on offense. Of course if Melton didn't get injured he'd be that guy, but alas. Maybe that type of trade could happen this year with Toronto in a Rozier plus a protected pick for Brown's expiring to give the Heat more cap relief in the offseason.
I don’t understand how people say they love the game of basketball but like the current situation of players staying with their own teams if they’re not happy when you want to see players move around?
I never quite understood how players with no, no trade clauses in there contracts, who want to be traded, will literally give a list of teams they would want to be traded to, knowing that the general manager could just as easily ship them to the wizards or the Raptors with no 2nd thought. These players have a really twisted sense of audacity.
The problem is that your proposal still stops the clock, that's why losing teams do it. The leading team will just dribble the ball out, so the only thing the losing team can do is foul them really since these guys are too good at dribbling and passing. My proposal is to allow the team that got fouled to have a 10 second runoff. This way at least the game ends sooner. Will be bad for comebacks tho.
@deepvoicedude4749 it leaves possession with the team that got fouled tho.. the opposing team still needs to actually make a defensive play to get the ball back instead of relying on a gimmick that by current rules(if i remember correctly) , shouldn't be allowed to happen.. If a score is to the point where one team can run out the clock and it's only a couple minutes left, the losing team deserves that loss..
Trae will start shooting better, I think Zach and Daniels will as well. That’s when they’ll be really dangerous. I’ve watched or listened to all of their games, they haven’t peaked yet. They could actually be better if Capella can finish better and Trae gets back to his normal shooting.
The rewriting of the narrative that the Hawks was all luck to get to the Eastern finals is insanely stupid. Everyone picked the Knicks to win round 1. The Philly series, same thing. People forget the Hawks were up big until Trae got hurt in that series w/ the bucks. Or they would have had a nice lead in that series. Giannis obviously got hurt too later, so it is what it is but the "everything was a fluke" so Trae gets no credit for having his team in the eastern finals is insanely stupid.
Wouldn't the Hawks be closer than the Pistons as next year's potential young contender team? Around .500 this year, rising young star, other interesting pieces. Detroit seems another year away
Trae hasn’t played with another all star (any given season), yet we’re intimating that the ECF was a fluke and we will know if he’s any good if can win. Believe me if Trae played with AD, KD, Jalen Brown or a Kyrie caliber player, he would win 50+. I do hope to see that assist: turnover ratio go to 3:1, but 2:1 isn’t terrible.
Can we just stop with the free throw at the end of game controversy. No we shouldn’t change the points of free throws under a minute, that’s absolute nonsense. It’s basketball. That’s how the last minute is going to be played if it is a close game. I get the argument that it’s not pleasing or “entertaining” to watch but this is the NBA. The win means something, the ring at the end of the season means something. If you want to watch basketball with “entertaining” rules, go watch SlamBall.
JB's contract is a problem for any team that is a real contender. Frankly I think teams will shy away from him for fear he will exercise his option. I did think about the Kings because they are stuck in a placement rut but not sure if they they are prepared to give up on Keegan Murray (with Derozan) in some sort of deal. The Heat should ride it out and bite the bullet on the season hoping JB does opt out. They still can be an attractive destination ( Taxes, property protection, coach, weather , ) etc.. At this stage of his career and his contract I would go only be interested in JB if I was convinced he would accept the Scottie Pippen role and that his presence virtually guaranteed the team being in the finals.
10:58 I like Bill's idea, but why not just give one additional free throw if it's less than 2 minutes to go? Also, I'd like to see a player taking free throws from the restricted area line if the foul occurred within the restricted area. This will take away the so called "good hard fouls" that often lead to injuries and scuffles and improve the flow of the game as well.
Because watching free throws kinda suck. If you ever watch with a casual fan, you will realize they immediately pull out their phone and start scrolling when shooters shoot free throws. More free throws aren't the way to go even if it punishes intentional fouling.
@@jackeggleston3980 so, when the clock is running out, intentionally fouling the opposition results 3 free throws can widen the gap form 2 or 3 points to 5 or 6 with just 1 foul. This should deter a team from doing it, hence fewer free throws.
Keep Jimmy and build a good team around him Bring a center that can average at least 8 blocks per game and can average at least 12 points if more even better
I don’t think butler age-wise makes sense for Houston. I’m eyeing fox for next year. Didn’t resign with the kings. Can use Jalen’s new deal to trade for him and maybe some other bit and bobs. Gives use a perimeter legit scorer and kings can hit the rebuild button
Is Shams a reliable source? All I’ve heard since his signing to ESPN is people either saying his reports could never happen, or they are false. Is Shams a sham?
He’s teams’ and agents’ #1 story plant. Low key an important role because he leaks all their thinking to us, but also means most of what he puts out there ends up being garbage!
Okay, that celtics game where they shot like 30 free throws in the last 2 minutes was so unwatchable it made me hate basketball a little cause I kept watching it, that has to end asap right now this season. Sad thing is that was a great game up until that started to happen. The only fix I see if intentional fouls 1 shot and the ball need to be called again. If you foul a person just by slapping his ass while he runs by you should be 1 shot and the ball. Also this needs to be called to allow post play in the NBA again, small guards just grabbing a big man cause the ball is passed to him is an intentional foul 1 shot and the ball.
mouse in the house rule right now is guard and if passed to foul grab whatever asap, that is not basketball that is the art of preventing basketball from happening. I want to get to see big men dunk the crapp out of the ball on the mouse in the house without a foul being called again.
right now in the NBA fouls are being used to prevent post play, if you start letting the officials call intentional fouls again you fix the post play issue and allow the end of the game to be a basketball game instead of 30 free throws in 2 minutes
If im Detroit im taking my lumps with my guys rn. Why add an expensive vet like ingram or lavine when you KNOW they dont impact winning. Now i like cam johnson there as a spark plug bench guy but hes not signing there if thats the role. He's a free agent and wants starter money.
The NBA has been negotiating their product into the ground. The load management rules have turned out to be counterproductive, the apron rules are making it harder for mid-tier contenders to rise up and the loss of Inside the NBA is just a tragedy.
Half of this is objectively wrong 😂 Inside the nba still exists, and will continue to exist next year. It’s as good as it’s ever been. Load management rules have not been counterproductive. Their load management rules pretty much are just that stars aren’t allowed to rest during primetime games. Other than that, load management is 100% accepted. That helps the product. Now the apron rules stink, but it is in no way preventing mid tier teams from rising up. The Knicks were mid tier last year, and they went all in with their current roster and look pretty good. Same with the mavs, who did it midseason last year. Cavs also went from mid to contender. Apron rules punish the good teams and the expensive teams, they don’t punish mid teams.
5 years ago, people complained that players change teams too much. Now people are whining that teams can't make trades? I feel like people are just jealous that the NBA is talked about so much so they just find a thing to whine about. Like how 20 years ago there wasn't enough scoring but by 2016 there was too much. Or how in 2018 there was no parity which is bad but now there are no superteams which is also bad? What do you guys want from the NBA because it seems like it changes every 5 years.
I wanted to listen but the ultra bottle activated my squirrel brain. Why put it front and center. Just as effective in the background. Why just one bottle. How about crack it open and sip. Hell just go full on Garth with the Reebok sponsorship from Wayne’s world.
Houston has a jalen green problem Especially at the end of games. When he scores his trash decision making and defence is brushed over But in reality they look better with thompson on the floor or Eason
I’m on the toilet rn Bill
Me too
But first.... pearl jam
I'm not
Good job! (In Bill’s voice)
Sitting on throne watching Drake Maye college highlights
Houston trading for a 35 year old Jimmy butler would be hilarious
Such a trap, and hes going to want a new contract
Thats why it won't happen. Look for a close contender or a team with crazy cap space 😂
Exactly. If you’re depending on a 35-year-old to be your missing piece for a potential championship, you might just be a fool 😂
They would be so dumb to do that!
You just know Bill doesn’t drink that piss water
It's kinda like when the Celtics are on
I can’t not picture bill Simmons drinking ultra 😂
Take a drink everytime Bill says "apron"
if you are Houston you don't get rid of Vanvleet. He is the leader and culture setter for that squad, and you can renegotiate for a cheaper deal next year. Intangibles matter, and he is an extension of Ime.
True. He's win a chip. Do you really want a team with Butler and Brooks?
Agreed, the Rockets should want to see how far the team can go b4 they make changes...there's no rush...none of their main guys are over 23 years old
@@jaronferrell3222 yep. Its exactly like OKC. See how they perform under pressure in the playoffs, and then you can make decisions after that.
All this can be true and he’s still a bad player for their team. He doesn’t fit, he’s in the way of other players’ development, and he’s greatly overpaid.
I don’t think they will move him because they’re winning so much rn but if they want to get better at some point he will have to go.
@@WeMissDimebag they have to trade Jimmy. Or they literally lose him for nothing in the summer. I'd put a lot of money they find a way to get something from GS.
Idk if anybody’s been watching, but Jimmy has looked way more athletic and engaged mentally, either bc something happened behind the scenes or bc he’s letting other teams know he’s still got it
Yes. The people who look at counting stats think not, but his advanced stats look just as good as ever after a slow start. I was concerned at first but I think he has not declined in quality yet. Still Himmy, especially when the playoff role around.
Big deal, now enjoy the newly engaged Jimmy's Butler, and stop harassing other teams with those fake trade news
I think he’s just mad ab Pat Riley talking shit and taking him for granted, that’s why he started the way he did. He took that team to the finals and conference finals 3 out of 4 years and they wouldn’t have gone anywhere without him. He said he didn’t take what Riley said personally but he definitely did
It's a contract year
Yessss some Cade love on the pod. More please Mr Simmons lol
That was a fun one thanks Bill
The Ben Simmons narrative about that playoff game is so tired. Philly wouldn’t have been that close if it wasn’t for Ben locking up on Trae
Send Kyle Anderson back here to Minnesota! SloMo!!
If it ain’t Nikola Vuecivic from Chicago, I wouldn’t budge if I’m gsw… Jimmy doesn’t fit…
@@SekeU85 wrong thread🤦🏾♂️
Elam ending is not hard to understand at all. The irony of Bill understanding the cap rules but not the idea of "add 10 points to the high score and play to that" is pretty funny.
12:33 - Love this idea. But one adjustment, use the NBA Cup games as rule testers. This would create more buzz for the NBA cup, which is what the NBA wants, and they can get instant feedback on a small sample size. Thoughts??
Nba cup games are regular season games. On top of that, if you do this then the people who don’t like the cup will just see it as even more of a gimmick, and even someone like me who likes the cup would probably like it a lot less.
Every game except for the final is a regular season game whose wins and losses count for playoff seeding and draft positioning, so changing the rules for some of them would be stupid.
I'd rather they just bite the bullet and make all games Elam ending but they are too afraid of change.
I think it would be too confusing for casuals tbh
I like the free-throw idea for speeding up the game, but I don't know that it really solves the problem, i.e. the motivation for the leading team to stop 3-point attempts or the team behind needing to stop the clock and get another possession with a chance to score more than the free-throw shooter. The solution seems pretty simple to me: single free-throw plus possession for over-the-limit non-shooting fouls.
End of game fouling strats extend the game, increase the drama, and provide opportunity for commercial breaks.
It's basketball's version of pulling the goalie in hockey.
It's not impossible to eliminate entirely, it's just that you'd probably have to replace it with a similar strategic dynamic.
There would be too much time killing by the leading team if late game fouling wasn't part of the game.
I like it. It's been done in Europe forever
Question: how is fouling to stop the clock or to stop a 3 not an intentional foul? It was when I played youth basketball. That's 2 shots and the ball. Seems like the simplest solution. If you want the ball, force a turnover. Period.
Jalen Johnson is him!
I don't hate the 2 point for the first free throw idea but I think a better idea is make the 2nd worth 2 if you make the first or alternatively you get a third if you make both.
That way it eliminates the reason most teams are fouling now and that's to stop the other team attempting a 3 because if you hit both FTs then you get the 3 points. Puts an extra emphasis on good foul shooting, which should be rewarded, really kills the incentive to foul for both teams and forces them to actually play defense (I know, a foreign idea in the modern game). It also doesn't end the chaos and fun of the intentional missed FT if you do miss the first.
Also think you could make any intentional foul or non-ball play a technical or even a take foul so the team keeps the ball. Could definitely give any team down less than 5 with a minute to play one foul as the rules are now just because it is a tactic to close the gap but any more than that is too much.
I also think that teams should only get one timeout in the last 5 minutes of the game, give them another "advance the ball" as well, because the timeouts are just as bad as the fouling.
Nah don’t like it keep it the same for historical reasons
Atlanta has been awesome to watch particularly Dyson!
Damn so what in Philadelphia’s history says the Hawks were lucky vs them in 2021? Literally that has been the 76ers the entire process. I hate that conference finals run gets discounted
Fr the hawks were never lucky against anybody in their ECF run they basically outplayed their entire competition
Exactly. This narrative is just idiotic if you go back and look at everything in that playoffs. It's wild that we never hear that the Hawks were up double digits on the Bucks in the 2nd half when Trae got hurt and was clearly never the same. Giannis got hurt later, but the Hawks w/ Trae were giving the Bucks the business until Trae got hurt. It's just a stupid narrative Trae haters like Bill have to come up with to fit the narrative.
Didn’t u say Trae Young should come off the bench last month even though he’s a career 25 and 10 guy only one other person in league history has those numbers for his entire career and that is Oscar Robertson.
I remember hearing him say that and spitting out my food. Trae so disrespected easily a top 20 player and once he gets his percentages up hell be top 15
The most underrated player in the nba
Bill always disrespects Trae, Trae is already one of the greatest offensive players in league history
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@@9999nadia Top 20 is hilarious
He's just one of those guys that will flirt with All Star appearances but will never be the best PG in his conference
Shit he's the 4th best PG in his Conference right now. Arguably 5th with Cade Cunningham on the rise.
Bill, personally I love the math and need someone to uncover and find the truth within the new NBA salary cap and trade shenanigans. Keep it up, love the listen.
Bill how you don't understand the Elam ending literally every pickup game around the world ends in that lol
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Your freethrow idea is genius son!
I agree with the Pistons next year breakout take.
timestamps!
My out of the box suggestion to curb intentional fouling in the closing minutes would be to let the clock run once the shooter touches the ball on the second free throw, except if it is also a shooting foul. That would penalize a team a little less than 10 seconds for intentionally fouling to stop the clock.
The problem with the 2 pt free throw idea is that it eliminates the occasional strategy for the trailing team to hit the first and purposely missing the 2nd for a put back.
I think the solution to the free throw parade is to just give the team that is fouled the option of free throws or taking the ball out of bounds. If there are 3 fouls on the same possession following inbounds plays, give out a team tech
Honestly I like that more than bills idea bc in bills idea guys are going to flop like a mfer late trying to get that extra point.
Bill's idea is unrealistic as it would affect tons of tight games where tough D results in fouls that aren't intentional. This would work much better.
@@thehumburger6009 agreed. I mean the only way you could enforce it is if you say to the refs only call this extra ft when it's intentional but then teams will just disguise it and still foul and that is just extra gut calls for refs to make in tight games and we don't need that to decide games id rather a ft contest do that rather than a ref making judgement calls
That still stops the clock, and teams would probably rather defend an out of bounds play. So doesn't solve the issue.
@deepvoicedude4749 not really bc once teams seen you're just going to take the ball out rather shoot free throws you're not going to just keep fouling to waste time bc there's no advantage there.
2 pts for the 1st FT for any foul in the last minute is too gimmicky/out there and would have a huge effect on tons of games beyond the situation you're trying to correct, which is when teams ahead 3 pts in the final minute intentionally foul to prevent a 3 pt shot. The point should be to incentivize teams to play out that situation; but you don't want it affecting tie or 1- and 2-pt games where tough D could result in a foul you don't intend.
I would put a limit on the number of fouls you're allowed in the last 60 or 90 seconds, maybe 1 or 2 fouls, for which play occurs the same as always, so those tight games aren't affected, after which the team that's fouled can choose either their ordinary 2 FTs or they can choose 1 FT + the ball back. So if you're up 3 there's no way you're going to keep fouling as the FT could put you up 2 and then you could end up not only tied but down 1 if they hit a 3 pt shot.
Plus it would have an effect gambling player props, ikno ikno it's not about catering to sports books but they would object
Jimmy butler isn't worth the risk for any young team, he might be the leader but he might also cosplay as MJ and end up with everyone hating him
Has the NBA considered... starting AFTER the NFL?
I love the NBA and i still have absolutely no idea what the in season tournament is, how it works... not a clue.
NFL is KING
Warriors best hope is getting something out of Kuminga. Trading Wiggins + Pieces for Jimmy is a lateral move, or possibly a downgrade. Their best options are what they have or trades on the margins.
Agreed. Trading for a superstar would gut too much of their depth. I think they could do the Brooklyn trade in a way where they add without subtracting, thanks to the Melton contract.
Bill is being generous in his assessment of their title window being 3 more years. I honestly think is probably the last decent year for them to make a run.
Surprised Bill doesn’t mention that butler is born in Houston and grew up there, had a tough childhood. The homecoming piece
Dude. Stop suggesting that the rockets trade for jimmy butler. Please. In what world does that make sense? 35 years old Bill! Jimmy at least has an awesome track record with young players oh wait no he’s a locker room cancer WHO IS MORE THAN A DECADE OLDER THAN EVERY IMPORTANT PLAYER ON OUR TEAM BILL. You have no feel for this team and it’s super weird. You suggested we trade AMEN THOMPSON for butler a few weeks ago. You should be in the bad takes penalty box till 2026 for that one.
Heat should trade jimmy for Bill straight up
Even that would be a win for heat
What bill Josh Allen hell yeah lol
The foul off issue is resolved the same way the 3-pt volume is resolved: extend the 3pt line to create more of an equilibrium
Make them shoot free throws from the half court line.
Butler to Atlanta?
Don't wanna trade Wiggins
The NBA talent to popularity scale is out of whack. The players are extremely talented, but The NBA has taken a severe hit as far as relevance
If you assume the TV views are the end all be all sure but if you account for literally any other metric to consume the NBA it's never been better
The nba doesn’t feel any less relevant than it was last year, the year before, or the year before that lmao. Maybe, just maybe, it’s currently early into a long nba season and late in both football seasons 😂
Someone is slurping NFL propaganda.
People don't watch the games on TV. Simple as. But the NBA has to focus on TV because they sell these huge contracts.
The unavoidable loss of relevancy the NBA has suffered, especially domestically, is something that diehard NBA fans either are oblivious to, or are unwilling to admit. I’ve been an NBA guy literally since I was a kid in the mid 90s, and I’ve never been less intrigued or compelled about NBA basketball than I have been this year.
The goat bill simmons
I’ve said it ever since Trae Young got drafted, and I still say it to this very day; Trae Young isn’t a franchise player. He’s a nice complimentary player to an actual franchise player. The media wanted to paint this picture for Trae because he was traded on draft night to Luka. Their names will always be connected because of that. Trae Young jacks up a shit ton of 3’s from beyond the perimeter. Steph Curry obviously made a career doing so. The media said Trae Young is the next Steph curry. Steph curry is THE best shooter the NBA has EVER seen or has. Trae Young is a HORRENDOUS shooter. How the media can even logically compare the two is beyond me, and IS insulting to the great Stephen Curry. This current ATL team is a good one. Some could say it’s the best that it’s had, while Young is on the court chucking up 40 foot shots, and constantly turning the ball over. But even while this team is considered the best team that they’ve had around Young, guess what, they’re still a mediocre .500 team. This years current record only looks good because the past couple of years, they’ve been below .500. Being 2x games above .500 isn’t something to really hang your hat on if you have Young as your franchise player. That run to the ECF was an anomaly. Like Bill said, Embiid was hurt, and Simmons just lost his marbles. It wasn’t because Young was the better player out playing Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Never. He’s lived off that run for far too long, and in the end, the team not only hasn’t compete, but they’ve been well below .500 IN THE EAST. You’d think a taken the media tries to shove down our throats, by dubbing him as the next Steph curry, would be a 50+ win team year in, year out, and right there in contention for a title. Young is a “good stats, bad team” player and will always be that. His ego is what drives him to stat pad. As of right now, in today’s version of the NBA, he’s at 31% from 3. 38% on 2’s. For His CAREER, 43% from 2’s, and 35% from 3. Shooting 43% from the field from 2’d is absolutely atrocious. Everyone would be saying that 10c yrs ago. 35% in todays nba isn’t good. It’s probably average at best. 10x yrs ago, 35 from 3 was awful. Volume has changed the game but 35% from 3 IS NOT STEPH CURRY. A career over 4x TO’s a game is beyond sloppy with the ball. 12APG, so what. He plays for stats. Trae Young has always had Hunter, and that poor man never once improved because of the ball hog Young is. John Collins is a bum? Capela is a bum? Red Velvet? He’s had quality players. He doesn’t elevate anyone or make the team any better. Franchise players do that. It’s not only their job, but it’s also in their will to make everyone else better around him. Young doesn’t have that. He has an ego. Partly him and partly media fro the Luka trade, and dubbing him as the next Steph Curry. Trae Young will NEVER be THE piece to help win a championship. He might help as a role player. A complimentary player. But not as THE piece. I will NOT be surprised WHEN ATL trades him because they realized JJ, and DD, are better players to build around, and they can probably get good surrounding pieces for those two, than you can get vise Vera. I know there’s at least a couple teams out there that will bite the bait and think they can trade for Young, and be title contenders. I know the Lakers are known for being something stupid every now and then, and it seems like a Rob Pilenka move. Trae Young isn’t that guy
Need time stamps man
As a Bulls fan, I want Jimmy back. We never should have traded him in the first damn place........
The 2 point free throw idea sucks
The trade Bill would be Butler for Wiggins, Kuminga, Melton and Santos. It works in trade machine. Picks definitely don't get included here. If you're the Warriors it's definitely fine since you don't give up picks plus if you are gonna retain Curry and Green anyways, you're shooting yourself in the foot not making a deal. If they don't do something like this this season then you've already said your fair wells to Curry and Green. It'd just be a matter of time until they decide to retire, which would just leave the Warriors in purgatory until their HoFers retire.
Warriors fans likely don't enjoy the trade but Butler is definitely better than Wiggins and while you lose a younger asset in Kuminga, you'd likely get rid of him anyways at some point during a rebuild for additional assets, whatever he could get them. Ring chasing for at least 3 more years is a bit more interesting for the Warriors than being in purgatory and maybe being a year ahead in a rebuild after selling off Kuminga, which would be a guarantee to happen.
Heat all of a sudden look a lot different. Melton is just going to expire, along with Robinson, Richardson, Burks and Bryant. This clears up $45 million and leaves the Heat tax free but only for a moment before re-signing Kuminga to a deal. Herro, Kuminga and Adebayo as your core leaders is an interesting trio, at least a lot better of a fit age-wise. They'll still have Wiggins, Highsmith, Rozier, Jaquez, Larrson, Love and Jovic as well as Ware/Santos who could see some time next season. They'd need to find another guard, possibly bring back Melton on a vet minimum. Wouldn't be shocked if the Heat this offseason try and off Rozier to another team. He'd be expiring and he really doesn't fit this group as they'll need a taller guard that has some good off ball tendencies on offense. Of course if Melton didn't get injured he'd be that guy, but alas. Maybe that type of trade could happen this year with Toronto in a Rozier plus a protected pick for Brown's expiring to give the Heat more cap relief in the offseason.
Almost called the Warriors/Netw trade 👏🏾
I don’t understand how people say they love the game of basketball but like the current situation of players staying with their own teams if they’re not happy when you want to see players move around?
Because teams would pay out a max deal, and then the player demands a trade a year in, which is frustrating for the fan base and the team.
We should all be friends and Universally just accept Wilt is the GOAT 😂
That is a good trade idea. And i saw fvv in high school
Solid six pack
The guy who peddled defunding the police now peddles alcohol and online gambling the world is just perfect
It is unfortunate that Trae has been hurt this season.
I definitely want players getting more points; I keep saying, offense is too hard in today's NBA, it's getting ridiculous.
I never quite understood how players with no, no trade clauses in there contracts, who want to be traded, will literally give a list of teams they would want to be traded to, knowing that the general manager could just as easily ship them to the wizards or the Raptors with no 2nd thought. These players have a really twisted sense of audacity.
Because another team wouldn’t want to trade for a player who doesn’t want to be there
Dont put the raptors next to the wizards like that.... Please 😂
Any foul that's not a play on the ball should be a tech, so if you intentionally foul they get a free throw and the ball
The problem is that your proposal still stops the clock, that's why losing teams do it. The leading team will just dribble the ball out, so the only thing the losing team can do is foul them really since these guys are too good at dribbling and passing. My proposal is to allow the team that got fouled to have a 10 second runoff. This way at least the game ends sooner. Will be bad for comebacks tho.
Final four minutes the points should be awarded to the team that's fouled and they should keep the ball
@deepvoicedude4749 it leaves possession with the team that got fouled tho.. the opposing team still needs to actually make a defensive play to get the ball back instead of relying on a gimmick that by current rules(if i remember correctly) , shouldn't be allowed to happen..
If a score is to the point where one team can run out the clock and it's only a couple minutes left, the losing team deserves that loss..
Why? So if you’re down 2 with no shot clock and the other team has the ball the game is just over? That’s dumb lmao
@@eliyarrows2456 So steal or trap. Or fail. Just force play rather than the automatic foul shots.
Your prospective Butler trade smells like Heat hate. The Heat don’t want Van Fleet.
No way we are policing free throws now LOL
Rockets trading for Jimmy would be the biggest mistake of all time
I like that move Cam and Dennis to GW rather than Jimmy
Trae will start shooting better, I think Zach and Daniels will as well. That’s when they’ll be really dangerous. I’ve watched or listened to all of their games, they haven’t peaked yet. They could actually be better if Capella can finish better and Trae gets back to his normal shooting.
The rewriting of the narrative that the Hawks was all luck to get to the Eastern finals is insanely stupid. Everyone picked the Knicks to win round 1. The Philly series, same thing. People forget the Hawks were up big until Trae got hurt in that series w/ the bucks. Or they would have had a nice lead in that series. Giannis obviously got hurt too later, so it is what it is but the "everything was a fluke" so Trae gets no credit for having his team in the eastern finals is insanely stupid.
His a real heat hater 😂
His 😂
Hates the Lakers even more
Here after GSW get Schroeder, good call Bill
Wouldn't the Hawks be closer than the Pistons as next year's potential young contender team? Around .500 this year, rising young star, other interesting pieces. Detroit seems another year away
That's what I was thinking 🤔
Trae hasn’t played with another all star (any given season), yet we’re intimating that the ECF was a fluke and we will know if he’s any good if can win. Believe me if Trae played with AD, KD, Jalen Brown or a Kyrie caliber player, he would win 50+. I do hope to see that assist: turnover ratio go to 3:1, but 2:1 isn’t terrible.
Agreed & Imo Quinn S is a really good coach
Love the rockets trade
Can you drink the beer or open it?
The free throw end of game take was idiotic. Just do the elam ending.
GSW doesn't need Jimmy. GSW needs Jordan Poole, oddly enough.
Hard to give Trae credit after you have said so much bs that never added up 😅
For the love of god, PLEASE make the rule 1 shot for 2 points. SPEEED UP the end of the game. Period
Hello William!
Can we just stop with the free throw at the end of game controversy. No we shouldn’t change the points of free throws under a minute, that’s absolute nonsense. It’s basketball. That’s how the last minute is going to be played if it is a close game. I get the argument that it’s not pleasing or “entertaining” to watch but this is the NBA. The win means something, the ring at the end of the season means something. If you want to watch basketball with “entertaining” rules, go watch SlamBall.
The hawks need a center ... Ayton would be the move
Absolutely not
12 rebounds a game is awesome not just solid bill 🤷🏾♂️
JB's contract is a problem for any team that is a real contender. Frankly I think teams will shy away from him for fear he will exercise his option. I did think about the Kings because they are stuck in a placement rut but not sure if they they are prepared to give up on Keegan Murray
(with Derozan) in some sort of deal. The Heat should ride it out and bite the bullet on the season hoping JB does opt out. They still can be an attractive destination ( Taxes, property protection, coach, weather , ) etc.. At this stage of his career and his contract I would go only be interested in JB if I was convinced he would accept the Scottie Pippen role and that his presence virtually guaranteed the team being in the finals.
I'd like jalen johnson from the hawks jejeje
10:58 I like Bill's idea, but why not just give one additional free throw if it's less than 2 minutes to go? Also, I'd like to see a player taking free throws from the restricted area line if the foul occurred within the restricted area. This will take away the so called "good hard fouls" that often lead to injuries and scuffles and improve the flow of the game as well.
Cause then you’re spending an additional 30 secs watching a third free throw
Because watching free throws kinda suck. If you ever watch with a casual fan, you will realize they immediately pull out their phone and start scrolling when shooters shoot free throws. More free throws aren't the way to go even if it punishes intentional fouling.
@@jackeggleston3980 so, when the clock is running out, intentionally fouling the opposition results 3 free throws can widen the gap form 2 or 3 points to 5 or 6 with just 1 foul. This should deter a team from doing it, hence fewer free throws.
The 50 club seems awfully era specific
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Jimmy should go to Denver for my sake but Houston is the right trade probably
Keep Jimmy and build a good team around him
Bring a center that can average at least 8 blocks per game and can average at least 12 points if more even better
Lol I don't think Shawn Bradley & will combined averaged 8 blocks a game
Bill use to mock Mike and mike for their "how to fix baseball" segments which he now does weekly for the NBA lol
how did you say kareem is the highest ever? did i miss something?? wilt had 50.4pts, 25.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists in the 1961-1962 szn… that’s 78.5 pra
He said since the Wilt/Russell era
I don’t think butler age-wise makes sense for Houston. I’m eyeing fox for next year. Didn’t resign with the kings. Can use Jalen’s new deal to trade for him and maybe some other bit and bobs. Gives use a perimeter legit scorer and kings can hit the rebuild button
Sochan should be 6th man off the bench. Spurs best lineups is with 4 shooters around Wemby
Need more NFL talk Bill, NBA has been a snooze this season
Moody can't be traded this year
Is Shams a reliable source? All I’ve heard since his signing to ESPN is people either saying his reports could never happen, or they are false. Is Shams a sham?
He’s teams’ and agents’ #1 story plant. Low key an important role because he leaks all their thinking to us, but also means most of what he puts out there ends up being garbage!
He's like schefter: he's a pro league/team source guy only.
So whenever you read a story from him, just know it comes from the teams perspective.
"brooklyn's going to have to start sabotaging their own team"
I'm against the two point free throw idea because my small market team lacking a superstar doesnt get calls in the last two minutes
TBF , isn't bs talking about fouls called to prevent 3pt shots ? Your point is valid tho
Why would anybody in the NBA want to give Pat Riley an easy way out? Hasn't he burned every bridge by now? Miami and Butler deserve each other.
here's who's in the 50 club since the merger: *proceeds to name a number of examples pre-merger
lol good ole Bill
why not just treat the take fouls like they do clear path, one free throw and the ball
Okay, that celtics game where they shot like 30 free throws in the last 2 minutes was so unwatchable it made me hate basketball a little cause I kept watching it, that has to end asap right now this season. Sad thing is that was a great game up until that started to happen. The only fix I see if intentional fouls 1 shot and the ball need to be called again. If you foul a person just by slapping his ass while he runs by you should be 1 shot and the ball. Also this needs to be called to allow post play in the NBA again, small guards just grabbing a big man cause the ball is passed to him is an intentional foul 1 shot and the ball.
mouse in the house rule right now is guard and if passed to foul grab whatever asap, that is not basketball that is the art of preventing basketball from happening. I want to get to see big men dunk the crapp out of the ball on the mouse in the house without a foul being called again.
right now in the NBA fouls are being used to prevent post play, if you start letting the officials call intentional fouls again you fix the post play issue and allow the end of the game to be a basketball game instead of 30 free throws in 2 minutes
If im Detroit im taking my lumps with my guys rn. Why add an expensive vet like ingram or lavine when you KNOW they dont impact winning. Now i like cam johnson there as a spark plug bench guy but hes not signing there if thats the role. He's a free agent and wants starter money.
The NBA has been negotiating their product into the ground. The load management rules have turned out to be counterproductive, the apron rules are making it harder for mid-tier contenders to rise up and the loss of Inside the NBA is just a tragedy.
Half of this is objectively wrong 😂
Inside the nba still exists, and will continue to exist next year. It’s as good as it’s ever been.
Load management rules have not been counterproductive. Their load management rules pretty much are just that stars aren’t allowed to rest during primetime games. Other than that, load management is 100% accepted. That helps the product.
Now the apron rules stink, but it is in no way preventing mid tier teams from rising up. The Knicks were mid tier last year, and they went all in with their current roster and look pretty good. Same with the mavs, who did it midseason last year. Cavs also went from mid to contender.
Apron rules punish the good teams and the expensive teams, they don’t punish mid teams.
5 years ago, people complained that players change teams too much. Now people are whining that teams can't make trades?
I feel like people are just jealous that the NBA is talked about so much so they just find a thing to whine about. Like how 20 years ago there wasn't enough scoring but by 2016 there was too much. Or how in 2018 there was no parity which is bad but now there are no superteams which is also bad? What do you guys want from the NBA because it seems like it changes every 5 years.
NBA needs to let the team's lower spend the luxury tax apron or 3 Melton Kyle looney a pick or 2 for Jimbo
I wanted to listen but the ultra bottle activated my squirrel brain. Why put it front and center. Just as effective in the background. Why just one bottle. How about crack it open and sip. Hell just go full on Garth with the Reebok sponsorship from Wayne’s world.
Houston has a jalen green problem
Especially at the end of games.
When he scores his trash decision making and defence is brushed over
But in reality they look better with thompson on the floor or Eason