Jerry Goldsmith - Music for Orchestra

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  • @annakimborahpa
    @annakimborahpa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Goldsmith later reflected that the piece was a result of much turbulence in his life, stating, "I was going through a divorce and my mother was seriously ill with cancer." Goldsmith continued, "All of my personal turmoil - pain, anger, and sorrow - went into writing 'Music for Orchestra' in strict dodecaphonic form." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Goldsmith

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    @13Orcun Holst's "The Planets" is one of my all-time favorite bodies of musical work.
    Personally, I don't think you should mention Hans Zimmer in the same breath with Holst, Williams, and Goldsmith. The man doesn't know the meaning of classical music. Besides a couple Holst-influenced cues in "Gladiator", Zimmer's music is primarily rock-oriented, synth percussion-saturated, woodwind-bereft, angsty, generic kitsch. I think he is example of all that is wrong with film music today.

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How correct you are, Black Knight. One could also add the rumour that Zimmer can't even read or write music [employing his 'ghost writers' to do so for him].

    • @Kiarinadia
      @Kiarinadia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Totally agree. It is the most overrated film music prominent composer !

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  15 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is definitely worth the purchase. A unique side to Goldsmith's composing style which Hollywood too rarely let him explore.

  • @fabrizziodenegri5417
    @fabrizziodenegri5417 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    magnificent! a superb synthesis of artistic music from the entire 20th century

  • @soundtreks
    @soundtreks 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just ordered this CD and from what I hear this sounds fantastic!
    Long live Goldsmith!

  • @emptymorphous
    @emptymorphous 14 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    LOVE GOLDSMITH !!!!!!!!!

  • @jandreidrn
    @jandreidrn 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what a wonderful piece of work from the late Jery Goldsmith. I haven't been much of a Goldsmith fan being more of a John Williams but I recently begun to appreciate more of Goldsmith's work. It's a shame I can't find anymore of Goldsmith's concertos and live concerts in the web. I would've love to see Goldsmith perform live.

  • @swatch71
    @swatch71 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent to hear! I have been a fan of Goldsmith for over 30 years, since seeing Star Trek The Motion Picture at age 8.

  • @RogueRotting360
    @RogueRotting360 13 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The first fully 12 tone score was Leonard Rosenan's The Cobweb.

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In the USA at least.

  • @zerokomma
    @zerokomma 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing short of brilliant!Great music by the Master!

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @13Orcun Certainly there are obvious elements of Holst (as well as Wagner, Respighi and several other classical composers) in the works of Williams, Goldsmith, Danny Elfman, etc., but by the same token, Holst derived heavily from his own predecessors as did his predecessors before him. Music, like any art form, evolves by culling from antecedents.

    • @soundtreks
      @soundtreks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think Goldsmith was more influenced by Berg and Bartok with a touch of Stravinsky as well. I always found Berg the most successful of the three serialists as he was able to marry the system with a dramatic framework that translates to a more relatable listening experience. The middle movement of this work is haunting and very exquisite. I studied under James Tenney when I took composition in university and he was always pushing us to think about music outside of traditional conditioning.

  • @thatscousedude
    @thatscousedude 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this! Sounds like the gates of hell opening.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @Kuplungmaster Yes. It is a shame Goldsmith never composed more concert pieces.

  • @jslasher1
    @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but Jerry's "Planet of the Apes" is NOT the first completely [what do you mean by that?] 12-tone score for a motion picture. That honour goes to the British composer Elizabeth Lutyens for the Hammer film known as "The Terrornauts". In America, Leonard Rosenman holds pride-of-place for the M-G-M film, "The Cobweb".

  • @TheStockwell
    @TheStockwell 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @RogueRotting360 You know your scores! David Raksin used a 12-tone row at the beginning of 1951's "The Man With a Cloak" but didn't take any further than the main title sequence.

  • @RogueRotting360
    @RogueRotting360 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Skull10 Jerry Goldsmith confirmed in an interview himself. A 12 tone score was allowed, because the film was dealing with mental patients. If you listen to it, it bares a lot in common with Schoenberg's Piano Concerto, Op. 42.
    Rosenman and North were a big influences on Goldsmith's early sound.

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      An excellent observation.

  • @ildefonso1965
    @ildefonso1965 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WOW!

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @RogueRotting360 Are you sure of this? I haven't seen the film/heard the score, but I see it was released in 1955. I find it difficult to believe that a studio picture in the 50's would allow the film's entire score to be composed in what was then a highly experimental, avant-garde technique. (12-tone was a pariah with popular audiences at this time.)

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    The particular piece is "Music for Orchesta", but it's included with "Fireworks" on the album "Christus Apollo", featuring the title piece.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Bobbotov I wasn't comparing this to Schoenberg, just pointing out that it was composed using the 12-tone system, which Schoenberg popularized among his contemporary composers.

    • @michaelericksonmusic
      @michaelericksonmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe in parts. But this is not "a 12-tone piece."

    • @Skull10
      @Skull10  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelericksonmusic It is, it just uses "tone clusters" within the dodecaphony.

  • @13Orcun
    @13Orcun 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Certainly everybody derive from others, past but, I think we must look degree of orginallity in music, i feel that Holst music's degree of orginallity is high undoubtly he derived from others, film music's degree of orginallity is low, they derived heavily from Holst. Anyway i m happy with film music and i like film music composers and thank you for your comments only i imagine that maybe holst's name is heard more i think it s heard very little in this matter, it would be fair

  • @Galacticnaturalist
    @Galacticnaturalist 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This reminds me of the soundtrack in dragonslayer

  • @jandreidrn
    @jandreidrn 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn't help but compare this to a recent concerto work called "Soundings" by John Williams written for the opening of the Walt Disney Concert Hall in 2003. Just search it here on TH-cam.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @spacepatrolman I certainly enjoy and respect the 12-tone system of composition, but I must say, the prevailing thought among "serious" composers, during the mid to late 20th Century, that it was the ONLY true form of progressive composition, was nothing less than artistic fascism.
    Unfortunately, the pendulum of prejudice has swung the other way, and the system is now a black sheep (especially among film scorers).

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never liked Schoenberg; neither did Clifton Williams, my composition teacher.

  • @Stereozentrum
    @Stereozentrum 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, that's so fucking true.

  • @NeoFallR
    @NeoFallR 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great. It's so annoying to me that the concert work of film composers is so hard to find, even John williams', especially when it's as good as this.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Xenofan29A Schoenberg's music was even more atonal. There are points in this piece that are almost tonal and melodic.
    And yes, I miss Goldsmith and his music. It seems most of the great film composers have died or are dying off. I fear that John Williams' remaining years are few.
    Fortunately, there are a few young composers who have done and admirable job of receiving the torch, Michael Giacchino being one of the best.

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      To which I add Alexandre Desplat.

    • @michaelericksonmusic
      @michaelericksonmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alomost? It is. This ain't 12-tone.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His work on the new Batman films are their only real flaw, in my opinion.
    As far as today's crop of up-and-coming film score composers is concerned, I think Michael Giacchino is the best. He's mastered the Williams/Goldsmith traditional style ("Cloverfield" overture/"Star Trek"/"Medal of Honor" video games) but can spice things up with his own jazzy and modernistic style ("Speed Racer"/"Alias" TV series).

  • @MeIancholyMan
    @MeIancholyMan 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Toe-may-toe.. toe-mah-toe.. but I hear you. ;)

  • @13Orcun
    @13Orcun 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Skull10 maybe you are right about hans zimmer because i don t know his all music but you didn t say clearly about others.

  • @MaxRidgway
    @MaxRidgway 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    A wonderful work. Is it called "Chistus Apollo" or "Music for Orhcestra"? I'd love to find a recording of it. Thanks for posting it.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's one classification. However, the music of contemporary composers such as Philip Glass, John Adams, and Steven Reich is also considered "classical".

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Skull10 For a good example of his flavor and style, I recommend his score to the "Medal of Honor: Frontline" video game. "Speed Racer" is an amazing score in that it seamlessly blends traditional orchestral score elements with John Barry/007 style jazz in an utterly fun and delightful fashion. Really like his operatic overture, "Roar", the only music composed for "Cloverfield", which plays during the end credits. The "Star Trek" score was repetitive and lacking an engaging theme, I thought.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Classical" is one of the most subjective and vague terms used to describe music. Many consider the music of the Beatles and Led Zeppelin as literal "classical" music. You do realize, also, that much of the music now universally regarded as "classical" was considered by its contemporaries to be "popular" or "incidental" music. That's why I generally evade the term "classical", and refer to my music of choice as "orchstral" or "symphonic". "Classical" is a just a word for pretentious cliques.

    • @conormccarthy8437
      @conormccarthy8437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, but that's utter nonsense. You have cast aside many types classical music which are neither orchestral nor symphonic: String quartets and for that matter all other chamber music! All solo works ever...I won't go on. Classical music is not a term for pretentious cliques any more than pop music, drum and bass, world music, jazz.... it's a completely valid term, and to refer to the massive world of classical music just as orchestral or symphonic is insulting. Boo. Boo I say!

  • @Bobbotov
    @Bobbotov 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This sounds more like Edgar Varese to me than Schoenberg

    • @jslasher1
      @jslasher1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's spelt EdgarD Varese. He was the greatest composer of the 20th-century in my opinion.

    • @soundtreks
      @soundtreks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Goldsmith was influenced by Bartok, Berg and for POtA Varèse for sure.

  • @13Orcun
    @13Orcun 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    don't forget this music owe to gustav holst. Almost all film musics which about war or like that stole many things from Holst music. John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Hans Zimmer etc... all of them would make different if Holst didn t live !!! i m only worried and surprised about why Holst's name isn't heard.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10  16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I find even more annoying, is that film score composers are rarely taken seriously as composers of classical music, even when they have proven that they can compose masterful concert pieces, as have Williams and Goldsmith.
    Some of the best music from the 20th - and most of the best music from the 21st Century so far - has been composed for movies.