When I played Tyke and Sons, I thought the creator was just adding their own unhinged spin into the game with the dialogue and insane mushroom. Now I know that they were just being faithful to the original.
exactly! like I thought the game was a wild spin on chipper and sons but watching this video made me realize its unhinged nature is just the same as its original
@@Twistedslop62 if Mike is Tyke, then who is Chippers missing son? I don't think Crying Child, he doesn't seem malicious, maybe Elizabeth, even though she's a daughter?
@@Twistedslop62 yeah but the missing son was evil that's the reason why he was dismantled in the first place. While Elizabeth wasn't originally evil, she later became evil
Some of this stuff shows that the elements introduced in FNAF (mainly the books) like humans being robots, ghosts, grief and anger leading to living creations, eating people, etc. were already used by Scott, just another result of Scott taking his experience and interests and inserting them into FNAF When are we gonna get those war crimes in FNAF though
If you told me this was all just an elaborate joke and the real game wasn't like this, I would believe you. On the other hand, this IS Scott we're talking about- I'm just shocked his writing was always this dark
Chipper was a convicted war criminal, while in service his comrades refereed to him as “the woodchipper” due to his brutal often unnecessary ways of killing. Though a offical number has never been given his body count is estimated to be millions. After the war chipper was asked his to answer for his crimes, the only thing he ever Sayed was “It was funny”
I can see why Scott felt so much frustration. This game has a lot of heart in it and is genuinely good. If this was originally made as a fnaf fan game it would have prolly gone viral and been loved if it was just saw in a different light
You know how they say that a writer works in grooves (essentially that a writer tends to repeat aspects of their previous works)? I wonder if a lot of FNaF could be better understood when discussing repeated themes from Scott’s previous titles
I mean. A good chunk of his previous work was Christianity-based, so I'm not sure if you can tie too many parallels between them and the scary bear game.
@@kidsto2612 As a Christian, there are a lot of interesting things about how the souls in FNaF are handled. It feels like Scott backpedaled on his original depiction of possession because of how much it jarred with his faith. The modern take (remnant, agony, and the soul typically not being the exact person but something that came to life from them) seems to be an attempt to make a happy medium. Of course, there are still some typical possessions, namely Puppet, Baby, William, Michael, and Golden Freddy (possibly) but these characters either stick around to help stop this madness (Puppet, Michael, maybe Golden Freddy) or are evil and, at least in some denominations, would have earned a damnation of some kind (William, Baby, maybe Golden Freddy). Moving to ai possession within the conscious mind steers out of the possible religious hurdles Scott might have felt uncomfortable with while also allowing him to utilize more Sci-Fi elements, which he admits to have a basis for in his writing. Long ramble short, I don't think any of his previous works involving Christianity would create too many hurdles in drawing parallels. Besides, I think we'll be looking more for themes and characterization rather than the set dressing of how those are portrayed (for a lack of better term). Karma, unfairness in life, justice, and abusive home life (especially from parents) seem to be common in Scott's works no matter the material
Chipper = William Afton Mrs. Chipper = Mrs. Afton Tyke = Mike Afton Chipper's other son = Crying Child Father Tree = Elizabeth Afton King Termite = Henry
Did you not know Scott actually was gonna end it all he had a life insurance plan and everything but they rejected him so yeah that was fortunate but dude if it wasn’t for fnaf success I’m fearing he would and the way he was upset about the fnaf movie really concerned me but I’m happy he’s honest of his mistakes but god it feels uncomfortable when he’s just feels like that
1) this sounds like a fnaf prototype...MANY elements remind me of later fnaf stuff, like that frog is literally Old man consequences, a shadow being Ballon boy and so on 2) I get that dark humor exists, but um....is Scott surely ok?
I actually never saw my first meeting with the Traveler. I literally got up, didn’t pause the game, left Tyke standing as I went to the bathroom, only to come back seeing him careening through space with the Traveler.
The fact this is a kids' game, this makes that fangame that has FNaF(keeping an eye on the house at night due to robots) seem tame though I don't know much about the game past the night time mode nor this so who knows. I knew about this game & that it led to the idea of FNaF along with having cameos in FNaF stuff(FNaF World & the taco place in Security Breach) but had no idea just how much insanity was in this. I feel bad for Tyke & hope he finds a nursing home with good security or something for his dad.(So the dad can't escape & cause more havoc)
7:03 From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve the Omnissiah
I do kind of like that it seems like a lot of the ideas introduced in Chipper & Sons (note sonS) were explored more thoroughly in FNaF, especially through William and Henry. Mostly Henry, honestly, with the wood theme and having a mechanical child/a child that is barely talked about, going insane... You get my point.
I’m pretty sure thats the possessive, not the plural. After all you need to account for “lumber company” being part of the name of the game. “Chipper and son” are the people who the lumber company belongs to. So it’s actually “ “chipper and son”s lumber company” not “ “chipper and sons” lumber company”
@@almightykellus2585 but with an apostrophe it would be a contraction for “chipper and son is lumber company” which would be even more weird. You know science apostrophes are only ever used in contractions.
@@algotkristoffersson15 Actually, in this case, the apostrophe would be used for the possessive. "Chipper and Son's Lumber company" would be "the company of Chipper and Son", while "Chipper and Sons lumber company" would be "the company named Chipper and Sons". Connected but not necessarily useful: "Chipper and Sons' lumber company" would be "the company of Chipper and his sons".
Hmmm what if this game is now somewhat canon to FNAF? Kind of a joke but think about it for a sec. We do keep getting references to this game in FNAF games…
While watching this video I remembered a game I’d often see either in the “made by same creator” or “similar” under this game and I think fnaf. It seemed to be a game where some guy was in the woods at night for whatever reason and the images showed how you could upgrade the camp site. It had a similar 3d model style to Chipper & Sons lumber co, which is one of the main reasons I remembered it. I just want anyone else rememberers it or not
@@acat63 OMG THANK YOU! I remember only seeing it once all the way back 2014-15 like once or twice on the App Store before forgetting about it. I was beginning to think it was a false memory. I probably thought it was 3d because I’d always see it after clicking fnaf and chipper so my brain probably just assumed it was also 3d. Seriously thank you
Hey, I saw you make a video on Plushtraps "small" significance, so i was wondering if you could do a dive into Nightmarionne. The character has always fascinated me as their importance seems to always be strangely overstated. In fnaf 4 they were just a non canon enemy for the halloween dlc but moving forward they've had some important roles. Like being the icon for UCN. Appearing in Fnaf Vr over other nightmare animatronics. The nightmarionne security bots in security breach. And also, their plushies being hidden in spots across the map. Its weird for a supposedly "non canon" character to recieve all this. I'd love to see your take on it!
The mushroom could also have come from the perfect copy that chipper made of himself he then killed and buried or the original chipper got murdered and replaced by the copy. Either way a person who used to work with wood was killed and buried, and coule be the mushroom.
I love this. Always wondered how he managed to go from a simple, relaxing game like this to the disturbing horror franchise that is FNAF. Now, I know that the game isn't 100% simple and relaxing, and you already got hints that he would have made good horror games
Theory: chipper had 3 she sons. The first, before chipper really made many robots, died after falling of a bridge and hitting his head on a rock (the reason why tyke doesn't dies is because he doesn't hit his head.) after that, a ( possibly magical) fungus starts growing on his decaying body and absorbs his memories, making him think he was once a beaver. Chipper's second son, birthed when robots were starting to get developed, took interest and started having the dream of mechanising everything in the island, starting by himself. Then, the termites captured him, confusing him whit just a robot walking wherever, and used him for labor. Chipper then separated him in parts and spread them so no one could ever find and use him, likely causing his son to be constantly awake unable to do anything as a robotic head. And finally, tyke. The youngest son and the one we play as.
I now can say with 100% certainty that Springtrap should have been a chipper suit. Both are deranged business owners who willing put their children in harms way, have pretty hefty body counts and built creations out of their rage that eventually overpowered then. Why has no one ever thought of this?
I loved those parts in chipper and sons. sad it's never mentioned by anybody else and is only known as the "game that created FNaF" since nobody decides to play it.
I’m surprised that this game did so poorly. If it had come out today, I guarantee it would’ve been incredibly popular with how it hides horror inside something cute and cheesy.
Some haracters say that fishy was hooked in a throut and then he bite in leg the one how catched it, meanwile this pelican dude cathed a fish how bited of his leg
correct me if im wrong! But isnt this like one of the first/older games that scott made? like before fnaf? Smythin like that or something idk I may be just thinking about something that never actually happened
When I played Tyke and Sons, I thought the creator was just adding their own unhinged spin into the game with the dialogue and insane mushroom. Now I know that they were just being faithful to the original.
If Scott ever plays that game, he'd probably consider it canon.
@@drakewahl7609 It's about as canonical as it can be.
exactly! like I thought the game was a wild spin on chipper and sons but watching this video made me realize its unhinged nature is just the same as its original
What if chipper and sons is actually a fnaf game, and is analogous to the relationship between William and Mike.
This makes more sense then it should honestly
@@helloill672 unfortunately
@@Twistedslop62 if Mike is Tyke, then who is Chippers missing son? I don't think Crying Child, he doesn't seem malicious, maybe Elizabeth, even though she's a daughter?
@@helloill672 well didn’t he say he rebuilt his missing son out of wood? “Put him back together”
@@Twistedslop62 yeah but the missing son was evil that's the reason why he was dismantled in the first place. While Elizabeth wasn't originally evil, she later became evil
tyke just awkwardly backing away from the mushroom during the date is pretty funny
No he does that every single date
@@bathilra5364it’s still funny though
Some of this stuff shows that the elements introduced in FNAF (mainly the books) like humans being robots, ghosts, grief and anger leading to living creations, eating people, etc. were already used by Scott, just another result of Scott taking his experience and interests and inserting them into FNAF
When are we gonna get those war crimes in FNAF though
I mean, William Afton was alive in the 60s
Just saying
@@Naharu. I wonder if anyone ever figured out what the criminal institute was.
If you told me this was all just an elaborate joke and the real game wasn't like this, I would believe you. On the other hand, this IS Scott we're talking about- I'm just shocked his writing was always this dark
I played this game and I can confirm all of this is real
Always have been
I knew this was real when he mentioned Chipper ate his wife. I remember watching a video with a weird TTS voice that told the same story.
The way Chipper acts is eerily similar to William
Even down to wearing a suit to deceive people only to become obsessed with wearing it
setting fire to things when he’s upset is no coincidence either
Way before FNaF had a actual story
Hear me out- Springtrap was Williams fursona before fursonas existed
Chipper was a convicted war criminal, while in service his comrades refereed to him as “the woodchipper” due to his brutal often unnecessary ways of killing. Though a offical number has never been given his body count is estimated to be millions. After the war chipper was asked his to answer for his crimes, the only thing he ever Sayed was “It was funny”
and is he wrong?
Seems like William would do something like this
@@BillyLoomis...StuMacher1996 Granted with William "It was funny" would change to "Why not?" but still
"your honor i did it for the lols"
"I say creppy things"
- Chipper
He does indeed say creepy things.
"Its just for comedic relief i promise im not a psychopath"
-also chipper
I can see why Scott felt so much frustration. This game has a lot of heart in it and is genuinely good. If this was originally made as a fnaf fan game it would have prolly gone viral and been loved if it was just saw in a different light
Chipper walked so Afton could run
From the police?
@@VioletGG4LOL
You know how they say that a writer works in grooves (essentially that a writer tends to repeat aspects of their previous works)? I wonder if a lot of FNaF could be better understood when discussing repeated themes from Scott’s previous titles
So with that in mind, what can we gleam from A Desolate Hope that can echo that of FNAF and CASLC?
@@Vigriff the desolate hope is legit also all about robots and lost souls
I mean. A good chunk of his previous work was Christianity-based, so I'm not sure if you can tie too many parallels between them and the scary bear game.
@@kidsto2612 As a Christian, there are a lot of interesting things about how the souls in FNaF are handled. It feels like Scott backpedaled on his original depiction of possession because of how much it jarred with his faith. The modern take (remnant, agony, and the soul typically not being the exact person but something that came to life from them) seems to be an attempt to make a happy medium. Of course, there are still some typical possessions, namely Puppet, Baby, William, Michael, and Golden Freddy (possibly) but these characters either stick around to help stop this madness (Puppet, Michael, maybe Golden Freddy) or are evil and, at least in some denominations, would have earned a damnation of some kind (William, Baby, maybe Golden Freddy). Moving to ai possession within the conscious mind steers out of the possible religious hurdles Scott might have felt uncomfortable with while also allowing him to utilize more Sci-Fi elements, which he admits to have a basis for in his writing.
Long ramble short, I don't think any of his previous works involving Christianity would create too many hurdles in drawing parallels. Besides, I think we'll be looking more for themes and characterization rather than the set dressing of how those are portrayed (for a lack of better term). Karma, unfairness in life, justice, and abusive home life (especially from parents) seem to be common in Scott's works no matter the material
@@thomasfan8889 Fair, fair, you make a good point there
Chipper = William Afton
Mrs. Chipper = Mrs. Afton
Tyke = Mike Afton
Chipper's other son = Crying Child
Father Tree = Elizabeth Afton
King Termite = Henry
facts
Father tree is far closer to the mimic and story teller
Bad Dads aren't just in FNAF, it would seem.
Scott.....you ok, dude?
From what I remember. I heard that Scott suffers from depression.
Did you not know Scott actually was gonna end it all he had a life insurance plan and everything but they rejected him so yeah that was fortunate but dude if it wasn’t for fnaf success I’m fearing he would and the way he was upset about the fnaf movie really concerned me but I’m happy he’s honest of his mistakes but god it feels uncomfortable when he’s just feels like that
@@AldinRamicHe used to when his games werent selling and because of that,he was forced to work two jobs .
@@alexanderthegreat-mx5zu that's right
He's a father so I wonder if it's based on his own dad or himself
chipper becoming a control freak after his wife’s death is not unlike the interpretation that william took up child killing after his son died eh
Honestly I always assumed that this game was unintentionally horrifying in places, I no longer think it was unintentional
1) this sounds like a fnaf prototype...MANY elements remind me of later fnaf stuff, like that frog is literally Old man consequences, a shadow being Ballon boy and so on
2) I get that dark humor exists, but um....is Scott surely ok?
William afton tried to fill the void of his dead family with robots and insane creations, Chipper did the same.
I actually never saw my first meeting with the Traveler. I literally got up, didn’t pause the game, left Tyke standing as I went to the bathroom, only to come back seeing him careening through space with the Traveler.
I still can’t believe Steph Sterling is the reason fnaf exists
OH GOD LOTODOTS WITH A MOUTH
sorry if this came off as mean
I need my eraser
The fact this is a kids' game, this makes that fangame that has FNaF(keeping an eye on the house at night due to robots) seem tame though I don't know much about the game past the night time mode nor this so who knows.
I knew about this game & that it led to the idea of FNaF along with having cameos in FNaF stuff(FNaF World & the taco place in Security Breach) but had no idea just how much insanity was in this. I feel bad for Tyke & hope he finds a nursing home with good security or something for his dad.(So the dad can't escape & cause more havoc)
Isn't it interesting how Chipper & Sons is scarier than security breach
LMAO
LmaoXD
@FirstnameSurname-s9b oh yea I can see that
FNAF world is scarier than security breach
That beaver is somethin else.
On jah 🙏 👨🏿🦲👨🏿🦲💋
Desolate Hope and Chipper walked so fnaf could run
Screw FNaF lore, why didn't MatPat research this one!? He would at least retire sane
Honestly chipper and sons theories would leave you with less sanity than the most most groundbreaking fnaf theory
Tom could make a theory about it
4:27 Oh goodness- ok-
I remember finding an APK for my mobile back in the high school 7 years ago and enjoying it a lot
Isn't it funny how a game made for children was geared more toward adults. A game for adults became geared towards kids?
7:03 From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve the Omnissiah
Counterpoint: The termites did Chipper’s other son in.
I love your content! You always cover the most vague yet interesting topics. Can't wait for more from you
fun Fact: Chop 'N Roll, Crabapple, & Colossal originate from Chipper & Sons
10:50
THAT'S THE FUCKING MIMIC.
I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH, SO LITTLE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT DSFGFD
stop.
The chipper that’s in the game is probably the clone that the original chipper made
I do kind of like that it seems like a lot of the ideas introduced in Chipper & Sons (note sonS) were explored more thoroughly in FNaF, especially through William and Henry. Mostly Henry, honestly, with the wood theme and having a mechanical child/a child that is barely talked about, going insane...
You get my point.
I’m pretty sure thats the possessive, not the plural. After all you need to account for “lumber company” being part of the name of the game. “Chipper and son” are the people who the lumber company belongs to. So it’s actually “ “chipper and son”s lumber company” not “ “chipper and sons” lumber company”
@@algotkristoffersson15 Fair enough. Is it Chipper and Son's, or Chipper and Sons?
It's Chipper & Sons, no apostrophe
@@almightykellus2585 but with an apostrophe it would be a contraction for “chipper and son is lumber company” which would be even more weird. You know science apostrophes are only ever used in contractions.
@@algotkristoffersson15 Actually, in this case, the apostrophe would be used for the possessive. "Chipper and Son's Lumber company" would be "the company of Chipper and Son", while "Chipper and Sons lumber company" would be "the company named Chipper and Sons". Connected but not necessarily useful: "Chipper and Sons' lumber company" would be "the company of Chipper and his sons".
5:18 That’s literally just Balloon Boy.😅
Bro I wanted to say that
Hmmm what if this game is now somewhat canon to FNAF? Kind of a joke but think about it for a sec. We do keep getting references to this game in FNAF games…
Man is destined to make horror games
Anything from Scott Cawthon I'll definitely be checking it out!❤great video!🎉🎉
While watching this video I remembered a game I’d often see either in the “made by same creator” or “similar” under this game and I think fnaf. It seemed to be a game where some guy was in the woods at night for whatever reason and the images showed how you could upgrade the camp site. It had a similar 3d model style to Chipper & Sons lumber co, which is one of the main reasons I remembered it. I just want anyone else rememberers it or not
Scott made a game called Sit 'N Survive which sounds similar, but wasn't 3d
@@acat63 OMG THANK YOU! I remember only seeing it once all the way back 2014-15 like once or twice on the App Store before forgetting about it. I was beginning to think it was a false memory. I probably thought it was 3d because I’d always see it after clicking fnaf and chipper so my brain probably just assumed it was also 3d. Seriously thank you
@@Crystre i thought it might have been worth a shot. Glad you managed to find it
Hey, I saw you make a video on Plushtraps "small" significance, so i was wondering if you could do a dive into Nightmarionne. The character has always fascinated me as their importance seems to always be strangely overstated. In fnaf 4 they were just a non canon enemy for the halloween dlc but moving forward they've had some important roles. Like being the icon for UCN. Appearing in Fnaf Vr over other nightmare animatronics. The nightmarionne security bots in security breach. And also, their plushies being hidden in spots across the map. Its weird for a supposedly "non canon" character to recieve all this. I'd love to see your take on it!
What’s with Scott’s games and horrendous and murderous fathers? Like are you alright man?
8:52 His A Robot..... That Explains Alot!
The mushroom could also have come from the perfect copy that chipper made of himself he then killed and buried or the original chipper got murdered and replaced by the copy. Either way a person who used to work with wood was killed and buried, and coule be the mushroom.
New avatar?? Ngl, I loved the more pixelated little guy, but still cute!
This game shows that cryptic horror,murderous fathers and animatronics were always Scotts calling.
Finally someone is talking about chilpers lore
This game has fnaf DNA in it, asspecially in the fact that it has a sh*t ton of hidden lore
Finally, a video about Chipper & Sons! 👍
you just said chipper dollar sons
@@definitely_notgex1353 Oops, my bad.
I love the new version of your little avatar! The style is really cute. Did someone else make it for you or did you draw it yourself?
Thank you, I made them!
Seeing lotodots w/ a mouth is... Interesting
chippers game was so fun lol idk how it was scary
I remember my old laptop I played FNAF World and the chipper and Sons Lumber Co so many good memories.🥲
Tyke: oh dad, you say such funny things.
Chipper: I ate your mother
I love this. Always wondered how he managed to go from a simple, relaxing game like this to the disturbing horror franchise that is FNAF. Now, I know that the game isn't 100% simple and relaxing, and you already got hints that he would have made good horror games
The thumbnail looks like it got cancelled
Aww, love the new avatar!
While i'm more of a Desolate Hope fan, i do love Chipper and Sons and am glad it's getting merch, but yeah it's dark
Theory: chipper had 3 she sons.
The first, before chipper really made many robots, died after falling of a bridge and hitting his head on a rock (the reason why tyke doesn't dies is because he doesn't hit his head.) after that, a ( possibly magical) fungus starts growing on his decaying body and absorbs his memories, making him think he was once a beaver.
Chipper's second son, birthed when robots were starting to get developed, took interest and started having the dream of mechanising everything in the island, starting by himself. Then, the termites captured him, confusing him whit just a robot walking wherever, and used him for labor. Chipper then separated him in parts and spread them so no one could ever find and use him, likely causing his son to be constantly awake unable to do anything as a robotic head.
And finally, tyke. The youngest son and the one we play as.
i think you should talk about the more non-horror lore of chipper and sons
I love this game and I'm glad somebody else i talking about it
Scott has a very weird mind
Yeah, sometimes scott is "quirky" at night
I now can say with 100% certainty that Springtrap should have been a chipper suit. Both are deranged business owners who willing put their children in harms way, have pretty hefty body counts and built creations out of their rage that eventually overpowered then.
Why has no one ever thought of this?
"Seemingly not a very fungi to hang out whit..."
*_"GET OUT-"_*
Chipper is just william isnt he.
Kinda
Wow! What’s that animation at the “Oh you’re such a kidder!” I really want to know!
GET OUTTT!!!
GET OUUUUUT, GETOUT, GETOOOOIUUUIT
9:48
I feel like this could've been advertised as an analog horror game instead of a children's game and it would've gotten more plays
8:59
NO GOD PLEASE NO.
DON'T SUMMON HIM.
(VEITNAM WAR FLASHBACKS)
Funny how Tyke and Sons seems like it could be canon now.
Chipper & Sons Reboot with an Easter Egg Cameo of Conker from Conkers' Bad Fur Day would be pog.
finally, chips eating chips.
Chipper's saw launching is referenced in fnaf world because chipper has the move buzzsaw
The lumberbot who was made to imitate chipper might be the chipper revenge boss in fnaf world
Chipper and Termite king are totally lovers turned rivals
omg help this was a kids game yh scott had some wild ideas back then....
I think my internet is slow
Chipper is such an Unhinged Psychopath and i Love it.
ok but seriously what is this 1:15
I loved those parts in chipper and sons. sad it's never mentioned by anybody else and is only known as the "game that created FNaF" since nobody decides to play it.
Is it bad to say this game was objectively better than FNaF, and it's really not fair that FNaF was the thing that blew up? :\
The fact that it's a mobile game is horrifying enough.
this actually makes my want to play chipper and sons
is there any way to download apk for this mobile app?
If you haven't already, could you make a video on old animations from the fans? Like old memories for example
This game already starts to remind me of the movie Hoodwinked
9:48 "GEEET OOOUT!"🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🔥🔥
This is terrifying.
I’m surprised that this game did so poorly. If it had come out today, I guarantee it would’ve been incredibly popular with how it hides horror inside something cute and cheesy.
when i clicked on this, i thought the bar said "canadian"
Some haracters say that fishy was hooked in a throut and then he bite in leg the one how catched it, meanwile this pelican dude cathed a fish how bited of his leg
The sad toei might be chippers secret son
correct me if im wrong!
But isnt this like one of the first/older games that scott made? like before fnaf? Smythin like that or something
idk
I may be just thinking about something that never actually happened
chipper and Sons
Is not His first game not even close. He apparently spent years making games.
If I remember correctly
Did you make a "cameo" appearance in someone's else video, because I recognized your character/mascot
chipper and sons could be rebooted. i might unironically enjoy it lol.
Wait he made a robot that was like him and bury it under ground so does that confirm game theory’s mimic theory
Where can I you play this?
Pls post more
The game is called chipper and sons so there has to be another son other than tyke
No wonder they thought this was scary..
Would be funny if we're later discover that willam did many war crimes back then