Battle of the Ports - Pole Position (ポールポジション) Show
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- Can you believe that I uploaded a video containing ONLY The Pole Position music and that's perfectly fine but this video got hit with a copyright strike before it even went live due to the music being used at the ending comparison section!
So, unfortunately I had to reverse the music but if you'd like to hear the Pole Position theme here's a link to the other video I published -
• Pole Position - Main T...
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Yes, finally after 262 shows of Battle of the Ports I'm getting on to the classic Pole Position. This game has so many ports and quite a few emulated versions which we won't cover but even without those there's still 16 versions to see right here. Enjoy.
Time Code
00:27 - Arcade
02:08 - Atari 2600
03:08 - Atari 5200
04:23 - Atari 8 Bit home Computers
04:58 - PlayStation
06:15 - Gameboy Advance
07:19 - Nintendo 64
08:07 - Dreamcast
09:07 - ZX Spectrum
10:00 - BBC Micro
11:14 - Intellivision
12:07 - Commodore Vic-20
13:04 - Commodore 64
14:11 - Texas Instruments 99
15:08 - MS Dos
16:09 - Vectrex
17:16 - All versions side by side
Enjoy!
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The brakes for the Atari 5200 port are activated by pressing the upper left or right side buttons. The accelerator is either of the lower side buttons.
bummer, I didn't know this. These buttons weren't mapped on the emulator. Thanks for the info.
@@RetroCore No problem. Pole Position is one of the games where the 5200 analogue controller is perfect for.
That's an odd configuration.
Then again, I'm used to the thumbstick axis having forward/reverse being set to up/down.
Pole Position's not supposed to have a brake button in the first place. Neither Pole Position 1 or 2 in the arcades have brakes. And really, you don't need them imo.
you beat me to it
I like the bgm, very "70s satanic lyrics in reverse". As always, thanks for the memories and cheers from México.
this music is the opening of an anime called "pole position",
a great cartoon opening song :)
th-cam.com/video/n3-Ip5XpV18/w-d-xo.html
Holy crap that Atari 2600 port is incredible! I’m amassed they could pull of that racetrack effect with such little memory.
It was a fun game. Played it many times at my cousin's house when they had the Atari 2600 years ago.
I just got my copy recently. It really plays nice. Best feeling racer on the system. Enduro is nice too but doesnt have that arcade track feel of needing to judge each corner differently.
Pole Position for the Atari 2600 was impressive. The sense of speed is absolutely amazing.
I find the vectrex to be an interesting system. Despite the lack of colors it still manages to look nice
I've played in a real one and yes, it looks really nice.
Fun Fact: The Vectrex is a double 4-bit system.
I have this for my Vectrex and it looks a lot better with the colour overlay card.
The smooth scaling is incredible for a home system.
@@Lightblue2222Scaling effects are super-easy on a vector display.
That 2600 version fell comfortably into the category we Atari kids called "Close enough!"
Plays well, really all that matters. Pole Position II on the 7800 is also bice.
Enduro >>>>>>>>>>> any other Atari 2600 racing game
@@patbrown911 I would disagree. Enduro is fun and addictive but lacks the same arcade feel. For Enduro every turning corner is the same, while in Pole Position each corner of the track needs to be judged different to keep up the speed, giving you a sense of learning the track.
Enduro is only about passing cars.
Enduro you can pass more than 1 car at a time, but in Pole Postion the A.I. steer left to right, so it's a different challenge to get around them.
Pole Position you lose speed by turning sharp. So for that top time it especially helps learning the track so you turn as least as possible.
Enduro is more manic adrenaline, frantically passing cars quickly dodging left and right, and is more what I'd expect from 2600.
Pole Position has a bit more depth in gameplay.
The whether effects on Enduro are neat though. Thick snow makes it slower to turn. Night makes it harder to see, especially the fog sections which annoyingly reduce draw distance. But very clever stuff.
Wow, the Vectrex port is amazing! What a great piece of hardware.
Not to mention an unexpected version to see
Dude, it's a shame the platform didn't take off, it looks gorgeous even in HD emulation.
@@jesuszamora6949 vector graphics are not comparable to SD/HD, since you can resize vectors to any size you wish without quality loss
@@KISSbestfan Oh I get that. What I mean is that even emulating in HD on a raster monitor looks great. Nothing will truly replace a real vector display, though, shame it didn't take off.
Just a pity it was one of the last games released and thus is a bit tricky to find today, at least cheaply here.
One noticeable billboard that I remember catching my attention in the Nintendo 64 version of "Pole Position" (from "Namco Museum 64") is the one with Blinky The Red Ghost from the "Pac-Man" cartoon series saying "But Clyde!", which always made me chuckle, especially because I thought it was supposed to be a hot dog character of some sort until I learned about there being a cartoon show based on "Pac-Man". XD
First!!!!
and yes youtube sucks balls
That's always par the course for Atarisoft… They'd always put little effort into other ports to make their own in house releases look better. Though the Micro port is really impressive. I can forgive the slight choppiness, granted I don't think the Micro was ever designed to handle games like this.
Imagine stepping into an F-1 car and having tons of fun driving around the race track
Until you realize there aren’t any brakes.
thanks for the props to the vectrex version - my personal favoutite, that I still play few times a month...less so since I acquired Vector Patrol (Moon Patrol) - the first arcade port to vastly exceed the arcade version in visuals and gameplay.
Just for designing Pac-Man Iwatani can be considered a legend!
He sure can be. He's right up there with the best of them IMO.
Namco was blessed to have him, that's for sure.
I think the top fire button was the brake on the 5200? I know that version had Trak-Ball support, where you had the same opto-mechanical control as the arcade, but believe uses the keypad for gear control.
Also, the PS1 version (and Pole Position II on Namco Museum Vol. 3) have support for analog controls via Namco's own "NeGCon" controller, which was originally meant for the Ridge Racer series.
The ones in the Namco Museum N64, Namco Museum CD, Namco Museum PS2, and Namco Museum 50th Anniversary are emulations of the PS1 version with added speech samples...
I just recently added this to my 2600 collection. The gameplay is surprisingly good. Very playable is right!
I was thinking the same thing when comparing video of the 5200 version. The 2600 plays smoother. Even the backgrounds scroll choppy on 5200 in comparison.
I guess they went for graphics over gameplay. The computer cars have an upgraded look, and there are actually road signs now, but that doesnt make up for choppy gameplay.
Great episode! Love all the comparisons.
The game that was on GameCube and Xbox and Playstation 2 and that was just called Namco Museum is also the same as the Gameboy Advanced Namco Museum and Pac-Man collection combined so the games play similarly including the fruit in Miss Pac-Man taking a different path when it bounces around
The best Pole Position I've played outside the arcade was the 2004 Jakks Pacific plug and play. It had a rotatable joystick that worked great.
Someone else mentioned that. It's a shame I can't get hold of those here in Japan.
Ms. Pac-Man 5-in-1 (the Jakks Plug And Play that you mentioned) is available on Mame and it runs fine. At the moment (at least with the latest Mame release), the sound cuts out in some areas, but it'll get fixed with a later release.
Hahahaha it’s my fav game for the past 33 years. I play it every day. Never gets old
I remember having that. It's just a bloody shame I can never find it/get my hands on it again....
I remember as a kid I absolutely loved Pole Position. I thought it was so cool that I could "drive" for real on the arcade machine. In my view, the 2600 port is excellent for the hardware. I have it on my Vectrex and it is quite good. The Jakks Pacific plug 'n play version uses a cool steering control where you twist the joystick to simulate steering.
Fun fact: Pole Position (arcade) is the 1st video game I've ever played in Poland (communist Poland so a game like this was very illegal)
Cool. I can imagine it was quite a few years old by the time you could play it.
@@RetroCore oh yeah :) it was in August of '87. I'll always remember that day because discovering such a thing as video games is one of the greatest moments of my life (and I actually had/have an amazing life of adventures so that should tell you just how much I LOVE video games) 4 months later for Xmas I received a Commodore 64 & my life changed for the best. "The Last Ninja" "The New Zealand Story" "Giana Sisters" & "Donald Duck's Playground" became the staples of my life.
@@RetroCore Also, I totally love your awesome channel. New subscriber & I can't stop binge watching your videos, on repeat :)
Thanks! I'm happy to hear you are enjoying the channel.
I played the emulated version of this on the PS2.
Played an original arcade cab of this game at a movie theater 20 years ago and loved every second of game play. I have the game on a Namco collection for ps2 but game play isn't the same due to having no steering wheel or pedal.
Random Pole Position FPS counter cuz I'm bored:
Arcade: 60 FPS
Atari 2600: 60 FPS
Atari 5200: 60 FPS*
Atari 400/800: 60 FPS*
PlayStation: 30 FPS
GBA: 30 FPS
N64: 30 FPS
Dreamcast: 60 FPS
ZX Spectrum: 20 FPS
BBC Micro: 60 FPS**
Intellivision: 60 FPS?
VIC-20: 12-15 FPS (probably why it's not very exciting?)
C64: 60 FPS
TI-99: 60 FPS**
MS-DOS: 10 FPS
Vectrex: 60 FPS
*Background scrolls at 7.5 FPS
**Uses choppy background swapping instead of actual scrolling, which is NOT tied to framerate
I don't like Pole Position on the Atari, but I love Enduro . I recommend Enduro..... a very fun racing game from the Atari. I have Pole Position for the gameboy advance. Also I played the Arcade version... such a great game. Great video as always Retro Core.
5:28 The Japanese version of the PS1 port does have the original Japanese voice sample. Highly likely Atari owns that "Prepare to qualify" voice clip and Namco's Japanese in-house dev couldn't be bothered to get an English speaking voice actor to record a new reading of the line as all the other console ports do contain a new recording of the line which, probably not coincidentally, were done in the United States. Except the GBA port, that seems to be using the Atari voice sample.
Really? That's just lazy of Namco not to rerecord the voice samples for the western release.
This game makes me nostalgic for the old 80s Fuji layout. 90s Fuji was largely unchanged, but the modern layout now has one of the worst final sectors I've ever seen on a race track, and I'm convinced it was designed so that nobody would ever be able to figure out how to take it properly.
I had the C64 version back in the day and I could never understand the look of the cars. They dont look like F1 cars at all. They look more like the old formula vauxhall cars when they had no rear wing.
Haha, that's so true.
Imagine...later model consoles suffering slowdown from a game from 1983. Absolutely jank programming.
Namco's early 1980s arcade hardware and programmer teams were programming on dual CPU arcade boards which no doubt gave Sega the challenge to step their game up and develop the dual and triple CPU Super Scaler arcade boads...
Also it's crazy how Namco was also first at making a dual CPU 3d polygon graphics arcade board in the late 1980s way ahead of Sega but Sega eventually caught up and just completely surpassed them in the 1990s with super expensive arcade board hardware like the Sega Hikaru, a quadrilateral polygon rendering monster.
it has been awhile since I've seen the Vectrex version without its overlay. Ir really is one of the best ports...not as good as Moon Patrol (which is actually better than the arcade versiom) but it plays well. When it comes to racing on a Vectrex though, nothing beats Hyper Chase for white knuckle speed.
The Ti version like so many other ports, moves the car left and right rather than the road. Racing games always look and play better when the car stay centre screen...A friend had the 800XL version when I bought the TI Atarisoft version back in the day...made my friend laugh and me cry. But it is playable.
3:30 - Either of the top fire buttons on the Atari 5200 version are Brake.
[EDIT: atariage.com/manual_page.php?SystemID=5200&SoftwareLabelID=649&ItemTypeID=¤tPage=8&maxPages=12 ]
Gotta say I didn't think there were that many ports of Pole Position. I am pretty shocked and also surprised that they never ported it to the Master System or Famicom. Awesome episode as always 👍
Yeah, even it’s spiritual successor Final Lap was released on Famicom.
Who needs brakes ? We brake for nobody.
0:20 That's A Lot Of Compilation
Hahaha. Do I really have to say anything about this timeless classic Mark?
But I will say another great work as always kind sir. 8^)
Anthony..
The scaling of the original system still impresses me. Lots of good ports from 8 to 128 bits.
Damn shifter was always whacked on the arcade version, stuck in one gear
Wow. The reverse intro sounds flipping ace.
It also keeps the copyright holders at bay.
Damm, that arcade machine can display up to 3840 colors? Its more than the mega drive or the amiga which are hardware that relesed later.
great video. It reminds me of why I never bothered with home consoles and stuck with the arcades until into the nineties.
Pole Position is good, simple fun with graphics soooo smooth. I played a ton of the VCS version, but I think that's the only version I've played besides the Dreamcast Namco Museum version. However, a nearby gas station (Amoco) had a Pole Position 2 upright cabinet for about a decade, up until swapping it for a Mortal Kombat cabinet. So, I'm not sure whether or not I've played more Pole Position or Pole Position II, but I've certainly put more money into to the sequel. Ha!
The next thing you'll also notice about the Atari 5200 is the fragile controller.
LeL. That Vic-20 speed is too much. 244 mph :-\
The very first video game I ever played!! Early '85 as a happy 3 year-old who didn't understand the accelerator had to be held down to "go"; not just steer! LOL. It will always have a special place in my heart. The early Namco arcade music gives me all kinds of feels!! ☺
The blue Jakk's Pacific plug n play emulator console with the twisty knob (😳) controller was different but actually played great once you got used to it!!
Good job on reversing the opening track!! You don't want the legendary Shuki Levy on your case. It still sounds GREAT!! 👍🏾
I sure Shuki Levy would be cool :) He's a legend of our youth.
Had a Vectrex and had this game and you are right it plays absolutely great and looks fantastic with the overlay. Just a shame I don't have the Vectrex anymore, like most people it was sold once it started to collect dust and now regret it seeing as there a collectable now.
This is actually one of my favorite arcade games out there, and it was definitely a joy to play it with the wheel and pedals it came in. Imagine if Hamster released this on the Switch's Arcade Archives Collection with compatibility with the Joy-Con wheels. If it means having a(n) (emulated) port that can play almost exactly like the arcade, I'm all in for it.
Great thanks Mark, you should try playing the PlayStation port with a negcon as it made it a lot of fun with near perfect cornering if I remember correctly.
Somebody else mention that too. It seems Namco basically set up the controls to only work properly with the NeGcon. Kind of dumb when most people, even in Japan, never owned one. They should have at least gave two control options like most racing games do. One for digital and one for analogue.
Used to play this at the laundromat in the small town I grew up in. I also now have the theme song from the TV show stuck in my head
C64 port was really meh, Pitstop 2 came out at similar time, and is much better.
Pitstop II came out a year later, but still...huge difference. Pitstop II still holds up today, the C64 port of Pole Position has aged poorly. I was actually more impressed with the VIC-20 version giving that system's limitations
I really would to see some homebrew port for the C64 using the power of the almighty breadbin!
Indy 800 (Atari, Arcade, 1975), Indy 500 (Atari, 2600, 1977), first real race tracks
I should have been clear. I was referring to Formula 1 tracks.
Awesome comparison, I remember playing the Atari 2600 version and thinking it was amazing
Well, it plays well for that system. I can imagine being happy with it myself if I had it back in the day.
Oh boy...those tires screeching bring back lots of memories. I had no idea there was a Vectrex port of this.
Vectrex reminds me of the game "Speed Freak"
Then you go play GT4 on the Fuji 80's track with the F1 that you unlock from winning Nurburgring, and it's Pole Position all over again. :D
lolz
One could do worse; try glitching into Chamonix and racing the Formula on that circuit, lmfao
(shout out to XTG because they did just that not too long ago xD)
PREPARE TO QUALIFY!
For the 5200, there is a brake. You have to press one or both of the top controller buttons on either side
i forgot to tell here, while Mass Media gone famous for Pole Position ports collection from PS1, N64, GBA and Dreamcast, Namco ported their arcade ports to Microsoft Windows 95/98/2000/ME as well under their pack, Microsoft Return Of Arcade (Pac-Man, Dig Dug and Galaxian are present with). it's 100% the same with arcade original
I'm pretty sure the announcer was saying "level start" in the Japanese version of Namco Museum on PS1, does they simply cut the Japanese samples ? Because it was in Japanese (now I have to check)
th-cam.com/video/hPlsuiVi8X4/w-d-xo.html confirmed, the sample get lost in the port, so I guess it's "censored"
I'm not sure but it seems strange if they did. Normally they'd just keep them in.
Best to Worst in my opinion
Intellivision (blocky ugly graphics, no sense of speed at all and broken controls. I'm an Intellivision fan as you can see by my icon, but this port is trash.)
Atari 5200 (rubbish colors and no brakes)
PlayStation (trash as to be expected)
VIC (great port for the VIC, but there were just so many better versions IMO)
ZX Spectrum (beautiful graphics and colors for the ZX, but very slow)
Commodore 64 (you really can't tell what's going on, but otherwise fine)
Atari 26pp (great graphics and colors for the system and suprisingly complete!)
Dreamcast (poor sound and slightly washed out colors, but otherwise fine!)
TI-99 (very colorful and good graphics for the hardware, but a little slow)
BBC Micro (amazing colors and gameplay and perfect collision, but pretty choppy and slightly squashed graphics)
Gameboy (a little cramp and the sounds a little rough, but for the GBA this is really class)
MS-DOS (perfect speed, amazing sprites, beautiful, realistic backgrounds and decently complete)
Atari 8-Bit (gorugeos colors, very fast, buttery smooth and very complete and fun)
Nintendo 64 (slightly altered billboards and a little shakey, but a very solid conversion)
Vectrex (best graphics of all, lightning fast pace and perfect, tight controls)
Arcade
@Growing Perspective how would you rank the ports of PP1?
@Rooflesoft Games I actually really liked that one. I enjoyed almost all the ports TBH.
I played a version of this game on an old iOS version. It was brilliant, it had way more features than the original arcade version. I wish I still had a copy of it, but the app’s been deleted and modern iOS wouldn’t support it anyway.
One of the sad things about cell phones
This doesn't really effect Android that much.
2600 programming: I recently noticed in cornering that one side of the red/white track ends before the car graphic. (The red/white track could be programmed with missile0, missile1, or the ball object.) The Missile0 object (used here for one track side) will have the same top-down colors as the 8-bit wide sprite (Player0 - your car) IF it falls on the same horizontal scan lines. Ending it off screen before the race car is a brilliant trick.
In the opposite turn direction it flips sides.
Sometimes you can see a bit of black at the end closest to the player’s car. That’s the black of the player car’s front tire.
I always thought the 2600 street gray was too light. I made a color hack with darker gray track, white center line (which makes white oncoming cars) and green mountains with purple back mountains.
You can find it on AtariAge.
atariage.com/forums/topic/225033-fixing-pole-position-and-enhanced-source-code/?p=2992264
Note: If the left zero on the speed bar isn’t a zero, that’s an Emulation bug just fixed in Stella 5.1.2 and later.
Cool information there. Thanks for the insight.
...what's a brake button? Is it a cheat button or something?
Accelerate and break.
The JAPANESE PS1 version comes with the voice.
Strange how they removed it from the western release.
The 5200 version offers brakes unlike what you had stated. Check the instruction manual. Also- the analog steering surpasses other home versions released at the time which were just digital controls.
There's also a 2008 plug n play port that I just remembered. It's not the best port, as it's missing the sharper curve at the end, the engine note is changed, you can't turn as sharply as the arcade (but it still controls really well with the analog twisting joystick) among other things, but it's still a well playing port that I have a lot of nostalgia with when I was much younger.
Intellivision but no Collecovision, DOS but no Mac. Odd. The arcade ROM is less than 60kb, so tiny (the 2600 is only 6kb). And i can't believe they gave your channel a copyright strike for a few seconds of that old music.
A very enjoyable trip down memory lane. Thanks.
The Atari 5200 version of this game is fantastic! It's a great port which plays extremely well, and is a standout game on the console. The analog joystick is perfect for this game so you get very good control of your car, and the two buttons for accelerate and brake (you really should fix that in the video, the 5200 has two buttons remember!) work well. This is one of the games that shows off the strengths of the 5200's analog joystick.
Fun driving game but majority of the ports (especially on the euro micros and second gen hardware) is deranged but solid on gba, ps1 and n64.
Yeah, no kidding about the Vectrex; a friend of mine that runs a retro game store says that they could sell for upwards of two grand USD. I've only played one a few times, and I would of loved playing Pole Position on it (had Battletanx and some amalgamation of Spin Doctor available when I went to my friend's house back then).
Also, that slowdown you mentioned about the GBA port is merely a GBA limitation that the port wasn't properly coded for; it is essentially the N64 port fit onto the GBA. The DS version would of been way better, but as far as I know, that got canned because Namco got sucked into another racing game project, Street Racing Syndicate (Midnight Club and sexy stripper model vids, whoo! lolz and hip-flop music).
My favorite Pole Position port? The Windows fan port that allowed one to use a game pad so one could set accelerate and brake to an axis like in racing games from 1996 onward (Gran Turismo!)
Sadly, that one is gone. So, the arcade original is what I like best, with the N64/GBA port being the next ones down. I would probably love the DC port, if I ever got a chance to play it.
Ahh, I remember playing this after riding the Go-Karts. I always found myself liking this game A LOT and I think I got a high score as well.
Vectrex ftw
I havent had any idea that this game was ported into so many platforms. I was only familiar with C64 so far
I was kind of surprised too. I'm also surprised that there are no Japanese computer ports.
I've played the GBA version in 2005.
The GBA port was trash. I hated the terrible audio and small screen. And it's sad because that was the version I played first.
And when I trying to play this game in my old atari 2600 this game in certain point of the game always crash. Seeing this video I almost crying because I remember all the good moments when I playing this fantastic game that I remember that times. Thank you :)
Reversing the audio, very clever :D
Yep. First I tried to remove it but TH-cam wouldn't allow that so I just deleted the original upload and uploaded a new version with reversed audio.
@@RetroCore And it sounds recognisable too!
The c64 port was pretty decent when it first came out, however it has aged rather poorly. The VIC-20 port really impressed me considering the system's limitations
When I was a kid this was state of the art lol, I loved my speccy.
Thank the Lord for PCARS and Assetto Corsa😆😆
Meh that show is non cannon...
Fucking Copyright strikes these days... over a single short piece of music in a TH-cam video. It is complete and utter bullshit and TH-cam seriously needs to fix this.
There's definitely something wrong with the Spectrum port in terms of slow down. It's approximately 3 seconds to 1 game second!
Very cool video. Thanks for the analysis.
You're welcome.
The C64's tire squealing noise is adorable. Sounds like a mouse squeaking.
The zx spectrum is a very Nice port. Graphically for Spectrum is very good!!
No compromise for sake of cost was the statement from Atarisoft.
C64 version on cartridge £24.99
I loved this video
We've come a long ways, people.
That we have 😁
You should have added a drum track to the reversed version, it sounds so sick it needs it! I like it, lol!
Whoa, this has commentary and all that! But what’s with the Japanese text in the title?
i cant believe noone is talking Aabout thier high score ,when i was a kid i couldnt be beat always got pole position atleaston the first game
The amount of 10p's I slammed into that sit down version on holiday in Torquay in 1985 was criminal - wish I enjoyed the holiday a bit more!
Torquay, man that brings back memories. We must have went there a few time as a kid. In fact a lot of those southern costal places were nice. I remember Exeter being another place we'd visit in summer.
This arcade game took many of my coins (200 lire at that time) from me when I was a kid. It never got old. Sadly, playing it on a console was never the same experience. I'm really impressed by the Atari home computer port though.
I think back in the day just being able to sit in a cockpit style arcade cabinet made the experience magical.
The ZX Spectrum port plays much better on the actual hardware.
The C64 music is completely different yet to me has the same magical feel as the original. Weird.
youtube copyright sucks! only thing saving youtube is its 60fps feature
how exactly were you supposed to win the actual race ? did you just keep doing laps until time ran out ?
The DOS version looks like you are racing at dusk or it's getting ready to storm real bad.
I tried to do a video beating this game without touching the other racers,but i just couldn't do it xD not to mention, it was a nightmare trying to get the game running on MAME by the way, i had to use an older version to run it but anyways. I always prefer playing the US Atari edition of this arcade game, cause i doubt it's going to be re-released anyway. Sorry to hear about the strike by the way, you never know when that is gonna appear on your videos.
I had to use an older version of mame too. I keep a few versions on my PC. 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 and the latest version. I used MAME 1.6 for this game.
if i remeber they had to cut the signage out of the us arcade versions .... i wis hi dof known about the ti version....i owned one for a bit .....