Snipe and Wib Play 40k Second Edition: Episode 1 - Makin' Armies
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Ultramarines with goblin green bases and bright yellow shoulder pad trim!! LOVELY!!
Those Ultramarines took me straight back to my childhood can't wait to see the game :-) congratulations on 40k subs!
Our local store has a 400 point tournament back in 2nd edition. It was so much fun to try and squeeze as much as possible in such a small force. My aspect warrior host lead by a warlock did well as a lot of folks just took terminator squads as they fit in the points and a fully charged wraith sword filled with power cards did wonders in killing them in close combat.
mine was 500pt against the staff with 1000pts! But if you won you got a free blister pack of your choice worth £5 Army had to be legal too which was hard with guard as they had addition rules on army formation. I did win though
@@1985slipstream Which blister pack(s) did you win?
@@Bluecho4 Think i took a special weapons team combo pack like a plasma gun and grenade launcher for tallern dessert raiders.
I started at the tail end of 4th, so my true first edition was 5th I suppose. I remember we would have 750 point mini tourney's, and I would just try to cram as many mechanized guard as possible. I think my favourite list ended up being 20 veterans (with carapace armour I think), a lord Commisar, 2 chimera's, 2 armoured sentinels (I think with lascannons) and a leman rush demolisher. For 750 points that was a pretty stacked force, able to deal with pretty much anything except mass heavy infantry.
@@1985slipstream Nice.
I played 2nd edition when it came out. My friend played a Chaos army and I played Dark Angels. Those termies are going to wreck the tac marines. And now because I've said this on the internet, the exact opposite of my prediction will happen. Congratulations on your victory Wib!
I was just thinking this very thing. Terminator armour in 2nd ed was unstoppable unless you had lots and lots of heavy weapons. But then, rolling double 1's happens nine times out of ten whenever you think like that.
@@MindSump bigger games youd try to tie up the terminators with something cheap and expendable for a few turns in close combat. or as said above blast them with lascannons and krak missles but toguh in a smaller game.
Tbh he should have went for the meltagun in his tactical squad flamer is pretty terrible vs terminators. Them terminators will eat that silly tactical squad for breakfast unless they get horribly unlucky.
Don't underestimate rapid fire from the marines. If they force enough armour saves the termies are bound to fail a few... I think if the marines get first turn they'll have a good chance.
@@secondeditionwargaming While you maybe right that still doesnt explain why he took a flamer over a meltagun :P
I love the colourful paint schemes of this era. Takes me back, and they're very eye catching too!
Congrats on 40k subs! You deserve every one and more! I love seeing these retro armies, a bit of living history! Surely if you wanted to play a 2nd edition army the most accurate one would be Craftworld eldar as half their range is still from second edition
I exclusively play this edition. Finally, someone makes a battle report!
2nd Edition > all other editions. I play 9th cause my son plays it but I still make him play some 2nd edition at times ;)
@@MorganThorgan That is good. I am the opposite (being born in 2002), I get my dad to play some 2nd.
Pretty cool to see other people playing it though.
I converted to 8th edition about 2 years ago, after playing with 2nd since it came out. I think 8th (but not necessarily 9th) is probably easier to pick up and quick to play with lots of models, but 2nd beats it for feel and crazy fun factor every time.
@@ratspike8017 I understand that, sad to hear about your conversion though 😂
I do miss 2nd Edition a great deal. I only played 40K from like 1991 to 1995, and getting back into miniatures now, and 9th just feels kind of wrong.
As someone who got into Warhammer at the start of 3rd after watching and looking at all the minis of 2nd... this is bringing back very nice memories of high school weekends spent it the backrooms of local gaming stores.
Can’t wait for this to become a large series on the channel and for these forces to expand to an astronomical amount
If I remember the rules correctly the best thing about snipes army is it could become a 1000pt army by using the teleport rules, Double the cost of the model in terminator armor and it can teleport onto the battlefield aka deep strike. This becomes extra funny as Wib would have to paint more models.
My 500 pt 2nd edition army if i were competing against you guys would be imperial guard. 1x command squad with captain +shotgun and 2x missle launchers 109pts Hellhound 165 pts 1x guard squad with melta gun and hvy bolter 118pts (iirc) and hvy weapon squad 3x autocannon 108pts (iirc)
That is...a lot of bodies--and a vehicle for 500 points.
@@VorpalDerringer hellhound was an unknown monster anti marine tank in 2nd Ed. Keep it in reservere race onto the battle field on your own first turn at fast speed no roll to hit with the inferno cannon hey flamer template plus add the distance of the artilary dice 0 2 4 6 8 or 10 inches more. S6 vs T4 marines mean 2+ wound and -4 save modifier meant melted marines with no armour save. Best one hit was some guy who frog marched his tactical squad up the field en mass and one shot took 8 of them out!
Can't wait to see how this goes but slightly shocked you only hit 40k subs recently you deserve so much more subs as your content is amazing!!
Water Transfer + Micro Set + Micro Sol + Varnish = perfection
I never knew how much I wanted to see a game of 2nd Ed until this. I'm excited to see how this goes!
I think if the marines get first turn they'll have a good chance. I've done a few 2nd ed videos on my channel, battle reports coming soon!
2nd has been the only edition I have played since it came out!.
Never moved passed it.
Its absolutely bonkers, I just love tye randomness of it all.
I look forward to seeing the report.
Ps, khorne terminators don't benefit from the +1 to armour save, its only the power armoured khorne guys.
It was faq'd many many years ago.
It makes sense when you read the khorne power armour section, we always used it as 2+ until we found out etc.
I learned and sometimes played the new editions as the years passed ... but me, my two brothers, our friends, cousins, and now kids ... still play 2nd edition!!!
Glad I'm not the only one out there ...
+1 for microsol and microset, aka how I learned to stop worrying and love the transfers.
Funny how Snipe’s Khorne Termies have the colors of the 30k Thousand Sons
Guys, please keep doing what you're doing, you both are amazing.
OMG I WAS HOPING YOUD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!
Very excited for this ... I may make my friends do this soon!
Second edition armies, let's goooooo! I have a great need for goblin green bases, vivid palettes and MASSIVE banners.
Oh I’m so excited to see how this’ll play!!
I think if the marines get first turn they'll have a good chance. I've done a few 2nd ed videos on my channel, battle reps coming soon!
I still have the second edition box set in my closet. That was around the time I stopped playing Warhammer, though I kept up with WFRP and read the fiction for quite a bit longer. Ultimately, I still think of second edition as "new 40K".
I’m just getting back into it, painting my Eldar army now (and waiting for oldhammer minis to arrive in the mail), haven’t played since 3rd came out. Rogue Trader was my jam in middle school and high school, but 2nd was where I played tournaments and whooped ass with my little space elves.
And in my estimation, the Chaos Marines are gonna whoop some ass when you play. That 2+ save on 2 D6 is effing hard to get around, even with krak and melta.
Really takes me back, I remember the transition from Rogue Trader to 2nd Edition was quite big but I remember really preferring it to Rogue, how I really got into the hobby.
2nd Ed was my 1st.
Started in 1994.
Still have my boxset, and the book for dark millennium etc
Looking forward to seeing your game. I got into the hobby just before 2nd edition came out so it was the edition that got me hooked and I have a lot of fond memories of it :)
2nd edition is where I started my hobby life, although it was actually Ripper Bolgrot from 3rd edition Blood Bowl, but I still only play Blood Bowl...
But I couldn't stop myself jumping on today's pre-order of Dungeon Bowl, so I'll be enrolling in the College of Death 💀🧟♂️💀
Thank you for this awesome content, 2nd Ed is close to my heart!
Massive fan of this.
Looking forward to the next video.
Just glorious! This gave me some really nostalgic feels.
So this is why the painting log was delayed. I fully approve!
i cant wait to see some more of you guys' exellent content
Lovely! 2nd Ed is where I started.. Still my fav version of course.. ^^
Congrats, excited for 2nd edition!
THIS IS SO COOL!!!
I'm having flashbacks to playing 2nd ed now! Glory days!
Wow. You weren't kidding when you said forces were small in earlier editions. These are practically Kill Team sized, in terms of model count.
Maybe this helps explain why it was so much easier to get into the hobby in the 90s. That, and because GW was less money-grubbing in general. And because the economy was just way more stable, and wealth inequality hadn't become as bad as it is now.
Reducing points costs is a cracking way to low key increase the price of an army ;)
@@TiberiusWallace I've heard that GW tried to do this with Warhammer Fantasy Battle. It only served to make the game less approachable, leading to its stagnation and paving the way for it being killed off.
@@Bluecho4 Yeah, the problem with Fantasy Battles was that the game was a serious undertaking towards the end. Early on three blocks of models and a couple of warmachines was pretty much a tournament 1500pt game and that could be fifty models.
The problem was that GW decided to push the idea that you identify with your army in print and in store so what ends up happening is you end up with several of everything and can field 3500pts so tournaments leaned into it then so did GW reducing the prices of banners and the like and increasing the width of a unit to 5 models for rank bonuses. By 8th Edition 3000pts was a standard game and 50 models wasn't an army anymore, it was a standard horde unit in Skaven and Goblins.
So a game you can afford for £100 became a £500 game that will take you a year to paint.
Subscribing after seeing this! Gotta know how you did the lenses for the terminators! 😁
"Better" 2nd ed 500pt Chaos Army:
Chaos Lord 91
w/ Terminator armour + chainfist (47), melta/bolter combi(12), mark of Khorne(30).
180pts
(Still got your unkillable glory monger)
3 Chaos Space Marines (75pts)
w/ 2x Heavy Bolters (24), mk1 Plasma Pistol (5), 2x Swords (2)
106pts
(2 heavy bolters, a plasma pistol, and parry. Essentially terminators, but cheaper. Alt squad is just 3x mk1 plasma guns and swords, and is a tiny bit cheaper at 102pts)
3 Noise Marines (90pts)
w/ Sonic Blaster (30)
120pts
(Because the rhino needs them, and who doesn't love sustained fire dice and jams? Cardboard guitars on normal marines for the win$.)
Chaos Rhino (50pts)
w/ Warp Amp (25), Daemonic Possession (+25%)
93.75pts
(Literally unkillable by most results on the damage charts, and makes *everything* run away with terror and -1 to -3 Ld. Slaanesh and Khorne got along fine in 2nd edition too!)
Total: 499.75pts
This list is very, very hard to beat. It can just roll in with the rhino, route 1-2 units, and call it a day. So much cheese available in 2nd ed, and you could have had fun turning a mini cereal box into a Scooby Doo Mystery Machine van too.
6 marine models, one terminator (obviously a normal marine with bluetack'd out shoulder pads, the "snazzy" helmet, and cardboard claws), one cardboard box rhino, but so much more firepower. You could drop some swords and depower the chainfist to a powerfist if you want weapon options (flamer instead of plasma pistol perhaps?)
Yes! i've wanted something like this for ages
Quite a pleasant couple. I’ve been enjoying your content for a while. Thanks 😊
Honestly, if memory serves, those ultra lads are gonna get rolled on by the terminator boys. Either way, this should be fun to watch.
Krak grenades as standard will make that 2+ vanish, the flamer will be useless though.
@@tobiaswhaley7030 Don't terminators save on a 3+ on 2d6?
I kicked in 20.00 for an old school basic 2d ed tac squad off of fee bey, and I'll be adding a 10 man terminator squad, a couple of on hand tac squads, and a captain and chaplain.
Warboss in mega armor, a couple of truks and buggies, Orks and metal nobs, as well as Big Red, and some kans are on hand, in the painting que...
God dammit....now I have retro ultra marines on my brain.
Played a lot of 40K 2nd ed against my friend who had a chaos army led by a virtually indestructible lord with terminators. My advice is get out of the way, use terrain to screen your troops and complete your mission without losing too many guys. We played quick 500 point games but our house rule was to allow any character to lead the army (eg veteran sergeant, eldar exarch etc.). That made it possible to include some vehicles or variety of troop choices.
Great job on all the minis but those space marines look like they jumped right out of the colored section of the old codex.
this is a great idea for a video series from a great channel run by a pair of great people. I think you are great did i mention that?
I’m looking forward to the next video! Your Chaos Terminators are seriously tempting me to make a CSM force.
May the algorithm have mercy on your souls, second was a messy beast
Those terminators look tough!
My god, looking at some of those pictures in the 2nd ed books and you can still make a eldar army with area appropriate models and you wouldn't even have too look at ebay
YOOOOOO so hype on this what a cool idea!
You two are amazing! Congrats on reaching 40k subs! You deserve another 0 oder two added to that number.
I am actaully going to be painting up a some Crimson Fists if that peaky box drops just because
Such nice looking armies. I cannot wait!
1500 points was the standard battle size of the day in 2nd ed. Have fun with pop up attacks and overwatch when you get to that point.
For authenticity will you have the tennis ball cactus that's in literally every codex from that time period for your terrain?
You can make a 2nd edition army with current Eldar... I'm still using a lot of mine nearly 30 years later.
those Ultramarines! *Chef’s Kiss*
Wish you managed to somehow find enough 25mm bases to base everything on them. The combat systems of 2nd are downright evil in melee and shooting. Seen a 1500 point army all but disappeared in a single round of shooting.
Hell yeah! These look great
Still paint my blood angels 2nd adition its what i started with good luck with the game a bit tricky but once you get your head around the rules its quite fun havnt played a game of 2nd edition in over 20 years !!!
YAY its my era of 40K
You guys should do a beginners painting tutorial or something. I’m pretty new to painting minis but I really love the way you guys paint yours. How do I do it!! Is it just GW’s parade standard techniques with the double layered highlights??
I'd love to know how compatible that wolf skull would be with general marine infantry. Whenever I go back to expand my chaos force (or start a heresy force if that every comes out) I'd love to play around with some of those
Love this idea!
2nd ed > new 40k
Look up the community rules and faqs to make the games a bit smoother.
LOVE IT
What was the music in the background at around 2:20-2:30? I'm sure I remember it from a game, and I've been listening through video game soundtracks but can't find it.
The good old days...😊😊😊😊
I though wib was gonna go lamenters considering how you’ve been making a vintage army
I do love this channel
i love you guys
Those armies look amazing 👏
I miss that design for the Space Marine missile launcher so much.....
As a weirdo who has been actively playing 2nd Edition all these years, sadly, most of the interpretation of the rules is totally wrong :P
I guess the biggest thing ... Line Of Sight mattered in this edition ... a LOT ... you can't just have entire squads fire without first making neat little firing lines ...
Oh well, the 2nd Edition rule set wasn't exactly easy or fast to learn ... So if you haven't done it for years or are trying to learn it from scratch, it's near impossible :P
Those where the times!
PLACE BETS
chaos to win!
Also is fighting evil is cool still on hiatus? If they are that's cool, I was just wondering
Not to get picky but aren't those third edition marines?
You could have done Eldar and bought some totally new AND authentic 2nd edition minis XD
If you're playing 2nd Edition 40K then you ideally really need to have those monopose plastic Space Marines with skulls in their foreheads painted to a 90's standard on the table. Okay they're about £5 each on ebay but that's money well spent.
Wish I could like this twice!
Should have used the box set miniatures ;)
Anyone else think older models look real good
They have a really charming strange chunkiness to them, I like the detail of new models but there's just something nice about chunky bois painted up like neon signs
Tyranids were the best in 2nd ed once the codex came out.
Come on!!! Give us part two!!
Don’t forget to like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm 😁👍🏻❤️
Ooooh~☆ Retro Shiny☆☆
You should have used eldar. It's not like they have much of a choice besides using 2nd ed. models
Ah, an Ultramarines vs Word Bearers grudge match on the coffee table of Calth. ;p
The Khorne symbols not being super perfect isn’t a bad thing - can you honestly expect bloodcrazed maniacs to have the patience to paint perfect iconography on their armour, or even sit still long enough for a slave to do it? Plus Chaos symbols are supposed to warp and distort slightly by their very nature, so they probably shouldn’t be picture perfect anyway. 😉
You know they'll be one slave or marine who will be shaking because they're not perfectly done in the fiction. A person turns insane and to chaos because they have the worst OCD
@@TheRagingModeller they’re all off worshiping Slaanesh and Tzeentch. 😜
To quote the famous ork scholar and genious Orkimedes:
*"ERE WE GO! ERE WE GO!"*
Which is to say; absolutely wonderful
"ERE WE GO! ERE WE GO!"
Those are some nicely painted armies! I am really looking forward to seeing how their battle goes. Is anyone else thinking that the number of krak missile and melta gun shots that Wib's Ultramarines can land on Snipe's Terminators before they get into melee is going to be critical to determining the result?
First shooting phase will be the decider I think
I think you may be right there hah
If the Khorne-flakes😜 get into Close Combat its... Game over Man
yeah..."armies"... Since when a squad is considered an army?
@@sareth90 bro did you watch the video?
Can’t wait for the battle. May I suggest you make some period inspired terrain? That would be cool.
Yeeesss, seconding this if it's managable
You mean goblin green styrofoam balls with red toothpicks sticking out of them?
@@AFnord ALL GLORY TO THE WEIRD ALIEN CACTUS
@@AFnord "Careful, Brothers; those things could have someone's eye out."
"What, these red spikes, Sergeant? Ha, we know no feAAAAAGH! My eye! My beautiful eye!"
@@euansmith3699 and that's how Wib's captain got his bionic eye.
Lovely miniatures! I like Snipe's idea of going more minimal and less spikey for most of the terminators, makes them look more deadly. The wolf skull and deathwatch shoulder pad is a great touch, even though it's serendipitous. Wib is so good at marrying retro color schemes with modern techniques in a way that doesn't just make them look like old minis but something a bit more custom. Both are beautiful little armies and I can't wait to see the game.
Congrats on the 40k subs- I've watched your videos since the early days of your channel and you two (and your accomplices like Drummer Matt and Dicko) have brought me countless hours of laughs, entertainment, interesting info, and old school 40k goodness over the years. It's wonderful to see the success you've achieved.
But now Wib has a new army to finish!
Also shoulder spikes are stupid, armour is supposed to deflect not catch enemy blows
It was nice to see Snipe's painting up close for once. Personally I think you did really well with that Khorne symbol.
Chad Snipe
>barges into video
>refers to Chaos Space Marine warlord with she/her pronouns
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
SNIPE! You're using Zinge Industries wolf skull helmets?! Got so many of them. Was debating on casting my latest space marines with wolf skull helmets or not but yeah! Stickin with my space wolf looking but tank loving team!
glad you chose that colour scheme Snipe, word bearers have always had my favourite design for chaos space marines for some reason.
a tac squad of ultramarines + captain squaring up against some "not word bearers" terminators is also very… "Chaos Gate"? the only thing that would improve this vibe is if Wib took a rhino that they weren't able to drive over relief terrain and that got stuck in the backfield doing nothing
They're not Word Bearers. Geez. :P
This should be interesting to watch. Being a 2nd ed player... really going to come down to that first turn shooting from the missile launcher and meltagun I feel as 2+ save termies can die to the bolter fire but it's not likely with the 2d6 armour save. Curious how you guys are going to find close combat even now I still find the oddest part of 2nd ed. Still remember the old strategy of my dad's Orks charging my hive tyrant with gretchin and sacrificing most of the unit so his runtherd fought last only to get so many additional bonuses for doing so he easily killed the tyrant. A tactic I occasionally use as still play the odd 2nd ed game and have the Orks now as he stopped playing in the early 2000's.
All good points, but don't underestimate rapid fire from the marines. If they force enough armour saves the termies are bound to fail a few... I think if the marines get first turn they'll have a good chance.
@@secondeditionwargaming Oh I know about rapid fire. The main reason my 2nd ed nid army kind of went warrior/gargoyle heavy for broods as the others... yeah no rapid fire gun lines were not fun for them.