Derren Brown With Iain M Banks - Trick of the Mind
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2013
- Derren predicts the word POP from a random sentence Iain Banks reads from one of his books.
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I guess I have to imagine the bit where Derren reveals whats written on the pad.
Who edits these vids?
Whew, I am glad we didn´t get to see his reaction to the reveal, that would have ruined it.
Haha
For book selection, he had picked up that book and kept it in the middle. For page selection, he kept his hand on Bank's wrist throughout the page selection process and gave a slight tap when he wanted him to stop (Even though extremely commendable since he was rifling through the pages). For choosing page he again pointed it out strongly and then for section, he made sure that he ended his sentence with 'STOP' when he saw that Bank's eyes are around the section he wants. Then for the word pop he said a word that 'jumps out' at you. BTW, guessing based on observation, so I might be completely wrong here.
Derren makes him pick that book, he manipulates him to pick the row closet top him. Then he re orders the books in a way 1:07 . Then he makes a crease in the book page at 1:42 he book has a natural crease so it will stop at the page (he is probualy going to stop near the middle then it will riffle to the creased page ) 2:18 he points at the page in such a way he will pick the other page. 2:24 he points to the 'little passage' 3:12 a word that JUMPS out at you. He basically makes him fall into a predictable way that Derren already knows hence the prediction. He makes him pick everything he wants him too.
also he said the word pop somewhere in a sentence
"to" and I don't think so.
Sure he said snap or crackle also haha.
But either way, it's mighty impressive to get it done in real time.
It's pretty obvious he doesn't choose the creased page
I'm glad you explained that thanks. I thought he was a magic man
RIP Iain Banks (9/6/13)
I died when he just broke the spine like nothing at 1:42 ... :-O
1:06 notice how Derren changes the order of the books so that the red one is in the middle - with red being the most eye-catching color.
"prefer to go with a word that JUMPS out" mm subtle Derren :3
Ah man, Ian Banks. I hope his last months are happy ones, thanks for all the amazing stories dude.
I think he read the red book in advance and made him choose it. He placed it exactly in front of Branks associating the word "excellent" with it. Once he chose the appropriate book, he just had to go the page he wanted and bend it, then the "Pop" induction carthy mentioned did the rest.
SPOILER:
I have had the opportunity of viewing this on HD television but you can download this clip and play it with VLC player. It gives you freeze frame, slow motion forward/backward play and excellent definition.
Stop looking at the books or Derren grabbing hold of IB's arm or the multiple choices. This is all about the whisky bottle, or rather its strange contents that appear to defy the laws of time and space!
Compare the level at different times of the trick, particularly at 0:12 and 0:38(when he is preparing the pad and having written the chosen word) with 1:10 where the book/word selection procedure is on-going. You will notice that the whisky level has gone up not down! You will also notice that IB has had at least one re-fill of his glass which roughly corresponds to the difference although the wrong way round! The only reasonable explanation is that the 'pad' clip occurred after IB chose the book passage and selected the word from it.
I am sure that the trick was much longer than that broadcast. There was no live audience with their inquisitive nature. One can but speculate what additional sleights or mis-directions occurred and were edited out.
An irritating thing about these recordings is the number of cameras being used which gives an excellent opportunity for such editing.
I don't believe that IB was a stooge which would have been an easy explanation.
I still think that DB is a bit of a gentleman (at least while he leaves the hypnotism alone!).
Not really how he did it, he used unconcious commuciation hints, having the word pop written in a special waay on the flask. You are not aware of it conciously but your brain will realise this uncincously, and you will pick words out by intition. This is also used in things such as photoreading and so on.
I think you need to do your work more properly kid....
DestinzNewoY Wingstary I appreciate that English is not your first Language, so I will keep my reply to you as simple as possible.
You have proposed that he has influenced IB by using 'unconscious communications' with nothing to support such a thesis. This is a procedure much used in the advertising industry with very mixed results.- after all, do you rush out and buy all the goods you see so advertised?
As regards your somewhat dismissive response to my account, you have not challenged one single observation that I made.
As regards your advice that I 'do your work more properly kid', I should point out that I am 42 years old, hold a Forensic Science BSc(Hons) awarded at Kingston University and my working day consists of 'working properly' kid!
Really well-spotted Kevin! I believe there is a special term for this... IB is not a stooge (and we are not either), he is just witnessing a different trick/illusion. In other words, if IB watched this, he would know how it was done.
kevinbd70 When you say that you have a BS in Forensic Science, I believe it, since you spotted something that ordinarly wouldn't be spotable. And it isn't just with the wine bottle, but with the books themselves -- there's also a slight change to them in the different frames. I know that IB wasn't an actor, and I know that DB does have incredible cold reading and mind manipulation abilities, but the editing of the clip does make one wonder what exactly was going on behind the scenes.
Godspeed, Iain. :'-(
RIP Ian Banks. Amazing author. I adore the Culture novels
I've read all of Iain's books as they were published, my favourite author, I shall miss that annual event! Saw the trick when 1st broadcast, just found again & watched several times. 1st part missing, IB 1st chose his novels or sci-fi, and picked sci fi. DB writes POP with large elbow moves & IB watching, says "don't look" as he completes. Lots of plosive Ps in patter. Gesture "force" of row choice. Reorganizes row for RED centre (Feersum Endjinn), "excellent" + might anticipate IB choice as much written in "phonetic Scottish" (Fearsome Engine!). DB creases page, I think IB chooses a few pages before? - p110 in my copy. Possibly a little "sticky pages" preparation? Special print with many p110s around that point? (IB removes glasses to actually read a word, so DB confident he wouldn't notice?). Gesture force LH page. DB moves "pointer" finger along page, says "looking up & ..." as his finger moves down and points the place, & IBs thumb left pointing at the place. Moves glasses - DB can allow him to read until he gets to the chosen sentence, then stOPs him & asks for a word that exPLOdes off the page. Also note cork in whiskey bottle will open with a POP that is joy to IBs senses!! Quite chuffed, in my memory of original broadcast I had no idea how it was done. Thanks TH-cam!
I like the bit when he reveals it
The covers are different which appeals the eyes differently?
In order to do this Derren had to memorise where the word "pop" appeared in every one of the books near the middle of each one.
+Darren Gregory Why not? He had to be ready for any choice of book by Iain Banks.
If you don't have a particular favorite, you tend to choose what's in front of you because it's the easiest, which is also why Ian chose the bottom row.
RIP Mr. Banks.
Would you just pop your right hand on any one of these books?
And pick a word that jumps out at you
@@nDjinn1 make a snap decision
Also notice how at 1:43 he harshly bends the book, so that Ian is likely to stop there when he's riffling through the pages.
Yes, but how did he get the page right?
what does bending the book do?make him stop at that page?
Great observations :)
Hi Mark. Sorry, I don't know the significance of 1:20 Can you explain please?
So. How come they don't include Iain's reaction at the end?
There might not have been much of a reaction. As an atheist, materialist and science fiction author, he’s probably very aware of various mentalist/cold reading. Maybe he just nodded and said “good” or something...
th-cam.com/video/x2oXhxAQaKg/w-d-xo.html this clip shows his reaction :)
Oh, Derren. You sneaky, sneaky man :)
One of the things I love the most about Derren is how he actively makes an effort to fool the watcher as to his methods as well. Sometimes things like that are deliberately put there ;)
Nice forcing technique of the book there. Fortunately for Derren it worked at "stage 1", making the viewer think that Ian had a free choice. He didn't.
Here is a guess of mine for how he chose the bottom row. First of all it looks more uniform with all the books the same size and the awkward hardcover edition in the top one. Also there are certain color combinations that naturally match well together which are opposite colors on the color spectrum (orang&blue, yellow&purple, green&red) You will find this green&red combination on the bottom row which also makes the bottom row just feel right.
Derren knew that he was right handed so he placed the book right where he's right hand would naturally be drawn to.
How this could be done is that guy is a writer he maybe uses the word pop allot while Derren knows that with his photographic memory and thereby predicted he will choose the word pop.
+Morenob That sentance makes absolutely no sense.
Yes, but did you notice the other thing too? The second part of the force.
I notice that when Iain is riffling through the pages of the book, Derren is holding Iain's arm. I wonder whether he adjusts his grip when the correct page comes up...
sneaky Derren:D
he knows what handed he is and places the red book in the middle right in the front of his hand. and he slips a little "pop" in when hes talking to him.
choosing the page is really hard i think, he uses some sort of hypnotic touche cause he is making contact with hes hand while he is choosing the page
Around 1:20 Derren says the following: "*snap* decision" (1:18) and "...just *pop* your right hand..." (1:22)
Derren, throughout, uses a lot of words that are onomatopoeic (even including the word "riffle") to get him thinking about and feeling attracted to those types of words. He also makes jerky, sudden movements, some of which make noise. His manner of speaking is abrupt and staccato.
My observations surely do not explain this trick in its entirety and I know I am still
missing a lot.
Yes, he bends the book. But notice that Iain does not choose the bent-out page, but a page some significant pages before the bend.
You remember yellow but red is still the most eye-catching. Probably because it isn't as common as other colours (like green, you see plants every day or blue, water & sky).
RIP Iain Banks
Derren is fantastic, and his stuff absolutely mind boggling... but I don't for a second believe that in this case he is using any kind of psychological subtleties. As with plenty of his work, it is a classic magic trick (in this case a book test with a fantastic method) with psychological patter to make the spectator and the audience both turn a blind eye to the fact it could be anything else. If people believe it's in their head, they won't look for any gimmicks or classic methods.
Death is an indeterminate time bomb, strapped to us all.
But what about the page? that was totaly random? :P
ive read consider phelbas in hardback now im reading hydrogen sonata on kindle. looking forward to reading the rest. He was a great writer and its a shame he isnt still with us. Cancer sucks.
Excession is his best book, but start with Consider Phlebas and The Player of Games to get the full Culture back story
Around 1:20 Derren says the following: "*snap* decision" (1:18) and "...just *pop* your right hand..." (1:22)
he bent the book to the page prior to given it to him,
not really, the colour green is most recognized by the eye, u would know that if u studied science, but i don't think it has to do with the most eye-catching, this fact merely implies that it is easier to see green for example, a green laser would b the best kind of laser beam that u could see
CRAY CRAZAY
Hm? I never said he should have been more subtle. I just said he was subtle.
1:20 - "Just POP your hand..."
0:50 - eliminate one row, shows the top
1:12 - puts red book in the middle, I dunno why, you figure it out
1:43 - bends the book
3:15 - obvious
:)
he also says "will you just Pop your right hand down on any one of these" I still don't know how he pulled off the whole thing though!
2:02 I think he releases pressure on his wrist to make him stop...
He said "Just pop your hand down on one of these books" He inserted that word in his head. Then he said "a word that jumps out".
It takes a few times of watching it and a little understanding of some of the subliminal messaging to figure this out, but still it seems like so many things could go wrong. If I were doing this then I would choose the word that felt least right just hoping that Derren would guess wrong.
1:21 just POP your right hand down on any one of these books
There is so much more in this video . So many subliminal messages it makes me want to crap my pants ! Superb control
I know how he did it, it was in his book.... sorry to spoil it for you.... before this was shot they both eat rice crispies... pretty obvious really..
This is NOT in his book. Which book do you mean?
Sarah Webb lol he's making a joke.
+Dan S. arrggghhh!! your joke hurt my eyes!
thank you simon my deal... that really meant alot to me.. love you
Like all true anarchists you hit the nail on the head. Peace and Love Freedom fighter.
Yeah, I was disappointed about that too!
I wonder whether Derren was aware of the unusual language used in that book (Feersum Enjun), and was relying on IMB to pick it deliberately?
Pop isn’t an unusual word, though. But yes, any science fiction reader is aware of the highly unusual language of that novel.
I reckon 1:20 was even MORE subtle.. ;)
Why would he need to bend the spine? He could have pre prepared that anyway. Is that misdirection? There could be shaved pages instead...
he knew what page pop was on in all books, random riffle stop on bent page. all the hints dropped, 'pop your hand on a book', 'choose a word that jumps out at you', the bottle with a pop lid. it seemed random but wasnt really
@walletinmypocket - Why do you think he should be more subtle? He's not trying to fool into believing that he has psychic abilities or anything. Everything he says comes across naturally in the context of the conversation. The viewing audience knows the word Derren is looking for, but IMB does not, so the cues *are* used subtly in my view.
I am so dissapointed cos usually the peoples reactions are hilarious
This is even more baffling when you realise that Derren's bend in the book didn't quite work as a force when you can clearly see where he broke the spine a handful of pages after where Iain had stopped...
Am I right in saying that the fact that Derren says 'excellent' as he placed the red book back down influences Iain to pick up that one?
Should have chosen the word gibibibibibigididibigigibididigigigibibigibibi
This guy is amazing. He should be knighted
The thumbnail reminds me of breaking bad.
Ah, sorry. I misread what you typed as sarcasm. oops! Thanks for clarifying for me.
I find this way of sharing not as satisfying, as it ends just south of the "POP"
I guess this might be another form of experiment :)
also folded the book open before handing it to him.. but still.
1:06 doesn't really matter because all of the books are the same.
Equivoque at the beginning with the rows. Putting the red book in the middle doesn't do anything. Not only does Derren give him full chance to change his mind once chosen, but Iain has also pre-chosen that book because of the language in it, making it a challenge for Derren. Wherever Derren would put that book, Iain still would've chosen that one. Bending the book does nothing, too. You can obviously see the gap in the bent pages at 2:05, not where Iain stopped, meaning the bending did nothing..
Nope, red is. It's why many ads such as newspapers and magazines have red advertisements sprawled across it's page - they know people will notice it because of it's bring colour.
explain? :o
Yes... misdirection!
Most of nature is green. I hardly believe humans evolved to better notice green over flashy colours like red or yellow. There's a reason why we see them as bright, eye-catching colours!
wow
Right, just pop... this is the most blatantly I've seen it.
Would you just ´POP´your right hand down 1:22
Im afraid you're both wrong! Im in advertising and the colour that most attracts peoples attention is BLUE.
I came to listen to the flute, but these two guys kept talking over it. Turn them down please.
holy mother of god :0
Don't foget theb wine bottle
not really, the colour green is most recognized by the eye, u would know that if u studied science
well he actually SAYS the word "pop"...
no no ,cant figure this unless by a fluke, or author in on trick lol
That would have little to no effect on the brain's ability to recognise a colour. What you're talking about is purely physical. We're not talking about which colour would be easiest to see with a faint input, we're talking about which one catches your attention. You're off topic.
Everyone who thinks this is done with influence is going to feel really stupid when I mention that it's just a trick.
Yeah Kryzz!!
Brown himself admits it's a trick - he has explained this technique many times - he's very very bloody good at it though! But anyway what is magick or the occult other than trickery?
If Derren were impressive, he'd stop playing with cards and numbers.
He’s probably read all of his books and knows how the author repeats himself through habit. Banks also uses the words scowl, frown and leer a fair bit. Not my favourite novelist, all a bit predictable and repetitive, as Brown has proved.
Get rid of the bloody flute!