Avadis, what we can say… hard work, dedication and of course genuine genius talent. In history we can find unique individual that we can’t be replicated or copy… Einstein, Whitney Houston, Jobs, Wozniak, and many others that make our wold a bit better. I thank all those marvelous geniuses that make this two centuries what we are now.
Being that I am the son of Armenian immigrants and worked at Apple for many years myself, Avie IMHO is somewhat of an unsung hero to me. It is no exaggeration that his work saved Apple.
Thank you so much for amazing interview of such a humble & under appreciated genius. As developer of Mach and later NeXTSTEP which are the foundation of macOS & iOS, Tevanian's software is unknowingly used by countless millions. Tevanian could be considered the OS software Woz to Steve Jobs @ NeXT & later @ Apple when Jobs returned.
The Mach Kernel wasn't exclusively written by him, and the lead developer of Mach was Richard Rashid who later on founded the Microsoft Research division that created WindowsNT.. And the accent kernel from Carnegie Mellon University led to the mach kernel (which replaced accent), and all this kind of software is written/coded by hundreds of people and can't pin a whole system on just a singular person like you're doing...
"Our?" Speak for yourself please. I never take pride in someone else's achievements, certainly not someone related THAT distant. Armenia contributed 0% to his development.
For international audiences, it would be great to explain what the US school equivalents are. My understanding is 'Junior High' is similar to Australian (and European) years 8 through 10. Then Senior High is like years 11-12. College is sometimes 11-12 and/or first 3 years of University?
@@rabidbigdog What did you expect? Do you seriously want to clog up every oral history with an explanation of all the different school systems in the world? Get a clue, kid.
Steve Jobs sure had an eye for talent. I always disliked the way the Jobs movie portrayed Avadis. It’s obvious that the movie got that part so wrong just to hype the main character. IMO, the work of Avadis and Jobs is the foundation that made Apple a trillion dollar company. NeXT, Mach, BSD, Postscript and all of that, I mean it’s the aggressive adoption of futuristic technologies thats Apple’s golden goose.
Yes! It seems that Jobs was quite adept at identifying highly energetic and competent technical people for whom he gladly would attach his wagon to their cart.
The key element that Ave sounded out in this segment @1:38, when he said THE FACT THAT THEY USED MY TECHNOLOGY IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. In a simpler sense, the man created a unique computing technology, has changed the world. Its sheer uniqueness what made the difference to a degree, that both companies benefited from his unique integrated file system technology that made the difference in the technology industry. Avie’s quick dismissals on Microsoft’s NT file system, was due to his perception and acknowledgement of his principal technology, enabling the people to use his Avie also mentioned about the Microsoft’s NT file system format, implying that it would not have come about, if he was hired by Microsoft. He did in fact acknowledge the fact that Microsoft was indeed trying to clone Avie’s kernel integrated file system into Microsoft file system only naming it as an NT file system. Within the same confidence, Avie therefore stated that the Microsoft’s NT file system would not have come into a reality if he went to the Microsoft. Whether the Microsoft indeed used the Mach’s kernel files system to incorporate the Microsoft NT, in order to speed up the Microsoft’s OS’s performance or not, that is something the Microsoft has to clarify. Naturally Microsoft couldn’t sustain the Apple’s tormenting implications, constantly poking the Microsoft for its software vulnerability passage, yet Microsoft collapsed on its face, relying that the Apple will come up with a new software technology to rescue the Microsoft from perishing completely.
A suggestion for the interviewers at CHM ... How about starting all interviews off by mentioning from the outset what the interviewee is known for, as not everyone is aware of this fact and doesn't necessarily want to wait indefinitely until the story evolves. I'd find it much more interesting listening to someone's personal family background and history if I knew where the interview was leading to.
Starting with a short introduction is a good idea, but to be fair this information is available in the summary box (select "show more" depending on what you are using to look at this page and comment).
I was a bit fan of MC680xx CPUs in ~90s and now got some 881хх datasheets and yes -- this CPU was great for the time! I think it was a big commetce fail just becouse Russian E2K is the fail today -- too complicated to learn and write asm for. Dumb and easy intels overpower the market. (Intel's Itanium dead too BTW) P.S> MC56xxx DSP was great too! Very sad that Commodore did not used it in Amigas chipset pack. It had too be killer machine )))
Depends. Being the 3rd generation, I can understand Avie's decision to just Americanize the pronunciation. Happens to a lot of surnames, including (to stay on topic) famous ones like Wozniak.
Great interview. Humble, insightful and incredibly interesting guy. His impact on the industry was immense.
Andrew Richman that might be an understatement.
Awesome interview...Avie is one of the greats 🤓
Terrific stuff. Extremely well prepared and conducted.
Avadis, what we can say… hard work, dedication and of course genuine genius talent. In history we can find unique individual that we can’t be replicated or copy… Einstein, Whitney Houston, Jobs, Wozniak, and many others that make our wold a bit better. I thank all those marvelous geniuses that make this two centuries what we are now.
Thank you for sharing this interview!
You're welcome!
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I hope to visit the Computer History Museum one day.
Thanks for posting this. I'll have to visit the drive-in theater in Portland sometime. I miss when the Computer Museum was on the Boston waterfront.
Being that I am the son of Armenian immigrants and worked at Apple for many years myself, Avie IMHO is somewhat of an unsung hero to me. It is no exaggeration that his work saved Apple.
Coming back to this a year later, I'd love to see Avie and Dave Cutler have a chat.
Radically different personalities ...
This is great ... filling in some huge gaps for me
Please upload the rest of this interview.
Thanks for sharing this.
Is part two coming soon? This was terrific!
Is this Part One of Two, maybe? It finishes rather abruptly.
Yea, I was thinking the same thing. What about his time at Apple?
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One of my software heroes..
Thank you so much for amazing interview of such a humble & under appreciated genius. As developer of Mach and later NeXTSTEP which are the foundation of macOS & iOS, Tevanian's software is unknowingly used by countless millions. Tevanian could be considered the OS software Woz to Steve Jobs @ NeXT & later @ Apple when Jobs returned.
The Mach Kernel wasn't exclusively written by him, and the lead developer of Mach was Richard Rashid who later on founded the Microsoft Research division that created WindowsNT..
And the accent kernel from Carnegie Mellon University led to the mach kernel (which replaced accent), and all this kind of software is written/coded by hundreds of people and can't pin a whole system on just a singular person like you're doing...
@@foxsux6000 What was Richard Rashid's relationship to Dave Cutler re: Windows NT?
N1 Armenian Programmer he is Genius , our pride
"Our?" Speak for yourself please. I never take pride in someone else's achievements, certainly not someone related THAT distant. Armenia contributed 0% to his development.
@@ArumesYT Yes, Avie is Armenian so that means he has nothing to do with Armenians. Makes totally sense
@@alphabeta1337 If that's the best reply you can think of, you just prove my point.
For international audiences, it would be great to explain what the US school equivalents are. My understanding is 'Junior High' is similar to Australian (and European) years 8 through 10. Then Senior High is like years 11-12. College is sometimes 11-12 and/or first 3 years of University?
Junior high in the US is grades 7-8 , and regular high school is 9-12.
You don't have Google in Australia?
@@ArumesYT Uh-huh, yeah thanks for your 'contribution'.
@@rabidbigdog What did you expect? Do you seriously want to clog up every oral history with an explanation of all the different school systems in the world? Get a clue, kid.
Steve Jobs sure had an eye for talent. I always disliked the way the Jobs movie portrayed Avadis. It’s obvious that the movie got that part so wrong just to hype the main character. IMO, the work of Avadis and Jobs is the foundation that made Apple a trillion dollar company. NeXT, Mach, BSD, Postscript and all of that, I mean it’s the aggressive adoption of futuristic technologies thats Apple’s golden goose.
Yes! It seems that Jobs was quite adept at identifying highly energetic and competent technical people for whom he gladly would attach his wagon to their cart.
The key element that Ave sounded out in this segment @1:38, when he said THE FACT THAT THEY USED MY TECHNOLOGY IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. In a simpler sense, the man created a unique computing technology, has changed the world. Its sheer uniqueness what made the difference to a degree, that both companies benefited from his unique integrated file system technology that made the difference in the technology industry. Avie’s quick dismissals on Microsoft’s NT file system, was due to his perception and acknowledgement of his principal technology, enabling the people to use his
Avie also mentioned about the Microsoft’s NT file system format, implying that it would not have come about, if he was hired by Microsoft. He did in fact acknowledge the fact that Microsoft was indeed trying to clone Avie’s kernel integrated file system into Microsoft file system only naming it as an NT file system. Within the same confidence, Avie therefore stated that the Microsoft’s NT file system would not have come into a reality if he went to the Microsoft.
Whether the Microsoft indeed used the Mach’s kernel files system to incorporate the Microsoft NT, in order to speed up the Microsoft’s OS’s performance or not, that is something the Microsoft has to clarify.
Naturally Microsoft couldn’t sustain the Apple’s tormenting implications, constantly poking the Microsoft for its software vulnerability passage, yet Microsoft collapsed on its face, relying that the Apple will come up with a new software technology to rescue the Microsoft from perishing completely.
Avie for President!
A suggestion for the interviewers at CHM ... How about starting all interviews off by mentioning from the outset what the interviewee is known for, as not everyone is aware of this fact and doesn't necessarily want to wait indefinitely until the story evolves. I'd find it much more interesting listening to someone's personal family background and history if I knew where the interview was leading to.
Starting with a short introduction is a good idea, but to be fair this information is available in the summary box (select "show more" depending on what you are using to look at this page and comment).
Wikipedia...
You found the video, you found the comments, you missed the part in between. Try again.
Can you do one with Leslie Lamport?
I imagine, MIT and Stanford regretted their failure to comply with Avie's demands once Steve returned to Apple with Avie and the rest.
I was a bit fan of MC680xx CPUs in ~90s and now got some 881хх datasheets and yes -- this CPU was great for the time! I think it was a big commetce fail just becouse Russian E2K is the fail today -- too complicated to learn and write asm for. Dumb and easy intels overpower the market. (Intel's Itanium dead too BTW) P.S> MC56xxx DSP was great too! Very sad that Commodore did not used it in Amigas chipset pack. It had too be killer machine )))
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actually the host had the correct pronunciation of your name...
Depends. Being the 3rd generation, I can understand Avie's decision to just Americanize the pronunciation. Happens to a lot of surnames, including (to stay on topic) famous ones like Wozniak.
"Always the different one" like Adam Cartwright.
Avie, the correct way to say your name is Tev-uh-NYAN!
One of interviewers mumbles constantly. Don't you have someone with better articulation?