The best part of this episode was at the end. Stephen was thanking the guests for appearing, when, under the sound of applause, Phil pointed to himself and forlornly mouthed the words: "I'm not here".
In Sweden we have the Sun very low in the sky in wintertime, blinding us especially if there is snow. But I always comfort myself with knowing that it is NOT THERE.
0:36 Just look at this short moment when Phil does this tiny smile. This is the moment when a comedy pro has an idea and knows he will dig comedy gold.
So if you were driving in New Zealand, and some loon drives into you and gives the reason "the sun shone in my eyes" you could say "actually, the sun wasn't there, so you're wrong", you could win the case as you'd be right!
The sarcasm and logical quip of the sun is not there. And I dare say the drivers of New Zealand when they see the sun setting, are reassured to know.. that it’s not there. Classic 😂
Phil (standing in front of a mirror): "OMG, there is someone standing right in front of me, who looks EXACTLY like me and copies everything I do PERFECTLY". Stephen: "No, it's just your reflection. The mirror reflects the light". Phil: "But I can see him with my own eyes and you are telling me that he is NOT there".
Alan Davies's comment about New Zealand's being so far south as to cause problems with sun reflections off roads is fascinating. Complete nonsense, of course, since all of Great Britain is further north of the equator than any of New Zealand is south of the equator. (Slope Point, NZ is 46°40' S latitude; Lizard Point is 49.96° N latitude.) The real issue is that the sun sometimes shines in New Zealand and never* does in Great Britain, not the angle of the sunlight relative to the surface. * For sufficiently approximate values of "never". 8-)
There are certain times of the year when I’ve had to pull over in the car because I can’t see the road ahead of me due to the sun. I live in the Southern most point of NZ
@navierstalks GB is latitudes 50-60, NZ is 34-47, that's like the difference between Great Britain and Spain. Do Spanish drivers suffer sunstrike? NZ has higher sunshine and higher rainfall than GB. In the same day you can have an early afternoon rain shower, and then drive home into the setting sun reflecting off the rain slicked roads. Forgetting your sunglasses in conditions like that is deadly.
@SlappaDeBassMon Perhaps we don't get enough exposure to NZ accents in the UK. Similar to how some Americans think that there are only two English accents - RP and cockney, since most exported TV and film contains those accents.
@Canadianabanana im guessing that it is the sun and not a mirage, look at the sun when it hits the horizon (0:16) and you see a tip of a "mirror image" at the bottom so i'd guess that is where it actually is still 'the sun' and not the mirage. so as it gets closer to the horizon the light starts to bend more (because the angle becomes more shallow) and thats when see the mirage. But thats just how i figure it.
@midnightdigg because I think, that it hasn't been shown on the BBC yet so therefore it can't be on the iPlayer. Don't worry it'll be there in a few days.
@durbst3r Am I missing something here? The bloke in the video doesn't say anything about the blinding phenomenon being seasonal. The angle of the sun's rays in the UK in June should be roughly the same as those in NZ in December, and likewise for the rest of the year.
@Mx41204 I'm two weeks late on this, but he's actually pretty damn smart. He plays the naive simpleton role for QI, but I dare say he's usually the smartest one around the table other than Fry.
I wonder if they are taking into consideration that light takes a bit longer than 8 minutes to reach the earth.. So we're also seeing the sun in the position in was in 8 minutes ago.
Globe Earth / Heliocentrism would mean Sun moves equal distance per hour in the sky [ which this clip shows it dOes not do } . Sun appears to slow down because its going further away on the plane , its called " perspective ".
That's cos we don't know the difference. I've also noticed that Americans mix up British and Aussie accents, probably cos we both call other people "mate" (well in Britain, it's mainly working class men in SE England who use that word).
@Gdansk8121 I thumbs uped this without thinking too much but now I think you're wrong. It is irrelevant that the sun's light takes 8 minutes to reach us, because the sun sets due to the spinning of the earth, not any motion of the sun, so it is like a fixed point relative to the earth, the time the light takes to reach us makes no difference.
@UncleGweilo I never said if the sun sets or not, I was merely speaking of optics and the effects of light in accordance with one's vision. Also I'm well aware of the mechanics of heliocentrism and have no need for an explanation.
@CommandLineCowboy You're right. When I said they were the same distance from the equator, I was being generous to the guy in the video. In fact, GB is further from the equator than NZ, which makes him even more of an idiot. Higher rain and higher sunshine is a good point, if true, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the video. He was talking about the angle of the rays. The angle is closer to the perpendicular in NZ than in GB, making him flat out wrong.
Actually the sun set much earlier. The Sun is half a degree wide and in order to circle 360 degrees in 24 hours it much go 30 Sun-widths in an hour, or its own width every 2 minutes. In addition the Sun is about 8 light-minutes away from the Earth. So when the Sun has in reality set we see it 4 solar widths above the horizon.
I'm not a sciencey-physicsy dude so.... If I were at a location in which the sun passed directly overhead, assuming the earth rotates at a constant speed, would it not appear that the sun had sped up or slowed down at some point when moving closer to the horizon?
That is a crazy fact for sure... my jaw dropped actually.. will remember this to teach my grandchildren =) So they too, can hate this show and the sun...
hmmmm... it's this sunset spot thing the same all over the world? or this happens just in the equator? Too bad this isn't aired in my country I love this show
What about the sunrise? Are we seeing the sun before it's actually up?, if so, the immediate light from it is light from a mirage? There must be a few minutes of mirage light before the actual sunlight. :)
it was a mirage from the beginning actually you can see the distortion and the red color. then u are seeing a mirage of a mirage once the image breaks up and distorts more. Light is bending yes but within a concave earth and it bends along the magnetic field. understand that it only appears to set and if u increase the altitude the sun hasn’t actually set and there is more horizon beyond the capabilities of your mortal eyes perceive. if u go up and get a 360 view you will see horizon at eye level creating a bowl the horizon never drops below eye level in any circumstance so no it ain’t flat and it ain’t a ball and yes this mythic atmosphere that bends light prove it. magnetism is proven to bend light.
This is such a strange show from an American perspective. In America, people gather on panels to violently argue about things they don't understand. In Britain, people gather on panels to humorously discuss historical and scientific esoterica. I was born in the wrong country.
I can't watch this show with my mom. (Going to vent here, be warned.) She wouldn't believe this, even when I pulled up evidence on the net for her. "Well, scientists change their minds all the time. They don't know anything. It's JUST a theory." It's physics. What about the theory of gravity or electricity? Are you not a doctor?! How the hell do you get a a medical degree if you are so dismissive of science..?
You should listen to your Mum. She is far wiser than you think. If you no longer believe that what you see is the sun, but a mirage, due to 3:10 clip, then I feel for how easily your mind is molded. You really think that's not the sun? Because the funny man on the telly said so? If you do remember this....next time you see the sun, every time you see the sun, reember this.... it's not really there but a mirage. This also is true for the moon...so do you think you have ever seen the moon? or is that a mirage too? Find a picture of the sun and moon and answer this simple question.... Is it the sun and the moon or a 'mirage'. If it's a mirage then you have never seen the sun and moon and every image must in fact be a 'mirage' Give me a break.
You're welcome. I wish I could say you make me laugh, but you scare me. It scares me that you don't trust your own eyes when a man on the TV says so. Terrifying. You are a vapid, empty nothing, you are a blank slate ready to be programmed with any BS. As you demonstrate. Let me assure you of something, you won't like .... If the TV can convince you that you have never seen the sun, during a sunset or sunrise, your whole life in a short 3 min video clip, then you become one of the reasons this world is so easily lied to. Bet you believe you would float off due if there was no gravity, huh? lol
Gods Grasshopper Hey genius, I didn't find out about this on the TV. I actually studied this in physics. But whatever, do as you like, keep on thinking you are the real deal. Just saying, if we were to rely on our eyes ALONE without reasoning, scientific experiments, research and technological innovation, we would still think that lightning is the gods' anger, rain their tears, the Sun moves around the Earth and so forth. But perhaps you do believe in that?
does that mean that at any time of the day, wherever the sun appears to be its actually a few cm(to our eyes not the real distance) beside what we see. But what a mood dampener, 'don't you just love the sun set Oliver' 'Yes dear, but it has actually set... what you see is a mirage...'
No. Mirages exist, in so much as the image of a mirage exists. What we see in a mirage isn't physically there, that's all. The fact that you see the sun when it isn't there is the mirage. And if the mirage of the sun being there is only that, a mirage, then the sun isn't really there.
@navierstalks First of all, MST3K mantra. He talked about it for 20 seconds. He's not an expert, definitely doesn't know all the details, but I'm sure it exists. He says it happens in New Zealand, not 'only' there, and it probably is seasonal, because around December and January, New Zealand is one of the closest countries to the Sun, so it can't happen then with the conditions he described. Also, it's Alan freaking Davies. There's a reason he's in every show and it's not because he's smart =))
It takes 8 minutes for the light to reach earth from the sun, so say it turns blue one day, we would see that happen 8 minites after it did. Also, quite an interesting fact, half of the stars you see in the sky could have died 200 years ago and aren't actually there, because theyre so far away it takes ages for light to get to us.
@CodenameJD The problem is, our visual systems regularly lie to us about the outside world. The plethora of Optical illusions available to us proves this.
@damnbestbal won't let you watch it??!! that's sacrilige!!! well, welcome to the world of the people who are generally ignorant. you will learn, laugh, share, and love this programme.
QI elves seem to be wrong, but any answer must be moot. If we’re talking about ‘tricks of the light’ in broad scientific terms, as opposed to the ‘real’ location of the sun, then by my calculation and including refraction, the correct answer should be about 26 seconds before the clip began. It takes light av. 500 seconds to travel from photosphere to Earth, 1/173 of a solar day. The sun subtends 0.52 degrees (31 arc-minutes) or approx. 1/692 of a great circle. Therefore, when you see the sun at midday, its ‘real’ position is just less than 4 sun-widths further across the sky. Combining refractive and relativistic effects would put the sun ‘just over the horizon’ when it appears to be about 5 sun-widths above it.
As a child, I used to have logic arguments with various adults based on the point "Is the sun truly under the horizon when only a tiny bit is under or when all of it is under?" My argument was 'only a tiny bit', but I always got told the latter. Nice to know I was essentially correct.
Tim Is right. I live in Dunedin, towards the south of South Island, it has nearly the same(but southerly) latitude as Bordeaux, but not as warm, we get a cold ocean current. The sun does seem more fierce here, that might be the hole in the ozone layer, or maybe just less shit in the air.
The best part of this episode was at the end. Stephen was thanking the guests for appearing, when, under the sound of applause, Phil pointed to himself and forlornly mouthed the words: "I'm not here".
"I HATE this show... Cause this sun is THERE and you're like "NO". You - it's the SUN -! 'Not there! Miraaaaaaaaaage!'" XD
MsStarsea One of Phil’s gems
MsStarsea i grew up in Scotland and they are there
*Change that to “I hate Phil”. Much more accurate
'i dare say that the drivers of New Zealand as they see the sun setting, are reassured to know... that it's not ther :) '
0:40 the look on Phil’s face looks like he’s saying “This better be good, Melchett”
I love this clip. Every time I watch, Phill has me belly-laughing!
I would watch a program with just Phill and Fry.
never cringed so hard from a comment
@@ttvdizturb3d I'm sure he cares really
@@ttvdizturb3d what a strange little comment you made
I love Phil's impressions of Stephen
In Sweden we have the Sun very low in the sky in wintertime, blinding us especially if there is snow. But I always comfort myself with knowing that it is NOT THERE.
Phil was fantastic in this. love his Fry impression...
0:36 Just look at this short moment when Phil does this tiny smile. This is the moment when a comedy pro has an idea and knows he will dig comedy gold.
Left out the funniest bit with the question about the staircase shape "it's not there"
There was never that bit it was a mirrage
I think Stephen finally broke Phil...I want to give him a hug.
2:51 had me in stitches
hehe...Ronnie was finally funny with her Scottish mirage line.
So if you were driving in New Zealand, and some loon drives into you and gives the reason "the sun shone in my eyes" you could say "actually, the sun wasn't there, so you're wrong", you could win the case as you'd be right!
i have watched this clip so many times and it still makes me laugh everytime lol
Love the way he says "miraaage"
‘Speeded up, obviously’
Lol why is this so funny
NOOO....NOT THEEERE....MIRAAAGEEE
The sarcasm and logical quip of the sun is not there.
And I dare say the drivers of New Zealand when they see the sun setting, are reassured to know.. that it’s not there.
Classic 😂
I just cry with laughter at this show.
Stephen's tie is amazing!
They missed the bit after where Stephen asks 'What is strange about this stair case' and phil jupitus says 'I know, its not there!'
So when I drive in NZ, get caught by sunstrike and crash, at least I can think to myself "It's not there..."
Phil (standing in front of a mirror): "OMG, there is someone standing right in front of me, who looks EXACTLY like me and copies everything I do PERFECTLY".
Stephen: "No, it's just your reflection. The mirror reflects the light".
Phil: "But I can see him with my own eyes and you are telling me that he is NOT there".
Stephen's tie=all kinds of awesome.
anyone else notice when alan is talking about new zealand he speaks in a aussie accent
The sun's light takes about 8 minutes to reach the Earth, so the moment of Sun setting is eight minutes before moment Stephen pointed out.
Alan Davies's comment about New Zealand's being so far south as to cause problems with sun reflections off roads is fascinating. Complete nonsense, of course, since all of Great Britain is further north of the equator than any of New Zealand is south of the equator. (Slope Point, NZ is 46°40' S latitude; Lizard Point is 49.96° N latitude.)
The real issue is that the sun sometimes shines in New Zealand and never* does in Great Britain, not the angle of the sunlight relative to the surface.
* For sufficiently approximate values of "never". 8-)
Also a lot more of England is more densely forested and populated by cities and skyscrapers than… New Zealand
There are certain times of the year when I’ve had to pull over in the car because I can’t see the road ahead of me due to the sun. I live in the Southern most point of NZ
Phill Jupitus is my spirit animal.
Yay! I would have gotten this one right!
I pressed my buzzer at 0:16.
so happy he's talking about new zealand
They're all looking at him like he's purely mad.
MAD I SAY!!
@navierstalks GB is latitudes 50-60, NZ is 34-47, that's like the difference between Great Britain and Spain. Do Spanish drivers suffer sunstrike? NZ has higher sunshine and higher rainfall than GB. In the same day you can have an early afternoon rain shower, and then drive home into the setting sun reflecting off the rain slicked roads. Forgetting your sunglasses in conditions like that is deadly.
@SlappaDeBassMon Perhaps we don't get enough exposure to NZ accents in the UK. Similar to how some Americans think that there are only two English accents - RP and cockney, since most exported TV and film contains those accents.
@Canadianabanana im guessing that it is the sun and not a mirage, look at the sun when it hits the horizon (0:16) and you see a tip of a "mirror image" at the bottom so i'd guess that is where it actually is still 'the sun' and not the mirage. so as it gets closer to the horizon the light starts to bend more (because the angle becomes more shallow) and thats when see the mirage. But thats just how i figure it.
@midnightdigg because I think, that it hasn't been shown on the BBC yet so therefore it can't be on the iPlayer. Don't worry it'll be there in a few days.
@durbst3r Am I missing something here? The bloke in the video doesn't say anything about the blinding phenomenon being seasonal. The angle of the sun's rays in the UK in June should be roughly the same as those in NZ in December, and likewise for the rest of the year.
This is the absolute best qi moment in my opinion
+Milena Z,
Perhaps on par with the giant tortoise...
Blue whale?
Jack Dee's comment about female comedians is the greatest one-liner.
LOVE THIS ONE TOO
best show on tv!
@Mx41204 I'm two weeks late on this, but he's actually pretty damn smart. He plays the naive simpleton role for QI, but I dare say he's usually the smartest one around the table other than Fry.
@opryhunter Probably the reverse. When you first see it peek above the horizon it is already fully above it.
@HojoOSanagi Actually the sun does not set. We rotate around so you can't see the sun for around 12 hours.
This is one of those QI facts that I'm going to refute for the sake of my mental health. It's up there with that 'two moons' madness.
ok, so how does this affect vampires?
They're not there
@@RGBeanie Mirage
I wonder if they are taking into consideration that light takes a bit longer than 8 minutes to reach the earth.. So we're also seeing the sun in the position in was in 8 minutes ago.
Except the Sun isn't moving; the Earth is.
Well it is, just not relative to us.
Globe Earth / Heliocentrism would mean Sun moves equal distance per hour in the sky [ which this clip shows it dOes not do } . Sun appears to slow down because its going further away on the plane , its called " perspective ".
There's also that the sun's 8 light minutes away from earth, so that would delay it too.
Well yes, you could say that you are seeing the sun as it was 8 minutes ago.
"that it's not there" XD
@navierstalks Yes, but the earth doesn't sit upright in relation to the sun, it's tilted on its axis.
I think the clip is the end of THX-1138. I haven't seen it in awhile. Looks fimiliar though.
@WeShallNeverStop Wrong episode, go to the "Quickfire Hypotheticals" episode.
Funny, every time I hear someone from Britain attempting a New Zealand accent, it sounds Australian to me (I'm a NZer by the way).
That's cos we don't know the difference. I've also noticed that Americans mix up British and Aussie accents, probably cos we both call other people "mate" (well in Britain, it's mainly working class men in SE England who use that word).
not there when we do. same geometry of passing through the atmosphere at a low angle raising the sun.
I've genuinely only ever heard one New Zealander (Jarred Christmas) talk but I've heard countless Australians. I guess that's why we do it!
Watch Flight of the Concords - a great Kiwi show.
@opryhunter yep! It's the complete opposite effect so the sun appears before it's actually geometrically risen.
@Gdansk8121 I thumbs uped this without thinking too much but now I think you're wrong. It is irrelevant that the sun's light takes 8 minutes to reach us, because the sun sets due to the spinning of the earth, not any motion of the sun, so it is like a fixed point relative to the earth, the time the light takes to reach us makes no difference.
@UncleGweilo
I never said if the sun sets or not, I was merely speaking of optics and the effects of light in accordance with one's vision. Also I'm well aware of the mechanics of heliocentrism and have no need for an explanation.
@Mx41204 btw, MST3K Mantra is "Relax, it's just a show." Although (most of) the info they give is right, it's a comedy show through and through.
@CommandLineCowboy You're right. When I said they were the same distance from the equator, I was being generous to the guy in the video. In fact, GB is further from the equator than NZ, which makes him even more of an idiot. Higher rain and higher sunshine is a good point, if true, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the video. He was talking about the angle of the rays. The angle is closer to the perpendicular in NZ than in GB, making him flat out wrong.
What shape is this staircase?
Actually the sun set much earlier. The Sun is half a degree wide and in order to circle 360 degrees in 24 hours it much go 30 Sun-widths in an hour, or its own width every 2 minutes. In addition the Sun is about 8 light-minutes away from the Earth. So when the Sun has in reality set we see it 4 solar widths above the horizon.
So in other countries the road doesn’t get super bright when the sun is on it?
I'm not a sciencey-physicsy dude so.... If I were at a location in which the sun passed directly overhead, assuming the earth rotates at a constant speed, would it not appear that the sun had sped up or slowed down at some point when moving closer to the horizon?
@MrBuch169169 I knew I couldn't be the only one!
Exactly those two moments as well, kudos :)
That is a crazy fact for sure... my jaw dropped actually.. will remember this to teach my grandchildren =) So they too, can hate this show and the sun...
@suckfuldodger Welll... it was Alan who said it.
What about the fact that it takes 8 mins for the sun's light to hit our eyes? Then it sets when it's touching the horizon minus 8 minutes
hmmmm... it's this sunset spot thing the same all over the world? or this happens just in the equator? Too bad this isn't aired in my country I love this show
What about the sunrise? Are we seeing the sun before it's actually up?, if so, the immediate light from it is light from a mirage? There must be a few minutes of mirage light before the actual sunlight. :)
it was a mirage from the beginning actually you can see the distortion and the red color. then u are seeing a mirage of a mirage once the image breaks up and distorts more. Light is bending yes but within a concave earth and it bends along the magnetic field. understand that it only appears to set and if u increase the altitude the sun hasn’t actually set and there is more horizon beyond the capabilities of your mortal eyes perceive. if u go up and get a 360 view you will see horizon at eye level creating a bowl the horizon never drops below eye level in any circumstance so no it ain’t flat and it ain’t a ball and yes this mythic atmosphere that bends light prove it. magnetism is proven to bend light.
This is such a strange show from an American perspective. In America, people gather on panels to violently argue about things they don't understand. In Britain, people gather on panels to humorously discuss historical and scientific esoterica. I was born in the wrong country.
maybe you watching the wrong shows in your TV... garbage shows like reality tv and all that crap are also made in UK
The real thing is that the sun is 8 light minutes away and whatever we see is 8 minutes off where it really is physically
not theeeeere
miraaaaaaaage
@TheBakers7 It's not there.
Mirage.
I can't watch this show with my mom. (Going to vent here, be warned.) She wouldn't believe this, even when I pulled up evidence on the net for her. "Well, scientists change their minds all the time. They don't know anything. It's JUST a theory." It's physics. What about the theory of gravity or electricity? Are you not a doctor?! How the hell do you get a a medical degree if you are so dismissive of science..?
+Kaniner Flagg geez...
You should listen to your Mum. She is far wiser than you think. If you no longer believe that what you see is the sun, but a mirage, due to 3:10 clip, then I feel for how easily your mind is molded.
You really think that's not the sun? Because the funny man on the telly said so?
If you do remember this....next time you see the sun, every time you see the sun, reember this.... it's not really there but a mirage.
This also is true for the moon...so do you think you have ever seen the moon? or is that a mirage too? Find a picture of the sun and moon and answer this simple question....
Is it the sun and the moon or a 'mirage'. If it's a mirage then you have never seen the sun and moon and every image must in fact be a 'mirage' Give me a break.
Gods Grasshopper Thanks for the laugh :)
You're welcome. I wish I could say you make me laugh, but you scare me. It scares me that you don't trust your own eyes when a man on the TV says so.
Terrifying. You are a vapid, empty nothing, you are a blank slate ready to be programmed with any BS. As you demonstrate.
Let me assure you of something, you won't like ....
If the TV can convince you that you have never seen the sun, during a sunset or sunrise, your whole life in a short 3 min video clip, then you become one of the reasons this world is so easily lied to.
Bet you believe you would float off due if there was no gravity, huh? lol
Gods Grasshopper Hey genius, I didn't find out about this on the TV. I actually studied this in physics. But whatever, do as you like, keep on thinking you are the real deal. Just saying, if we were to rely on our eyes ALONE without reasoning, scientific experiments, research and technological innovation, we would still think that lightning is the gods' anger, rain their tears, the Sun moves around the Earth and so forth. But perhaps you do believe in that?
does that mean that at any time of the day, wherever the sun appears to be its actually a few cm(to our eyes not the real distance) beside what we see.
But what a mood dampener, 'don't you just love the sun set Oliver'
'Yes dear, but it has actually set... what you see is a mirage...'
0:35 is all of us. "Wut?"
Miraaaage!
No. Mirages exist, in so much as the image of a mirage exists. What we see in a mirage isn't physically there, that's all. The fact that you see the sun when it isn't there is the mirage. And if the mirage of the sun being there is only that, a mirage, then the sun isn't really there.
When does the sun start becoming a mirage though? Like, @0:13 for instance. Is that the sun? Or a mirage?
@navierstalks First of all, MST3K mantra.
He talked about it for 20 seconds. He's not an expert, definitely doesn't know all the details, but I'm sure it exists. He says it happens in New Zealand, not 'only' there, and it probably is seasonal, because around December and January, New Zealand is one of the closest countries to the Sun, so it can't happen then with the conditions he described.
Also, it's Alan freaking Davies. There's a reason he's in every show and it's not because he's smart =))
wait so sun strike doesnt happen in other places ?
stroke
Not even Flight of Conchords, I'm afraid.
It takes 8 minutes for the light to reach earth from the sun, so say it turns blue one day, we would see that happen 8 minites after it did. Also, quite an interesting fact, half of the stars you see in the sky could have died 200 years ago and aren't actually there, because theyre so far away it takes ages for light to get to us.
@CodenameJD The problem is, our visual systems regularly lie to us about the outside world. The plethora of Optical illusions available to us proves this.
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@damnbestbal won't let you watch it??!! that's sacrilige!!! well, welcome to the world of the people who are generally ignorant. you will learn, laugh, share, and love this programme.
It's so amusing to see grown men perplexed by a fact that I had learned to comprehend in grade 9 Physics.
Aww, poor Phil...
QI elves seem to be wrong, but any answer must be moot. If we’re talking about ‘tricks of the light’ in broad scientific terms, as opposed to the ‘real’ location of the sun, then by my calculation and including refraction, the correct answer should be about 26 seconds before the clip began. It takes light av. 500 seconds to travel from photosphere to Earth, 1/173 of a solar day. The sun subtends 0.52 degrees (31 arc-minutes) or approx. 1/692 of a great circle. Therefore, when you see the sun at midday, its ‘real’ position is just less than 4 sun-widths further across the sky. Combining refractive and relativistic effects would put the sun ‘just over the horizon’ when it appears to be about 5 sun-widths above it.
Is there anything Dubledore does NOT know?
Horizon is above the skyline. I would've got points for that.
ITS NOT THERE
As a child, I used to have logic arguments with various adults based on the point "Is the sun truly under the horizon when only a tiny bit is under or when all of it is under?"
My argument was 'only a tiny bit', but I always got told the latter. Nice to know I was essentially correct.
All of Britain is further North than New Zealand is South...
+Tim Stanton The Earth's axis of rotation is tilted, not vertical.
Tim Is right. I live in Dunedin, towards the south of South Island, it has nearly the same(but southerly) latitude as Bordeaux, but not as warm, we get a cold ocean current. The sun does seem more fierce here, that might be the hole in the ozone layer, or maybe just less shit in the air.
Interesting
@SnowManxzz Lol why would it be Top Gear?
@Azumarule it was probs a failed attempt of a new zeland accent as they both have similair accents
@damnbestbal so you've only just discovered QI?
Janey Carr, Jimmy Carr's less well known sister.