The origin of Etho's nickname 'Ladders'

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  • @M_1024
    @M_1024 ปีที่แล้ว +3573

    "What would I ever do without you, Ladders?"
    "Jump"

  • @tetrispainter7755
    @tetrispainter7755 ปีที่แล้ว +3139

    the fact that Ladders as his nickname was from a Team Canada episode makes Etho’s nickname even more wholesome

  • @Bloodn0k
    @Bloodn0k ปีที่แล้ว +2628

    Ladders, mum, Beef's legs. Ah Team Canada we've missed you.

    • @Hiznogood
      @Hiznogood ปีที่แล้ว +113

      They’re playing a CTM right now! Team Canada is back with the Beefter, Etho and Pause. Videos are on Beef’s channel!

    • @waffleprocrastinates
      @waffleprocrastinates ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@Hiznogood this is the best of news

    • @JazzyWaffles
      @JazzyWaffles ปีที่แล้ว +48

      If someone ever rebuilt the original pair of legs from the prank on Mindcrack as a time-travel-themed prank on Beef I think I'd cry a little from nostalgia.

    • @ajbeew2257
      @ajbeew2257 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      intro boy

    • @jayh5840
      @jayh5840 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I love TC series but I’m an OOGE guy call me old fashioned

  • @chastermief839
    @chastermief839 ปีที่แล้ว +1254

    I like that the original joke is literally beef just saying "that's what they called him in college". like... it doesn't actually have a 'true' origin, beef completely invented this backstory of "well that's what they've always called him".

    • @TheLadderman
      @TheLadderman ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Yeah well, that's just a type of joke beef likes to say frequently lol.

    • @Moe_Posting_Chad
      @Moe_Posting_Chad ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Its a callback joke. What is funny is the ironic usage of the joke and doing it over and over.

    • @gillian2510
      @gillian2510 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      yes and it’s even funnier if you know beef, especially old school beef made that joke with everything and everyone. but ladders stuck 💗

    • @pleasantvegetable
      @pleasantvegetable ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah i adore that it started from a joke of how silly a nickname it would be for him, and that joke manifested it into reality

    • @RedstoneManiac13
      @RedstoneManiac13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Epic PFP

  • @quinnlim5104
    @quinnlim5104 ปีที่แล้ว +1544

    "What would I ever do without you, Ladders?" "...jump" had me cackling

    • @quinnlim5104
      @quinnlim5104 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      6 months later and the "jump" part still got me

    • @piemy
      @piemy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmaooo

  • @miasmi5992
    @miasmi5992 ปีที่แล้ว +1784

    its hilarious that 'Ladders' is also a charicature of an italian man from NYC for no apparent reason, its very fitting

    • @DheRadman
      @DheRadman ปีที่แล้ว +123

      It's a trope from Mafia media that everyone has some too on-the-nose nickname. I don't have any Italian examples off the top of my head but Krazy 8 from the breaking bad franchise would be a general example

    • @0x2A_
      @0x2A_ ปีที่แล้ว +76

      @@DheRadman There is that guy that had a scar on his face, Scarface I think it was :)

    • @DheRadman
      @DheRadman ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@0x2A_ lol good example but despite being portrayed by an Italian guy from NYC, the character is from Cuba

    • @Blueeyesthewarrior
      @Blueeyesthewarrior ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@0x2A_Fun fact, Al Capone actually hated the nickname Scarface and preferred “Snorky”.

    • @realityveil6151
      @realityveil6151 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Blueeyesthewarrior Yes, we've all seen oversimlified's prohibition video. You're not smarter just because you watch more youtube.

  • @ric1179
    @ric1179 ปีที่แล้ว +999

    My name is ladders, I go up and I go down. That is his catch phrase. Such a good bit

  • @goldenlizard9485
    @goldenlizard9485 ปีที่แล้ว +501

    Drinking game: Every time they say "ladders" take a sip of water! It's important to stay hydrated!

    • @silverfeigner
      @silverfeigner ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Good idea

    • @fjolliff6308
      @fjolliff6308 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I'd never stop peeing again.

    • @PheelsGoodman
      @PheelsGoodman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You had me in the first half... and then

    • @lihzzahrdspeed6631
      @lihzzahrdspeed6631 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Don’t overhydrate

    • @CoolAnagram
      @CoolAnagram 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Help I did this and now my head hurts and.my eyes feel like theyr bleeding

  • @gloopgloopglorp
    @gloopgloopglorp ปีที่แล้ว +406

    Etho putting ladders on a one high jump (3:09) is priceless

    • @65591
      @65591 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2:23 too :,)

  • @mogsia
    @mogsia ปีที่แล้ว +465

    im grinning so hard im so glad team canada is back

  • @claudio1p
    @claudio1p ปีที่แล้ว +112

    You forgot “life is like ladders, sometimes you go up, sometimes you go down”

  • @astrid9920
    @astrid9920 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    I've been making "that was my nickname in college" joke for years and this made me remember i got it from Beef during the mindcrack days

    • @fireradfieritis8953
      @fireradfieritis8953 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I associate that with Team Canada and Rumble Tumble Game nowadays, haha.

  • @lulaypp7816
    @lulaypp7816 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    The fact that he dived immediately into the catchphrase when with Bdubs is just XDDDDDD

  • @asuramaru8180
    @asuramaru8180 ปีที่แล้ว +296

    I watched the origin when it first released, and years later I rewatched so much team Canada ctms trying to find it again, so glad you found it!

    • @citruscorduroy
      @citruscorduroy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      me too!

    • @Evan1178
      @Evan1178 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isn’t it spell bound caves?

    • @readingchameleon
      @readingchameleon ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's an etho search engine that searches video captions smoewhere

    • @Snugglelol
      @Snugglelol ปีที่แล้ว

      me too!

  • @Nick-ke5tg
    @Nick-ke5tg ปีที่แล้ว +153

    I think it’s actually even older than this. He was pretty infamous on MindCrack as well for always having some ladders on him and stringing them across the world and his bases way back when you could place them with gaps and they would still function.
    I think it was MindCrack season 2, there was a massive “king of the ladder” event in the colosseum someone built when I first remember someone bringing it up but I was VERY young and MindCrack was so long ago I’m not quite sure exactly

    • @ContentNot
      @ContentNot  ปีที่แล้ว +107

      A lot of people think thats where it started, but that is just a well known moment where Etho is part of a ladder related thing. This is the main reason i felt like making this video and go digging for the clip. I just *knew* it came from a Team Canada moment.

    • @_sadghost
      @_sadghost ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It was MindCrack season 3, but for some reason when people are talking about Etho I always see people calling it season 1(It was Etho's first time on a MindCrack server, so it makes sense). Episode 10 is called "King of the Ladder" like you said. Nebris punching Etho off a ladder to (almost) build height started a game between like, six people to become King of the Ladder.

    • @Emmetuvisa
      @Emmetuvisa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@_sadghost it's one of my favorite videos , second only to guude's fun house :⟩

  • @dummyhungry9780
    @dummyhungry9780 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    Thank you so much I couldn’t stop laughing the whole time. It’s funny you know, I watched this episode when it came out in 2016, and I still couldn’t remember which series I saw it in.

  • @aaronpritchard9333
    @aaronpritchard9333 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I even recall Etho being a fan of ladders and calling them "vanilla's jetpack" in an old OOGE Vinyl Fantasy II CTM episode.

    • @mikehuang4834
      @mikehuang4834 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which ironically has Bdubs in the team. How has he forgotten?

    • @rambi1072
      @rambi1072 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@mikehuang4834 Probably because it was like 13 years ago lol

  • @allenbuddy3101
    @allenbuddy3101 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    What I love most is how much ETHO seems to like the nickname. So good so wholesome thanks team Canada

  • @nataliaentalia
    @nataliaentalia ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Ah yes, Etho Sladders.

  • @NigelGreesly
    @NigelGreesly ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Ladders, Esteban and Shmoopy.
    The dream team.

    • @NataschaYT
      @NataschaYT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I need the backstories of the other two 😂

  • @khaotickiri8223
    @khaotickiri8223 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "Ladders got some ladders for ladderself" was a clip I wished was on here

  • @jaydoe5654
    @jaydoe5654 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    You're a real one for digging this up!!

  • @superfastscyphozoa
    @superfastscyphozoa ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Moving vertically is a hilarious catchphrase, actually

  • @inkylampy1693
    @inkylampy1693 ปีที่แล้ว +351

    I guess Bdubs isn't a true etho girl anymore 😔

    • @CelestiaQuinn
      @CelestiaQuinn ปีที่แล้ว +65

      L for the etho girlies😔

    • @diggoran
      @diggoran ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Bdubs absolutely knew his nickname was ladders. Watching their scene together, bdubs reacted instantly to the mention of ladders, in a way you knew he knew. Even mentioning the third person where anyone out of the loop would think Etho was talking about the ladders themselves.
      Bdubs is the most dedicated Etho fan channel on TH-cam :P

    • @BlockUpdateYT
      @BlockUpdateYT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@diggoran Probably right!

    • @TheGameAdventurer
      @TheGameAdventurer ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@diggoran he already knew because Etho referenced it earlier that year during stat poker: th-cam.com/video/GJxEeqCE_uQ/w-d-xo.html at about 7:22

    • @Matt-jq7zw
      @Matt-jq7zw ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@diggoran there's a clip that the video didn't include where in a hermitcraft video, Bdubs has no idea and can't believe that his name is ladders. The clip in the video was a little after that

  • @Sunkcostfallecy
    @Sunkcostfallecy ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I was always wondering why he is called ladders!
    Thanks.

  • @D3NPC
    @D3NPC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I always thought he was called "Etho's Lab" and imagined him as some kind of scientist

  • @ilikejosh
    @ilikejosh ปีที่แล้ว +86

    I'm not sure if you posted this because Team Canada is back finally on Beef's channel and they mentioned "Ladders", but either way I'm happy they are back and this was a good video :)

  • @UltraNovaUnknown
    @UltraNovaUnknown ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I love this, I wondered where exactly it came from, thank you!
    Also "what would we do without you ladders?" "Jump." That was amazing
    (I know I didn't quote it perfectly)

  • @alyssa09485
    @alyssa09485 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Aww the chemistry between these 3 is off the CHARTS 😂😂 I love Team Canada in their prime, such good memories!!!

  • @Robstar0
    @Robstar0 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    OMG You know what? One of the first things I've seen from Etho was actually him in Team Canada in that CTM playthrough! So by coincidence I was introduced to him (his content) right when he got his Ladders nickname! In my memory he'd say "Ey! I'm Ladders, I go up and I go down" but it seems it was a little bit different. Heh, memories.
    Thanks for this trip down memory lane, was fun!
    Also, 2016, now I feel old.

  • @masondickerson9466
    @masondickerson9466 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "But ladders is for life"
    Chills. up and down my spine.

  • @dustyboialex
    @dustyboialex ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "oh ladders, what would I ever do without you?"
    "jump."

  • @ZephyrliteDraws
    @ZephyrliteDraws 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Etho has such a lowercase yell heh 2:39

  • @MrFoxALot
    @MrFoxALot ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This brings back so many memories, thank you so much for bringing it back to memory.
    Glad the team canada had a new series going on though

  • @daviswing
    @daviswing ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was looking for this for so long! Thank you for doing the research that I wasn't determined enough to complete

  • @pendelluft
    @pendelluft ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I love this!! Thanks for making a compilation. This is the link I can give whenever someone asks about Ladders in r/ethoslab from now on haha
    I’m afraid you missed a reference in Double Life… and then Cleo reacting to it on a livestream.
    I don’t know if I can link anything here so I’ll just put the twitch code. You can open any twitch clip link and replace the text with the following:
    ShortPlacidRutabagaResidentSleeper-wz8lHydPG51AdmQC
    Cheers!

    • @reaganharder1480
      @reaganharder1480 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Oh i'm quite confident there are quite a few "ladders" references that are not included. I quite clearly remember the exact phrase "eh, ladders. I go up and I go down" and I didn't hear that in this video at all.

    • @IndyJay53
      @IndyJay53 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@reaganharder1480 It would be a Herculean task to track down every last reference, but yeah I was expecting to see that exact phrase because it's come up multiple times. A great compilation nonetheless!

  • @HourRomanticist
    @HourRomanticist ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I vaguely remember Beef having this recurring joke about nicknames in college lol. Thanks for bringing this fond memory back

  • @amykay96
    @amykay96 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    2016... has it really been that long already?

    • @EliteEpicGamerz
      @EliteEpicGamerz ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Right? I couldve sworn ladders was from like 2013 or something not 2016. Whats worse is thats 7 years ago

    • @animevsirl
      @animevsirl ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Watching etho videos make you lose your perception of time. Is going to be 10 years soon...

  • @TyleStyle
    @TyleStyle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ladders what a classic! I remember when that episode was posted all those years ago. Good times.

  • @wendy9937
    @wendy9937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for researching this and sharing AND especially for sharing the links!!

  • @stan8479
    @stan8479 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They’ve said “ladders” so much in this video that it no longer feels like a normal word.

  • @BlameItOnGreg
    @BlameItOnGreg ปีที่แล้ว +22

    But when did the catchphrase adjustment happen? I feel like what he says most now is “I go up and I go down”, which does flow a lot better.

    • @gristen
      @gristen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i think its the same series as the origin but it mightve been like the next episode or something

  • @Shortnamesareoverrated
    @Shortnamesareoverrated 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I LOVE TEAM CANADA 😭
    “Hehehehe, moving vertically, let me adjust my spectacles!” Beefers your killing me, hopefully Modern Veal has your humor 😭

  • @mrfoodarama
    @mrfoodarama ปีที่แล้ว +9

    With Beef n Pause, gettin Team Canada back together!

  • @Jet-Pack
    @Jet-Pack ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That reminded me of the great "King of the ladder" event on the MindCrack SMP 11 years ago.
    Still one of the most laughs I ever had in a single video

    • @TheLadderman
      @TheLadderman ปีที่แล้ว

      A real classic.

    • @Jet-Pack
      @Jet-Pack 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Krucifus I thought it came from a team Canada episode in a CTM map

    • @mikehuang4834
      @mikehuang4834 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jet-Pack Etho had a thing for ladders since Vinyl Fantasy when OOGE was a thing which ironically has Bdubs on the team. How did he forget?

  • @Alex-yl8dz
    @Alex-yl8dz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I only just realised on a rewatch that Etho remembered rhe "I go up and down" line

  • @Nisbuhh
    @Nisbuhh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ever since that episode all those years ago, every time I see a ladder, I think back at this.

  • @budgie0003
    @budgie0003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ‘What would I ever do with out you?’
    ‘Jump’ xD I love them

  • @blancfilms
    @blancfilms 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The "LA" in EthosLAb is for ladders

  • @ionmeth2031
    @ionmeth2031 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    EH LADDERS! I go up and I go down

  • @AwTickStick
    @AwTickStick 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Ladders” doesn’t even feel like a word anymore.

  • @Christiangamer22
    @Christiangamer22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Ayy Ladders!" has always been common vernacular for me because of Etho.

  • @pixelg5173
    @pixelg5173 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now all that I need is a compilation/origin story of beef being mom lol

    • @Cortanuh
      @Cortanuh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      12 minutes into Beef’s episode 3 video of Ruins of the Mindcracker’s is where that started lol

    • @pixelg5173
      @pixelg5173 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Cortanuh lol I started binging all of the team Canada ctms and am like 120 ish episodes into the playlist :D I completely forgot about this clip, and actually like just watched the episode that this came from yesterday!

  • @MegaJani
    @MegaJani ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some people are lads, but Etho's Ladder.

  • @Shortnamesareoverrated
    @Shortnamesareoverrated 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just want beef to call him that one last time.

  • @BrutalFatality
    @BrutalFatality ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember this like it was yesterday! Thanks for sharing it again!

  • @bigkspicy8257
    @bigkspicy8257 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this much needed history lesson.

  • @fizzle7421
    @fizzle7421 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The fact that beef is involved makes this even better.

  • @eeveeblazelol
    @eeveeblazelol ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “what would i ever do without ya ladders?” “jump”

  • @silverxpanda5852
    @silverxpanda5852 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad you edited this LOL people need to KNOW!

  • @Phelpsy4
    @Phelpsy4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brought back so many memories. We love Ladders

  • @crowbo
    @crowbo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    VintageBeef is so underrated funny.

  • @BlockUpdateYT
    @BlockUpdateYT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great edit! All in one place for history lessons!

  • @virusO1OOOOO1
    @virusO1OOOOO1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You deserve my sub in respect to my Sensei! 😂
    Great job 👍

  • @Matthew-ee7bp
    @Matthew-ee7bp 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did nobody else hear somebody say, "It's better than having shingles," @1:14?

    • @athormaximoff4634
      @athormaximoff4634 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This proves that Skizz getting shingles was scripted and Etho is making a comeback as Ladders in S10. /j

  • @Hi_Brien
    @Hi_Brien 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My favorite part about this is that if you asked me a year ago, I coulda told you exactly where Ladders came from. I've watched like every etho video ever

  • @sonny1524
    @sonny1524 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this origin story, and your hard work, I was wondering about it as well

  • @markm0000
    @markm0000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember that early Team Canada episode now that I see it again years after. The brain is weird.

  • @MagsTheOmnipotent
    @MagsTheOmnipotent ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember watching all those videos back then, the nostalgia is real with these clips. So entertaining those three. Ladders.

  • @XenoPon2
    @XenoPon2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Having 'up up and away' as a catchphrase for taking off
    And 'you're going down' for starting PVP
    Would be fitting.

  • @Bowie_E
    @Bowie_E ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, this made me happy 🤗 🥰

  • @owlmage2744
    @owlmage2744 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Ladders" was said so many times that it doesn't sound like a real word anymore

  • @reaganharder1480
    @reaganharder1480 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eh, ladders. I go up and I go down.

  • @NataschaYT
    @NataschaYT ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol, thanks for putting this history moment together haha 😂 really nice to see this 👍

  • @bongwatershark
    @bongwatershark ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this!! So glad it’s still a thing. Long live ladders

  • @GreatCollapsingHrung
    @GreatCollapsingHrung ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A ladder is a vanilla jet pack.

  • @Dcat682
    @Dcat682 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd completely forgotten about that gag! The Kaizo Serieses were great!

  • @fionavillena7411
    @fionavillena7411 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh dude! Thank you for this! I've always wanted to know the origin of it! So happy it was from team canada!

  • @6rid_
    @6rid_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bro i remember watching this way back in the day

  • @waffleprocrastinates
    @waffleprocrastinates ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this! I tried looking for clips myself and failed

  • @MiklPis
    @MiklPis ปีที่แล้ว

    - What would I ever do without you, Ladders?
    - Jump ...

  • @Flow_Plays_Minecraft
    @Flow_Plays_Minecraft ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. I didn’t realise that I actually needed to know this.

  • @tldr9989
    @tldr9989 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol. Pretty good video, complete research, fine examples. 10/10.

  • @hyointheforest
    @hyointheforest 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video makes me so happy

  • @daxdiggler6253
    @daxdiggler6253 ปีที่แล้ว

    i cant believe i watched all those old clip back when they were fresh videos

  • @Asrtyulg
    @Asrtyulg ปีที่แล้ว

    For the algorithm! I love me some etho clips and lore

  • @generalgub2221
    @generalgub2221 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank u for posting this :)).

  • @nethercat2459
    @nethercat2459 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that I watched Beef’s videos in 2016 but didn’t find Etho until 2 years later when Grian joined Hermitcraft makes me sad

  • @SelenaWynter0205
    @SelenaWynter0205 ปีที่แล้ว

    "What would I ever do without you ladders?"
    "jump"
    3:20, there you go. I was literally looking for this in the video sooooo-

  • @ZNX05
    @ZNX05 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wholesome. I love these 3 together.

  • @masonscasualaccount2726
    @masonscasualaccount2726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I miss pause unpause. Cool dude

  • @isaacmak1234
    @isaacmak1234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The best part of ladders I recall was at the minecrack server when they randomly came up with a king of ladder game

  • @MrRat-nm7hq
    @MrRat-nm7hq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the channel name

  • @Shortnamesareoverrated
    @Shortnamesareoverrated 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how the team can dada would go “ay ladders” “ayyyy”

  • @kaelerhowk6664
    @kaelerhowk6664 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this! That is hilarious!

  • @ZMW7
    @ZMW7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is actually so nostalgic for me. I remember watching the original episode when the nickname was created.

  • @_CertifiedHoodClassic
    @_CertifiedHoodClassic ปีที่แล้ว

    Up and down, Ladder's in town!

  • @scottnon9779
    @scottnon9779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like I have to rewatch the series!

  • @Dguncrazy
    @Dguncrazy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Holy cow i remember watchn that

  • @TheMoonchild06
    @TheMoonchild06 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ladders no longer sounds like a word