EDIT: With patch 10.0.5, the talent tree changed a little, so here is a revised version that is similar to the original one: BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUSEkEQSSCJNRgEIJJiAkIAAAAAAAJtIBtkASkSAAAA My leveling build at Level 60: BQQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVDAAUSAJBkkkQSLRgEIJJiAkIAAAAAAAJBpRLJgkkSAAAA (Just copy this string and on your talent page, on the dropdown menu in the bottom left, should be an Import option) I've found these talents pretty good overall, though it does give you a lot of extra buttons so it might not be for everyone. Still, I thought it'd be fun to share my own setup and maybe other people can talk about what they'll be using for leveling up their rogues too.
@@razor6168 Hm, it shouldn't have, I just updated it today because I had one talent selected wrong. o.O I'll take a look at it once I'm done editing tomorrow's video, sorry about that, Rodney!
I really appreciate this one as a resource for anyone wanting to level outlaw. Thank you for doing this guide. I would love to see your video take on the same for subtlety as well.
Heya Katsumoto, thank you for the suggestion! I'm working on about 3 different videos right now, hoping to have them out for Dragonflight, though I may be able to try and squeeze in a subtlety build setup as I do find sub quite efficient for leveling too.
Thanks for the guide, I subbed. Played warrior since vanilla, always enjoyed a rogue alt. Switching mains for the first time in Dragonflight. As a dad with 2 small kids I don't have the time to play a class like warrior that has always been dependent on scaling with gear, especially at the front end of a new xpac. It's not fun to suck at first and not have the time to get competitive. Hoping rogue will be more fun with lesser gear.
Heya, happy the video was helpful, Gabe! Yeah rogue is a lot of fun, and having 3 different DPS/rotation styles makes it have a bit more variety in the way it plays and feels. I've played rogue since about mid 2005 as my main, so my opinion is likely a bit biased. As far as improving more with gear, I honestly can't say, other than your main-hand weapon is VERY much a big DPS gain, so that's like the one super important item to get at a decent level. xD
GREAT guide. Been very successful following this, and I appreciate all the assurances you give throughout. I remember thinking that the CP generation was a little overkill (as you addressed), but sure enough, once I hit 62/63 I'm finding the spec super strong now that mobs have more HP.
Thank you, Jack. ^^ Yeah right off the bat it seems a bit excessive, but it comes together after Waking Shore since the mobs there seem just trivial in comparison to later on. Glad to hear it's worked out well for you so far!
Heya Brandon, those are the weakauras I've put together for all 3 rogue specializations. If you want to use them, the link to my wago.io download page is in the description section of all my videos. However, you'll need the WeakAuras addon to use them, which can be found on CurseForge and can take a bit of practice to learn how to use. There is a simple import option on the addon, though, so it's not too bad if you're just importing someone else's. ^^
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Wow thank you so much! That is very helpful! I'm setting up my UI and following your outlaw build atm! Perfect timing haha :D. Also do you think you could make a new rotation/skill guide for Outlaw rogue? I'm a noob, i've played Rogue's my entire life but it's been so long I don't really remember what I'm doing.
Hi there. Thankyou for the video, I have watched it a few times. I have little experience with Rogue, so am trying to grasp what it is all about. i adjusted the talent trees as you put above. Can you provide a idea about Rotation?, setup, like should I always be stealthed, and should I build 3 combo points or more before starting to spending. Also mobs, Eg, 1 mob, 3, and when you get mobbed by other roaming mobs. lvling to 70 so I get all that stuff. I have no luxuary of good gear yet or dungeons as I only just started and boosted the rogue to 60 so I could go through DF as I have done numerous times now. Many thanks! PS. Can you explain the general terminology that ppl say, such as talking about procs, cleaves etc when referring to rogues?. Many thanks!
If you are geared level 60, you can level with any spec because you'll just do a lot of dmg thanks to your items but for me personally nothing worked so well as assassination. In shadowlands I was leveling till lvl 50 via outlaw only and was doing ok, not great but ok but when I switched to assassination at 50 I never looked back. Damage difference was massive. Only assassination for me :D and the background image of the spec is really pleasant to the eye ;)
This is definitely true, gear makes anything good for leveling... Except maybe a healer. XD Pure DPS classes I feel never really run into leveling issues, it seems to me. And yes, I can agree that assassination's talent tree artwork has some appeal to it. lol
Glad to hear it. ^^ Playing what you enjoy is always better than just changing because someone has a differing opinion, I just figured for any of my fellow outlaw folks out there or people on the fence this might be useful is all.
How does rogues fare with pulling a lot of mobs/sturdy élites? I started as one but it felt slow and squishy at early levels then i got back to my blood dk/frost ,i love pulling the world which those two classes fit me but damage wise is.. desiderabile, especially frost,i remember in Cata those were super strong now they feel noodles xD but i still love blood dk.(currently 65)
Hi, one question. How you have so massive survivability? you almost never use vial, evasion, faint in this video and yet you maintain at least 90% of health in this video.
Outlaw looking Pretty Solid. But I am not yet convinced as I found Sub was the best levling/daily_play spec in Shadowlands. Stealth for shield and passive healing -> shadowstrike for mobility and big dam -> Eviscerate -> MfD -> Eviscerate -> almost any mob is dead. If you have an ability to restealth after every kill I don't see other specs coming even close to the smooth flow the Sub offers. Even though I don't like the sub as playstyle in instanced content.
That's 100% fair, I think subtlety (if you can restealth frequently) is a very good option as well. The mobility and more diverse toolkit outlaw has I think gives it a bit of an advantage, but as I mention in the guide I think all 3 are in a very good spot and share a lot of similar features where the difference is mostly down to rotational preference.
are outlaw rogues similar to fury warriors? i saw they are fast paced like them but i've always been so bad playing rogue in general and also, what's a good rotation for outlaw rogues? im leveling and i feel like im doing no damage
Outlaw is quite similar to Fury, I'd say. They both have pretty high APM and instead of hitting whirlwind every few GCDs, it's Blade Flurry instead. Outlaw in general has a bit more going on than fury, as you have multiple procs to pay attention to as well as much higher cooldown reduction and buff management. Rotationally speaking, outlaw is more about action priority than a real rotation. The basics of it just come down to, in order 1. RtB always active. 2. Between the eyes always on your main target. 3. Slice and Dice always active. 4. Use most of your cooldowns on cooldown. This rule isn't set in stone though because of how the different talent builds work right now, I have a couple guide videos out on the 2 popular builds at the moment but they will be changing a little with patch 10.0.5 so I recommend you just swing over by the ravenholdt.net ravenholdt discord for rogue infomation/FAQ/question stuff.
As someone who has played every class in the game I can confirm rogue is the best and it's my main. I think about maybe maining a new class but while playing my rogue I'm always reminded I'm playing the best class.
100% agreed, Rogue is very much my go-to class and has been for basically 16 or 17 years, since I started in Mid '05 ish. It has multiple damage profiles, great mobility, strong defensives, and a lot of class fantasy. Can't really ask for much more in a class, in my opinion.
@@yanomamo89 I wish I had saved my name on Area 52 years ago, but I managed to get Invisibull on another low pop realm and was happy it was available. XD
>>; Yeah, some times you just wake up one day and realize you have 3 or 4 max level characters of the same class and realize there might be something amiss. lol
Fixed, whenever I edit the comment it unpins it. It also has a new/revised talent import string since there have been talent changes since this video came out.
Really hard to say, Bryan. I think crafting professions will have some good perks, but you'd likely want an alt to be a gatherer of the appropriate material to make it easier. I'm personally going Engineering/Leatherworking, since I figure that will let me make off-pieces and stuff more easily without having to rely on work orders or the AH quite as much.
Yup, like Peter mentioned it should be in the pinned comment, Michelle. ^^ It's that huge string of letters, just copy that and open your talent panel, then click the drop-down menu on the bottom left and choose import.
I find it quite hard to level i boost it to 50 and leveld my outlaw rouge from there. no Problem but from 60 to 70 i die a lot. i never expierinced something like that ever in WOW ...
Blizzard has been giving really bad gear from character boosts for a while. I think the level 60 boost starts you at 180 item level which is just so low. I ended up sending all my essence tokens from the pre-patch event to my boosted character so he'd be at 252 going into DF, but I figure a lot of people might've missed out on that gear. =/
Yeah I can imagine it being rough, the boosted gear they give is just really low and seems like it has been for a long time. Even my 255 hunter hasn't had any issues yet in DF, but I only just started leveling him a bit ago. Waking Shore just feels really easy on most characters I've brought over, and by the time you're in Thaldraszus it gets annoying. lol
Why does your game lag so hard every time you loot? Great build though. Was struggling leveling on a new server, swapped to this build and Its really smooth. I grabbed the leech talent though since this rogue is from the free 60 boost so his gear is meh.
This was footage off of the beta servers and I believe I had a couple addons that were giving a bit of trouble that hadn't been updated recently. I used to have something that increased loot window speed but I think it just became incompatible with all the new UI things they've done. Glad to hear the build has been working out for you, though! You'll in the long run change a few things here and there once you're max level (there are a couple popular builds that seem to be manifesting in the rogue discord) but I found this setup to work very well so I figured I'd share it. ^^
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Ah yeah addon issues makes total sense. I ended up ditching everything and just going stock for now. Its pretty weird but kinda nice at the same time. Appreciate the share, always nice to have a jumping off point and the default builds Blizzard give don't seem to be super synergistic.
I was doing a run earlier this week on stream with beta, and even with bugs, I had 66.5 in about 4 1/2 hours. I think someone really good could do 60-70 (without any weird over optimization) could do the whole thing in about 6 or so hours? Hard to say. It'll probably take me around 8 or 9 because I'm not a super fast leveler, honestly.
Definitely something I've been tossing around as an idea for videos, I might have to make a new rogue and not use anything from my main account to see how best I can teach/show video stuff about it. ^^
EDIT: With patch 10.0.5, the talent tree changed a little, so here is a revised version that is similar to the original one:
BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUSEkEQSSCJNRgEIJJiAkIAAAAAAAJtIBtkASkSAAAA
My leveling build at Level 60:
BQQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVDAAUSAJBkkkQSLRgEIJJiAkIAAAAAAAJBpRLJgkkSAAAA
(Just copy this string and on your talent page, on the dropdown menu in the bottom left, should be an Import option)
I've found these talents pretty good overall, though it does give you a lot of extra buttons so it might not be for everyone. Still, I thought it'd be fun to share my own setup and maybe other people can talk about what they'll be using for leveling up their rogues too.
tried importing says out of date
@@razor6168 Hm, it shouldn't have, I just updated it today because I had one talent selected wrong. o.O I'll take a look at it once I'm done editing tomorrow's video, sorry about that, Rodney!
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Does not work !!!!
@@ruppen871 Correct, this talent string is not active any more because of talent changes done in 10.0.5. I'll put up a new one
I really appreciate this one as a resource for anyone wanting to level outlaw. Thank you for doing this guide. I would love to see your video take on the same for subtlety as well.
Heya Katsumoto, thank you for the suggestion! I'm working on about 3 different videos right now, hoping to have them out for Dragonflight, though I may be able to try and squeeze in a subtlety build setup as I do find sub quite efficient for leveling too.
Thanks for the guide, I subbed. Played warrior since vanilla, always enjoyed a rogue alt. Switching mains for the first time in Dragonflight. As a dad with 2 small kids I don't have the time to play a class like warrior that has always been dependent on scaling with gear, especially at the front end of a new xpac. It's not fun to suck at first and not have the time to get competitive. Hoping rogue will be more fun with lesser gear.
Heya, happy the video was helpful, Gabe! Yeah rogue is a lot of fun, and having 3 different DPS/rotation styles makes it have a bit more variety in the way it plays and feels. I've played rogue since about mid 2005 as my main, so my opinion is likely a bit biased. As far as improving more with gear, I honestly can't say, other than your main-hand weapon is VERY much a big DPS gain, so that's like the one super important item to get at a decent level. xD
GREAT guide. Been very successful following this, and I appreciate all the assurances you give throughout. I remember thinking that the CP generation was a little overkill (as you addressed), but sure enough, once I hit 62/63 I'm finding the spec super strong now that mobs have more HP.
Thank you, Jack. ^^ Yeah right off the bat it seems a bit excessive, but it comes together after Waking Shore since the mobs there seem just trivial in comparison to later on. Glad to hear it's worked out well for you so far!
What is the UI Addon your using that sits at the middle of your screen? It looks fancy and helpful!
Heya Brandon, those are the weakauras I've put together for all 3 rogue specializations. If you want to use them, the link to my wago.io download page is in the description section of all my videos. However, you'll need the WeakAuras addon to use them, which can be found on CurseForge and can take a bit of practice to learn how to use. There is a simple import option on the addon, though, so it's not too bad if you're just importing someone else's. ^^
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Wow thank you so much! That is very helpful! I'm setting up my UI and following your outlaw build atm! Perfect timing haha :D. Also do you think you could make a new rotation/skill guide for Outlaw rogue? I'm a noob, i've played Rogue's my entire life but it's been so long I don't really remember what I'm doing.
This guide is quite criminal.
Thank you :)
If it wasn't for the weird framerate issues I was having, it could've been a smooth criminal instead. xD
Hi there. Thankyou for the video, I have watched it a few times. I have little experience with Rogue, so am trying to grasp what it is all about. i adjusted the talent trees as you put above. Can you provide a idea about Rotation?, setup, like should I always be stealthed, and should I build 3 combo points or more before starting to spending. Also mobs, Eg, 1 mob, 3, and when you get mobbed by other roaming mobs. lvling to 70 so I get all that stuff. I have no luxuary of good gear yet or dungeons as I only just started and boosted the rogue to 60 so I could go through DF as I have done numerous times now. Many thanks! PS. Can you explain the general terminology that ppl say, such as talking about procs, cleaves etc when referring to rogues?. Many thanks!
Thanks for the guide Zera!
For sure, happy to help, Dan. ^^
Rogues don’t have much a presence on TH-cam, but fortunately we have you!!
If you are geared level 60, you can level with any spec because you'll just do a lot of dmg thanks to your items but for me personally nothing worked so well as assassination. In shadowlands I was leveling till lvl 50 via outlaw only and was doing ok, not great but ok but when I switched to assassination at 50 I never looked back. Damage difference was massive. Only assassination for me :D and the background image of the spec is really pleasant to the eye ;)
This is definitely true, gear makes anything good for leveling... Except maybe a healer. XD Pure DPS classes I feel never really run into leveling issues, it seems to me. And yes, I can agree that assassination's talent tree artwork has some appeal to it. lol
Man, I think I’m going to level as sub I love it.
Glad to hear it. ^^ Playing what you enjoy is always better than just changing because someone has a differing opinion, I just figured for any of my fellow outlaw folks out there or people on the fence this might be useful is all.
How does rogues fare with pulling a lot of mobs/sturdy élites?
I started as one but it felt slow and squishy at early levels then i got back to my blood dk/frost ,i love pulling the world which those two classes fit me but damage wise is.. desiderabile, especially frost,i remember in Cata those were super strong now they feel noodles xD but i still love blood dk.(currently 65)
Hi, one question. How you have so massive survivability? you almost never use vial, evasion, faint in this video and yet you maintain at least 90% of health in this video.
Outlaw looking Pretty Solid. But I am not yet convinced as I found Sub was the best levling/daily_play spec in Shadowlands. Stealth for shield and passive healing -> shadowstrike for mobility and big dam -> Eviscerate -> MfD -> Eviscerate -> almost any mob is dead. If you have an ability to restealth after every kill I don't see other specs coming even close to the smooth flow the Sub offers. Even though I don't like the sub as playstyle in instanced content.
That's 100% fair, I think subtlety (if you can restealth frequently) is a very good option as well. The mobility and more diverse toolkit outlaw has I think gives it a bit of an advantage, but as I mention in the guide I think all 3 are in a very good spot and share a lot of similar features where the difference is mostly down to rotational preference.
are outlaw rogues similar to fury warriors? i saw they are fast paced like them but i've always been so bad playing rogue in general
and also, what's a good rotation for outlaw rogues? im leveling and i feel like im doing no damage
Outlaw is quite similar to Fury, I'd say. They both have pretty high APM and instead of hitting whirlwind every few GCDs, it's Blade Flurry instead. Outlaw in general has a bit more going on than fury, as you have multiple procs to pay attention to as well as much higher cooldown reduction and buff management.
Rotationally speaking, outlaw is more about action priority than a real rotation. The basics of it just come down to, in order
1. RtB always active.
2. Between the eyes always on your main target.
3. Slice and Dice always active.
4. Use most of your cooldowns on cooldown. This rule isn't set in stone though because of how the different talent builds work right now, I have a couple guide videos out on the 2 popular builds at the moment but they will be changing a little with patch 10.0.5 so I recommend you just swing over by the ravenholdt.net ravenholdt discord for rogue infomation/FAQ/question stuff.
ty for this vid!
Definitely, you're welcome, tom.^^
As someone who has played every class in the game I can confirm rogue is the best and it's my main. I think about maybe maining a new class but while playing my rogue I'm always reminded I'm playing the best class.
100% agreed, Rogue is very much my go-to class and has been for basically 16 or 17 years, since I started in Mid '05 ish. It has multiple damage profiles, great mobility, strong defensives, and a lot of class fantasy. Can't really ask for much more in a class, in my opinion.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Rogue was my very first character since I started playing back in lich king and been maining almost every xpac
Well the good thing about this expansion is that almost every race can be rogue so you have plenty of options for sure.
Yeah, I've got a goblin, a tauren, and a troll now. ^^
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Tauren rogues. To think they were just a meme once lol
@@yanomamo89 I wish I had saved my name on Area 52 years ago, but I managed to get Invisibull on another low pop realm and was happy it was available. XD
@@ZeraTheRedRogue So cheesy but great all the same lol
That perfectly ok , i too share an addiction to the same class .
>>; Yeah, some times you just wake up one day and realize you have 3 or 4 max level characters of the same class and realize there might be something amiss. lol
Helo! Do u can show us lvling build for the other 2 spec too?
well where is the pinned chat comment?
Fixed, whenever I edit the comment it unpins it. It also has a new/revised talent import string since there have been talent changes since this video came out.
What profession for us min/maxers?
Really hard to say, Bryan. I think crafting professions will have some good perks, but you'd likely want an alt to be a gatherer of the appropriate material to make it easier. I'm personally going Engineering/Leatherworking, since I figure that will let me make off-pieces and stuff more easily without having to rely on work orders or the AH quite as much.
Can you link your talent tree please?
If you look in the comments. Its pinned and linked
Yup, like Peter mentioned it should be in the pinned comment, Michelle. ^^ It's that huge string of letters, just copy that and open your talent panel, then click the drop-down menu on the bottom left and choose import.
@@ZeraTheRedRogue found it ty.
I find it quite hard to level i boost it to 50 and leveld my outlaw rouge from there. no Problem but from 60 to 70 i die a lot. i never expierinced something like that ever in WOW ...
Yep I boosted and went right in at 180 gs. My 280 monk on the other hand 1 shots
Blizzard has been giving really bad gear from character boosts for a while. I think the level 60 boost starts you at 180 item level which is just so low. I ended up sending all my essence tokens from the pre-patch event to my boosted character so he'd be at 252 going into DF, but I figure a lot of people might've missed out on that gear. =/
Yeah I can imagine it being rough, the boosted gear they give is just really low and seems like it has been for a long time. Even my 255 hunter hasn't had any issues yet in DF, but I only just started leveling him a bit ago. Waking Shore just feels really easy on most characters I've brought over, and by the time you're in Thaldraszus it gets annoying. lol
Why does your game lag so hard every time you loot?
Great build though. Was struggling leveling on a new server, swapped to this build and Its really smooth. I grabbed the leech talent though since this rogue is from the free 60 boost so his gear is meh.
This was footage off of the beta servers and I believe I had a couple addons that were giving a bit of trouble that hadn't been updated recently. I used to have something that increased loot window speed but I think it just became incompatible with all the new UI things they've done.
Glad to hear the build has been working out for you, though! You'll in the long run change a few things here and there once you're max level (there are a couple popular builds that seem to be manifesting in the rogue discord) but I found this setup to work very well so I figured I'd share it. ^^
@@ZeraTheRedRogue Ah yeah addon issues makes total sense. I ended up ditching everything and just going stock for now. Its pretty weird but kinda nice at the same time.
Appreciate the share, always nice to have a jumping off point and the default builds Blizzard give don't seem to be super synergistic.
How long would you say it took you to get from 60-70?
I was doing a run earlier this week on stream with beta, and even with bugs, I had 66.5 in about 4 1/2 hours. I think someone really good could do 60-70 (without any weird over optimization) could do the whole thing in about 6 or so hours? Hard to say. It'll probably take me around 8 or 9 because I'm not a super fast leveler, honestly.
@@ZeraTheRedRogue that's pretty quick tbh in the broad scheme of things, appreciate the response brotha.
I would be interested in a guide more aimed at very new to wow player trying to play rogue
Definitely something I've been tossing around as an idea for videos, I might have to make a new rogue and not use anything from my main account to see how best I can teach/show video stuff about it. ^^
Zertatul, cringee
Cool story.