You what?? what kind of fantasy role play are you living in man?? what dream world are you living in aye?? youve no balls mate thats why you come on youtube and look up characters like Viv Graham because it plays to and soothes your ego mate.. Poeple like him represent something your not and can never be yet your subcouncious longs to be... Thats why you get defencive and leave silly comments.. On one hand your addicted and you cant not watch, on the other hand it triggers you that he had balls, was self made and lived a free life.. Sure it dident end well for him but he still lived it mate.. Bettter go out a lion dieing to defend its patch than to be a gizell runing for its life... The gizell thinks its free yet it lives its entire life in fear, the Lion knows it must fight to survive yet its fearless...
Do we fear the “hard man”? I say fear the scared man that has had enough of being bullied by the hard man !! The desperately scared is always the one to fear. He’s the one that reaches for the gun or the knife. I’m sure the family of the always mentioned Lee Duffy will vouch for that.
I would rather be nice to people , love my family and not be feared by any human being . Picking on the weak is despicable in my opinion . Tough guys are a thing of the past now anyway . The youth of today would just knock at your house FEARLESS .
According to Cockerill and a lot of others who knew him, Lee Duffy was absolutely NOT a bully, but was a guy that stuck up for smaller guys and kids...even in prison,and believe it or Not,even Viv Graham was apparently a descent guy, the video of him beating up a fellow bouncer was Viv graham being "Manipulated" by the guys that were with him, if you watch the video again and use your ears,you can hear them totally egging him on "Go on Viv" etc so I'm not sure
I mate I wish our lee did et him in the ring god he said ill show him how to fight in the ring or corner of ant street. This Lee work he like back street fight then ring fights it the way Lee was.
For anyone reading the comments and wondering "who were the hard men up north" There was the sayers and conroy families, and viv graham in newcastle, Lee duffy and brian cockerill in middlesborough, And ernie bewick, big rob robson, and brian loughlin in sunderland
+ADZ01982 Some hold a huge amount of "sway" but have developed the good sense to insulate themselves from the day to day issues that they got caught up in when they were younger. The fact that they aren't "on the frontline" does not make them irrelevant.
You all say he feared Duffy , if Duffy was serious about finding Viv (he wasn't) he could have just went to his house everyone knew were Viv lived and his telephone number, So why didn't he ambush Viv when Viv was leaving his house, Graham was much more feared than Duffy , Look at how Lee died. Allison wasn't afraid to get up close and personal to supeman Lee who could ko every person with a punch. , except. David Allison who he couldn't ko with one punch, Now look at how Graham died. , they were in a car. Ready to take off Incase they missed Viv and pissed him off so they could make a quick get away, So yeah Viv didn't fear Lee, Viv just didn't care for a fight. He was sick of going to prison. And wanted just too run his business, that's all, But people there is no footage of mighty Lee (who couldn't even ko Allison) yet their is footage of Viv punching a 17 stone guy, So all we have is stories about Lee could knock out 4 big doormen yet couldn't knock out 1 skinny David Allison weird,
@@stardust-hr8wh you see viv fight? I saw the clip of him attacking that bouncer and it took him ages to take him out and even then he had his mates with him.
@@idnanali4668 he didn’t even take him out, he stayed on his feat the whole time. Bronson said Duffy would have absolutely smashed Viv, he was blessed with the touch of death, very rare genetics
It's a short life when you put yourself forward as a hard man and with all the shit going on in tyneside at the minute it wont be long until the next funeral.
geordie bloke [ who was in pub game ] i got chatting to in majorca siad to me 'he wasnt a hard man' think he probabbly meant he wasnt real nasty. Graham sounded like a guy wiv a big heart.
These so called hard men are nothing really, there's always someone harder or badder ready to put an end to you. The over confident have found this out many a time usually after its to late.
Car1234oppinions Just because their may be somebody, somewhere doesn't make them nothing. They are the men not to mess with in their area. What are you the best in the world at? Nothing? So are you nothing? What will YOU be remembered as? Internet critic? They chose to live ;life fast and hard and know the consequences. In that time they see things and do things you never will
andy helm see what ? and do what ? and be remembered by who ? the facts are, that in one or two hundred years you and I will not be remembered by anyone, and I for one am not interested in being remembered by anyone, and neither will the the so called hard men, And I disagree with you with regard with messing with them, point 1 most successful people, me included don't need to have anything to do with these types of people, and rarely come into contact with them, point two, I have no idea how you can speak up for the hard men who have been got rid of, I'm sure if you could ask them, they'd much rather have had a quiet and LONG life. There is nothing hard about Viv Graham now is there.
Car1234oppinions agreed, i do genealogy (family trees) for my friends and relatives and let me tell you,you are well and truly forgotten far quicker than what you said, no one seems to give a flying fuck anymore, social attitudes have changed and people in general have become more insular, greedy, self centred and shallow! foreign influence (different cultures) drugs and alcohol have changed our attitudes for ever, no more leaving doors open, old aged pensioners being raped, white girls being systematically raped over 2 decades while the police turn a blind eye (ROTHERHAM) in fear of called racist (PAKISTANI RAPISTS!) they have opened up the cases again but is going to cost US the taxpayer fucking millions when the useless cunts have been payed for basically doing fuck all! like the greedy bankers who caused the down turn in the economy (the recession) they will never be held to account!
Some pile of shite gets talked in the comments of this. Was he the hardest in Britain at the time? No he wasn’t but he was still hard as fuck and if he wasn’t he wouldn’t of needed to be shot. All this stupid talk about him not being hard from keyboard warriors. The hand speed of the man is unreal for someone 18 stone. Far to many people base there assumptions on the fact he didn’t knock Stuart Watson out. Stuart was a very tough man himself with a granite chin. You can’t knock everybody out you hit.
Who really cares mate ? The only ones who are remotely interested are people who lead similar lives ! Working men with loved ones around them would not even know these people . I for one have never heard of him but a quick Google search tells me he was shot dead at 34 years of age on New Year’s Eve !! That’s all I need to know . There are no legends here son .
@@Deaf-s6l Why are you here then on this video and why did you chose to read the comments so you could then make one if you don’t care about it? Strange.
@@fcu866 I was watching an American mafia doc about 2 days ago about Al Capone . For some reason a silly little video about mad Frankie Fraser was suggested and after watching that pathetic video for about 2 minutes , this one came up !! Like I say I don’t care about any garbage like this and have never heard of him . I was watching American mafia stuff . Not things about bullys - it’s not my thing
why would a so called hard man need body guards,dont recall lee duffy needing body guards when he went round newcastle knocking out vivs doormen to bring viv out in the open,viv never came.................
There wasn't just him there was about 16 of them, plus it was always Sunday when viv didn't work, plus he never hung around when he did it they jumped in cars and vans then went
i have worked the doors at quite a few london venues still do now and then, and i have worked with all sorts. and all the geordie boys i have worked with have all said he was a ok bloke, so i have to go with that. they speak very well of him so there you go.
Apparently the Krays DID come to the Toon once but as soon as they arrived, half of the police in Newcastle arrived and put them straight on the next train back to London!
@@JacobMatthew8 they got kicked out of anywhere they went north of the Watford gap, liverpool, Newcastle, glasgow. They knew no one up north gave a shit about them, they only scared soft southerners, so they stayed there. Fact.
I know your comment was a long time ago but I don't think we will ever see anyone like Viv again mate. These were men who would gladly go outside to sort out any bit rik that was cousing agro or stopping one of them earning. Once it was over they would shake hands (most of the time) and move on. Usually buy each other a drink and job done. These days the youngens just reach for a tool nd stick each other then a war between the two groups starts nd usually ends in them getting a big lump of jail each with not a penny made between them. Just mindless violence that does nobody any good. I miss the days of a good straightener rolling around on the cobbles then job done!! No bizzies involved and no sentences. Good old days.
@@K.K000 true. Viv was the last of a dying breed , my dad always said in his day men fought with their fists none of this. Bottle chains, kn!v£s bats , stuff just fists. But like you said now it's just gangs of k!ds. Who don't give a f*CK. About seriously hurting Someone, Viv. May have had some fights and beat people up. But at least he didn't use weapons on anyone or k!LL anyone,
89dcooper I heard the same mate that he avoided Lee Duffy more than once. Duffy was also a bully one of the worst I saw him pick a skinny kid up about 19 and headbutt him and splat his face for bumping into him in the Havana club. He was a big lump of a bloke but he was living on borrowed time didn't he loose a toe of two when he was shot in the foot?
+Stephen Howe You know fuck all about Lee fuck all about Brian or anything that happened back in the day in any way shape or form.All you have are 2nd hand stories and Chinese whispers.Just for the Record the duffer only head butted one person in the buterlogghi @ club Havana that was Steven Eastlands and it wasn't for fuck all.So once again you have not got a clue what your talking about.Those people in the know/know who iam and know I was in and around the scene @ the time I had dealings with Lee Viv and later on Brian on a daily basis Regardless of what you think you know or claim to know believe me you don't know fuck all.So please show a little character and respect for someone who's dead and not here to defend them selfs in person Over the years things get twisted stories get exaggerated what is lost in truth gets replaced with lies and other people who weren't even their speak like they were.just read a story on here that 12 people attacked Bri in the that no famous house
+Carlos No one gives a fuck Carlos who the fùçk you are no doubt a fkkn nobody and as for ya boyfriend Dead Duffy he wouldn't have lasted two minutes in Belfast the paramilitarys would have wiped him and all his hangers on out no fkkn messing.
Fascinates me the crime game. I saw another video of this bully, 6 of them onto two bouncers, the man was a steroid using body builder, very powerful man but not a fighter, just throwing wild punches. Lee Duffy was a fighting man, would have sparked him easily for me When your the man or want to be, it’s a one on one to see who really is the best, that’s the real deal
@THE Don Spaghetti & Ravioli anybody who has loads of fights is a bully . What's consistent with all these bullys is that they were bullied as kids . If I was bullied I would like to think I would be nice . I would not give these people the time of day . I would never make eye contact and if I seen or heard them , wherever I was I would leave immediately .. be it supermarket , pub , park ... Anywhere at all . There is no place on the planet for bullys .
Don't get me wrong it takes a certain type of person to live life in their way... But surely there must of been plenty more that were worse in a city as big n with the reputation its got.. He can't of been the leader.. But they say he was so you've just gotta go with it...
With Viv Grahams death it was '' Nothing personal....strictly business.'' With Lee Duffy's death it was '' Nothing business....strictly personal '' It appears that Viv Graham was liked and respected by at least SOME of the Newcastle people. I don't think he had a name for targeting people that had never done him any harm. If I am wrong then I am sure people will corrrect me on this. The same can't be said about Lee Duffy. He was totally feared and would (and did) clear a pub just by walking into it. He never had any respect from the people of the Boro, maybe by his mates but never by the man in the street. There were so many parties celebrating his death that it's a wonder you never heard the shouts of joy in Newcastle. LD's mates only had to tell him that some totally innocent man was looking at him the wrong way and he would go over and spark him out. This is why he was never liked/respected by this town. He was feared and hated more than anything else. The guy was hard and tough, no disputing that, but it was his own actions that caused his downfall. Nobody can expect to cause so much grief to innocent people and think they can get away with it every time. Someone, somewhere, is gonna react and take this threat to society out of the picture....forever.
+Elmwood 1965 was that you In the buterloghi he kicked down the stairs.I was their that.night it was a shit house trick.We told Lee so as well it was Ginger Walsh and Tong dingha who were winding Duffy up pair of cunts licked his arse.And were egging him on.I knaa it's very little consolation now but believe me Walsh and dingha got theirs X10 and you knaa what happened to the Duffer.
+Carlos yeah I'm from Newcastle but live in Spain now the club was in boro it was the club Havana buterloghi was the name of the event.Back in the day for better or worse i had dealings with Newcastle boro and Sunderland.It was a fucked up time no doubt and a lot of shameful shit was said and done by all sides.Especially the duffer.It would have worked out better for everyone if Viv and The duffer killed each other in 89.And left Ernie Bew.@ least Ernie was fair and reasonable.Duffy was just a fuckin idiot and Vivs personality totally changed power went to his head.It all worked itself out u. The end.The right person was left standing @ the end.👍🇬🇧
I never went in the Havana , i ventured in a few times when it was previously the Speakeasy , hated the place , Duffy took a lads eye out with a glass and a young Lacky took the wrap for him and got 3/ 4 years for it. Iv heard a few times that Ernie was a sound ld hope hes ok
+Elmwood 1965 it was a fuckin disgrace the police let that lad take the rap for that when they knew it was Duffy boro cid were bent as fuck.Saying that so we're Durham Northumbria Sunderland,like a said some shameful shit went on back then by all parties.Lee had no loyalty and was always on bus perch.If Allo hadn't done him their was a que of people waiting he was never gonna see the year out.Vivs death was similar but for different reasons.He had his card marked but didn't wind his neck in.You have to remember Viv/Duffer/Bri/Ernie are just bouncers who run other bouncers.Their are people higher up the food chain.When they jump you ask how high.Thats why Ernie is stil, here and the other 2 are not.Their deaths where inevitable.Their cards had been marked weeks before they were dropped just happened Allo beat everyone to the punch and ViVs was well it is what it is.I. Still in touch with Ernie he's never changed and has the same values and Morals that's why he's in the game 👍🇬🇧🍻
Nice comments and very truthful in what you say . Bullies are just cunts and sooner or later get what they deserve , but as you say Ernie still has the same morals and values , it obviously shows hes a genuine lad .
Who cares. Viv Graham was a bully, his only fight on video shows he had to sucker punch somebody. Lee Duffy was a bully and failed boxer who ended up bullying non fighters in pubs. Put either of them in a fight with a trained fighter and they would’ve been flattened. We’ve seen Viv Graham’s fight video, he couldn’t even punch properly 😂
who is the black guy in the gym i remember there were 2 brothers that were bouncers in toon in the mid to late 90's i used to see them buying records in bass generator all the time
+Robert Munro The black guy is Hussain (he gets called Hassan). One of Viv and Terry Scott's best pals. Hassan is still kicking around and is still a diamond of a bloke. Manny B is lighter skinned, smaller in build (Manny was a pro boxer at the time, and was never much for bodybuilding) and being a North Shields lad, never really associated with Viv and the lads that much (not that they were enemies)
come off it man why are people saying tyson or viv or duffy lets be real it would never of happened and tyson has had better sparing partners then duffy and viv no disrespect to viv and duffy but tyson is one of the greatest boxers of all time
Name 1 elite fighter that tyson beat ?....everytime he stepped up he got slapped or struggled. .....tyson not even in the top 10 heavyweights. ..he was only good knocking out bums
Ian the machine freeman ex Sunderland doorman.. turned mixed martial artist heavyweight champion.. ask joe rogan or look at his highlights he could fight
There is a book about Richy Horsley (I havent read it though). He would have been around at that time but wether he crossed paths with Viv, Cockerill or Duffy I dont know.
viv never went around stealing off grannies or stabbing or shooting anyone, he got a reputation from being a tough guy, so people that say he is a bully you are wrong
bigdog scarbarough Times have changed since then , but back in the day it was the asions from boro who were peddeling the pepper. He must of been some fighter tho to be in lenny mcleans video.
Paul Miller the gypos are at it aswell as them they just shoot you and move on I agree I'm not saying he wasn't a tough cookie he was ,still wouldn't fight Ernie Bewick though
bigdog scarborough Is it true he wouldn't fight Middlesbroughs Lee Duffy I've heard the rumours that the Sayers brought Lee Duffy up to Newcastle on a few occasions and every time Viv was nowhere to be seen, (or is this just another yarn the rumour mill has span out?)
yes he was a hardman but i dont think he wanted a fight with duffy and he was realy only a 13 stoner but pumped up with steroids to make him 17 stone. this is what ive read about him on the internet. the other video on youtube does show him with 5 other men in a nightclub doing a bouncer so his he a bully or was he doing a bully. must say he does seem quite a happy fella but its obvious he did upset alot of people who wanted him dead and finaly he got whacked. rip fella
And the doorman he attacked took his punches didn't get dropped this is before people new the importance of grappling and submission wrestling and now you get boxer's or hard men like viv go to a MMA class or have a fight on the street and get bounced off the ground from a judoka or submission wrestler and get choked out or tied up in nots and smashed this was 92 I bet viv Graeme would have looked at a skinny Royce Gracie and think put me in a cage no rules I'd destroy him.. then he would wake up after being choked unconscious and realise oops I better learn how to do that.. now look at guy's like Connor McGregor coming from a boxing background get taken down smashed with punches then choked out legend's like James Toney thinking I'm a world class boxer I'll knock him out before he grabs me a 40 plus year old ex MMA champion took James Toney down in seconds and had him tapping in seconds.. and in boxing they always grab and the referee says break in a Street fight there's no referee so when that guy grabs you and he now's what he's doing he's going to bounce you of the concrete and if he's nice not continue to smash you and you wake up in hospital drinking out a straw the games changed kids now no you need to no everything if you want to be the best street fighter not just how to box
Viv looked after his own community , I lived in daisyhill when he lived in westbury! My mam still lives in daisyhill to this day!!! Soon as viv got killed in1993-94 daisyhill got flooded with heroin , this would not of happened if viv had of been still alive ( FACT )
viv graham seems to have been a formidable force in his day. i do find it hard to believe that he was the hardest man in britain as some have claimed. i dare bet there was at least 1 man in ever other major city that would have got the better of him. after all he was only about 5'11 and not the meatiest bloke around so physically he would struggle with the likes of brian cockerill or lenny mclean etc. if you watch the footage of him vs staurt watson he just looks like an average brawler...
Dan the man lol was he actually? I’m from Leeds and my old man used to do the doors around leeds and knew Terry. He had a pretty fair rep in leeds did Terry. Probably still does
Me & my mate won a trip to Jamaica years ago when there we got the taxi driver to take us 2 a little shanty place 2 get some good puff, we met the dreads who when they found out we where from Middlesbrough there reply was "do u know Lee Duffy" and these dreads had never been on a plane, or anywhere outside Jamaica
a hard man keeps his mouth shut 🤫 it’s the quiet fella u. would want to watch we can all lift luck at the gelheany bros u don’t see them men looking for fight but fight they can mr j moorehouse here 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
According to a book I read, the Sayers (stephen and Micheal) attempted to fix up a fight between Viv and Cockerill. Cockerill seemed game but Viv by all accounts didnt want to know. I dont think he was scared but rather he just didnt want to oblige the Sayers. If anyone else can offer more/better insight then please do. Cheers
I think u may be getting Cockerill mixed up with Lee Duffy! They tried to get a fight set up between Viv Graham & Lee Duffy but legend has it Viv didn’t wanna know - Viv had more to lose unfortunately.
I seen viv Graham a few times when I was a Y P in Durham jail 1990 he had the place under control what I heared and believe he deffo ran the jail. big reputation this viv had inside and out there were also 2 lads ramsy brothers in there they escaped the jail at the time from what I remember
@fcu4life100 just read the same book and it says viv broke his brothers jaw on the day paddy got time, the thing i found interesting was dave glovers statement to the police about being the getaway driver in the murder while trying to implicate michael sayers as the shooter yet if anything dave glover was assoc with paddy conroy and doesnt mention any involvement of glover with the sayers, yet apparently he gave a description of the contents of the car. either he was in the car or knew who was..
Truth seeker back in the day I had day today dealings with viv graham. The duffer and Brian I never heard lee admit once Brian had done him and bry never mentioned it until after allo had chived lee so your obviously know them both a lot better then every one else who was in the game back in the day
+ADZ01982 lol although Allo now claims it never happened he defo got plunged in Italy when boro were away to Roma.he denies it ever happened and that's what he tells anybody who will listen nowadays....
The true hard men are those who get up and go to work every morning to provide for their wife’s and children
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You what?? what kind of fantasy role play are you living in man?? what dream world are you living in aye?? youve no balls mate thats why you come on youtube and look up characters like Viv Graham because it plays to and soothes your ego mate.. Poeple like him represent something your not and can never be yet your subcouncious longs to be... Thats why you get defencive and leave silly comments.. On one hand your addicted and you cant not watch, on the other hand it triggers you that he had balls, was self made and lived a free life.. Sure it dident end well for him but he still lived it mate.. Bettter go out a lion dieing to defend its patch than to be a gizell runing for its life... The gizell thinks its free yet it lives its entire life in fear, the Lion knows it must fight to survive yet its fearless...
Absolutely working man is the hardman.
Wife’s….hard enough providing for one let alone a few
Working for yourself is a real hardman not making money for others. Try and run your own business and see if you last longer than 3 years.... you wont
Oh the good old days when sus and decca ruled the roost.
Yellow top deca and organon sus 1ml amps the best gear going, everyone loves tren these days
Do we fear the “hard man”?
I say fear the scared man that has had enough of being bullied by the hard man !!
The desperately scared is always the one to fear. He’s the one that reaches for the gun or the knife. I’m sure the family of the always mentioned Lee Duffy will vouch for that.
Yup, exactly what killed him
Marcus Bailey we become the thing we fear/hate
I would rather be nice to people , love my family and not be feared by any human being .
Picking on the weak is despicable in my opinion .
Tough guys are a thing of the past now anyway . The youth of today would just knock at your house FEARLESS .
That's exactly what what happened to the Essex boys in the Range Rover. They backed people into a corner and ended up getting there heads blown off.
@@TonyMontana-sx6jv no mate they ripped the wrong person off and got it good and proper
People should fear the quiet one's
bully's always meet their end ,Lee Duffy, viv graham, the Essex Boys.
100% right 👍
According to Cockerill and a lot of others who knew him, Lee Duffy was absolutely NOT a bully, but was a guy that stuck up for smaller guys and kids...even in prison,and believe it or Not,even Viv Graham was apparently a descent guy, the video of him beating up a fellow bouncer was Viv graham being "Manipulated" by the guys that were with him, if you watch the video again and use your ears,you can hear them totally egging him on "Go on Viv" etc so I'm not sure
Needed his mates with him when he was fighting or trying to fight lee Duffy stood by his self
They didn't come much tougher than the Duffer
I mate I wish our lee did et him in the ring god he said ill show him how to fight in the ring or corner of ant street. This Lee work he like back street fight then ring fights it the way Lee was.
Did he fuck. Cockerill smashed the living fuck out of him.
@@colinsmith1412 cockerill is full of shit
@THE Don Spaghetti & Ravioli no he wasnt tooled up Duffy never used tools your full of shit now fuck off
and not a full rep was done that day..
Form doesn’t matter when you’re juiced to the gills
It’s called keeping the tension bodybuilding reps
@@djshocker1 LMAO
For anyone reading the comments and wondering "who were the hard men up north"
There was the sayers and conroy families, and viv graham in newcastle,
Lee duffy and brian cockerill in middlesborough,
And ernie bewick, big rob robson, and brian loughlin in sunderland
splod110 Well some are dead now, and the rest are now in there 50s and much later. Don't know how much sway they hold in todays underworld.
+ADZ01982 Some hold a huge amount of "sway" but have developed the good sense to insulate themselves from the day to day issues that they got caught up in when they were younger.
The fact that they aren't "on the frontline" does not make them irrelevant.
So
splod110 all you experts at gangster shit😂fuck off
Ernie and BRI can still pull on
Its not how powerful or good a fighter you are its how far your willing to take it....
And it is not the beating that you give that makes you tuff, it is the beating that you can take.
It’s about staying clear of trouble . Avoid it at all costs . Stay clear of ignoramuses
Remember My first rocky movie😂
ya need a high pain tolerance to become the next viv
Was a police informer 💯
Is that Andy Webb doing the spotting?
Was lock 🔐 up in Accrington 91 with him top lad he was fearless man!!
What even when lee duffy come to town ?
lee Duffy was a true warrior..... didn't need his dogs to back him up !!!!!
lee Duffy walked and ruled with fist ...... alone !!!!!
He feared lee Duffy simple as
You all say he feared Duffy , if Duffy was serious about finding Viv (he wasn't) he could have just went to his house everyone knew were Viv lived and his telephone number,
So why didn't he ambush Viv when Viv was leaving his house,
Graham was much more feared than Duffy ,
Look at how Lee died. Allison wasn't afraid to get up close and personal to supeman Lee who could ko every person with a punch. , except. David Allison who he couldn't ko with one punch,
Now look at how Graham died. , they were in a car. Ready to take off Incase they missed Viv and pissed him off so they could make a quick get away,
So yeah Viv didn't fear Lee,
Viv just didn't care for a fight. He was sick of going to prison. And wanted just too run his business, that's all,
But people there is no footage of mighty Lee (who couldn't even ko Allison) yet their is footage of Viv punching a 17 stone guy,
So all we have is stories about Lee could knock out 4 big doormen yet couldn't knock out 1 skinny David Allison weird,
Some good half reps
The grave yard is full of legends...got to say my money would of bin on lee Duffy....
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Defo duffy
You saw him fight or?
@@stardust-hr8wh you see viv fight? I saw the clip of him attacking that bouncer and it took him ages to take him out and even then he had his mates with him.
@@idnanali4668 he didn’t even take him out, he stayed on his feat the whole time. Bronson said Duffy would have absolutely smashed Viv, he was blessed with the touch of death, very rare genetics
I remember seeing him dealing in his Sierra Cosworth in Whitley Bay around 1991. Legend my arse, drug dealing bully maybe.
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This vids not about being a hardman.
Just him having fun with his pals.
yeah they were but steriods are performance enhancers you still need to dedicate your self to get that big it doesint just happen over night
Not really
@@edgeybrah3544 You obviously know nothing about gear
It's a short life when you put yourself forward as a hard man and with all the shit going on in tyneside at the minute it wont be long until the next funeral.
Whats going on??? Has immigation changed it? Is there a lot of asian gangs conflicting?
@@davide1241 I think you are asking 9 years too late
geordie bloke [ who was in pub game ] i got chatting to in majorca siad to me 'he wasnt a hard man' think he probabbly meant he wasnt real nasty. Graham sounded like a guy wiv a big heart.
These so called hard men are nothing really, there's always someone harder or badder ready to put an end to you. The over confident have found this out many a time usually after its to late.
Car1234oppinions Just because their may be somebody, somewhere doesn't make them nothing. They are the men not to mess with in their area. What are you the best in the world at? Nothing? So are you nothing? What will YOU be remembered as? Internet critic? They chose to live ;life fast and hard and know the consequences. In that time they see things and do things you never will
andy helm see what ? and do what ? and be remembered by who ? the facts are, that in one or two hundred years you and I will not be remembered by anyone, and I for one am not interested in being remembered by anyone, and neither will the the so called hard men, And I disagree with you with regard with messing with them, point 1 most successful people, me included don't need to have anything to do with these types of people, and rarely come into contact with them, point two, I have no idea how you can speak up for the hard men who have been got rid of, I'm sure if you could ask them, they'd much rather have had a quiet and LONG life. There is nothing hard about Viv Graham now is there.
Car1234oppinions agreed, i do genealogy (family trees) for my friends and relatives and let me tell you,you are well and truly forgotten far quicker than what you said, no one seems to give a flying fuck anymore, social attitudes have changed and people in general have become more insular, greedy, self centred and shallow! foreign influence (different cultures) drugs and alcohol have changed our attitudes for ever, no more leaving doors open, old aged pensioners being raped, white girls being systematically raped over 2 decades while the police turn a blind eye (ROTHERHAM) in fear of called racist (PAKISTANI RAPISTS!) they have opened up the cases again but is going to cost US the taxpayer fucking millions when the useless cunts have been payed for basically doing fuck all! like the greedy bankers who caused the down turn in the economy (the recession) they will never be held to account!
+david davids do some do genealogy (family trees) for me? im crap at it lol
Vic Thaking Give me some details pal, where you from?
Some pile of shite gets talked in the comments of this. Was he the hardest in Britain at the time? No he wasn’t but he was still hard as fuck and if he wasn’t he wouldn’t of needed to be shot. All this stupid talk about him not being hard from keyboard warriors. The hand speed of the man is unreal for someone 18 stone. Far to many people base there assumptions on the fact he didn’t knock Stuart Watson out. Stuart was a very tough man himself with a granite chin. You can’t knock everybody out you hit.
Who really cares mate ?
The only ones who are remotely interested are people who lead similar lives !
Working men with loved ones around them would not even know these people .
I for one have never heard of him but a quick Google search tells me he was shot dead at 34 years of age on New Year’s Eve !!
That’s all I need to know . There are no legends here son .
@@Deaf-s6l Why are you here then on this video and why did you chose to read the comments so you could then make one if you don’t care about it? Strange.
@@fcu866 I was watching an American mafia doc about 2 days ago about Al Capone . For some reason a silly little video about mad Frankie Fraser was suggested and after watching that pathetic video for about 2 minutes , this one came up !!
Like I say I don’t care about any garbage like this and have never heard of him .
I was watching American mafia stuff . Not things about bullys - it’s not my thing
@@Deaf-s6l sounds like it’s really got to you, seek help
@@fcu866 it’s got to me ha . In one ear out the other .
I just don’t like bullys
I've heard that too about Duffy.
He could be a bully to some folk but if you were his mate then you were his mate for life.
Very short Life so we will never know If its really forever
why would a so called hard man need body guards,dont recall lee duffy needing body guards when he went round newcastle knocking out vivs doormen to bring viv out in the open,viv never came.................
And what happened to Lee Duffy with no bodyguards? Dead at 26. Weapons are the equaliser...
@@Dude0000 sad but true
Pull shit Lee
There wasn't just him there was about 16 of them, plus it was always Sunday when viv didn't work, plus he never hung around when he did it they jumped in cars and vans then went
There bouncers who worked for him on the doors
Fucking size on that other bloke in the white t shirt. Monster
I think that’s Andy Webb, he was a champion bodybuilder.
Anyone remember Hed (Hedley Welsh) who used to work on the doors in Newcastle? heard he was a hard bloke
I remember him, big huge fella with a white skin head?? Sure he ran a few doors and had his own firm.
Another Pat Tate 😂😂
The difference being these north east gangsters could fight pat tony and Craig were just muppets
@@tommy2guns220 they all ended up in the same holes though! You can’t punch a bullet.
@@264144253 ye viv got shot but duffy got stabbed either nasty endings live by the sword dye bye the sword
i have worked the doors at quite a few london venues still do now and then, and i have worked with all sorts. and all the geordie boys i have worked with have all said he was a ok bloke, so i have to go with that. they speak very well of him so there you go.
They will do cos he’s one of them bet all of them knew him as well! My arse
pal viv RIP MISSING YOU XXX
Hope your well mate👍
@@diggerfox7194 I’m good thanks Neil been long time hope u ok and well family happy 2
Thanks hassan mate glad your well
Stu has got an Iron jaw.
The lad who MC's the boxing shows at the Telewest Arena videoed this, if I remember rightly Andy told me it was Hassan's birthday !
This lot wouldn’t last in this ear!! Facts the men of today are far more ruthless and unforgiving
Andy webs gym in jesmond ...... Good vid. RIP
Apparently the Krays DID come to the Toon once but as soon as they arrived, half of the police in Newcastle arrived and put them straight on the next train back to London!
@@Makina-99 as if They would of been bothered by the geordie spakkas
@@Makina-99 🥴
@@JacobMatthew8 they got kicked out of anywhere they went north of the Watford gap, liverpool, Newcastle, glasgow. They knew no one up north gave a shit about them, they only scared soft southerners, so they stayed there. Fact.
I agree m8 Iv read vivs book, it was terrible I keep it in the bathroom, it might come in handy incase I run out of bog roll
He did what Denny hague told him he could / couldn’t do Denny was the boss
very unlikely Tyson is a pro and a very good one so no way , cant compare the two really
Plain and simple viv was a bully 100 percent
I am glad i live a peaceful life . Live by the sword and die by it . Karma is a fact of live and i want good karma.
I bet he would swap it all now to be a Granddad and see old age .
Blokes didn't half used to age quicker bitd, he must of been roughly 30 in this video and looks at least 50
It could be years before we see another bloke like him.
Respect to him.
I know your comment was a long time ago but I don't think we will ever see anyone like Viv again mate. These were men who would gladly go outside to sort out any bit rik that was cousing agro or stopping one of them earning. Once it was over they would shake hands (most of the time) and move on. Usually buy each other a drink and job done. These days the youngens just reach for a tool nd stick each other then a war between the two groups starts nd usually ends in them getting a big lump of jail each with not a penny made between them. Just mindless violence that does nobody any good. I miss the days of a good straightener rolling around on the cobbles then job done!! No bizzies involved and no sentences. Good old days.
@@K.K000 you are one gullible thick human
@@K.K000 true. Viv was the last of a dying breed , my dad always said in his day men fought with their fists none of this. Bottle chains, kn!v£s bats , stuff just fists. But like you said now it's just gangs of k!ds. Who don't give a f*CK. About seriously hurting Someone,
Viv. May have had some fights and beat people up. But at least he didn't use weapons on anyone or k!LL anyone,
Shit himself when Duffy wanted a straightener but didn't mind flattening a drunk
89dcooper I heard the same mate that he avoided Lee Duffy more than once. Duffy was also a bully one of the worst I saw him pick a skinny kid up about 19 and headbutt him and splat his face for bumping into him in the Havana club. He was a big lump of a bloke but he was living on borrowed time didn't he loose a toe of two when he was shot in the foot?
+Stephen Howe You know fuck all about Lee fuck all about Brian or anything that happened back in the day in any way shape or form.All you have are 2nd hand stories and Chinese whispers.Just for the Record the duffer only head butted one person in the buterlogghi @ club Havana that was Steven Eastlands and it wasn't for fuck all.So once again you have not got a clue what your talking about.Those people in the know/know who iam and know I was in and around the scene @ the time I had dealings with Lee Viv and later on Brian on a daily basis Regardless of what you think you know or claim to know believe me you don't know fuck all.So please show a little character and respect for someone who's dead and not here to defend them selfs in person Over the years things get twisted stories get exaggerated what is lost in truth gets replaced with lies and other people who weren't even their speak like they were.just read a story on here that 12 people attacked Bri in the that no famous house
***** well Lee must of already wanted him for something then cause it looked like he knutted him for nothing.
***** I don't claim to know any of them and I didn't know who Lee was but I know what I saw.
+Carlos No one gives a fuck Carlos who the fùçk you are no doubt a fkkn nobody and as for ya boyfriend Dead Duffy he wouldn't have lasted two minutes in Belfast the paramilitarys would have wiped him and all his hangers on out no fkkn messing.
funny man, especially when he bashed Stuart in Hobos, semi-concious & kept beating him
i agree with buzz. most of the hard men are bullys.
Did the Taxman and Viv fight ? were they pals ?
They should make a movie about viv Graham that would be interesting
i bet that gym had an expensive steroid bill
Lee Duffy had his number and Viv knew it
Number?
Mate many of ordinary people would of had his number just a glorified bouncer who ppl only feared because of his false reputation
He shit himself when Duffy wanted to fight him.
Absolute fact mate the duffer would of k’od him 1st punch
Viv was on the cook report.
r.I.p Big Viv good of friend of my Dads
How many Dads have you got?
Fascinates me the crime game. I saw another video of this bully, 6 of them onto two bouncers, the man was a steroid using body builder, very powerful man but not a fighter, just throwing wild punches. Lee Duffy was a fighting man, would have sparked him easily for me
When your the man or want to be, it’s a one on one to see who really is the best, that’s the real deal
You talking a shit from ur ass piss head .
Great fighter 💪👏👌👍🙌
Yeh, terrified of Duffy
How did this viv graham die?.. i worked in tyneside back in the early 90's on building sites heard his name been mentioned once or twice.
Lee duffy was the hardest of all
he wasn't a gangster.... he was a fighter!!!!!
when he was about..... the drug dealer.... went under ground!!!!!
@THE Don Spaghetti & Ravioli most drug dealers and so called gangsters were shit scared of him !!!! that's the reality. he was one man soldier!!!!!
@THE Don Spaghetti & Ravioli anybody who has loads of fights is a bully .
What's consistent with all these bullys is that they were bullied as kids .
If I was bullied I would like to think I would be nice .
I would not give these people the time of day . I would never make eye contact and if I seen or heard them , wherever I was I would leave immediately .. be it supermarket , pub , park ... Anywhere at all .
There is no place on the planet for bullys .
ernie bewick would have slipped past duffys long jabs and broke his ribs
Don't get me wrong it takes a certain type of person to live life in their way... But surely there must of been plenty more that were worse in a city as big n with the reputation its got.. He can't of been the leader.. But they say he was so you've just gotta go with it...
With Viv Grahams death it was '' Nothing personal....strictly business.''
With Lee Duffy's death it was '' Nothing business....strictly personal ''
It appears that Viv Graham was liked and respected by at least SOME of the Newcastle people. I don't think he had a name for targeting people that had never done him any harm. If I am wrong then I am sure people will corrrect me on this.
The same can't be said about Lee Duffy. He was totally feared and would (and did) clear a pub just by walking into it. He never had any respect from the people of the Boro, maybe by his mates but never by the man in the street.
There were so many parties celebrating his death that it's a wonder you never heard the shouts of joy in Newcastle.
LD's mates only had to tell him that some totally innocent man was looking at him the wrong way and he would go over and spark him out. This is why he was never liked/respected by this town. He was feared and hated more than anything else. The guy was hard and tough, no disputing that, but it was his own actions that caused his downfall. Nobody can expect to cause so much grief to innocent people and think they can get away with it every time. Someone, somewhere, is gonna react and take this threat to society out of the picture....forever.
+Elmwood 1965 was that you In the buterloghi he kicked down the stairs.I was their that.night it was a shit house trick.We told Lee so as well it was Ginger Walsh and Tong dingha who were winding Duffy up pair of cunts licked his arse.And were egging him on.I knaa it's very little consolation now but believe me Walsh and dingha got theirs X10 and you knaa what happened to the Duffer.
+Carlos yeah I'm from Newcastle but live in Spain now the club was in boro it was the club Havana buterloghi was the name of the event.Back in the day for better or worse i had dealings with Newcastle boro and Sunderland.It was a fucked up time no doubt and a lot of shameful shit was said and done by all sides.Especially the duffer.It would have worked out better for everyone if Viv and The duffer killed each other in 89.And left Ernie Bew.@ least Ernie was fair and reasonable.Duffy was just a fuckin idiot and Vivs personality totally changed power went to his head.It all worked itself out u. The end.The right person was left standing @ the end.👍🇬🇧
I never went in the Havana , i ventured in a few times when it was previously the Speakeasy , hated the place , Duffy took a lads eye out with a glass and a young Lacky took the wrap for him and got 3/ 4 years for it. Iv heard a few times that Ernie was a sound ld hope hes ok
+Elmwood 1965 it was a fuckin disgrace the police let that lad take the rap for that when they knew it was Duffy boro cid were bent as fuck.Saying that so we're Durham Northumbria Sunderland,like a said some shameful shit went on back then by all parties.Lee had no loyalty and was always on bus perch.If Allo hadn't done him their was a que of people waiting he was never gonna see the year out.Vivs death was similar but for different reasons.He had his card marked but didn't wind his neck in.You have to remember Viv/Duffer/Bri/Ernie are just bouncers who run other bouncers.Their are people higher up the food chain.When they jump you ask how high.Thats why Ernie is stil, here and the other 2 are not.Their deaths where inevitable.Their cards had been marked weeks before they were dropped just happened Allo beat everyone to the punch and ViVs was well it is what it is.I. Still in touch with Ernie he's never changed and has the same values and Morals that's why he's in the game 👍🇬🇧🍻
Nice comments and very truthful in what you say . Bullies are just cunts and sooner or later get what they deserve , but as you say Ernie still has the same morals and values , it obviously shows hes a genuine lad .
Nobody knows who would have won that fight between Lee Or Viv because there’s so many stories out there it seems like people have there favourites.
Duffy had nothing to lose and was still building a reputation , Viv had plenty to lose so i can see why it never happened
Who cares. Viv Graham was a bully, his only fight on video shows he had to sucker punch somebody. Lee Duffy was a bully and failed boxer who ended up bullying non fighters in pubs. Put either of them in a fight with a trained fighter and they would’ve been flattened. We’ve seen Viv Graham’s fight video, he couldn’t even punch properly 😂
who is the black guy in the gym i remember there were 2 brothers that were bouncers in toon in the mid to late 90's i used to see them buying records in bass generator all the time
Looks like Manny Burgo. Worked the doors in Newcastle and was a pro boxer.
maxtache cheers
+Robert Munro The black guy is Hussain (he gets called Hassan). One of Viv and Terry Scott's best pals. Hassan is still kicking around and is still a diamond of a bloke.
Manny B is lighter skinned, smaller in build (Manny was a pro boxer at the time, and was never much for bodybuilding) and being a North Shields lad, never really associated with Viv and the lads that much (not that they were enemies)
+Vince Brady Cheers Vince. Was a bit unsure as I was aboard late 80's till 2000. My mate corrected me also when I shown him this footage.
maxtache No bother mate.
His arsed bounced when Lee Duffy offered him out.
We all miss you viv Hassy
HASAN HOW YOU KEEPING FELLA
@@kevinclark2856 I’m good my friend hope you too been long time x
Hassan, how did you and Viv meet and become friends? I really think you should do a podcast
@@scottyg7160 hope the right time mate
Is that Andy Webb with you, I believe he was your training partner.
please enlighten me then.
Who is this Ian Freeman?
come off it man why are people saying tyson or viv or duffy lets be real it would never of happened and tyson has had better sparing partners then duffy and viv no disrespect to viv and duffy but tyson is one of the greatest boxers of all time
Name 1 elite fighter that tyson beat ?....everytime he stepped up he got slapped or struggled. .....tyson not even in the top 10 heavyweights. ..he was only good knocking out bums
Aaron Dale Bruno, ruddock Larry Holmes spinks?
He would have soon stopped smiling if lee duffy had a walked in ,,
Ian the machine freeman ex Sunderland doorman.. turned mixed martial artist heavyweight champion.. ask joe rogan or look at his highlights he could fight
There is a book about Richy Horsley (I havent read it though).
He would have been around at that time but wether he crossed paths with Viv, Cockerill or Duffy I dont know.
saw that video where viv threw about twenty unanswered punched at a big doorman and still the doorman didnt go down - not a very hard puncher then
Echoe Bse big daft sausage.
And Viv even threw a cheap shot yet the doorman was un-phased
so who was a hard man them ?? viv or the door lad ???
Big Roollaayy
The door lad. He was outnumbered and didn’t hit back (because he was outnumbered) yet ate up all of Viv’s punches/ even the sucker punch
@@SuperKoreanzombie viv was a dick .... look.... what happened to his kids !!!! I dont believe in karma.......
viv never went around stealing off grannies or stabbing or shooting anyone, he got a reputation from being a tough guy, so people that say he is a bully you are wrong
Exacally Nigel Newcastle Wouldnt Be Riddled With Smak If The Man Was Still Here.
Paul Miller I'm not buying that he would of been babysitting deals believe me them Turks wouldn't give a fuck about him
bigdog scarbarough Times have changed since then , but back in the day it was the asions from boro who were peddeling the pepper. He must of been some fighter tho to be in lenny mcleans video.
Paul Miller the gypos are at it aswell as them they just shoot you and move on I agree I'm not saying he wasn't a tough cookie he was ,still wouldn't fight Ernie Bewick though
bigdog scarborough Is it true he wouldn't fight Middlesbroughs Lee Duffy I've heard the rumours that the Sayers brought Lee Duffy up to Newcastle on a few occasions and every time Viv was nowhere to be seen, (or is this just another yarn the rumour mill has span out?)
yes he was a hardman but i dont think he wanted a fight with duffy and he was realy only a 13 stoner but pumped up with steroids to make him 17 stone. this is what ive read about him on the internet. the other video on youtube does show him with 5 other men in a nightclub doing a bouncer so his he a bully or was he doing a bully. must say he does seem quite a happy fella but its obvious he did upset alot of people who wanted him dead and finaly he got whacked. rip fella
And the doorman he attacked took his punches didn't get dropped this is before people new the importance of grappling and submission wrestling and now you get boxer's or hard men like viv go to a MMA class or have a fight on the street and get bounced off the ground from a judoka or submission wrestler and get choked out or tied up in nots and smashed this was 92 I bet viv Graeme would have looked at a skinny Royce Gracie and think put me in a cage no rules I'd destroy him.. then he would wake up after being choked unconscious and realise oops I better learn how to do that.. now look at guy's like Connor McGregor coming from a boxing background get taken down smashed with punches then choked out legend's like James Toney thinking I'm a world class boxer I'll knock him out before he grabs me a 40 plus year old ex MMA champion took James Toney down in seconds and had him tapping in seconds.. and in boxing they always grab and the referee says break in a Street fight there's no referee so when that guy grabs you and he now's what he's doing he's going to bounce you of the concrete and if he's nice not continue to smash you and you wake up in hospital drinking out a straw the games changed kids now no you need to no everything if you want to be the best street fighter not just how to box
Viv looked after his own community , I lived in daisyhill when he lived in westbury! My mam still lives in daisyhill to this day!!! Soon as viv got killed in1993-94 daisyhill got flooded with heroin , this would not of happened if viv had of been still alive ( FACT )
+todd8137 he was bang into juicing himself up on roids as well and apparently supplying them.
what do you think he done with all the drugs he prevented from getting sold on the streets ? Flushed £25,000 of heroin down the netty ?
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yes whatever
Paul Barton ya full of shit
A bully, plain and simple.
Not one full rep completed in the entire video
viv graham seems to have been a formidable force in his day. i do find it hard to believe that he was the hardest man in britain as some have claimed. i dare bet there was at least 1 man in ever other major city that would have got the better of him. after all he was only about 5'11 and not the meatiest bloke around so physically he would struggle with the likes of brian cockerill or lenny mclean etc. if you watch the footage of him vs staurt watson he just looks like an average brawler...
Lenny maclain would of beat shit out him I knew both men viv was bully
I think 5 11" is being very kind.He looks 5ft 9" to me.
Dan the man lol was he actually? I’m from Leeds and my old man used to do the doors around leeds and knew Terry. He had a pretty fair rep in leeds did Terry. Probably still does
Had a fight with Ernie Bewick, hit Ernie on the back of the head, worst punch you get, still fought Viv to a standstill tho.
so was graham pal,he got done too,in the back running away,duffy was battling when he got it...
He wasnt even a good fighter he bullied quiet people
Il tell ye how fearless lee duffy was,he would of walked in that gym on his own with them there and started on Viv graham.
But he didn’t though did he
I knew viv he wasnt a bully.was his mates who where the bullies,viv was canny
Also a pussy when duffy went smashing up his door men! Right fukin coward Viv was.
Good quality reps... Lol
What's with all the half reps ?
Deliberately so puts more tension on the chest thus more muscle growth
let me guess,lovely man who looked after old woman
How did this fella die??
The half rep king
Me & my mate won a trip to Jamaica years ago when there we got the taxi driver to take us 2 a little shanty place 2 get some good puff, we met the dreads who when they found out we where from Middlesbrough there reply was "do u know Lee Duffy" and these dreads had never been on a plane, or anywhere outside Jamaica
I find that hard to believe , yardys in Jamaica make Lee Duffy look like a choir boy.
@@Khaos969 obviously u didn't know the Duffer
Lee Thistlethwaite i know yardies chop ppl up into small pieces with machetes , and that Jamaica is a very dangerous country
a hard man keeps his mouth shut 🤫 it’s the quiet fella u. would want to watch we can all lift luck at the gelheany bros u don’t see them men looking for fight but fight they can mr j moorehouse here 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Shut ur mouth
Agreed always be wary of the quiet one in the room.....
He's pushing up daisies now
One of life's bullies where he belongs
Who owns what in Toon, i know the Sayers are big name. Is there any foreign gangs operating in the toon ?
I agree mate.
I think Duffy would have struggled with Vivs raw physical strength.
Hahaha. No. Lee Duffy was 6,4 17 stone of pure athlete and fighter he’d have punched holes through this little steroid man
Wrong ! Lifting weights has nothing to do with fighting. So more than likely Value v would get folded unless he pulls a weapon
BANG BANG
RIP DEAN
J
lovely lad dean loads of respect for him
Nice half reps there viv pal.
May of been half reps but they did something didn’t he he was massive
Half reps done properly are what grows the wanted part otherwise you’re activating other muscles. Look at his wrists perfect reps.
@@peesib 😂
@@winstrolchurchill821 Winstrol most overrated sted, nuff said. Tinman.
@@peesib 😂😂😂😂😂👍🏼👍🏼
Not one full rep was conducted thus day...
According to a book I read, the Sayers (stephen and Micheal) attempted to fix up a fight between Viv and Cockerill.
Cockerill seemed game but Viv by all accounts didnt want to know.
I dont think he was scared but rather he just didnt want to oblige the Sayers.
If anyone else can offer more/better insight then please do.
Cheers
Cockerell would of beat Graham
@@criartorosbri the lie beat viv no way, cockrill a big bloke but the bit footage on on pads, big sloppy cunt, viv would of done him quickly
I think u may be getting Cockerill mixed up with Lee Duffy! They tried to get a fight set up between Viv Graham & Lee Duffy but legend has it Viv didn’t wanna know - Viv had more to lose unfortunately.
I seen viv Graham a few times when I was a Y P in Durham jail 1990 he had the place under control what I heared and believe he deffo ran the jail. big reputation this viv had inside and out there were also 2 lads ramsy brothers in there they escaped the jail at the time from what I remember
THEN LEE DUFFY CAME ALONG AND VIV HID IN HIS CELL HAHAHA
Derek and Leslie?
at the end of the day,you are right mate..........
doesent matter how big you are no 1 can beat a bullet .. not a magnum 1 nyways keep yi self to yi self ppl ......
I like magnums. but over the years have got smaller
so funny i forgot to laugh
+K. M. Dog
bless ya
viv was a monster that hard he had to b shot
K. M. Dog
I am sure ya had ya reasons
Miss you VIV miss you Dean. 👊👊👊
@fcu4life100 just read the same book and it says viv broke his brothers jaw on the day paddy got time, the thing i found interesting was dave glovers statement to the police about being the getaway driver in the murder while trying to implicate michael sayers as the shooter yet if anything dave glover was assoc with paddy conroy and doesnt mention any involvement of glover with the sayers, yet apparently he gave a description of the contents of the car. either he was in the car or knew who was..
Underpantswedgy
Thats a bit harsh.
Can I assume by your comment that you knew someone who got chinned by Viv?
Truth seeker back in the day I had day today dealings with viv graham. The duffer and Brian I never heard lee admit once Brian had done him and bry never mentioned it until after allo had chived lee so your obviously know them both a lot better then every one else who was in the game back in the day
***** Didn't Allo get stabbed when the Boro were playing in Europe a few year back think it was in Italy.
+ADZ01982 lol although Allo now claims it never happened he defo got plunged in Italy when boro were away to Roma.he denies it ever happened and that's what he tells anybody who will listen nowadays....
So for his right and wrongs Lee Duffy was known all over