SuperFast 3DBenchy at QUALITY on Voron Ferrari
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ธ.ค. 2021
- Speedprinting at Quality still is a challenge!
I am not 100% there yet, but my investigations for an upcoming video helped to achieve that 3DBenchy print shown here.
The printer is a Voron v0.0 by Voron Design, with several upgrades/designs by 247printing.
STL files, instructions and BOM for the modifications:
247printing.gumroad.com/l/247...
Links @247printing:
Instagram: / 247printing
Twitter: / 247_printing
Patreon: / 247printing
Discord: / discord
VORON ZERO KITS you can buy*:
Formbot Voron V0.1 Kit (AliExpress) bit.ly/39kfWdC
LDO Voron V0.1 KIT (Caribou3D) bit.ly/3KBxqzL
Recommended Kits for bigger DIY printers:
Voron 2.4 Kit (AliExpress) kit bit.ly/3PklmWE
Voron Trident Kit (AliExpress) bit.ly/3yxMaNe
Table of content*:
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1. Products/Components used
2. My video gear
1. Details on the upgrades/products
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All information about Voron (designer of the base printer V0):
www.vorondesign.com/
Thermal Camera:
FLIR ONE PRO: amzn.to/2UWAe67
For years now, I use BigTreeTech/BIQU products - very much recommended:
(I was sponsored with an Octopus Board V1.1, TMC2209, 70W Heater and PT1000 thermistor)
Get the Octopus Board here:
bit.ly/31kKCrj
Hotend = Genuine Slice Engineering Mosquito Magnum:
At Slice Engineering (5% off with this link):
www.sliceengineering.com/247p...
At 3DJake:
tidd.ly/3jgkcx4
Heater block - Volcomosq by Nitram, watch his video (order info in the description):
• How did I end up with ...
Motors: OMC 14HS20-1504S - Voron 0.1 specified:
www.omc-stepperonline.com/nem...
For stiffness and weight reduction I re-designed the X-gantry to be printed with the truly awesome PET CARBON FIBER by AzureFilm3D (prints very easy and is superior to ABS in every respect):
tidd.ly/3pc8Xtn
I bought a LDO Motors linear rail kit from Lecktor:
lecktor.com/en/v0-motion/751-...
Lubrication of the rails is done with WD40 specialist PTFE (lower friction):
amzn.to/2ZTE2rc
I use an E3D Hemera at bowden configuration:
amzn.to/2ZOTnZX
Bowden adapter:
amzn.to/3Ffo76I
Fans for external static cooling:
www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/D...
Alternative 4028 fans, which are available, but not as crazy powerful (but surely sufficient for daily printing):
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_97e6Rl
2. My video gear
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Panasonic Lumix GX80/GX85: amzn.to/3qe98mU
Panasonic 30 mm, F2.8 ASPH Macro Lens amzn.to/3sm0yoF
iPhone 11 Pro: amzn.to/2VZYswJ
Smartphone video rig: amzn.to/3iriub5
GoPro Hero 9: amzn.to/2UZI9Q5
Similar to the soft boxes I use: amzn.to/3xRes2d
Similar to the tripod I use: amzn.to/2V1I6mw
#SpeedBoatRace
#JoinTheSpeed
#247printing
#volcomosq
#3Dprinting
#making
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Don't miss "Best of 2021" and the "Quality Check"!
(and all the other stuff)
0:00 Goofy INTRODUCTION :)
0:55 TECH I USED (Overlay)
3:09 FIRMWARE SETTINGS (Overlay)
4:09 SLICER SETTINGS (Overlay)
7:24 BEST OF 2021 - 247printing choices (Overlay)
9:40 QUALITY CHECK
this is why we push for 3 minute benchies! so that our 10m benchies look stunning
Exactly this! But still we have to go faster and better.
*LETSSSSZZZZ GAOOOOOOOO*
It's like learning to play a song much faster than you're meant to, so then playing it normal speed is much easier and more manageable
10 minutes, dude. Damn 10 is good, and this at "acceptable" quality is just mesmerizing to see it work. I'm... kinda stunned. (dec 2023 here)
Mmmh, quite not. We're humans. Kudos to all good musicians and good machiners and machine builders, but they do a complete different job, than machines.
And if this machine could play songs, it would be totally useless.
Unless playing Bob Marley's Kaya at a speed which doesnt' meake me sleep, or tasks like so. @@cocoahere875
Not even joking, this 9 minute quality print is about as good as my 55 minute prusa mini print. I could probably get as low as 40 minutes without losing quality but the fact you can make a benchy that fast without any major defects is amazing.
Production quality for a channel with that low amount of subscribers is through the roof. You deserve to grow!
Thanks A LOT! I bought my first camera some days ago and I love the filming and editing 😍
I love how fan speed is tied to layer time. Thanks for the video!
Thanks a lot for your comment and for stopping by 🤩
Albert, you are doing amazing things that are truly advancing this technology and community in massive ways.
Thank you.
Wow, thanks a lot - I feel honored and I have to thank YOU!
That improvement in quality is insane!!!! Amazing work by yourself and everyone in the community in 2021!!!! Looking forward to that kind of quality on the 3 minute benchy in 2022 😉
Thanks a lot Jeffrey! I am very curious about 2022 also ☺️
Thanks for sharing your STL Files and BOM!!!! Keep up the good work! I really love your work and authentic mindset about 3d printing. I cant wait for your upcoming projects and gave you a litte donation support so that you can continue creating more amazing projects !
I could watch this for hours, love the sound of that cooling when it's at full beast mode. Congrats bud can't wait to see more
Thanks a lot mate!
I can really feel your dedication and passion for 3d printing! Best newcomer in 2021 - - > 247printing!
Wow! Thanks for those kind words!
I’m fascinated by this little machine
The new year I’m buying a kit but leaning towards the 2.4 and upgrading as much as I can but this little guy is a absolute beast. Can’t wait to see how you improve it and make it even more impressive although it already is! I remember printing a benchy on my first creality cr10 and how long it took. Sub 10 minutes that’s absolutely impressive. Keep up the awesome work
Thanks A LOT Josh!
Super great editing on the video with the dashboard view of everything going on. Thanks for sharing your progress!
Thanks A LOT!
This is one scary robot. Very impressive. The thermal camera adds so much perspective
Amazing, goosebumps with that fan-sound. You are the reason I have to get a 0.1 after my 2.4 is done in a few days! Frohe Weihnachten!
Danke Max!!! Frohe Weihnachten dir auch ☺️
Bro mad respect for your work. I'm glad that you keep the printing community pushing. Extra points for the CASIO;)
Thanks a lot Andrey! Goosebumps reading that ☺️ Someone suggested to use a Casio ;) It was a VERY good idea 🤩
I’ve been wondering what you UI must look like since your first video I’ve seen.. nice to see you including it!
Ohh wow.. and thermals 🤩
This video is perfect. The thermal camera is so mesmerizing to watch
Great work man! You're doing some really awesome stuff here
THANK YOU!
That thing looks splendid! :O Congrats on having that tiny machine where it is now! Amazing piece of work.
Thanks a lot!
The narration and the printer rock man. Still want to build one someday
THANK YOU :)
Ten years ago this was a dream ... Nice Job
Thanks a lot! In the beginning of the year (before Voron and before Klipper) I could not have imagined doing this ☺️
Moin,
absolut geniales Video. Ich mag, wie Du die ganzen Daten nebenbei einblendest. (Auch, wenn ich irgendwie den Baby Yoda vermisse xD)
Kann es jetzt schon nicht abwarten, was da noch alles kommt.
Alles Gute
Vielen Dank für die lieben Worte und hoffentlich bis bald! Ich wünsche wunderbare Feiertage ☺️
Love the intro. Best I've seen for a long time.
Thank you so much! Tried and learned a lot the last weeks and I am really glad you like it! That’s the target for the production quality throughout full 10-15min in the future and i hope to improve my procedures in order to achieve it efficiently - still a noob in content creating, but it is so much fun. Thanks again, really helps a lot to go on!
Very nice benchy! Love the mods you did
Thanks a lot!
Best 3d printing channel of 2021!
Danke Stefan! That's AWESOME to read! For me it's Stefan's CNC-Kitchen channel, as he does a great job in producing videos and explaining - for me an example how to go on :)
Amazing Albert, very nice before/after at the end there, a true testament to the merits of the #speedboatrace! Awesome job!
Hey Mikkel, thanks a lot and very nice to read you again!
discovered you're channel a couple of days ago and I absolutely love it!
I'm building a small linear rail corexy as well (though not a voron) and I'm hoping that that'll be quite fast as well
Thanks a lot - looking forward to you reporting about your machine!
How’s the bot?
Thank you for sharing settings!
You, sir, are an absolute legend for sharing everything. Thank you. Seems like so many people act like everything is a big secret
Can't wait for the 30 second benchy
10s ☺️
Thank you for sharing all the parts used and extras like lube.. etc .
Thanks for watching and commenting, Nick!
OMG I already loved to watch a 3d printer print but with these speeds I would always watch it till they end. 😍
Wow, great progress.
Thanks a lot!
Impressive!
Like your best of list. Also, I'm feeling better about my 17-18mm³/s I'm getting on my v2.4 with Galileo/dragon hf setup, but I'm not going for speed, there are no fine details in my prints, and I'm using a 0.8mm nozzle. You (and the others in the boat race) are rewriting the laws of high speed fdm printing. Amazing content, thanks for all you do!
I thank you so much! Speedprinting really is a very special topic and we are not 100% there yet. The last weeks I realized that tuning and parameter variation can be very tricky at speed when ALSO considering "real quality". Never the less I am very convinced that the future of (commercial) FDM will be a lot faster!
I'm really looking forward to this video explaining your method to improve quality at speed 👍
Thanks a LOT, I hope I can finish this big video soon 😅
Insane, can't wait for the how to video
Agree, I think seeing it in action is already neat, but what would explode on TH-cam is if you made a step - by - step video series of how to build one, once you are done. I urgently want to know what exactly went into this :)
Or in general, more interactive explanation and building videos. I'm not sure if everybody feels like that, but I at least am craving for more information about your optimizing process :)
Like the result and the heat-camera :D
Congrats to 10k subs
Thank you very much!
Love the themal camera view.
love the thermal view!
Thank you!
i just built a V0.1 and I'm still getting used to it. i plan on pushing it, but i barely know how to start tackling that. can't wait to see your how-to.
Most important: Go step by step and you need some good cooling - the stock cooling is not good enough unfortunately. I hope you like the up coming video!
This F-ing benchy is just great to watch but, you got my sub for the casio watch timer (just absolute class) came out just excellent.
That is amazeballs
That's very impressive :)
Thanks a lot 🤩
Amazing results Albert 🤠!!
Hey Maeve, nice to read you and thanks a lot! Did you receive the parcel? I hope it didn't get lost...
@@247printing Yes Albert! Recieved it a week ago. It got sent to the wrong building. I'm away for Christmas break but I am super excited to work with it. I'll send you a photo when I'm back in NYC 😜 Thank you again for everything!
That’s GREAT to hear, please tell me when you go on with your project - I am very interested in conveyor printers ☺️
Awesome. I bet most would be happy to achieve this within an hour of printing time :P
Danke Max! I realized on the Prusa MK3, that an hour is quite easily doable (at better quality than here). The "old world" isn't that bad!
The fanducts on the toolhead direct the flow for the sidebed part cooling fans. Thats baller.
Thanks a lot !
Not bad at all! Nice to see your progress.
Greetings from the Mainsail-Crew 🐰
Greetings my friends and thank you!
Did you check out thenew beta? Might have some interesting featurees for you :)
Woah
That's the first time I've seen a thermal image of a print
More people should do that it looks amazing
Speed and print-quality are really amazing! Is your Voron fixed to the the table or to the wall to reduce wobbling? In the early days of 3D printing some printers were fixed on
concrete block for that reason.
Thanks Thomas! Nope it’s not fixed to the table here, but I widened the stance in comparison to the original V0 ☺️
Amazing 🤩
YOU are amazing!
This is very cool
I shouldn't watch videos like this, now I want an voron... So awesome.
Thank you! Do it ☺️☺️☺️
Nice speed and amazing quality, I really like the idea to use air deflectors instead of actual fans on gaintry! Currently half way thru mine 0.1 assembly and can't wait to try some of the speed printing, tho I am not sure I'll go even close to those speeds... How often you have to tighten everything after this kind of speeds?
Thanks a lot! Have a lot of fun with your V0.1, those Vorons are great machines. I tinkered a lot on my Zero, so it's hard to tell about regular tightening. Not a big issue so far that things come loose.
I love the way you have integrated a flir camera into your workflow. You can see each layer cool before the next layer is laid down, and hear the subsequent fan speed. I have an idea for you, well actually 2 ideas. Idea 1: I would love to see a collaboration video/ project with you and cnc Kitchen. I think you both have content and style that would compliment each other nicely. Idea 2: you should try super cooling with a compressed gas like nitrogen or another non-flammable gas that super cools. Or maybe super cooled air feeding the cooling fans. Anyway, love your videos, keep up the great work!
Just found this and crazy neat to watch 👍👍👍😳😳🤔
Thanks a lot my friend!
So that's what a Benchy Speedrun looks like. Impressive!
Thanks a lot, Matthew! Still room for improvement, but it’s a good start ☺️
Awesome use of FLIR
Thanks a lot! Not happy with the video quality, but awesome to use.
@@247printing Yeah it really helps to clarify how the cooling is working in different parts of the print, which is very educational
I see your running both x and y steppers at their max rating. Has there been any failures from overheating or anything along those lines? Wrapped motor mounts? Etc? Awesome work. These videos further persuaded me to buy a v0. Love that content and all the thoughtful work and effort!
Thank you so much! Have a lot of fun with your V0. I added active cooling to the motors and stepper drivers. The 1.2A here are a sweet spot concerning temperatures/torque. For max performance I go up to 1.7A (torque peaks here). No problems as long as I go fast - going slow overheats the stepper drivers first, because the power is converted to heat when not used for motion. Please be careful when trying this, watch the temps and think about cooling both drivers and motors.
The quality of Benchy surely went up but lets not disregard the increase of video quality. Well done.
Thank you very much!
finally a Benchy that looks accuratly like a Benchy in that amount of time 😀
You should pair with the SloMo Guys or similar, having macro lens slow motion shots of the hot end would be super interesting
I have to watch them - I really want a high speed camera here! Thanks a lot
@@247printing just realized they are at 14 million subs now, so they might be hard to reach... Maybe the "Warped Perception" channel would work better. Sadly all the slow motion channels blew up on TH-cam, so none of them are reachable any more
@@m.sierra5258 oh it’s not my realistic goal to grow that much - I just want to use such cameras 🤩
@@247printing after a little search I found a channel called "juresnip", he published a pretty awesome looking slow motion machining video and a cannon, and has about your subcount. Maybe he would want to collab? Although his last upload was a year ago, so no idea if he still has access to that camera...
It would be worth analyzing the airflow between the two opposing fans. In your set up, I can imagine the turbulence being created in the center (right where the part is being printing) significantly reducing airflow around the freshly painted surfaces. Obviously laminar flow would be the most efficient. But Omni directional may work best if you can make it focus it on the printed part. I might recommend using a larger air compressor with a pressure regulator and high flow Bernoulli nozzle fitted.
Actually turbulent air flow significantly increases the heat convection coefficient. Lamellar flow would slow down cooling. I’m guessing that’s what his point is
Totally amazing and very impressing!
What kind of GT2 belt are u using? Is it a "special" one (glass-fiber core? or coated? etc?)?
Thanks a lot my friend! These are belts from Ruthex (available on Amazon)
Whoa just woah i was really impressed with the 3,27 min one but i like better quality more than speed
Thank you!
At some point it's even better than the best I could get on my first 3D printer Tevo Michelangelo. I have some problems with its hotend so my infill and perimeters are ugly. Now I have a new printer so I upgrade it first
Great Video, I envy the editing and fotography skills ;))
How bad would a 9 min PLA benchy look?
Thanks mate! I bought my first real camera 😂 PLA: You’ll see in my next video I am working on - all testing on PLA benchies and filaments!
That Casio watch! You Hero!
Mr. Tony Stark! YOU are the Hero :-)
I like how you called it a Benchy shaped object because that's all it is.
wow....
Love it I just got an LDO motors 0.1 kit delivered will be building it over my xmas break look forward to my first sub 2 hour bency!! :D :P (ps the auto fans sound amazing very clever, based on layer time?!!)
Have a lot of fun with your kit! Thanks a lot! Yep based on layer time 👍
this is the new era of ultra fast fdm 3d printers
I see you have [gcode_arcs] enabled in your klipper firmware and also use IdeaMaker. Are you using this? If so, how do you enable IdeaMaker to support G02? Also, is there any chance you can show your Start & End G Code? I like how you spit out a blob at the start and want to adjust it for my PETG printers since they ooze so much during warmup and homing.
It’s in the config but at default - I did some experiments on this. Not much change :/
Great video as always!
I'm curious about the awards - Prusa and RatRig but no Voron? 😛
Thanks a lot! Don’t get me wrong: The Vorons are great and I love my V0, BUT. The overall experience (sourcing, building, operating) and performance concerning a DIY printer package is better with RatRig. Prusa is still the best hassle free choice- imho and for me ☺️
A few questions for you and not sure if you have answered them before but
Have you tried Servos instead of steppers ?
And I would assume that it is bolted down or the frame is filled with lead because it would shoot off the table without it .
Thanks 👍
I use the standard Nema14 in combination with a light weight gantry - that is enough. Nema17 or even servos would be overkill and a huge impact for the printer(design). Not necessary imo :) For this benchy no extra weight necessary - the widened stance is enough so far. But for I high speed benchy (like ma 03:27min one) there is some slight movement.
nice. mine does it in 15 mins with similar quality. that'll have to do me for now - anycubic mega s with 1mm tip and volcano nozzle
Albert, how do you control your cooling fans speed - set in in slicer or do you have a script in your printer.cfg? I wonter what's the best way to hook these extra fans to my v0.1 with SKR Mini E3 v2
Hey, that's too much to answer here in the comments. Maybe joing the 247printing discord and ping me - I owe more explanations on that!
shouldn't you flip infill and walls so that the colder air can get there easier?
I'm genuinly impressed by your cooling setuup and the whole rest of the printer, It's amazing
I wonder if you removed the fan and the fan-shrouds, and instead used a second bowden tube for air, with a smaller distribution shroud, and a larger squirrel cage ac fan blowing into it, if that would reduce the time even more.
looks good! Will you get a LGX extruder as next? :) I appreciate details of the setup. I will study them :D
Hey Tomas, did not think about the LGX yet, but I could use a bit more pressure on the bowden for sure!
How long do need (printtime) to get the same quality as the first benchy in the video?
What's the reason for you to go with Ideamaker of all the slicers? What does it have that (Prusa/Super)Slic3r or Cura don't?
You have more control over speeds and accelerations depending on the feature types and it’s quite easy to set for fast printing in general. But I am not sure if it is a really good slicer after all - still figuring out some strange behaviors
Awesome dashboard - shows position, speed and estimates! What is it?
This is a Frontend for Klipper/Moonraker - awesome @mainsail :)
What's your opinion on the limitation of the printer hardware as compared to the ability to remove heat from the plastic? I assume that printing two 4:00 Benchy's at the same time (8:00 plus travel time between the two models) would look better than one 4:00 Benchy because the plastic has more time to cool?
Printing two benchies would definitely help as you more than double the layer time (travel moves add). My cooling is quite powerful and enough for a well-cooled benchy even faster than that one. Only for the smoke stack it's not enough to go faster. So, that might help here, but the speedboat challenge is about printing one 3DBenchy and I stick to that. Concerning quality at speed there are also other issues here: Frame stiffness, shaking bed, extrusion flow rate, bowden downsides, etc. There are solutions for all of those though :) I'll repeat that speed at quality Benchy after I did some updates :)
What material do you use? since this makes a very big difference. The MIT made a similar machine a few years ago but used a material developed for high speeds. I could only recommend amazon basics PLA ( or it seems to be MCPP= Mitsubishi) Material. worked best for me.
ABS+ - better flow and easier to cool than PLA
This is what we want to see with speed !
Thanks Cavin!
Awesome Build 💪💪 Why do you use the Nema14 instead of the OMC Nema17 Motor?
Thanks a lot! The Nema14 are those specified for the Voron0.1. Nema17 maybe in the future, but speed/acceleration is plenty with Nema14 and light weight gantry
@@247printing Thanks for the quick response! I recently watched a video of Th3D for the Ender 6 where he described that the big extruder motor is slower than a smaller motor and he had to change it. I am using Nema17 and was guessing that it is the same case here
What is the electronic device name and brand located on side of build plate in front of your video? Thank you.
It’s an accelerometer: BWT901CL by WitMotion bought on Amazon - so far it works quite well and hassle free
What advantages do you get from running a Bowden setup? Would a direct drive not help with quality, or is the added weight to the hotend not worth it?
I can go higher accelerations in general and higher accelerations without ringing. But true - DD would help for quality and the speed tuning on bowden is really hard (PA)
Very curious about what witmotion does。
Also when trying to get under the 8 minute mark is everyone has to use the same g-code ?
Or can the code be re-written to suit your machine ?
Everyone makes their own gcode afaik. There are procedures knowledge to adapt to your machine. Stop by at our 247printing discord - link on my channel and in the video description!
+1 for the Retro Casio Watch
Not to shabby.
Damned impressive results! While this beachy isn't "perfect" I'd use those settings for like 95% of the stuff I print as fastest time from idea to testing a part is more important than perfect quality. Any layer adhesion issues?
Thanks Marty! I agree, it's way from perfect, but acceptable. I actually had some problems with layer adhesion - the cooling was too strong at times and you can see that it warped a tiny bit - still not there :)
@@247printing there was an industrial 3D printing competition a few years back that had a category for maximum layer adhesion. Competitors got above 90% layer adhesion. One of the commenters sounded like he was on the winning team and he said one secret was massive air flow with air heated to just below Tg. I.e. get the plastic solid ASAP, but keep it as hot as possible to minimize internal stress.
did you tune the settings for individual layers? Would be cool to see a #speedboatrace that was strictly autotuning; in other words, you could make as complex of an algorithm as you wanted, but you wouldn't be allowed to tune on the final print.
I did per layer settings on my 5min benchy - but that was hell of efforts. It makes a lot of sense to use different acc/PA/etc depending on the layer height 👍
Use a water cooled peltier plate to chill the air coming from the side fans
I want to build one of these printers. I love your cooling ducts to direct the air at the nozzle.
Will the frame parts be ok to print out of colorfab XT? ~75c glass transition point. It's similar to PET.
I don't want to print at extreme speeds, just moderate. Do you think 50-100mm/s is achievable when using 3mm filament? I have 50kg of it.
It could be ok to print it from this material, but I would not risk it. The Voron recommendation (ABS/ABS+) makes a lot of sense - above all when building/using it enclosed and concerning stiffness of the parts. 100mm/s shouldn’t be a problem here!
@@247printing
Thanks for the help, I have started to print it with black ABS.
I have used some parts out of clear colorfabb HT instead of XT.
It has glass transition of 100c which should be ok from heat.
Can't get a HW kit until feb so plenty of time to print it all.
are you using closed loop steppers?
Nope, the standard Nema14 steppers
Why do you specify a hold current in your klipper configs? I thought it was generally frowned upon to specify a hold current?
This video is from 2021