GNU | South Africa awaiting cabinet announcement: Prof Chris Landsberg
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- While President Cyril Ramaphosa said parties who signed the Statement of Intent were close to an agreement that will usher in a new era of politics for South Africa, signs of disagreements have surfaced.
Accusations of the ANC's reneging from the agreements by the DA, and threats to pull out have played are playing out in the public domain.
ANC NEC member Ronald Lamola says the DA's demands are outlandish and outrageous, while Nomvula Mokonyane said the party should not impose its demands but appreciate that everyone serves at the president's behest.
With the focus on these two, where does this leave other parties, let's now talk to the Head of Diplomacy and Foreign Policy at the University of Johannesburg, Professor Chris Landsberg to tease out these matters.
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In a coalition, you dont beg. The proportinality is standard. The ANC lost the elections, Ramaphosa is there because of ANC/DA combined vote.
The constitution doesn't allow that. People serve at the behest of the President. That is in the constitution
But the problem president doesn't have a majority to protect him so he is forced to consult those who put him in that position otherwise his job will be very difficult.@@esilevinichronicles4269
@esilevinichronicles4269 true, not in this case though, because anc didn't win outright
@@esilevinichronicles4269 In doing that, you consider who put you there, as they can VONC.
Neither EFF or MK is interested in Ramaphosa. He can hang on for a while, but will leave after worse destruction of the ANC than the 40%
@@ThembaTsela Have you checked what the percentage is for removal of a President, it's not as easy as electing him/her
This prof is ANC cadre. Both parties are responsible for what is happening. But he is only criticizing the DA?
Nope, the Prof is objective; he is saying the reality as it is. It is the DA only, amongst all the members of the GNU, which came out with these ridiculous demands and the ANC responded. The Prof is just stating facts as they are and it is the facts that are putting the superiority complex of the DA in the open for every South African to see.
@@madumanadololo9784 The DA's demands are not ridiculous. According to the election results, if there are 30 cabinet posts, the ANC (40.18%) should have 12 and the DA (21.81%) 7
@@nevillepurdon7678Exactly! And how did this news channel get such a dull and zealous ANC commentator on their show? The DA, according to their proportional representation of one third of the GNU should get a third of the ministerial power. That means not just Mickey mouse ministries but substantial ones also and VP or speaker or the house AT THE MINIMUM!
ANC doesn't have 60% of South Africa confidence to run the country
and the DA ?
@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 According to the election results, if there are 30 cabinet posts, the ANC (40.18%) should have 12 and the DA (21.81%) 7
@@nevillepurdon7678 if the DA pulls out?
@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 then the ANC will pull the EFF in so that they can have over 200 parliamentary votes
Professor, the markets favour the DA because they have proven that they can bring this country back on to its feet. However, I must agree that I too don't like their bossy attitude.
We need clever citizens like you ❤.
I wish people can see that.
We will prosper as a country
DA is very powerful wether we like it or not
Communities warned ANC years back. Your don't care attitude will make you sweat one day. Come 2029,new government will be arresting all those SKELMS.
A gree but anc lost there majority they caint Handel it
@@LeschLouw It simply means majority have lost trust and confidence in the ANC.
@@LeschLouwthe DA will never ever get a majority, ever, as for the ANC, they dead
Why is this done in private? They represent the public, don't they...
21.81 percent of the vote doesn't equate to 21.81 percent of the 30 positions. 40.18 ANC + 21.81 DA + 3.85 IFP = 65.84 . 21.81da / 65.84 total votes = 0.331 , 0.331 x 100 = 33 %.
33% 0f 30 will be 33/ 100 = 0.33X 30 seats = 9.9 seats. Maybe this explains why South Africa is in such a bad state.
That's SA school system l. Country off the last place of educational training in the world. And Zuma cou
And Zuma could not pass gr,4 even with this pathetic level of education
@@fuzyboy45 We, including our Prof, can’t understand the arithmetic here, it’s above our level of understanding…
Why don't we have better DA representation on these shows? It's always skewered towards ANC? It's wrong
What muddled thinking. How can we have a professor who doesn't even have a grasp of std1 arithmetic? Very troubling
"DA wants to downsize cabinet size so they must get 30% of that theoretical downsized cabinet"
What is this school playground level of argument by this professor?
Please leave DA this cannot work out well for you. It will hurt you next elections. The ANC cannot change.
This man is confused - Shem!
@@ChristineKrischker more than confused
ANC and DA will get into the well served table and all other parties will get crumbles
This guys maths.... Laughable. Don't listen to him.
Exactly... his saying that a party like AL JAMA who got less than one percent and expecting a place in the ministry??? this so called analyst is biased!! Does he really believe that only whites voted for the DA??? He is spreading disinformation as everyone else... the DA got 20% of the vote nationally!!! Surely they can MAKE some demands done you think , Prof!!
He's a Professor if you noticed 🙄, joke is on you.
@@everythingelsesport2000 that doesnt take away from his math being incorrect. Joke is on him and you for believing his incorrect calculation. Prof status does not mean he is automatically correct.
@@everythingelsesport2000Numbers don't lie genius. I don't care if he's "professor par excellento extremo". How did this news channel get such a zealous and dull ANC commentator on their show. The DA, according to their proportional representation of one third of the GNU should get a third of the ministerial power. That means not just Mickey mouse ministries but substantial ones also and VP or speaker or the house AT THE MINIMUM!
You have rights to go Zimbabwe way the DA is not stopping you unless
But the DA would strengthen whole government.
To the ANC and the DA, and for the sake of South Africa, this GNU thing can never fail
There are 60 mln registered South Africans we would be failures if our future rests on these overpaid scums who re elected someone who hid $50 000 from SARS. We got this.
Amen... 🙏
ANC also get president, deputy president and speaker. So ANC should share more to DA.
This Guy must be a PA card holder. 🙄 he must have got all his info from them . 😂😂
Where do you get 20%, proportionality of seats is 30%. 8 Cabinet Ministers.
The DA voted in the Presidential, the rest are 1 man parties, how can expect a Cabinet.
They quiet because they don't contribute MPs
Such embarrassing math.
Anc got 40% of the votes and is getting 70% of the cabinet
CANT BELIEVE THE IDIOCRACY AT PLAY
Yes da safe oom c😅 from the wolfs😮
This guy makes no sense, my calculations ANC should get 18, DA gets 9, IFP gets 1, the others get 2.
No Prof... you want a dictatorship from MK and EFF!!! You will become the foreigner in another country😆
DA is power hungry. Their main aim is to dislodge the ANC . It's power struggle.
Yes, finally someone brave enough to mention that the DA get their plans from the USA.
Prof brings so much emotion and bias to his commentary.
Love from India 🇮🇳 that hard luck, however South Africa team did well and reached in Finals for first time in any world cup.
Mk and EFF can you're please take yours votes to add to the ANC 😂so that it can lead us with a peace❤️🔥🛐🛐🛐.
ANC need to swallow its pride and engage Eff n MK
This will not work if you don't remove ramaposa and mbalula, do that and we will definitely cooperate
This guy can't do math.
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I need to do a degree or diploma under him. I hear him.
😂😂😂😂😂THIS WHAT ZUMA WAITING FOR 😂😂😂😂🎼🎼🎺🎺🎺🍾🍾🍾🍾😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow, this guy is so unbiased it is unbelievable.....Not??? HEHE
DANC must kiss my part where the sun don't shine for all I care
i think final mai t20 world cup match mai pich ko lazmi dekhai
I hope and wish DA walk out. Their demands is crazy and the fact that they don't want certain parties in the GNU. Show me they are a selfish party. They must understand they lost majority of their votes too. They must bly still.
Hi sir the da have right to get there seats in gnu 🎉 anc lost😮😮
20% of the votes gets 20% of the cabinet.
Unless if you are ANC with 40% and gets 80% of the cabinet.
What an absolute joke
Lol, he calls himself a Prof with his Zuma mathematics! 30% of 30 😳🤪
This lady is so anti' ANC it not even funny🤷🏾
No,she is just fair and realistig. Its about saving the country thats in a mess. The more you know, the better you'll understand.
Love this prof, much much respect. Seldom do I see such push back against a news reader's sensationalism
ANC need to start real, serious negotiations with its fellow African parties. EFF and MK doors are wide open 😂😂
EFF CULT and MK looters will destroy SA
+-40% ANC
+-22% DA
+-4% IFP
+-2% PA
+-1.5%, VF+
(rest of them)
= not 100%.
=70% +-
So you cant divide the 30 cabinet members as if all the parties in South Africa are in the GNU and it needs to be relative to about 70% of the naional votes. Which gives the ANC 57% relative (40%÷70%x100 =57%) or 17 cabinet positions, and the DA 31% which is 9 cabinet positions +-
This is what happens when you let 30% be your pass for maths 😂
A shame that you have to explain basic math to a prof
@@MHeymannIt boggles the mind! This is junior school level maths and he doesn't get it!!!! Prof my ∆$$
😂The prof is joking, he’s not serious in his analysis… DA is a big player here whether prof likes it or not 😂
Mdu ANC is making them a big player if they can get MK and EFF on board the GNU will move on smoothly. The only thing we need as a country is service delivery and we need it now so DA tactics are irritating all other parties and some of us
@@thulasnkosi9641 yes no one is irreplaceable 😂. Ayehlise umoya iDA.
@@MakaLisa2017 I agree abangenzi as if without them the country won't function isinokudelela lento yabo
@@thulasnkosi9641 and you think MK and EFF will give you service delivery!!! maybe of the VBS kind but here in Ekhuruleni the EFF have destroyed all of that. When DA was in charge it improved a lot but EFF took over and now its facked up.
@@charliepepper3039 by the way I have stayed in Cape Town in Blouberg where service delivery was given to areas like that for years but when you go to areas like Cape Flats and Townships where majority of Capetonians reside it a war zone and no service delivery.
The ANC has failed the people for 30 years, the DA has not pushed enough your guest doesn't understand that the DA is the second biggest party and ANC being the first biggest party it doesn't have the majority to make legislative decisions on it owen for the country. however he wants to look at it and obviously there is some animosity against the DA from the professor and the Assumption that it's not deserving to be in government because it's white led, this attitude has caused 30 years of suffering for the very same majority of this country and will continue if we hold the same views going forward he's ok blaming politicians for not being united and working together this man is a professor and his opinion will not unit anything and I think we should listen and go with what the international markets are saying because we need to be participating more on the international stage and the DA should be involved more on the decision making, also I believe technical the DA should get half of what of positions the ANC gets ANC got 40% of national votes DA got 20% it's only fair
This guy is speaking for his lunch form ANC. 😅😅😅😅😅
Cabinet posts should be shared proportionally to the % votes received. Elementary. Trade n industry and finance must go to DA as cANCer destroyed our country. This will result in economic growth to benefit of all of SA's citizens.
U and yo DA are devils. The stupid ANC got itself in hot water by running away from progressive parties in order to protect Ramadola. They sold out to the devil. The devil now wants everything
The president is still "applying his mind" in other words... " which positions can my corrupt cadres fill that will still keep the gravy train flowing" think of education, policing, energy/mining and all the big buck budgets that have made us billionairs...
😂😂 try to call Rupert the father no answer 😂
Ruperts busy selling off his portfolio in SA. He knows the anc are into their last big loot, after this zim and sa will be one.
So you saying the ANC should get all the cabinet positions then. Or all of consequence? This guy
Anc lost sir so da have the right to there vote
Yes
Hope this prof doesnt teach maths, so why are the DA complaining they only got 20% = 6 ministers. So will the ANC with 40% only have 12? 🤔 and the other 12 ministries? Give them to the other small parties who collectively only make up 10% of the national vote? I dont know if i should feel sorry for the students of this man and understand why so many youngsters in this country is sitting jobless with degrees or should i be swearing at him for insulting the intelligence of us South Africans. He is so clearly bias and can't understand when presenters doesn't challenge them on it. Ps I love Sakina❤
By the prof's argument the ANC should only get 13 or 14 cabinet positions...
@@swartkat4394 🤣🤣 His arithmetic is not make sure…
How many you think they should get?
Leads you to wonder how he became prof
@everythingelsesport2000 according to their share of the vote, which is 11, but they conceded to 8...which the ANC didn't want to accept. Rama-couchmoney countered with 6, but to answer your question, I think they should settle for 7, and the 4 extra they should've gotten should go to the smaller parties to keep it balanced.
@@everythingelsesport2000Firstly, it's hard to imagine that this guy is a professor anywhere. Secondly the DA, according to their proportional representation of one third of the GNU should get a third of the ministerial power. That means not just mickey mouse ministries but substantial ones also and VP or speaker of the house AT THE MINIMUM! If one third of power is not given to the DA, then they should walk away. Also the phala phallus must fall on Cyril!
But but but but...im clueless
It is in the interest for the Anc to bring in more parties to give the Da less seats even though those parties will be irrelevant in government.
This ANC guy 😅😅😅😅😅
Prof is economical with the truth 😂 I think he’s biase in favour of the ANC, I won’t surprised if he’s a PA card carrying member
that's is your narrow analysis the prof is try to decolonize your mind to think outside the box
Completely agree with your observation. The guy is a joke and his bias is glaring.
@@mathabathangoato2100 I don’t mind to have my mind decolonized if there’s something like that as long as it is not biased and pushing a particular narrative…
You are now playing cheap politics broer. Reason, logic and common sense have escaped. You go in hurry to fetch them before they elude forever.
@@charliepepper3039How did this news channel get such a zealous ANC commentator on their show. The DA, according to their proportional representation of one third of the GNU should get a third of the ministerial power. That means not just mickey mouse ministries but substantial ones also and VP or speaker of the house AT THE MINIMUM!
As usual this looks like rogue's gallery, so many unqualified people getting sworn into parliament 😈💯😭
Such an unbalanced analysis. We can all see that dynamics inside ANC is the issue here.
Why behave in a respectable way when dealing with the Disrespectfull ANC who looted and destroyed SA
Can the prof actually count?
What do you expext with our level of education? And then then they want to brag about our school pass rates; eish!!!
Bring on Tony Leon 100% Spot on in his News 24 Article..ANC has failed on clause 24..Which made DA vote with ANC IFP for Parli Seats and President. OMW..
30 years of more cabinet failure of service delivery
The DA is the only hope. The world markets cannot be wrong.
Markets speak for themselves and not for the man in the street
Please sit down and negotiate and do what is best for the people and South Africa.
Make South Africa great again
"Like produces like"
Behave like they behave.
It started at clause 24 of dec of Intent..
CR should be appreciative on DA IFP voting him in as P..Not turn against their partners.
They can't divorce , it's a marriage of convenience till death😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣but thye need the dervoce
@@AlexWilliam1 don't forget the community of property KZN they will both loose big time,MK is waiting for that🤣🤣🤣
Corruption in ANC its so annoying,at kzn emzimkhulu,at marhewini village we choose our councilor then ANC came with thier own,when we told them that we don't want that councilor,she said she gonna lead us by fost,even now she is ANC councilor,we end up voting for DA,da way anc is so corrupt.
The ANC are putting South Africa in a very bad position, they are responsible for this mess.
This guy's dislike of the DA is so obvious. Was there no neutral analyst you could consult.
Ramaphosa didn't write that letter to DA, he only signed and the Lamola thinks ANC is still in charge
Sakina, please bring Prof Friedman to give some free lessons to the PA/ANC Prof
Its tiresome how platforms choose speakers to suit their Narative..In this one Sakina is suprised at some answers.
ANC 40% DA 22%
DA gets just over half of EVERYTHING ANC gets..Thats it . The rest is propoganda..
Are you serious? This guy is a professor?
@@patfourie8196 it’s not make sure…
The man spoke "Jargon Big words " So SABC excluding us that only understand simple plain English
So what society thinking about ANC want the give ANC less vote
Professor you are WRONG
GO ahead ignore our vote
The abyss awaits the country
I think the ANC and DA have reached an agreement & that these leaked letters are nothing but a way of trying to convince us that your negotiations weren't easy.
My thoughts too
How so? any evidence on what you say? That's cheap talk for small minds.
One could see the disappointment written on the Sakinas face, she can't even pretend about her SUPPORT for DA😂😂😂😂
@@shane-uk7on you’re right she supports the voice of reason not this hogwash ntoni ntoni…
@@shane-uk7on Sakina is disappointed at the whole Prof struggling to add arithmetic sums…🤣
@@mduduzithabede1999Exactly! Prof cant do baby maths! Heck! 😂
Sakina is literally the only reason I pay my TV License and I still need to buy expensive data to listen to her since I don't own a TV set.
All that they want is power 🔋 💪 and 👀 👁 😵 money 💰 🤑 💰 💸 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰
20% of the vote nationally but 30% of the votes in the GNU which are dividing up the ministries - comprehension fail from a professor no less. by his rational then ANC will only get 40% of the portfolios which is 12. 12 ANC + 6 DA is 18. What happens to the 12 seats?
If Ramaposha is smart he will dump these devil's Now and form a Unity Government with one of the so called Black Parties do Not and i mean do Not let these people who name themselves after a animal nowhere near POWER or you will Regret it South Africa. All Praises to The Most High ☝🏾❤️
It's not true that the ANC didn't expect challenge from the DA. ANC knows better than us about the characteristics of the DA
DA is consistent,Fair And Accountable AND you cant STAND it😊
The ANC had for 30yr a free lunch, now they have to work for it without knowledge 😂
@@sasha8664fair to the people of Khayelitsha right?
tax payers are paying for all these politicians and there are also the tax payers that pay VAT on everything they buy. That 15% vat on your groceries, petrol and everything. We all pay for politicians to live in luxury.
...prof the other parties has not got a big say , what are you talking about? You are talking all in favour of your vote!
You haven't be there, so dont talk about attitudes of DA. Look the other side to power for...
Simple solution % should be distributed according to each party percentage in ministry
My word hey..Well they right!! We Dont have options..look at their track record!!
This guy is so blatantly one-sided in his view he should not be trying to speak from an impartial standpoint
In other words,Corruption carrys on, allowed.
Jeeesh what maths is this ?
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You remember Mlungisi prof,this guys name is prof also not a real prof
@@GoodmanMthiyane-kh8zm 🤣 Prof Mlungisi Landsberg…
This nonsense professor .who alcohol 😅😅😅😅😅
If DA does not accept the offer from ANC, it must come out of the GNU and takes opposition direction
simple
Must be Zumas brother as his maths is about the same!
Sadly another communist speaking!
The other parties can't really offer anything.
The DA received the halve of the amount of voters the ANC received, what now?
Negotiations in politics are not easy.
One or two seats, can it really be so difficult.
Don't be one-sided.
Sakina is a DA fan, or her boss is a stellenbotch mafia
Talking about policies of the leftist organisations
EFF doesn’t stand for orthodox socialism or communism, the EFF exactly speaks of a state led capitalism, although they might not say it out loud. EFF doesn’t talk about destroying the private sector and free market economy, it simple talks about state playing a pivotal role and controlling some aspects in the economy, we need state led banks (not just 1 bank) to compete with these institutions that are greedy, we need a state controlled construction company, a state controlled mining company etc etc.
Although I am from KZN and I was happy that MK was formed to take votes away from arrogant & incompetent ANC, I don’t want to lie I don’t know what the MK stands for, to me it seems their sole purpose was to dent the ANC and after that they don’t have a clue in what direction they must take
In my opinion the MK should’ve spoke with IFP to form government in KZN but they were busy doing other things
Well on DA, they know exactly that they don’t represent the interests of the majority of South Africans, they support Israel, support global imperialism and I am puzzled how the GNU will work, unfortunately the ANC has lost it credibility as well
Sad how personal attacks can be leveled against a professor, an expert on the topic which he is speaking about! And critique leveled at him linking him to political groups because of his race! This is very telling? We are moving back to racialistic, emotive responses...
We are in danger,no progress in SA.EFF and
Mk ecconomic fighters.,land, resources,are what African people fight for.
Yes in theory..we have Corrupt parties..all saying the obvious but in practice all useless..😢 One wonder what dawn they"l bring to our beloved Country 🇿🇦
Whites have been giving Ramaphosa money and they have the eight to hold him to it.....he must just leave the ANC.😂😂😂
Yes, they need each other, country needs this now.
Lost the point thst IFP, ANC and DA got 65% , yes that's real.