Glad that so many people enjoyed this video. If you want to see me compare Carentan to the Call of Duty Carentan multiplayer map, have a look here: th-cam.com/video/HEZg5THyC2k/w-d-xo.html
In spite of all the inaccuracies incurred by the final edition of "Band Of Brothers"... Almost twenty years after of being released, it's one of the best WWII series ever made!!!
I have watched war and military series, movies etc all my life from a young boy. I was in the British Army Reserve as a young man. I have never seen anything better than Band of Brothers and I have watched it several times over a few years. I will no doubt watch it again. Unequalled in my opinion!
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One of the best? I can't for the the life of me think of a close second. I was in Marine Corps and this beats the Pacific the next best in my opinion
My father was a combat medic that at age 19 landed on Omaha Beach on day 2. His unit got held up in Carentin after the 504 had gone through. Dad was there 3 days and did duty in a hospital set up to evacuate GIs, treat the walking wounded and local people that got wounded. He said he liked the town, was able to sleep in a bed and relax a bit after the chaos of the landing and getting off the beach.
The saddest part of this episode is when Malarkey goes back to England to pick up his laundry, and the lady ask him about the others, the laundry of the men who died in Normandy are still there and Malarkey pays and takes all of it.
Are you sure that is in England? Because that was late in the episode and the lady at the laundry place spoke with an accent like French or Belgian. Seems more like it was a laundry place in France.
@@kingwacky184 So how did Lt. Meehan leave his laundry in Belgium or France when he died in a plane on June 5th? How would any of the soldiers drop their laundry at either of those places when they were still occupied by Germany? Malarky pays with British money and says they won't be back in England for a while.
@@kingwacky184 The accent is very clearly a rural English accent. She also asks for payment in shillings and pence which was how the british pound was split up in the UK at the time.
I think Malarkey did that for a number of reasons. First, as a sign of respect for his fallen comrades. Second, as a way of getting rid of some of the money that he wouldn’t have a use for since they weren’t returning to England. Third, as a way of helping Miss Lamb, the laundress, who may have been taking in soldiers’ laundry to make ends meet.
@@jorge6207 - I actually do have an honorable discharge from US Army, though was never sent to combat. But you have no sense of humor. Hey, I told about my service. What have YOU done for your country? Or are you a summer soldier and sunshine patriot?
I understand that what they did to Blythe was probably the result of a series of mistakes that were not purposely made. It's a shame that they dishonored his service in both WWII and Korea, and afterward
I still don’t understand why they don’t change the post-episodes credits in the versions uploaded to HBO streaming sites. They don’t even have to ‘erase’ the original text. Just add another slide saying “After original release, it was discovered that … “
Of course there were inaccuracies … that comes with trying to recreate history on a grand scale. The one quibble I have is that BoB is still streaming on some major channels and yet that small detail about the year of Blythe’s passing at the end of that particular episode has not been corrected. No wonder the family demanded an apology. To now know his wounds weren’t fatal, he remained in the army, fought another war in Korea, and died not 3 but 23 years after the end of WW2? This is indeed a huge oversight and I wonder why the studio/producers have not yet - even today - corrected it despite continuing to profit from the streaming of this remarkable series.
I wholeheartedly agree, though it is somewhat depressing/sobering to realize that few of us will accomplish as much in our entire lifetimes as these young men did in a fee short years..
@@mr.robinson1982 yeh I think that must be heart wrenching but god bless them , we owe them everything all the old soldiers that served in ww1 and ww11 I am from Glasgow and it makes me thankful.
When I was stationed in West Germany in the late 80s, I had an opportunity to travel the route of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment...it was a sobering experience to see it. Especially knowing my dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge.
I was working as a police sergeant during the time this series premiered. In my 30 years on the job, probably the only days I got off on time were the 10 Sundays this series aired. My wife recorded it for me and I made sure to be home to watch it. We have even watched it in its entirety several times since.
That brings back so many memories seeing Carentan from the time i was there back in 2009 with a group of friends in 3 jeeps and a Dodge Weapons carrier. But that was a great clip and very well done i gotta say. There is actually,..an enormous shed by the side of the railway there along with sidings,..this was used to bring in much needed supplies by rail so Carentan was quite an important town to be captured.
As of this moment, Aug 2020, there are only 2 living veterans of E company. Shames and Freeman. Shames is the last surviving officer. He was pretty much written out of the Band of Brothers book because he didn't participate like the others but he is just as important figure as the others that got the acclaim.
@Claret Mug I read a long time ago in an article that Shames was mentioned a lot in interviews by E company men but barely receives mention in the book, band of brothers. Based on what One e company man said addressing this, Shames did not like Ambrose and was not receptive to Ambrose so Ambrose literally wrote him off. You can even see this in the series. When Winters had to select a new CO for E company, we went through the list of platoons leaders and Shames was mentioned as one who "yells a lot." That's about all we see of Shames.
If he didn't participate then he is not really going to be mentioned in the book. That is logical. There were a hundred plus guys in Easy company at the start and we don't hear from all of them individually. You make it sound like Ambrose deliberately shunned him.
@@howiecourt3445 when you consider all of the original Toccoa men, and then all of the replacements for casualties throughout the course of the war - total E company roster has to be north of 200 men. But how many total officers at the company level? 15? 20? The living officers are your best sources for broad picture information while GIs could provide a lot of "from the foxhole" perspective. Shames wasn't a replacement officer that served for a few weeks with E company and was transfered elsewhere. He was there in the thick of it for the duration of the war. He even volunteered to jump into operation Pegasus which gave him a total of 3 jump stars. Very few 101st men had 3 jump stars at war's end. And Shames didn't leave the Army. He's a retired Colonel with the Army Reserve. Again, my original comment was made from the knowledge of an article i read over 10 years ago and it involved a lot of still living and notable E company men answering the question of why Shames is notably left out of much of the book and especially the mini series. They collectively explained that it wasn't just a luck of the draw thing and Shames got left out. No, there was acrimony between he and Ambrose. There was little left to the imagination. They did not like each other. But in 100% transparency, i'm coming at this biased. I don't care for Ambrose's style and approach in writing. But that is just me and I recognize my opinion matters little. Perhaps it is not germane to the subject but E company wasn't some elite company in the 506th with special training to take on specialized missions. They were a regular rifle company in a regular regiment of the 101st Division. I've read other books by 101st men in the 506th. They all got the shit kicked out of them. Able company really stands out at the bulge. When Easy was setting up a defensive perimeter at Bastogne, Able went beyond Foy to Noville to set up a delaying action to stave off the German advance to give the defenders of Bastogne more time. That action that went on at Noville was insane. Able was all-but decimated. The reason Easy company stands apart from other units is that there were several in the company that kept contact going after the war, unlike most units in WWII. They held regular reunions. They also wrote each other a lot. And as they got older the reunions happened more and more frequently. The former officers were extremely instrumental in supporting this with Winters really leading out. Winters tried to make every reunion and encouraged some to go that never went. Winters really was the glue in all of it. Ambrose visited one of these reunions in 1988 and liked everything he heard and saw and decided to write about that one unit, which is great. I guess my point - without Ambrose writing about Easy, their story would be like millions of others who served. Just a footnote.
All big french town have no explosed american bomb again.. they have rebuilt on it. Sometimes workers find it during a new construction... ww2 and ww1 kill again each year.
Although it had its inaccuracies, they managed to portray the stress and strain of combat on an individual soldier. Unless you’ve experienced it, you’ll never truly know
@@jonathanallard2128 You're complaining about a fictional name, when a lot of Cafe's in Carentan actual use Du instead of De, But maybe you want to try a complete story in Dutch, or German and tell me how that works out.
Excellent video, as always. I watched this episode of BofB again. It was interesting to see how they presented the battle in Carentan compared to the real town and what actually happened there.
The point about downscaling is important. A viewer of the show might be dumbfounded as to how Winters was not hit by the German MG from the cafe. Not realizing that in reality, he was several hundred yards down the road. One might excuse the German MG gunner for not hitting him at that range.
The same can be said for the Omaha scene in SPR. In reality, the stretch up to the shingle was much longer than what is shown in the movie. The German MGs did not ‘point and shoot’ at single individual infantrymen at less than 100m as it appears in the movie. They would’ve had to adjust for elevation quite a bit, as well as use various methods for effective application of fire in order to cover as large an area as possible. Generally speaking, real firefights take place over longer distances than in the movies.
Indeed, Winters was really trying to get the men moving and was astonished that they didn't listen. For the SPR bid, I have a video about that and the walk from the landing point to the single wasn't that far, I have drone footage from the hightide point to the cliff and it's extremely short.
they landed around 635, and that pretty much on the edge of high and low-tide, and from the times I have been to Normandy the high-tide is even still there around 7h.
Good job bro . This is my wife's and mine favorite series, and it was very interesting to see carentan in real life keep up the good work and God bless.maybe I'll buy you a coffee one day myself.
Another incorrect detail was the edelweis on the Fallschirmjager that Blithe shot down. Normally only mountainunits get and have the edelweis on their uniform and Falschirmjagers dont"
@ The U-boat that used the edelweis was U-124 commanded by Lt Cdr, Schultz and later Jochan (sic) Mohr. The reason it appeared on the conning tower was due to the fact that Schultz and his crew on board the U-64 were sunk in a Norwegian fjord in 1940. The crew managed to escapade their sunken vessel and were rescued by members of the German Mountain division based in the same area who wore the flower. The submarine crew adopted the emblem as a way of honoring the unit and for luck when they commissioned the U-124.
Ambrose was famous for getting stuff wrong. His book, “Winged Pegasus,” he pretty much was embarrassed by the number and severity of his inaccuracies and the notoriety from those screw ups caused Winters to deny him access to his men until Ambrose agreed to a much tighter editorial control than Ambrose was used to.
Panzer Picture Ambrose was a fanatic about proving oral history from those at an event was more accurate than what historians had been accepting in the modern era, which usually involves a rigorous cross check and weeding out the inconsistencies in individual accounts. Ambrose was initially trained in historical research focused on populations without a written tradition, and In those populations, oral history tends to be incredibly reliable, as those populations take great care to make sure the oral records are preserved accurately from one generation to the next. Ambrose believed he could do that within cultures with written traditions. His first attempt to use this technique about WW2, “D-Day, 6th of June,” was widely acclaimed, and he began to hype this technique in academic circles. He became increasingly sloppy in his application, and he was sued by more than one soldiers family when “Winged Pegasus” basically defamed some very brave men (it was not intentional, but it was pervasive in the book). D-Day 6th of June was taken from immediate accounts from soldiers off Omaha and Utah, while they were still on hospital ships off the coast. There is still some disagreement on the accuracy of those accounts. S.L.A. Marshall was a particular critic of Ambroses’ approach. The irony is, Ambrose, when forced to use written records and do rigorous cross checking (his book on the Lewis and Clark expedition is considered a masterpiece of historical research), produced works among the most accurate of the late 20th century.
Panzer Picture So, Winters refused to allow Ambrose full editorial control over the book, and got his men to refuse to talk to Ambrose. The deal ended up being, the book was written by Ambrose, at Winters home in Pennsylvania. Winters had full editorial control. The reason Blythe was misrepresented was Blythe disappeared after being shot. Winters actually believed Blythe had died, as every attempt by the rest of the survivors to contact Blythe had failed, and most of the men thought he had died. Hanks and Spielberg then decided, like in the Bastogne episode, to focus on a single character to show the effects of war along a particular theme. Not uncommon. Blythe’s family did not object as vehemently as some have suggested, few of his living family had actually known him, as he died young and in the 1960’s.
Have not read through all of the comments, so perhaps this has been said before. "Lieutenant" Cole was actually a Lieutenant Colonel. He commanded 3rd Battalion of the 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment.
Very well done. A number of years ago I took a train from Paris to Caen where I rented a car and headed to Pegasus Bridge. My plan was to visit Omaha and the sites there and then drive to Sainte Mere Eglise and then head back to Caen for an early evening train. After making it to Ponte du Hoc, I looked at the map and realized I had to drive through Carentan to reach any of the Utah beach sites. I didn't have the time and headed back to Caen to catch my train with only minutes to spare. My point is that you have to be there to fully realize the importance of Carentan during the invasion. There was, of course, no way to link up Utah and Omaha beaches without first taking Carentan. Everyone should make this trip at least once in their life. And when you do, leave enough time for Carentan!
He was extremely scared, if the records are correct but, if they showed that he served in Korea and still was in the army when he died, that would make him look totally different.
Thank you for this. I was fortunate enough to take a small part in the 75th anniversary events last year. We were based out of Carantan and it was amazing to walk in their footsteps.
My father fought as a German paratrooper in Carentan, he was stationed at a crossroads to the west. He was operating a mortar with his squad, the US troops couldn't get through the lines. Then an artillery reconnaissance plane came. My father was injured in the defensive fight, was taken behind the lines to a military hospital. There he later came into contact with a comrade. He told him how lucky my father was to be injured behind the front. Because the Americans couldn't get through, the section of the front was bombed and the area literally ploughed up. After that, the way was clear for the Americans.
Just randomly come across your videos on the suggestions sidebar, watched this and the saving private Ryan video. Great job dude, earned yourself a like and sub 👍
Yes I have a few Pacific videos. Last Zero video th-cam.com/video/2EslPzn19sY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture Okinawa video th-cam.com/video/Vd4nrRwt5qE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture The Last Kaiten Kamikaze Submarine video th-cam.com/video/CurgrH2a2CQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture The Last Chi-Ha Saipan video th-cam.com/video/-z64e2QZCos/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture
Really great video.....I really enjoy seeing what things look like in real life compared to movies or shows. Thank you for sharing, and I look forward to looking at your channel!
I was hoping for more clips as to how Carantan looks today, specific spots like where Lipton got hit, etc. Guess I’ll just have to put that on my bucket list of places to visit!
Thank you for the video and the historical background. Really appreciate your videos. Please try to acclimate the movie volume to your baseline noise floor (speech in) so that it is not so abrasive when watching with headphones or on a HDTV.
Blythe accounted death didn't make sense to me either, this clears it up for me I can't thank you enough. The read was he never got over his wound and died in 1948, that made no sense, you don't live for 4 or 5 years then suddenly die from a wound especially in a hospital. Wow thanks
I'm French and my mother's family is from Lisieux in Normandy. Carentan is approximately 130 km (210 miles) from Lisieux. I know it well. Thanks to GI'S for what they have done for us. It was the America we loved. I'm afraid it no longer exists today. In any case it is not America Woke that we like.
No Jagdpanthers in the American sector in Normandy. In fact none turned up until July, near Caen against the British. Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 653. 17th SS only had Stug IIIs and IVs. Same inaccuracy as Saving Private Ryan showing Tigers. The Americans didn't face any Tigers in France until they neared Paris in late August and came across small numbers of King Tigers from Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 and SS101.
@@PanzerPicture Yeah the Jagdpanther were rare. Only one company in Normandy I believe. There were three battalions of Tigers in Normandy though (nearly 150 Tigers) but they were only in the British/Canadian sector around Caen and beyond. Cheers.
@Bravo232 Hi. The ones that were flipped over from the bombing were with Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 and it was on July 18th during Operation Goodwood. Panzer Lehr supposedly had some Tigers attached but no Tiger Is seem to have got to Normandy with the unit. No photos exist, nor are there any combat deployment records so probably never reached the unit in Normandy. There were five Tiger 2s attached but again they never reached the combat zone and were instead placed in fixed positions away from the front at Dreux. Crazy usage. There are pictures of American troops coming across them already abandoned but they dont appear to have been deployed in combat.
@Bravo232 Yeah but no Tiger Is have ever turned up in combat records, diaries of action or pictures in Normandy. They never reached Normandy in all probability. The Tiger 2s are recorded, photographed and documented in Normandy at Dreaux, but no Tiger Is attached to Panzer Lehr They would have been of great interest to have been photographed, as Panzer Lehr didn't have Tigers. There are stacks of pictures of Panzer Lehr Panthers and Panzer IVs and the Tiger 2s, but not not even one of these mysterious Tiger Is.
Panzer Picture Montgomery's plan, as disclosed at St Paul's School when he briefed the senior commanders was to draw German armour on to the British sector in order to give the US troops to develop their skills and break out from the Carentan peninsula. It worked. When Bradley's operations stalled, Monty did not panic but told him to take the time he needed. Significantly, when Monty died, the message on Bradley's wreath said "dear Monty. Thanks for everything."
The reason some of the characters did things that were done by other men in the unit was..... they filmed two episodes at a time, and some times they could not get the right actor to the right spot, because the characters were required on the other side of the filming compound. Winters and the real men in Easy company were told about this, and they pretty much did not care.
I visited Brecourt Manor which is still a working farm. The set resembled the real Manor quite closely and how much courage it took to storm the position is plainly visible. The trenches are still there although the final position stormed by Spiers' group is now overgrown.
I know there's been knocks on Stephen Ambrose for getting things wrong like Albert Blithe. Soldiers he interviewed thought he had died just like they thought Lt.Robert Brewer did not survive being shot in the neck while standing ahead of his troops (like General Patton) while in Normandy. Just think about this, had it not been for Stephen Ambrose would we have had a Saving Private Ryan since his interview with Don Malarkey started the ideas rolling and without a SPR, would we have had Band of Brothers or known about everyone from Dick Winters on down? I for one am glad of Stephen Ambrose and the books he put out and subsequent books by those members of Easy Company.
Ambrose should have been shamed for his inaccuracies. If you're going to write about history, then its your responsibility to report the truth. Ambrose purposely added or distorted information just to create a good story.
@Brian Haney I agree. His D Day book was gash. Compare that to James Holland’s Normandy ‘44. Which is awesome. There’s an episode of bob where British tanks dont believe there were German tanks in a village and are promptly knocked out. This was untrue as well.
Another good companion piece to read regarding the Normandy D-Day invasion is the book "Currahee" by Donald Burgett. He was a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne division and wrote this book some years before Stephen Ambrose wrote Band of Brothers. He gives his story of going through training and eventually shipping out to England and later dropping into Normandy. His story is an incredible read and his book would stand alone as to his experiences and the things he saw on D-Day and in Normandy.
Just finished reading it as a prelude to my first Normandy visit coming up in two weeks. It is concise and full of incredible action details. Burgett offers a valuable perspective of the bravery and improvisation necessary for the Airborne troops to achieve their objectives. I'm looking forward to seeing the area where he and his comrades performed their heroics.
I remember watching a special on the making of the movie “Patton” and one of the writers bristled at the criticism over the movie’s inaccuracies. The writer said “facts ruin a good story.”
"Gentleman, I have come to the inexcusable conclusion that we have fought this war on the WRONG SIDE! We should have fought WITH the Fascists AGAINST the communists, and not the other way around. I fear in 40-50 years we may pay a dear price for this mistake." ...... General, George Patton. 07-21-1945 Gen. George Patton was Murdered on Dec. 21,1945 by "elements" of Our Own Government, both FDR & Truman were F.Masons.
@@D__Lee The Real Truth Can Hurt for sure, if you Only knew. Read: "American Betrayal" by Diana West 2013, now that Will hurt Everything We were told ...... was a Lie & Propaganda revealed in Soviet archives that were left behind when the USSR went Bust. References confimed.
@@constitution_8939 "References confirmed" in Soviet archives. 😯 LOL. 🤭 You're spewing garbage as truth. In the words of Adi Schicklgruber - *“the bigger the falsehood, the easier it was to get it believed.”* I don't think the "tin foil hat" you're wearing is working.
The accurate thing in this scene is when the guys go to ground and freeze when they come under a fire....i remember being that scared the first time i physically could not move...a nato size 9 up the arse cured that.....but i still wake up 30 years later ashamed.....till valhalla
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍 and Winters was completely astounded and frustrated that he couldn't get them moving, because that never happened before.
@@nuancolar7304 A boot up his ass. You never know what you will do until the fecal matter hits the rotating blades. One of the things beaten into the officer core is: "Even a wrong decision, is better than No Decision." Patton would have phrased it more colorfully, but basically, being reactive in a combat situation means you are losing. You must ACT, and force the enemy to react, in order to even have a chance at achieving victory.
Dont be ashamed, its nature's 'will to survive' taking over... thanks for your service. I've often wondered how I would react...None of us know until it happens....
please don`t ever feel shame.......you did your service & I thank you for it........I hope someday your soul will be at peace with itself, best of everything to you......
I remember seeing an interview with Tom Hanks where he recounted a conversation he had with Dick Winters about the accuracy of the script. He said he told Dick Winters that most war movies are only about 12% accurate. He promise they would strive for 17% on Band of Brothers. Complete accuracy is not what is compelling about Band of Brothers.
I think that's as reasonable as you can be for a mass entertainment. In Apollo 13, for example, there are inaccuracies in the movie that space buffs, including me, could point out. But it's besides the point. And the fact is, if you really showed the reality of war, you would have to show things that were not so heroic as well.
I got to go to these peaceful European cities on business decades later. But these before and after videos put things in perspective My dad was with Patton But I never asked a lot of questions because I was too busy working to think of any smart questions.
i did the research on blythes story years ago. i was just as shocked to find out the truth. i was really upset about blythes death for a long time until i found out it didnt happen!
LTC Robert Cole (3/502nd PIR) lead a bayonet charge (Cole's Charge) on Carentan that caused most of Baron von der Heydte's Fallschirmjaeger Regt 6 to flee their positions during the night, which allowed Easy Co to take Carentan the next morning. LTC Cole was awarded the Medal of Honor, Posthumously, in October 1944 for this and other actions prior to the bayonet charge
Even with the inaccuracies, it was an excellent series. The misinformation on Blythe was terrible. They should have researched it better. Glad to have learned what that finned grenade was. I had never seen one fired from a light field piece.
Yeah, I remember when reading about the Eastern Front the German 37mm couldn't take out a T34 or KV1 so they invented that 'shaped charge' to stay 'effective' against more modern tanks. Of course, MANY years ago, when Borders Books was still 'a thing', I was leafing thru a Panzer Jaeger memoir...I recall that the Germans found another 'stop gap' solution: they'd fire an HE shell at the T34 (or they'd team up with a light howitzer or something) when it was head on to their position and very darned close; the explosion would blow open the front hatch on the hull so before the driver or bow gunner could close the hatch, the Germans had to fire another shell into the open hatch and take out the crew. Of course that meant allowing the Tank to get VERY close to you and hope you shot fast enough and accurate enough to avoid being shot or 'rolled over' by the tank.
I went to school with Blythe's actor - Marc Warren (except his real name is Mark Stephens) in Northampton UK - his younger brother was my friend and lived over the road from me.
I have band of brothers on dvd box set, I will say this, it is the best WW2 series ever made and i love it also lost count how many times i also watched it.
Why is it always dutch people who have alot of intrest in this stuff and make videos about it ( i am quilty of this aswell, the travelling / looking at fact/fiction part i dont make videos about it ) Goede video man, zoals andere reacties hierzo zou ik ook wel meer van dit willen zien.
I like the premise of this video and I think overall what is here is good, but it does leave me wanting a little more. So a little feedback/critique from my end: I think it presumes a little bit too much knowledge tho I can go along with that. What I came into the video hoping to see is more background on specific places, instances, and so-on, and how they compared specifically to scenes and sets made for the series. This video starts to get into that briefly with something like the intersection that Easy encountered, and whether the Café was there, or the town center arches, but we still don't have a sense of where those places are and what makes them significant, other than a broad sketch. We don't really get what the significance is of specific landmarks, what happened there in the battle, and how the way in how it was portrayed in the series may or may not translate correctly. The one thing that always strikes me when seeing videos of battle veterans walking through the old battlefields, especially in Europe, is stories that go something like "I was on this spot, looking down this street, and I saw in those windows two Germans doing such-and-such" And I always appreciated that specific personal touch that the show sometimes would capture and sometimes would not. Maybe more detail comparing specific shots to specific places or images on the map of where these people 'should' have been vs where they're depicted, and so-on. I know this is more editing, but I mostly am missing that what is supposed to be there vs what is shown. All I mostly got was they changed some names and events around, and they made the set much smaller than real life. Understandable, but, lets get down and dirty with it! What might be useful is using more maps and/or aerial photography and highlighting specific places and saying something like "Here is the Town Center. Here's what we see of it in the show, and here's what it looked like during the time, and here's what it looks like today. We know these individuals were approximately in this area of the town center at a certain time and here's what that looks like. We also know the Germans were in this corner, and these specific buildings that exist today were where Easy encountered fire." Then follow it up perhaps with something like "This is the perspective you would have seen if you were with this group, when entering this part of the town, and this is what we see instead in the show; and clearly those buildings should have been about 100 meters away instead." Now, critique aside, this video is still engaging and a good idea; and I really hope to see more of these. I have enjoyed it, and will be checking out other stuff on the channel.
You pretty much stated the problem already with your statements. A bigger video is impossible the set shows only a few parts that can be recognized in real life, most of the other buildings are fiction and the set layout is only based on one street. A set street which only 2 buildings being based on real buildings.
@@PanzerPicture yeah thinking back on it i think maybe what I was hoping for was something like "here's what BoB 'Should' have shown us if it was truly accurate, and true to scale: let's compare that to what we got" and I think the way you structured it, was more along the lines of "here's what we were shown, and let's run through how those sets and scenes might relate to the real place/events, if at all." And as you say, since they compressed so much of it down for pragmatic reasons, there's only a few things to look at, when you take it through the lens of BoB they can only show a few highlights. And then we have little to correlate it to, what few realistic places we can identify is still questionable . So contrast that to, if we instead look at it all though the lens of the actual entire town and the battle, and then try to find in that tableau the few snippets that were put into the show; well, you can see the scale more for what it is from that framing since it contextualizes those compressed moments within the full scale. I think it definitely reveals a different thing based on that initial framing.
Love the part where Luz yells " I have no idea." Rick Gomez delivered the line so perfect it felt like "Luz" was yelling it out from his heart. His body language also gives me vibes like he's saying it in the manner of "What makes you think I have the answer, I'm kidna busy here if you can't see." Which probably is something George Luz could had felt, as the sheer confusion and panic on the situation is really making your heart beat bump while you're justy trying to wrap your head around what's happenning and same time survive. In overall the whole small scene is just perfect and one of my favorite moments from Band of Brothers.
The funny thing about this about is the first episode that I notice the weapon. The part where one of the characters puts two rounds into the shed. I was taken about aback. When I first saw that I didn't know what kind of weapon he was using. I had to rewind the scene just to see if he reload fast or something. It was until I looked up US weapons and found out that this was the M1 Garand. I should put out there that this was way before youtube most likely around 2003 or something.
Garand always has that *clink* sound when the magazine ejects. Iconic weapon, I know some people are able to buy them in the US still that are functional..there's youtube channels showing people shooting them.
Thank you to all the young men who fuatght and died for their country it's the old and rich who create war but it's the young who pay the ultilmunt prise😞
I live 2 km from DZ "A" in Ravenoville. Not working at the moment but I am a Normandy Battlefield Guide been doing this for my work for 10 years, I will tell you in person what I think of your video if you come to Normandy again.
@@jonathanallard2128 ..I also play combat flight sims. Dart is short for "Lawn Dart " as I tended to bury my plane in the dirt a lot when I first started. The " von " is because I normally fly a BF 109 G2.
Listen to the opening lyrics to the theme song...I was drafted into the Vietnam War. I served with young men anyone of who are represented in the movie. Too often I am moved to tears as I listen to the opening lyrics...RIP you young men RIP
Ah I always wondered why the german got shot. Yeah I guess not surrendering and then suddenly trowing up your hands expecting to live does get you a bullet trough your chest
During the hedge row firefight towards the end apparently there where no Jagdpanther in the attack the only ones seen where fighting the British and Canadians?
Glad that so many people enjoyed this video.
If you want to see me compare Carentan to the Call of Duty Carentan multiplayer map, have a look here: th-cam.com/video/HEZg5THyC2k/w-d-xo.html
This one was great!
In spite of all the inaccuracies incurred by the final edition of "Band Of Brothers"...
Almost twenty years after of being released, it's one of the best WWII series ever made!!!
Not one of, it is the best ever made
agreed
I have watched war and military series, movies etc all my life from a young boy. I was in the British Army Reserve as a young man. I have never seen anything better than Band of Brothers and I have watched it several times over a few years. I will no doubt watch it again.
Unequalled in my opinion!
One of the best? I can't for the the life of me think of a close second. I was in Marine Corps and this beats the Pacific the next best in my opinion
@Ken Penalosa the Thin Red Line was great I totally agree with you.
My father was a combat medic that at age 19 landed on Omaha Beach on day 2. His unit got held up in Carentin after the 504 had gone through. Dad was there 3 days and did duty in a hospital set up to evacuate GIs, treat the walking wounded and local people that got wounded. He said he liked the town, was able to sleep in a bed and relax a bit after the chaos of the landing and getting off the beach.
Thank you for the great story, I heard more story about Carentan being a nice place to be after the liberation.
@@PanzerPicture Carentan restaurants close for lunch. Classic France.
The saddest part of this episode is when Malarkey goes back to England to pick up his laundry, and the lady ask him about the others, the laundry of the men who died in Normandy are still there and Malarkey pays and takes all of it.
Are you sure that is in England? Because that was late in the episode and the lady at the laundry place spoke with an accent like French or Belgian. Seems more like it was a laundry place in France.
@@kingwacky184 So how did Lt. Meehan leave his laundry in Belgium or France when he died in a plane on June 5th? How would any of the soldiers drop their laundry at either of those places when they were still occupied by Germany? Malarky pays with British money and says they won't be back in England for a while.
@@johnharris6655 You are Very right. I did not think about that. I only focused on the accent but You are of course 100% correct!
@@kingwacky184 The accent is very clearly a rural English accent. She also asks for payment in shillings and pence which was how the british pound was split up in the UK at the time.
I think Malarkey did that for a number of reasons.
First, as a sign of respect for his fallen comrades.
Second, as a way of getting rid of some of the money that he wouldn’t have a use for since they weren’t returning to England.
Third, as a way of helping Miss Lamb, the laundress, who may have been taking in soldiers’ laundry to make ends meet.
They say that Blythe died in 1948, but was still able to fight in Korea. Now that's a man. He even died again in 1967, this time for real.
he showed the way. Then (only on the screen, though) Sean Bean improved this trick to perfection.
And he probably voted last week in Wisconsin !
And Blythe voted for Biden in 2020! They don't make them like that anymore.
@@corn_pop6082 Total loser. Would die for his country? Volunteered for WW2 and Korea? Absolute loser...
@@jorge6207 - I actually do have an honorable discharge from US Army, though was never sent to combat. But you have no sense of humor. Hey, I told about my service. What have YOU done for your country? Or are you a summer soldier and sunshine patriot?
what they did to Blythe was nothing short of scandalous,his family quite rightly asked for and were given an apology.
Would be really awkward to see something on the TV about your grandfather or uncle and then at the end seeing he died.
I understand that what they did to Blythe was probably the result of a series of mistakes that were not purposely made. It's a shame that they dishonored his service in both WWII and Korea, and afterward
@@nonamesplease6288 what if he didn't die in the 1960s and he was watching this episode, it would have been really awkward.
I still don’t understand why they don’t change the post-episodes credits in the versions uploaded to HBO streaming sites. They don’t even have to ‘erase’ the original text. Just add another slide saying “After original release, it was discovered that … “
@@pattonorr7572 money and they just don't care about anything.
Of course there were inaccuracies … that comes with trying to recreate history on a grand scale. The one quibble I have is that BoB is still streaming on some major channels and yet that small detail about the year of Blythe’s passing at the end of that particular episode has not been corrected. No wonder the family demanded an apology. To now know his wounds weren’t fatal, he remained in the army, fought another war in Korea, and died not 3 but 23 years after the end of WW2?
This is indeed a huge oversight and I wonder why the studio/producers have not yet - even today - corrected it despite continuing to profit from the streaming of this remarkable series.
Loved Band of Brothers actually made me cry watching it just amazing to listen to these old soldiers and what they did for us ❤️
I wholeheartedly agree, though it is somewhat depressing/sobering to realize that few of us will accomplish as much in our entire lifetimes as these young men did in a fee short years..
The sacrifice made by others always makes my cry when I see or think of Arlington National Cemetery... THOSE WERE THE REAL LIFE HEROES.
@@mr.robinson1982 yeh I think that must be heart wrenching but god bless them , we owe them everything all the old soldiers that served in ww1 and ww11 I am from Glasgow and it makes me thankful.
When you mentioned Hill 30 I got some crazy Brothers In Arms flashbacks of Baker and Legget
I really need to make a video about that game and Hill 30.
@@PanzerPicture Fantastic game Brothers in Arms, shame we never got Snow..... : (
one of the best games i ever played
@Michael O'malley Sadly they totally destroyed their franchise with the third game.
@@PanzerPicture yes that was what i mean, did you not get my reference?
When I was stationed in West Germany in the late 80s, I had an opportunity to travel the route of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment...it was a sobering experience to see it. Especially knowing my dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge.
I was working as a police sergeant during the time this series premiered. In my 30 years on the job, probably the only days I got off on time were the 10 Sundays this series aired. My wife recorded it for me and I made sure to be home to watch it. We have even watched it in its entirety several times since.
Our family, too, the entire series over and over, at least once a year. My dad served in Europe WWI, my brother in the Pacific, WWII.
That brings back so many memories seeing Carentan from the time i was there back in 2009 with a group of friends in 3 jeeps and a Dodge Weapons carrier. But that was a great clip and very well done i gotta say. There is actually,..an enormous shed by the side of the railway there along with sidings,..this was used to bring in much needed supplies by rail so Carentan was quite an important town to be captured.
I'm envious. I'd love to go there and see some of the places where these brave young men made history.
Wow! Thank you algorithm, better late then never!
Great video, really well made....I'm looking forward to explore the others.
As of this moment, Aug 2020, there are only 2 living veterans of E company. Shames and Freeman. Shames is the last surviving officer. He was pretty much written out of the Band of Brothers book because he didn't participate like the others but he is just as important figure as the others that got the acclaim.
@Claret Mug I read a long time ago in an article that Shames was mentioned a lot in interviews by E company men but barely receives mention in the book, band of brothers. Based on what One e company man said addressing this, Shames did not like Ambrose and was not receptive to Ambrose so Ambrose literally wrote him off. You can even see this in the series. When Winters had to select a new CO for E company, we went through the list of platoons leaders and Shames was mentioned as one who "yells a lot." That's about all we see of Shames.
He already has a book.
Claret Mug “Airborne: The Combat Story of Ed Shames of Easy Company” by Ian Gardner
If he didn't participate then he is not really going to be mentioned in the book. That is logical. There were a hundred plus guys in Easy company at the start and we don't hear from all of them individually. You make it sound like Ambrose deliberately shunned him.
@@howiecourt3445 when you consider all of the original Toccoa men, and then all of the replacements for casualties throughout the course of the war - total E company roster has to be north of 200 men. But how many total officers at the company level? 15? 20? The living officers are your best sources for broad picture information while GIs could provide a lot of "from the foxhole" perspective. Shames wasn't a replacement officer that served for a few weeks with E company and was transfered elsewhere. He was there in the thick of it for the duration of the war. He even volunteered to jump into operation Pegasus which gave him a total of 3 jump stars. Very few 101st men had 3 jump stars at war's end. And Shames didn't leave the Army. He's a retired Colonel with the Army Reserve. Again, my original comment was made from the knowledge of an article i read over 10 years ago and it involved a lot of still living and notable E company men answering the question of why Shames is notably left out of much of the book and especially the mini series. They collectively explained that it wasn't just a luck of the draw thing and Shames got left out. No, there was acrimony between he and Ambrose. There was little left to the imagination. They did not like each other. But in 100% transparency, i'm coming at this biased. I don't care for Ambrose's style and approach in writing. But that is just me and I recognize my opinion matters little.
Perhaps it is not germane to the subject but E company wasn't some elite company in the 506th with special training to take on specialized missions. They were a regular rifle company in a regular regiment of the 101st Division. I've read other books by 101st men in the 506th. They all got the shit kicked out of them. Able company really stands out at the bulge. When Easy was setting up a defensive perimeter at Bastogne, Able went beyond Foy to Noville to set up a delaying action to stave off the German advance to give the defenders of Bastogne more time. That action that went on at Noville was insane. Able was all-but decimated. The reason Easy company stands apart from other units is that there were several in the company that kept contact going after the war, unlike most units in WWII. They held regular reunions. They also wrote each other a lot. And as they got older the reunions happened more and more frequently. The former officers were extremely instrumental in supporting this with Winters really leading out. Winters tried to make every reunion and encouraged some to go that never went. Winters really was the glue in all of it. Ambrose visited one of these reunions in 1988 and liked everything he heard and saw and decided to write about that one unit, which is great. I guess my point - without Ambrose writing about Easy, their story would be like millions of others who served. Just a footnote.
I visited carentan and stood under that archway in the town by the ww1 statue , there were bullet holes in it if you look closely.
I saw a video of guy touring bastogne or foy, i forget which one it was and the bullet holes were clearly still there
All big french town have no explosed american bomb again.. they have rebuilt on it. Sometimes workers find it during a new construction... ww2 and ww1 kill again each year.
This was awesome. Thanks for taking the time to make it. Really, really appreciate your work.
You're welcome. 👍 👍
Although it had its inaccuracies, they managed to portray the stress and strain of combat on an individual soldier. Unless you’ve experienced it, you’ll never truly know
Sure, would love to buy you a coffee. How about meeting at Cafe du Normandie in Carantan?
A bit to many Germans for my taste.
@@PanzerPicture Don't be stupid and hatefull, they were great soldiers not monsters
@@Samsok013 try and tell them that in Cafe Du Normandy in 1944.
Stan some of them from both sides were both great soldiers and monsters it’s called war
@@jonathanallard2128 You're complaining about a fictional name, when a lot of Cafe's in Carentan actual use Du instead of De, But maybe you want to try a complete story in Dutch, or German and tell me how that works out.
Excellent video, as always. I watched this episode of BofB again. It was interesting to see how they presented the battle in Carentan compared to the real town and what actually happened there.
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍 and yes it's really interesting to see the difference.
The point about downscaling is important. A viewer of the show might be dumbfounded as to how Winters was not hit by the German MG from the cafe. Not realizing that in reality, he was several hundred yards down the road. One might excuse the German MG gunner for not hitting him at that range.
The same can be said for the Omaha scene in SPR. In reality, the stretch up to the shingle was much longer than what is shown in the movie. The German MGs did not ‘point and shoot’ at single individual infantrymen at less than 100m as it appears in the movie. They would’ve had to adjust for elevation quite a bit, as well as use various methods for effective application of fire in order to cover as large an area as possible.
Generally speaking, real firefights take place over longer distances than in the movies.
Indeed, Winters was really trying to get the men moving and was astonished that they didn't listen. For the SPR bid, I have a video about that and the walk from the landing point to the single wasn't that far, I have drone footage from the hightide point to the cliff and it's extremely short.
@@PanzerPicture but weren't the dat landings during low tide?
they landed around 635, and that pretty much on the edge of high and low-tide, and from the times I have been to Normandy the high-tide is even still there around 7h.
@@PanzerPicture oh , dat wist ik niet. Dankjewel voor de informatie!
Good job bro . This is my wife's and mine favorite series, and it was very interesting to see carentan in real life keep up the good work and God bless.maybe I'll buy you a coffee one day myself.
Nice hand drawn graphics, always a pleasure to look at.
Thank you! Cheers!
Great. Thank you. This channel should explode soon if you keep up the good work.
Thank you for the comment, and I hope it will explode :)
Another incorrect detail was the edelweis on the Fallschirmjager that Blithe shot down. Normally only mountainunits get and have the edelweis on their uniform and Falschirmjagers dont"
Indeed, they're the GebirgsJager units.
@@PanzerPicture yeah I don't know the German name of them. But thanks for the response.
Actually it would be plausible for one of 6th fallschirmjagers to have one as they fought alongside the 3rd mountain division in 1940.
@ The U-boat that used the edelweis was U-124 commanded by Lt Cdr, Schultz and later Jochan (sic) Mohr. The reason it appeared on the conning tower was due to the fact that Schultz and his crew on board the U-64 were sunk in a Norwegian fjord in 1940. The crew managed to escapade their sunken vessel and were rescued by members of the German Mountain division based in the same area who wore the flower. The submarine crew adopted the emblem as a way of honoring the unit and for luck when they commissioned the U-124.
@@PanzerPicture The edelweiss was the official insigna for one of them too, iirc
My favourite TV series of all time. Watched it through 10 plus times, never gets old.
Really enjoyed the video thank you.
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
It was actually called Café du Stade translation being "Stadium Cafe."
Ambrose was famous for getting stuff wrong. His book, “Winged Pegasus,” he pretty much was embarrassed by the number and severity of his inaccuracies and the notoriety from those screw ups caused Winters to deny him access to his men until Ambrose agreed to a much tighter editorial control than Ambrose was used to.
Interesting I did not know that, thank you for sharing.
Panzer Picture Ambrose was a fanatic about proving oral history from those at an event was more accurate than what historians had been accepting in the modern era, which usually involves a rigorous cross check and weeding out the inconsistencies in individual accounts. Ambrose was initially trained in historical research focused on populations without a written tradition, and In those populations, oral history tends to be incredibly reliable, as those populations take great care to make sure the oral records are preserved accurately from one generation to the next. Ambrose believed he could do that within cultures with written traditions. His first attempt to use this technique about WW2, “D-Day, 6th of June,” was widely acclaimed, and he began to hype this technique in academic circles. He became increasingly sloppy in his application, and he was sued by more than one soldiers family when “Winged Pegasus” basically defamed some very brave men (it was not intentional, but it was pervasive in the book). D-Day 6th of June was taken from immediate accounts from soldiers off Omaha and Utah, while they were still on hospital ships off the coast. There is still some disagreement on the accuracy of those accounts. S.L.A. Marshall was a particular critic of Ambroses’ approach. The irony is, Ambrose, when forced to use written records and do rigorous cross checking (his book on the Lewis and Clark expedition is considered a masterpiece of historical research), produced works among the most accurate of the late 20th century.
Panzer Picture So, Winters refused to allow Ambrose full editorial control over the book, and got his men to refuse to talk to Ambrose. The deal ended up being, the book was written by Ambrose, at Winters home in Pennsylvania. Winters had full editorial control. The reason Blythe was misrepresented was Blythe disappeared after being shot. Winters actually believed Blythe had died, as every attempt by the rest of the survivors to contact Blythe had failed, and most of the men thought he had died. Hanks and Spielberg then decided, like in the Bastogne episode, to focus on a single character to show the effects of war along a particular theme. Not uncommon. Blythe’s family did not object as vehemently as some have suggested, few of his living family had actually known him, as he died young and in the 1960’s.
wait... WINGED Peagasus is the title? Aren't all (healthy) pegasi winged? That winged-ness makes them pegasi.
that's a weird title
@Brian Haney that hack set the foundations for this series.
Have not read through all of the comments, so perhaps this has been said before. "Lieutenant" Cole was actually a Lieutenant Colonel. He commanded 3rd Battalion of the 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment.
It's actually stated as a pinned comment.
Best series ever made! Great work!
I searched and searched for the MG position at the T junction. Thanks for showing me!
Hey man, awesome video! Really interesting comparing real facts with a non-fiction form of entertainment.
Thank you for the comment Delco, glad you enjoyed the video.
Very well done. A number of years ago I took a train from Paris to Caen where I rented a car and headed to Pegasus Bridge. My plan was to visit Omaha and the sites there and then drive to Sainte Mere Eglise and then head back to Caen for an early evening train. After making it to Ponte du Hoc, I looked at the map and realized I had to drive through Carentan to reach any of the Utah beach sites. I didn't have the time and headed back to Caen to catch my train with only minutes to spare. My point is that you have to be there to fully realize the importance of Carentan during the invasion. There was, of course, no way to link up Utah and Omaha beaches without first taking Carentan. Everyone should make this trip at least once in their life. And when you do, leave enough time for Carentan!
Amazed at what they did to Blythe. They made him seem like a pathetic draftee, not a committed lifer.
He was extremely scared, if the records are correct but, if they showed that he served in Korea and still was in the army when he died, that would make him look totally different.
As I wrote above, Blythe made another mark by voting for Biden in 2020!
@@corn_pop6082 true story
@@corn_pop6082 Ahh so he's not a smart man.
@@corn_pop6082 Here comes the political shit where it isn't needed, as usual.
Nicely done Sir 👏 thank you.
Thank you for this. I was fortunate enough to take a small part in the 75th anniversary events last year. We were based out of Carantan and it was amazing to walk in their footsteps.
Glad you enjoyed watching.
My father fought as a German paratrooper in Carentan, he was stationed at a crossroads to the west. He was operating a mortar with his squad, the US troops couldn't get through the lines. Then an artillery reconnaissance plane came. My father was injured in the defensive fight, was taken behind the lines to a military hospital. There he later came into contact with a comrade. He told him how lucky my father was to be injured behind the front. Because the Americans couldn't get through, the section of the front was bombed and the area literally ploughed up. After that, the way was clear for the Americans.
Im watching Band of Brothers for the eight time! I absolutely love this mini-serie
Just randomly come across your videos on the suggestions sidebar, watched this and the saving private Ryan video. Great job dude, earned yourself a like and sub 👍
Thank you for the comment and sub, I'm glad you enjoy watching the videos.
@@PanzerPicture very busy with work at the minute, will have to have a binge all of your vids, do you have any videos for the Pacific?
Yes I have a few Pacific videos.
Last Zero video th-cam.com/video/2EslPzn19sY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture
Okinawa video th-cam.com/video/Vd4nrRwt5qE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture
The Last Kaiten Kamikaze Submarine video th-cam.com/video/CurgrH2a2CQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture
The Last Chi-Ha Saipan video th-cam.com/video/-z64e2QZCos/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PanzerPicture
@@PanzerPicture Legend! 🙏 thanks dude
You're welcome.
Really interesting video thank you and keep up the good work
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍 👍
Really great video.....I really enjoy seeing what things look like in real life compared to movies or shows. Thank you for sharing, and I look forward to looking at your channel!
I was hoping for more clips as to how Carantan looks today, specific spots like where Lipton got hit, etc. Guess I’ll just have to put that on my bucket list of places to visit!
Going to do some more Videos on Carentan, but Lipton got hit in town center at 7:09
Thank you for the video and the historical background. Really appreciate your videos. Please try to acclimate the movie volume to your baseline noise floor (speech in) so that it is not so abrasive when watching with headphones or on a HDTV.
If it’s possible for you would you be able to do this for the assault on Foy?
Yes, that's really one my to do list, and would be so awesome to do.
@George Robartes The foxholes are fake, most of the forest has been cut down 2 times already.
Excellent video from you!
Mostly filmed on an old airfield near my home, as was Saving Private Ryan.
David Stuckey Very cool!
@@JesusFriedChrist Filmed on Hatfield Aerodrome in the UK. I even saw them filming the end of Private Ryan where the P51's kept swooping down.
Blythe accounted death didn't make sense to me either, this clears it up for me I can't thank you enough. The read was he never got over his wound and died in 1948, that made no sense, you don't live for 4 or 5 years then suddenly die from a wound especially in a hospital. Wow thanks
“Would that be the enemy?”
“As a matter of fact, yes.”
Classic.
Have been watching Band of brothers numerous times and now this clip making me wanting to visit Carentan!
I'm French and my mother's family is from Lisieux in Normandy. Carentan is approximately 130 km (210 miles) from Lisieux. I know it well. Thanks to GI'S for what they have done for us. It was the America we loved. I'm afraid it no longer exists today. In any case it is not America Woke that we like.
There will always be a certain amount of “Hollywooding” in movies. Maria von Trapp was the first person I heard use that term. Great video!
No Jagdpanthers in the American sector in Normandy. In fact none turned up until July, near Caen against the British. Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 653. 17th SS only had Stug IIIs and IVs.
Same inaccuracy as Saving Private Ryan showing Tigers. The Americans didn't face any Tigers in France until they neared Paris in late August and came across small numbers of King Tigers from Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 and SS101.
They were extremely rare.
@@PanzerPicture Yeah the Jagdpanther were rare. Only one company in Normandy I believe. There were three battalions of Tigers in Normandy though (nearly 150 Tigers) but they were only in the British/Canadian sector around Caen and beyond.
Cheers.
@Bravo232 Hi.
The ones that were flipped over from the bombing were with Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 and it was on July 18th during Operation Goodwood.
Panzer Lehr supposedly had some Tigers attached but no Tiger Is seem to have got to Normandy with the unit. No photos exist, nor are there any combat deployment records so probably never reached the unit in Normandy. There were five Tiger 2s attached but again they never reached the combat zone and were instead placed in fixed positions away from the front at Dreux. Crazy usage. There are pictures of American troops coming across them already abandoned but they dont appear to have been deployed in combat.
@Bravo232 Yeah but no Tiger Is have ever turned up in combat records, diaries of action or pictures in Normandy. They never reached Normandy in all probability. The Tiger 2s are recorded, photographed and documented in Normandy at Dreaux, but no Tiger Is attached to Panzer Lehr
They would have been of great interest to have been photographed, as Panzer Lehr didn't have Tigers. There are stacks of pictures of Panzer Lehr Panthers and Panzer IVs and the Tiger 2s, but not not even one of these mysterious Tiger Is.
Panzer Picture Montgomery's plan, as disclosed at St Paul's School when he briefed the senior commanders was to draw German armour on to the British sector in order to give the US troops to develop their skills and break out from the Carentan peninsula. It worked. When Bradley's operations stalled, Monty did not panic but told him to take the time he needed. Significantly, when Monty died, the message on Bradley's wreath said "dear Monty. Thanks for everything."
Wow I never knew that about Blythe..awesome work my man.
Ambrose never let the truth get in the way of a good story
Super danke
My new favourite channel!! Great job! Subscribed!
Thank you for the comment and sub.
The reason some of the characters did things that were done by other men in the unit was..... they filmed two episodes at a time, and some times they could not get the right actor to the right spot, because the characters were required on the other side of the filming compound. Winters and the real men in Easy company were told about this, and they pretty much did not care.
Thank you for the information I did not know this and it can actually be a logical explanation.
@@PanzerPicture That's actually not too accurate
wow you really did your homework and knowledgeable on your facts!
Band of Brothers is so great, even the dislikers of the genre say "Hmmm... That's not bad."
IF they watch an episode for some reason
Very cool video, been a long time fan of BoB! Earned a subscriber !
Really great job
Thank you 👍 👍 for the comment 👍 👍
I visited Brecourt Manor which is still a working farm. The set resembled the real Manor quite closely and how much courage it took to storm the position is plainly visible. The trenches are still there although the final position stormed by Spiers' group is now overgrown.
I know there's been knocks on Stephen Ambrose for getting things wrong like Albert Blithe. Soldiers he interviewed thought he had died just like they thought Lt.Robert Brewer did not survive being shot in the neck while standing ahead of his troops (like General Patton) while in Normandy. Just think about this, had it not been for Stephen Ambrose would we have had a Saving Private Ryan since his interview with Don Malarkey started the ideas rolling and without a SPR, would we have had Band of Brothers or known about everyone from Dick Winters on down? I for one am glad of Stephen Ambrose and the books he put out and subsequent books by those members of Easy Company.
Ambrose should have been shamed for his inaccuracies. If you're going to write about history, then its your responsibility to report the truth. Ambrose purposely added or distorted information just to create a good story.
@Brian Haney - You have any links to that?
@Brian Haney I agree. His D Day book was gash. Compare that to James Holland’s Normandy ‘44. Which is awesome. There’s an episode of bob where British tanks dont believe there were German tanks in a village and are promptly knocked out. This was untrue as well.
Another good companion piece to read regarding the Normandy D-Day invasion is the book "Currahee" by Donald Burgett. He was a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne division and wrote this book some years before Stephen Ambrose wrote Band of Brothers. He gives his story of going through training and eventually shipping out to England and later dropping into Normandy. His story is an incredible read and his book would stand alone as to his experiences and the things he saw on D-Day and in Normandy.
Just finished reading it as a prelude to my first Normandy visit coming up in two weeks. It is concise and full of incredible action details. Burgett offers a valuable perspective of the bravery and improvisation necessary for the Airborne troops to achieve their objectives. I'm looking forward to seeing the area where he and his comrades performed their heroics.
I remember watching a special on the making of the movie “Patton” and one of the writers bristled at the criticism over the movie’s inaccuracies. The writer said “facts ruin a good story.”
Tell that to Audie Murphy, who had to TONE DOWN his story for film so people would believe it.
"Gentleman, I have come to the inexcusable conclusion that we have fought this war on the WRONG SIDE! We should have fought WITH the Fascists AGAINST the communists, and not the other way around. I fear in 40-50 years we may pay a dear price for this mistake."
...... General, George Patton. 07-21-1945
Gen. George Patton was Murdered on Dec. 21,1945 by "elements" of Our Own Government, both FDR & Truman were F.Masons.
@@constitution_8939 You’re wearing your “tin foil hat” too tight. 🤡☠️👽
@@D__Lee The Real Truth Can Hurt for sure, if you Only knew.
Read: "American Betrayal" by Diana West 2013, now that Will hurt Everything We were told ...... was a Lie & Propaganda revealed in Soviet archives that were left behind when the USSR went Bust.
References confimed.
@@constitution_8939 "References confirmed" in Soviet archives. 😯 LOL. 🤭 You're spewing garbage as truth. In the words of Adi Schicklgruber - *“the bigger the falsehood, the easier it was to get it believed.”*
I don't think the "tin foil hat" you're wearing is working.
Bill Guarneer and Babe Heffron mistakenly remembered going to Blithe's funeral in 1948. That was the reason for that mistake.
The accurate thing in this scene is when the guys go to ground and freeze when they come under a fire....i remember being that scared the first time i physically could not move...a nato size 9 up the arse cured that.....but i still wake up 30 years later ashamed.....till valhalla
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍 and Winters was completely astounded and frustrated that he couldn't get them moving, because that never happened before.
"nato size 9?"
@@nuancolar7304 A boot up his ass.
You never know what you will do until the fecal matter hits the rotating blades.
One of the things beaten into the officer core is: "Even a wrong decision, is better than No Decision."
Patton would have phrased it more colorfully, but basically, being reactive in a combat situation means you are losing.
You must ACT, and force the enemy to react, in order to even have a chance at achieving victory.
Dont be ashamed, its nature's 'will to survive' taking over... thanks for your service. I've often wondered how I would react...None of us know until it happens....
please don`t ever feel shame.......you did your service & I thank you for it........I hope someday your soul will be at peace with itself, best of everything to you......
Hindsight is such an easy platform. Drama and fact must collide sometimes in history vs entertainment.
I remember seeing an interview with Tom Hanks where he recounted a conversation he had with Dick Winters about the accuracy of the script. He said he told Dick Winters that most war movies are only about 12% accurate. He promise they would strive for 17% on Band of Brothers. Complete accuracy is not what is compelling about Band of Brothers.
Should have extended it with more episodes Heard rumors Tom Hanks working another similar project
@@lindsayjohnston7465 I believe he is working on an Army Air Corps version.
I think that's as reasonable as you can be for a mass entertainment. In Apollo 13, for example, there are inaccuracies in the movie that space buffs, including me, could point out. But it's besides the point. And the fact is, if you really showed the reality of war, you would have to show things that were not so heroic as well.
@@marcschneider4845 Pretty much. Most of the inaccuracies in that film (Apollo 13) were often deliberate, ie dramatic license.
NICE VIDEO BRO!!! Band of Brothers is my favourite series of all time
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍
that scene where the germans are retreating and all got shot seems very far fetched
I got to go to these peaceful European cities on business decades later.
But these before and after videos put things in perspective
My dad was with Patton
But I never asked a lot of questions because I was too busy working to think of any smart questions.
I'm disappointed to find out about Blythe this man deserved accuracy beyond redemption as do all who serve 🏴
Great video. Thank you for making. I liked twice! (I have two log ons and watched it twice) ;)
Great description of the real events hapened in Carentan !
Thank you 👍 👍 glad you enjoyed watching.
I truly enjoy your you're videos. Great job.👍
Thank you Clayton.
Also I really enjoyed this video and for once the filmmaker tried to give credibility in those scenes! Good going 👏 👌
It's one of my favorite episodes.
This is a wonderful video. Thank you. Some of the things in band of brothers made no sense to me. This has cleared them up.
i did the research on blythes story years ago. i was just as shocked to find out the truth. i was really upset about blythes death for a long time until i found out it didnt happen!
I too was delighted that Blythe didn't die in '48. I found his character's reaction very 'human'--it would sure be how I'd act.
LTC Robert Cole (3/502nd PIR) lead a bayonet charge (Cole's Charge) on Carentan that caused most of Baron von der Heydte's Fallschirmjaeger Regt 6 to flee their positions during the night, which allowed Easy Co to take Carentan the next morning. LTC Cole was awarded the Medal of Honor, Posthumously, in October 1944 for this and other actions prior to the bayonet charge
Having run out of ammunition the Germans abandoned the town on the night of June 12, leaving behind a 7 man rearguard at the railway station.
Cole's Charge was on a farmhouse outside of Carentan, not on or in Carentan.
Even with the inaccuracies, it was an excellent series. The misinformation on Blythe was terrible. They should have researched it better. Glad to have learned what that finned grenade was. I had never seen one fired from a light field piece.
That grenade was really interesting to see in the series.
Yeah, I remember when reading about the Eastern Front the German 37mm couldn't take out a T34 or KV1 so they invented that 'shaped charge' to stay 'effective' against more modern tanks.
Of course, MANY years ago, when Borders Books was still 'a thing', I was leafing thru a Panzer Jaeger memoir...I recall that the Germans found another 'stop gap' solution: they'd fire an HE shell at the T34 (or they'd team up with a light howitzer or something) when it was head on to their position and very darned close; the explosion would blow open the front hatch on the hull so before the driver or bow gunner could close the hatch, the Germans had to fire another shell into the open hatch and take out the crew. Of course that meant allowing the Tank to get VERY close to you and hope you shot fast enough and accurate enough to avoid being shot or 'rolled over' by the tank.
I went to school with Blythe's actor - Marc Warren (except his real name is Mark Stephens) in Northampton UK - his younger brother was my friend and lived over the road from me.
I have band of brothers on dvd box set, I will say this, it is the best WW2 series ever made and i love it also lost count how many times i also watched it.
Pacific is awesome too
Great video. 👌🏻
Why is it always dutch people who have alot of intrest in this stuff and make videos about it ( i am quilty of this aswell, the travelling / looking at fact/fiction part i dont make videos about it )
Goede video man, zoals andere reacties hierzo zou ik ook wel meer van dit willen zien.
Bedankt and indeed a lot of Dutch people that make videos about WW2, also a lot of people from Belgium.
I like the premise of this video and I think overall what is here is good, but it does leave me wanting a little more. So a little feedback/critique from my end:
I think it presumes a little bit too much knowledge tho I can go along with that. What I came into the video hoping to see is more background on specific places, instances, and so-on, and how they compared specifically to scenes and sets made for the series. This video starts to get into that briefly with something like the intersection that Easy encountered, and whether the Café was there, or the town center arches, but we still don't have a sense of where those places are and what makes them significant, other than a broad sketch. We don't really get what the significance is of specific landmarks, what happened there in the battle, and how the way in how it was portrayed in the series may or may not translate correctly.
The one thing that always strikes me when seeing videos of battle veterans walking through the old battlefields, especially in Europe, is stories that go something like "I was on this spot, looking down this street, and I saw in those windows two Germans doing such-and-such" And I always appreciated that specific personal touch that the show sometimes would capture and sometimes would not.
Maybe more detail comparing specific shots to specific places or images on the map of where these people 'should' have been vs where they're depicted, and so-on. I know this is more editing, but I mostly am missing that what is supposed to be there vs what is shown. All I mostly got was they changed some names and events around, and they made the set much smaller than real life. Understandable, but, lets get down and dirty with it!
What might be useful is using more maps and/or aerial photography and highlighting specific places and saying something like "Here is the Town Center. Here's what we see of it in the show, and here's what it looked like during the time, and here's what it looks like today. We know these individuals were approximately in this area of the town center at a certain time and here's what that looks like. We also know the Germans were in this corner, and these specific buildings that exist today were where Easy encountered fire." Then follow it up perhaps with something like "This is the perspective you would have seen if you were with this group, when entering this part of the town, and this is what we see instead in the show; and clearly those buildings should have been about 100 meters away instead."
Now, critique aside, this video is still engaging and a good idea; and I really hope to see more of these. I have enjoyed it, and will be checking out other stuff on the channel.
You pretty much stated the problem already with your statements. A bigger video is impossible the set shows only a few parts that can be recognized in real life, most of the other buildings are fiction and the set layout is only based on one street. A set street which only 2 buildings being based on real buildings.
@@PanzerPicture yeah thinking back on it i think maybe what I was hoping for was something like "here's what BoB 'Should' have shown us if it was truly accurate, and true to scale: let's compare that to what we got" and I think the way you structured it, was more along the lines of "here's what we were shown, and let's run through how those sets and scenes might relate to the real place/events, if at all." And as you say, since they compressed so much of it down for pragmatic reasons, there's only a few things to look at, when you take it through the lens of BoB they can only show a few highlights. And then we have little to correlate it to, what few realistic places we can identify is still questionable . So contrast that to, if we instead look at it all though the lens of the actual entire town and the battle, and then try to find in that tableau the few snippets that were put into the show; well, you can see the scale more for what it is from that framing since it contextualizes those compressed moments within the full scale. I think it definitely reveals a different thing based on that initial framing.
Winters is from my home town of Ephrata Pa.
Really? You should write a book about this historical fact.
Love the part where Luz yells " I have no idea." Rick Gomez delivered the line so perfect it felt like "Luz" was yelling it out from his heart. His body language also gives me vibes like he's saying it in the manner of "What makes you think I have the answer, I'm kidna busy here if you can't see." Which probably is something George Luz could had felt, as the sheer confusion and panic on the situation is really making your heart beat bump while you're justy trying to wrap your head around what's happenning and same time survive.
In overall the whole small scene is just perfect and one of my favorite moments from Band of Brothers.
salute to the cameraman
The funny thing about this about is the first episode that I notice the weapon. The part where one of the characters puts two rounds into the shed. I was taken about aback. When I first saw that I didn't know what kind of weapon he was using. I had to rewind the scene just to see if he reload fast or something. It was until I looked up US weapons and found out that this was the M1 Garand. I should put out there that this was way before youtube most likely around 2003 or something.
Garand always has that *clink* sound when the magazine ejects. Iconic weapon, I know some people are able to buy them in the US still that are functional..there's youtube channels showing people shooting them.
Uit de stad, net thuis aangekomen. Heerlijk om dan nog even deze video te zien 👌
Top Sander.
Thank you to all the young men who fuatght and died for their country it's the old and rich who create war but it's the young who pay the ultilmunt prise😞
Thanks. I want to visit that area next time I go to France.
Are you Dutch? Seem to have an accent. Thanks for this !
Yes I'm Dutch.
The Dutch really appreciate what the US and UK did in WW2..
Thank You for not forgetting..👉🏽🇺🇸
I live 2 km from DZ "A" in Ravenoville. Not working at the moment but I am a Normandy Battlefield Guide been doing this for my work for 10 years, I will tell you in person what I think of your video if you come to Normandy again.
Good video... for you Gamers out there you can try and play this episode yourself on Post Scriptum. It's a meat grinder for the Allies.
Wasn't it released in Hell let Loose?
@@PanzerPicture I don't have that game but it's in Post Scriptum.
@@jonathanallard2128 ..I also play combat flight sims. Dart is short for "Lawn Dart " as I tended to bury my plane in the dirt a lot when I first started. The " von " is because I normally fly a BF 109 G2.
I love these videos thanks for making them
Band of Brothers has to be one is not the best WWII drama ever produced.
Listen to the opening lyrics to the theme song...I was drafted into the Vietnam War. I served with young men anyone of who are represented in the movie. Too often I am moved to tears as I listen to the opening lyrics...RIP you young men RIP
Ah I always wondered why the german got shot. Yeah I guess not surrendering and then suddenly trowing up your hands expecting to live does get you a bullet trough your chest
I always found the scene to be a little off and not justified even.
During the hedge row firefight towards the end apparently there where no Jagdpanther in the attack the only ones seen where fighting the British and Canadians?
indeed.