15 Iconic Moments of Rugby Sh*thousery!
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Pleasantly surprised by the response to this video! Please let me know if you'd like to see a part two and any suggestions for the content of that video!
Part two ASAP
Andrew Forde would love a part 2....how about something the focuses on certain aspects of foul play....tripping for example - one of the most cowardly pieces of foul play in our game. Really love your channel Andrew 👍
You misspelled 'fuckery'...
One name, Finlay Calder a hundred incidents to choose from.
Yes please, seeing Nathan Hines pulling off his crap is always amusing. That he's a coach now is kinda mental. I don't watch Top 14 rugby but i'm always imagining Montpellier as a team of very naughty boys 🤣
'You can't win a game with just drop-goals'.
'Hold my DeBeer'.
😂😂😂😂
Dont tell Naas
There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding shithousery, so to clarify...
Sometimes it's cheating, other times it's perfectly legal.
Usually it's clever, often it winds up the opposition.
Occasionally it's downright disrespectful, but it's always funny!
P.S. great work Andrew, love these original concept videos.
Leith scrum half : I know it's naive but it's gamesmanship not sportsmanship. Once money crept into rugby it was as plain as the nose on your face that it would go the same way as football.
It's perfectly legal if you don't get caught 😉😆
@@stevetaylor9846 As soon as money enters the arena, kiss honor in the game good bye. I was just thinking about how Rugby has been unaffected by the lure but I was wrong.
i believe we in the USA call it "gaming the system"
Well said Sir, notably by a scrum half. It shows rugby chaps have a well honed sense of humour.
I used to play with a prop who carried lipstick in his pocket and would do his lips before the first scrum and then kissed his oppo. Some coped with it and some did not. The rest of us pissed ourselves laughing.
As an England fan, i can't class Janie Dr Beer's drop goals as shithousery. It had just not realy been done before (or since?) Fair play
Naas Botha's five drop goals were better I think. th-cam.com/video/xlrFHd-EHNE/w-d-xo.html Yes, it wasn't a RWC, but it was the most important tournament in SA in those days and both sides were packed with Springboks. The big difference for me, is that (a) they were taken more in open play i.e less organised (not waiting on a call in the pocket) (b) the old leather ball.
Jacques Hughes Never knew Naas Botha had already done that. Never got to see Botha play as his career was just coming to an end as I got into the game. Would have liked to have seen some of those Boks-Danie Gerber sounded an awesome player.
@@jacqueshughes3085 Naas's five were fantastic, true, but not in an international, so JDB takes the win on this one.
In any event, I don't think anyone else has ever done that.
Of course, drop goals are not important. They can't win you important matches like, say, the RWC final or anything...
I mean it kind of is shithousery, but more in a "nananie booboo you can't stop me" way
To me thats tactics and playing to your strengths. The whole point of the game is to score points and keeping the scoreboard ticking over puts pressure on the other team.
Janie de Beer's five drop goals were not shithousery at all. Perfectly within the laws and he was just touched by the rugby gods that day. Totally brilliant!
In 2003 Johnny Wilkinson was on fine form for England and there was a lot of squealing that drop-goals ought to be downgraded. They weren't saying that when England were being kicked out of the WC in 1999.
@@douglasporter3865 ok
The day an All Black kicks 5 droppies is his last day in the black jersey
@@rbjohmson77 and probably wins the game.
Jannie de beer was just a class act that day
Ok, but, it doesn't look that hard. Why don't they do that more often?
Michael Branson Because it is
Michael Branson it reallybis
English butthurt again :D
But he was a twat every day
4 out of 5 drop goals from 35m+ though.. can't argue with that
Ah that Italian game. I've never seen professional rugby players so confused.
On the Little/shoe thing, I can well remember a Swansea v. Ponty game @ St Helen's when a mislaid Ponty boot was bunged into the Bank crowd by a certain Swansea & Wales player. After a short(ish) game of pass the parcel in the crowd it eventually made its way back to the pitch, but not until after that phase of play was over!
Can't remember that. At a guess, I'd say Moriarty (the younger)?
Making 5 dropkick conversions on someone is just sheer disrespect lmao.
Sheer rugby genius, is what it was. You give me the opportunity for points, I am going to take it.
Not disrespectful. But it did show up the limitations of the Boks from that era.
It's no more disrespectful than johnny Wilkinson kicking penalty after penalty.
I'm still sore about those Jannie de Beer kicks. Seems like yesterday.
I love Nathan Hines for managing to hold 3 players in the ruck. Being honest though, I hated being held back and always saw it as twatty play. A one off in an important position I could forgive, but a player doing it on a regular basis is just wrong as far as I'm concerned and deserves a punch that doesn't get noticed by the officials.
Pretty much gives you the all clear to deck them in though and no one can complain. I don't know why they didn't.
2:17 if you play a tough team and need some point utilize drop goals. We did a few times in high school but only if you have accurate kickers.
Great video.. thanks Andrew, from Johannesburg, South Africa.
I was at that match in Béziers, there was a cracking 30 man fight in the second half.
"Shithousery" is my new favorite word. Is it commonplace where you hail from? It isn't here in the States.
Pretty much said all the time
What the hell is De Beer's 5 drop goals doing on here? Genius, not sh*thousery.
NEIL BACK
EPIC
SHIT-HOUSE
Fully deserves to be Number one😀😀😀
Saw the Glasgow try at sarries it was quite funny seeing what maro did it appeared that faz was a fan of it as well as he kept laughing
De beer... 'hold my beer'
I think I've experienced this video in one match today. ENG vs WAL. Many bad decisions by the referee.
This is probably my favourite video of yours
I would also like to suggest people jumping when receiving a pass to avoid a tackle. They should be sin bined but no that's always punish that committed tackler.
May need to explain what you mean by jumping to avoid the tackle if they end up getting tackled regardless.
Jimmy Cowen pulling Bakkies Botha's jersey could be added for part 2.
About the Italy ruck episode. I understand at that time the rules said no ruck is formed if one team is not putting players into it but what I can't understand is why they don't just tackle the English number 9 , if no ruck is formed then it's open play isnt it ? Why wait for the 9 to pass the ball
to play you have to go through the gate . This being the tackled player . If you go through the gate you would make contact with the English and thereby create a ruck , which they did not want.
Re. Pienaar taking the full 90 seconds - in football they have a rule of 'Ungentlemanly conduct' - don't know if there's something similar in rugby but he should have stopped the conversion and ordered the re-start.
de beer - a typical Sth African excitement machine ...
Pienaar 90 seconds to kick that is shithousery.
Does Ronan O Gara scoring a try against the Springboks, after the ref told John Smit to talk to his players count? ... Or is that more in the ref?
Also, Carlos Spenser walking to the corner flag to score when he could've scored under the posts... And still getting the conversion
2:53 Number 5 he must have young kids at home ha ha
Loved a lot of them. That lift for the conversion 🤣
Only 2 I would say I was not a fan of was the England Italy game was a joke. Clever but it ruined the game. The other being Wales try against Ireland. I wish that could have been reversed.
I'll never understand why people moan about Italy changing their tackle technique to find a new way of defending and avoiding an offside line forming at a ruck. It was genius, and it was up to England to find a way around it. They ought to have realised that they should just pick-and-go, the advantage Italy exploited wasn't the laws, it's that England's players were dense. It's the only match ever between the teams that's worth watching.
Gordon Struth - to be fair, it wasn’t England being dense it was the law being applied inconsistently during the game. Haskell even asked the ref for clarification and the ref brushed him off with that pathetic ‘im not your coach’ line. Funnily enough, Italy still lost.
It should really just be 20 examples from the All Blacks only!
Sound have been a penalty against the French kicker at 1:00 for ungentlemanly conduct.
Why? They were attempting to charge him and disrupt his place kick, so he just pointed it out.
EXACTLY the same way as a scrumhalf steps back from a ruck or a scrum and throws his arms up: "hey ref, do you believe what they are doing here?!"
Some great shenanigans! I think you have to be innovative, but it’s clear by actually knowing the laws you can turn them to your advantage... every caught ball while keeping your foot out of touch for example.
Think K Read knocking the ball out of Johnny Gray’s hands in 2017 was pretty shitty, but what I would love to see again was a penalty right on the try line and the tallest player on the team *headed* it over the defence for someone to run round & touchdown!! Is this still allowed in either code do you know?
It’s still considered no knock on off the head in both I’m pretty sure, not entirely sure tho. Definitely qualifies as shithousery
some of them are just tongue in cheek, some of them are quick and clever thinking, but some are pure cheating that should not exist in the game
Why is Dan Biggar doing the entire macarena before every kick not on here?
Seeing all those drop kicks just crushes my soul. Can't fault him for it, but it's so antithetical to how we play in NZ
Absolutely agreed!
What do you reckon about Super Rugby Aotearoa? Golden Point introduced and all of a sudden more drop goal attempts by NZ teams in one weekend than in the last few years of Super Rugby 🙄 I like the idea of a clear winner, but all these drop goals can be a bit ridiculous!
@@rukaks Mate I'm all on board with the Golden Point. Nothing worse than getting to full-time and having a draw. Adds a bit of tension and excitement to the end.
But I reckon it's good to see it come back into the arsenal. Had a bit too much pressure on the boys over the last few years to always go for a try when just punting one over and resetting would have been a better option.
That said, I don't want it to become the default option. It's not in our DNA though so should be OK.
Against "how we play in NZ"? Really?
I submit for your consideration one of the most famous drop goals ever, by one of the most famous All Blacks: Zinzan Brooke v England in the RWC 1995.
But of course, a Kiwi would never even contemplate such a thing.
@@interestedbystander196 I stand corrected. How could I forget the number one skill required of all loose forwards; droppies.
@@mikedangerdoes Doesn't matter what position the man was playing in, it was a brilliant drop goal in a WC semi final.
Clearly the Boks pack didn't fancy it, that day.
Tbf the Carbobel one (I think, the French u20 conversion one) of he moves aren't they allowed to charge?
The kicking motion/run up has to begin so u can’t move before then and he would just argue that the stationary movement was just part of his warm up for the kick
Another class vid by AF
What was shit about England loosing by 5 drop goals when thats exactly how they won the world cup
Hey man, good work on the editing etc! What’s your definition of sh*t housery? A fair amount of these clips are just simply smart rugby... gamesmanship at worst!
there were more Irish players formed in the line out well before the ball was thrown. the lineout had formed so by definition it was not a quick line out. The Irish were just too slow to react. That's international rugby. Haha
As an England supporter, it wasn’t a try. The line out hadn’t formed at all. If Johnathon “I’m even more one-eyed than Eddie Butler” Davies reckoned it wasn’t a try, then Ireland should probably have been awarded a Penalty Try instead 😉🤣🤣🤣🤣
If it’s a regular line out then the throw wasn’t straight. You can’t bullshit your way out of this one, it’s not a try no matter what way you slice it.
Who’s better, me or Wilkinson?
Is there a limit on how many dropgoals can be done in a match of rugby?
There's no limit. Skill by the kicker, team and opposition, doesn't always allow for it. So 5 dropkicks is quite an achievement.
@@JiLoa13 thanks man. I've been wondering about that for a while now. Appreciate it 👍
I LOVE RUGBY!!!!!!!!
Itoje’s a joker 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jesus's loose definitions of shithousery
You missed New Zealand scandal in 78 against wales
What happened?
Rob howley's dad bet on the game
What about the similar era ball-up-the-jumper shenanigans..?
I knew someone would bring this up, and rightly so. As a 12 year-old, this changed my perception of the All Blacks from heroes to zeroes.
@@savepangolins5196 All Black Frank Oliver dived out of a lineout in the dying stages of a test match vs Wales. The ref awarded a penalty against Wales for an alleged push on Oliver. All Blacks' fullback Brian McKechnie kicked the penalty for a 1 point win.
Part 2 !
SA really didn't want to play rugby in 99, did they?
It was 2 tries to nil tho
The Lions takedown of the waratahs conversion was not a knock on.
Stuart Dickinson is from NSW and was always a biased corrupt ref.
Yup it was. He dropped the ball in front of him, and it struck a teammate in front of him. The Laws of the game at that time (2001) were (I have scare quoted the relevant bit)
LAW 12 - KNOCK-ON OR THROW-FORWARD - DEFINITION - KNOCK-ON
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes
forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when
the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground
or "another player before the original player can catch it."
Also, much as I agree with you about Stuart Dickinson, who I think was never even up to standard to referee a schoolboy game, let alone Lions test, it wasn't actually him who made the decisions (Dickinson was the touch judge at the far post). The referee for that match was Scott Young.
Yeah nah.
Look at the footage he dragged it back .
And then it bounced forward.
Which is not a knock on ...
@@rubenmacey3587 Yeah, Nah. That is not how the Knock on Law works... read the first and last parts...
"A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes
forward.....and the ball touches the groundor another player before the original player can catch it."
The red player lost possession and it went forward. It does NOT have to go forward out of his hand, it only has to go forward after he has lost possession, and touch the ground in front of him, or another player, before he can catch it. For example, a player tries to catch a clearing kick, it touches his hands as it passes through into his chest (so backwards from the hands) and then bounces off his chest forwards onto the ground. The referee will call a knock on every day of the week. You would be correct if the ball touched the ground behind him, and then bounced forward, but that isn't what happened.
In any case, even if you can somehow find a way to spin this into being not a knock on, the ball still touched a teammate in front of him when he lost possession, so that would be Accidental Offside. The 2001 Laws of Rugby refer:
11.6 ACCIDENTAL OFF-SIDE(a) When an off-side player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by ateam-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally off-side. If the player’steam gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s teamgains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwingin the ball.
Itoje😂
Great finish to a game coming up - ruined by Back's cheating. Ripped off everyone watching.
A Dirty, Low down trick and to be honest that is what I remember when I see or hear Neil Back's name.
Exactly what a flanker like Back is there for.
5:30 what planet is this on
Midnight Brewers somewhere through the tardis
Excuse me... why is kicking five dropped goals "shithousery"?
Neil back "LEGEND" 😀
Nice try.... subbed.
Backie.................what a player!
Cheating bar steward
philips try wasnt epic shithousery. it was a ref fuckup.
Looked as if this was a salty Englishman who made this 😂
Simple cowardice from the Boks.
How is it cowardly?
Um, offside much?
The most embarrassing thing about Ruck gate was it showed how little many professional players can use their brain to adapt to a situation
How would you do it then, mr professional?
That dude stretching before scoring need to be cleaned up
Its soft girly yawnion, i was expecting the mans game..... Rugby League
Those 5 drop goals remind me that when rugby was invented, the whole point was to get into a position to score goals. A try was only worth one point, and the main point of scoring one was to be in a position to take the conversion. That is why it was called a "try" - you could try to take the kick. 5 drop goals you would be the hero.
You must be very old 😂
@@sionfitzgerald6333 Yeh, could not even remember what I had said! In my defence though, it was 8 months ago, that would be a concern if you had replied to a comment I made yesterday. Also, I would make the point that if I comment on something that happened a thousand years ago, all it means is that I can read history, does not make me Methusalah. But yeah, i do have first hand recollection of actual rucking, and the five eigths kicking out in full anywhere for field position, and tries being worth 4 points (or was it 3?), so I am quite old. Nobody wants to get old, but if you don't die before then, that is what happens.
originally an unconverted try was worth nothing
Yes it was a try at goal
And a drop goal until the 50s i think was worth 4 points, when a try was worth 3.
“Ruckgate” was probably the funniest thing I have seen in test level rugby. The clip of a very confused Dylan Hartley trying to get an explanation from the ref are even better 😂
Let's be honest Dylan Hartley still needs which shoe goes on which foot explaining.
"What do we do?" Lol
Is it not offside?
@@atticuscorbett2111 thats what I thought, sure someone with a better knowledge of rules can explain why it isnt. If it isnt then why dont u c more teams doing it?
@@garyhammond7683 If there is no ruck formed then there is no off side line to be in front of
You forgot when that french player threw away Maro Itojes scrum cap in this year's 6 nations 😂😂😂😂
So true 😂👏🏻🤣 I saw it live
Italy’s offside defence was brilliant. I don’t think you can blame them for it!
You can't say its in the spirit of the game
Tim Loves Bacon Yeah England definitely had the better team and were well capable of winning, but the match was incredibly entertaining.
Tim Loves Bacon Italians surrendering? Well, they have form...
Haskell: 'Sir on the ruck thing, what do we have to do, to make it a ruck?'
Poite: 'I am the referee not a coach, your coach will have the solution'
What was the deal with that? Referee seemed to allow it.
That wales try from the illegal quick line-out still hurts to this day
A lot of these are just quick thinking on your feet.
I always smile when England forgot ruck rules against Italy 😂
Especially when the English players asked the ref what to do about Italys abstract tactic.
Richard Platt And the ref answered “I’m the referee, not your manager!”
@@adopancia7445 Yes, it made all stand up and take notice.
I've played twenty years and never ever seen it done
I always smile at the 36-15 scoreline...
We got shafted with the hand of back and that phillips try. Annoying, but nothing we can do about t is now
There's a guy on the previous thread who's been banging on about it for nine years!
Things is, I don't think you can particularly blame Phillips or Rees, and the refereee didn't see it, but I can't for the life of me understand how the assistant ref said it was definitely the same ball! That was mad.
I would hate to win knowing I was a cheat.
Rory Watkins if you ain’t cheating you’re last
Rory Watkins I don’t think they care, that’s the thing with shithouses
Those were the days, back when Daleks commentated on rugby.
how were those 5 drop goals 'shithousery'? isn't that just being good at rugby?
Its pure disrespect on the other team to be sloting over 5 drop goals
Obviously it’s being good at rugby, most of these are just being good at rugby, but that’s another level, the disrespect that they just kept slotting the point every time they entered the 22. England had zero response.
@@AndrewDavidForde Name of the game is to score points however they come.
I think before or early part of the professional game I remember hearing drop goals just wearnt done or respected. Only trys mattered. I remember people complaining about the English 03 wc victory and we only got it due to wilko boot and didn't play proper rugby. Now people just say fucking impressive but the game is evolved a lot
@@BooshisLoose1 100%agree. To refer this as shit is totally disgusting and disrespectful to a world record. Jannie's 5th drop goal must be one of the best ever. Let's not forget how the WC was won in 1995 & 2003.
Damien de Allende tribute please can't wait for his munster debut
Great vid btw 👍👊
I'm unable to use Super Rugby footage or Rugby Championship footage, so I don't think I'll be able to make a de Allende tribute to a standard that he deserves I'm afraid as a lot of footage will be missing.
@@AndrewDavidForde aw pity mate, keep the good videos coming anyways,only thing getting me through quarantine
Fw I’ll see what I can do and try and post it on a second channel, he’s a top player so I wish I could !
cybermen @ 5:40?
yes
They show the South Africans drop goals against England. But they didn't show England winning the World Cup off the boot of Johnny Wilkinson.
Ye cus no one likes England
But that wasn’t gamesmanship, it was the last minute of extra time.
@@keithorbell8946 Johnny Wilkinson kicked the ball over the posts, on at least six occasions.
Number 1 still hurts me, and I wasn’t even born yet
1:04 Damn I've never seen a pen blocked by players in that way before. Amazing.
Ireland's quick tap against South Africa in Dublin think in 2005 when South Africa were still in the a huddle??
After the ref had instructed John Smit to speak with the team. I'm pretty sure that was the refs last international match - or very close to it, pretty much ended his test career as it should have.
Ronan O'Gara was involved from memory - always give me great pleasure to watch him get run over on the way to a try, make stupid decisions then take the man out in the air to snatch defeat from the draw at the end of the 2nd lions test in 09. I don't believe in Karma, but damn he definitely deserved that.
Italy was tactical because the ruck was not formed so it was open play the lenster try counts because it was a penalty he has 4 choices to pick a scrum kick for touch tap and go of kick for goal
How about Maro Itoje pulling a players jersey inside out over their head whilst trying to clamber over a ruck.
He inspired me to do it myself 😂
I'd be interested to know how many of these weren't pinged by the refs eventually. Many are a bit of quick thinking. Some are gamemanship. Others are outright cheating and poor sportsmanship outside of the spirit of the game.
Wouldn't really call de Beer's drop goals shithousery, more like opportunism.
Neil Back cheat
It's not cheating if you get away with it.
If you get caught, as Back was, its cheating. If you don't get caught then its tactics. The world saw Back cheat. He cheated.
But Back never got caught by the ref and thus the leicester boys have a nice european title for the collection.
Go cry somewhere else. Bloody butthurt Irish fans.
@Tom Tom I'm afraid it's all a matter of perspective. I gladly paid to see Backy et al. play many times and I'm sure we saw the same things but one man's worst of the worst is another man's best of the best.
You snooze you loose. That's Rugby.
One I can remember was Auckland vs Canterbury 2002. Canterbury kick the ball too far, Carlos Spencer watches as the ball rolls into their in goal area as Andrew Merhtens approaches. Carlos steps on the ball with his foot, acting as though that counts as forcing the ball. Then he casually picks the ball up and walks towards the 22, like he’s going to take a drop out. Merhtens falls for it and turns his back on Carlos, walking back to the 22. As soon as Andrew turns around Carlos runs and continues play, because you can’t force the ball with your foot 😅
Another one was with Adrian Cashmore for Auckland, in 99 I think. Auckland had a penalty 10m out or something like that. For some reason everyone assumed he was taking a shot at goal. The opposition team turned their backs expecting a shot at goal. Cashmore taps the ball and walks over for a try. Can’t remember who it was against.
The lions penalty block attempt was a brilliant idea and i'm lost as to why some teams don't try it in desperate situations now. Is it illegal?
Yes, rule change shortly after.
Andy Hayden jumping out of the line to get an easy penalty against Wales. I know its a long time ago but it still rankles. 😢
How is scoring drop goals shithousery?
Neil Back is just a cheat nothing else, you brought the game into disrepute!
_Is it illegal to block a penalty going over the posts by using a lifter?_ 🤷🏼♂️
I think it is *now*.
Neil Back is my favourite rugby player of all time.
Not entirely sure how the lions lifting to block the kick is bad ,I thought it was just smart
I agree. Same with de Beer's 5 drop goals.
It is specifically outlawed in the Laws Of The Game
decko20009 not at the time
Lol Debeer playing rugby like he Steph Curry at the 3 point line
Neil Back, just cheating.
I sense a butthurt Munster fan - sincerly, a tigers fan😂
A Dirty, Low down trick and to be honest that is what I remember when I see or hear Neil Back's name.
@@marathonman51 Funny, the first thing I think when I hear his name is world cup winner.
The thing that most Munster fans overlook is the fact that Peter Stringer dummied the put-in to try to draw the penalty from the Tigers pack. Which is cheating! This is why the ref missed it. Stringer made the motion of putting the ball in and the ball went in! albeit in the direction of the tigers tight five. If Stringer hadn't cheated Backy wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Oh and to be fair any decent No. 7 would do the same thing. If you think you're favourite no.7 wouldn't you're kidding yourself.
P.s. That was my best trip to Cardiff ever.
Are you allowed to hold down players in the ruck like that?
Da beers drop goals aren't shit housery, just brilliant rugby ability. Oh hang on, it's because it's against England.