I was at my local hobby store today, and I heard the cashier say "there's a lot of new fans complaining about the TH-cam drama and what not. I guess they don't know GW have been arse heads for years now". I'm glad to know he didn't lie about it.
In my experience Warhammer Shopkeepers are just fans who happen to work for GW. There is literally no one supervising them so they just blatantly say whatever they want XD We all know that Warhammer is way to expensive of a hobby, but its way too good to let that stop us
TTS was my doorway into the community. The community and Games Workshop then kicked me right back out. Love the people that made TTS. The mythos of 40k, super cool. Games Workshop? No thankyou.
@@uglyweirdo1389 oh yeah, I get what you mean, I'm glad everyone is doing as well as they are, this whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm convinced something else is gonna go wrong, ya know?
Geez that was a rollercoaster. I could feel Davvys genuine fan frustration coming through in some parts and his love in others (mostly frustration though)
Goes to show how seminal (pun intended) TTSverse work is to the fandom of 40k in general. TTS did GW a favor. GW returned that favor by doing what legally amounts to shining the barrel of a gun to the back of their heads in thanks.
@@kazzsaru I thought this was referring to some random past decision for a while, but I've recently seen that TTS put out episode 30 on their youtube and......this hurts to know now
I feel like Warcraft originally being intended to be a warhammer game should’ve gotten a brief mention just because of how wildly successful it became after the warhammer license was pulled. And then the middle finger they gave to games workshop with Starcraft.
@@milkjug4237 idk something about it being a game about space marines fighting a space insect swarm that devours everything and space elves who come in light and dark flavors somehow seems vaguely reminiscent of some other franchise
@@milkjug4237 a lot of people mistake the warcraft thing and think Starcraft was supposed to be a 40k game at some point, which wasn’t really ever true Aesthetically it pulls from a lot of sci-fi from the era so it has some elements of 40k but leans a lot heavier into alien and starship troopers style sci-fi than anything else. There’s a very weird non-written agreement between Games Workshop and Starcraft to not use certain starcraft 1 designs for zerg creatures (like cerebrates and the starcraft 1 version of hydralisks specifically) going forward that people say is because zerg look like tyranids, but the reverse is actually true- tyranids of the era starcraft 1 was released in all looked like weird bipedal bug men, and kind of assimilated the appearance of zerg after starcraft came out (though this is just because the sci-fi aesthetic of that era was all about that vibe and they were both pulling from the same inspirations, not that 40k was directly ripping starcraft and only starcraft or anything). So it’s just a very weird relationship on the whole
@@Aliencommander1245 Yeah that' is kind of the funny thing 2nd edition Tyranids looked...really not that zergy...it wasn't until 3rd/4th edition with an massive revamp to the line that they really started to dig into the whole zerg aesthetic.
This isn't true, though, it's a misconception that comes from people not understanding something Mike Morhaime said. He said in an interview that they were considering pursuing the Warhammer license, but decided not to because having their own IP would be better for Blizzard's growth as a company. They never actually had the Warhammer license, and as far as I can tell they never even contacted GW about the possibility.
I used to play WH in middle school. Our history teacher had full armies of thousands of models, he had painted himself. He had 40K, Fantasy, Battletech and Battlefleet Gothic. He's the reason I got into D&D, and gaming in general. Life happens, and I honestly forgot about the impact he had, till I started seeing some of his models, in this video. Thx for that, DC.
You shold check Bricky's video "Every Warhammer 40K Faction Summarized" or smth like that. He's the best guy I've ever seen explaining WH40K lore. Also, Adeptus Ridiculous is rad as warp.
It's kinda sad to see gw seemingly refuse to learn from their past mistakes. Lately they haven't just not listened to their fan base but outwardly ignored them. From new codexes bumping old armies to meta status to old armies being made basically unplayable (cough cough chaos space marines) I really hope they see their long serving fans are the reasons they exist at all as apposed to being just another asset. A man can dream.
Small correction. White metal is MORE expensive than lead. White metal has silver, antimony, and tin. All of which are more expensive than lead. Pewter is also a catchall for alloys of tin, which can include alloys that have lead.
TTS got me into the hobby. Some people think its cringe, but I came to love the people involved with it as a project. The world of 40k still interests me, but until GW creates a environment that can allow things like TTS, I can't imagine myself giving them another dime.
I’ve never enjoyed tts’s humor. But I respect it as a core part of this franchise I have a love-hate relationship with. seeing it unceremoniously culled in a back alley by GW is pretty indicative of the issues going on right now
Tbh this was a very apt and balanced overview. I started looking into warhammer as a hobbyist again during lockdown. When I started the company would often send bonus models and letters in deliveries and also if any issues occurred during orders. When I left the prices rose, but service declined. Due to focusing on work I took a prolong absence and now am not sure I will come back.
I can nevermore look to that giant skeleton on the golden throne without hearing a fucking grumpy and unapt parent speaking full of sarcasm with the occasional dad joke.
Alfa is a masterful voice and audio director. He managed to inject so much personality and nuance to a character who speaks in a computer-generated monotone, and literally never moves or has a facial expression.
Thank you for the Bretonnia shout-out, I started collecting Fantasy in 2006 and I never got that update, last I heard they are not even playable in AoS... but at least they look nice on my shelf. Great video!
You will be able to use your knights and infantry in the updated Cities of Sigmar. Next summer, rumors are about a complete overhaul of this army, but you can use the unit archetypes.
Games Workshop could honestly make a lot more money by just listening to its fans. We want to give Games Workshop money in exchange for the toy soldiers we like. We don't want to go to war with our favourite toy-maker. Throwing its biggest supporters under the bus for short-term profit is going to backfire.
I was so engrossed in the story until 27:28 when I was suddenly shook by the picture of my local hobby shop. Did a triple take just to be sure I wasn't imagining things, then continued on. 10/10 video Mr. Chappy.
To badly quote someone "you were such a great lad ts' just a shaame you grew up to be such a shite man" I love the setting, feel and characters of 40k but the company making them is just too greedy and shitty for me to support them right now. I hope they start improving their buisness modell more in favor of the customers so I can start spending money on their plastic crack like a good little fan boy.
The irony is that the Fantasy videogames you mentioned became a hit AFTER they ended WHFB... And its probably why now GW is planning on bringing back the grand scale square based WHFB as The Old World in the format of a resin collectable specialist game à la Horus Heresy, so as not to compete with AoS.
It's just that SEGA has raised a whole sect of immature psychopaths who hate 40k and Age of Sigmar. I am 100% sure that these childs will not buy a single miniature ever. Moreover, you do not know: Warhammer Age of Sigmar was conceived in 2008, when it became clear that fantasy was not a tenant. In 2012, production started. CA also received a license for the already de facto dead world, with which she could do whatever she wanted. Like weave mammoths or blue Norsca wolves.
As someone who loves Dwarves, Kharadron Overlords were my introduction into Warhammer things. With all this free time and a stimulus check I bought a bunch of minis and paints. I will probably never play Warcry or the main AoS game, but they look so cool and I've already begun to incorporate their lore into my 5E homebrewed stuff. I have also started collecting and assembling some Ogryns, Ratlings and Squats for an Abhuman Imperial Guard Kill Team. Speaking of 40k and Squats, wth Games Workshop? There seems to be enough of a demand, bring them back in a large capacity.
I love my AoS armies, but MAN is GW making me not want to spend any money. Usually I spend my portion of bonuses on gw minis, but not anymore. I like how "hungry" and receptive other game companies like Wyrd (Malifaux) are to their players. (If you want to sell rules, make the minis cheap (DnD), if you want to sell minis make rules cheap/free (malifaux). Don't make a gw mistake and make both your rules and models expensive one or both will just be pirated.
I was introduced to the hobby through Total War: Warhammer and was seriously considering getting into the table top war games. But with the recent attacks on their own community I have to decided to look elsewhere. I have found other games (one page rules is great you should check it out) and I plan on investing on a 3D resin printer with money that I was going to put in GW’s pocket. I love the franchise but the greedy bastards that own it can shove it.
When I started with Games Workshop (6th Ed Fantasy) all the 40 yr olds were warning me about GW business practices. Now that I'm in my 40s, I do caution all the new GW gamers about what they spend their money. It's not just the miniatures, it's all the rules and army books! If you want to seriously get into table top wargaming, these high quality 3D resin printers are the way to go. Good luck.
If you like Total war: warhammer, you will be disappointed that the setting is totally different in AoS and the game is a skirmish quite shitty and umbelanced.
This video is great, and i hope there is more to come. But as a Magic player I am seeing some disturbing similarities with the pursuit of short-term profit damaging the long-term viability of our beloved games.
You have done a honorable job Sir Davvy Chappy, your contribution to the histories of the Imperium has been recognized as accurate and true! Continue your work as a noble informer to reach ever greater heights of Glory! For the Imperium! FOR THE EMPEROR!!
Do not feel bad for GeeDub, they are reaping what they sow. If they just focused on cultivating gaming communities in their games stores and lowered prices, you would essentially swap short term burst gains for long term steady gains.
I love your style and this video is specifically a topic I've been hoping to find a historical breakdown of for a while and it touches on literally every topic I was hoping such a video would. You have my sub.
See if anyone who watches adeptus ridiculous knows... You know the tale of the scorpion and the frog. The scorpion asks the frog to help them travel over a lake and the frog says "ok but don't sting me or we'll both die". So the scorpion gets on the frogs back but halfway across it stings the frog. The frog goes "why'd you sting me now we both die" in which the scorpion replies "lmao its in my nature" and they both drown and die? Yeah GW is that scorpion. Its in its nature to do shit that does not make sense
I clicked on what I thought was a lore video and instead got a very detailed explanation of why the thing I love is almost entirely creatively bankrupt
Awesome breakdown! I feel really sad since I’m selling all my Warhammer stuff other that Blood Bowl, as the company pushed me away from the hobby. It’s sad to see the things that brought you into the hobby, be the reason why you leave…
I got my fan article published by GW back is episode 94 of Fanatic. I started my school club, I was wargaming sec at my universities RPG soc. I had thousands of points of Warhammer and 40k, but then apocalypse replaced city fight and my pure scout army was not acceptable at game night, I was told I had to bring tanks. So I played more WFB, and then they said I couldn't use my Dogs of War army any more, I couldn't use the 6th edition PDF or even count as Empire, so I focused on my specialist games , Necromunda and Inquisitor... Then they banned my Inquisitor Miniatures for using too many non GW parts and so I used only my original design figures... And they asked me not to take up space. I love Warhammer and 40k, I will always enjoy the Lore and add it to my other games. But I will no longer give them my money.
Good video. Glad I found it. If you ever decided to do a follow-up or revision, take a look into the history of GWs retail outlets, webstore and FLGS relations. GW managed to push a lot of FLGS' in the UK out of business in the 80s and 90s. In the early 2000s they tried and failed to do the same thing in the USA. During this period, they did things like combine customer service and mail-order shop and forbid trade accounts from selling GW products using an online shopping cart (making the new GW webstore the easiest, though often most expensive, way to buy GW products online). While you touched on it briefly, one of the great GW marketing strategies has been to isolate their customers from the larger miniatures wargaming hobby. Various tactics including GW retail stores only selling GW products, branded everything (from brushes to rulers to glue) and strict policies forbidding the use of 3rd party miniatures in their stores and official events.
Honestly as someone who has been in this hobby for more than a quarter century now, the Warhammer+ outrage is not only nothing new, it pales in comparison to the release of Age of Sigmar, or Primaris Space Marines, or the Ward-dexes, or formations, or any number of other things. The outrage this time is somewhat amplified by the fact it's affecting the parts of the community with the loudest online voices, but it's also not directly affecting the tabletop, which remains GW's bread and butter. GW had record profits over lockdown and the player base is still growing pretty rapidly.
Okay, so I´m watching the video and something stands out. At the 7:17 mark, there´s a picture from a GW store. And I can proudly say that it´s the store here, in my hometown of Gothenburg!
I have a love of warhammer from when my dad introduced me to the game in my childhood and it makes me sad to report that Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40k in their current forms have turned me off from table top war gaming almost entirely. At least in my experience tactics and infantry mean almost nothing as monsters can blend through a maximum sized unit worth three times the number of points in one turn and heroes are one man armies, whoever has the most expensive monsters and heroes usually wins and whoever found the least corners to cut on infantry gets shafted.
I would suggest switching to Kings of War. It's basically old school Warhammer with big regiments and the like, it's miniatures agnostic so...those GW models aren't going to waste...
part of that is that is the fact that I mostly play craftworlds and my friends run very tank heavy lists so I do have a rather narrow view of the game. Most of the reason they feel weak to me is probably because of the insane anti infantry my friends field. Punisher Gatling cannons are not something to scoff at.
@@variableaxis9652 as someone who's used punishers every game all of 9th, idk it's been so useless I'm thinking of permanently shelving it and rebuilding it as something else
The cover to the 1983 Warhammer box is such a great image. I imagine the hammer making a "thwock!" sound as it beans that skeleton. 12:56 Hell's Teeth, that Ork Army is zoggin' magnificent. BATTLESWORD MODELS!!!!
I was first exposed to GW in '87 when I got Rogue Trader for Xmas. Never played it, but loved the art and the style. I steered *waaay* wide of 2e as it seemed to have a built in Argument Phase... But, then, I got stuck in MD. Being about 60minutes away from the US HQ of GW I struggled to find a D&D Game. So, I bit the bullet and jumped into 40K. I went deep. I played a lot. I devoured lore. I loved it. I got good at the game. (my painting was barely tabletop-quality, much less Golden Demon, so...) By the end, @2006 I moved overseas (from AZ to Germany) and let 40K start slipping. After several years I tried to dip my toes back in, and all I got was a "I fucking hate Flyers" attitude. The game definitely chose it's new meta (buy me!) and I was not willing to follow it. I am grateful that I got to play a mad lot of 40K during it's Golden Era (3e to 5e), so there's that. And about 25,000 points in models in GW pistol cases in my basement... Thanks for the video :)
Loved this! Well done! I remember playtesting Mega Hulk (Space Hulk with multiple sets) in Derby (just down the road from the main office in Nottingham) back in 1988(ish). Stepped off the 'wagon' shortly after and stopped paying attention, due, by and large, to everything you mentioned. Still have a friend that writes awesome 40k novels for the company though.
I like wargaming minitures, i currently collect dark ageish armies and some other stuff. i don't actually have a group to play with but they are so fun to collect and paint for 28 millimeter i recommend wargames Atlantic they are pretty good
Still finishing TTS but the whole situation is like this from my understanding Your Biological father who usually abandoned you and never spoke to you came back to make it all right. The downside is that now for some reason is banning you from ever seeing your stepfather who has raised you all your life
Before astartis i only knew that in warhammer big guys shout "no mercy" and after text to speche device i started to get adicted to 40k story and lore But they should have bought the idea and teams or give them the lizence to do theyr stuff for a share of the outcome Baning is like killing an infiltrator by poisoning the meal you also eat Btw nice video
This is so well done. I knew of the most recent GW stuff but o boy it went much deeper than I could have imagined. We can relate to company with fantasy game becoming greedy as hell and destroying their own game
As a child, I played Warhammer 6th, but the problem was that in a town like me you do not have anyone else to play except your brother. At the end, we painted, we collected and we mostly played Paperhammer (where you use all your miniatures and then complete the army using paper squares with the name of the unit, TOTALLY "unacceptable" according to GW).
Ahha! A fellow paperhammer fan. I'm at the point now where models are 1 off purchases to sit and ain't as a relaxing separate hobby and gaming is done wi rule book,codex, notepad and either empty bases or proxy models. Last big game my group organised we used adaptus titanicus rules and my transformers collection to re fight the battle of Autobot city from the 80s cartoon movie. It's was a)utter carnage b)a massive laugh and c) put exactly 0 quid into GW's pockets
8:00 THAT WAS PURE GOLD Amazing to think that Warhammer was inspired by D&D my gaming journey went the other direction... the funny part is that Warhammer video games are actually affordable
GW never made or published a video game. They had a booth at a corporate-fair where they advertised their IP to sell licenses. Other companies then purchased a license or engaged in ‘partnership’ and made stuff. Loads and loads of that stuff was really bad, GW is just lucky some of them were actually good and popular. They really had nothing much to do with it, other than the Warhammer IP. Even Total War Warhammer was made on Sega’s initiative.
For what it's worth, I heard about 40k in 2020 looking for a new hobby to pass the time in isolation. A couple of friends and I played a couple games on roll20 to learn the rules. But when I went to find current material for armies and the cost of minis to play with, everything was either ridiculously expensive or just didn't exist. I really like the Custodes and I put a 1200 point army together on a Google doc because as far as I could tell that was the standard army size (standardised play is another issue that 40k has in that no one seems to agree on what a normal game should look like) and it was just shy of £2k. So after an honest good couple months trying to pick up the hobby, I can say that 40k is just not welcoming to new players or people without expendable income. The closest I've come to a 40k game is the Play on Tabletop channel.
2k, how? Assuming you purchase through 3rd parties in the UK for the usual 15 to 25% discount you can get a 2000 point Custodes army around £200. Paints, glue etc adds a bit. But unless you are going full scale Forgeworld I can't work out your numbers. I get GW armies are hell expensive, but I actually think they are cheaper now than anytime since red and blue stickers were a thing in the 1990s. Age of Sigmar massively reduced the cost of fantasy armies. For anyone outside the UK I get pricing is a massive problem.
Ironically, 2020 was when I actually got into 40k, despite not being able to play it at hobby stores. Which is why it was all the more shocking when 2021 rolled around and GW struck down youtube animators; the ones who helped me get into the series. It's 2022 now, I'm still playing the series but I haven't gotten over my ire for GW. To me, they're not the "owners" of 40k, they're just the only fans who can legally make money off of it. So yeah, to everyone who wants to play; try 3d printing and third party buyers! There's absolutely no reason to pay 35 dollars for a single space marine captain that you cut out of its spriggs, glue together, and then paint yourself.
I really loves this video. It gave me a lot of info that was interesting and made me as a fan of dnd and WH, look a few things on a new light. It was also very entertaining wich is the most important time. I don't know if there are other such videos that could be made but I am for it if in the distant future you decide to recount the story of World of Darkness or Blizzard.
TTS and my buddy Gray got me into warhammer and honestly. I don't buy shit directly from gw anymore. Its all indirect like ebay or from stores or 3d printed.
Total War got me interested in Warhammer but it was the youtube community that made me a fan and convinced me to buy into the game. What GW doesn't seem to understand is that locking content behind a paywall practically guarantees that new customers won't see it.
Kill Team amazed me because fifteen years after I quit playing they basically released my old homebrew from high school as an official ruleset lol (To be clear Kill Team is as better written as you'd expect a professionally written and tested game compared to a game modded by a 14 or 15 year old kid's work)
I was at my local hobby store today, and I heard the cashier say "there's a lot of new fans complaining about the TH-cam drama and what not. I guess they don't know GW have been arse heads for years now".
I'm glad to know he didn't lie about it.
You got me in the first half, not gonna lie.
In my experience Warhammer Shopkeepers are just fans who happen to work for GW. There is literally no one supervising them so they just blatantly say whatever they want XD
We all know that Warhammer is way to expensive of a hobby, but its way too good to let that stop us
I don't think he will be a store manager for much longer.
@@Marinealver Well, it was a local hobby store, not a GW one, so he'll be just fine
@@Marinealver Besides, who would care? The customers certainly wont run to GW, and as long as he sells, no one in Nottingham cares.
My thoughts on GW's attacks on its own community can only be summarized as **agitated skeleton shriek**
TTS was my doorway into the community. The community and Games Workshop then kicked me right back out. Love the people that made TTS. The mythos of 40k, super cool. Games Workshop? No thankyou.
I legit find TTS better written than most high budget shows
I'm gonna try and be as much a part of the 40k community as I can, without acknowledging GWs existence
@@Scrombo2 same here love Warhammer fantasy and 40k but the company its just terrible especially with the animation part.
@@uglyweirdo1389 I'm glad we have that much, but I wish I could believe you about everything being all right
@@uglyweirdo1389 oh yeah, I get what you mean, I'm glad everyone is doing as well as they are, this whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm convinced something else is gonna go wrong, ya know?
Geez that was a rollercoaster. I could feel Davvys genuine fan frustration coming through in some parts and his love in others (mostly frustration though)
I like how this image is synonymous with TTS now
Goes to show how seminal (pun intended) TTSverse work is to the fandom of 40k in general. TTS did GW a favor. GW returned that favor by doing what legally amounts to shining the barrel of a gun to the back of their heads in thanks.
*robotic skeleton laughter*
*Warp infused shriek*
@@kazzsaru I thought this was referring to some random past decision for a while, but I've recently seen that TTS put out episode 30 on their youtube and......this hurts to know now
I feel like Warcraft originally being intended to be a warhammer game should’ve gotten a brief mention just because of how wildly successful it became after the warhammer license was pulled.
And then the middle finger they gave to games workshop with Starcraft.
ooo, whattd happen w/ starcraft
@@milkjug4237 idk something about it being a game about space marines fighting a space insect swarm that devours everything and space elves who come in light and dark flavors somehow seems vaguely reminiscent of some other franchise
@@milkjug4237 a lot of people mistake the warcraft thing and think Starcraft was supposed to be a 40k game at some point, which wasn’t really ever true
Aesthetically it pulls from a lot of sci-fi from the era so it has some elements of 40k but leans a lot heavier into alien and starship troopers style sci-fi than anything else.
There’s a very weird non-written agreement between Games Workshop and Starcraft to not use certain starcraft 1 designs for zerg creatures (like cerebrates and the starcraft 1 version of hydralisks specifically) going forward that people say is because zerg look like tyranids, but the reverse is actually true- tyranids of the era starcraft 1 was released in all looked like weird bipedal bug men, and kind of assimilated the appearance of zerg after starcraft came out (though this is just because the sci-fi aesthetic of that era was all about that vibe and they were both pulling from the same inspirations, not that 40k was directly ripping starcraft and only starcraft or anything). So it’s just a very weird relationship on the whole
@@Aliencommander1245 Yeah that' is kind of the funny thing 2nd edition Tyranids looked...really not that zergy...it wasn't until 3rd/4th edition with an massive revamp to the line that they really started to dig into the whole zerg aesthetic.
This isn't true, though, it's a misconception that comes from people not understanding something Mike Morhaime said. He said in an interview that they were considering pursuing the Warhammer license, but decided not to because having their own IP would be better for Blizzard's growth as a company. They never actually had the Warhammer license, and as far as I can tell they never even contacted GW about the possibility.
I used to play WH in middle school. Our history teacher had full armies of thousands of models, he had painted himself. He had 40K, Fantasy, Battletech and Battlefleet Gothic.
He's the reason I got into D&D, and gaming in general.
Life happens, and I honestly forgot about the impact he had, till I started seeing some of his models, in this video.
Thx for that, DC.
When I see that golden throne thanks to TTS I can only think of a rambling old skeleton man.
Same
hahahaha, i was on my way to write exactly the same thing XD
I'll never forget Emps' first words: "About fuckin' time"
Warhammer copies Tolkien, Heinlein, and everyone, then sues everybody for copying them. The end.
Pretty much.
"How dare they copy our original idea of copying other people's original ideas! That's our thing!"
Don't forget Herbert. Everything from the Emperor of Mankind to the Navigators to the Mechanicus tech-monopoly came out of ideas from Dune.
Well if you mix up enough stuff into something new, no one will notice. First DM Rule of DnD.
Hey don't forget Moorecock!
D - did Davy just summarise Warhammer? Impressive
Excited to see a lore summary
You shold check Bricky's video "Every Warhammer 40K Faction Summarized" or smth like that. He's the best guy I've ever seen explaining WH40K lore.
Also, Adeptus Ridiculous is rad as warp.
NONONO we have plenty lore youtubers thank you.
I lived through most of this. Kind of meta seeing it all listed out in order and explained by a master orator. Thx again!
"You can get a fanbase to try a new thing.* *So long as they didn't like the thing that came before it." Underrated line of youtube brilliance xD
It's kinda sad to see gw seemingly refuse to learn from their past mistakes. Lately they haven't just not listened to their fan base but outwardly ignored them. From new codexes bumping old armies to meta status to old armies being made basically unplayable (cough cough chaos space marines) I really hope they see their long serving fans are the reasons they exist at all as apposed to being just another asset. A man can dream.
It's all about money and their shareholders. Welcome to capitalism.
Small correction. White metal is MORE expensive than lead. White metal has silver, antimony, and tin. All of which are more expensive than lead. Pewter is also a catchall for alloys of tin, which can include alloys that have lead.
The worst part about this hobby has unfortunatly always been GW, it's with an grimm enjoyment I see all the newer fans find out about it.
When they said "grimdark" they meant for your bank account lmao
TTS got me into the hobby. Some people think its cringe, but I came to love the people involved with it as a project. The world of 40k still interests me, but until GW creates a environment that can allow things like TTS, I can't imagine myself giving them another dime.
Then don't my good sir. There are *whispers* dark paths...which allow you to skip paying GW whilst also still being able to play...
I’ve never enjoyed tts’s humor. But I respect it as a core part of this franchise I have a love-hate relationship with. seeing it unceremoniously culled in a back alley by GW is pretty indicative of the issues going on right now
Buy a cheap 3d printer and just print your own. Fuck GW
@@cornmaized I am glad you can appreciate it's place in the community even if you aren't a fan of the comedy.
You talking about the stores closing down to COVID reminded me of how my local game store ran out of business and now I'm sad
Tbh this was a very apt and balanced overview. I started looking into warhammer as a hobbyist again during lockdown. When I started the company would often send bonus models and letters in deliveries and also if any issues occurred during orders. When I left the prices rose, but service declined. Due to focusing on work I took a prolong absence and now am not sure I will come back.
I can nevermore look to that giant skeleton on the golden throne without hearing a fucking grumpy and unapt parent speaking full of sarcasm with the occasional dad joke.
Alfa is a masterful voice and audio director. He managed to inject so much personality and nuance to a character who speaks in a computer-generated monotone, and literally never moves or has a facial expression.
Thank you for the Bretonnia shout-out, I started collecting Fantasy in 2006 and I never got that update, last I heard they are not even playable in AoS... but at least they look nice on my shelf. Great video!
You will be able to use your knights and infantry in the updated Cities of Sigmar. Next summer, rumors are about a complete overhaul of this army, but you can use the unit archetypes.
Games Workshop could honestly make a lot more money by just listening to its fans.
We want to give Games Workshop money in exchange for the toy soldiers we like. We don't want to go to war with our favourite toy-maker. Throwing its biggest supporters under the bus for short-term profit is going to backfire.
Ha ha ha this must have taken forever I am going to assume it is a masterpiece
It'll be... good enough.
I was so engrossed in the story until 27:28 when I was suddenly shook by the picture of my local hobby shop. Did a triple take just to be sure I wasn't imagining things, then continued on. 10/10 video Mr. Chappy.
I licterally added the "Blood god" in my CoS game
To badly quote someone "you were such a great lad ts' just a shaame you grew up to be such a shite man"
I love the setting, feel and characters of 40k but the company making them is just too greedy and shitty for me to support them right now. I hope they start improving their buisness modell more in favor of the customers so I can start spending money on their plastic crack like a good little fan boy.
You'll be waiting a long time unfortunately
The irony is that the Fantasy videogames you mentioned became a hit AFTER they ended WHFB... And its probably why now GW is planning on bringing back the grand scale square based WHFB as The Old World in the format of a resin collectable specialist game à la Horus Heresy, so as not to compete with AoS.
It's just that SEGA has raised a whole sect of immature psychopaths who hate 40k and Age of Sigmar.
I am 100% sure that these childs will not buy a single miniature ever.
Moreover, you do not know:
Warhammer Age of Sigmar was conceived in 2008, when it became clear that fantasy was not a tenant.
In 2012, production started.
CA also received a license for the already de facto dead world, with which she could do whatever she wanted. Like weave mammoths or blue Norsca wolves.
8:02 God bless you Tim Curry you are 10 types of awesome
As someone who loves Dwarves, Kharadron Overlords were my introduction into Warhammer things. With all this free time and a stimulus check I bought a bunch of minis and paints. I will probably never play Warcry or the main AoS game, but they look so cool and I've already begun to incorporate their lore into my 5E homebrewed stuff. I have also started collecting and assembling some Ogryns, Ratlings and Squats for an Abhuman Imperial Guard Kill Team. Speaking of 40k and Squats, wth Games Workshop? There seems to be enough of a demand, bring them back in a large capacity.
I feel its relevant to mention that Total War Warhammrr and Vermintidr came out with Age of Sigmar being the game not warhammer 8th.
This is well timed because I just started using TTS to play with my buddy
Having the ad placed just when Tim Curry is about to say SPACE is downright evil. Great video though.
I love my AoS armies, but MAN is GW making me not want to spend any money. Usually I spend my portion of bonuses on gw minis, but not anymore. I like how "hungry" and receptive other game companies like Wyrd (Malifaux) are to their players. (If you want to sell rules, make the minis cheap (DnD), if you want to sell minis make rules cheap/free (malifaux). Don't make a gw mistake and make both your rules and models expensive one or both will just be pirated.
Go to the Outpost for AoS and 40k (among other stuff) they do everything 10% cheaper than GW
I was introduced to the hobby through Total War: Warhammer and was seriously considering getting into the table top war games. But with the recent attacks on their own community I have to decided to look elsewhere. I have found other games (one page rules is great you should check it out) and I plan on investing on a 3D resin printer with money that I was going to put in GW’s pocket. I love the franchise but the greedy bastards that own it can shove it.
If you cant aford a 3s printer, a bunch o people sell their on (kinda ilegal) minis by way lower prices
just play Tabletop sim.
@@leonvalenzuela4096 some people like to have minis. But yeah i play it all on tabletop sim
When I started with Games Workshop (6th Ed Fantasy) all the 40 yr olds were warning me about GW business practices. Now that I'm in my 40s, I do caution all the new GW gamers about what they spend their money. It's not just the miniatures, it's all the rules and army books! If you want to seriously get into table top wargaming, these high quality 3D resin printers are the way to go.
Good luck.
If you like Total war: warhammer, you will be disappointed that the setting is totally different in AoS and the game is a skirmish quite shitty and umbelanced.
This video is great, and i hope there is more to come. But as a Magic player I am seeing some disturbing similarities with the pursuit of short-term profit damaging the long-term viability of our beloved games.
Magic is already terminal. Its a matter of when it dies, not if.
Lets not forget the saga of single employee GW shops...
You have done a honorable job Sir Davvy Chappy, your contribution to the histories of the Imperium has been recognized as accurate and true! Continue your work as a noble informer to reach ever greater heights of Glory! For the Imperium! FOR THE EMPEROR!!
Do not feel bad for GeeDub, they are reaping what they sow. If they just focused on cultivating gaming communities in their games stores and lowered prices, you would essentially swap short term burst gains for long term steady gains.
Seeing a reference to talisman has significantly brightened my mood
I love your style and this video is specifically a topic I've been hoping to find a historical breakdown of for a while and it touches on literally every topic I was hoping such a video would.
You have my sub.
rip the non-disney GW, it was a very short era
See if anyone who watches adeptus ridiculous knows...
You know the tale of the scorpion and the frog. The scorpion asks the frog to help them travel over a lake and the frog says "ok but don't sting me or we'll both die". So the scorpion gets on the frogs back but halfway across it stings the frog. The frog goes "why'd you sting me now we both die" in which the scorpion replies "lmao its in my nature" and they both drown and die?
Yeah GW is that scorpion. Its in its nature to do shit that does not make sense
I clicked on what I thought was a lore video and instead got a very detailed explanation of why the thing I love is almost entirely creatively bankrupt
Awesome breakdown! I feel really sad since I’m selling all my Warhammer stuff other that Blood Bowl, as the company pushed me away from the hobby.
It’s sad to see the things that brought you into the hobby, be the reason why you leave…
Well, I'm glad that a new generation of hobbyists will know to curse the name of Kirby.
I got my fan article published by GW back is episode 94 of Fanatic. I started my school club, I was wargaming sec at my universities RPG soc. I had thousands of points of Warhammer and 40k, but then apocalypse replaced city fight and my pure scout army was not acceptable at game night, I was told I had to bring tanks. So I played more WFB, and then they said I couldn't use my Dogs of War army any more, I couldn't use the 6th edition PDF or even count as Empire, so I focused on my specialist games , Necromunda and Inquisitor... Then they banned my Inquisitor Miniatures for using too many non GW parts and so I used only my original design figures... And they asked me not to take up space. I love Warhammer and 40k, I will always enjoy the Lore and add it to my other games. But I will no longer give them my money.
Good video. Glad I found it. If you ever decided to do a follow-up or revision, take a look into the history of GWs retail outlets, webstore and FLGS relations. GW managed to push a lot of FLGS' in the UK out of business in the 80s and 90s. In the early 2000s they tried and failed to do the same thing in the USA. During this period, they did things like combine customer service and mail-order shop and forbid trade accounts from selling GW products using an online shopping cart (making the new GW webstore the easiest, though often most expensive, way to buy GW products online). While you touched on it briefly, one of the great GW marketing strategies has been to isolate their customers from the larger miniatures wargaming hobby. Various tactics including GW retail stores only selling GW products, branded everything (from brushes to rulers to glue) and strict policies forbidding the use of 3rd party miniatures in their stores and official events.
These "a good enough history of..." videos are great! Thanks, Davvy!
The Futurama reference at 4:48 was much appreciated.
this is the best summary of GW history I've seen on youtube
Honestly as someone who has been in this hobby for more than a quarter century now, the Warhammer+ outrage is not only nothing new, it pales in comparison to the release of Age of Sigmar, or Primaris Space Marines, or the Ward-dexes, or formations, or any number of other things. The outrage this time is somewhat amplified by the fact it's affecting the parts of the community with the loudest online voices, but it's also not directly affecting the tabletop, which remains GW's bread and butter. GW had record profits over lockdown and the player base is still growing pretty rapidly.
Remember to only buy pirated versions of whatever GW owns since they killed our TTS.
finally, me constantly pointing out warhammer pics in davvys vids has paid off!
Okay, so I´m watching the video and something stands out. At the 7:17 mark, there´s a picture from a GW store. And I can proudly say that it´s the store here, in my hometown of Gothenburg!
I have a love of warhammer from when my dad introduced me to the game in my childhood and it makes me sad to report that Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40k in their current forms have turned me off from table top war gaming almost entirely. At least in my experience tactics and infantry mean almost nothing as monsters can blend through a maximum sized unit worth three times the number of points in one turn and heroes are one man armies, whoever has the most expensive monsters and heroes usually wins and whoever found the least corners to cut on infantry gets shafted.
Right now the only super strong infantry in 40K are skitarii vanguards just because of the new stratagems anything else feels kind of weak.
I would suggest switching to Kings of War. It's basically old school Warhammer with big regiments and the like, it's miniatures agnostic so...those GW models aren't going to waste...
Funny you say that because the current meta is infantry spam.
part of that is that is the fact that I mostly play craftworlds and my friends run very tank heavy lists so I do have a rather narrow view of the game. Most of the reason they feel weak to me is probably because of the insane anti infantry my friends field. Punisher Gatling cannons are not something to scoff at.
@@variableaxis9652 as someone who's used punishers every game all of 9th, idk it's been so useless I'm thinking of permanently shelving it and rebuilding it as something else
Good Job making the video! A couple things were out of Chronological order, but it definitely shows you put a lot of time and effort into it.
Something that truly baffles me is that Steve Jackson and Steve Jackson never sat down and said "one of us has to be 'Steven'"
The cover to the 1983 Warhammer box is such a great image. I imagine the hammer making a "thwock!" sound as it beans that skeleton.
12:56 Hell's Teeth, that Ork Army is zoggin' magnificent.
BATTLESWORD MODELS!!!!
Glad to see you again crappy. Haven’t seen you come up on my feed again in 1 year. Good grief I feel old.
I was first exposed to GW in '87 when I got Rogue Trader for Xmas. Never played it, but loved the art and the style. I steered *waaay* wide of 2e as it seemed to have a built in Argument Phase...
But, then, I got stuck in MD. Being about 60minutes away from the US HQ of GW I struggled to find a D&D Game. So, I bit the bullet and jumped into 40K.
I went deep. I played a lot. I devoured lore. I loved it. I got good at the game. (my painting was barely tabletop-quality, much less Golden Demon, so...) By the end, @2006 I moved overseas (from AZ to Germany) and let 40K start slipping.
After several years I tried to dip my toes back in, and all I got was a "I fucking hate Flyers" attitude. The game definitely chose it's new meta (buy me!) and I was not willing to follow it.
I am grateful that I got to play a mad lot of 40K during it's Golden Era (3e to 5e), so there's that. And about 25,000 points in models in GW pistol cases in my basement...
Thanks for the video :)
You don't get enough credit, this video was awesome, thank you!
I honestly thought this was going to be a history of the world or setting of Warhammer but this turned out to be far more exciting. Good show!
Loved this! Well done! I remember playtesting Mega Hulk (Space Hulk with multiple sets) in Derby (just down the road from the main office in Nottingham) back in 1988(ish). Stepped off the 'wagon' shortly after and stopped paying attention, due, by and large, to everything you mentioned. Still have a friend that writes awesome 40k novels for the company though.
Thank you. We appreciate your work.
I like wargaming minitures, i currently collect dark ageish armies and some other stuff. i don't actually have a group to play with but they are so fun to collect and paint
for 28 millimeter i recommend wargames Atlantic they are pretty good
James Workshop has created it's own Dark Age of Outrage. May the gods of the Algorithm blight their margins.
Best breakdown of gw history I've ever heard
I really enjoyed this summary
Absolutely loved this! Hope to see more Warhammer content in the future
As someone who waa fully into the hobby 1998-2003, and then went past a shop the other day wondering WTF thank you for filling in the last 15+ years
End timea still hurts....i really loved 8th ed fantasy....
Well done. Thank you for this.
Still finishing TTS but the whole situation is like this from my understanding
Your Biological father who usually abandoned you and never spoke to you came back to make it all right. The downside is that now for some reason is banning you from ever seeing your stepfather who has raised you all your life
Always a great vid. Thanks.
Adam
The last remnants of Games Workshop died when Rick Priestley left. R.I.P (Corehammer for life x)
Oh a picture from my local gamestore in Sweden! Sweet.
Before astartis i only knew that in warhammer big guys shout "no mercy" and after text to speche device i started to get adicted to 40k story and lore
But they should have bought the idea and teams or give them the lizence to do theyr stuff for a share of the outcome
Baning is like killing an infiltrator by poisoning the meal you also eat
Btw nice video
This is so well done. I knew of the most recent GW stuff but o boy it went much deeper than I could have imagined. We can relate to company with fantasy game becoming greedy as hell and destroying their own game
As a child, I played Warhammer 6th, but the problem was that in a town like me you do not have anyone else to play except your brother. At the end, we painted, we collected and we mostly played Paperhammer (where you use all your miniatures and then complete the army using paper squares with the name of the unit, TOTALLY "unacceptable" according to GW).
Ahha! A fellow paperhammer fan. I'm at the point now where models are 1 off purchases to sit and ain't as a relaxing separate hobby and gaming is done wi rule book,codex, notepad and either empty bases or proxy models. Last big game my group organised we used adaptus titanicus rules and my transformers collection to re fight the battle of Autobot city from the 80s cartoon movie.
It's was a)utter carnage b)a massive laugh and c) put exactly 0 quid into GW's pockets
Awesome summary, thanks Davvy 👌
"It is in Gee Dub's nature to do Stupid Shit." ~Bricky
7:57 Genuinely didn't expect to see a C&C reference here and I love it.
8:00 THAT WAS PURE GOLD
Amazing to think that Warhammer was inspired by D&D my gaming journey went the other direction... the funny part is that Warhammer video games are actually affordable
Now that’s u did a history of each archetype of 40k cause that would be fun
I went to the very first GW store in the middle 80s. That's when they were radical, before they turned into The Man.
Well warhammar the old world should be coming out next year, excited to see what they do
This was a well produced and informative history of GW.
GW never made or published a video game.
They had a booth at a corporate-fair where they advertised their IP to sell licenses. Other companies then purchased a license or engaged in ‘partnership’ and made stuff.
Loads and loads of that stuff was really bad, GW is just lucky some of them were actually good and popular. They really had nothing much to do with it, other than the Warhammer IP. Even Total War Warhammer was made on Sega’s initiative.
For what it's worth, I heard about 40k in 2020 looking for a new hobby to pass the time in isolation. A couple of friends and I played a couple games on roll20 to learn the rules. But when I went to find current material for armies and the cost of minis to play with, everything was either ridiculously expensive or just didn't exist. I really like the Custodes and I put a 1200 point army together on a Google doc because as far as I could tell that was the standard army size (standardised play is another issue that 40k has in that no one seems to agree on what a normal game should look like) and it was just shy of £2k.
So after an honest good couple months trying to pick up the hobby, I can say that 40k is just not welcoming to new players or people without expendable income. The closest I've come to a 40k game is the Play on Tabletop channel.
2k, how? Assuming you purchase through 3rd parties in the UK for the usual 15 to 25% discount you can get a 2000 point Custodes army around £200. Paints, glue etc adds a bit. But unless you are going full scale Forgeworld I can't work out your numbers.
I get GW armies are hell expensive, but I actually think they are cheaper now than anytime since red and blue stickers were a thing in the 1990s.
Age of Sigmar massively reduced the cost of fantasy armies.
For anyone outside the UK I get pricing is a massive problem.
Ironically, 2020 was when I actually got into 40k, despite not being able to play it at hobby stores. Which is why it was all the more shocking when 2021 rolled around and GW struck down youtube animators; the ones who helped me get into the series. It's 2022 now, I'm still playing the series but I haven't gotten over my ire for GW. To me, they're not the "owners" of 40k, they're just the only fans who can legally make money off of it. So yeah, to everyone who wants to play; try 3d printing and third party buyers! There's absolutely no reason to pay 35 dollars for a single space marine captain that you cut out of its spriggs, glue together, and then paint yourself.
Waiting for part 2 in around 25 years. :3
Well done. Here, have some algorithm points.
I really loves this video. It gave me a lot of info that was interesting and made me as a fan of dnd and WH, look a few things on a new light.
It was also very entertaining wich is the most important time. I don't know if there are other such videos that could be made but I am for it if in the distant future you decide to recount the story of World of Darkness or Blizzard.
Only taste of Games Workshop was friends who played 40K and my dip into Deathwatch (TTRPG) and Vermintide 2.
Thanks for the video.
TTS and my buddy Gray got me into warhammer and honestly. I don't buy shit directly from gw anymore. Its all indirect like ebay or from stores or 3d printed.
This is a good video. Checked your channel, subscribed
Thank you for the video.
Total War got me interested in Warhammer but it was the youtube community that made me a fan and convinced me to buy into the game. What GW doesn't seem to understand is that locking content behind a paywall practically guarantees that new customers won't see it.
Kill Team amazed me because fifteen years after I quit playing they basically released my old homebrew from high school as an official ruleset lol
(To be clear Kill Team is as better written as you'd expect a professionally written and tested game compared to a game modded by a 14 or 15 year old kid's work)
This was a fantastic video!