no, it's not PSV Eindhoven are from the south while Ajax is from Amsterdam. Feyenoord Rotterdam is from around the same area as Ajax Amsterdam, but Amsterdam and Rotterdam have completely different cultures, that's why they're the biggest rivals in The Netherlands@@marquinhos8776
@@marquinhos8776 next year, when the new format of the Champions League starts, the prize money will be much higher than before. it is very likely that Feyenoord as the runner-up and PSV as the champion will play in that Champions League, while Ajax will play in the Europa League or the Conference League next season, which will not be nearly as financially strong as the Champions League. I think that because of this, PSV and Feyenoord will be financially much more powerful than Ajax and that is why Ajax is now waiting for a long period without a trophy. Do you agree with me?
No joke I was thinking to myself “damn I’m bored at work I want some football content.” I refresh, see this at the top, and celebrated. Thank ya Adrian
What's also interesting is how they (over)spent over a 100M on relatively unknown players, who pretty much all said they "couldn't believe" that a club like Ajax was interested. I remember seeing their lineup the first game of the season and only knowing like 3-4 players. Most of these players are already being labeled as huge flops
It's early day calling them flops. Although from what I've seen Akpom doesn't look like an Ajax player at all. But to be fair, neither did Seb Haller, and he turned out alright.
@@vizuzHaller was on fire at Utrecht and Frankfurt, but West Ham was a mismatch. He at least had proven himself on the highest level. Akpom never scored more then 10 goals his entire career until last season. And that was in the Championship
I follow Ajax closely and I must say...this is getting really, really awful right now. We're currently 14th in the league and with the upcoming fixtures including AZ, Utrecht (Away) (traditional tough games), and PSV away (almost a certain loss last couple of seasons) coupled with AEK Away, and playing the current Brighton 2 times (which may well become 2 absolute beatings, further diminishing the already low morale) I would not be surprised if we're in the relegation zone a few weeks from now... Truly horrifying stuff going on at the club atm
@@SukmaPancaroba next year, when the new format of the Champions League starts, the prize money will be much higher than before. it is very likely that Feyenoord as the runner-up and PSV as the champion will play in that Champions League, while Ajax will play in the Europa League or the Conference League next season, which will not be nearly as financially strong as the Champions League. I think that because of this, PSV and Feyenoord will be financially much more powerful than Ajax and that is why Ajax is now waiting for a long period without a trophy. Do you agree with me?
As an Ajax fan, I think that PapiMento guy worded all of it really well. One thing to add on the ending though: a Van Gaal return seems very unlikely. The man is unfortunately struggling with his health, and was quoted admitting he can't even go to the bathroom by himself now. I think it would be too much and totally unfair to ask him, even though he would otherwise be so well suited. We need someone for the longer term really, as the problems are currently at every level. For example: this video talks about the issues from the top down, but there's also issues from the bottom up. Name me the last big attacking talent the Ajax academy has produced. You probably can't, because we haven't produced any for many a year now. The foundation of the club in it's famed youth academy is also seriously failing to produce and consistently losing to rivals at all age groups. We're a heavily offensive team, yet in the past years only some defensively minded players are produced. We need ex players who understand and want to help the club at so many levels. Yet we've been scaring those off and also getting rid of them for weird reasons lately. Literally everything at the club currently is broken, this Ajax just isn't Ajax in any way.
@@GothPaokiPlease don't generalize. I was at the game in the stadium, many of us including myself left calmly without any issues at all. Unfortunately clubs have some dumb hooligan groups too. A problem many clubs in the Netherlands have currently. Problem group of society shows itself in bad times. For example when Feyenoord sucked a few years ago, their supporters stormed their club. Now Ajax are in bad weather and unfortunately we're shown some of our fanbase are equally dumb.
@@menno7349 yeah I'm talking about the hools not the 99 percent of fans but this 1 percent of fans in the Netherlands in general is worse than others 1 percent of hools of other countries. And it's not only about ajax either. Feyenoord fans rampaging through Rome in 15, Eindhoven fans mocking beggars in Spain. All hools are idiots but the volume in which this 1 percent is causing troubles is evidently much more frequent if we also take into account their outside of the country achievements And in my opinion as someone who's lived in Leiden for more than 15 years is that the Dutch as most northern Europeans are quite snobbish in that issue and they tend to ignore it because of a false sense of superiority when it comes to education. And by Dutch I'm talking about the state itself their attitude is in front of the problem is " no bro shit ain't happening here we're not Balkans" you can't fix a problem by ignoring it.
You are overloading your arguments now man, French fans are worse than ours , Greek and Italian fans of the bad clubs (yes Paok , The Romas etc ) are just as bad Yes we have a problem, but many other countries do . Unless your German fan , or Spanish Portuguese, only counties I'd rate quite good
Even if they did produce a striker - then they moved on (Danilo?), because the trend since maybe even Ibrahimovic is to have a big central striker from abroad. Huntelaar doesnt fit your criteria with his development at PSV and breakthrough at Heerenveen. Brobbey is now that guy, but probably not good enough. On the flipside, how many wingers have they produced recently. I'm curious to see Axel van Dongen if he will make it.
'With diamond after diamond coming from their academy' * Shows pic of Frenkie de Jong who was 18 when he signed for Ajax after he went through the Willem II academy *
Worryingly both Overmars and Van Der Sar suffered serious health issues recently reports of a stroke and a brain bleed, the stress both must have been under was awful 😔
adriano from an ajax fan this is the harshest time weve faced so far, but i know we gonna get back on top with things, if succes is temporary then also is failure
So I'm an Aberdeen fan and I don't follow Dutch football but I'm not the slightest bit surprised that Ajax are crap this year. Last season we needed a backup keeper in January and Ajax very kindly gave us the use of one of their lads. He played 4 games and was fine, but our main goalie was better. Ajax main keeper (Player 8/9 games) this year is the ex second choice goalie at Aberdeen. Something must be wrong with your scouting + buying network for this to happen at such a big club.
What went wrong is both Rulli and Pasveer got injured, Gorter is really just meant to be our 3rd choice goalkeeper. Not denying something is seriously wrong with our scouting and buying network, but Gorter playing is simply due to bad luck.
While there are 100% issues with the scouting, Jay Gorter is not supposed to be our 1st choice at all. There were talks of him being sold, when the other options were injured. The only other option just joined 1 day before the injury to Rulli happened, so they chose Gorter. Very unlikely to stay there long term.
Kudos to thomasvrielink there, injuries are a factor too. Current keeper was supposed to be loaned out, but in the first game a long injury for Rulli and the new German keeper was new at the club for like 2 days, so Gorter got a chance. A perfect storm of absolute shit atm on every level. Why the papimento guy is in the video is pretending to talk for all ajax-fans or is used as a source of knowledge is beyond me too to be honest. Very little actual insights there, just a talking punter promoting his own social media stuff. Thanks for the video though 👍
Awesome stuff as per usual, coincidentally, I was listening to the Athletic podcast on my way to work today and in addition to Sven's dismissal Ajax Supervisory Board Chair Pier Eringa has resigned. This probably happened after Papi's conversation with Adrian otherwise it would have come up in the video. Also, according to one of the guests on earlier mentioned podcast, a few of the other reasons why Sven lost his job were that he once went into the lockeroom post match and told players that Steijn was kinda/sorta about to be sacked (behind Steijns back) also Sven was under an external investigation for 'conflicts of interest in transfers', that plus the poor job he did in recruiting probably amounted to the straw that broke the camel's back. So just an FYI for some of the stuff that happened after Adrian recorded this as well as some "grape vine" kinda stuff.
Letting a match get abandoned on purpose is so so weak. Your true support is shown on moments things get rough. They have big mouths when on top, but crybabies when losing.
For English speaking football fans, this is a great video documenting the current status of the club. Not going to lie, but as a Feyenoord supporter, this is one of the most beautiful trainwrecks I’ve ever seen. Sadly, I have to admit that in the past thirty years it was mostly turmoil at Feyenoord; financial crisis, not playing in European competitions, some “fans” doing dumb stuff abroad in Nancy, Rome or what not. And what happened next, Ajax was almost always on top, which got increasingly frustrating over the years. However, ever since last season, they are slipping and it’s bizarre to see how quickly they are tumbling. We benefit more from a stronger Ajax, but again, seeing them like this… it does put a smile on my face.
@@joemamma8927 this is how they behave when things aren’t going their way. Shame really. And sure, that’s what I meant that a stronger Ajax is more beneficial, but getting humble for a while is not a bad turn of events for the club and their fans.
As someone who's being at the Netherlands for more than 15+ years I'll say Dutch football as a whole has always been tumultuous to say the least. Ajax feyenoord specifically has always smelled trouble outside the stadium with lots of violence on the streets and the government even issuing restrictions on fans movement from town to town. And as great as Netherlands is as a country I have the worst opinion about Dutch fans. There's this largely superficial and wrong impression that northern Europeans are somehow more civilized than the southerns because their countries are financially more stable etc which couldn't be more wrong. And it's quite clear over the years that shit is out of control. I do remember a lot of controversy inside the country as well as outside of it. I was stunned when ajax fans were chanting anti Jewish chants in Ajax Tottenham game ( mind you ajax has a Jewish background and Israeli flags are very common in their stadium) i could go even more back with them celebrating the twente fireworks factory disaster in which several people died. And ofc not just Ajax fans. There's been examples of feyenoord fans vandalizing the city of Rome in 15 and pissing or destroying monuments or Eindhoven fans mocking beggars in spain and documenting their actions. If there's one country where the level of education does not reflect on it's fans it's the Netherlands.
Not Dutch, but from an outsider perspective Dutch people are really well behaved. The football fans on the other hand may be different, but in general hooligans haven't exactly been known as Mensa members. Just look up the video from last season and English fans causing disturbances in Barcelona.
I am close friends with a diehard Schalke fan and he seemed to be fascinated by the Feyenoord Ultra scene. He showed me many videos and told me stories that weren’t so friendly to say the least 😅. However, I’ve met countless Dutch football fans at German league games in Germany and they were well behaved. Nothing to complain about. Same goes from my experience visiting the Netherlands in general.
You make some decent points there (Paoki, Greek I take it ?) There is a definite disconnect between the wealth Dutch society still had until now and how the football fans behave I'm an AZ fan , but I do want to argue that some of the worst European clubs, fanwise , recently visited my club, and other Durch team , and some of them seem to come to us specifically to cause more trouble than they do elsewhere West Ham and Legia warsxhau for example have horrible reputations in their own right and came to cause riots and then whine about it AS Roma versus Feyenoord or the upcoming Lazio clash, roman fans are no Angel's, again , bad reps in their own right French football is , as their society , very very violent more so than Dutch , but somehow still flies below the radar in international news about it Legia warschau could cause a real mess for our away game I suppose , we will see in the winter
It's so weird to me that the US is considered more violent than Europe but in the US violence related to sports is so much less common. Even for college sports, which are more "tribal" than pro sports, fans of each team mingle inside and outside the stadium with little trouble. There might be some words exchanged but it's usually lighthearted.
as much as I'd LOVE to see Louis coming in and sweeping the club and making sure Ajax is Ajax again, it wouldnt feel right placing that kind of pressure on a man as ill as he is. maybe itd be cool to have him sit down with Steijn and talk to him about football and coaching, fulfilling the role of an assistant or adviser. I just would love to see a real Ajax legend live Louis coming back. the club is barely Ajax anymore
1 thing not mentioned in this video is that sven mislintat the ex sporting director is under investigation for possible conflict of interest in some of the transfers he has made. He owns a scouting agency and a agent is a minor investor in the company, a few players he has bought in switched from agents in the last day yes the same agent with the share in mislintats business. And because of this he is under investigation and later he left due to the reason ajax given. But the investigation is still very much on
Also, he was not that great at Arsenal so not really sure how he "made his name" at arsenal. He signed Aubameyang and Leno that have done well, other than that, all duds. (Mhkitaryan, Mavropanos, Sokratis, Torreira, Guendouzi and Lichtsteiner)
It's been coming a long time. Scouting has not been working, scouts were even refusing to talk to each other. For YEARS. . Head of scouting left this summer. Head of youth left this summer. CEO left this summer. Head of the board left aswell. Further down in the organization it has been a mess for a longer time. Ten Hag and Overmars were quality. But there was nothing behind it. We relied on them 2 to make it work. Recruiting and youth development are the most important thing. And our recruitment for coaches and players was to rely on good relationships with agents and quality of Ten Hag and Overmars. Without an clear strategy. When they left there was nothing.
The problem traces back to 2010: every time Ajax focusses too little on its core values (attacking football, alumni of the club, academy players) and rely too much on people from the outside (many incoming transfers, external coach, external director of football) it always goes wrong in Amsterdam. Back in 2010, Johan Cruijff was still there to correct the course of the club by emphasizing the need of having people with Football- and Ajax-DNA in the key positions of the organization. Ajax recovered in a matter of six years and then had six very solid years internationally. It went wrong when the majority of these key people started falling away: Wim Jonk in late 2015, Dennis Bergkamp in late 2017, Marc Overmars in early 2022 and Edwin van der Sar this summer. The solution is simple, the club needs true Ajax-people with some football legacy in their organization. Not the oldies, let the generation of the 1990s try: John van t Schip, Aron Winter, return of Winston Bogarde, those kind of people.
You're also ignoring how Ajax their expenditure (mainly on amortization and wages) needed CL football every year to get funded, which they missed out on, leaving a financial gap
I didn’t do hope they bounce back on the huge fan of Ajax. I just feel a bit bad for them when they have to keep selling their players. Yes I know they’ve got a amazing Academy and players all, always want to expand their horizons in play for the top six It’s just a shame it dampen success in the European front and all
I'm from The Netherlands and i can tell you that all non Ajax supporters have their popcorn and are enjoying this to the fullest 😂 Time to tone their ego's down a notch! On the real though, i do hope their problems are fixed soon, it would be a big blow for our already useless competition if Ajax won't claw back next season, this one is wasted already. So much money evaporated on players we've never heard off. Bad trainers after ten Hag left, no idea what Steijn is doing there.. like wtf! And EVERYBODY from the board of directors should be kicked out, today! They made this mess and they should leave. Already 1 guy left by himself, for Ajax i hope the rest will take his lead (but i doubt it). There are no ex footballers on that board as far as i know, atleast nobody that knows how to run a football club or knows about the technical side of football. If they get kicked somehow, and appoint some good people (van Praag will come back to the club which is good) then next season we will see a decent Ajax again in our league. For now, i ran out of popcorn, gonna get some more 😂
Yeah Van Der Sar wasn’t really well liked. Both Seedorf and Davids had applied at Ajax but never heard anything from him (be it in the youth academy or more on the board side of things, I still think would have been great and better replacement for Overmars) Winston Bogarde on a Dutch football talkshow called Rondo had told the panel, when he came in to help train youth defenders. That he had a conversation with Van Der Sar about possible promotion, according to him van der Sar burst out laughing and then said: there’s no opportunity. I think like around December that year ETH approached him to join the staff. Michael Reiziger who was gunning for the job (he made the reserve squad champions) both after ETH left and Schreuder got axed and after they needed a new manager after Heitinga was let go. He also left I’m not saying Van Der Sar has a problem with it black peoples but it definitely looks like he has problems with them
Van Der Sar and Reiziger have known each other since they were children, having come through the Ajax academy together and winning a Champion's League at Ajax, Bogarde was also in that team, they played their entire international career's with Edwin as their keeper, insinuating he is Racist is disgraceful 🧐
You can't have succes every year, but the fans really showed their real faces. They had the biggest mouth, past 5 years. They would let the first team play in the Champions League, and the second in the Dutch league. After 5 games its sabotage with fireworks, and breaking the front door. And not for the first time. Biggest club, smallest fans.
When you become a selling club for the europes elite every season there is always going to come a time when those you bring in to replace are not as good as those you sold and thats one of the resaons for the drop in performance.. club needs to start saying no to the big money and put the team first
its a normal cycle for ajax. in few years time, they will play with potential world class youngsters, do well in champion league, sell them for hundreds of million, become worst. repeat.
Papi says they need a director of football with balls who is an alpha male. Yous already had one with Overmars, and apparently it was so much of a problem you had to sack him. Make that lady coach who complained the DoF. That'll fix it.
i dont get the mislintat thing. how is it a conflict of interest if the stuttgart agreed to the transfer and sosa didnt strike or something to force the move.
It's not explained too well in the video, but it was a personal deal between Mislintat and Sosa's agent, who owns a 3% share in an analytics company owned by Mislintat. Since Ajax is listed on the stock exchange, such potential conflicts of interest need to be disclosed, like, by law, but this one wasn't.
@@BrianStorm742 yeah i knew that the agents of sosa also own share in his analysis company. but in the end no one got screwed over or anything. seems to me like its just about technicalities. its not like sosa did anything bad you could say mislintat maybe influenced to push the price or something. so this being made into a big deal seems really weird to me
@@BrianStorm742 yeah im not saying that but in some german media i get the impression they try to frame mislintat like a criminal when i dont believe its a big deal since no one got harmed
Utrecht (a) and PSV (a)... Ajax will be in the relegation zone soon. in Hato they have a real world class centre back in the making, but at 17 it's not like he's ready to be the rock in that totally shite new defence. Vos and Axel van Dongen emerging is good. I'm surprised Taylor stayed, but he will have to prove they can build a team around his engine room / recycling in the midfield. More worrying for me, is that for a few years, Ajax2 have also been total crap.
Well they made a lot of money with antony and others. Sven didnt get time, and if it's proved that he made some dodgy transfers to an agency he had percentages on...what a mess. Relying on old men os not the way it should be, but sometimes like hodgson in palace or xavi in Barcelona, might be a short term solution, but not a future prospect into the future.
ngl as a feyenoord fan (arsenal still my no1 team that will never change but a fan of feyenoord cause of when reiss nelson was there) ajax failing gives me so much joy especially since that vermin berghuis is there getting packed by twente
Good riddance. I am so tired to hear about a team that has a decent line up every 20 years and it get called the school of football and similar bollocks.
That was in 6 CL finals , won 4 of them, spanning over decades including CL semis , always with a lot less money to spend than any Serie A club when they had their big money age , or soanish and enlgish clubs later The lack of respect for smaller european countries is incredible Dutch clubs were in 8 CL finals , won 6 of them , more than France (1!) Portugal and the many not ever winning countries combined Recently, even without any real money these days , Dutch clubs played two european finals and a near CL final Dutch players and coaches layedt the foundation for Barcelona , won three European cups for Milan , which they never won without those world class players We've got one fifth of your bigger counties populations, show some dammn respect
@@mickeymrinlandrabbit9297 I am well aware of Ajax achievements and doesn't belittle what i wrote. Ajax is cyclical. Here how it goes: NOTHING - Cruyff - Nothing - Van Basten - Nothing - Van Gaal - Nothing - Nothing - Semi Final CL with overrated players already irrelevant in european football. No one belittles dutch achievements. They just need to be considered for the actual contribution rather than be marvelled by virtue of dogmatic respect. I have the right respect for Ajax, you on the other hand are delusional.
"Ajax philosophy", "Ajax style", Ajax this, Ajax that. It's all just utter BS if you ask me. Why is great football expected only when they win? Right now, they are losing and nobody wants to see "Ajax football", they just want to see them win the game. If they cared so much about the "Ajax system", they would be happy to play it, even if it means losing a game. The only things that counts is winning and whoever says that's not true, can take current Ajax as an example. There is no such thing as "Ajax football". It has never existed. There are lots of other teams who play attacking football. It's just arrogant to think that Ajax invented it. They clearly didn't.
Which shows you know absolutely nothing about the evolution of football and how innovative Ajax and Oranje were spanning 1968-1974 with 5 consecutive Dutch Cl finals, 4 wins , two consecutive world cup finals all involving a then novel system with offside trapping wingbacks , outside players and many ideas by michels, later the foundation of Cruyf at Barca which became their style , many times admitted by Xavi or Guardiola You dont know anything man
Honestly I don't believe he'll ever make a great head coach. But he offered to step back down and still help out, at which I still feel weird that we're refusing help of former players. In no position to do so.
Why is Lyon mentioned everywhere I the same breath with Ajax . Ajax has a bigger history and trophy cabinet than Manchester United, let alone Lyon , who never really won anything of importance Fans these days dont really take the historical impact of clubs into account it seems
Few sidenotes.. This 'brilliant' Overmars didnt want Ziyech a few years ago. After a period of public pressure and mediocre Ajax he went with it and from the arrival of Ziyech on everything started to click. Van der Sar was already unsuited for any kind of function high up the tree. But just with Feyenoord at the moment, succes and good football can camouflage reality. Ajax supporters are just not very critical, mostly. But what has been rotting for many years now, finally came out. And the problem is broader then just replacing some puppets.
Shouldn't Ajax have been punished with a forfeit, fine, and a stadium ban? I'd like a points deduction too. It would encourage them to be selective about their fan base.
As someone new to club football, my genuine first impression of Ajax was when a bunch of thuggish fans dressed in all black tried to storm the visiting team's hospitality seats and only to get pummeled by two stereotypical English football fans. When you make the latter look like heros, you know you royally screwed up.
@@BrianStorm742 TH-cam is awful with notifications up until now, yet I had been corrected earlier about it. I think that I confused the two, as I believe it was held at Ajax's pitch.
Must have been a reason why Mislintat was not wanted any longer by Dortmund. Only misses after his exit there... Ajax literally is the Kindergarten of the Elftal. If you change their style you change theirs, too...
If you follow Ajax closely, you'd notice that after 2015 there were already problems and the club wasn't performing at the highest level. The arrival of Ten Hag completely transformed us into an elite team again and the minute he has left, we regressed significantly. Even the elite players we produced in recent times were a result of the coaching of Ten Hag and his team. We need to focus on finding the next prodigal manager.
@@hr-g4640 I mean we sold a lot of our good players and he still rebuilt the team and won the league in the same season using a different system. I'm not sure what more you'd want?
Also the arrival of Marc Overmars as the Director of Football who recruited some of the best outstanding young talent since the Louis Van Gaal era in the 90's.
@@taliamason7986 Yea but he already mentions this as the main point in the video. I'm bringing up the Ten hag thing because its important and Adrian doesn't touch on it. I think he ignores this point because he hates United for some reason.
There is also a potential scandal brewing around Mislintat and the transfer of Sosa from Stuttgart. Apparently Sosas agency holds a 3% share in an analytics company by Mislintat and this conflict of interest was not declared. I don’t know what conduct is normal in the football business but tbh I don’t think that this sounds that bad, however it might still be relevant
Yea inside rules at ajax forbid that but Ajax knew it for a long time and they didn't do anything for it so i don't think it's that relevant. It was his actions before the feyenoord game that sealed his fate.
As a Dutchie, this situation is both awful and entertaining. Based on their 2018/19 season, Ajax seemed confident they would become the Dutch Bayern Munich. Turns out the foundation of that success was weak enough to be toppled by a few nude pictures. PSV and Feyenoord FAR outclass Ajax at this moment. Parity has been restored. The Netherlands has 3 top clubs, and that will remain the status quo.
Based on this seasons form (and the failure of the rebuild) its clear Netherlands have 3 top clubs, and as an Ajax fan its pretty painful to say those are PSV, Feijenoord and AZ.
I have one question and i am genuinely confused. Clubs from the Netherlands and Portugal usually earn a lot by selling players. Where does that money go? They relatively have a low salary for players and cost less to run. I always think where the money goes whenever they sell players usually to big clubs from PL.
Actually, the last 5 years or so Ajax has upped their player's wages dramatically in an effort to attract players like Tadic and Blind, who otherwise wouldn't have come back to the Eredivisie from the Premier League, and to make sure they wouldn't lose players immediately after one good season, like what usually happened in the past. Of course when clubs like Barcelona and Juventus were ready to spend 75M+ on players like Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt, offering them anual salaries of 10M+, you're gonna lose them, but they could now hold on longer to players like Ziyech and Van de Beek, who instead of going to clubs like AS Roma, Everton or Sevilla didn't see those kind of clubs as such a huge step up as they used to be in the past. Ajax then also started spending more on incoming transfers, not all of which were huge successes, although they profited or didn't lose much on most of them, be it by a smaller margin than was hoped or expected in many cases. You also have to remember that TV money for Eredivisie clubs is negligeble in comparison to the big leagues, especially the Premier League. A club like Luton Town gets more TV money than the whole Eredivisie combined, and although Ajax is the biggest attraction and they do get a bigger slice of the pie, it is still relatively evenly shared amongst all Dutch clubs. Another major factor is that due to Dutch laws, football clubs can't go racking up debts in a effort to improve or sustain a certain level, like is possible in other European countries. In the past clubs have been liquidated for being a few million or even a few hundreds of thousands of Euros in debt, while clubs like Barcelona can go half a billion into debt and still sign players. This means that money has to be set aside and managed in different ways than some other clubs would. The only way for Ajax to sustain the finances they have had over the past seasons, is to qualify for the Champions League every year, finishing at least third in the group to guarantee European football after the winter break, AND sell players for over 50M at the end of the year. By now there are no players left in the squad who represent those kinds of market values, and missing out on Champions League football and all the money that comes with it means that some bleak years might be ahead for Ajax.
We Talk Ajax genuinely is a very decent podcast. I don't even like Ajax and love to hear about the turmoil, but they explain it very well, and are one of few to do so in English.
as a lifelong fan of Ajax, how its going currently is completely and utterly heartbreaking nothing in football hurts worse than seeing the club you love and always have loved slip into something you dont recognize anymore Ajax isnt Ajax anymore...
Roots of the Rivalry: De Klassieker (Ajax vs Feyenoord): th-cam.com/video/YPO08Z_Bv7g/w-d-xo.html
Actually, the biggest rivalry in the Netherlands is PSV Eindhoven vs. Ajax Amsterdam.
no, it's not PSV Eindhoven are from the south while Ajax is from Amsterdam. Feyenoord Rotterdam is from around the same area as Ajax Amsterdam, but Amsterdam and Rotterdam have completely different cultures, that's why they're the biggest rivals in The Netherlands@@marquinhos8776
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next year, when the new format of the Champions League starts, the prize money will be much higher than before.
it is very likely that Feyenoord as the runner-up and PSV as the champion will play in that Champions League, while Ajax will play in the Europa League or the Conference League next season, which will not be nearly as financially strong as the Champions League. I think that because of this, PSV and Feyenoord will be financially much more powerful than Ajax and that is why Ajax is now waiting for a long period without a trophy.
Do you agree with me?
Great vid again Adrian. Thanks for having me on. !! Small correction: Gerrie Hamstra was youth sporting director.
No joke I was thinking to myself “damn I’m bored at work I want some football content.” I refresh, see this at the top, and celebrated. Thank ya Adrian
Here to help.👊
Same 😂
What's also interesting is how they (over)spent over a 100M on relatively unknown players, who pretty much all said they "couldn't believe" that a club like Ajax was interested. I remember seeing their lineup the first game of the season and only knowing like 3-4 players. Most of these players are already being labeled as huge flops
It's early day calling them flops. Although from what I've seen Akpom doesn't look like an Ajax player at all. But to be fair, neither did Seb Haller, and he turned out alright.
@@vizuzHaller was on fire at Utrecht and Frankfurt, but West Ham was a mismatch. He at least had proven himself on the highest level. Akpom never scored more then 10 goals his entire career until last season. And that was in the Championship
This is the greatest thing I’ve never dreamed of experiencing it’s so wonderful btw Feyenoord Rotterdam fan
me too LOL! :-)
Ajax haunts your dreams it seems
@@dnmd5222 no they disgust me
That is honestly pretty childish, you should want your own team to improve not the rivals to fall off.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten stfu we are better than we ever were before and the fall of ajax makes it even more fun
I follow Ajax closely and I must say...this is getting really, really awful right now.
We're currently 14th in the league and with the upcoming fixtures including AZ, Utrecht (Away) (traditional tough games), and PSV away (almost a certain loss last couple of seasons) coupled with AEK Away, and playing the current Brighton 2 times (which may well become 2 absolute beatings, further diminishing the already low morale)
I would not be surprised if we're in the relegation zone a few weeks from now...
Truly horrifying stuff going on at the club atm
well, my club's doing crap too bro... I feel you 😢
@@SukmaPancarobawhat team is it
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next year, when the new format of the Champions League starts, the prize money will be much higher than before.
it is very likely that Feyenoord as the runner-up and PSV as the champion will play in that Champions League, while Ajax will play in the Europa League or the Conference League next season, which will not be nearly as financially strong as the Champions League. I think that because of this, PSV and Feyenoord will be financially much more powerful than Ajax and that is why Ajax is now waiting for a long period without a trophy.
Do you agree with me?
As an Ajax fan, I think that PapiMento guy worded all of it really well. One thing to add on the ending though: a Van Gaal return seems very unlikely. The man is unfortunately struggling with his health, and was quoted admitting he can't even go to the bathroom by himself now. I think it would be too much and totally unfair to ask him, even though he would otherwise be so well suited.
We need someone for the longer term really, as the problems are currently at every level.
For example: this video talks about the issues from the top down, but there's also issues from the bottom up.
Name me the last big attacking talent the Ajax academy has produced. You probably can't, because we haven't produced any for many a year now. The foundation of the club in it's famed youth academy is also seriously failing to produce and consistently losing to rivals at all age groups. We're a heavily offensive team, yet in the past years only some defensively minded players are produced.
We need ex players who understand and want to help the club at so many levels. Yet we've been scaring those off and also getting rid of them for weird reasons lately.
Literally everything at the club currently is broken, this Ajax just isn't Ajax in any way.
I will name you the big attacking talent of Ajax. Their fans. They seem to be descendants of Genghis khan with how they behave.
@@GothPaokiPlease don't generalize. I was at the game in the stadium, many of us including myself left calmly without any issues at all.
Unfortunately clubs have some dumb hooligan groups too. A problem many clubs in the Netherlands have currently.
Problem group of society shows itself in bad times. For example when Feyenoord sucked a few years ago, their supporters stormed their club.
Now Ajax are in bad weather and unfortunately we're shown some of our fanbase are equally dumb.
@@menno7349 yeah I'm talking about the hools not the 99 percent of fans but this 1 percent of fans in the Netherlands in general is worse than others 1 percent of hools of other countries.
And it's not only about ajax either. Feyenoord fans rampaging through Rome in 15, Eindhoven fans mocking beggars in Spain.
All hools are idiots but the volume in which this 1 percent is causing troubles is evidently much more frequent if we also take into account their outside of the country achievements
And in my opinion as someone who's lived in Leiden for more than 15 years is that the Dutch as most northern Europeans are quite snobbish in that issue and they tend to ignore it because of a false sense of superiority when it comes to education. And by Dutch I'm talking about the state itself their attitude is in front of the problem is " no bro shit ain't happening here we're not Balkans" you can't fix a problem by ignoring it.
You are overloading your arguments now man, French fans are worse than ours , Greek and Italian fans of the bad clubs (yes Paok , The Romas etc ) are just as bad
Yes we have a problem, but many other countries do . Unless your German fan , or Spanish Portuguese, only counties I'd rate quite good
Even if they did produce a striker - then they moved on (Danilo?), because the trend since maybe even Ibrahimovic is to have a big central striker from abroad. Huntelaar doesnt fit your criteria with his development at PSV and breakthrough at Heerenveen. Brobbey is now that guy, but probably not good enough. On the flipside, how many wingers have they produced recently. I'm curious to see Axel van Dongen if he will make it.
Damn adrian you’re pumping out a lot of videos! It’s great to have you back, i’ve missed your videos. Wish you the best!
'With diamond after diamond coming from their academy'
* Shows pic of Frenkie de Jong who was 18 when he signed for Ajax after he went through the Willem II academy *
Worryingly both Overmars and Van Der Sar suffered serious health issues recently reports of a stroke and a brain bleed, the stress both must have been under was awful 😔
Amazing video and informative! I had no clue Ajax were in this much disarray. It'll be fascinating to see where they go from here.
Great stuff adrian, you have a fan in trinidad 🇹🇹 for sure 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thank you bro!
adriano from an ajax fan this is the harshest time weve faced so far, but i know we gonna get back on top with things, if succes is temporary then also is failure
The great fall has only just started. No ship can be steered without a captain.
So I'm an Aberdeen fan and I don't follow Dutch football but I'm not the slightest bit surprised that Ajax are crap this year.
Last season we needed a backup keeper in January and Ajax very kindly gave us the use of one of their lads. He played 4 games and was fine, but our main goalie was better.
Ajax main keeper (Player 8/9 games) this year is the ex second choice goalie at Aberdeen.
Something must be wrong with your scouting + buying network for this to happen at such a big club.
What went wrong is both Rulli and Pasveer got injured, Gorter is really just meant to be our 3rd choice goalkeeper. Not denying something is seriously wrong with our scouting and buying network, but Gorter playing is simply due to bad luck.
While there are 100% issues with the scouting, Jay Gorter is not supposed to be our 1st choice at all. There were talks of him being sold, when the other options were injured. The only other option just joined 1 day before the injury to Rulli happened, so they chose Gorter. Very unlikely to stay there long term.
@@thomasvrielink299 Fair enough, didn't know that. Like I said, I don't follow Dutch football
Kudos to thomasvrielink there, injuries are a factor too. Current keeper was supposed to be loaned out, but in the first game a long injury for Rulli and the new German keeper was new at the club for like 2 days, so Gorter got a chance. A perfect storm of absolute shit atm on every level. Why the papimento guy is in the video is pretending to talk for all ajax-fans or is used as a source of knowledge is beyond me too to be honest. Very little actual insights there, just a talking punter promoting his own social media stuff. Thanks for the video though 👍
Pasveer and Rulli are injured.
Bro, Santiago Gimenez made Ajax rage quit.
Awesome stuff as per usual, coincidentally, I was listening to the Athletic podcast on my way to work today and in addition to Sven's dismissal Ajax Supervisory Board Chair Pier Eringa has resigned. This probably happened after Papi's conversation with Adrian otherwise it would have come up in the video.
Also, according to one of the guests on earlier mentioned podcast, a few of the other reasons why Sven lost his job were that he once went into the lockeroom post match and told players that Steijn was kinda/sorta about to be sacked (behind Steijns back) also Sven was under an external investigation for 'conflicts of interest in transfers', that plus the poor job he did in recruiting probably amounted to the straw that broke the camel's back.
So just an FYI for some of the stuff that happened after Adrian recorded this as well as some "grape vine" kinda stuff.
I’ve seen this with various big and historic clubs over Europe.
Letting a match get abandoned on purpose is so so weak. Your true support is shown on moments things get rough. They have big mouths when on top, but crybabies when losing.
For English speaking football fans, this is a great video documenting the current status of the club.
Not going to lie, but as a Feyenoord supporter, this is one of the most beautiful trainwrecks I’ve ever seen. Sadly, I have to admit that in the past thirty years it was mostly turmoil at Feyenoord; financial crisis, not playing in European competitions, some “fans” doing dumb stuff abroad in Nancy, Rome or what not.
And what happened next, Ajax was almost always on top, which got increasingly frustrating over the years. However, ever since last season, they are slipping and it’s bizarre to see how quickly they are tumbling.
We benefit more from a stronger Ajax, but again, seeing them like this… it does put a smile on my face.
haha, understandable mate, but i feel it would be more satisfying if you could beat them at there best, it would mean more no?
@@joemamma8927 hes a feyenoord fan so he really doesnt look at the game
@@oldbordergeek damn, why the hate for feyenoord fans? You support ajax?
@@joemamma8927 this is how they behave when things aren’t going their way. Shame really.
And sure, that’s what I meant that a stronger Ajax is more beneficial, but getting humble for a while is not a bad turn of events for the club and their fans.
I feel like Eusebio di francesco would have been heaven for ajax
Kjetil Knutsen would've been good
@@erinadeola8387 well Knutsen going to ajax is no going to happen
@david_yordanov got to semi final with roma.
Sassuolo europa league and came 7th
@@david_yordanov and currently with frosinone newly promoted already has 9 points
@erinadeola8387 potentially however bodo glint to ajax is a huge step
great video once again! love the stuff
As someone who's being at the Netherlands for more than 15+ years I'll say Dutch football as a whole has always been tumultuous to say the least.
Ajax feyenoord specifically has always smelled trouble outside the stadium with lots of violence on the streets and the government even issuing restrictions on fans movement from town to town.
And as great as Netherlands is as a country I have the worst opinion about Dutch fans. There's this largely superficial and wrong impression that northern Europeans are somehow more civilized than the southerns because their countries are financially more stable etc which couldn't be more wrong.
And it's quite clear over the years that shit is out of control. I do remember a lot of controversy inside the country as well as outside of it. I was stunned when ajax fans were chanting anti Jewish chants in Ajax Tottenham game ( mind you ajax has a Jewish background and Israeli flags are very common in their stadium) i could go even more back with them celebrating the twente fireworks factory disaster in which several people died.
And ofc not just Ajax fans. There's been examples of feyenoord fans vandalizing the city of Rome in 15 and pissing or destroying monuments or Eindhoven fans mocking beggars in spain and documenting their actions. If there's one country where the level of education does not reflect on it's fans it's the Netherlands.
Not Dutch, but from an outsider perspective Dutch people are really well behaved. The football fans on the other hand may be different, but in general hooligans haven't exactly been known as Mensa members. Just look up the video from last season and English fans causing disturbances in Barcelona.
I am close friends with a diehard Schalke fan and he seemed to be fascinated by the Feyenoord Ultra scene. He showed me many videos and told me stories that weren’t so friendly to say the least 😅. However, I’ve met countless Dutch football fans at German league games in Germany and they were well behaved. Nothing to complain about. Same goes from my experience visiting the Netherlands in general.
You make some decent points there (Paoki, Greek I take it ?)
There is a definite disconnect between the wealth Dutch society still had until now and how the football fans behave
I'm an AZ fan , but I do want to argue that some of the worst European clubs, fanwise , recently visited my club, and other Durch team , and some of them seem to come to us specifically to cause more trouble than they do elsewhere
West Ham and Legia warsxhau for example have horrible reputations in their own right and came to cause riots and then whine about it
AS Roma versus Feyenoord or the upcoming Lazio clash, roman fans are no Angel's, again , bad reps in their own right
French football is , as their society , very very violent more so than Dutch , but somehow still flies below the radar in international news about it
Legia warschau could cause a real mess for our away game I suppose , we will see in the winter
@@mickeymrinlandrabbit9297jullie vielen de west ham mensen aan toch ?
It's so weird to me that the US is considered more violent than Europe but in the US violence related to sports is so much less common. Even for college sports, which are more "tribal" than pro sports, fans of each team mingle inside and outside the stadium with little trouble. There might be some words exchanged but it's usually lighthearted.
as much as I'd LOVE to see Louis coming in and sweeping the club and making sure Ajax is Ajax again, it wouldnt feel right placing that kind of pressure on a man as ill as he is.
maybe itd be cool to have him sit down with Steijn and talk to him about football and coaching, fulfilling the role of an assistant or adviser. I just would love to see a real Ajax legend live Louis coming back. the club is barely Ajax anymore
1 thing not mentioned in this video is that sven mislintat the ex sporting director is under investigation for possible conflict of interest in some of the transfers he has made. He owns a scouting agency and a agent is a minor investor in the company, a few players he has bought in switched from agents in the last day yes the same agent with the share in mislintats business. And because of this he is under investigation and later he left due to the reason ajax given. But the investigation is still very much on
Also, he was not that great at Arsenal so not really sure how he "made his name" at arsenal. He signed Aubameyang and Leno that have done well, other than that, all duds. (Mhkitaryan, Mavropanos, Sokratis, Torreira, Guendouzi and Lichtsteiner)
It's been coming a long time. Scouting has not been working, scouts were even refusing to talk to each other. For YEARS. . Head of scouting left this summer. Head of youth left this summer. CEO left this summer. Head of the board left aswell. Further down in the organization it has been a mess for a longer time. Ten Hag and Overmars were quality. But there was nothing behind it. We relied on them 2 to make it work. Recruiting and youth development are the most important thing. And our recruitment for coaches and players was to rely on good relationships with agents and quality of Ten Hag and Overmars. Without an clear strategy. When they left there was nothing.
The problem traces back to 2010: every time Ajax focusses too little on its core values (attacking football, alumni of the club, academy players) and rely too much on people from the outside (many incoming transfers, external coach, external director of football) it always goes wrong in Amsterdam. Back in 2010, Johan Cruijff was still there to correct the course of the club by emphasizing the need of having people with Football- and Ajax-DNA in the key positions of the organization.
Ajax recovered in a matter of six years and then had six very solid years internationally. It went wrong when the majority of these key people started falling away: Wim Jonk in late 2015, Dennis Bergkamp in late 2017, Marc Overmars in early 2022 and Edwin van der Sar this summer. The solution is simple, the club needs true Ajax-people with some football legacy in their organization. Not the oldies, let the generation of the 1990s try: John van t Schip, Aron Winter, return of Winston Bogarde, those kind of people.
You're also ignoring how Ajax their expenditure (mainly on amortization and wages) needed CL football every year to get funded, which they missed out on, leaving a financial gap
Damn back to back videos 😮💨
No mention of Sven’s potential transfer scandal? Pretty sure that was the biggest reason for their parting
May thee be in the mud for a long time and suffer greatly. - Feyenoordians 19:08
PSV as well. We're the top 2 now.
I didn’t do hope they bounce back on the huge fan of Ajax. I just feel a bit bad for them when they have to keep selling their players. Yes I know they’ve got a amazing Academy and players all, always want to expand their horizons in play for the top six It’s just a shame it dampen success in the European front and all
As a feyenoord fan this is realy funny to see😂
Long may it continue! 😄
Probably cus feyenoord took 17 years to recover.. ajax will be back withing a few seasons as always
@@dnmd5222 salty ajax fans as always, so funny go storm ur stadium lol
@@diegoboutkan718 aahh typical feyenoord fan crying aboit ajax as always..
Go trash some monuments in rome
@@dnmd5222 hahahah lol the salt continues, go throw some flares because you get fucked to hard😂😂
Thank you Adrian for distracting me from my breakup
You’ll get through it bro! We all been there and it get’s better even though it may not feel like it now.
I'm from The Netherlands and i can tell you that all non Ajax supporters have their popcorn and are enjoying this to the fullest 😂
Time to tone their ego's down a notch!
On the real though, i do hope their problems are fixed soon, it would be a big blow for our already useless competition if Ajax won't claw back next season, this one is wasted already.
So much money evaporated on players we've never heard off. Bad trainers after ten Hag left, no idea what Steijn is doing there.. like wtf! And EVERYBODY from the board of directors should be kicked out, today! They made this mess and they should leave. Already 1 guy left by himself, for Ajax i hope the rest will take his lead (but i doubt it). There are no ex footballers on that board as far as i know, atleast nobody that knows how to run a football club or knows about the technical side of football.
If they get kicked somehow, and appoint some good people (van Praag will come back to the club which is good) then next season we will see a decent Ajax again in our league.
For now, i ran out of popcorn, gonna get some more 😂
Yeah Van Der Sar wasn’t really well liked.
Both Seedorf and Davids had applied at Ajax but never heard anything from him (be it in the youth academy or more on the board side of things, I still think would have been great and better replacement for Overmars)
Winston Bogarde on a Dutch football talkshow called Rondo had told the panel, when he came in to help train youth defenders. That he had a conversation with Van Der Sar about possible promotion, according to him van der Sar burst out laughing and then said: there’s no opportunity. I think like around December that year ETH approached him to join the staff.
Michael Reiziger who was gunning for the job (he made the reserve squad champions) both after ETH left and Schreuder got axed and after they needed a new manager after Heitinga was let go. He also left
I’m not saying Van Der Sar has a problem with it black peoples but it definitely looks like he has problems with them
Uhm no, Mislintat was hired in April. He also should not get a free pass since he bought players whose agent has shares in Sven’s company.
Honestly Adrian don’t have this guy on the show.
Steijn last 2 seasons were at Sparta were more Ajax style oriented football at Sparta.
Van Der Sar and Reiziger have known each other since they were children, having come through the Ajax academy together and winning a Champion's League at Ajax, Bogarde was also in that team, they played their entire international career's with Edwin as their keeper, insinuating he is Racist is disgraceful 🧐
@@barrymurphy3379 yeah he didn’t chose those teams now did he? Like he wasn’t the manager… don’t be gullible and stupid
My club is bleeding out
This is the most shallow and devoid of realism video on the problems I've seen so far.
You can't have succes every year, but the fans really showed their real faces. They had the biggest mouth, past 5 years. They would let the first team play in the Champions League, and the second in the Dutch league. After 5 games its sabotage with fireworks, and breaking the front door. And not for the first time. Biggest club, smallest fans.
Can you make a video on Juve and allegri
When you become a selling club for the europes elite every season there is always going to come a time when those you bring in to replace are not as good as those you sold and thats one of the resaons for the drop in performance.. club needs to start saying no to the big money and put the team first
Easier said than done.
its a normal cycle for ajax.
in few years time, they will play with potential world class youngsters, do well in champion league, sell them for hundreds of million, become worst. repeat.
Southampton, Leeds and Leicester are all proof that strategy can backfire.
@@garyandertonwhat else they can do? Money talk
Funny because Stiejn’s son Sem scored against Ajax when they played against Twente
Papi says they need a director of football with balls who is an alpha male. Yous already had one with Overmars, and apparently it was so much of a problem you had to sack him. Make that lady coach who complained the DoF. That'll fix it.
i dont get the mislintat thing. how is it a conflict of interest if the stuttgart agreed to the transfer and sosa didnt strike or something to force the move.
It's not explained too well in the video, but it was a personal deal between Mislintat and Sosa's agent, who owns a 3% share in an analytics company owned by Mislintat. Since Ajax is listed on the stock exchange, such potential conflicts of interest need to be disclosed, like, by law, but this one wasn't.
@@BrianStorm742 yeah i knew that the agents of sosa also own share in his analysis company. but in the end no one got screwed over or anything. seems to me like its just about technicalities. its not like sosa did anything bad you could say mislintat maybe influenced to push the price or something. so this being made into a big deal seems really weird to me
@@TheBusbyBabes nobody's blaming Sosa, though. It's not his fault. The fact that it wasn't disclosed is suspicious in itself.
@@BrianStorm742 yeah im not saying that but in some german media i get the impression they try to frame mislintat like a criminal when i dont believe its a big deal since no one got harmed
@@TheBusbyBabes but he did break the law.
Utrecht (a) and PSV (a)... Ajax will be in the relegation zone soon. in Hato they have a real world class centre back in the making, but at 17 it's not like he's ready to be the rock in that totally shite new defence. Vos and Axel van Dongen emerging is good. I'm surprised Taylor stayed, but he will have to prove they can build a team around his engine room / recycling in the midfield. More worrying for me, is that for a few years, Ajax2 have also been total crap.
Santi 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Well they made a lot of money with antony and others. Sven didnt get time, and if it's proved that he made some dodgy transfers to an agency he had percentages on...what a mess. Relying on old men os not the way it should be, but sometimes like hodgson in palace or xavi in Barcelona, might be a short term solution, but not a future prospect into the future.
ngl as a feyenoord fan (arsenal still my no1 team that will never change but a fan of feyenoord cause of when reiss nelson was there) ajax failing gives me so much joy especially since that vermin berghuis is there getting packed by twente
How? Winning the league without a good ajax must be so satisfying dont it?....
@@dnmd5222 if anything it makes it better
Good riddance. I am so tired to hear about a team that has a decent line up every 20 years and it get called the school of football and similar bollocks.
THANK YOU
That was in 6 CL finals , won 4 of them, spanning over decades including CL semis , always with a lot less money to spend than any Serie A club when they had their big money age , or soanish and enlgish clubs later
The lack of respect for smaller european countries is incredible
Dutch clubs were in 8 CL finals , won 6 of them , more than France (1!) Portugal and the many not ever winning countries combined
Recently, even without any real money these days , Dutch clubs played two european finals and a near CL final
Dutch players and coaches layedt the foundation for Barcelona , won three European cups for Milan , which they never won without those world class players
We've got one fifth of your bigger counties populations, show some dammn respect
@@mickeymrinlandrabbit9297 I am well aware of Ajax achievements and doesn't belittle what i wrote. Ajax is cyclical. Here how it goes: NOTHING - Cruyff - Nothing - Van Basten - Nothing - Van Gaal - Nothing - Nothing - Semi Final CL with overrated players already irrelevant in european football. No one belittles dutch achievements. They just need to be considered for the actual contribution rather than be marvelled by virtue of dogmatic respect. I have the right respect for Ajax, you on the other hand are delusional.
We were amazing in the 18/19 season and now we are in shambles. I guess just being average isn't enough hahah
Im here because of santi 😅
I would bring the AZ Alkmaar sporting director and the coaching team as well
Getting xavi to talk about Ajax is some good work from Ramona TV
FEYENOORD ROTTERDAM
Me too movement destroyed Ajax end of story
new song for Ajax "" i can"t stand loosing""
"Ajax philosophy", "Ajax style", Ajax this, Ajax that. It's all just utter BS if you ask me. Why is great football expected only when they win? Right now, they are losing and nobody wants to see "Ajax football", they just want to see them win the game. If they cared so much about the "Ajax system", they would be happy to play it, even if it means losing a game. The only things that counts is winning and whoever says that's not true, can take current Ajax as an example. There is no such thing as "Ajax football". It has never existed. There are lots of other teams who play attacking football. It's just arrogant to think that Ajax invented it. They clearly didn't.
Which shows you know absolutely nothing about the evolution of football and how innovative Ajax and Oranje were spanning 1968-1974 with 5 consecutive Dutch Cl finals, 4 wins , two consecutive world cup finals all involving a then novel system with offside trapping wingbacks , outside players and many ideas by michels, later the foundation of Cruyf at Barca which became their style , many times admitted by Xavi or Guardiola
You dont know anything man
In a summer where saudi isnt throwing Millions like darts Ajaxs would've got someone like Jaissle as a coach
Helemaal niets in Amsterdam, Helemaal niets in Amsterdam😂😂😂
i think they should of stuck with Heitinga
Honestly I don't believe he'll ever make a great head coach. But he offered to step back down and still help out, at which I still feel weird that we're refusing help of former players. In no position to do so.
Ajax and Lyon both having abnormally bad starts to their seasons
Why is Lyon mentioned everywhere I the same breath with Ajax . Ajax has a bigger history and trophy cabinet than Manchester United, let alone Lyon , who never really won anything of importance
Fans these days dont really take the historical impact of clubs into account it seems
Few sidenotes.. This 'brilliant' Overmars didnt want Ziyech a few years ago. After a period of public pressure and mediocre Ajax he went with it and from the arrival of Ziyech on everything started to click. Van der Sar was already unsuited for any kind of function high up the tree. But just with Feyenoord at the moment, succes and good football can camouflage reality. Ajax supporters are just not very critical, mostly. But what has been rotting for many years now, finally came out. And the problem is broader then just replacing some puppets.
Feyenoord will always be the biggest club in the netherlands
Feyenoord, What Color is your Buga... i mean Champions League trophy
Clicked so fast 😂...Ajax tryna rival Marseille.
Appreciate you, Taps!
Shouldn't Ajax have been punished with a forfeit, fine, and a stadium ban? I'd like a points deduction too.
It would encourage them to be selective about their fan base.
The most satisfying downfall of a football club 🥰🥰
portugal winger- usman dembele
It’s time to bring back the lion of Sweden
It seems this club has been served up a gigantic portion of Karma. Some humility wont hurt for them. Good luck 'sons of gods' Welcome back to earth
#SteijnOut
Ajax are on relegation playoff spot now
Ajax might actually relegate lol
Team died with Donny Van De Beek
Donny Van De Beek died too
Basically Ajax signed flops after years of good signings …
Long may the downfall continue!
Ajax needs Erik ten Hag back!
Problem is Manchester United are in a terrible form. 4 defeats in just 7 starting games is so bad!
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"alpha male" wtf? lol
I love asian message parlors
Hooligan fans don"t deserve a club. END Ajax NOW!
So the current fall of Ajax began because of Overmars's horniness 😂😂😂😂😂
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As someone new to club football, my genuine first impression of Ajax was when a bunch of thuggish fans dressed in all black tried to storm the visiting team's hospitality seats and only to get pummeled by two stereotypical English football fans. When you make the latter look like heros, you know you royally screwed up.
As much as I hate Ajax: that was AZ Alkmaar, not Ajax.
@@BrianStorm742Regardless it's still hilarious 😆
@@BrianStorm742 TH-cam is awful with notifications up until now, yet I had been corrected earlier about it. I think that I confused the two, as I believe it was held at Ajax's pitch.
@@plasticwalnut7650 no it wasn't.
@@BrianStorm742 Then I just don't know how I made the connection beyond plain ignorance. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
Criminal club.
Lol when did ajax ever have a rise and its farmers league
I mean theyve won like 35 of the last 40 league titles or something absurd like that, you cant keep that up for forever.
Ajax have won 36 league titles in their history and half are not in the last 40 years
Seeing Ajax shit the bed... wonderful. Now a Barca collapse would be the cherry on top of the cake.
Hahaha 😂
first view😁
Must have been a reason why Mislintat was not wanted any longer by Dortmund. Only misses after his exit there...
Ajax literally is the Kindergarten of the Elftal. If you change their style you change theirs, too...
If you follow Ajax closely, you'd notice that after 2015 there were already problems and the club wasn't performing at the highest level. The arrival of Ten Hag completely transformed us into an elite team again and the minute he has left, we regressed significantly. Even the elite players we produced in recent times were a result of the coaching of Ten Hag and his team. We need to focus on finding the next prodigal manager.
the last season with Ten Hag wasn't good either, at least they won the league tho
@@hr-g4640 I mean we sold a lot of our good players and he still rebuilt the team and won the league in the same season using a different system. I'm not sure what more you'd want?
@@hr-g4640first in champions league group?
Also the arrival of Marc Overmars as the Director of Football who recruited some of the best outstanding young talent since the Louis Van Gaal era in the 90's.
@@taliamason7986 Yea but he already mentions this as the main point in the video. I'm bringing up the Ten hag thing because its important and Adrian doesn't touch on it. I think he ignores this point because he hates United for some reason.
There is also a potential scandal brewing around Mislintat and the transfer of Sosa from Stuttgart. Apparently Sosas agency holds a 3% share in an analytics company by Mislintat and this conflict of interest was not declared.
I don’t know what conduct is normal in the football business but tbh I don’t think that this sounds that bad, however it might still be relevant
Yea inside rules at ajax forbid that but Ajax knew it for a long time and they didn't do anything for it so i don't think it's that relevant. It was his actions before the feyenoord game that sealed his fate.
As a Dutchie, this situation is both awful and entertaining. Based on their 2018/19 season, Ajax seemed confident they would become the Dutch Bayern Munich. Turns out the foundation of that success was weak enough to be toppled by a few nude pictures. PSV and Feyenoord FAR outclass Ajax at this moment. Parity has been restored. The Netherlands has 3 top clubs, and that will remain the status quo.
Based on this seasons form (and the failure of the rebuild) its clear Netherlands have 3 top clubs, and as an Ajax fan its pretty painful to say those are PSV, Feijenoord and AZ.
I have one question and i am genuinely confused. Clubs from the Netherlands and Portugal usually earn a lot by selling players. Where does that money go? They relatively have a low salary for players and cost less to run. I always think where the money goes whenever they sell players usually to big clubs from PL.
Actually, the last 5 years or so Ajax has upped their player's wages dramatically in an effort to attract players like Tadic and Blind, who otherwise wouldn't have come back to the Eredivisie from the Premier League, and to make sure they wouldn't lose players immediately after one good season, like what usually happened in the past. Of course when clubs like Barcelona and Juventus were ready to spend 75M+ on players like Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt, offering them anual salaries of 10M+, you're gonna lose them, but they could now hold on longer to players like Ziyech and Van de Beek, who instead of going to clubs like AS Roma, Everton or Sevilla didn't see those kind of clubs as such a huge step up as they used to be in the past. Ajax then also started spending more on incoming transfers, not all of which were huge successes, although they profited or didn't lose much on most of them, be it by a smaller margin than was hoped or expected in many cases.
You also have to remember that TV money for Eredivisie clubs is negligeble in comparison to the big leagues, especially the Premier League. A club like Luton Town gets more TV money than the whole Eredivisie combined, and although Ajax is the biggest attraction and they do get a bigger slice of the pie, it is still relatively evenly shared amongst all Dutch clubs.
Another major factor is that due to Dutch laws, football clubs can't go racking up debts in a effort to improve or sustain a certain level, like is possible in other European countries. In the past clubs have been liquidated for being a few million or even a few hundreds of thousands of Euros in debt, while clubs like Barcelona can go half a billion into debt and still sign players. This means that money has to be set aside and managed in different ways than some other clubs would.
The only way for Ajax to sustain the finances they have had over the past seasons, is to qualify for the Champions League every year, finishing at least third in the group to guarantee European football after the winter break, AND sell players for over 50M at the end of the year. By now there are no players left in the squad who represent those kinds of market values, and missing out on Champions League football and all the money that comes with it means that some bleak years might be ahead for Ajax.
We Talk Ajax genuinely is a very decent podcast. I don't even like Ajax and love to hear about the turmoil, but they explain it very well, and are one of few to do so in English.
I’m a Feyenoord fan and this has been the most fun time ever because of these clowns hahaha
Don't worry about a thing 'Cause every little thing gonna be alright 🎶🎵
as a lifelong fan of Ajax, how its going currently is completely and utterly heartbreaking
nothing in football hurts worse than seeing the club you love and always have loved slip into something you dont recognize anymore
Ajax isnt Ajax anymore...
We moeten overmars terughalen dat was de spil achter t succes imo
As a feyenoord fan, it fills me with joy to see them like this.
je moeder
Tokkie
Ajax hired Van Gaal as adviser. He will fix everything.