I have never heard about the kroot before.Seriously.Where does all this info come from & why is it not more common?How come noone talks about the kroot if they're this important?I thought the developers released a new faction!
Btw, you forgot that Orks evolve back into Krorks when they fight enough. They grow in proportion to the fighting they do. The reason the Krorks devolved into Orks is that the Eldar refused to fight them and simply orbitally bombarded them into oblivion. In the War of the Beast, the Orks evolved into Krorks under the guidance of one Krork, they not only got incredibly advanced technology allowing teleportation and gravity manipulation but were very intelligent compared to modern Orks (they sent an ambassador to Terra when they sieged it. The ambassador was negotiating for Terra’s survivor, and called humans *barbaric* when they refused adamantly)
It's less that, but the fact that crisis suits sold... A LOT of boxes. Which is really just a self fulfilling prophesy of making their best and versatile unit also have a subfaction that spam them (Farsight) while the Kroot got zero support. So GW had the choice of turning them into Battletech or Star Trek and they chose the mechs for $$$.
Tau are messy as Tau like range, Tau like guns, You are in trouble when Tau is in melee. So a lot of the support, models, and battle tactics are to give more guns to Tau (drones, mechs, ships, guns) and the Kroot were made to act as the melee guard. Yet unless you are playing A video game... Kroot get no support and are just a flavor dressing that some new people use, but not enough to make a Kroot force. Dawn of War had you pick between Tau extra range or Kroot melee boost with the upper tier units unlocked by picking A path. So in those games they can be equals... But those game that add the Tau are not that common and thus not focused on. Which is a shame since Kroot are also supposed to be mercs that anyone can hire so being able to see them thrown in other factions would have been nice if only to give them more support.
@@HellecticMojo It's such a shame, because I've always loved the basic Fire Warrior models, and I'd like to see more cool infantry Tau, but it's always all-in on the battlesuits.
Well everyone had good responses. Kroot get left behind because of many reasons. The tau has better and more pt expensive models, people generally don't start off as a tau players (unless they are anime obsessed) and likely become tau players for the shooting, the kroot have little support even now, and kroot don't fit the tau well at all aesthetically. But honestly it's also because kroot can't stand alone, even with the new model releases fighting orks with only kroot would be a suicide run. They are really good at sharpening the edges of a tau army, but they are wall flowers, not exceptionally good at anything.
One thing you forgot about Orks is that they grow smarter and stronger in response to violence. This is why Krorks were not only smarter but physically stronger. Interestingly when an Ork waagh got powerful enough to start an invasion on Holy Terra. They were advanced enough to attempt diplomacy with the humans, though not smart enough to realize the futility of that.
Oh drat, happy to see someone else knows this little tidbit too! War of Beast was something else fo' sure, I say it was closest Orks could have been to Krorks
yeah, I want to point this out. orks aren't limited in intelligence, technology, or society. however without reaching the level of Krorks, they can't unlock that potential, and without the external driving threat to bring that out, they regress to the level where they are.
This is genuinely better than 90% of the Warhammer videos on youtube, when others just read the wiki and repeat the same jokes, this guy understands what he is talking about
At the top of my head, I can't think of a better 40k video than this. As a Kroot player I honestly feel pretty bad that theres not one of these types of video for every faction that eloquently describes both the appeal and shortcomings of a faction that make it so awesome to engage with them in the first place. It was really eye-opening to see that Tyranids and Kroot mirror each other as a hivemind that consumes for the sake of consumption and a community that consumes and evolves for the sake of self improvement
As someone who knows very little about warhammer this was a great introduction and sold me the universe. I don’t have any interest about the games or the figurine part of it but the lore is very interesting.
@@aaawa2074Same! I never was interested in Warhammer 40k and clicked on this video thinking it was something else. But I stayed because of how well it was explained and the more I learned about this universe the more I was convinced that I can start diving deeper into this lore.
A. He fumbles the war in heaven by making it seem like the Necrontyr became the necrons before declaring war on Old Ones, when their losses against the Old Ones were one of the reasons that they were driven to align themselves with the C'Tan initially. (Besides of course the promise of immortality) B. Orks are strong but they are dwarfed in power (and most likely number) by the nids, which can fully consume ork worlds, one of the few ways to end an ork infestation, as they consume all of the planet's biomass. The vid is entertaining but far from perfect and flubs core concepts about 40k, including substituting the power level of nids for orks. Personally considering their use of genetic adaptation, imo nids and kroot are better rivals.
"OMG Kroot cannibalize their brethren!!! Crazy how degenerate those xenos truly are. Anyway, where was I, oh yes and after the great Captain died all the other space marines feasted on his brain to conserve his most valuable memories."
What I think is super interesting is that their rivalry may indeed date back a LONG while ago. Kroot myth speakers of their creator, the goddess Vawk, doing battle with the god Gmork in a battle across the "nothing sea", which was what they called space. It plays out like most creator myths, with Vawk's body going on to create the mountains and world of Pech. What's unique though, is that the ancestors of the Kroot are said to have come from Vawk's dying breath after she accidentally consumed some of the tainted blood of Gmork. If we extrapolate this myth, it seems to imply that in some distant past a native creature on Pech might have consumed Ork(or even Krork!) blood and, now tainted by the genetic knowledge within it, went on to give rise to the Kroot as we know them. Looking at the Kroot, this actually makes sense. Their pronounced lower jaws, seeming mastery of primitive technology intertwined with an understanding of warp travel; they even possess latent warp manipulation in the form of belief, causing their Master Shapers to manifest psyker-level abilities. The Kroot seem to have always possessed the ability to steal DNA, and indeed are the embodiment of the idea of natural evolution as you discussed. But it's interesting to consider that in meeting the Orks, the Kroot have been allowed to "cheat" and jump ahead in the evolutionary line millions of years by pulling the most pragmatic traits of the Orks from them without losing what it means to be "Kroot". I guess what I'm saying is, while the Orks may have the lead in numbers the Kroot have likely already "learned" all they can from the Orks in their distant past and have simply moved on. The rivalry is already over, the Orks are just too dumb to realize it yet.
Except that it is still not uncommon for Kroot to consume Orks. The shapers limit it somewhat because too much Ork, whilst offering a lot of physical benefits really starts taking a toll on both IQ and inhibition, but there is still a lot to be gained.
Fascinating idea. I like the thought of it. Even though current Shapers allow the occasional consumption of Orks, it doesn't mean that in the distant past the "tainted flesh" Vawk tasted wasn't Krork or Ork flesh that jump started Kroot onto the path they're now on. Cool stuff
@@darthplagueis13 Thats because the first ever kroot. Where the spawn of Krorks. While the current Orks are so below a Krork as the genetics are dormant. The Kroot cannot extract it. So thats why Kroots thend to not over consume Orks. But i can guarantee you, thats only because of how current Orks are.
It sounds like the Kroot are descendents of an ancient starfaring species that once were nearly annihilated by the Krork. In the war they attempted to modify themselves in order to better combat the Krork and became able to evolve via ingestion of foes. Their survivors fled to Pech and over the eons, their culture refined themselves as their history became myth and legend. Eventually, they returned to the stars, and the Tau stumbled upon them.
One thing I will always be in awe of the Kroot is them going toe-to-toe against Hive Fleet Hyrda, THE hyper adaptive hive fleet, having an evolution arms race as they duke it out in the forest. They adapted and counter adapted so hard that the end result were tyranids with perfect camouflage that got destroyed by Tau fire arms bc Hyrda had zero armour after the camouflage arms race.
@@rigen97I believe that's the only real strategy of defeating tyranids. To force them to adapt to two directly opposite strategies. Either they will perish in a similar way as above, or will have a middle-ground adaptation to both strategies which won't give them any advantage over them, and tyranids are only powerful when they have an overwhelming advantage over their enemies.
Woah what? It wasnt the Kroot that stood against them, it was the *entire* Tau Enpire. Not just the Kroot. And the hive fleet was defeated because it was overwhelmed by both the late arrival of Imperial reinforcements for the Damocles Crusade and the Tau themselves. The Nids couldnt adapt quick enough to fight two extremely different enemies And also, the tyranids became invulnerable to Tau Pulse weapons at one point. They didnt stop evolving after gaining camouflage lol. The Tau were forced to downtech and somehow re equipped their armies to use whatever weapons they used before pulse technology became their primary weapons tech
this is honestly the most presentable 40k lore video I've ever seen. I could easily show this to my friends. there's no bragging about how powerful something is, no playing into warhammer's absurdity, and it makes the video really good! keep it up!
@@fancyelk2373 Still not ad verbatim. It's still not an exact reading of the wiki. -He doesn't just add Aussie curses, but uses colorful languages to explain shit.- _(Actually, I just watched his latest vid, and he barely curses anymore. But it's still not ad verbatim of wiki pages.)_ So again, where are these lore videos that's just regurgitating wiki pages ad verbatim? Because I can vaguely remember only *_One_* channel, and it was so bad it's since faded to obscurity, I don't even remember their channel name.
@@jocosesonata i think you might be hyper focusing on the words "ad verbatim" dude, probably just talking about the majorkill, wesshammer style of video where they reiterate lore that can be found on pages.
@@eli8286 I'm just questioning and refuting such a baseless claim that it's a word-for-word read-through of wiki pages (which is what ad verbatim means) when it's very much not the case, that is apparently targeted at every other lore channel - not specific to Majorkill or Weshammer. Like, yeah, of course they'll say some things you'd find on wiki pages, where do you think the wiki editors got it from in the first place? Such a weird and needless shade thrown. They're lore videos, what did he expect? They're meant to tell us the lore. Hell, Leutin09, one of the more popular and extensive lore channels, cannot be accused of reading wiki pages ad verbatim. I just don't get where it's coming from.
The fact that Warhammer has so many cool smaller groups and factions operating across the galaxy that barely have any artwork, or stories, let alone actually getting even a single model just demonstrates how great this setting is. I love the Kroot, I wish they got more shine since they are easily some of my favorite part of the xenos of 40K
Sadly, 40k has made xenophobia something "based", and as the majority of players uses any of the Imperium armies, specially Guard and Astartes, Xenos, chaos, and the real cool stuff don't have the same following. My favorite part of Sci-fi, aside of the cool tech, will ALWAYS be the alien species, and now after wathcing works like All Tomorrows and Hunamity lost, I love some post humans as well... But again, in 40k, all xenos are only degraded by the same 5 jokes this community repeats ad nausea. Xenos species, bot non and hostile alike, deserve a bigger representation in 40k than just things for the "heroes" of the empire to purge.
@XmortoxX1990 Yeah doesn't surprise me that there's a lot of far-right anti-semitism laced in with some of the players. That said, not all fans are that way. But it happens in any Fandom.
Greetings my friends from beyond and within the grave. In the short time in which we inhabit this world, It would be my honor to offer you a new life with Christ. Let today be the day you begin
As a biologist with a growing interest in warhammer, this video was amazing. I love the detail and complexity to the lore here, how orks are fungus, kroot are bacteria, and tyranids are viruses
The fact that Kroot keep enemy captives alive so when they are eaten, they are fresher and of higher quality. And they have giant coolers where they store the dead enemies for later consumption
I just love the duality of the Kroot. On the battlefield they are some of the worst and most savage things you can run on the setting (they literally will eat and tear you apart alive) and they certainly look the part. However, outside of combat they are perfectly chill, hell docile even, and are perfectly capable of hanging out and forming bonds with others, be it each other, T'au or other T'au auxiliaries. I also like how accepting they are of others, not only the coltures of their clients but also of their evolutionary dead ends. They still treat the Krootox, Kroot Hounds etc etc like family and while different Kindred have different oppinions on how the species as a whole should change, they never really class with each other over such differences.
I think the Kroot will first kill you, usually fairly quickly and painlessly compared to the rest of the species / factions and then they MIGHT eat you if their shapers deem your DNA worthy to be absorbed.
while yeah, they can form bonds with others, i don't know if 'perfectly chill' is exactly how i'd describe them. as an example, here's a line from the 10th ed codex "In times of war, famine, or other event that might force them to move quickly, they will eat their old, young, and infirm, who might otherwise slow them down" in the first blackstone fortress book, the character of dahyak grekh is portrayed as very quick to use violence even when it's not necessarily the best idea. he almost gets himself and other characters killed by shooting a guy in a crowded marketplace where you are very much not allowed to do that lmao
@kamiwriterleonardo6345 ,also, lichtors can gain the memories of a organism by eating their brains... how they got to that point is worrying, but also leads to possible new targets for gene acquisition if they find new desirable traits. I'm sort of surprised tyranids don't have new unit evolutions more often. They do already have a fairly wide range of units with adaptations, & specialized units too.
@@blownfuse26 I mean the eating brains for knowledge is also a feature of space marines. This means that its probably not the rarest or hardest adaptation to comwy to or create. Depending on when they first formed the lictor's ability could have been taken from space marines.
I've got to give this one a 10/10. Loved the combination of lore, science and philosophy with stunning images and photography. The script is also super neat. This video has surprised me in the best way possible. Truly impressed! I'll be following you guys, thanks for the amazing content!!
Actually, Krorks became Orks as a reaction to combat; Krorks were designed around the bigger, more violent, and longer the conflict became, the bigger, stronger, smarter, and tougher the Krorks would become (along with the faster the Krork spores create new Krorks), so as the War in Heaven died down. The Aeldari contained the Krork hordes in controlled areas of the galaxy. They fought amongst each other, but because none of what they did was new or encouraged growth, they began to devolve into Orks. Like with the 'War of the Beast', due to a mix of human expansion, the Age of Strife, fighting other alien empires, and the Great Crusade - enough new threats and big enough conflicts encouraged the emergence of 4 prime-Orks and 1 Krork (which hadn't experienced combat yet, due to its small size), but with that the entire Ork race boosted its intelligence, size, strength, and technology - even millions of years after this technology was lost.
@JMObyx They talking about the demi kroks that showed up during the war of the beast There is a living krork in the setting, but it's currently in a necron's museum
@@JMObyx@JMObyx This was 'The Beast of Beasts' or 'The Beast,' the massive 10-11m tall monster that was the leading force during 'The War of the Beast,' which took the sacrifice of Vulcan, Primarch of the Salamander sacrifice to defeat. Apparently, it was a Krork that hadn't yet experienced actual combat, like how Orks in camps don't start off as 8ft walls of muscle, they need time to grow and fight to reach full maturity.
@@MugiwaraZero The 'Demi-Krorks' that appeared in the War of the Beast are primarily called 'Prime Orks' - for the Krork housed within the Museum of Trazyn the Infinite is a standard Krork warrior recovered from one of the endless battles during the War in Heaven - which makes them more terrifying because if 'The Beast' was a newborn Krork, imagine a battle-hardened warrior in Trazyn's collection, remember this was a common soldier - then imagine the Warbosses and Overlords they had leading legions of these guys.
But why did they de-evolve from infighting? Wouldnt that make them create a main boss that would then die to another up and coming boss that would make them keep growing in strength - survival of the fittest?
One thing you have to remember was the Krork were made to fight in a war that makes what happens in the 41st millennium look like a playground fight, using weapons that could snuff out planets, stars, solar systems, across dimensional space and even time. After the Necrons took the big sleep, what remained of the Krork no longer had foes as powerful as those they were made to fight. Soldiers in a war between gods that only have mortals left to fight for eons just downgraded to deal with what they were left fighting. But now their old foes are returning, new foes that devour worlds have arrived... the time to improve again has returned. ERE WE GO, BOYZ!
Trazyn the infinite did have an orc as part of his collection, and an inquisitor who saw it remarked how the krork's armor was more advanced than their own. DA BOYZ IZ DA BEST!
@@Nobody-zl3kkYeah, the constant war with the Tyranids was making the orcs get bigger and stronger, while the near-endless supply of biomass from the orcs was giving the ‘nids enough to keep making bigger and bigger bugs. It was a big issue for the Imperium, since if the ‘nids won, they’d be flooded with biomass and they could wreak havoc on the sector, but if the orcs won, they’d be all juiced up and likely embark on a Waagh that could only be met by the War of the Beast
@@Nobody-zl3kkYeah, that's why the Octarius war is so dangerous. The Orks just keep getting bigger and stronger with each new wave of Tyranids, who in turn feed on the Ork biomass and develop new weaponry and fleets to kill more Orks, which then get bigger to match the challenge and keep the cycle going. No matter who wins the war, the galaxy will have to deal with either a tide of colossal Orks with weapons never seen before, or an endless army of near-perfectly optimized Tyranid lifeforms like no other. So fucking cool by the way.
@@bojackhorseman4176I believe the Nids officially won the war by the way, they ended up spamming leapers to kill all the war bosses and let them disorganize the orks
The double slit experiment is with photons, not electrons. But more important, it's not -human- observation that changes quantum states. Photons don't know that a human is looking at them. "Observation" in this context means that they're interacting with something. An electron sitting alone in a vacuum isn't really interacting, so it's "unobserved". if some light hits the electron, even if no one is around to see it, the electron is now "observed" because it interacted.
1. You can do the double slit experiment with molecules consisting of a thousand or so atoms. 2. While I am very against anthropocentric models of the universe (and your statement about measurement is in line with that), the argument over the proper interpretation of quantum mechanics is about >100 years old. If you start talking about the absolute truth of interpretations that use observers and wave function collapse, an MWI proponent will tell you that wave function collapse might not even be a real thing...
This video's very well done, but at the Psychic field part you bring up a common misconception of the Double Slit experiment. It's less "Mind over Matter" and more "Penny in a Sofa". The reason observing the experiment alters the outcome is because *observing* something requires *hitting* it. In the case of hearing, you observe the air hitting your ears. With seeing, you're observing how light was affected by the last thing it hit, on the way to your eyes. Due to its nature, you can't know where light is until it hits your eyes, so trying to see what it's doing before it gets there physically *changes* the light. It's like reaching for a penny in a sofa. Putting your hand between the cushion increases the size of the gap, causing the penny to fall further in, preventing you from getting it.
This doesn't really affect anything in the video, but there's a minor point I wanted to address: "survival of the fittest" doesn't actually mean "survival of the strongest". Physical strength, etc. aren't necessarily particularly useful traits in nature, other traits, like being able to subsist on few calories, or have lots of offspring, or live where no one else can, or run away quickly, hide well, etc. etc. are often much more useful tactics. This doesn't really affect the video necessarily (Kroot aren't exactly pursuing life as a speedy, fecund prey species like field mice or houseflies), BUT I just wanted to dispell a common misunderstanding about evolution in general.
Optimum does not necessarily mean impressive. But good luck convincing the jock stealing your lunch money that your tactic of shitting yourself vigorously in hopes the smell will deter him makes you evolutionarily superior.
Kroot are probably the most interesting part of 40k. They don't occupy a ton of the setting, but they have the highest concentration of interesting stuff going on with that they do have. They really feel like people with a different view of the world, rather than just evil aliens who act differently. Anyway, I love this video, it nails so much about what I love about Kroot. Even the bit about Kroot restraining themselves from building an empire. And I also love how you compared them with orks, looking beneath the surface similarities to examine the deeper themes in these factions.
Kroot feel like GW's best attempt at creating a well thought out, interesting and original sci-fi species. The other factions are awesome, but they're designed with the cool factor in mind or to tell a good story, whereas Kroot actually feel like they could exist
@@alexhughes2754 Yeah! That's a really cool part of them I hadn't realised before you pointed it out. Honestly, I want to meet the people or person who write Kroot lore. It almost feels like it's a passion project that they've started and kept up throughout the years.
@@jmgonzales7701 The Imperium can't really, outside of officials willing to bend the rules. It'd go against every xenophobic principle they'd stand for.
This is problably the greatest 40k lore video I ever seen. You were able to explain the 40k lore for people who know nothing about it and also making it entertaining for somebody that arledy knows all this stuff and you made Kroot sound super intresting even tho they have almost no lore when compared to major races like humans or Eldari
This has to be one of the most well put videos I have seen about the 40k universe. Is really hard to find this type of tone and introspection as we sometimes get lost in all the carnage and forget how fascinating are the building blocks of this universe.
So fun fact: in the Patient Hunter novel there is a kroot shaper character and he states that shapers are the leaders of their kindred and able to determine what genetic material is worth utilizing because they are psykers. But, much like how in this video the Kroot way of life is so heavily influenced by a humble respect for the natural world around them, they don't (or maybe can't?) use their psychic powers for offensive powers like other psykers; instead they have hyper attuned senses that can do things like taste chaos taint at a genetic level, smell thoughts and feelings, and see the souls of the people around them.
This is probably the best video on the Kroot and one of the best on the orks. You look into more than just the surface level lore, you did into the implications and surroundings that shape and influence that lore.
On kroot maybe, but he gets a massive lore point about the orks wrong so it's in no way one of the best on them. His whole "orks can't develop past a certain point" part is completely bunk and disproven by the war of the beast series to the point it flags a massive gap in his knowledge of what the video is about. It's like imagine if someone made a video on the history of the UK and said "of course, England and France never actually fought against each other" it's just so factually incorrect that it makes you doubt they really know what they're talking about, and are just really good at sounding like they are.
Great video, great to see a video about the kroot, I often played Tau in dawn of war and had almost forgotten they existed as I've not seen a hint of them anywhere else since then.
This was a surprisingly much better video than I originally expected. It got to a point where I was just into the lore I actually didn’t care/forgot about who would win against each other😂
@@Notthat897 - Brother, the plane is losing its stability! - Let's eat the gretchin's brain to see how we pilot this machine! - Who will eat it? Not me - Not me! - Not me!! - Okay, let's see... Long stick! - Long! - FOR THE EMPEROR'S SAKE... fine, i'll do it. - * nomnomnom * - Brother? Did you see how to pilot the plane now? - Okay, let me see... Oh... OH GOD EMPEROR, YOU CANNOT PILOT IT!!! * the plane immediately turns 90° towards the ground and falls down in a cartoonish manner *
About Ork knowledge: they grow larger and smarter as they fight protracted conflicts. The scale of the War in Heaven ensured that the Orks were primarch sized and capable of building weapons ostensibly more advanced than the Imperium’s current tech. War of the Beast and the Ullanor Crusade both likely were lead by remaining Krourk.
It's powerfully hinted that an Ork Empire that grows large enough will start to return them towards returning to Krork - unlocking the full power of the Old Ones' gift of Warfare to the Krorks. It's just that since Ullanor, there has not been a Waagh! big enough. Even The Beast wasn't quite as big, even though it's also hinted that it was getting close to that level, with increasing intelligence and lucidity beyond 'Oi! Krump'em betta you Gits!'.
Keep in mind, the Orks only grow larger and smarter if they fight a strong enemies AND survive. This is why both the Eldar Empire and DAOT Humanity were able to keep them in check with 0 problems. Chances are that the Old Ones created Krorks from the start and the current Orks were an unpredicrable degradation. Hell, we dont even know if it's even possible anymore for an Ork to fully return into being a Krork (Even the Beast was nowhere close)
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS they're really good at surviving tho. orks have tons of bodies that just become MORE bodies as combat goes on. it's really more to do with the length and scale of the conflict vs anything else. even a short conflict on the scale of the galaxy would squeeze-rocket them on the path of the krork.
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS They were created to fight a species that could erase Star systems out of existence with a snap of a finger. Nothing since that could even compare.
@@CrabSpu Cue in the video from Mandalore gaming : "there is some problems with the game. Sometimes on planets there is more guards mens that there is atoms in the galaxy. AND THERE STILL SOME ORKS PRESENCE ON THE PLANET. "
Not only one of the best breakdowns of this dichotomy between geneforged warirors, and evolutionary predators, you also decided to just keep flexing and include one of the best summaries of the Warp and its effects in the War on heaven. You have earned a sub my dude.
As someone that's still kinda new to 40k this was awesome. Very in depth and loved the shots of life and space and the feeling of wonder and apriciation if fosters. And the history of the old ones and the link to it all. Awesome!
If the kroot start to become more technological, they can start a genetic library, then they can improve at will. They will no longer need to cannibalize, which would then improve their relations with other nations. They can also prevent dead ends and put all their efforts into fighting the orks. A sub-branch could be getting genetics from fungi, using the ork strategy to fight back, and basically terraforming orc ecosystems. From that, a new terraforming branch can come that generates living planets.
Honestly that feels like what the Kroot would look like in a more advanced Tau empire. Kind of like the equivalent of early dark age humanity levels of tech. Super kroot that just carry around concentrated doses of DNA specificaly made for them by the Tau so they can just instantly speacialize in whatever combat scenario they are in.
That wouldn't be the case, because for the kroot hunting and eating the dead are also a part of their religion, and base on the believe system in WH40K they would advance technologically but still believe in their religion
Also the Kroot are already much more technologically advanced than they show the other races of the universe. They willingly gave up the majority of their tech because they felt it was leading them away from their traditions & way of life that made them strong, blaming this for their losses to the Orks. There is still technology on Pech that is buried beneath mountains but is never explored in the setting other than brief mentions of "strange energy readings in the mountain ranges". The Kroot choose to appear primitive to the outside world because it works in their favour, but they are far more advanced than they let on.
Then they face the initial dilemma, are they worthy to inhabit such power? Such evolution so fast. The video tells it pretty good, the kroot are evolving with a sense of carefulness, part of that we must realise is time to experience those effects on one selves, one at a time.
you're the best explainer i've ever found in the wh40k community. i can also feel your love for science here! i finally understand ork hierarchy! i love that you explain things in a clearly structured and scientifically "flavored" way
Warhammer, both fantasy and 40k, are filled with such explosively vivid imaginations that you can't but grin when learning about them. I'd love to have more of it!
Kroot is love, Kroot is life Kroot is like 1/3 of the reason I love T'au Empire so much And it's amazing that the Kroot finally have their time to shine this year as well
If you want to learn more about the setting I highly recommend Luetin09 for his lore videos. Alternatively Bruva Alfabusa's TTS series is also a great jumping off point that balances comedy with established lore and its own contained story :)
Shout out to whoever's editing. Great work. The writing and narration and whatever else anyone does is superb as well, sure, but I wanna give the editor(s) their flowers
“The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn. And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.” - Uthan the Perverse, Eldar Philosopher
Hey, undergrad biologist here! I think it should be said that, gently, I think you misconstrued the process of evolution a little, and I see these misconceptions everywhere, so I would love to try and clarify things where I can! Evolution is not a deliberate or intentional process. It is a natural phenomenon with no will, and it cannot take action. Evolution is more comparable to a natural process like the weather. It forms these hugely complicated systems and striking instances, however there is no will or reason that guide these systems. They are driven by cause and effect, action and reaction, with a huge amount of random chance thrown in. It's an impediment to understanding what natural selection and evolution are while shackled to the concept of intentionality. Random mutation will always occur. There is no "ideal lifeform". Evolution has no goals. It is generalized phenomenon of change, not the planned alchemy of some force trying to change lead into gold. All of this said, I think the Kroot are so interesting because they take the concept of horizontal gene transfer and *run* with the concept! Horizontal gene transfer happens all of the time, but in our world it only happens when viruses effect our DNA during mitosis. This occurs because the DNA of viruses are introduced into cells, so occasionally cells divide with genetic content that was not present in earlier related generations. In our case, this happened 200 million years ago when our ancient ancestor was infected by a viral cold, which conferred onto her an important gene that would permit her offspring to eventually form placentas. Without that viral infection, we would not be able to have placentas at all
There are more things in this video that clarify the subject. Most important, the Warp. This is not our Earth. Evolution (in 40k) can be directed and even controlled with enough psychic power. The Kroot are going about it slowly and carefully, as their Master Shapers test and decide which genetic traits are safe to subsume and include in their clans. But there are others in the galaxy which go about it far more rapidly, especially the followers of Nurgle and Tzeentch, the Warp Entities that have domain over disease, decay and change. The Tyranids also absorb traits from their kills, and then construct new bioforms better adapted to combat a diferent enemy. Humanity itself has adapted to diferent environments and pressures, creating psykers, navigators and blanks, alongside numerous abhuman sub-species.
Correction to your correction: horizontal gene transfer happens to every group of procariotic microorganisms there is. While eucariotic just evolved a more specific verision of it because of DNA complexity and the nucleus getting in the way.
@@callusklaus2413 Also having read again your comment, the paper you are reffering to speaks only about operons corresponding to that of the virus found in the genome. Its not the same as the gene that actually codifies for the placenta and everithing it relates to. As operons are way shorter sequences than the gene it relates to. Just imagine that a simple retrovirus would have little use for the whole genes of the placenta stuck inside for no reason. An operon is just what the cell identifies in the retrotranscripted sequence to bind promotor proteins to.
No, I do not know where you studied or how can you think evolution is non deliberate process, when it is everything except it. If evolution was random, mathematicians calculated it would 500 000 000 years just to get from single cell to multi cell organism. Hell, if you move to live in cold area, relatively short, in around 1-2 years you body will produce genes that already have small and negligible but not non present chance of a small adaptation to the cold(forgot the name of science that researches it). Richard Dawkins though of evolution as a blind clock smith picking random gears to fix a watch, when in fact, the clock smith isnt blind,he knows he needs a small piece of gear for the clock, but needs it to be perfect fit, in a nanometer perfect would be better example, making process take time(he will not pick a few meters gear for a small clock). Evolution has a GOAL, it is adaption to the situation, plain and simple. Evolution is adaptation over a long period of time, just a word. Random mutation is by product of this cycle, and even then, could you even call it random? Does randomness even exist? RNG generator are just a x/x chance generator, 0 - 1000, will always leave you with 1/1000 chance to pick the number and 999/1000 to be wrong, never can be over 1000 or under, 0, so what is random then?
Kroot and the Yuatja from the Predator series would probably be very interesting to compare. Both seem to have the same philosophy of self improvement and technological limitations.
'Viruses as patterns of wasteful destruction." Call that my favorite quote of the video. ALSO, imagining the Tyranids not as a bug hive, but more like the space virus is a new view I like. Good job dude.
It literally does not matter what you talk about, from anime, to Dune, to WarHammer, every one of your videos is a banger. Keep at it, brother. Regardless of what you decide to talk about in the future, I will watch all of it.
Everytime I see a video come out from you all I get excited because you make damn good content. The story telling and editing is incredible. Keep it up!
@Zwijger Hate that you’re right. It’s honestly terrible that people just talk with such poorly constructed grammar, from misusing “your” and “their” (and all their homophones) to just combining random words to create grammatical abominations like “alot”, then get all pushy and offended when someone DARES show that, maybe, they should use proper English.
You fundamentally misunderstand the double slit experiment. It doesn't prove that observation causes waveform collapse, it proves that we aren't capable of measuring(observing) light without interfering with it. Saying that the double slit experiment proves that observation creates reality is like saying it's impossible to measure the landspeed of an ant because every time you attempt to measure the ant's speed you slam a ruler down next to it and the critter freaks out and runs in a random direction.
@@GFXCXZwhen dealing with subatomic particles, you can’t use light waves as they are smaller than the wavelength of light, so you have to use other waves to measure them, which always results in changing either its velocity or its current position, this means you have a limited degree of accuracy within which you can predict the movement of these particles, this is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle
This was awesome, great video man I hope you make more this was great to watch. Also I noticed you didn't mention this probably because it wasn't important enough but just in case you didn't know, orks actually devolved for qroks and qroks where actually quite intelligent and really fucking scary(not 100% but I remember seeing somewhere they where custodi's/primary level in strength, since it's theorized the beast was a proto qroks.), and the reason they devolved is because qroks and orks both literally feed off of violence and needed to sustain themselves (they literally die without a fight) and everything after the war in heaven was so much lesser in comparison that the qroks devolved because they didn't have a tough enough fight. And so if there was ever a tough enough fight orks would reevolve into qroks and regain there greater old one tech and intelligence, as demonstrated by the beast. Although take all of this with a grain of salt because this all comes second hand because I have not actually had the ability to read those specific books.
Sorry if this read like a critique, I didn't mean it as one it's just that orks are my favorite faction/race and I just had to tell you about those facts in case you didn't know, Even though you probably did know and that just came off as me being an ass.
Another interesting example of a bioengineered species is Horatio from Endless Space. Hortio is a guy who clones himself and made a civilization based on himself.However, he splices together other species by stealing their DNA and incorporatering that into his genetic code. By doing this, he becomes a better spices and his clones become much better.
@@goldenrock65 And then the Kroot would eat the Horatio. And then he'd steal the Kroot-Horatio genetics. Then the Kroot would eat the new and improved- You know what you get the picture.
@LordCrate-du8zm After one cycle of exchanging genetic material there would be nothing gained by exchanging genes again without time to aquire new genetic material.
How did you managed to master video essays in a so short time ? Congratulations, continue and you will reach the top of TH-cam's essay community. Thanks for this.
Kroot are about half of an army right now, they have three infantry choices, ranged cavalry, melee cavalry and 4 different characters. They just need a centrepiece model and a way of killing tanks and they'd be playable.
@@whitewall2253 now what you want for centerpiece model for them? id love some type of giant kroot monstrosity, or a primarch style character thats high shaper or something
@@dicorockhimself There was actually a large Kroot monstrosity in older editions known as the Great Knarloc, which you can see in places like the original Dawn of War, though they weren't in this latest refresh unfortunately. Still, would be cool to have more named Kroot characters.
In that 5 minute intro you summed up the backdrop of 40k lore better than anyone I’ve heard before. Superb job!
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You structure and explain your thoughts exactly the same way I do, which is uncommon and for me, cathartic to listen to. It was a very well thought out video, thank you.
Yep. Then again it's become increasingly one-sided as of recently. The Eldar have no counter to the Necrons developing new technology to just nullify the Warp.
And here I was after that Intro and the description of the ork v kroot rivalry before the name drop thinking it'd be Tyranids and the title must be wrong lol Ok, after finishing the video I gotta say it was beautiful... Especially the ending with the summary of what the Kroot are about- hot damn, that was deep. And and beautifully said too. It plucked some emotional strings that I didn't expect to be plucked in a 40k fan video. Hats off, great video!
At 13:40 I feel he does not explain the double slit experiment well enough. When he says that elections act differently depending on whether you are observing them or not he is technically saying what is happening, and it is the simplest way to explain it; but it also can be misleading. When people hear observing they they think that it has something to do with consciousness but what observing means in this situation is hitting the electron with light. Because electrons are so small even light can change their courses.
That explanation of warp travel being "incredibly efficient" kinda oversells it I mean, you CAN arrive exactly where you want in a second. Or even arrive at your destination earlier than you engaged the drive, or you can arrive 200 years late, your ship now fused with several hundred other lost vessels from other time periods. If you're lucky, there are even survivors on your ship. This vid taught me that the Kroot are so much more interesting than I knew. They're oddly cultured in a very cool alien way. My knowledge was rudimentary
I mean, Warp travel is more dangerous depending on the technology of your race. For humans ? extremely hazardous. For orks ? Same, but considered a fun time. Eldars ? like commuting to work. Easy. For kroots ? i don't really know, i didn't even know that they could warp travel without the tau
I always figured the Tyranids were a creation by the Great Old Ones to combat the Necron Tyr however, after Biotransfurance the Tyranids basically became useless and were thus yeeted outside of the Galaxy and the Orks were their predecessors in a way. Both Tyranid and Ork work off of a very similar idea, strength through combat. The more an Ork fights the bigger and smarter it gets and the more Biomass Tyranids consume the more diverse they become. When Tyranid and Ork comes to blows it's suddenly everyone's problem because the Orks will just multiply and get bigger with every fight yet the Tyranids will feed off of the multiple Orks and sometimes even the biggest Orks which only bolsters their strength. The unmovable rock vs the unbreakable wall, two forces that endlessly adapt and become better for eternity. Honestly if you asked me which faction has the best shot at winning the Great Game, my choice would be Orks for the simple fact that, unlike other factions, Orks feed off of war and are basically impossible to exterminate. That being said, the two factions that are likely to be left are the Orks and the Tyranids; truly at that point, the Galaxy of the grim dark future will know only war.
I much prefer the Tyranids having nothing to do with anyone in the galaxy at any point before appearing. What better compliment to the hardcore grim darkness of the universe than by having this Lovecraftian space cancer come hurtling out of the dark surrounding this little galaxy that thinks itself so important. Here's everyone having these grand heavenly wars and Biblical heresies, and suddenly they're back to just being animals encountering something predatory in the night. There are corners of reality even the Chaos Gods do not venture. Places of silence and stillness, where no soul or emotion or thought of any kind exists. Places that, as any empty void does, hunger.
This has been tested many times in 40k lore, and unless the Orks had overwheleming force on their side, they lost and became biomass for the Tyranids. On the other hand, genestealers don't get traction among Orks, as they 'smell bad' and are prompty chopped up by uninfected Orks.
I've always believe that the tyranids are the last middle finger from the old ones after leaving the galaxy for a better one. A "if i can't have it, no one can" kind of move.
@@sportyeight7769 An interesting idea but, the Great Old Ones seem to be more benevolent than malevolent. From what we understand of them, they don't really strike me as the "Fuck it we ball" faction but more of a bigger picture faction. Probably as the only possible good guys of the universe who just wanted to seed life but were forced into a war by space ghosts.
@@alienstar2088 To be honest, we don't really know what made them go away. Maybe they do believe that to stop the warp and necrons, they need to restart from nothing the galaxy.
@@hooktraining3966 There's 7 gods (Gork, Mork, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, Slaanesh, and the Emperor), and none of them are poorly written because they're all treated like forces of nature.
Very much disagreed to the Tyranids, they are NOT doing wasteful destruction, in fact 'nids use ALL available biomass, none of it is wasted. Also, the Hivemind isn't an entity per se, but the combined will of all 'nids that are alive kinda similar to a multi-galaxy WAAAAGH! entity.
Nids are wasteful destruction in relation to the eco system, they don’t create, they consume and copy for their purposes. Every type of organism is like that to a degree, but it’s the degree to which it is that matters. It’s the difference between pre-migration humans being symbiotic with the environment, Paleolithic humans beginning to benefit themselves at the cost of other species, and modern humans, where we have grown to the point where the systems our society runs on are no longer reasonable or natural survival strategies and supersede the imperative to preserve our own planet. The difference between us and nids, though, is that we aren’t a hive mind and most of us have empathy and the desire to do the world right. Nids have no such thing. At least, that’s my interpretation of the symbolism and the video.
Two things. One, this video is incredible and I love how well thought out it is. And two, this only furthers my core belief that the Kroot should have their own faction divorced from the T'au, and T'au auxilliaries should be made up of all independent-thinking sentient races in the galaxy (All Human subspecies including Ogryn, Ratling, Squats, Felinids, and Beastmen, Eldar, Drukhari, Sslyth, Ur-Ghul, Medusae, etc. and yes, SOME Kroot that have their tribal nature stripped from them and turned into regimented troops and snipers), merging technologies into the T'au style, and the Kroot should be a dark reflection on that, and have stolen technology cannibalized into a vague amalgamation of stuff that works because the Kroot have absorbed it just like they did to organic life on their homeworld. It could be amazing flavor.
Sadly, even if Kroots are interesting, lore wise they wouldn't have the tech nor the numbers necessary to even survive the setting without the combined forces of the tau and tau auxiliary. Remember, races even scarier and more powerful than the kroots are wiped from the galaxy on the daily bases. This setting is BRUTAL.
Because most 40k fiction is about The Imperium and Imperials do not often fight the Tau Empire. First contact between the Imperium of Man and the Tau Empire occurred less than two hundred years before the return of Guilliman and they've only been involved in two major conflicts, the first and second Damocles Crusades. Because of this most books dont feature the Tau Empire and since the Kroot are a part of that empire they rarely get speaking roles in 40k fiction. If you're not specifically a Tau fan its not surprising that you would not know of the Kroot. The Tau Empire isnt just Kroot for example. There are like, a dozen different alien races in the Tau empire, The Tau also have a sizable human minority in their empire either from worlds they conquered during the first Damocles Crusade or human refugees fleeing the imperium into the Tau Empire.
@@whitewall2253 -"less than 200 years since the return of Guilman" THAT brings up an interested point on WHAT the timeline is.Because AFAIK there aren't any in-universe dates besides _"it's 10 000 years since megagoth decided to be a little rebellious b1tch" & I have no idea what happens AFTER the tyranids come. Also,I didn't JUST mean the lore (though there IS a lot I haven't read),but every 2 months some NEW game or animation comes out & I forget to watch it. Like,would a noral guy know that Darktide came out in the last 2 years & ISN'T an adition to the fantasy AU just by hearing the name?
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb there's a bunch of dates in warhammer lore, every army book used to come with its own timeline showing famous battles involving the faction. I still own a lot of old army books so I have that. A lot of interesting stuff happened in the 10k years after the HH. The Scouring, The war of the Beast, The Badab War, The siege of Vraks, the war of the false primarch, the Age of Apostasy, The setting is very deep.
To me, you make Warhammer sound like an imagining of the various paths humanity (and life) could take, by distilling life into fundamental aspects embodied to different degrees by different species, then extrapolating those to extremes. Fascinating, really well done.
what a fantastic essay! i was just sifting through content and only intended to get the basic idea of this essay through a few skips, but i was riveted and watched the whole thing!
We had so much fun making this video! If you liked it, we'll be more than happy to delve into more 40k lore 😁.
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I have never heard about the kroot before.Seriously.Where does all this info come from & why is it not more common?How come noone talks about the kroot if they're this important?I thought the developers released a new faction!
Btw, you forgot that Orks evolve back into Krorks when they fight enough. They grow in proportion to the fighting they do. The reason the Krorks devolved into Orks is that the Eldar refused to fight them and simply orbitally bombarded them into oblivion. In the War of the Beast, the Orks evolved into Krorks under the guidance of one Krork, they not only got incredibly advanced technology allowing teleportation and gravity manipulation but were very intelligent compared to modern Orks (they sent an ambassador to Terra when they sieged it. The ambassador was negotiating for Terra’s survivor, and called humans *barbaric* when they refused adamantly)
Please make more I'd love to see it.
Not surprised the guy who did some of the highest quality star wars and dune video essays is a Warhammer fan
Question is who isn‘t a Warhammer Fan nowadays?
@@jf5648all of my friends
@@jf5648 Me depending on whether you make the (fan)atic vs Enjoyer distinction?
@@jf5648me. I just don’t know where to start. Plus, it seems to complicated for me
@@jf5648 I do not care for the setting, but I will always show up for an alien biology video
Kroot are underappreciated in Warhammer, I have to assume it's because they hang out with the Tau and hating the Tau is a meme.
It's less that, but the fact that crisis suits sold... A LOT of boxes. Which is really just a self fulfilling prophesy of making their best and versatile unit also have a subfaction that spam them (Farsight) while the Kroot got zero support.
So GW had the choice of turning them into Battletech or Star Trek and they chose the mechs for $$$.
Tau are messy as Tau like range, Tau like guns, You are in trouble when Tau is in melee.
So a lot of the support, models, and battle tactics are to give more guns to Tau (drones, mechs, ships, guns) and the Kroot were made to act as the melee guard.
Yet unless you are playing A video game... Kroot get no support and are just a flavor dressing that some new people use, but not enough to make a Kroot force.
Dawn of War had you pick between Tau extra range or Kroot melee boost with the upper tier units unlocked by picking A path.
So in those games they can be equals... But those game that add the Tau are not that common and thus not focused on.
Which is a shame since Kroot are also supposed to be mercs that anyone can hire so being able to see them thrown in other factions would have been nice if only to give them more support.
I 100% agree, I'm happy they got a model update this year.
@@HellecticMojo It's such a shame, because I've always loved the basic Fire Warrior models, and I'd like to see more cool infantry Tau, but it's always all-in on the battlesuits.
Well everyone had good responses. Kroot get left behind because of many reasons. The tau has better and more pt expensive models, people generally don't start off as a tau players (unless they are anime obsessed) and likely become tau players for the shooting, the kroot have little support even now, and kroot don't fit the tau well at all aesthetically.
But honestly it's also because kroot can't stand alone, even with the new model releases fighting orks with only kroot would be a suicide run. They are really good at sharpening the edges of a tau army, but they are wall flowers, not exceptionally good at anything.
One thing you forgot about Orks is that they grow smarter and stronger in response to violence. This is why Krorks were not only smarter but physically stronger. Interestingly when an Ork waagh got powerful enough to start an invasion on Holy Terra. They were advanced enough to attempt diplomacy with the humans, though not smart enough to realize the futility of that.
Oh drat, happy to see someone else knows this little tidbit too! War of Beast was something else fo' sure, I say it was closest Orks could have been to Krorks
Weren't the Krorks also 50ft tall or somthing as well?
yeah, I want to point this out. orks aren't limited in intelligence, technology, or society. however without reaching the level of Krorks, they can't unlock that potential, and without the external driving threat to bring that out, they regress to the level where they are.
@@KatvanishedI mean orks are bio weapons made to remove awakened necrons. Their current strength is literally a pilot light setting.
@@GundamReviver and the opposite-if there is no technological opposition at all, they easily descend to a cave level. Self-regulating weapon.
This is genuinely better than 90% of the Warhammer videos on youtube, when others just read the wiki and repeat the same jokes, this guy understands what he is talking about
At the top of my head, I can't think of a better 40k video than this. As a Kroot player I honestly feel pretty bad that theres not one of these types of video for every faction that eloquently describes both the appeal and shortcomings of a faction that make it so awesome to engage with them in the first place. It was really eye-opening to see that Tyranids and Kroot mirror each other as a hivemind that consumes for the sake of consumption and a community that consumes and evolves for the sake of self improvement
As someone who knows very little about warhammer this was a great introduction and sold me the universe. I don’t have any interest about the games or the figurine part of it but the lore is very interesting.
@@aaawa2074Same! I never was interested in Warhammer 40k and clicked on this video thinking it was something else. But I stayed because of how well it was explained and the more I learned about this universe the more I was convinced that I can start diving deeper into this lore.
A. He fumbles the war in heaven by making it seem like the Necrontyr became the necrons before declaring war on Old Ones, when their losses against the Old Ones were one of the reasons that they were driven to align themselves with the C'Tan initially. (Besides of course the promise of immortality)
B. Orks are strong but they are dwarfed in power (and most likely number) by the nids, which can fully consume ork worlds, one of the few ways to end an ork infestation, as they consume all of the planet's biomass.
The vid is entertaining but far from perfect and flubs core concepts about 40k, including substituting the power level of nids for orks. Personally considering their use of genetic adaptation, imo nids and kroot are better rivals.
Except for the fact that he confuses photons with electrons during the Double Slit Experiment section. That's pretty bad
To quote this: "the orks were the old ones' last middle finger to the universe"
I believe that titles goes to the tyranids. Tytys are just a "screw life in the system" button
@@sportyeight7769 not for the orks tho, they probably just see them as more guys joining the fun
"OMG Kroot cannibalize their brethren!!! Crazy how degenerate those xenos truly are. Anyway, where was I, oh yes and after the great Captain died all the other space marines feasted on his brain to conserve his most valuable memories."
Damn that's crazy. Please pass me that corpse starch
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOSWant some purple milkshake too? I found in a abandoned warehouse!
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS got any fatburgers? i'm starving.
@@foller2electricboogaloo575 touch that Heresy Shake and the Inquisition will come for you!
Hope you guys still have space for liver stew.
Nature has no need for weapons. It is already cruel enough not to need them.
My favorite quote.
Catachan be like:
It grows them.
Claws, Teeth, Beaks, Talons, Tusks, Horns are all in stark disagreement with you.
@@comradecameron3726 Those weapons are natural too wdym?
@@Raage. Did you not need the quote?
It says nature doesn’t need weapons.
But there they are, ready to draw blood.
What I think is super interesting is that their rivalry may indeed date back a LONG while ago. Kroot myth speakers of their creator, the goddess Vawk, doing battle with the god Gmork in a battle across the "nothing sea", which was what they called space. It plays out like most creator myths, with Vawk's body going on to create the mountains and world of Pech. What's unique though, is that the ancestors of the Kroot are said to have come from Vawk's dying breath after she accidentally consumed some of the tainted blood of Gmork. If we extrapolate this myth, it seems to imply that in some distant past a native creature on Pech might have consumed Ork(or even Krork!) blood and, now tainted by the genetic knowledge within it, went on to give rise to the Kroot as we know them. Looking at the Kroot, this actually makes sense. Their pronounced lower jaws, seeming mastery of primitive technology intertwined with an understanding of warp travel; they even possess latent warp manipulation in the form of belief, causing their Master Shapers to manifest psyker-level abilities. The Kroot seem to have always possessed the ability to steal DNA, and indeed are the embodiment of the idea of natural evolution as you discussed. But it's interesting to consider that in meeting the Orks, the Kroot have been allowed to "cheat" and jump ahead in the evolutionary line millions of years by pulling the most pragmatic traits of the Orks from them without losing what it means to be "Kroot". I guess what I'm saying is, while the Orks may have the lead in numbers the Kroot have likely already "learned" all they can from the Orks in their distant past and have simply moved on. The rivalry is already over, the Orks are just too dumb to realize it yet.
Except that it is still not uncommon for Kroot to consume Orks. The shapers limit it somewhat because too much Ork, whilst offering a lot of physical benefits really starts taking a toll on both IQ and inhibition, but there is still a lot to be gained.
Fascinating idea. I like the thought of it. Even though current Shapers allow the occasional consumption of Orks, it doesn't mean that in the distant past the "tainted flesh" Vawk tasted wasn't Krork or Ork flesh that jump started Kroot onto the path they're now on. Cool stuff
@@darthplagueis13 Thats because the first ever kroot. Where the spawn of Krorks.
While the current Orks are so below a Krork as the genetics are dormant.
The Kroot cannot extract it. So thats why Kroots thend to not over consume Orks.
But i can guarantee you, thats only because of how current Orks are.
It sounds like the Kroot are descendents of an ancient starfaring species that once were nearly annihilated by the Krork. In the war they attempted to modify themselves in order to better combat the Krork and became able to evolve via ingestion of foes. Their survivors fled to Pech and over the eons, their culture refined themselves as their history became myth and legend. Eventually, they returned to the stars, and the Tau stumbled upon them.
Fascinating theory, you might be on to something (untill GW fun police banish you to retcon space :P)
One thing I will always be in awe of the Kroot is them going toe-to-toe against Hive Fleet Hyrda, THE hyper adaptive hive fleet, having an evolution arms race as they duke it out in the forest.
They adapted and counter adapted so hard that the end result were tyranids with perfect camouflage that got destroyed by Tau fire arms bc Hyrda had zero armour after the camouflage arms race.
that's such a troll move. make your enemy evolve certain way and then get your ally to attack the blatant weak point of that evolution.
@@rigen97I believe that's the only real strategy of defeating tyranids. To force them to adapt to two directly opposite strategies. Either they will perish in a similar way as above, or will have a middle-ground adaptation to both strategies which won't give them any advantage over them, and tyranids are only powerful when they have an overwhelming advantage over their enemies.
Woah what? It wasnt the Kroot that stood against them, it was the *entire* Tau Enpire. Not just the Kroot. And the hive fleet was defeated because it was overwhelmed by both the late arrival of Imperial reinforcements for the Damocles Crusade and the Tau themselves. The Nids couldnt adapt quick enough to fight two extremely different enemies
And also, the tyranids became invulnerable to Tau Pulse weapons at one point. They didnt stop evolving after gaining camouflage lol. The Tau were forced to downtech and somehow re equipped their armies to use whatever weapons they used before pulse technology became their primary weapons tech
@@Skarrieragree
this is honestly the most presentable 40k lore video I've ever seen. I could easily show this to my friends. there's no bragging about how powerful something is, no playing into warhammer's absurdity, and it makes the video really good! keep it up!
Nice to see a 40k video that isn't just regurgitating wiki pages ad verbatim and actually has some thought put into it
Ad verbatim? 99% of the lore vids are not a 1-to-1 read through of the wiki at all. What kind of lore vids have you been watching?
@@jocosesonata majorkill probly, all he does is add Aussie curse words lol
@@fancyelk2373
Still not ad verbatim. It's still not an exact reading of the wiki. -He doesn't just add Aussie curses, but uses colorful languages to explain shit.- _(Actually, I just watched his latest vid, and he barely curses anymore. But it's still not ad verbatim of wiki pages.)_
So again, where are these lore videos that's just regurgitating wiki pages ad verbatim?
Because I can vaguely remember only *_One_* channel, and it was so bad it's since faded to obscurity, I don't even remember their channel name.
@@jocosesonata i think you might be hyper focusing on the words "ad verbatim" dude, probably just talking about the majorkill, wesshammer style of video where they reiterate lore that can be found on pages.
@@eli8286
I'm just questioning and refuting such a baseless claim that it's a word-for-word read-through of wiki pages (which is what ad verbatim means) when it's very much not the case, that is apparently targeted at every other lore channel - not specific to Majorkill or Weshammer.
Like, yeah, of course they'll say some things you'd find on wiki pages, where do you think the wiki editors got it from in the first place? Such a weird and needless shade thrown. They're lore videos, what did he expect? They're meant to tell us the lore. Hell, Leutin09, one of the more popular and extensive lore channels, cannot be accused of reading wiki pages ad verbatim.
I just don't get where it's coming from.
The fact that Warhammer has so many cool smaller groups and factions operating across the galaxy that barely have any artwork, or stories, let alone actually getting even a single model just demonstrates how great this setting is. I love the Kroot, I wish they got more shine since they are easily some of my favorite part of the xenos of 40K
Check the T'au range. You'll see something you'll love 😉
I mean, they have recently released a whole new set of miniatures for the Kroots, so id say that they are not forgotten, at all
Just wish the other races got more love besides just the Human Empire.
Sadly, 40k has made xenophobia something "based", and as the majority of players uses any of the Imperium armies, specially Guard and Astartes, Xenos, chaos, and the real cool stuff don't have the same following.
My favorite part of Sci-fi, aside of the cool tech, will ALWAYS be the alien species, and now after wathcing works like All Tomorrows and Hunamity lost, I love some post humans as well... But again, in 40k, all xenos are only degraded by the same 5 jokes this community repeats ad nausea.
Xenos species, bot non and hostile alike, deserve a bigger representation in 40k than just things for the "heroes" of the empire to purge.
@XmortoxX1990 Yeah doesn't surprise me that there's a lot of far-right anti-semitism laced in with some of the players. That said, not all fans are that way. But it happens in any Fandom.
Kroots mentioned, Orks mentioned, Tyranids mentioned. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a top tier Warhammer video.
The plural of Kroot is Kroot
@@Vinterloft I'm not an expert on Xenolinguistics
@@kamiwriterleonardo6345 You don't need to be, Kroot is the name the Imperium gave them
Greetings my friends from beyond and within the grave. In the short time in which we inhabit this world, It would be my honor to offer you a new life with Christ. Let today be the day you begin
Also, one of the only times the Imperium were mentioned, it was mentioned how their empire is falling. A+ writing from a xenos lover.
As a biologist with a growing interest in warhammer, this video was amazing. I love the detail and complexity to the lore here, how orks are fungus, kroot are bacteria, and tyranids are viruses
The fact that Kroot keep enemy captives alive so when they are eaten, they are fresher and of higher quality. And they have giant coolers where they store the dead enemies for later consumption
I just love the duality of the Kroot.
On the battlefield they are some of the worst and most savage things you can run on the setting (they literally will eat and tear you apart alive) and they certainly look the part.
However, outside of combat they are perfectly chill, hell docile even, and are perfectly capable of hanging out and forming bonds with others, be it each other, T'au or other T'au auxiliaries.
I also like how accepting they are of others, not only the coltures of their clients but also of their evolutionary dead ends. They still treat the Krootox, Kroot Hounds etc etc like family and while different Kindred have different oppinions on how the species as a whole should change, they never really class with each other over such differences.
I think the Kroot will first kill you, usually fairly quickly and painlessly compared to the rest of the species / factions and then they MIGHT eat you if their shapers deem your DNA worthy to be absorbed.
i wonder if a kroot can look human
while yeah, they can form bonds with others, i don't know if 'perfectly chill' is exactly how i'd describe them. as an example, here's a line from the 10th ed codex
"In times of war, famine, or other event that might force them to move quickly, they will eat their old, young, and infirm, who might otherwise slow them down"
in the first blackstone fortress book, the character of dahyak grekh is portrayed as very quick to use violence even when it's not necessarily the best idea. he almost gets himself and other characters killed by shooting a guy in a crowded marketplace where you are very much not allowed to do that lmao
@@hund7458 According to 40k DoW Soulstorm, they do occasionally have a short brawl with the Vespid.
@@hund7458 Generally pretty chill. They've got some kindred who merc for chaos, but hey, who doesn't?
So, are you evolved or designed?
Tyranids: YES!
I mean... There's a reason one of their units is called "Genestealer"
@kamiwriterleonardo6345 ,also, lichtors can gain the memories of a organism by eating their brains... how they got to that point is worrying, but also leads to possible new targets for gene acquisition if they find new desirable traits. I'm sort of surprised tyranids don't have new unit evolutions more often. They do already have a fairly wide range of units with adaptations, & specialized units too.
@@blownfuse26 Oh they would have if GW was a sucker for Imperium and Space Marines.
Tyranids getting custodes dna, norns were created.
@@blownfuse26 I mean the eating brains for knowledge is also a feature of space marines. This means that its probably not the rarest or hardest adaptation to comwy to or create. Depending on when they first formed the lictor's ability could have been taken from space marines.
“Nature does not have a need weapons; it is already cruel enough without them”
What an amazing transition to the kroot.
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There is an elegance to this video's script that cannot be understated. Thanks for making this.
I've got to give this one a 10/10. Loved the combination of lore, science and philosophy with stunning images and photography. The script is also super neat. This video has surprised me in the best way possible. Truly impressed! I'll be following you guys, thanks for the amazing content!!
Actually, Krorks became Orks as a reaction to combat; Krorks were designed around the bigger, more violent, and longer the conflict became, the bigger, stronger, smarter, and tougher the Krorks would become (along with the faster the Krork spores create new Krorks), so as the War in Heaven died down. The Aeldari contained the Krork hordes in controlled areas of the galaxy. They fought amongst each other, but because none of what they did was new or encouraged growth, they began to devolve into Orks. Like with the 'War of the Beast', due to a mix of human expansion, the Age of Strife, fighting other alien empires, and the Great Crusade - enough new threats and big enough conflicts encouraged the emergence of 4 prime-Orks and 1 Krork (which hadn't experienced combat yet, due to its small size), but with that the entire Ork race boosted its intelligence, size, strength, and technology - even millions of years after this technology was lost.
Wait, a Krok reemerged? Where did this happen?
@JMObyx
They talking about the demi kroks that showed up during the war of the beast
There is a living krork in the setting, but it's currently in a necron's museum
@@JMObyx@JMObyx This was 'The Beast of Beasts' or 'The Beast,' the massive 10-11m tall monster that was the leading force during 'The War of the Beast,' which took the sacrifice of Vulcan, Primarch of the Salamander sacrifice to defeat. Apparently, it was a Krork that hadn't yet experienced actual combat, like how Orks in camps don't start off as 8ft walls of muscle, they need time to grow and fight to reach full maturity.
@@MugiwaraZero The 'Demi-Krorks' that appeared in the War of the Beast are primarily called 'Prime Orks' - for the Krork housed within the Museum of Trazyn the Infinite is a standard Krork warrior recovered from one of the endless battles during the War in Heaven - which makes them more terrifying because if 'The Beast' was a newborn Krork, imagine a battle-hardened warrior in Trazyn's collection, remember this was a common soldier - then imagine the Warbosses and Overlords they had leading legions of these guys.
But why did they de-evolve from infighting? Wouldnt that make them create a main boss that would then die to another up and coming boss that would make them keep growing in strength - survival of the fittest?
Commissar: "See!? they eat their own, they're evil!"
Space Marine: "no no... I can see their point, disgusting, but logical"
that would be more of an adaptus mechanicus thing wouldnt it?
if the commissar says fight the space marine says purge
wait no my B commissars are in charge of the guardsmen not the space marines
@@angelovanderstad2264 Well I thought it would make more sense since Space Marines can eat peoples brains to get their combat knowledge.
Whos corpses did you think corpse starch was made of?
Don't Space Wolves also eat their dead?
One thing you have to remember was the Krork were made to fight in a war that makes what happens in the 41st millennium look like a playground fight, using weapons that could snuff out planets, stars, solar systems, across dimensional space and even time. After the Necrons took the big sleep, what remained of the Krork no longer had foes as powerful as those they were made to fight. Soldiers in a war between gods that only have mortals left to fight for eons just downgraded to deal with what they were left fighting.
But now their old foes are returning, new foes that devour worlds have arrived... the time to improve again has returned.
ERE WE GO, BOYZ!
Trazyn the infinite did have an orc as part of his collection, and an inquisitor who saw it remarked how the krork's armor was more advanced than their own. DA BOYZ IZ DA BEST!
Weren't Orks in Octarius noted to be slowly and subtly growing in size as the war in the sector was continuous and ever intensifying?
@@Nobody-zl3kkYeah, the constant war with the Tyranids was making the orcs get bigger and stronger, while the near-endless supply of biomass from the orcs was giving the ‘nids enough to keep making bigger and bigger bugs.
It was a big issue for the Imperium, since if the ‘nids won, they’d be flooded with biomass and they could wreak havoc on the sector, but if the orcs won, they’d be all juiced up and likely embark on a Waagh that could only be met by the War of the Beast
@@Nobody-zl3kkYeah, that's why the Octarius war is so dangerous. The Orks just keep getting bigger and stronger with each new wave of Tyranids, who in turn feed on the Ork biomass and develop new weaponry and fleets to kill more Orks, which then get bigger to match the challenge and keep the cycle going. No matter who wins the war, the galaxy will have to deal with either a tide of colossal Orks with weapons never seen before, or an endless army of near-perfectly optimized Tyranid lifeforms like no other.
So fucking cool by the way.
@@bojackhorseman4176I believe the Nids officially won the war by the way, they ended up spamming leapers to kill all the war bosses and let them disorganize the orks
The double slit experiment is with photons, not electrons. But more important, it's not -human- observation that changes quantum states. Photons don't know that a human is looking at them. "Observation" in this context means that they're interacting with something. An electron sitting alone in a vacuum isn't really interacting, so it's "unobserved". if some light hits the electron, even if no one is around to see it, the electron is now "observed" because it interacted.
The double slit experiment works with both, it's just usually done with photons so that you can directly see what's happening
1. You can do the double slit experiment with molecules consisting of a thousand or so atoms.
2. While I am very against anthropocentric models of the universe (and your statement about measurement is in line with that), the argument over the proper interpretation of quantum mechanics is about >100 years old. If you start talking about the absolute truth of interpretations that use observers and wave function collapse, an MWI proponent will tell you that wave function collapse might not even be a real thing...
You can literally do the slit with anything subatomic, it’s just an expression of the wave like nature of the universe, electrons are also waves
@@hypothalapotamus5293wave function collapse is functionally real, the rest is semantics
This video's very well done, but at the Psychic field part you bring up a common misconception of the Double Slit experiment. It's less "Mind over Matter" and more "Penny in a Sofa".
The reason observing the experiment alters the outcome is because *observing* something requires *hitting* it. In the case of hearing, you observe the air hitting your ears. With seeing, you're observing how light was affected by the last thing it hit, on the way to your eyes. Due to its nature, you can't know where light is until it hits your eyes, so trying to see what it's doing before it gets there physically *changes* the light.
It's like reaching for a penny in a sofa. Putting your hand between the cushion increases the size of the gap, causing the penny to fall further in, preventing you from getting it.
This doesn't really affect anything in the video, but there's a minor point I wanted to address: "survival of the fittest" doesn't actually mean "survival of the strongest". Physical strength, etc. aren't necessarily particularly useful traits in nature, other traits, like being able to subsist on few calories, or have lots of offspring, or live where no one else can, or run away quickly, hide well, etc. etc. are often much more useful tactics. This doesn't really affect the video necessarily (Kroot aren't exactly pursuing life as a speedy, fecund prey species like field mice or houseflies), BUT I just wanted to dispell a common misunderstanding about evolution in general.
Optimum does not necessarily mean impressive. But good luck convincing the jock stealing your lunch money that your tactic of shitting yourself vigorously in hopes the smell will deter him makes you evolutionarily superior.
@@SnibsnBibs I think your muddling together different things here. Evolution isn't about convincing anyone about anything.
@@nakenmil It was a joke lol
@@SnibsnBibsIt’d work as a great allegory though because I’m pretty sure there’s a lizard or something that does exactly that to birds
@@af2547 Opposums do take that as their survival tactic if I am not mistaken
Kroot are probably the most interesting part of 40k. They don't occupy a ton of the setting, but they have the highest concentration of interesting stuff going on with that they do have. They really feel like people with a different view of the world, rather than just evil aliens who act differently.
Anyway, I love this video, it nails so much about what I love about Kroot. Even the bit about Kroot restraining themselves from building an empire. And I also love how you compared them with orks, looking beneath the surface similarities to examine the deeper themes in these factions.
Kroot feel like GW's best attempt at creating a well thought out, interesting and original sci-fi species. The other factions are awesome, but they're designed with the cool factor in mind or to tell a good story, whereas Kroot actually feel like they could exist
@@alexhughes2754 Yeah! That's a really cool part of them I hadn't realised before you pointed it out.
Honestly, I want to meet the people or person who write Kroot lore. It almost feels like it's a passion project that they've started and kept up throughout the years.
i wish imperium would give kroots a chance
@@jmgonzales7701 The Imperium can't really, outside of officials willing to bend the rules. It'd go against every xenophobic principle they'd stand for.
This is problably the greatest 40k lore video I ever seen. You were able to explain the 40k lore for people who know nothing about it and also making it entertaining for somebody that arledy knows all this stuff and you made Kroot sound super intresting even tho they have almost no lore when compared to major races like humans or Eldari
i wonder if kroots can look humans
This has to be one of the most well put videos I have seen about the 40k universe. Is really hard to find this type of tone and introspection as we sometimes get lost in all the carnage and forget how fascinating are the building blocks of this universe.
So fun fact: in the Patient Hunter novel there is a kroot shaper character and he states that shapers are the leaders of their kindred and able to determine what genetic material is worth utilizing because they are psykers. But, much like how in this video the Kroot way of life is so heavily influenced by a humble respect for the natural world around them, they don't (or maybe can't?) use their psychic powers for offensive powers like other psykers; instead they have hyper attuned senses that can do things like taste chaos taint at a genetic level, smell thoughts and feelings, and see the souls of the people around them.
This is probably the best video on the Kroot and one of the best on the orks. You look into more than just the surface level lore, you did into the implications and surroundings that shape and influence that lore.
On kroot maybe, but he gets a massive lore point about the orks wrong so it's in no way one of the best on them. His whole "orks can't develop past a certain point" part is completely bunk and disproven by the war of the beast series to the point it flags a massive gap in his knowledge of what the video is about. It's like imagine if someone made a video on the history of the UK and said "of course, England and France never actually fought against each other" it's just so factually incorrect that it makes you doubt they really know what they're talking about, and are just really good at sounding like they are.
Just a minor correction, the Ork's manner of speech is based on Nottingham football hooligans.
Chronologicaly, you could argue Nottingham hooligans are based on Orks
HILARIOUS.@@thevix9794
Do you say that because DnD games workshop boys were living in Nottingham ( my hometown) when they were making it all?.
@@IntEngT I remember reading it somewhere or I saw it on a video. But it makes sense because GW are based in Nottingham.
CUM ON ENGLAN SCORE SOME FOCKING GOALS WAAAAAAAAAAGH
Great video, great to see a video about the kroot, I often played Tau in dawn of war and had almost forgotten they existed as I've not seen a hint of them anywhere else since then.
This was a surprisingly much better video than I originally expected. It got to a point where I was just into the lore I actually didn’t care/forgot about who would win against each other😂
"A human should never attempt to drive an Ork vehicle."
Meanwhile Ciaphas and Jurgen hijacking the 20th Ork buggy since making planetfall.
Heh, good point. 😂
An iron warriors squad pilot an ork plane in Castellax. They play nose goes on who has to eat the gretchin pilots brain to figure out go to pilot it.
i remember a story about spacewolves stealing an ork trukk and challenging the other boyz to a race
@@Mralien401337 hah! That sounds like a fun time!
@@Notthat897
- Brother, the plane is losing its stability!
- Let's eat the gretchin's brain to see how we pilot this machine!
- Who will eat it? Not me
- Not me!
- Not me!!
- Okay, let's see... Long stick!
- Long!
- FOR THE EMPEROR'S SAKE... fine, i'll do it.
- * nomnomnom *
- Brother? Did you see how to pilot the plane now?
- Okay, let me see... Oh... OH GOD EMPEROR, YOU CANNOT PILOT IT!!!
* the plane immediately turns 90° towards the ground and falls down in a cartoonish manner *
About Ork knowledge: they grow larger and smarter as they fight protracted conflicts. The scale of the War in Heaven ensured that the Orks were primarch sized and capable of building weapons ostensibly more advanced than the Imperium’s current tech. War of the Beast and the Ullanor Crusade both likely were lead by remaining Krourk.
It's powerfully hinted that an Ork Empire that grows large enough will start to return them towards returning to Krork - unlocking the full power of the Old Ones' gift of Warfare to the Krorks.
It's just that since Ullanor, there has not been a Waagh! big enough. Even The Beast wasn't quite as big, even though it's also hinted that it was getting close to that level, with increasing intelligence and lucidity beyond 'Oi! Krump'em betta you Gits!'.
Keep in mind, the Orks only grow larger and smarter if they fight a strong enemies AND survive. This is why both the Eldar Empire and DAOT Humanity were able to keep them in check with 0 problems.
Chances are that the Old Ones created Krorks from the start and the current Orks were an unpredicrable degradation. Hell, we dont even know if it's even possible anymore for an Ork to fully return into being a Krork (Even the Beast was nowhere close)
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS they're really good at surviving tho. orks have tons of bodies that just become MORE bodies as combat goes on. it's really more to do with the length and scale of the conflict vs anything else. even a short conflict on the scale of the galaxy would squeeze-rocket them on the path of the krork.
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS They were created to fight a species that could erase Star systems out of existence with a snap of a finger. Nothing since that could even compare.
@@CrabSpu Cue in the video from Mandalore gaming : "there is some problems with the game. Sometimes on planets there is more guards mens that there is atoms in the galaxy. AND THERE STILL SOME ORKS PRESENCE ON THE PLANET. "
Not only one of the best breakdowns of this dichotomy between geneforged warirors, and evolutionary predators, you also decided to just keep flexing and include one of the best summaries of the Warp and its effects in the War on heaven. You have earned a sub my dude.
As someone that's still kinda new to 40k this was awesome. Very in depth and loved the shots of life and space and the feeling of wonder and apriciation if fosters. And the history of the old ones and the link to it all. Awesome!
this is an absolutely fantastic video, the content, the understanding of the lore, the narration, the pacing. All top notch.
If the kroot start to become more technological, they can start a genetic library, then they can improve at will. They will no longer need to cannibalize, which would then improve their relations with other nations. They can also prevent dead ends and put all their efforts into fighting the orks. A sub-branch could be getting genetics from fungi, using the ork strategy to fight back, and basically terraforming orc ecosystems. From that, a new terraforming branch can come that generates living planets.
Honestly that feels like what the Kroot would look like in a more advanced Tau empire. Kind of like the equivalent of early dark age humanity levels of tech.
Super kroot that just carry around concentrated doses of DNA specificaly made for them by the Tau so they can just instantly speacialize in whatever combat scenario they are in.
That wouldn't be the case, because for the kroot hunting and eating the dead are also a part of their religion, and base on the believe system in WH40K they would advance technologically but still believe in their religion
Also the Kroot are already much more technologically advanced than they show the other races of the universe. They willingly gave up the majority of their tech because they felt it was leading them away from their traditions & way of life that made them strong, blaming this for their losses to the Orks. There is still technology on Pech that is buried beneath mountains but is never explored in the setting other than brief mentions of "strange energy readings in the mountain ranges". The Kroot choose to appear primitive to the outside world because it works in their favour, but they are far more advanced than they let on.
that makes them mroe tyrnaid like so dobut it will happen
Then they face the initial dilemma, are they worthy to inhabit such power? Such evolution so fast. The video tells it pretty good, the kroot are evolving with a sense of carefulness, part of that we must realise is time to experience those effects on one selves, one at a time.
The real question is not Ork vs. Kroot, but Gork vs.Mork
A true conundrum. Does brutal kunnin win? Or kunnin brutality?
Choose gorka'morka for ture superiority.
@@ChucktheSpicyChicken😂 Nope
I am going to be real. I hate Gork and Mork.
The both of them.
@@comradecameron3726 OI, DIS ‘ERE GIT COMMITTIN ‘ERRSEY! Don’t make no sense dat! How ya not sposed ta like da two biggest greenies around?
Bro this is unironically one of the best warhammer 40k lore videos ive ever seen. and in a pretty unique style too!
you're the best explainer i've ever found in the wh40k community. i can also feel your love for science here! i finally understand ork hierarchy!
i love that you explain things in a clearly structured and scientifically "flavored" way
that video was made so beautiful for a warhammer lore video, respect!
Warhammer, both fantasy and 40k, are filled with such explosively vivid imaginations that you can't but grin when learning about them. I'd love to have more of it!
Kroot is love, Kroot is life
Kroot is like 1/3 of the reason I love T'au Empire so much
And it's amazing that the Kroot finally have their time to shine this year as well
what are the other two thirds?
@@cyrusmann5443 The blue cows themselves
And the rest of the auxiliary
I only like the auxiliary, but the boring blue steal the spotlight
This is the kind of video that makes me want to get into Warhammer, hope to see more and keep up the good work!
If you want to learn more about the setting I highly recommend Luetin09 for his lore videos. Alternatively Bruva Alfabusa's TTS series is also a great jumping off point that balances comedy with established lore and its own contained story :)
Shout out to whoever's editing. Great work. The writing and narration and whatever else anyone does is superb as well, sure, but I wanna give the editor(s) their flowers
“The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn. And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.”
- Uthan the Perverse, Eldar Philosopher
Hey, undergrad biologist here!
I think it should be said that, gently, I think you misconstrued the process of evolution a little, and I see these misconceptions everywhere, so I would love to try and clarify things where I can!
Evolution is not a deliberate or intentional process. It is a natural phenomenon with no will, and it cannot take action. Evolution is more comparable to a natural process like the weather. It forms these hugely complicated systems and striking instances, however there is no will or reason that guide these systems. They are driven by cause and effect, action and reaction, with a huge amount of random chance thrown in. It's an impediment to understanding what natural selection and evolution are while shackled to the concept of intentionality. Random mutation will always occur. There is no "ideal lifeform". Evolution has no goals. It is generalized phenomenon of change, not the planned alchemy of some force trying to change lead into gold.
All of this said, I think the Kroot are so interesting because they take the concept of horizontal gene transfer and *run* with the concept! Horizontal gene transfer happens all of the time, but in our world it only happens when viruses effect our DNA during mitosis. This occurs because the DNA of viruses are introduced into cells, so occasionally cells divide with genetic content that was not present in earlier related generations.
In our case, this happened 200 million years ago when our ancient ancestor was infected by a viral cold, which conferred onto her an important gene that would permit her offspring to eventually form placentas. Without that viral infection, we would not be able to have placentas at all
There are more things in this video that clarify the subject. Most important, the Warp. This is not our Earth. Evolution (in 40k) can be directed and even controlled with enough psychic power. The Kroot are going about it slowly and carefully, as their Master Shapers test and decide which genetic traits are safe to subsume and include in their clans. But there are others in the galaxy which go about it far more rapidly, especially the followers of Nurgle and Tzeentch, the Warp Entities that have domain over disease, decay and change. The Tyranids also absorb traits from their kills, and then construct new bioforms better adapted to combat a diferent enemy. Humanity itself has adapted to diferent environments and pressures, creating psykers, navigators and blanks, alongside numerous abhuman sub-species.
Correction to your correction: horizontal gene transfer happens to every group of procariotic microorganisms there is. While eucariotic just evolved a more specific verision of it because of DNA complexity and the nucleus getting in the way.
@@coldmossonarock7743 Thanks for the elaboration and clarification!
@@callusklaus2413 Also having read again your comment, the paper you are reffering to speaks only about operons corresponding to that of the virus found in the genome. Its not the same as the gene that actually codifies for the placenta and everithing it relates to. As operons are way shorter sequences than the gene it relates to. Just imagine that a simple retrovirus would have little use for the whole genes of the placenta stuck inside for no reason. An operon is just what the cell identifies in the retrotranscripted sequence to bind promotor proteins to.
No, I do not know where you studied or how can you think evolution is non deliberate process, when it is everything except it. If evolution was random, mathematicians calculated it would 500 000 000 years just to get from single cell to multi cell organism. Hell, if you move to live in cold area, relatively short, in around 1-2 years you body will produce genes that already have small and negligible but not non present chance of a small adaptation to the cold(forgot the name of science that researches it). Richard Dawkins though of evolution as a blind clock smith picking random gears to fix a watch, when in fact, the clock smith isnt blind,he knows he needs a small piece of gear for the clock, but needs it to be perfect fit, in a nanometer perfect would be better example, making process take time(he will not pick a few meters gear for a small clock). Evolution has a GOAL, it is adaption to the situation, plain and simple. Evolution is adaptation over a long period of time, just a word. Random mutation is by product of this cycle, and even then, could you even call it random? Does randomness even exist? RNG generator are just a x/x chance generator, 0 - 1000, will always leave you with 1/1000 chance to pick the number and 999/1000 to be wrong, never can be over 1000 or under, 0, so what is random then?
Kroot and the Yuatja from the Predator series would probably be very interesting to compare. Both seem to have the same philosophy of self improvement and technological limitations.
what technological limitation? yautja have more advanced tech than humans
@@jmgonzales7701So do Kroot, but they hold back when it comes to hunting, they have power armor but just choose not to use it
'ERE WE GO BOYZ
GE' OFF MAH SHIP SPACE MARINE
@@clintelkins9630 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
imagine like 500 orks believe that your balls will detonate in five seconds and it happens💀💀💀
I was never much interested in Orks and Kroots. I now wish to study their ways.
'Viruses as patterns of wasteful destruction."
Call that my favorite quote of the video. ALSO, imagining the Tyranids not as a bug hive, but more like the space virus is a new view I like. Good job dude.
the opening monologue was sick, but the transition at 1:15 is what convinced me of this channel’s quality. hella subscribed
It literally does not matter what you talk about, from anime, to Dune, to WarHammer, every one of your videos is a banger.
Keep at it, brother. Regardless of what you decide to talk about in the future, I will watch all of it.
But this is Warhammer 40K and not Warhammer. That would be GWs original fantasy setting.
@@RealCodreX Oh, I was generalizing for the sake of expediency. Didn't realize there was a difference.
I have no idea or great interest about any 40K lore but your video was so good, that I subscribed to your channel nevertheless
Pidegeons: "Nest building?... What is that?"
Humans: "Don't worry about it... You don't need to know that!"
Pidegeon loool
Doesn't make Warhammer content
Makes Warhammer content
It is the best Warhammer video I've ever seen
What did he mean by this...
That is NOT Warhammer content at all!
This is Warhammer 40K content.
Learn the differences!
@@RealCodreXhave a day off
@@RealCodreX Good work Soldier! You get Corpse Starch.
Everytime I see a video come out from you all I get excited because you make damn good content. The story telling and editing is incredible. Keep it up!
You're first 5 minutes is a better summary than 95% of lore videos
Your use of "you're" is worse than... sadly only like 75% of people on the internet.
@Zwijger Hate that you’re right. It’s honestly terrible that people just talk with such poorly constructed grammar, from misusing “your” and “their” (and all their homophones) to just combining random words to create grammatical abominations like “alot”, then get all pushy and offended when someone DARES show that, maybe, they should use proper English.
@@LordCrate-du8zm You also have to keep in mind that not all of us speak English and we must manage as best we can.
@@nehuenlucci9353 Not all of us speak English, true, but native speakers should not be making such basic mistakes.
@@LordCrate-du8zmyou're right
This was such a good watch,
The way you narrate and design your storytelling is something else man. Had me hooked on every word.
A nuanced, carefully paced documentary is a breath of fresh air. Thank you!
You fundamentally misunderstand the double slit experiment. It doesn't prove that observation causes waveform collapse, it proves that we aren't capable of measuring(observing) light without interfering with it. Saying that the double slit experiment proves that observation creates reality is like saying it's impossible to measure the landspeed of an ant because every time you attempt to measure the ant's speed you slam a ruler down next to it and the critter freaks out and runs in a random direction.
Exactly this
It only collapsed after the measurement because in measuring the electron we interact with it physically
How about the quantum eraser experiment?
@@sheepketchup9059 how was it measured?
@@GFXCXZwhen dealing with subatomic particles, you can’t use light waves as they are smaller than the wavelength of light, so you have to use other waves to measure them, which always results in changing either its velocity or its current position, this means you have a limited degree of accuracy within which you can predict the movement of these particles, this is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle
Nah you wrong
You guys are just full of gems huh
Well put together. You gained a fan with this.
Man this was awesome, hope you end up doing more warhammer content!
one of the best videos I've seen in a long time. unironically this video got me into 40k lore lol
Man I was locked in from start to finish and was fascinated the whole damn time.
This was awesome, great video man I hope you make more this was great to watch.
Also I noticed you didn't mention this probably because it wasn't important enough but just in case you didn't know, orks actually devolved for qroks and qroks where actually quite intelligent and really fucking scary(not 100% but I remember seeing somewhere they where custodi's/primary level in strength, since it's theorized the beast was a proto qroks.), and the reason they devolved is because qroks and orks both literally feed off of violence and needed to sustain themselves (they literally die without a fight) and everything after the war in heaven was so much lesser in comparison that the qroks devolved because they didn't have a tough enough fight. And so if there was ever a tough enough fight orks would reevolve into qroks and regain there greater old one tech and intelligence, as demonstrated by the beast.
Although take all of this with a grain of salt because this all comes second hand because I have not actually had the ability to read those specific books.
Sorry if this read like a critique, I didn't mean it as one it's just that orks are my favorite faction/race and I just had to tell you about those facts in case you didn't know, Even though you probably did know and that just came off as me being an ass.
Another interesting example of a bioengineered species is Horatio from Endless Space. Hortio is a guy who clones himself and made a civilization based on himself.However, he splices together other species by stealing their DNA and incorporatering that into his genetic code. By doing this, he becomes a better spices and his clones become much better.
Horatio: “You’re just a cheap fucking knockoff.”
Kroot: “Oh no, no, no, I’m the upgrade.”
@LordCrate-du8zm Horatio would also be like, "You're just a cheap knockoff, I'm taking your genetics."
@@goldenrock65 And then the Kroot would eat the Horatio. And then he'd steal the Kroot-Horatio genetics. Then the Kroot would eat the new and improved-
You know what you get the picture.
@LordCrate-du8zm After one cycle of exchanging genetic material there would be nothing gained by exchanging genes again without time to aquire new genetic material.
@@slacker2016 They'd probably continue to take new genes in different combinations
This is a gorgous, fantastic, well-constructed and introspective explainer. Very, very well made, and thoroughly enjoyable to watch. Thank you!
This is amazing content! So well done, thank you many times 🙏
Not enough folks talking about the fascinating Kroot.
How did you managed to master video essays in a so short time ? Congratulations, continue and you will reach the top of TH-cam's essay community. Thanks for this.
I think I’d probably sell one of my armies to afford a Kroot army if they’re ever announced. Favorite Xenos race across all 40K and even most media
You can do an all kroot list if you want
Kroot are about half of an army right now, they have three infantry choices, ranged cavalry, melee cavalry and 4 different characters.
They just need a centrepiece model and a way of killing tanks and they'd be playable.
@@whitewall2253 now what you want for centerpiece model for them? id love some type of giant kroot monstrosity, or a primarch style character thats high shaper or something
@@dicorockhimself There was actually a large Kroot monstrosity in older editions known as the Great Knarloc, which you can see in places like the original Dawn of War, though they weren't in this latest refresh unfortunately. Still, would be cool to have more named Kroot characters.
Boy have I got news for you
"an ever changing painting, shifting alo gaide the canvas it is applied to"
That line was so raw, poetic and beautiful for no reason. Chills
In that 5 minute intro you summed up the backdrop of 40k lore better than anyone I’ve heard before. Superb job!
You structure and explain your thoughts exactly the same way I do, which is uncommon and for me, cathartic to listen to. It was a very well thought out video, thank you.
The Eldar v Necron rivalry is so under utilized
Yep. Then again it's become increasingly one-sided as of recently. The Eldar have no counter to the Necrons developing new technology to just nullify the Warp.
And here I was after that Intro and the description of the ork v kroot rivalry before the name drop thinking it'd be Tyranids and the title must be wrong lol
Ok, after finishing the video I gotta say it was beautiful... Especially the ending with the summary of what the Kroot are about- hot damn, that was deep. And and beautifully said too. It plucked some emotional strings that I didn't expect to be plucked in a 40k fan video. Hats off, great video!
Truly awe inspiring! What a deep dive!
I really really enjoyed this video. Props for the amazing editing and astonishing storytelling, masterpiece!
This is one of the best put together and in-depth 40k videos I’ve ever seen.
At 13:40 I feel he does not explain the double slit experiment well enough. When he says that elections act differently depending on whether you are observing them or not he is technically saying what is happening, and it is the simplest way to explain it; but it also can be misleading. When people hear observing they they think that it has something to do with consciousness but what observing means in this situation is hitting the electron with light. Because electrons are so small even light can change their courses.
Seeing a kriegsmen dismantle an orc with a chainsaord was worthy of a spinn of mini siries
That explanation of warp travel being "incredibly efficient" kinda oversells it
I mean, you CAN arrive exactly where you want in a second. Or even arrive at your destination earlier than you engaged the drive, or you can arrive 200 years late, your ship now fused with several hundred other lost vessels from other time periods. If you're lucky, there are even survivors on your ship.
This vid taught me that the Kroot are so much more interesting than I knew. They're oddly cultured in a very cool alien way. My knowledge was rudimentary
I mean, Warp travel is more dangerous depending on the technology of your race. For humans ? extremely hazardous. For orks ? Same, but considered a fun time. Eldars ? like commuting to work. Easy. For kroots ? i don't really know, i didn't even know that they could warp travel without the tau
Even arriving 200 yrs later is vastly more efficient than lightspeed-like travel
I really like how you brought this information! I learned a lot more than I thought I already knew, and it made me more interested in the kroot
This Is The First Warhammer Lore Video I Ever Watched, I Can't Believe I Didn't Get Into It Sooner!
WARHAMMER LET'S GOOOOO
I always figured the Tyranids were a creation by the Great Old Ones to combat the Necron Tyr however, after Biotransfurance the Tyranids basically became useless and were thus yeeted outside of the Galaxy and the Orks were their predecessors in a way. Both Tyranid and Ork work off of a very similar idea, strength through combat. The more an Ork fights the bigger and smarter it gets and the more Biomass Tyranids consume the more diverse they become.
When Tyranid and Ork comes to blows it's suddenly everyone's problem because the Orks will just multiply and get bigger with every fight yet the Tyranids will feed off of the multiple Orks and sometimes even the biggest Orks which only bolsters their strength. The unmovable rock vs the unbreakable wall, two forces that endlessly adapt and become better for eternity.
Honestly if you asked me which faction has the best shot at winning the Great Game, my choice would be Orks for the simple fact that, unlike other factions, Orks feed off of war and are basically impossible to exterminate. That being said, the two factions that are likely to be left are the Orks and the Tyranids; truly at that point, the Galaxy of the grim dark future will know only war.
I much prefer the Tyranids having nothing to do with anyone in the galaxy at any point before appearing. What better compliment to the hardcore grim darkness of the universe than by having this Lovecraftian space cancer come hurtling out of the dark surrounding this little galaxy that thinks itself so important. Here's everyone having these grand heavenly wars and Biblical heresies, and suddenly they're back to just being animals encountering something predatory in the night.
There are corners of reality even the Chaos Gods do not venture. Places of silence and stillness, where no soul or emotion or thought of any kind exists.
Places that, as any empty void does, hunger.
This has been tested many times in 40k lore, and unless the Orks had overwheleming force on their side, they lost and became biomass for the Tyranids. On the other hand, genestealers don't get traction among Orks, as they 'smell bad' and are prompty chopped up by uninfected Orks.
I've always believe that the tyranids are the last middle finger from the old ones after leaving the galaxy for a better one. A "if i can't have it, no one can" kind of move.
@@sportyeight7769 An interesting idea but, the Great Old Ones seem to be more benevolent than malevolent. From what we understand of them, they don't really strike me as the "Fuck it we ball" faction but more of a bigger picture faction. Probably as the only possible good guys of the universe who just wanted to seed life but were forced into a war by space ghosts.
@@alienstar2088 To be honest, we don't really know what made them go away. Maybe they do believe that to stop the warp and necrons, they need to restart from nothing the galaxy.
The warp was once full of beings… and the Doomslayer was once stuck in hell.
Nah, Malum Caedo and Kaldor Draigo got stuck in the Warp.
Doomguy would fit right in to the Warhammer universe. It is rife with poorly written unkillable god characters.
@@hooktraining3966 There's 7 gods (Gork, Mork, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, Slaanesh, and the Emperor), and none of them are poorly written because they're all treated like forces of nature.
@@LordCrate-du8zm Sadly they are also consuming a lot of warp dust (cocain?)
This was very well done. Very fun to watch, thank you for making it!
I just want to say, this is one of the best things I've watched on YT in a long time. Thanks for putting this together for us.
Very much disagreed to the Tyranids, they are NOT doing wasteful destruction, in fact 'nids use ALL available biomass, none of it is wasted. Also, the Hivemind isn't an entity per se, but the combined will of all 'nids that are alive kinda similar to a multi-galaxy WAAAAGH! entity.
Nids are wasteful destruction in relation to the eco system, they don’t create, they consume and copy for their purposes. Every type of organism is like that to a degree, but it’s the degree to which it is that matters. It’s the difference between pre-migration humans being symbiotic with the environment, Paleolithic humans beginning to benefit themselves at the cost of other species, and modern humans, where we have grown to the point where the systems our society runs on are no longer reasonable or natural survival strategies and supersede the imperative to preserve our own planet.
The difference between us and nids, though, is that we aren’t a hive mind and most of us have empathy and the desire to do the world right. Nids have no such thing. At least, that’s my interpretation of the symbolism and the video.
You miss the point. They destroy ecosystems, with all the species involved in it. It is end of the line for them. Kroot tries top keep them alive.
It's wasteful because it eats everything.
@@LordCrate-du8zm but none of it goes to waste, all biomass becomes new tyranids.
@@114418514 I mean, how many of those ‘Nids serve one purpose and die?
Two things. One, this video is incredible and I love how well thought out it is. And two, this only furthers my core belief that the Kroot should have their own faction divorced from the T'au, and T'au auxilliaries should be made up of all independent-thinking sentient races in the galaxy (All Human subspecies including Ogryn, Ratling, Squats, Felinids, and Beastmen, Eldar, Drukhari, Sslyth, Ur-Ghul, Medusae, etc. and yes, SOME Kroot that have their tribal nature stripped from them and turned into regimented troops and snipers), merging technologies into the T'au style, and the Kroot should be a dark reflection on that, and have stolen technology cannibalized into a vague amalgamation of stuff that works because the Kroot have absorbed it just like they did to organic life on their homeworld. It could be amazing flavor.
Sadly, even if Kroots are interesting, lore wise they wouldn't have the tech nor the numbers necessary to even survive the setting without the combined forces of the tau and tau auxiliary. Remember, races even scarier and more powerful than the kroots are wiped from the galaxy on the daily bases. This setting is BRUTAL.
How the hell is there always something new with Warhammer?How haven't I heard about the kroot before?
Because most 40k fiction is about The Imperium and Imperials do not often fight the Tau Empire.
First contact between the Imperium of Man and the Tau Empire occurred less than two hundred years before the return of Guilliman and they've only been involved in two major conflicts, the first and second Damocles Crusades.
Because of this most books dont feature the Tau Empire and since the Kroot are a part of that empire they rarely get speaking roles in 40k fiction.
If you're not specifically a Tau fan its not surprising that you would not know of the Kroot. The Tau Empire isnt just Kroot for example.
There are like, a dozen different alien races in the Tau empire, The Tau also have a sizable human minority in their empire either from worlds they conquered during the first Damocles Crusade or human refugees fleeing the imperium into the Tau Empire.
@@whitewall2253 -"less than 200 years since the return of Guilman" THAT brings up an interested point on WHAT the timeline is.Because AFAIK there aren't any in-universe dates besides _"it's 10 000 years since megagoth decided to be a little rebellious b1tch" & I have no idea what happens AFTER the tyranids come.
Also,I didn't JUST mean the lore (though there IS a lot I haven't read),but every 2 months some NEW game or animation comes out & I forget to watch it.
Like,would a noral guy know that Darktide came out in the last 2 years & ISN'T an adition to the fantasy AU just by hearing the name?
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb there's a bunch of dates in warhammer lore, every army book used to come with its own timeline showing famous battles involving the faction. I still own a lot of old army books so I have that.
A lot of interesting stuff happened in the 10k years after the HH. The Scouring, The war of the Beast, The Badab War, The siege of Vraks, the war of the false primarch, the Age of Apostasy, The setting is very deep.
@@whitewall2253 I'll try to rad about them when I have the time.
To me, you make Warhammer sound like an imagining of the various paths humanity (and life) could take, by distilling life into fundamental aspects embodied to different degrees by different species, then extrapolating those to extremes. Fascinating, really well done.
what a fantastic essay! i was just sifting through content and only intended to get the basic idea of this essay through a few skips, but i was riveted and watched the whole thing!