In RE to some of the shooting positions. I assure you, they're quite safe. I'm shooting from a elevated position down into a "cup" like area. The visual of the cars in the backdrop is mostly a by product of a wide FoV camera and a high angle. That being said, I still take fault here. Is it safe: I think so Could it be a lot safer: yes. I'll do better.
"MEEAT!" Who is this, Kowalski from The Ren and Stimpy episode where they adopt the death row inmate? What kind of bread do you want on your sandwich? "MEAT!" Okay, meat-on-meat sandwich... What do you want to drink? "MEAT!" They then proceed to blend up meat and Kowalski drinks down the sludge.
I get the downsides you mentioned. But for reals, the neck relief from a Unity riser is such a plus for me. Absolute cowitness sights murder my neck. I’m a small guy but the way I hold my rifle I can still get a cheek weld with the riser and it feels stable. Also it makes me look cool, which is +20 horsepower
I couldn’t agree more the only benefit to any of these risers is either for situational awareness for a CQB environment or shooting under Nods. My team followed the tactical hype for awhile. We realized after 6k or so rounds that these blow ass on any other weapon system other then one specifically utilized for one of those scenarios. We still employ them on our CQB systems but shit canned them on ever other weapon to maintain shooting principles such as cheek weld and recoil mitigation.
@@Ferrum_Armory_llc I'm a time traveller? Naw, I donate through Subscribstar and one of the benefits of that is seeing video's early. I highly recommend it!
I can only speak for myself, but as a glasses wearer, when shooting without a riser (Absolute or lower 1/3, doesn't matter.) I end up looking over my glasses and then I can't see for shit. Riser always for me.
It’s true . Without my glasses even with an eo tech the dot is pretty shitty. I’m essentially using the circle and sending it . With glasses it’s almost perfect .
Your comments about stability especially with a magnifier is exactly why I went with a 1.93" instead for my setup. I still have my cheek on the stock with that height for that extra bit of stability, unlike the Unity 2.26" height where I'm definitely going off of a chinweld and prone shooting wasn't pleasant for me. Of course like you said, I know folks that can still get a solid cheekweld even with a 2.26" so that's just down to body/head structure and genetics for personal preference/comfort. "It depends."
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ cheek risers on ARs aren't that great because of the charging handle location. Yeah you can get those small ones but the position of those aren't great. You can run your stock out but then its not great for eye relief and different positions. It's all pros and cons and its not a perfect solution. Cheek risers work great on AKs though.
Something interesting the guys at Orion Training Group mentioned with their Keenu Risers, a similar concept to the Unity but longer, is that they put a Wilcox FTS mount for a thermal system on the front, giving them both thermal and NV passive aiming solutions. And if they really desire to, they can run the 3x FTC Magnifier on the back. A lot of optics capability, but you can strip it down to just the EOTech.
@@RobotPanda15 It's seriously the perfect do everything night capable near peer/ peer-to-peer 5.56 carbine (assuming you have the supporting personal equipment as well white phosphorus dual tubes, proper bino mounts that play well with thermals, etc)... Although I'd take mine with a 14.5-16" barrel, QD suppressor, and one of the newer 5x/6x magnifiers instead of the classic 3x... Although I'm not sure how those play with the flip to center mounts 🤔 I think that's the only limitation to most builds similar to theirs, usually based on 10.5's with suppressors that stay on all the time... I like the idea of being able to push out my observation/ballistic power distance a little farther, but with the same night capabilities 👍 Now I just have to choose which Toyota 4x4 I love the least and sell it if I actually wanna make that a reality 😐 😄
A guy did something similar with a noveske 6mm arc 12.5" with leupold mk5 2-10, offset dot, thermal and all Just lower optic height (I think standard 1.5") Is definitely a lot of capability I personally have found the lower optics fit me better Am tall but slim face and I like a nice, tight cheek weld I know it's a balancing act with situational awareness but I prefer to shoot as well as I can, close or far, the standards and principles are the same tbh And at least according to many instructors too many students are falling for the hype and not able to perform with the taller mounts (even ignoring the issues with trajectory and all) And I think some people get too hyped on the idea of passive aiming or wearing a pro mask I get it but prefer to favor most likely situations and to acknowledge the least likely stuff will just be more uncomfortable or require something else (Piggyback dot for pro mask as an example)
I realize it might not be for everyone but I love the unity fast mount. I wasn't sure about it until I actually used one and then I fell in love with it. The neck position is ultra comfortable for me and I do most of my shooting within 50 yards and no further than 200 so a magnifier isn't a major consideration. Your mileage may vary.
What barrel length do you run? If I'm running a 13.9" but shoot out to 100 most or the time and to 300 occasionally, an RDS can do all of that with my 2,870 velocity right?
@@ImperiumLibertas Yeah they definitely can be. I'm a big fan of magnifiers. At the same time though context matters. If I'm in my house I don't need a magnifier to see that the armed stranger in my kitchen is a threat. If I'm in the woods trying to see whether the guys on the next ridge are a threat then it's indispensable. The first situation is a lot more likely for me than the second one though.
2.26 helps me with situational awareness inside structures, and for patrol situations, the dot comes to my eye faster. PLus add in the if-needed use for NV it is a Very practical product.
The Unity is wonderful in its application. I have had one on my 10.5 for a while and love it, although it took some getting used to. I personally hate FTS mounts, but feel most rifles need magnification, if for no reason other than PID. It allows me to have some extra capability on a gun that was built for working mostly indoors. You did an amazing job on this video. It does its job very well, but there is no perfect for everything. Everything has pros and cons. Understand them and build accordingly.
As someone who is new and getting into ARs, can somebody explain this joke? cause my 12.5 ARP is zero'd for 50/200 and I'm thinking about getting the unity riser for my RD lol.
Finally nice to hear an unbiased take on the whole high mount scene. When all you hear is marketing and former “operators” who spend all their time trying to sell these products, it gets hard to really hear an unbiased take on the whole concept. Thanks for putting out this info.
Former SOF dude spokesperson, “Everyone needs to buy this. This is the best thing ever.” Potential civilian customer, “I am skeptical.” SOF salesman, “YOU’RE NOT AN OPERATOR. THIS IS FOR GUYS WHO OPERATE.” Civilian, “Oh, I guess I don’t need it then, since I’m not an operator.” Salesman, “… Fuck.”
This explains the bullet holes in the back of my semi truck. Luckily I was only carrying orphans from one orphanage to the other, and only the lowest value ones got hit. Damage was easy to fix and cargo was covered by insurance.
I have a 2.25 fast riser for my eotech and will never go back to anything else. Being able to shoulder your weapon and be perfectly in line with your eye sight and stay broad is the way to go. Having the ability to see out of your peripheral vision at all times is great as well. Makes targets transitions so much quicker.
You can stay broad and have great peripheral with co witness too. maybe my body type is different but I have both set ups and i dont see a difference in peripheral.
@@eugenechurch6135 been wantin to just havent had a place to get out...most the shooting I've done with it has been in 100 yards with varying types of range.... up hill down hill all kinds like that, as far as that goes. It's just fine, just know within say 7 yards your just gonna have to get used to knowin to hold high. Not an issue at all. It becomes instinctive overtime, if you wanna make headshots within a dwelling or 10 yards, just put the reticle at the hairline or top of the head. Has always got me where I want to be and like I said its natural now.. personally I dont think I'll ever go back to any shorter optic hieght.
Please do an episode on ammo. You can discuss the differences between zero ammo vs practice ammo, as well as “Game Day Ammo”. There’s a lot that goes into this because, obviously your zero is different from what you normally shoot everyday. You could discuss the relationship there as well as why you prefer a specific loading for a shtf scenario. But then there’s the nuance of why you zero your gun for one thing and shoot another. I also want to know what you are shooting. I like 55gr m193 clone bullshit cuz it’s everywhere and cheap and repeatable. But I’d like to see what you’re shooting and hear your reasoning why.
I picked up a 1.93 and 2.26 mount, and decided on the 1.93. I always felt like I had a neck like Littlefoot but the Unity felt just a tad too much to me. The 1.93 didn't seem significantly more than the lower 1/3 mount, but just enough to be more comfy, and not be too outrageous in the prone. Bonus points is that with the spacers for my mount on a magnifier it still works with the 1.93 mount and I don't have to make the investment in another mount for it as well.
I have also adapted the style that keeping your head upright on your rifle during a fight is very useful. I don't need to struggle to arch my back when getting into a shooting stance
I thought the 2.26 riser was stupidly high, so I went with the 1.93 riser Then I tried the 2.26 riser and fell in love, it just felt so much better for everything other than shooting prone
Bought mine for passive aiming and I really want all my optics at the same height now, or at least between 1.93-2.26. It’s extremely comfortable to shoot and I have no issues with it prone.
I honestly like the risers. I’ve got one on my NV setup and of course with NV it helps having the kore heads up chin rather than cheek weld and I’ve found I like it even when I’m not using NV. Only downside is it kinda kills backup irons. The other Unity risers let you still use them but not the Eotech riser. Not big on offset irons so still trying to think of a backup aiming system. Edit: this is where the Eotech reticle comes in handy for CQB or any other holds needed. Rather than guessing where to hold your dot above you can use the bottom of the donut of death
Might already know by now but scalarworks makes taller flip up sights Might be worth a look They might be specific to 1.93" height if so apologies Otherwise Yhm has short risers that can lift your irons up Not ideal but they work
@@FXIIBeaver I mean most people have them hell gang banger got them if don’t got them sell a couple of guns because they are a must that why US special forces used to be gods on the battlefield
I can aim just fine under my pvs14 with an EXPS3. Honestly, a cheap UTG 1/2 inch riser raises the EXPS just enough to make it perfect. Its only $12 and J like the height better than the taller Unity options 🤷♂️
Good one as always! I love the unity on my... Oddly identical NV setup but then I go low on the long range setup for exactly the reason you mentioned. -Walsh
I like my 1.93" and see it as a much better compromise. I don't plan to go any higher than that. It still provides enough stability and situational awareness. It makes a HUGE difference when shooting with over the ear hearing protection and I want to eventually get NVGs, so both of those are nice benefits.
I put a holosun 512 on a unity riser. Its one of my favorite optic setups on an ar15. The 512 is at an absolute cowitness height so the riser puts it at just over 2". Magnifiers are great but I only run them on absolute or lower 1/3 because of height compatibility. It makes sense they would be more difficult to use on a high mount with the eyebox and cheek/chinweld. Good video
ive been using the unity setup for an eotech exps3 and a g33 setup for awhile and I love it. with lower 1/3 i have to really choke down onto the gun and it gets hard to naturally aim with especially in armor. since I switched I've had no issues settling into a proper stance and sight picture whatsoever. i have a really long neck compared to some so that might be why.
I like the unity riser with an XPS 3-0 so it's a closer to the scalarworks 1.93 height, running that with a vortex micro with the 1.93 spacer on my CQB and it's more comfortable than 2.2 personally and clears a peq-15 just fine. Great video again!
What about just an a2 carry handle with one of those blitzkreig trianglular front sights? I tried that setup compared to a red dot type 1x optic and its pretty comparable, simple, reliable, no batteries, and cheap.
I use a PRS lite on mine with the flip to center so I have a good cheek riser that allows me to keep it under recoil while being able to use it on both sides. I like it for unconventional positions for less of a signature. All you points are valid great vid. 👍
I thought it was a silly idea...then i gave in and tried it....and love it. Now every gun has some type of high rise rds. lpvo with rds on top, acog with rds on top front, high rise rds on short guns with qd mag.. Love em
Currently train with a midwest SWAT Team. I use 2.26 for several reasons, neck surgery primarily. My "work" carbine is pretty strictly a fast cqb setup. Not even a real shorty neither, a 14.5 with a SF 4 prong. ETA: Just my .02 fwiw
My only issue with the unity riser is that I loved it so much that I had to buy the fast mount for my aim point too. So I ended up spending more than double what I wanted after also getting the QD lever.
From my understanding of taller mounts it’s not only for helping your posture while shooting but it also leaves your head more upright so you can see more with your peripheral vision since you’re head is more upright meaning your head sits further back and your natural field of view in this position is better. This is how some operators explain it but they acknowledge the negatives and even stated that they must be aware of the drawback while in the field.
I recently built a Desert Tech MDRX and utilized the Unity mount for the Eotech and flip ro center, and it helps with my cross eye dominance. If it were not for that handicap I would probably use standard mounts.
Love your sarcasm and truth at the same time. I do run a Unity mount with my red dot and I love it! I’m 6’2 and for a tall guy it’s perfect. I also run a cheek riser to help with cheek placement.
Solid review. I am new to rifle shooting and have these mounts. Honestly, I love them and that is solely based on the limited and few mounts I have tried before. Your review was super informative and gave me the clarity needed to truly understand the riser/mount.
I have these risers on different rifle platforms, PDW’s. As With everything in cool guy setup world--- it’s a compromise. It just happens to have waaaay more pluses than minuses for me, my mechanics, my discipline, and my marksmanship isn’t that picky once behind the gun. So after many thousands of training rounds; I find these work for me. I use thermal and NODS and the pluses are obvious there. I have trained the touchpoints, and the recoil is well managed for me. What works for you, what you prefer, what materializes for you has to be determined by you. For me, this adaptation is a keeper.
My reason for using the Unity red dot mount is almost exclusively down to the fact I often have fogging issues with my rifle, and the Unity backup sight works with the Front sight post. But then again I'm talking about a light rifle used around my land more like a utility item than a gucci setup. It is nice to use with my PVS-14 but it's not really my main goal with that rifle. So for my purposes, it works really well and I don't even have to buy goofy looking canted sights / mounts.
Facts. Brass facts, to be exact. I’m messing around with a unity riser for my EOTech and I still don’t know if I’ll stick with it. Nova’s face at the end is gold
I got mine because I have a pvs-14 now. I can fit my eotech and flip to side G43 on the same mount no issue. Shooting it in alternative positions is fine. Hopefully get to shoot it to longer distances soon.
Running optics on an AK got me similar conclusions. Getting the optic as low as possible on an AK makes shooting alot more pleasant because of a nice cheek weld.
Remember kids, There's always picatinny risers, they accomplish this concept at a fraction of the price, without weird proprietary crap to worry about. Good vid 👍
Remember kids, there isn't any "weird proprietary crap" going on with the 2.26 height mount except for the height itself. The Unity mount has a fairly specific use (i.e. makes shooting with night vision and comms headsets easier and less stressful on the neck) and people seem to either forget that or more or less ignore the company's information about the product in favor of their own Cliff's Notes/tl;dr version. Most of the people who do the kind of shooting this mount height is aimed at don't do a lot of prone shooting. They go transported to the target, walk/run in, kill who they need to, take what they need to, and leave. It isn't aimed at competition shooters, line infantry, "REECE" setups, etc. That doesn't mean that some people won't get benefit out of it even then, but the average buyer shouldn't get mad at the company when they buy something that isn't designed for their intended purpose.
For perspective, Eotech exps 2.2 is 11.2 oz + a G45 (5x magnification) is 12.8oz = exactly 24 oz. A Leupold Mark 6 (3x-18x) is 23.6 oz. And it can be illum with multiple reticles (like tremor) There are a few scopes out there that can out-magnify these trendy flippy single magnification units. I'd suggest people look at the VCOG or a solid (but light) LPVO, if they're wanting magnification.
Completely different use cases. Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs and most magnifiers can be removed if needed. I’m not throwing a 3-18 on a gun I would put an eotech on anyway
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe "Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs" Agreed. That's why I'd use an RMR w/ Scalarworks Kick or irons w/ tritium for a 3x shot. Or, just use my sidearm. Or, just not get caught in a 25yd engagement distance like an idiot.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe I want every unfair adv I can have. Not satisfied w/ just an Eotech and would not run a Holosun unless I had to. Exception would be proven red dots, like the Aimpoint T2, because that at least is worth magnifying and tinkering with magnifiers. LPVOs are much easier, though, so if that's your standpoint, I'd agre.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe "Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs and most magnifiers can be removed if needed. I’m not throwing a 3-18 on a gun I would put an eotech on anyway" Then how do you propose to positively ID your buddy in a SHTF scenario and avoid Friendly Fire? Not calling Eotech bad, but I'd either go 5x magnify and NEVER take it off, or go straight to a 1-8x, 1-10, whichever I could afford. Same with an enemy. Why not have as much magnification you can, then scale back if needed? Pretty sure most soldiers in Afghanistan / Iraq would LOVE to have their pick of LPVO's and MPVO's. I had to think about it a bit, but your point is stupid - you have every luxury - a veritable buffet of optics most soldiers don't have access to - and you're saying "brah, 18x is too much, brah". That's retarded, considering some mid-to-long range scopes are LIGHTER THAN SOME LPVOS. That was my point. I'd be happy to take your Eotech once you get dropped, though.
Love the vids! Just one suggestion. When doing some room clearing, always clear corners, never turn your back to an open doorway that hasn’t been cleared and always check behind open doors. If you yourself cannot check behind, pin the door against whatever is behind it until a buddy can come up and peek behind with his muzzle. Done lots of room clearing in real life, just one thing that might help you out.
I have a XPS3 in the OG riser mount so its about 2.0" and its dope. handy for heads up every day shooting and absolutely required with a pvs-14. CQB is irrelevant because if you do that you are dead.
I’d say it’s well thought out if paired with the magnifier mounts, that flip to the center mount is far superior in form compared to the stock flip to the sides or god forbid the aimpoint twist offs
I specifically bought the riser because I knew I was going to put an EOTech XPS3 on my 11.5 and I wanted a 3x MAG on it using the Unity Fast because I dislike the side flip magnifier options. Can we also address the fact that your riser is facing backwards? It's also very easy to adjust for the change in height with a cheek riser. There's a million of them.
I know many dudes that hate my fast mount be cause its so high up. But same way I hate their mounts that are so down that I need to really crumble to get a good sight picture. So its pretty much personal thing what suits you best. And I think that center flip magnifier is just a bonus if the mount fits your body style better than the lower ones. Then night vision if you use any will change the game completely. I believe passive night vision shooting is the only viable option these days when all sides have the nvg capability and they can see IR spectrum lasers and lights. But that's only if you do operate at the night time too. I don't say IR lasers are useless, but you should train to shoot without it. Its good for pointing things out for you squad members, but its not good to use for aiming since it gives your position away if your enemy also has nvg's.
8:01 "some people are just built like neanderthals". This right here is why I like 2.26 height optics. I'm built like a post-taffy puller Mike TV. 2.26 optics are just comfortable for me.
I think some of this comes down to your body and size. When I try to passively aim with my EXPS-3, I have to squish my head down on the stock in an uncomfortable manner. With the riser, I can keep my head up and comfortably shoot. I haven't put a lot of rounds through my rifle with this setup, but enough to know it works for me. On my AKS-74U I have the Zenitco B-18 mount with a Holosun and it is similar in height. I also tried to passively aim when my Perst-4 decided to puke it's battery cap on a NVG stage. It didn't go well. I only had my monocular for a month so I hadn't had as much training on passive shooting as I do now. For most people, this riser won't be a gamechanger, and for me it only adds a bit of comfort when shooting with NVGs. Is that comfort worth $70-90? It was for me but might not be for most.
I like my Riser mounts. I find it helps I’m with time on Target, comfort, and those two things combined seem to help with accuracy vs speed (in my head at least).
I think this was one of your better videos. I think you covering the downsides and discussing how it is a niche use was valuable. I personally dislike unity height for red dots and absolutely hate their LPVO mount. Using it with a mask or for passive with a dot makes sense but something with an eye box is silly.
Bought one, got it yesterday happened to see this video on my feed today….I wonder 🧐, anyway, I love it. Just mouthing the Eotech in the rail made me have to squish my face against the rail too much and was uncomfortable. The little added height was very welcome.
I am new to AR ownership. My rifle is equipped with an Aimpoint CompM5 perched atop a Unity Fast mount. I am loving it! Feels very natural in my novice hands.
Yes. I DO plan to acquire a Unity flip to center magnifier mount. No. I don't plan on getting into night vision. However, wearing a gas mask during civilian maneuvers is a very realistic scenario.
Regarding magnification of RDS: if the mag is more often than not being utilized, then I feel a LPVO is better served. I feel that a RDS with mag is best served when the default is unmagnified and only there for "when needed" for PID or better precision at intermediate ranges. A do-it-all PDW/home "rifle". But that's just my ignorant dumbass talking 🤷♂️😂
Recently switched to a fast micro on my home defense carbines. Loving it so far. In my most likely scenario for using a carbine (home defense) the pros vastly outweigh the cons imo. Ability to stay heads up is awesome. Being about to switch from optic to irons without moving anything on the firearm is a nice placebo as well. Obviously cons exist and are even more prevalent in other scenarios. HOB/zeroing issues are obviously there. If shooting at distance is common for an individual, the pros and cons start to weigh in differently. Personally, I would rather be most setup for the most likely scenario I’ll find myself in even if that costs me in other areas. Scanning for intruders/family/dog/etc is much more helpful to me than engaging targets at distance so I’ll tend to lean that direction with my setup. But it’s completely understandable if someone’s goals are different. It’s always a give and take.
I enjoy it for the purpose i built my rifle for and i got it for a steal with a T2. Would I buy another one? No, but I appreciate it for my NVG and it's comfortable for my neck and body type. Excellent review and good opinions!
Yep - all valid points here. There will always be trade offs with mounts in general. So you just weigh those against what type and or level of shooting you "do". I actually prefer the Unity until I have had to shoot prone...That is it's achilles heel (having a 10rn mag accessible helps) and like he said - have that Chiropractor on speed dial.
there is deff its place, like you said - mainly CQB for that "natural" feel. But It can work for other people in different ways. I have a super long neck and would test out my eotech with no riser for 6 weeks, then go back to the riser for another 6 weeks. I did this for almost a year and i settled on leaving the riser on. I found because my neck has to come way too far down without it and it feels so unnatural. THe riser make me feel MUCH more natural when shooting and its on my gun now to stay and will be there for a while
Kind of a Catch-22. A great reason for the riser is the cool, FTC magnifier mount. But having a FTC magnifier mount so high is less ergonomic for stable/prone shooting... I think I'll live with a lower 1/3 or 1.93 dot and a standard height "swing-to-side" magnifier for now. Cool option though...
I feel like a lot of commenters ignored the part about how competition shooters aren't using these in favor of parroting "upright posture makes you faster" without any objective evidence that that is true. It should be easy to test if you have two rifles (you all do) and a shot timer (you should get one of these if you care about your shooting performance). Both transition time and shot to shot split times could be measures of performance that we use to compare the two setups.
GPRS paired with UV made in even taller than 2.262.91 at the center line with a FTC and the fact that a company that makes the alpha TARAC and I believe 4.0 version is now in 1.93 and 2.26 variations that sits in front of your arm deck and it works as a prism to help you with long shots
idk if you have one but you had that kit on you specifically at the time of filming, but i would suggest getting a dump pouch on a "tactical belt". makes reloading much easier and faster since you dont have to fiddle around with your rig to get the empty mag in and a new one out
@BrassFacts while I agree with your statement, wouldn't you agree that having for ex. An IFAK on your 6, and perhaps even a dump pouch on your 3 is just plain comfortable? There isn't a single type of scenario where you wouldn't need a med kit handy, and since you have your gun on your right, the dump pouch will be easy to reach out to, I've seen guys just line up their magwells with the dump pouch and hitting the mag release. Not trying to have an argument here, just saying
I bought a knock off one to see if I liked the height. I tend to find myself in a weird sizing for most parts where sometimes I would fall in a large fit category, but other times not. I find it nice when just using a dot and dry firing/mock clearing the house. On the other hand I also have tried using a larger stock (hight wise like the magpul sls vs a bcm sopmod) so I get a better cheek contact vs chin with a more upright head position. I think for me the best case use scenario would be strictly as a dot (haven't tried a 1.93 height however for comparison) without a magnifier on something like a 300 blk suppressed home defense. Anything like shtf or longer ranges I want magnification and a 3x magnifier won't cut it if a target is camo'd and/or in cover. So going with a LPVO for that load out.
Good video! I believe that people have different body structure including facial builds to include why this is still a viable option to we the consumers. And let’s not forget that the fast RDS mount has BUIS built within.
I prefer an RMR on top of a TA-31. There’s also ACOGs available with BUIS on top. There’s no magnifier on a pivot to move. There’s reduced potential for interference with your field of view at any distance. Both optics are so reliable, I like to run a different zero for each optic. I run a zero on the ACOG to keep my BDC as relevant as possible. I zero the RMR for anything 100 yards or less. This setup works well for target rich dynamic environments.
I like using mine with a cheek riser and red dot on. I think you pointed out good reasons for why any prism or lpvo should be on a lower 1/3 height or 1.93 at the highest. Then maybe i can throw a red dot on top of that optic and have the best of both heights
After using an ACOG+RMR for years, 2.26" seems quite low. Honestly though I put a unity combo on my 10" SCAR 4-5 months ago and I fucking love it. The biggest downside for me is shooting prone, you got to push your torso up just enough that it wears on the muscles over extended shooting sessions. I can't imagine doing so with a heavy backpack on. Also shoutout to DeltaThirtyFour, after watching his zeroing videos I spent hours on Strelok figuring out an optimal 4.26" height over bore zero.
I’m not going to get into my credentials but I have some time behind a lot of different mounts. Height over bore doesn’t really matter when you know the distances you’ll be shooting and can zero to them. CQB instructors are zeroed to very close range so they can quickly and accurately put rounds in T boxes without changing their point of aim. Same goes for anyone knowing they will be shooting at close quarters. At that range, you usually won’t have a cheek weld anyway. Another point is that you can get behind the optic while wearing nods so you don’t need IR light/laser further reducing your signature during an op. If you don’t fall into either category then you shouldn’t get one. I see a lot of wrong justifications around these mounts. Plate presentation is negligible, adjusting point of aim is a nonstarter, peripheral vision is negligible.
My first optic was mounted on the carry handle of the musket I deployed with in 03 (m16a2), was really high but felt comfortable out to 50 ish yards then got a little wonky. For gas mask or any large headgear, it's great but for pure speed and accuracy there's a reason you don't see it in competition. Any product that gets endorsed by retired seals or sf gets way too much hype and these companies are very good at marketing and creating demand. My two cents. Rah.
Alternative perspective: I've messed up my neck through my job, wrestling, and several vehicular collisions...it's genuinely uncomfortable to cram down on most standard height optics for more than a minute or two at a time. Using one of these super high mounts really alleviates the issue even though I don't use nods (by and large).
I’m actually curious if a sloped rail like for long range on items like this would create more issues or actually fix a lot of HOB issues. The reason for this is actually based on medical data from a lot of gun fights and injuries.. lower joints force you to bend and roll forward vs standing up straighter.. this has resulted in a lot of high thorax wounds over the top of the plates..
I wish I could speak from real world experience but hard to plunk down the cash for something like this when you aren’t sure about it. That said, I would think that while the Unity FTC mount would be better than a standard FTS mount for CQB-ie when the magnifier is not in use-I can’t help but think a lower 1/3rd with *no* magnifier would be better than the Unity setup for the same CQB scenario. So maybe the real key is just having a QD magnifier and removing it for CQB (or, put another way, only putting the magnifier on when it’s needed). Right?
In RE to some of the shooting positions.
I assure you, they're quite safe. I'm shooting from a elevated position down into a "cup" like area.
The visual of the cars in the backdrop is mostly a by product of a wide FoV camera and a high angle.
That being said, I still take fault here.
Is it safe: I think so
Could it be a lot safer: yes.
I'll do better.
I love that you didn't just repeat the cliche statements but actually put everything into perspective
Appreciate that man.
i love that your mom
@@taint9690wait what did momma do?!
@@MRmagnatron made me breakfast
Best EU based gunchannel hands down.
-greetings from Germany 🤟
Me referring to this video next time the chipotle operator asks why i need more meat
"MEEAT!" Who is this, Kowalski from The Ren and Stimpy episode where they adopt the death row inmate?
What kind of bread do you want on your sandwich?
"MEAT!"
Okay, meat-on-meat sandwich...
What do you want to drink?
"MEAT!"
They then proceed to blend up meat and Kowalski drinks down the sludge.
@@chadwik4000 I still use that one today. Hahaja
@@chadwik4000 #RenandStimpyGang
@@diesel5355 #happyhappyjoyjoyN1GGA
I get the downsides you mentioned. But for reals, the neck relief from a Unity riser is such a plus for me. Absolute cowitness sights murder my neck. I’m a small guy but the way I hold my rifle I can still get a cheek weld with the riser and it feels stable. Also it makes me look cool, which is +20 horsepower
I always paint racing strips on mine
Pitvipers can also give you a .27 MOA advantage..
How's your neck looking through it in the prone for a long time? I remember a lot of laying in the prone looking though my optic in Iraq.
It’s a CQB speciality item in my opinion I have one on a sbr. I run badger ordinace on my lpvo do it all rifles
Yes
I couldn’t agree more the only benefit to any of these risers is either for situational awareness for a CQB environment or shooting under Nods. My team followed the tactical hype for awhile. We realized after 6k or so rounds that these blow ass on any other weapon system other then one specifically utilized for one of those scenarios. We still employ them on our CQB systems but shit canned them on ever other weapon to maintain shooting principles such as cheek weld and recoil mitigation.
Super useful dude! I really appreciate your analysis IRL and breakdown on this. Awww, doggie dreams are best.
Why does this comment say it’s 2 weeks old the video came out 4 hours ago
@@Ferrum_Armory_llc I'm a time traveller? Naw, I donate through Subscribstar and one of the benefits of that is seeing video's early. I highly recommend it!
I can only speak for myself, but as a glasses wearer, when shooting without a riser (Absolute or lower 1/3, doesn't matter.) I end up looking over my glasses and then I can't see for shit. Riser always for me.
Nerds don’t shoot guns.
Exactly the same deal for me. Especially when the outer edges of my glasses fog up.
It’s true . Without my glasses even with an eo tech the dot is pretty shitty. I’m essentially using the circle and sending it . With glasses it’s almost perfect .
Your comments about stability especially with a magnifier is exactly why I went with a 1.93" instead for my setup. I still have my cheek on the stock with that height for that extra bit of stability, unlike the Unity 2.26" height where I'm definitely going off of a chinweld and prone shooting wasn't pleasant for me. Of course like you said, I know folks that can still get a solid cheekweld even with a 2.26" so that's just down to body/head structure and genetics for personal preference/comfort. "It depends."
Literally cheek risers exist
What barrel length are you running???
Ditto .. on both my 11.5 and 13.7 1.93 all day
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ cheek risers on ARs aren't that great because of the charging handle location. Yeah you can get those small ones but the position of those aren't great. You can run your stock out but then its not great for eye relief and different positions. It's all pros and cons and its not a perfect solution. Cheek risers work great on AKs though.
I mean, if you're not using electronic earpro, NVGs, or a gas mask, you're missing the point of the 2.26 height.
Something interesting the guys at Orion Training Group mentioned with their Keenu Risers, a similar concept to the Unity but longer, is that they put a Wilcox FTS mount for a thermal system on the front, giving them both thermal and NV passive aiming solutions. And if they really desire to, they can run the 3x FTC Magnifier on the back. A lot of optics capability, but you can strip it down to just the EOTech.
Exactly the mount height i would choose if I could budget $35,000 for a similar do-all premium night/day setup 😉
@@berryreading4809 lol, it's definitely an insane price point, but it's decently thought out
@@RobotPanda15 It's seriously the perfect do everything night capable near peer/ peer-to-peer 5.56 carbine (assuming you have the supporting personal equipment as well white phosphorus dual tubes, proper bino mounts that play well with thermals, etc)... Although I'd take mine with a 14.5-16" barrel, QD suppressor, and one of the newer 5x/6x magnifiers instead of the classic 3x... Although I'm not sure how those play with the flip to center mounts 🤔 I think that's the only limitation to most builds similar to theirs, usually based on 10.5's with suppressors that stay on all the time... I like the idea of being able to push out my observation/ballistic power distance a little farther, but with the same night capabilities 👍 Now I just have to choose which Toyota 4x4 I love the least and sell it if I actually wanna make that a reality 😐 😄
A guy did something similar with a noveske 6mm arc 12.5" with leupold mk5 2-10, offset dot, thermal and all
Just lower optic height
(I think standard 1.5")
Is definitely a lot of capability
I personally have found the lower optics fit me better
Am tall but slim face and I like a nice, tight cheek weld
I know it's a balancing act with situational awareness but I prefer to shoot as well as I can, close or far, the standards and principles are the same tbh
And at least according to many instructors too many students are falling for the hype and not able to perform with the taller mounts (even ignoring the issues with trajectory and all)
And I think some people get too hyped on the idea of passive aiming or wearing a pro mask
I get it but prefer to favor most likely situations and to acknowledge the least likely stuff will just be more uncomfortable or require something else
(Piggyback dot for pro mask as an example)
I realize it might not be for everyone but I love the unity fast mount. I wasn't sure about it until I actually used one and then I fell in love with it. The neck position is ultra comfortable for me and I do most of my shooting within 50 yards and no further than 200 so a magnifier isn't a major consideration. Your mileage may vary.
Yup love this thing
What barrel length do you run? If I'm running a 13.9" but shoot out to 100 most or the time and to 300 occasionally, an RDS can do all of that with my 2,870 velocity right?
@@ThePatriotParadox primarily 13.7" but I also have one on my 16" gun. I like a 50/200 zero and don't have any trouble hitting at 200 with just a dot.
magnifiers are still important for PID.
@@ImperiumLibertas Yeah they definitely can be. I'm a big fan of magnifiers. At the same time though context matters. If I'm in my house I don't need a magnifier to see that the armed stranger in my kitchen is a threat. If I'm in the woods trying to see whether the guys on the next ridge are a threat then it's indispensable. The first situation is a lot more likely for me than the second one though.
2.26 helps me with situational awareness inside structures, and for patrol situations, the dot comes to my eye faster. PLus add in the if-needed use for NV it is a Very practical product.
The Unity is wonderful in its application. I have had one on my 10.5 for a while and love it, although it took some getting used to. I personally hate FTS mounts, but feel most rifles need magnification, if for no reason other than PID. It allows me to have some extra capability on a gun that was built for working mostly indoors. You did an amazing job on this video. It does its job very well, but there is no perfect for everything. Everything has pros and cons. Understand them and build accordingly.
My favorite thing about the tall risers is people saying they use a 50/200 zero with their short ARs with their Unity setups
This makes me think that they don’t have access to a 100 yard range, or they would be very surprised!
Worked fine for me
What zero do you use ? Asking for a friend 😂
I know with a 14.5 and a 2.3 it's like 50/250, what is a 10.3?
As someone who is new and getting into ARs, can somebody explain this joke?
cause my 12.5 ARP is zero'd for 50/200 and I'm thinking about getting the unity riser for my RD lol.
Finally nice to hear an unbiased take on the whole high mount scene. When all you hear is marketing and former “operators” who spend all their time trying to sell these products, it gets hard to really hear an unbiased take on the whole concept. Thanks for putting out this info.
Former SOF dude spokesperson, “Everyone needs to buy this. This is the best thing ever.”
Potential civilian customer, “I am skeptical.”
SOF salesman, “YOU’RE NOT AN OPERATOR. THIS IS FOR GUYS WHO OPERATE.”
Civilian, “Oh, I guess I don’t need it then, since I’m not an operator.”
Salesman, “… Fuck.”
This explains the bullet holes in the back of my semi truck. Luckily I was only carrying orphans from one orphanage to the other, and only the lowest value ones got hit. Damage was easy to fix and cargo was covered by insurance.
Scrolled way too far to find this. Where the hell is he shooting that he’s that close to a highway? 6:10
@@voltron0911 I was thinking the same thing,,, im sure he was shooting into some sort of back stop but still...
I have a 2.25 fast riser for my eotech and will never go back to anything else. Being able to shoulder your weapon and be perfectly in line with your eye sight and stay broad is the way to go. Having the ability to see out of your peripheral vision at all times is great as well. Makes targets transitions so much quicker.
Agreed. Only difference here is I'm usin the fast mount with a holoson dot paird with a eotech g33 in the ftc mount.
;see car15
You can stay broad and have great peripheral with co witness too. maybe my body type is different but I have both set ups and i dont see a difference in peripheral.
Do you shoot at long ranges 2 3 400 yards? Or do u shoot on a 25 yard flat range?
Seems being 2.25 would give some height over bore issues?
@@eugenechurch6135 been wantin to just havent had a place to get out...most the shooting I've done with it has been in 100 yards with varying types of range.... up hill down hill all kinds like that, as far as that goes. It's just fine, just know within say 7 yards your just gonna have to get used to knowin to hold high. Not an issue at all. It becomes instinctive overtime, if you wanna make headshots within a dwelling or 10 yards, just put the reticle at the hairline or top of the head. Has always got me where I want to be and like I said its natural now.. personally I dont think I'll ever go back to any shorter optic hieght.
Please do an episode on ammo.
You can discuss the differences between zero ammo vs practice ammo, as well as “Game Day Ammo”. There’s a lot that goes into this because, obviously your zero is different from what you normally shoot everyday. You could discuss the relationship there as well as why you prefer a specific loading for a shtf scenario. But then there’s the nuance of why you zero your gun for one thing and shoot another.
I also want to know what you are shooting. I like 55gr m193 clone bullshit cuz it’s everywhere and cheap and repeatable. But I’d like to see what you’re shooting and hear your reasoning why.
thats already been covered pretty well by others.
a 20in barrel turns all ammo into duty ammo. 😉
Personally, I loved mine. Makes aiming ridiculously comfortable. Yes it is high but really useful.
How is it shooting prone?
@@TheStig505 not as comfortable as an absolute/lower 1/3 but not too bad
Especially useful when you have to look through your glasses to aim.
@@narb731 yep, and I find that I don’t bump my ear pro off my strong side ear as often
I've gone through weeks where I've been very high.
I picked up a 1.93 and 2.26 mount, and decided on the 1.93. I always felt like I had a neck like Littlefoot but the Unity felt just a tad too much to me. The 1.93 didn't seem significantly more than the lower 1/3 mount, but just enough to be more comfy, and not be too outrageous in the prone. Bonus points is that with the spacers for my mount on a magnifier it still works with the 1.93 mount and I don't have to make the investment in another mount for it as well.
Bro don't even bring up Littlefoot. I miss that homie like you wouldn't believe. RIP.
I have also adapted the style that keeping your head upright on your rifle during a fight is very useful. I don't need to struggle to arch my back when getting into a shooting stance
I thought the 2.26 riser was stupidly high, so I went with the 1.93 riser
Then I tried the 2.26 riser and fell in love, it just felt so much better for everything other than shooting prone
Did you manage a cheek weld with the 1.93 or is it more like a gentle chin caress?
@@mghegotagun they sell riser you can have a cheeck weld no matter what height you use
@@mghegotagun 1.93 I had a cheek weld still, with the 2.26 it moves to more of the chin
One of my favorite matrixes:
Low height over bore - Comfort (head-up position) - Recoil control
You can only choose 2
A 5.56 rifle isn't a lot of recoil so you don't have to control much
Ctr stock cheek risers
@@JustSumGuy01you do if you're trying to group 8inch circles at 50 with any kind of speed.
@@sethhlewis True but at that point, it is more about accuracy, which requires you to be a bit more deliberate than speed
Bought mine for passive aiming and I really want all my optics at the same height now, or at least between 1.93-2.26. It’s extremely comfortable to shoot and I have no issues with it prone.
Sounds like another argument for me getting a 3.5 Led Acog with a forward mounted rmr. Nice video as always.
Is the 3.5x35 more useful over 4x?
@SyrupCanuck it's just less fov for more eye relief
Really depends what you prefer tbh
Know it's a late reply sorry lol
5:40 lol, trucks 🛻 casually driving by from direction you’re shooting at
I straight up just listen to your videos all day at this point. This one stood out from al the other great videos
I honestly like the risers. I’ve got one on my NV setup and of course with NV it helps having the kore heads up chin rather than cheek weld and I’ve found I like it even when I’m not using NV. Only downside is it kinda kills backup irons. The other Unity risers let you still use them but not the Eotech riser. Not big on offset irons so still trying to think of a backup aiming system.
Edit: this is where the Eotech reticle comes in handy for CQB or any other holds needed. Rather than guessing where to hold your dot above you can use the bottom of the donut of death
I love the riser for NVG but using it without that is kinda eh
Might already know by now but scalarworks makes taller flip up sights
Might be worth a look
They might be specific to 1.93" height if so apologies
Otherwise
Yhm has short risers that can lift your irons up
Not ideal but they work
Dude… beginning of this video had me rolling. Hahah. Best video/discussion on risers on have seen so far. Great vid.
It’s a must for passive aiming with night vision which I think is more important then we tend to think know that everyone has night vision
Not everyone has NODs.
@@FXIIBeaver I mean most people have them hell gang banger got them if don’t got them sell a couple of guns because they are a must that why US special forces used to be gods on the battlefield
Aint even a must. Exps stock height is super easy with nods
I can aim just fine under my pvs14 with an EXPS3. Honestly, a cheap UTG 1/2 inch riser raises the EXPS just enough to make it perfect. Its only $12 and J like the height better than the taller Unity options 🤷♂️
Guess I just got a long neck then because I got the mount flipped around and mounted my comp m4 as far as I could out there in space
Good one as always! I love the unity on my... Oddly identical NV setup but then I go low on the long range setup for exactly the reason you mentioned.
-Walsh
there's really only one king for NV, and it's a eotech on a riser haha.
I like my 1.93" and see it as a much better compromise. I don't plan to go any higher than that. It still provides enough stability and situational awareness. It makes a HUGE difference when shooting with over the ear hearing protection and I want to eventually get NVGs, so both of those are nice benefits.
I have a small head so I probably would use the 1.93. I use the 1/3 and find it is ok coming from the old days of absolute co witness.
I put a holosun 512 on a unity riser. Its one of my favorite optic setups on an ar15. The 512 is at an absolute cowitness height so the riser puts it at just over 2".
Magnifiers are great but I only run them on absolute or lower 1/3 because of height compatibility. It makes sense they would be more difficult to use on a high mount with the eyebox and cheek/chinweld.
Good video
ive been using the unity setup for an eotech exps3 and a g33 setup for awhile and I love it. with lower 1/3 i have to really choke down onto the gun and it gets hard to naturally aim with especially in armor. since I switched I've had no issues settling into a proper stance and sight picture whatsoever. i have a really long neck compared to some so that might be why.
I like the unity riser with an XPS 3-0 so it's a closer to the scalarworks 1.93 height, running that with a vortex micro with the 1.93 spacer on my CQB and it's more comfortable than 2.2 personally and clears a peq-15 just fine. Great video again!
What about just an a2 carry handle with one of those blitzkreig trianglular front sights? I tried that setup compared to a red dot type 1x optic and its pretty comparable, simple, reliable, no batteries, and cheap.
I use a PRS lite on mine with the flip to center so I have a good cheek riser that allows me to keep it under recoil while being able to use it on both sides. I like it for unconventional positions for less of a signature. All you points are valid great vid. 👍
I thought it was a silly idea...then i gave in and tried it....and love it. Now every gun has some type of high rise rds. lpvo with rds on top, acog with rds on top front, high rise rds on short guns with qd mag.. Love em
Currently train with a midwest SWAT Team. I use 2.26 for several reasons, neck surgery primarily. My "work" carbine is pretty strictly a fast cqb setup. Not even a real shorty neither, a 14.5 with a SF 4 prong.
ETA: Just my .02 fwiw
My only issue with the unity riser is that I loved it so much that I had to buy the fast mount for my aim point too. So I ended up spending more than double what I wanted after also getting the QD lever.
From my understanding of taller mounts it’s not only for helping your posture while shooting but it also leaves your head more upright so you can see more with your peripheral vision since you’re head is more upright meaning your head sits further back and your natural field of view in this position is better. This is how some operators explain it but they acknowledge the negatives and even stated that they must be aware of the drawback while in the field.
Been watching for a year now and just wanted to say your videos have gotten incredibly better!!
I recently built a Desert Tech MDRX and utilized the Unity mount for the Eotech and flip ro center, and it helps with my cross eye dominance. If it were not for that handicap I would probably use standard mounts.
Love your sarcasm and truth at the same time. I do run a Unity mount with my red dot and I love it! I’m 6’2 and for a tall guy it’s perfect. I also run a cheek riser to help with cheek placement.
I was gonna say what about with that added?
We best be getting a video on your *300 GLIZZY SET UP*
Not sure about the riser, but I AM SURE that is a sweet tacti-cape (around 8:35).
I want one…
Solid review. I am new to rifle shooting and have these mounts. Honestly, I love them and that is solely based on the limited and few mounts I have tried before. Your review was super informative and gave me the clarity needed to truly understand the riser/mount.
I have these risers on different rifle platforms, PDW’s. As With everything in cool guy setup world--- it’s a compromise. It just happens to have waaaay more pluses than minuses for me, my mechanics, my discipline, and my marksmanship isn’t that picky once behind the gun. So after many thousands of training rounds; I find these work for me. I use thermal and NODS and the pluses are obvious there. I have trained the touchpoints, and the recoil is well managed for me. What works for you, what you prefer, what materializes for you has to be determined by you. For me, this adaptation is a keeper.
My reason for using the Unity red dot mount is almost exclusively down to the fact I often have fogging issues with my rifle, and the Unity backup sight works with the Front sight post. But then again I'm talking about a light rifle used around my land more like a utility item than a gucci setup. It is nice to use with my PVS-14 but it's not really my main goal with that rifle.
So for my purposes, it works really well and I don't even have to buy goofy looking canted sights / mounts.
Facts. Brass facts, to be exact. I’m messing around with a unity riser for my EOTech and I still don’t know if I’ll stick with it.
Nova’s face at the end is gold
I got mine because I have a pvs-14 now. I can fit my eotech and flip to side G43 on the same mount no issue. Shooting it in alternative positions is fine. Hopefully get to shoot it to longer distances soon.
Correct about the cheek weld and magnifier points.
Running optics on an AK got me similar conclusions. Getting the optic as low as possible on an AK makes shooting alot more pleasant because of a nice cheek weld.
A general rule of thumb between weapon platforms. AKs need lower optics while ARs need higher ones.
A nice thick cheek pad will help if you are having issues with sight movement at higher heights
Remember kids, There's always picatinny risers, they accomplish this concept at a fraction of the price, without weird proprietary crap to worry about. Good vid 👍
Remember kids, there isn't any "weird proprietary crap" going on with the 2.26 height mount except for the height itself.
The Unity mount has a fairly specific use (i.e. makes shooting with night vision and comms headsets easier and less stressful on the neck) and people seem to either forget that or more or less ignore the company's information about the product in favor of their own Cliff's Notes/tl;dr version. Most of the people who do the kind of shooting this mount height is aimed at don't do a lot of prone shooting. They go transported to the target, walk/run in, kill who they need to, take what they need to, and leave.
It isn't aimed at competition shooters, line infantry, "REECE" setups, etc. That doesn't mean that some people won't get benefit out of it even then, but the average buyer shouldn't get mad at the company when they buy something that isn't designed for their intended purpose.
@@cstgraphpads2091 here is the good old firearms elitist I've been expecting you 🥸
@@cstgraphpads2091 we get it bro, you bought a unity mount...
Imagine in a world where a half an inch gains the all inclusive name Tacticool!
I had to lose 30 pounds to gain half an inch.
For perspective, Eotech exps 2.2 is 11.2 oz + a G45 (5x magnification) is 12.8oz
= exactly 24 oz.
A Leupold Mark 6 (3x-18x) is 23.6 oz. And it can be illum with multiple reticles (like tremor)
There are a few scopes out there that can out-magnify these trendy flippy single magnification units.
I'd suggest people look at the VCOG or a solid (but light) LPVO, if they're wanting magnification.
Completely different use cases. Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs and most magnifiers can be removed if needed. I’m not throwing a 3-18 on a gun I would put an eotech on anyway
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe Hope it's an exps-4, then, so you get to 600yds, illum, NV.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe "Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs"
Agreed. That's why I'd use an RMR w/ Scalarworks Kick or irons w/ tritium for a 3x shot.
Or, just use my sidearm.
Or, just not get caught in a 25yd engagement distance like an idiot.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe I want every unfair adv I can have. Not satisfied w/ just an Eotech and would not run a Holosun unless I had to. Exception would be proven red dots, like the Aimpoint T2, because that at least is worth magnifying and tinkering with magnifiers. LPVOs are much easier, though, so if that's your standpoint, I'd agre.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe "Nobody is using a mk6 for passive aiming with nvgs and most magnifiers can be removed if needed. I’m not throwing a 3-18 on a gun I would put an eotech on anyway"
Then how do you propose to positively ID your buddy in a SHTF scenario and avoid Friendly Fire? Not calling Eotech bad, but I'd either go 5x magnify and NEVER take it off, or go straight to a 1-8x, 1-10, whichever I could afford.
Same with an enemy. Why not have as much magnification you can, then scale back if needed? Pretty sure most soldiers in Afghanistan / Iraq would LOVE to have their pick of LPVO's and MPVO's.
I had to think about it a bit, but your point is stupid - you have every luxury - a veritable buffet of optics most soldiers don't have access to - and you're saying "brah, 18x is too much, brah".
That's retarded, considering some mid-to-long range scopes are LIGHTER THAN SOME LPVOS.
That was my point.
I'd be happy to take your Eotech once you get dropped, though.
Love the vids! Just one suggestion. When doing some room clearing, always clear corners, never turn your back to an open doorway that hasn’t been cleared and always check behind open doors. If you yourself cannot check behind, pin the door against whatever is behind it until a buddy can come up and peek behind with his muzzle. Done lots of room clearing in real life, just one thing that might help you out.
I have a XPS3 in the OG riser mount so its about 2.0" and its dope. handy for heads up every day shooting and absolutely required with a pvs-14. CQB is irrelevant because if you do that you are dead.
I’d say it’s well thought out if paired with the magnifier mounts, that flip to the center mount is far superior in form compared to the stock flip to the sides or god forbid the aimpoint twist offs
What's wrong with twist off I usually end up quick disconnecting my flip to side anyway
@@Danefrak exactly and thats less fiddly than the twist off
I specifically bought the riser because I knew I was going to put an EOTech XPS3 on my 11.5 and I wanted a 3x MAG on it using the Unity Fast because I dislike the side flip magnifier options. Can we also address the fact that your riser is facing backwards?
It's also very easy to adjust for the change in height with a cheek riser. There's a million of them.
The delta thirty four video about battle zero's was phenomenal!
Link please
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@@Jerkasaur part 2
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Agreed… I refer to, and watch it often trying to memorize the different heights and zero distances. Aloha! 🤙🏽
@@EeZ3-808 I started measuring my height over bore and using ballistic calculators to find my preferred zero
I know many dudes that hate my fast mount be cause its so high up. But same way I hate their mounts that are so down that I need to really crumble to get a good sight picture. So its pretty much personal thing what suits you best. And I think that center flip magnifier is just a bonus if the mount fits your body style better than the lower ones. Then night vision if you use any will change the game completely. I believe passive night vision shooting is the only viable option these days when all sides have the nvg capability and they can see IR spectrum lasers and lights. But that's only if you do operate at the night time too. I don't say IR lasers are useless, but you should train to shoot without it. Its good for pointing things out for you squad members, but its not good to use for aiming since it gives your position away if your enemy also has nvg's.
8:01 "some people are just built like neanderthals". This right here is why I like 2.26 height optics. I'm built like a post-taffy puller Mike TV. 2.26 optics are just comfortable for me.
I think some of this comes down to your body and size. When I try to passively aim with my EXPS-3, I have to squish my head down on the stock in an uncomfortable manner. With the riser, I can keep my head up and comfortably shoot. I haven't put a lot of rounds through my rifle with this setup, but enough to know it works for me. On my AKS-74U I have the Zenitco B-18 mount with a Holosun and it is similar in height. I also tried to passively aim when my Perst-4 decided to puke it's battery cap on a NVG stage. It didn't go well. I only had my monocular for a month so I hadn't had as much training on passive shooting as I do now. For most people, this riser won't be a gamechanger, and for me it only adds a bit of comfort when shooting with NVGs. Is that comfort worth $70-90? It was for me but might not be for most.
I like my Riser mounts. I find it helps I’m with time on Target, comfort, and those two things combined seem to help with accuracy vs speed (in my head at least).
Couldn't you fix the chin weld with a stock riser without negating the advantages
I like it for using the magnifier combo. Don't have to lean into the sight. Makes it easier to shoot with an eotech at night.
I think this was one of your better videos. I think you covering the downsides and discussing how it is a niche use was valuable. I personally dislike unity height for red dots and absolutely hate their LPVO mount. Using it with a mask or for passive with a dot makes sense but something with an eye box is silly.
Bought one, got it yesterday happened to see this video on my feed today….I wonder 🧐, anyway, I love it. Just mouthing the Eotech in the rail made me have to squish my face against the rail too much and was uncomfortable. The little added height was very welcome.
Application specific for me. 200 yards and it, I like it. I've also got a jacked up neck, and the more heads up posture helps.
I am new to AR ownership. My rifle is equipped with an Aimpoint CompM5 perched atop a Unity Fast mount. I am loving it! Feels very natural in my novice hands.
Yes. I DO plan to acquire a Unity flip to center magnifier mount.
No. I don't plan on getting into night vision. However, wearing a gas mask during civilian maneuvers is a very realistic scenario.
Regarding magnification of RDS: if the mag is more often than not being utilized, then I feel a LPVO is better served. I feel that a RDS with mag is best served when the default is unmagnified and only there for "when needed" for PID or better precision at intermediate ranges. A do-it-all PDW/home "rifle".
But that's just my ignorant dumbass talking 🤷♂️😂
I like your point at the end about TacSwap
Recently switched to a fast micro on my home defense carbines. Loving it so far. In my most likely scenario for using a carbine (home defense) the pros vastly outweigh the cons imo. Ability to stay heads up is awesome. Being about to switch from optic to irons without moving anything on the firearm is a nice placebo as well.
Obviously cons exist and are even more prevalent in other scenarios. HOB/zeroing issues are obviously there. If shooting at distance is common for an individual, the pros and cons start to weigh in differently.
Personally, I would rather be most setup for the most likely scenario I’ll find myself in even if that costs me in other areas. Scanning for intruders/family/dog/etc is much more helpful to me than engaging targets at distance so I’ll tend to lean that direction with my setup. But it’s completely understandable if someone’s goals are different. It’s always a give and take.
I enjoy it for the purpose i built my rifle for and i got it for a steal with a T2. Would I buy another one? No, but I appreciate it for my NVG and it's comfortable for my neck and body type. Excellent review and good opinions!
Yep - all valid points here. There will always be trade offs with mounts in general. So you just weigh those against what type and or level of shooting you "do". I actually prefer the Unity until I have had to shoot prone...That is it's achilles heel (having a 10rn mag accessible helps) and like he said - have that Chiropractor on speed dial.
there is deff its place, like you said - mainly CQB for that "natural" feel. But It can work for other people in different ways. I have a super long neck and would test out my eotech with no riser for 6 weeks, then go back to the riser for another 6 weeks. I did this for almost a year and i settled on leaving the riser on. I found because my neck has to come way too far down without it and it feels so unnatural. THe riser make me feel MUCH more natural when shooting and its on my gun now to stay and will be there for a while
I like this.
I really really like the 2.26 height. Its been so nice for the past few years to me.
Never seen that DVIR laser before, definitely going to check out the review on it!
Kind of a Catch-22. A great reason for the riser is the cool, FTC magnifier mount. But having a FTC magnifier mount so high is less ergonomic for stable/prone shooting...
I think I'll live with a lower 1/3 or 1.93 dot and a standard height "swing-to-side" magnifier for now. Cool option though...
I feel like a lot of commenters ignored the part about how competition shooters aren't using these in favor of parroting "upright posture makes you faster" without any objective evidence that that is true.
It should be easy to test if you have two rifles (you all do) and a shot timer (you should get one of these if you care about your shooting performance).
Both transition time and shot to shot split times could be measures of performance that we use to compare the two setups.
GPRS paired with UV made in even taller than 2.262.91 at the center line with a FTC and the fact that a company that makes the alpha TARAC and I believe 4.0 version is now in 1.93 and 2.26 variations that sits in front of your arm deck and it works as a prism to help you with long shots
You can get a cheek weld with a high mount with a cheek riser, I use the larue one on a ctr stock.
My Walker’s are the issue with optic height, I can’t get low enough so need a higher optic mount.
idk if you have one but you had that kit on you specifically at the time of filming, but i would suggest getting a dump pouch on a "tactical belt". makes reloading much easier and faster since you dont have to fiddle around with your rig to get the empty mag in and a new one out
I own one
I don't really do battle belts in conjunction with other kit, it's a lot of weight, loss of mobility etc.
Oh yeah i agree on the fact that you lose mobility but I think that its a fair tradeoff, because you have more tools at your disposal then
@@YoumuEnjoyer I dont think a slightly faster reload, or a dump pouch is worth the trade off.
To each to their own.
@BrassFacts while I agree with your statement, wouldn't you agree that having for ex. An IFAK on your 6, and perhaps even a dump pouch on your 3 is just plain comfortable? There isn't a single type of scenario where you wouldn't need a med kit handy, and since you have your gun on your right, the dump pouch will be easy to reach out to, I've seen guys just line up their magwells with the dump pouch and hitting the mag release. Not trying to have an argument here, just saying
This is perfect timing because I was looking at getting an EXPS 3 and magnifier. Was looking at the unity ftc too because my brother has one
I bought a knock off one to see if I liked the height. I tend to find myself in a weird sizing for most parts where sometimes I would fall in a large fit category, but other times not.
I find it nice when just using a dot and dry firing/mock clearing the house.
On the other hand I also have tried using a larger stock (hight wise like the magpul sls vs a bcm sopmod) so I get a better cheek contact vs chin with a more upright head position.
I think for me the best case use scenario would be strictly as a dot (haven't tried a 1.93 height however for comparison) without a magnifier on something like a 300 blk suppressed home defense. Anything like shtf or longer ranges I want magnification and a 3x magnifier won't cut it if a target is camo'd and/or in cover. So going with a LPVO for that load out.
Good video! I believe that people have different body structure including facial builds to include why this is still a viable option to we the consumers. And let’s not forget that the fast RDS mount has BUIS built within.
Yet another great video. Really good muzzle control. Im gonna have to start using the shoot house more.
Nice Slate Black hand stop 👍🏻👍🏻
I prefer an RMR on top of a TA-31. There’s also ACOGs available with BUIS on top. There’s no magnifier on a pivot to move. There’s reduced potential for interference with your field of view at any distance. Both optics are so reliable, I like to run a different zero for each optic. I run a zero on the ACOG to keep my BDC as relevant as possible. I zero the RMR for anything 100 yards or less. This setup works well for target rich dynamic environments.
I like using mine with a cheek riser and red dot on. I think you pointed out good reasons for why any prism or lpvo should be on a lower 1/3 height or 1.93 at the highest. Then maybe i can throw a red dot on top of that optic and have the best of both heights
After using an ACOG+RMR for years, 2.26" seems quite low.
Honestly though I put a unity combo on my 10" SCAR 4-5 months ago and I fucking love it. The biggest downside for me is shooting prone, you got to push your torso up just enough that it wears on the muscles over extended shooting sessions. I can't imagine doing so with a heavy backpack on.
Also shoutout to DeltaThirtyFour, after watching his zeroing videos I spent hours on Strelok figuring out an optimal 4.26" height over bore zero.
I’m not going to get into my credentials but I have some time behind a lot of different mounts. Height over bore doesn’t really matter when you know the distances you’ll be shooting and can zero to them.
CQB instructors are zeroed to very close range so they can quickly and accurately put rounds in T boxes without changing their point of aim. Same goes for anyone knowing they will be shooting at close quarters. At that range, you usually won’t have a cheek weld anyway.
Another point is that you can get behind the optic while wearing nods so you don’t need IR light/laser further reducing your signature during an op.
If you don’t fall into either category then you shouldn’t get one. I see a lot of wrong justifications around these mounts. Plate presentation is negligible, adjusting point of aim is a nonstarter, peripheral vision is negligible.
My first optic was mounted on the carry handle of the musket I deployed with in 03 (m16a2), was really high but felt comfortable out to 50 ish yards then got a little wonky. For gas mask or any large headgear, it's great but for pure speed and accuracy there's a reason you don't see it in competition. Any product that gets endorsed by retired seals or sf gets way too much hype and these companies are very good at marketing and creating demand. My two cents. Rah.
Alternative perspective: I've messed up my neck through my job, wrestling, and several vehicular collisions...it's genuinely uncomfortable to cram down on most standard height optics for more than a minute or two at a time.
Using one of these super high mounts really alleviates the issue even though I don't use nods (by and large).
I’m actually curious if a sloped rail like for long range on items like this would create more issues or actually fix a lot of HOB issues.
The reason for this is actually based on medical data from a lot of gun fights and injuries.. lower joints force you to bend and roll forward vs standing up straighter.. this has resulted in a lot of high thorax wounds over the top of the plates..
High rise is good when shooting with gasmask as well as with night vision
I wish I could speak from real world experience but hard to plunk down the cash for something like this when you aren’t sure about it. That said, I would think that while the Unity FTC mount would be better than a standard FTS mount for CQB-ie when the magnifier is not in use-I can’t help but think a lower 1/3rd with *no* magnifier would be better than the Unity setup for the same CQB scenario. So maybe the real key is just having a QD magnifier and removing it for CQB (or, put another way, only putting the magnifier on when it’s needed). Right?
Pupper havin' a snooze, and you go and disturb them. They ALMOST had that bird!
Lover the risers and will nevaaaaaah go back to 1.57 mounts