Aftermarket INTERCOOLER - DYNO TESTED! // 10th Gen (2018+) Honda Accord
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- Does the addition of an aftermarket / upgraded INTERCOOLER (whether a PRL intercooler, or Mishimoto intercooler) to our Phearable Stage 3 ECU tune & PRL HVI add any additional horsepower and torque to our 10th Gen Honda Accord project car? Let's find out how much performance the Phearable Stage 3 off the shelf (OTS) ECU base map w/ the PRL High Volume Air Intake (HVI) and a Mishimoto Intercooler makes on our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring project car! Will the upgraded intercooler add a substantial increase in horsepower!?! We put our 10th Gen Honda Accord - a 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring project car on a DYNOJET dyno to find out if PRL and / or Mishimoto performance intercooler delivers as the manufactures claim. We'll routinely dyno test mods on our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring as we continue on our Honda Accord's modification journey - next up, a PRL high volume catted downpipe, PRL Flex Fuel (ethanol) kit, custom ECU tune, you can help decide...
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The next step is to get in that catted downpipe :) Good job as always!
Thank you, Jordan! I think you’re right - it’s time for the downpipe 😉
I’ve been dying to see what the new downpipe is capable of
Me too! It’s been sitting around waiting for too long. 🤨
@@TheLemonFactor why not Catless?
EPA, inspection, environmental, they don’t sell cat less anymore, smell, power difference would be minimal, oh, and I already have the new PRL HV catted downpipe 😉
Have to say I'm surprised. Wasn't expecting much if any gains with it either just some better temps but this is a huge plus. Very happy I found this channel after I bought my Accord. Love what you're doing👍
Thank you! Appreciate your continued support 😀
Same. Only have had my 2.0 for 9 months so watching, and buying, using your data.
@@TheLemonFactor Before doing a downpipe next, perhaps u should repeat this dyno without the PRL HVI to see what difference it would make ??
What do you think the results would be?
@@TheLemonFactor 2hp less. Probably not worth the video lol. My opinion at least
Heck Chad just order a brand new type R engine and drop that into the accord then start all these mods again ! Don’t forget the new ecu as well . Lol great job again .
Thanks, Greg! There’s no end to this madness - but it sure is fun 😁
Dude you are THE MAN!!
Thank you 😊
Thanks!
James! Thank you very much for supporting the channel. Your contribution is helpful and sincerely appreciated.
So for About $2000 you can do a tune, IC and intake and have a 300HP and 350ft/lb. That's impressive. I guess the real question afterward is how does fuel consumption and long term reliability. Would you be able to show us some fuel usuage for the following 8-12 weeks?
If you want to save $400, you can remove the air intake and still be at 300whp with just the Phearable Stage 3 and intercooler 👍.
@@TheLemonFactor right the intake performance was negligible and mostly for the fun noises.
I find that the intercooler provides more noises than the air intake 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor that’s really interesting. I think my plan of saving for an M2 or 911 is better long term. Though these videos and kids are very tempting.
Just add the Phearable Stage 3 and enjoy! I have a 21 Accord 2.0T Touring. I PRL HVI and I have 6 speed upper mount & Hasport lower mount. I have JB4 Map1 stacked on Phearable Stage 3 running E30 blend with 93. Traction is limited to say the least. CAI don't have the bang/buck factor of old. I'm on the fence with DP, but intercooler is a no brainer.
Hey chad, have a question about getting the accord on the dyno, how does it work and how do they do it without messing up? Is there a mode where you go into dyno mode or you just playing simply put it into drive and sport mode? Paddle shifters?
It’s rather complicated, but if you email me, I can respond with the process. You can find my email address on the channel page under “about.
Next try 100% Methanol injection lol
I’ll add it to the list 😉
Ooo after watching this, might have to get the mishimoto IC and get a PRL HVI, didn’t expect 300whp!
Great results! I honestly was surprised to see gains at all. I really thought it would just help with consistency.
I want to thank you again for your videos. I found them so helpful. I was planning on modding my 2.0T, but I had too many issues with the car and decided it was time to sell it cut my losses short. I just picked up my ‘22 Hyundai Elantra N the other day, but I’ll always have a spot in my heart for the 10th Gen Accord!
What issues?
@@randomares infotainment constantly going black and restating, Apple CarPlay disconnecting randomly and not working when trying to use Google maps and iTunes at the same time, two check engine lights after trying to remote start the car on hit days, transmission hunting for gears, and the kicker for my case was my car had done sort of accident at some point despite having a clean CARFAX. But the biggest of all for me was the drivers seat discomfort. For me, not enough front legroom and the bottom cushion was the hardest, most uncomfortable seat I’ve ever experienced.
@169 Design - I’m sorry to hear about all the problems you had with the Honda - I’m sure that was frustrating and disheartening 🙁. What do you think of the Elantra?
@@TheLemonFactor yes it was very disheartening. I did so much research on that car and flew in to buy it. I thought it was going to be my car for the next 5-10 years. I may have just got a lemon, no pun intended lol.
Part of the issue of comfort for me is I’m 6’3”, so enough legroom and seating support are a hard combo to get in anything other than a full size car or SUV. The Accord was just too tight for me. I read they sacrificed front seat legroom for rear legroom. I think the Touring seats are probably leaps and bounds more comfortable than the Sport seats too, so if I had gone with a Touring 2.0T instead I may not have been in the same position, IDK.
I love the Elantra. It’s an entirely different experience driving than that Accord. I heard someone sum it up best comparing it to the Accord 2.0T by saying the Accord is a family sedan that can feel fast, but the Elantra N is a fast car that can feel like a family sedan. It’s just way more dramatic and fun. It’s not nearly as refined as the Accord, but I’m ok with that. In Eco mode it’s decently quiet and a comfortable enough ride. Feels like a regular Elantra I’m sure. But in N mode it really does feel like race car for the street. Almost like a poor man’s M3. It’s an absolute blast. Luckily I found one local selling at MSRP, so I jumped on it.
I haven’t posted a video on my channel since selling my Charger R/T, but I’m thinking about starting to make content again. Maybe a comparison between all three cars since they’re similar in some aspects (4 door sedans) but completely different in others.
That sucks. Sorry it happened to you. Sounds like you’re enjoying the Elantra though 👍
Torque is not at the tires.
HP to the tires torque to the flywheel measure at the tires. That amount of torque at the tires would not move the car? 😅 Real torque at the tires is about 3000
Can you run an upgraded intercooler on stock tune?
Yes you can 👍
@@TheLemonFactor what weather strips did you use?
Chad, I agree with u about elevation and naturally aspirated engines need less octane. However, with boosted engines (turbo/supercharged) a turbo will compensate for altitude and will produce nearly the same hp as at sea level. All that boost making nearly the same hp needs the same octane. It’s the high cylinder pressure that drives octane requirements. There may be some margin built into your 93 octane tune that lets u get by on 91.
Agreed, the timing is definitely retarded on 91, whether that hurts the car or not is up for debate.
@Todd Rey - while turbocharged engine can compensate somewhat by increasing the boost, they still can’t add oxygen to the air. At just about 6,000ft the estimated power loss compared to sea-level is a whopping 20% less!!! With that said, remember that the dyno results are standardized for altitude and other environmental conditions. In actuality I’m seeing ~20% less power 😒
@@TheLemonFactor right on
Awesome! This confirms what my seat of the pants gains i feel with the upgraded IC.
Being that it’s summer here in Colorado I’m thankful to have the intercooler on the car with all the hot weather we’re having 🫠
Sell that prl intercooler yet?
I have - it sold very quickly 👍
Hey Chad! It would be interesting to see if you would get any gains on a stock engine. I recently purchased a 2019 touring 2.0. Only mods I made so far are lightweight Wheels with summer Tires, rear sway bar by progress technology. With the summer Tires I get no wheel spin and the lightweight Wheels reduces inertia and I can feel a difference in power delivery. I would like to try the K tuner but like many I am nervous. I don't go around racing my car but I was playing around with a Chrysler 300C with the Hemi and I was able to slowly pull on him. This guy was driving like an ass and I think he was so pissed that he kept on accelerating probably well over 100 miles an hour towards an intersection. Anyways I wanted to mention this because I think it's impressive for a 2.0 to pull on a 5.7 l Hemi.
Thank you for all your hard work putting these videos together.
Thank you KBF for supporting the channel 👍😁. Lightweight wheels and some good sticky tires is a great upgrade for this car, with all its torque available down low in the RPMs. I’m considering removing the tune to see what power is gained from just the bolt ons 🤔
Your a legend Chad really do appreciate this content!! Especially my accord does
I appreciate that, RR! Just trying to do my part to help out fellow car enthusiasts with their 10th Gen Honda Accord 😃
Good gains! Charge pipes next?
I’m happy with the gains 👍😁. I think the downpipe may be next as I expect additional horsepower gains from it as opposed to the charge pipes.
What do you think about the upgraded charge pipe that goes along with the inter cooler.
I think they’re rather expensive for what they are 🤷♂️. I’m not saying there isn’t any benefits to be gained, but I doubt that there’s much from the performance side. With that said, I have considered testing them 🤔
I truly hope you do. The PRL kit has less bends then OEM and is 1” bigger. So they claim they have way better airflow. Would love to find out.
What mods did you have on the accord during the make of this video? Was everything stock but the intercooler?
Checkout the video at around 3:18 as it indicates 👍
There’s no white sticker to the left of the ecu in my 2.0. I took out air filter but don’t see any serials. Any other way to get my ecu number ?
This may help...www.phearable.net/information/tech-area/10thgencivicaccordecupartnumberlocate.html
Im waiting if theres with dyno for both Mishimoto intake and intercooler mishimoto intake
I do have a video in which I dyno test the Mishimoto air intake - check it out 👍
@@TheLemonFactor i mean you did dyno tested with intercooler mishimoto and PRL air intake. If you did the Prl and mishimoto why not too match this product of mishimoto of mishimoto product and PRL of PRL lets see how much it gains.
The Mishimoto air intake performed the same, maybe slightly better than the PRL HVI on the dyno, as such I wouldn’t expect a difference - chances are you’d have the same outcome with the Mishimoto air intake as we’re seeing here either the PRL.
Hey chad thanks for all you do for us 10th gen accord owner’s 🙌🏽
What tire setup you running and look into hasport mounts for the engine & trans, you will be happy with the results
I'm glad to help the 10th Gen Honda Accord community! Currently, I'm not running anything special when it comes to tire setup. I replaced the OEM tires with another all-season, the PureContact LS in stock size. They're a step-up from the OEM, but certainly not sufficient for our added power. I plan to upgrade the rims and tires in the near future.
Hey I got a 1.5t month or so ago and I was considering getting a intercooler on top of a short ram intake. Do you think the intercooler would be worth it or is it better just staying with the stock one?
I think the Intercooler would be worth it 👍
Now that’s what I’m talking about!!! Good job man!!! Thank you for all your hard work!!
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I was so happy with this video watch it again! Love the results! For a family sedan!
Wow, you must have liked the results 👍. The more time I spend with this car, the more impressed I am by it 😎
I know what u mean I’m the same way I’m glad u got rid of the other car so u can focus more on the accord!! Can’t wait for more videos that u make!!
I’m super glad to hear that you’re enjoying the videos 👍. I have many more on the way 😉
What would happen if I had a drop in PRL airline filter with intercooler and no tune or maybe just stage 2 ktuner? Would it run good and cooler without a tune?
You can use an upgraded intercooler and air intake on the stock tune 👍
Love it for taking my ideas! Now I think you should do the stage 4 + flex fuel kit for this build then i'd say go ahead and get a custom tune after testing all the off the shelf tunes.
I’m sure we’ll get to the Flex Fuel, but let’s see what a higher flowing downpipe can do first 🤔
@@TheLemonFactor Definitely excited to see the results of the catted downpipe!
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Any IAT logs to compare? How close were runs? All 4 pulls were dead even on hp and super close on tq. Consistent performance is intercoolers main job. Extra hp/tq is a nice bonus.
I do have data logs from most all of our dyno days, street testing, and such. This intercooler is definitely keeping things cool, AND is able to recover much quicker from heat soak than stock.
@@TheLemonFactor That's exactly what intercoolers provides. Glad to hear!
you should try getting the rv6 catted downpipe, or the prl catless downpipe. sure it’ll give u big hp gains and sounds good too 👌🏾
Or the PRL catted downpipe 🤔. How much do you think we’ll gain by adding a high flow catted downpipe?
Hey Chad, just installed my Function Werk catback sport exhaust system. For an intercooler is there any other mods I need before buying it or is it fine alone? I have 2022 Honda accord Sport 2.0t
How do you like the new exhaust? You don’t need any other supporting modifications in order to install and get the benefits from a more efficient Intercooler 👍
@@TheLemonFactor love the exhaust! Has a great deep tone and it’s not annoyingly loud like Borla haha
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Wonder how much it would Make running flex fuel 🤔
Give it a little bit of time and we’ll soon find out 😉. How much do you think we’ll gain from Flex Fuel?
Chad thanks for another informative vid! I just put my PRL ic and wish I would’ve thought to do some tests or ran some logs with Ktuner before install. Not sure what my temps were before putting it on.
How did your install go? Do you notice any difference?
@@TheLemonFactor the install went smooth mainly bc my friend is a mechanic as for notice anything…not really. I am hoping the HV down pipe will make a noticeable difference. Thanks again bro!
As always, my pleasure! Thank you for supporting 😉👍…. And let’s see what we can get from the downpipe 🤔
All the Accord 2.0t 2018-2019 are cvt?
10 speed torque converter automatic. CVT is on the 1.5T Accord.
Do you think 93 octane would see higher numbers on the dyno? If so how much?
The delta / gains will be relatively the same. The absolute numbers may be a little higher.
@@TheLemonFactor thanks chad, awesome video on the Michelin pilot sport 4s, very handy!
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Great job man! Keep up the good work!
Thank you, Alberto! What would you like to see in a future video?
Upgraded head unit would be nice if possible.
Interesting 🤔
Besides the Full Race, Wagner or C&R intercoolers which will all run you well over $1000, The Mishimoto is the way to go for the 10th gen platform. They did it right when it comes to size. The Mishimoto, Perrin and PRL are all great options but the Mishimoto beats them all by a little bit when it comes to readily available popular brands. I wouldn't tell anyone to buy their intake lol but the intercooler was done right
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Hi why would you not tell anyone ti but the intake just cuz in stuck between the mishimoto and prl
@@1jeffcanes, The newer race version with the plastic Box and inlet pipe is good. Their original one had terrible heat soak problems. That's the one I was talking about for the FK8. For the Si the PRL cobra or 27Won would be my choice
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Does the upgraded piping from prl work with the mishimoto intercooler?
Chad - please define “heat soak “. Thank you
Keeping it simple, and in relation to the intercooler videos... "Heat Soak" is when the intercooler can't keep up with the cooling demands placed on it. Whether from your environment (high air temperature), your level of boost (you've increased boost levels), or you're placing a high demand on the intercooler (repeated WOT runs, followed by the car sitting with no air flowing over the intercooler), all will tax the intercooler to a point where it's unable to effectively cool the charged air. If it's bad enough where the air going to your engine is too hot, you may experience detonation, or at least reduced engine power output. Hope this helps.
@@TheLemonFactor - thank you, Chad!
I been confused about my IAT readings on my car. When I am observing, can someone Please tell me IAT2 is pre IC and IAT is post IC? am I Correct? from Ktuner
I believe IAT is pre, “at the intake”, and IAT2 is post.
Can I run ktuner with all stock parts ?
Yes, you can use the KTuner on an otherwise stock car 👍
@@TheLemonFactor do u have a video showing gains for just that ?
Yes, I have several checkout the channel page for all the videos 😁👍
Awesome Chad. Your car is making some good Power!
I'm getting my PRL intercooler put in at King Motorsports. I just don't have the time to tackle that. They told me they would not suggest even doing a downpipe or front pipe cuz it's not going to make really any power. They're a pretty reputable tuner shop here in Wisconsin. However I would like to see if that's true and then obviously check it out on the dyno what are your thoughts about that?
Well, that’s what we’re all about - let’s see what a downpipe really can do🤷♂️😁
@@TheLemonFactor oh by the way someone from PRL told me with the front pipe and downpipe combo you get about 15 horsepower
15 WHP would be great! I’d be happy with 7-9 WHP from the downpipe - anything less would make the ROI questionable, at least for me. 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor I'm with u on that one. Ever since PRL said ,what 30hp for the high volume intake, then u proved that to be a myth, I don't really trust their numbers
In my experience all manufacturers over inflate their performance claims, it’s trying to find out to what degree that can be the hard part - just trying to help out fellow enthusiasts to make an informed decision on the purchase of their mods 😃👍
I for sure as hell didnt expect these gains nd appreciate u for doing it with the phearable stage 3!!!! Btw how much difference do u think would be in the whp at sea lvl or close to it with this same exact tune on the same setup. Im running phearable stage 3 93 tune and running 93 with it at sea level so does tht mean im pushing 310whp?!
All the dyno results are standardized for altitude, so you should see similar results if you’re at sea-level. In reality, I’m getting less horsepower due to the high altitude 😒
@@TheLemonFactor ohh thats bett, appreciate it brotha😭still not bad. Id say a downpipe nd it should be around 315whp
Nd that sucks brotha😭hopefully its not too big of a difference
Unfortunately it’s noticeable 🙁
@@TheLemonFactor damn sorry to hear tht😭cant be me tho🤣jkjk
try the prl intercooler next
I wouldn’t expect much of a difference between the two - but based on volume, the Mishimoto does ever so slightly edge out the PRL. 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor so ill be going for the minshimoto then
Great work!
Thank you, Tony! 👍😁
Thanks!
😊 thank you once again for being there for the channel. People like to make it worthwhile 😃
@@TheLemonFactor your welcome
You NEED to do the air solenoid bypass. I can hear it
Explain to me what you think you’re hearing, and why there is a need to bypass the air selenoid?
@@TheLemonFactor the flutter when you go WOT. It'll mess with your full boost until you bypass it. I thought I never had a problem with it, until I was able to see my vacuum reference when going Methanol.
And you would see this in data logs as??? Boost dropping off?
@@TheLemonFactor I haven't looked at that in my logs since I seen it in my boost reference but you you should definitely see it in the logs. You can see Dan Villa video, he has 2 videos going into detail. First video he replaced it, second video he bypassed it.
Based on views of multiple logs, including on the dyno, street and at the track, the logs do not show any abrupt drop off in boost 🤷♂️
Is it possible to run intake and intercooler without a tune? Wonder what the gains would be, everything else stock
Yes, you can run an intake and intercooler without having a tune. I will most likely revert back to the stock tune to see what the gains are at some point in the near future 👍
@@TheLemonFactor that is awesome, would love to see that video once it's out!
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WOW results and release on a Friday! Also, I liked the flags at the beginning of the video. Keep it up.
Early release due to Independence Day holiday weekend 💥 😁. Still unpacking from the move - I’ve been meaning to put my flags up for some time 👍
If you run lemons on the intercooler it gives you 10+hp
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