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- This video discusses grappling techniques of the Werhmacht and Wafer SS training during the Second World War.
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Should rename this video "Swiss Army Hand-to-Hand Combat Training".
il doit pas confondre l'armée suisse avec l'armée allemande dans sa vidéo
Correct; "deutsche Gruendlichkeit".
0:26 Sorry to tell you, but those are not German Wehrmacht uniforms. Those are Swiss army.
He told that
@@domagoj4843 Oh he did?.... Did he now!
@@tatumergo3931 Yes, he did.
@@panza. . Indeed he did, after careful reviewing it is correct and my mistake.
I appreciate Chadi’s maturity and professionalism of discussing the Germans without the obligatory backstory of bad mustache man and his Army did bad things
History is written by the Victors! Regardless of political ideologies of the time and atrocities committed by all sides involved, specifically those of the Soviet army. The German Wehrmacht was a professional military force.
@@tatumergo3931 Both armys raped innocent girls.
well he talks about Judo and Jujitsu, created by other mustache men in Japan all day :)))
He didn't
@@oneguy7202 who didn’t do what
German jujitsu is unrecognized, but it's the same as combat sambo. Chadi, you should do a documentary on German jujutsu and how it has influenced combat jujutsu. Combat jujutsu is widely practiced in the former Soviet republics.
Jujitsu is not from Germany it’s from Japan
I don’t know anything about German jiu-jitsu, but Soviet combat sambo was formed in its own way, independently of Germany. This happened in the 30s of the 20th century. In addition to judo and jiu-jitsu, combat sambo included English boxing, French savate, bayonet fighting, as well as techniques and tricks of the criminal world.
@@vladislavandreev7257 Combat sambo held its first event in1991. German jujutsu started from the 1960s. Combat jujutsu is relatively new, but it is prevalent. Even in the 1980s American sport jujutsu held many MMA type events. It has been overshadowed because of BJJ and no gi grappling
@@AlbertoPerez-zu6wg Yes you're correct. But German jujutsu is an offspring of JJJ. Kinda like Brazilian jiujitsu
@@moefinesse9878 I did not mean a sports discipline called “combat sambo”, but an exclusively applied one, which was created even before the Second World War to train employees of state security agencies and illegal intelligence of the USSR.
Hey Chadi, fyi, skiing was one of the vital skills for Finnish army. That is one of the reasons theywere able fight so well against Russia in WW2, because they could move their forces faster than Russians.
The Fins also invented winter camouflage and Molotov cocktails
@@SoldierDrew. Ofcourse, the cocktail was the one that they were going to serve, foreign Soviet premier minister Vyacheslav Molotov.
Die Finnen, waren und sind in ihrem Land eine schwere Armee mit sehr großem Willen und mit viel Rückhalt in der Bevölkerung!!!!!
after all, the Finns are not such powerful warriors. part of all its victories is just propaganda and this propaganda at that time was easy to spread because Finland was supported by the entire Western Europe. Undoubtedly, the Finnish army had victories because units of the Red Army had to advance along narrow forest roads, because of this the column was very stretched on the march and the Finnish units cut these columns into several parts, and spent these parts of the column surrounded. all this was only partially successful since the Finns, lacking heavy weapons, could not create a dense encirclement ring and also could not destroy the encircled units
@@SoldierDrew This cocktail was not invented for a good life. They had very little anti-tank artillery, and they quickly lost it. in the museum of St. Petersburg I saw a Finnish brochure on fighting tanks, where Finnish soldiers were recommended to use a log; it was necessary to insert a log between the drive wheel and the tank track
Great video Chadi on the subject of Wermacht and Waffen SS martial training, and Swiss hand to hand combat practice was a plus. God bless you and your video!
The position at 6:15 with both men holding eachothers collars is very similar to variant old Swedish (read Nordic) fol wrestling called "Kragkast" or "Kragtag" meaning "collar throw/grab". It basically had the same rules as Iceladic Glima (many nordic folkwrestling variats seems to) or Scottish Highland and Gutnish "Back grab"; just with another starting position. But I bet there were some local variants to the rules as well.
Nice footage you found. I made a comment on the subject under one of your videos you posted on the training by UK an US troops, and was immediately accused of being a Nazi. I hope you won't have to suffer the same backlash. I actually found an online manual on the training for German troops, but I just cannot find it anymore, and translating the content was troublesome, since my German is on a tourist level, at best.
What surprised me apart from Boxing and Wrestling being encouraged during training, I remember that the official other art being promoted was Judo! They just didn't have enough competent trainers available, and the once who where, was designated to special Waffen-SS units. Perhaps you already have that manual, judging by the image you showed. Hard to tell if it is the same. Researching different military units hand-to-hand training, certainly doesn't mean you have to sympathize with the system they were fighting for.
This is more of a personal opinion but I guess that German CQC (and for most armies in Europe) at WW2 was also influenced from trench warfare from WW1.
Those people are immature and should look at the history of those that they are supporting. The two sides are remarkably similar.
And I agree. You can appreciate the good parts of anything bad and reject the bad of anything good.
We are surrounded by people like that these days.
Very interesting. To my knowledge most of this kind of documentation of their training was either "lost" (A lot of it was captured by the USSR and "vanished") or destroyed towards the end of the war.
The helmets are clearly swiss .
@@brittakriep2938 Yes. I also listened to the clip. I just seem to have listened to it closer than you did.
In 1906, the first JiuJitsu school in Germany was founded by Erich Rahn 10. Dan . He wandered all over challenging thugs or criminals in every bar or public place.Also every challenge, from well-known wrestlers and boxers. So his schools became famous and grew in every city. German "JuJutsu" later developed from this. Police, Wehrmacht and even postmen were trained in it by German authorities. In 1922 the first German Jiu-Jitsu championship took place in the Berlin Sports Palace. After WW2, it was even completely banned in Germany by the Allied occupying powers. In the 1950s it was allowed to train this fighting system again.1924 Jiu Jitsu Knife Defence Berlin /watch?v=8yioL9e_gHs
Always interesting to see how different cultures and countries addressed melee combat.
It's just a shame to think how much history we've lost over time and will never see, at least today we can record and store more, for better or worse. Thankfully we still have medieval fight books and videos such as these to help us fill in the gaps to some extent.
What's interesting (to me at least) is although styles, attitudes and arms/armour may change the human body has remained much the same and any strikes or grappling we see today may be something used centuries ago and vice versa.
Tomoe Nage. Had a fellow student that just couldn't remember the Japanese name. I said as a mnemonic "Put your toes in Moe's Nagies". Still use it when explaining the throw. Great video as always.
I believe the soldiers who were practicing throws are Swiss, the shape of their helmet, similar too the German's helmets, but slightly different. However, while looking up manuals on the Naval Military Press LTD website they had a manual that was supposed to teach the Germans (it's in German apparently) on how to fight off the "British gangster methods" of attack. The British certainly had more intense lessons in unarmed combat, and the existence of this manual hints the Germans understood and attempted to train against such methods. To be honest I haven't seen this manual, I just became aware of it looking at the website, but apparently the Germans were more aware of it than we give them credit for.
They are Swiss
"British gangster methods" relied on the premise of pulling out a knife to a close quarters scenario, so it's not unarmed combat whatsoever.
No one wins a knife fight. That's why the Germans solved the issue with a gun.
Sei un vero cultore della storia marziale ... Sarebbe interessante un video sull'esercito italiano di allora
When I was a kid, the wrestling while on your team mates shoulders was call "Camel Fights." Good rough and tumble fun that usually ended up in scrapes, bruises, and torn clothes. But that was back in the day when all that was just part of life.
You should try taking a look at historical German wrestling techniques like Ringen. It's got a LOT of similarities with Judo, which makes sense, as it was kind of formed for similar reasons.
Any chance on finding anything on what Italy or Finland used during the war?
My granfather used small knife in the trences in hand to hand combat situations... maybe knife fighting has been something taught or already learned skill?
I've seen a video on Finnish hand-to-hand techniques from the time period, but I can't recall where.
Maybe not everyone knows, but in the late Middle Ages and the Renaissance, a number of hand-to-hand combat methods called Ringen or Kampfringen were practiced in Germany. Numerous manuscripts by various masters have been preserved, some of them illustrated. It's a very interesting topic, although currently completely overshadowed by martial arts from Asia. The defense techniques shown here are reminiscent not only of the Japanese but also of medieval European ones.
It might be easier to find manuals than surviving films. There's a decent tradition of German "jiu jitsu" texts that might have had sway with the military and I've seen the cover of one German manual on e-tool fighting (unfortunately, don't remember the title) from WWII.
If you want to further explore the Axis side of things, the Italian Arditi units of WWI had a few hand to hand and knife manuals associated with them. I believe Frederico Malagutti (HEMA tuber) has some of them but he never made a video on the material since it's not what his core audience is about.
There is a book, which has been translated into English, which was WW2 German book of counters in response to English WW2 Combatives, it appears they got hold of a copy of a Fairbairn text. The title translates as Defence Against British Gangster Methods: Silent killing. You can get copies from the Naval and Military Press, online....
There was also a military fieldcraft manual with a brief syllabus for hand to hand combat instruction. Title is Winke für Jagdeinheiten (hints for guerrilla units). There's an English edition titled SS Werewolf Combat Instruction Manual. The syllabus isn't instruction, but just one chapter listing what the soldier needs to be taught, like dagger usage and escapes from body locks.
I've seen evidence of there being an extensive German manual on fighting with an entrenching tool but I don't know the title.
There's a decent publishing history of "jiu jitsu" manuals in German also but I'm unsure of how much they correspond to its adoption by the Germans in WWII.
Thank you Chadi!
I don't think those are German Wehrmacht hand-to-hand combat training videos. Those helmets don't look like the German Stahlhelm. They look more like the Swiss M18 helmet. Same with the bayonets, they handguard and hilt look more like from a Schmidt-Rubin or K31 bayonets, rather than a Kar98k's. The epaulettes also look more Swiss than German.
Don’t forget their shoes are not German boots, called Knobelbecher!
As you mentioned, I think most of the film is of Swiss soldiers. The Nazis referred to Fairbairn Sykes British fighting techniques as "Gangster methods" and issued a very poor pamphlet and training film in response which mostly rehashed old WW1 techniques. Maybe they thought that "supermen" didn't need such training!
You just making up stuff is crazy
He's not though, the pamphlet was called "Abwehr Englischer Gangster Methoden", though I havent judged its quality myself.
@@slavicvolk But he isn't making it up though, its fact
British did fought like gangsters though... and cowards.
You're just a highly suggestible person who takes low brow propaganda at face value.
Those are swiss army soldiers, no germans. The helmet is larger and the uniform is different
Well, the swiss-germans are still germans.
They seems to be the old traditionnal original jujutsu japanase the style of this nazi soldiers !
It is funny to see this video more interesting than the video with japanase army training the last time.
I see more the Jujutsu Traditionnal Origins in this content, it is good for my project. Thanks Chadi ❤
Like you say, the footage is from the Swiss Army. The Wehrmacht put effort into athletic soldiers, the Waffen SS even more. Based on the Sturmtrupp experience from WW1. Germany back then had already a high urbanisation rate, so the Arbeitsdienst (Labour Service) prepared a lot of young men already for the physical training. Memoirs and reports said that close combat was to avoid, and that the Russians where of stronger build. Because they are more farmers then the Germans. So close combat always got brutal and nasty. Never did I read about special training of close combat, I'm sure it exist but doctrine was always the supportive arms warfware.
If I remember correctly, in the 1943 edition of Kill or Get Killed by Col. Rex Applegate, Applegate also stated that the Germans were relatively timid about close combat. But I could be thinking of another instructor. The overall perception was that Germans didn't seem as interested in close combat as the Americans and British, although if you looked hard enough, there were published materials on unarmed, knife and entrenching tool combat similar to those of other armies, so at least someone had to have been training that stuff.
@@uexkeru If you have to do close combat, something went wrong. There was some training for sure and enough close combat at the eastern front, also experience from the trenches in WW1. Movement and combination of arms was more the doctrine and focus.
If you look at the close combat award (Nahkampfspange) it's given out not on a big scale compared to the number of soldiers.
@@Germanator "If you have to do close combat, something went wrong." - Exactly.
Hi Chadi.........
You might want to check the Italian Arditi unit from WW1 who went into the trenches fighting with just a knife, hand grenades, and Ju-Jitsu skills....
The unit was taught Ju-Jitsu by Harukichi Shimoi......
Stay safe
Best regards to you and your family.
Stefano (UK).
It makes sense Italy and Japan were allies so it stands to reason some Italian soldiers were Japanese trained
Prior to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, judo had already been introduced throughout the major countries of the world.
There are several photos of Jigoro Kano teaching the Germans judo team, which was composed of many German military officers.
There's even one of Kano in civilian clothes demonstrating a technique against a German officer in uniform.
@@GlenRoss-ug5jm . Although is very possible and probable, the Germans and Italians already had a tradition of European martial arts tradition dating to the Middle Ages. Of course different variations of Bartitsu already existed throughout Europe.
More than likely it was the Europeans who taught the japanese modern combat practices. Which the japanese took and modified them to their own cultural forms.
For example modern karate-do is believed to have been adapted to a japanese version of French kickboxing and old English boxing. Many today would not believe that old English boxing resemble more karate today, than modern-day boxing.
We can see the same examples for judo, in Italian Fiore's Abrazare and German Talhoffer Ringen.
@@tatumergo3931
Old English bare knuckle boxing had many techniques including vertical punches from both the lead and rear hands, back fist, and hammer fist etc, combined with wrestling moves, however this all changed in around 1837 with the introduction of "Queensbury rules" and gloves.
Old English boxers were still using vertical fist punches with gloves, but it was then found that by rotating the fist on impact to horizontal this would inflict more damage and wounds, so the trend continued even to this day........
@@stefanobio7045. Yes, I know I subscribe to English martial arts channel, besides others...you know HEMA channels.
So interesting, I always wanted to know what these guys used to train. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Chadi, Thanks for this video. Do you have any links to the original Swiss army video?
There were quite a few German judo champs during the 1933 to 1945 period in Germany if I remember correctly
Are you sure the scene at about 2:18 depicts a bare-hand vs shovel fight? I'm not sure but I think that is a fake hatchet used for training.
OR could be a shovel of a very peculiar kind I don't know. In that case, my bad ^^
There might be some footage out there, but what there is out there are plenty of pictures of German Wehrmacht officers and unter-officiers during judo training in the presence of Jigoro Kano.
The basis of special physical training in the European armies of the early 20th century is primarily gymnastics and fencing, the basis of combat training is Ju-Jutsu.A good example is the training program of the Brandenburg-800 division, in which Ju-Jutsu was chosen as a martial art.
Swiss uniform and helmet. I guess its a movie on the Swiss _Grenadier_ the elite troop created in 1943
There wasn't any H2H-Combat-Training in the Wehrmacht due to the experience in the Great War (WW I). My grandfather told me that in his training as an infantry officer cadet in the Wehrmacht Boxing, Fencing and Horse Riding were mandatory - but only for cadets. "Close Combat" in the Wehrmacht (and Waffen-SS) = Rifle + Grenade! The pictures of the soldiers training several sports were taken in Sonthofen at the SS-Junkerschule during SS-Officer-Cadet-Training.
Never mind the martial arts side of things, it was so interesting to see (1:34) the high jump being attempted before the advent of the "Fosbury Flop".
Hitler said that "Boxing and JiuJitsu are more important than any half done and useless shooting training" The role of martial arts was more in the pre-military education. Boxing was a mandatory subject in all schools. The general belive in the armed forces was that close combat was usually decided with the bajonett, not with fists.
I would take a short handled shovel over any other hand weapon, and considering how useful it is outside of combat?
I think the shovel is underrated and overlooked
Wooden training weapons. Swiss?
I have an interest in training weapons, Police batons etc. and Hojo Undo equipment myself.
Thats very interesting.
I know that my grandfather was sport and selfdefence instructor in the KNIL ( Royal Netherlands-Indonesian Army).
Most of the military were people from mixed race (indo) and many moluccan people, fearless brave fighters, very well with the sharp klewang.
My grandfather used western boxing, that i know for sure, because i still have the very old boxing manual from him.
The helmets and uniforms on the soldiers during the shovel fighting look to be Swiss, not German. I couldn't get a good look at the boots, but they also don't look like the pull on style jackboots.
The Helmets are definitely not the old German style, but Swiss.
He mentions that
It is really hard to find anything on this subject. But, that being said. And this is not known to many people. But it is a fact. Between the 1 and 2 World war. A large nunber of german offisers went to Russland to train the Russland special forces soldiers. And the russisn special forces(spetznas as they are called these days) still train a lot of the same stuff to this day. Including fighting with the shovel.
At 3:18, it's literally a shoulder throw not a tai otoshi. You can literally see the guy doing the throw doing it over his shoulder by holding the other guy's arm with both of his arms.
This is almost all Swiss Army, not Wehrmacht or SS.
so is everything Judo? always has been.
*wrestling
@@Berengier817 everything is wrestling. Wait is there a specific difference between wrestling and grappling?
No Ju-Jitsu before judo........
jujutsu is the parenthood of judo. This is stated in Kodokan judo, written by the founder Jigoro Kano.
Kampringen,which is German wrestling,there's a video about it,watch it,it's effective for a streetfight.
Kann ich mir nicht vorstellen, dass vor 80 Jahren Kampftechniken des heutigen MMA in einer Armee trainiert wurden...
Это отголоски наследия 19го века.Когда рукопашный бой был далеко не редким явлением и стрелковое вооружение не было столь интенсивным и функциональным, была заявка времени такая. Ближе к середине 20го столетия важнее становилось иное. И чем дальше тем более менялась повестка времени и задачи для пехотинца. Большее количество средств вооружения которые надо было знать, меньше работы холодным оружием больше огнестрельным. Для пехотинца становится важнее копать,ползать, слушать, нарабатывать тех методы перезарядки и обслуживания более сложного оружия . Ещё ранее в 18веке солдат вобще на штык и саблю рассчитывал больше чем на пулю своего мушкета, так как долгий процесс перезарядки и низкое качество огня и дистанция так себе. В 20м веке появились отдельные спецподразделения для узконаправленных задач, а когда о каждый пехотинец универсален. Сейчас даже передвижение по пластунски навык уходящий в прошлое, ещё октуальный но уже не на столько что раньше, маскировка и та от тепловизора не спасает. Во главе угла скорость обнаружения и максимально быстрое поражение доступными огневыми средствами.
yes footage of soldier is likely swiss army, helmet looks like german Wermacht one but is wider as the swiss army helmet was
I obtained a copy of Abwehr Englischer Gangster-Methoden. Stilles Töten or Defense Against British Gangster Methods: Silent Killing with full English translation. Naval and Military Press. It is basically as was preciously discussed. In fact, many of the defensive moves seem more out of a Three Stooges Movie than a realistic manual. It was a suggested 10 hour course. Well worth obtaining and reading!!
Это не классический прием джиу джитсу. По классике нога именно упирается в нижнюю часть живота, а опрокидывание назад делается максимально в ближней области противника. И есно никакого переворота в выгодную позицию нет, просто ногой отбрасываете противника.
The first pics are about the swiss army , you can recognize the m18 steel helmets of the swiss
У европейцев были свои приемы рукопашного боя, они появились до влияния джиу-джитсу и дзюдо, но принцип был тот же
I think some of these soldiers are not from Germany - they are from Italy (under Mussolinis dominion)...
That a good question re: martial arts.
Did anyone use / train them during ww2?
Even if some aspects were used, were they coming from martial arts or they were just "home invented".
I'd like to know that.
That was Swiss infantry in the beginning. The helmet sort of looks similar but not really
The SS was not part of the German military at all. They were a part of the NSDAP which was founded during the time before the election of Adolf Hitler as Chancellor and were meant to protect the higher ups at NSDAP meetings, hence their name Schutz Staffel, or shield staff, or protection staff (depends how you translate it). I don't know whether or not the SS selected their men from the NSDAP's main paramilitary force, the SA Sturm Abteilung, or Storm Detachment, but they too were not military units and were instead party paramilitary members.
Because of this, Waffen SS (English: weaponized/armed protection/shield staff, apologies but the German doesn't translate the easiest) had to procure it's weapons separately from the German Heer (armed forces) and so similarly to how their weapons acquisition was kind of a mess, you aren't likely to find a unified combatives plan for the Waffen SS or SS Allgemeine, a modern comparison in an American context would be like searching for an Antifa or Skinhead combatives system.
If you want to see a specific program of combatives from the Third Reich, you should search through the branches of the Heer: the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine.
The shovel attack defense at 3:18 looks like a Ippon Seio Nge.
Those are Swiss soldiers.
My grandpa told me, that they practised boxing in the Wehrmacht.
Funny, because much more time was spent on hand-to-hand combat training by even a Polish soldier even before the outbreak of the Second World War. The Polish lancer, for example, trained much more often in hand-to-hand combat than the average infantry soldier. In the defensive war of September 1939, the Germans were reluctant to engage in hand-to-hand combat against Polish soldiers and were particularly afraid of the Polish cavalry, because what the German army dominated in was modern tactics and an armoured base supported by precision aviation.
You would think the very distinctive helmets would give the video footage away as being of Swiss army troops training.
That's no german soldiers,the helmet looks like Swiss Army
Well done Chadi, however, something not right about the uniforms, maybe mock ups for the film?
You show the Swiss, but you talk about the Germans. Is it difficult to make a clipping from a German newsreel where German soldiers are trained? It is there, and Google will help you.
notice how many times the Defender HAS a knife but doesn't draw it, or use it; only The Attacker 'can' use a knife. this has been the prevailing attitude, everywhere for 200-250 yrs now. why?
Some of these pictures are from the SS Junkerschule Bad Toelz Bavaria Germany.
After 1945 US Green berets took over the baracks and use it until the 90ies.
Hey Chadi very interesting indeed. Not much out there about Axis hand to hand combat. Yes you were right the the Waffen SS were the elite of the Third Reich. They were the armed wing of the Nazis party. They were not part of the army. They were given the best equipment and a lot of the men who made up the early recruited divisions were very motivated. The SS made their pledge to Hitler not the country like the other parts of the armed forces. I must make a correction, it is a common error to call the army , the Wehrmacht. The army was called the Heer in German. The Wehrmacht refers to all the armed forces. So that would be the army, navy and air force. Also the footage of the army soldiers practicing may actually be Swiss soldiers from the same period. This film has been mislabeled. I think because of the distinctive helmets which look very much like the German helmets, but they are off. The part that goes over the ears etc. is too long. I know jujitsu was practiced by a lot of folk during this period. Kurt Panzer Meyer head of the 12th SS Hitler Youth was a practitioner. Not sure he every used it in battle because he was a tanker. Also my good man I really like that you take things from old film and show nice clear modern examples of the technique being used. Keep on keeping on.
Here's a video of an SS training, of one putting another in a clasical armbar. th-cam.com/video/oJ6iog8XYBk/w-d-xo.html . Hitler in MeinKampf demanded his SA train in both BOXING and Juijitsu, specified. You can't go wrong with a MA platform like that. The reason you don't see to much hand to hand in the SS, is because the war was cuttting down men and they needed to be replaced. And the trainingg had to quick to get in the front. If the SS remained to this day, you would be terribly impresssed...
It's says the video is private.
@@maxpower8439 It wasn't when I posted it. I'll see what I can do.
The Waffen pronounced "Vaffen SS" were political soldiers apart of Hitlers private army, they weren't the highest regarded combat veterans that was actually more of a badge of honor for specialized professions throughout all services like for instance paratrooper:Fallschirmjager or Combat Engineer:Pioneer. Certain Brigades were given distinctions but because of socialist circulation doctrine maintaining guard units combat effectiveness was reduced because of the lacking manpower in USSR and Third Reich. In social terms it was the higher office because if you wanted to serve in the German civil service you would need to serve the party first then be shortlisted for a position within the party.
You havent had made a video about Erich Rahn yet! In all the military footage here they wear a swiss army helmet. So its not german SS or Wehrmacht.
Seems like the Germans did not value unarmed combat compared to other forms of training.
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I think after there helmets is more swiss!
The Germans did not have the best hand to hand combat program. But then, they preferred to use guns.
And ironically, for all their vaunted Jujutsu, even the Japanese hand to hand program was inferior.
The athletics training of the Waffen SS was probably better for instilling confidence... Which they had in spades.
The American and British hand to hand combat systems developed by OSS and SOE were superior... but then, they were actually getting into hand fights... for keeps... and learned the hard way what worked.
And the American Marine and Army hand to hand combat was superior to the German and Japanese as well.
He showed Swiss Army!
1:45 the ss was looked up to by some but mainly low rank wehrmacht saw then as ns fanatics
Snake, try to remembee some of the basics of CQC
Looks like Soviet training was better...
Interesting
The SS during the short time they actually were ethnic Germans and not a hodge-podge of Cossacks, Georgians, Bosnian Muslims, and just about any other deserters they could find.
Those aren't German troops those are Swiss soldiers. You can tell from the helmets and boots.
Yes, they had contact with the Japanese and elements of martial arts were taught here and there, but it was not widespread. At most, some elite soldiers were trained in boxing and wrestling, but that was not the case for the majority of the military. The sad truth is that many Germans were inferior to the Russian forces when it came to hand-to-hand combat. However, they were more effective because they used bayonets, spades or pistols. However, I do not think that the video recordings are from World War II. They are not Germans.
It is correct that many German soldiers had not much formal hand-to-hand combat training but that didn't made them inferior to Russian forces. This was because most german kids were beaten by their teachers and parents and in this violence culture it was a normal thing that the children and people in general practised dirty street fighting from an early age on. Some Hitler Youth Boys double smashed the head of my grandfather when he was just a little kid. (He had two holes in his skull.) This was quite a normal thing for them to do. Nobody of them was punished for it. My Grandmother had several occasions where she gave soldiers and other men a knee to their balls or an elbow to their neck when they tried to rape her. Her father and other relatives taught her these and other techniques a long time before the war. Her father also punched one of her teachers in school because to he wanted to be the only one to punish her. There were no negative consequences for him, and nobody cared if adult men had a dispute and solved it with their fists.
I heard story from soldiers who bit and killed Russian soldiers in the neck like wild animals. So yeah, like you said with bayonets, spades and basic street fighting experience they could compete with forces, that were even better trained in this subject.
Do Line fighting, it was a marine corp martial art it's on youtube.
Bro sees a hatchet - calls it a shovel XD
Telling about german military infight combat but showing swiss soldiers is like telling about how to teach a dog but showing cats making exercises. 😊
Das sind Schweizer
Wer hats erfunden?
Those helmets don't look like the ones in WW2
Of course not, because this footage is of the Swiss army, not the German one!
@tatumergo3931 Well, the title is referring to the SS which is a WW2 reference
They look swiss!
@@killerkraut9179 . The Swiss style helmet at one time was even considered for adoption by the US army. But then Germany started to rearm itself and a different choice was made.
They are Swiss army is from the 60's chadi boy
Germany had some ju-jutsu taught to their soldiers. It was no japanese, but the name came from there.
Wrong! Google Erich Rahn!
What a joke , they are Swiss , not German, initial clips .
But he said that in video.
The waffen ss were high in prestige because of their political nature and connections..
The idea that they comprised some kind of elite or specially well performing fighting unit has been disproven at length and they were repeatedly out performed in every regard by the wehrmacht. (As a side note the fighting performance of the nazis in general is somewhat overstated if not often extremely overstated)
The modern belief around this is due to the propaganda and the propaganda is very intense when it comes to groups like the ss.
Arguably, the greatest strength of the nazis was their propaganda and ability to manipulate perceptions.
Es Film: Wirkung des Spaten im Nahkampf,... heftig.
Not SS This is from Switzerland not Wehrmacht SS.
You have to fight with a gun, at least you have a pistol or knife. Why should a soldier do something like karate? Only special forces in special attacks needs this kind of experience.
Try to find information wolf combat judo.
Такая усиленная физуха для войны ненужна , нужно взаимодействие и хорошее знание возможностей боевой техники, маневренность.
very interesting i can see they are heavily influenced by judo
На видео в касках солдаты, Швейцарской армии а не Вермахт.
🎶I fought the wall and the wall won🎵I fought the wall and the wall won 🎵
...в РККА подготовка не слабее была! В армии ГДР вообще замечательно!
Ridiculous, there are Swiss soldiers.
He said that in the video.
Still got absolutely wrecked by American soldiers in melee lol. American soldiers just suplexed them.
Also consider that American soldiers were on average 5-10cm bigger.
Germans were/are not that tall people. They're as tall as French, British, Polish, Chinese, and Koreans. They lie about their height due to severe complex against Americans and Australians. Americans and Australians are visibly bigger than Germans and French.
Dutch are actually gigantic. Bigger than even Nords and Mongols.
gloire au combat qui purifie l homme , révèle le heros.