" 8 Ships had to go back to their docks with various technical issues. " I bet they all launched on a Monday and thiese ships missing parts were going to arrive on Tuesday.
Very nice way to account for Kirk's words to Captain Christopher. The Spaceflight Chronology was one of my favourite books back in the day. Baton Rouge class v good too.
Another fantastic presentation, I didn't even know of the Mann Class before this. Love to hear more about the lower "NCC's" little is said or known about them.
I love the Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology and the ship's in it. I have a copy of it myself. The ship illustrations BY Stan and Fred Goldstien in it are GORGIOUS!! The one of the one Mann Class ship flying next to the comet is a particular favorite of mine!
I created a model of the Mann Class light cruiser, for the game "Star Fleet Command", just over 10 years ago. Mine was true to the original Rick Sternbeck drawings & artwork, with a reflective ellipsoid hull, red hot nacelle pods & progressively orange to white hot nacelle end tapers.
I didn't even know that this class even existed! I thought it was definitely a different twist on what was available at the time. I'm glad that according to you created narrative that it became useful. I'm also glad to hear that USPA was fully integrated into the Starfleet Science and exploration division to add to it's existing Science Teams and the ideas and techniques were not lost. Great job! Hope to see and hear more about odd class unknown "Cannon and Beta Cannon" Starships!
I like your lore work. The quality is better than the garbage we got for poor Picard in season 2, and on par with the new work being done on Strange New Worlds. Bravo, sir.
"You can't make another ball ship, UESPA." "Fine." "So what are you going to build?" "Oval. Ship. With two dangly bits, too!" "Why are you like this?" In all seriousness, I kind of adore these weird ships. It reflects a sort of "throw stardust at the wall and see what sticks" mentality.
The second I read "why are you like this?" my brain immediately went to Caine from the TADC pilot asking Bubble that question. The design is definitely unique
You've really been pumping out top tier content lately featuring some of the most obscure and interesting ships. Some of them like this Mann class I nearly forgot about and really didn't know much of what you've shown. Always look forward to your well researched and presented videos.
I loved the Spaceflight Chronology book when I was a kid. So stoked to see this vid. Looking forward to more "Beta" canon vids on ships from that book!!!!
Another great video. It was a good idea to use salvaged parts to cut time and resources. Always cool to see these older much unknown ships. Keep them coming and thanks for the hard work
Can you imagine being in the swimming pool or bowling alley of a Constitution class during a deceleration from high warp, like what happened when the Enterprise was chasing the Gorn ship (Arena)? 😮 I have to break out my blueprints to see what the orientation of the bowling alley was (pins fore or aft), but either you and the bowling ball achieved warp speed while making a strike, or the pins came at you, at an alarming speed. Don’t even get me started on the wave action in the swimming pool. Would love to see them do this in an episode of Lower Decks.
Dropping from warp wouldn't affect the ship, unless it was hit while at warp. On the other hand, doing a hard decel from impulse would probably momentarily affect the pool area, after which inertial dampeners would probably kick in.
Thank you for this, i have owned Spaceflight Chronology since i was a boy in the early 1980. it contains some amazing looking ships and some not so cool ones. I like your spin on this one and USPA that was mentioned in the original series. One of my favourite ships from the Spaceflight Chronology is The " Broadway Class " USS Hurok. a cultural exchange ship featuring amphitheatres etc what an interesting concept. I just love the cool shape of this vessel it looks so sleek and fast and svelte surly this should have been a ship meant for fast response and protection of federation planets ? Having this as a theatre ship is like having USS Iowa as a ferry its just not right! would love to see this ship in 3D and wit a new beta cannon roll (; Just putting it out there Haha.
An awesome video! I was not aware of this class either, but it's a cool ship! I wouldn't want to serve on it due to the cramped quarters and missing recreational facilities though.
The Star Trek: Space Flight Chronology Manual came out right around the time Star Trek: The Motion Picture premiered, or at least very soon afterward. There was a glut of Star Trek related publications that all hit at once when the movie came out, not all of it good. As a kid, I enjoyed this book up to a point, and that point was at the end of the book, stating that the Enterprise refit was launched at the START of the 23rd century. I still have the book and perhaps later editions corrected that, I don't know. It was a fun book but definitely not something to be considered canon. I enjoyed the workup here of the Mann class, though. It was even mentioned in the Star Trek novel, "The Klingon Gambit" (I think that's the one. I had every one of the Bantam Books Star Trek novels except for the very last one as a kid). As always, you do fantastic work and as a fan, I truly appreciate the energy and passion you put into your projects. Peace, and long life.
Here's another reason why Starfleet likely never took on the more Spherical shaped ships. Smaller cross section, which would be harder to hit in a combat situation, and even though this thing is science based, having a smaller cross section would lessen the need for maneuvering if they get caught in a asteroid storm. Again, this is just from what I'm looking at
great story as always! always liked the ball designed ships even if this one is abit odd, you should do a truth or myth about the 31st century Eisenberg class sometime.
Here's a question tri What do was the fleet comprised of the United earth fleet post Romulan war and how powerful was unites earth pre and post earth Romulan war???
The joint ventures and seperate ventures of UESPA and starfleet within the federation is a rather fascinating concept that I wish there was more of Hearing the description and such, a metaphorical comparison for non trek or “younger” fans to grasp might be that STARFLEET was comparable to the FBI under the larger FEDERATION government over the wide swath of the galaxy Whereas UESPA was a local system entity, which could have resources computed as needed, but would be more analogous to a local county of state level organisation. The idea is not unheard of as there are references throughout trek, notably DS9 (with a disclaimer understanding that at this point Bajor was not a federation member yet) - bajor had its own ships and fleet which operated under the “local” bajoran government, and had system patrols and such. Would make sense that aside from federation council/starfleet, the Sol system would have its own ships. The only issue there being with Earth as the federation capitol, there’s be jurisdictional overlap.
So one question I always have, when u give the lengths of the ships have u ever thought of differentiating total length as well as length excluding the nacels? I always wonder about this because with reference to how long the nacels are you can get a better idea of the length in terms of internal space. I know it is not perfect and not sure if nacel lengths are included in specs but just a thought that may help give viewers a scale of the actually size of the main hull. I ask because some designs have HUGE nacels while others have small ones
Going by the viewports on the main hull, I'd say there was six...maybe seven, decks. So how did they manage to squeeze nearly 300 crewmen into this thing?!?
@@earlware4322 Not very comfortably, especially by 24th century standards. You recall Dax's comment from 'Trials And Tribble-ations': 'They really packed them in on these old ships, didn't they?' And that was about Kirk's original-configuration Constitution class!...😉
So let me get this right....any 'starship' build shows its age after 10 average years? Damn, I know sea vessels that are built for 50 year services. From the end of the 22nd Century to the 24th Century it seems like ships are weakly built.
I love this whole series to bits as i get to see and learn about so mqny ships ive never heard of before, that being said no offence to whoever designed this ship irl but i think this is the most hideous ship ive ever seen from any sci fi franchise
It looks fantastic, thank you for doing this one. In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Captain Kirk explained that the Star Fleet's authority came from the United Earth Space Probe Agency.
Well then do some research! Google us your friend ;) As these videos are stories about the starships and contain only the information which does not contradict canon! :)
Eww… the Wasp class is much better than this one. Someone else commenting below said it, “An M&M with drumsticks”. Almost rather see one of those headless war starships than this thing. (They don’t have what would look like a primary hull, just a secondary one and they’re laid out vertically like the Wasp class)
You couldn't get a ship class with this name made these days. Without all the people with severe social mental disabilities freaking out over the name.
This sounds like maybe something you have recently experienced, Mr. Von Splatterblaster? Did you have to buy Mrs. Von Splatterblaster a bunch of expensive flowers that wilted in two days? Sleep on the couch? Rub her feet? Apologize profusely even though she says that is not what she wants? Buy her jewelry? Yep - been there, suffered that. Keep up the good work, my friend.
Another great video. It was a good idea to use salvaged parts to cut time and resources. Always cool to see these older much unknown ships. Keep them coming and thanks for the hard work
" 8 Ships had to go back to their docks with various technical issues. " I bet they all launched on a Monday and thiese ships missing parts were going to arrive on Tuesday.
Very nice way to account for Kirk's words to Captain Christopher. The Spaceflight Chronology was one of my favourite books back in the day. Baton Rouge class v good too.
Dr.Michael Mann...designer of great Starfleet ships and 80's Police dramas...
Very cool:) Nice video.
"This is our new ship, the Indestructible Two!"
"What happened to the Indestructible One?"
"Um...it fell apart..."
Nice Benny Hill reference...😉
I love the Chronology. The USS Amity/Verne class, the USS Endurance/Mann class, and USS Patton/Marshall class are faves of mine.
I always liked the SS Lewis and Clark. First manned Earth ship to Mars.
It looks like an M&M with drumsticks in space. Great story and information. First time I seen/heard of this class. Definitely Nerd Approved.
Another fantastic presentation, I didn't even know of the Mann Class before this. Love to hear more about the lower "NCC's" little is said or known about them.
I love the Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology and the ship's in it. I have a copy of it myself. The ship illustrations BY Stan and Fred Goldstien in it are GORGIOUS!! The one of the one Mann Class ship flying next to the comet is a particular favorite of mine!
I like this. It has the retro 1960s look and feel of TOS!
The brilliance of all these stories must become its own series. Bravo.
The Mann Class, one of my all time favorites from Spaceflight Chronology. Those ships don’t get enough love.
I created a model of the Mann Class light cruiser, for the game "Star Fleet Command", just over 10 years ago. Mine was true to the original Rick Sternbeck drawings & artwork, with a reflective ellipsoid hull, red hot nacelle pods & progressively orange to white hot nacelle end tapers.
Star Trek Disco for the win! LOL!!
With four impulse drives, this ship would be quick if the bulk of the saucer didn't slow it down.
I didn't even know that this class even existed! I thought it was definitely a different twist on what was available at the time. I'm glad that according to you created narrative that it became useful. I'm also glad to hear that USPA was fully integrated into the Starfleet Science and exploration division to add to it's existing Science Teams and the ideas and techniques were not lost. Great job! Hope to see and hear more about odd class unknown "Cannon and Beta Cannon" Starships!
I like your lore work. The quality is better than the garbage we got for poor Picard in season 2, and on par with the new work being done on Strange New Worlds.
Bravo, sir.
I love these early Federation ships
Many years ago I imagined myself doing something like this in book form. Bravo.
The captain ready to leave space dock for the first time: "take her out."
Helm: "um she's a Mann, man."
"You can't make another ball ship, UESPA."
"Fine."
"So what are you going to build?"
"Oval. Ship. With two dangly bits, too!"
"Why are you like this?"
In all seriousness, I kind of adore these weird ships. It reflects a sort of "throw stardust at the wall and see what sticks" mentality.
UESPA: hay starfleet can i have that box of junk i whant to use it to build starships
The second I read "why are you like this?" my brain immediately went to Caine from the TADC pilot asking Bubble that question.
The design is definitely unique
Cool but where's the Lady Class ship? *drum hit*
I'll see myself out. 😂
Thank you very much of this nice Video. Very interesting ship Classe
You've really been pumping out top tier content lately featuring some of the most obscure and interesting ships. Some of them like this Mann class I nearly forgot about and really didn't know much of what you've shown. Always look forward to your well researched and presented videos.
Another oddball but goodball. Thanks for another great video.
The Mann class is so interesting. One of the odd ball ships from the equally odd ball Spaceflight Chronology book.
I loved the Spaceflight Chronology book when I was a kid. So stoked to see this vid. Looking forward to more "Beta" canon vids on ships from that book!!!!
Pretty cool design and a great story. You definitely can spin a great tale my friend. Well done.
Another great video. It was a good idea to use salvaged parts to cut time and resources. Always cool to see these older much unknown ships. Keep them coming and thanks for the hard work
I believe that it was the first vessel to exceed Warp 4. According to that chronology.
Not sure about that. The Earth-Romulan war mentioned was set AFTER the Enterprise show, and the NX class were warp 5 capable
"Tough little ship" "little" Great presentation as always Star fleet ship designs are so varied That's why we LOVE STAR TREK!!⭐🖖👍❤
Can you imagine being in the swimming pool or bowling alley of a Constitution class during a deceleration from high warp, like what happened when the Enterprise was chasing the Gorn ship (Arena)? 😮
I have to break out my blueprints to see what the orientation of the bowling alley was (pins fore or aft), but either you and the bowling ball achieved warp speed while making a strike, or the pins came at you, at an alarming speed.
Don’t even get me started on the wave action in the swimming pool.
Would love to see them do this in an episode of Lower Decks.
Dropping from warp wouldn't affect the ship, unless it was hit while at warp. On the other hand, doing a hard decel from impulse would probably momentarily affect the pool area, after which inertial dampeners would probably kick in.
Inertia isn’t a thing with warp drives. Technically the ship isn’t moving.
Can't believe in my eyes XD
Lovely
This was fascinating! Nicely done!
Thank you for this, i have owned Spaceflight Chronology since i was a boy in the early 1980. it contains some amazing looking ships and some not so cool ones. I like your spin on this one and USPA that was mentioned in the original series.
One of my favourite ships from the Spaceflight Chronology is The " Broadway Class " USS Hurok. a cultural exchange ship featuring amphitheatres etc what an interesting concept. I just love the cool shape of this vessel it looks so sleek and fast and svelte surly this should have been a ship meant for fast response and protection of federation planets ? Having this as a theatre ship is like having USS Iowa as a ferry its just not right! would love to see this ship in 3D and wit a new beta cannon roll (;
Just putting it out there Haha.
An awesome video! I was not aware of this class either, but it's a cool ship! I wouldn't want to serve on it due to the cramped quarters and missing recreational facilities though.
Oh, 3d chess in the mess hall ain't good enough for ya, huh? Landlubber...
😉👍
The description of the USPA wad just as interesting as the ship itself! I never thought about the references to it. Thanks!!
I love this one !!
The Star Trek: Space Flight Chronology Manual came out right around the time Star Trek: The Motion Picture premiered, or at least very soon afterward. There was a glut of Star Trek related publications that all hit at once when the movie came out, not all of it good. As a kid, I enjoyed this book up to a point, and that point was at the end of the book, stating that the Enterprise refit was launched at the START of the 23rd century. I still have the book and perhaps later editions corrected that, I don't know. It was a fun book but definitely not something to be considered canon. I enjoyed the workup here of the Mann class, though. It was even mentioned in the Star Trek novel, "The Klingon Gambit" (I think that's the one. I had every one of the Bantam Books Star Trek novels except for the very last one as a kid).
As always, you do fantastic work and as a fan, I truly appreciate the energy and passion you put into your projects.
Peace, and long life.
Here's another reason why Starfleet likely never took on the more Spherical shaped ships. Smaller cross section, which would be harder to hit in a combat situation, and even though this thing is science based, having a smaller cross section would lessen the need for maneuvering if they get caught in a asteroid storm. Again, this is just from what I'm looking at
Hrm, the ship is unkown configuration, Captain, the hull appears vaguely gourdoid. :)
Now a show sbout this ship and the rest of unspa would be interesting
great story as always! always liked the ball designed ships even if this one is abit odd, you should do a truth or myth about the 31st century Eisenberg class sometime.
Interesting ship design ☺☺
Here's a question tri
What do was the fleet comprised of the United earth fleet post Romulan war and how powerful was unites earth pre and post earth Romulan war???
How about doing an episode on the Tritium class starship?
Agreed, that would be a good subject!
You don't want to be the third nacelle...😉👍
The joint ventures and seperate ventures of UESPA and starfleet within the federation is a rather fascinating concept that I wish there was more of
Hearing the description and such, a metaphorical comparison for non trek or “younger” fans to grasp might be that STARFLEET was comparable to the FBI under the larger FEDERATION government over the wide swath of the galaxy
Whereas UESPA was a local system entity, which could have resources computed as needed, but would be more analogous to a local county of state level organisation.
The idea is not unheard of as there are references throughout trek, notably DS9 (with a disclaimer understanding that at this point Bajor was not a federation member yet) - bajor had its own ships and fleet which operated under the “local” bajoran government, and had system patrols and such. Would make sense that aside from federation council/starfleet, the Sol system would have its own ships. The only issue there being with Earth as the federation capitol, there’s be jurisdictional overlap.
I thought this class looked terrible at first but now I’ve fallen in love with it.
Love these videos!
Great soundtrack.great video.
So one question I always have, when u give the lengths of the ships have u ever thought of differentiating total length as well as length excluding the nacels?
I always wonder about this because with reference to how long the nacels are you can get a better idea of the length in terms of internal space.
I know it is not perfect and not sure if nacel lengths are included in specs but just a thought that may help give viewers a scale of the actually size of the main hull.
I ask because some designs have HUGE nacels while others have small ones
I wish someone would do a “truth or myth” series on other Sci-fi franchises.
Well you're in luck! Tomorrow at 9am EST I will be doing my FIRST Truth OR Myth on another SciFi Franchise :)
Please, please do Babylon 5
I still think it's ridiculous how few starships the federation has almost 400 years Into the future I mean we have 8 billion people now .....
Where was this seen in Canon? What’d I miss?
I'm sorry, what's the crew compliment??? It looks like it would hold *maybe* 75
Going by the viewports on the main hull, I'd say there was six...maybe seven, decks. So how did they manage to squeeze nearly 300 crewmen into this thing?!?
@@earlware4322
Not very comfortably, especially by 24th century standards. You recall Dax's comment from 'Trials And Tribble-ations': 'They really packed them in on these old ships, didn't they?' And that was about Kirk's original-configuration Constitution class!...😉
So let me get this right....any 'starship' build shows its age after 10 average years? Damn, I know sea vessels that are built for 50 year services. From the end of the 22nd Century to the 24th Century it seems like ships are weakly built.
See you still using so of old Matt Jefferies ships?
🖖😎👍Very informative indeed, just not a very good design though or the way that warp nacelles work is very strange indeed 🤔
It reminds me of Squidward...
🤔
What!? No Gelato machine?
The Gelato machine won't be installed until Tuesday...😊
If it fits with the canon then we may as well use it until there is real canon
It’s the maaaannnnn
I love this whole series to bits as i get to see and learn about so mqny ships ive never heard of before, that being said no offence to whoever designed this ship irl but i think this is the most hideous ship ive ever seen from any sci fi franchise
I feel as if lightning should be shooting between the objects on the warp nacelles.
It looks fantastic, thank you for doing this one. In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Captain Kirk explained that the Star Fleet's authority came from the United Earth Space Probe Agency.
No porblem :) Also Kirk explains that HIS authority came from UESPA, not Starfleets! :)
Not really a design to my tastes though the video and narrative was still quite entertaining.
When your last name is Mann ...
I love these so much. But you know what I would love more? Stats for these ships for Star Trek Adventures :)
Well then do some research! Google us your friend ;) As these videos are stories about the starships and contain only the information which does not contradict canon! :)
Where Buzzard Collectors
The video explains that they are on the pods on either side of the nacelles :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Okay that kinda works
LOL I didn't design the ship, just reporting on it :P
Eww… the Wasp class is much better than this one. Someone else commenting below said it, “An M&M with drumsticks”. Almost rather see one of those headless war starships than this thing. (They don’t have what would look like a primary hull, just a secondary one and they’re laid out vertically like the Wasp class)
Uh... I guess we can say it's... peculiar looking.
If you order a Deadalus class from wish
So a early version of the O'berth.
Not really, as there is no direct connection between the two classes
294 crew.... Those windows would have to be 30 feet long and 20 feet high.
Maybe 50 crew.
Sorry you are incorrect! Those are the Beta Canon numbers, the end!
Use the standard measrement
All standard measurements ARE used 🫠
You couldn't get a ship class with this name made these days. Without all the people with severe social mental disabilities freaking out over the name.
Don't be a dick Jon, and you know that isnt true and this class is NOT named after a Gender but a proper name! Hence why is is spelt "Mann" :P
it's a potato.
I never was a big fan of this design. It looks too much like an ornament.
Ngl Tri.
Mann Class is pretty fuckin ugly.
But this video and music were fire
The Oberth class had to.have a ancestor somewhere that made it look.good.
Called the Mann class because the woman class would be too busy being indecisive and sulking because someone forgot their anniversary
This sounds like maybe something you have recently experienced, Mr. Von Splatterblaster? Did you have to buy Mrs. Von Splatterblaster a bunch of expensive flowers that wilted in two days? Sleep on the couch? Rub her feet? Apologize profusely even though she says that is not what she wants? Buy her jewelry? Yep - been there, suffered that. Keep up the good work, my friend.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another great video. It was a good idea to use salvaged parts to cut time and resources. Always cool to see these older much unknown ships. Keep them coming and thanks for the hard work