$99 K3 Windows 10 keyboard PC review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Reviewing the K3 Wintel Keyboard PC, an entire Windows 10 computer built into a mini keyboard.
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5:55 It does support a headset mic through the headphone jack.
8:48 The previous build of Windows 10 was taking up 10 GB. Using the cleanup utility I was able to free up that space.
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I'd say in my opinion, I think laptops are basically computers built into the keyboard... with a screen attached.
Well... yes. They usually are. This right here is essentially a low-end Chromebook without a screen. But it has Windows 10. I used Chromebooks because those are already inexpensive, tiny devices across the board.
@@jlco 'low-end chromebook'
Just say 'chromebook' basically the same thing lmao
I'd buy one without a screen. But a proper gaming piece.
Isnt it thou?? I love the idea. nowadays ever1 got a extra small tv/monitor so just brg ur key board & mouse. Now u have a work/gaming station every where u go, hotel motel, holiday inn...or just get laptop call it a day! Tech evo so much basic laptop over power any size computer from the 90's imagine having to carry a whole pc when you'll travel for work sheess
OOBE = Out of box experience.
+Jack Stavris
Orangutan Orator's Baffling Exclamation, surely?
+MarkTheMorose You don't have to be a dick about it. Vwestlife did state this early in the video while flipping through the manual.
+Scott Parkinson You obviously can't take a joke.
***** - Seemed like a personal attack at first, but yeah... In a sense you got that right lol.
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Now all we need is a PC built into a mouse
Now that's a pretty cool concept. I really like it.
If only it had a laser keyboard projector then it'd be perfect. :D
I give up.
raspberry pi 0 in a mouse done
I would love to plug a keyboard and monitor into my mouse to play minecraft, if it can even run that
hahahahaha
Didn't know you watch Ashens! We have a lot of things in common...
+Darius Watako - Hinamizawa Newcomer That violin video is actually my favourite video on the entire internet! I've seen it like 100 times already but it still makes me laugh. What a surprise to see it here!
haha yeah been watching him since 2011
99MHz of Gaming That's great!! Several of his videos are my favourite!
Poebat Since 2015 for me!
Da-dink da-dink da-dun. HELLO!
Looks like it was upgraded from win 8 or 7 because of the Windows.Old folder.
+Rainy Bass That might just explain how they got Windows 10 on a $99 computer.
+Rainy Bass | Not only that, but the Windows-BT folder.
+Rainy Bass Most likely upgraded from older build.
He upgraded from Windows 10 TH1 to TH2.
It could also just still be storing the original install of Windows 10 in that folder. My hard drive got a Windows.old folder after I finished installing a major Windows 10 update.
I love your grumpy character :D
That touchpad is fine for the 90% who bash the Bishop with their right hand, but for us lefties it's not great. For $99 I'd rather stuff a Pi 3 inside an IBM Model M.
You can use an external mic via the usb port .
+Sean Metivier im guessing you can,i think he was being kinda stupid and wasnt thinking that at the time lol.
Bluetooth Mics as well.
Plenty of options. Besides, a USB Mic that's isolated from the internal sound is better sounding anyway. A lot less noise from internal components. Not that's you'd use this PC in a recording studio or anything where you'd need that though. Though it might be quite convenient to carry around instead of a laptop for presentations, streaming video on your TV and the like.
+Green Leaf x Well you didn't need to put it that way. I'm guessing he figured that it's common sense to use external usb devices, which is why he didn't mention it.
Tommy Whitaker
It might not have a TRRS (tip ring ring sleeve) 4 pin audio jack which has the extra pin for a mic. I know in most desktop computers, those plugs don't fit at all. Or if they fit, you only get audio out, and the microphone is connected to nothing. this is because everything except mobile devices use the standard TRS (tip ring sleeve) 3 pin jack and connector that has existed since the 1970s. That's an old connector. XD
They're intended for use with phones and tablets which use the TRRS plug. You need a cable that splits it out to a regular mic and headphone jack for a desktop or laptop, but in this case there is no mic jack, and thus no microphone hardware. USB or Bluetooth it is. Or if you're lucky they implemented the modern TRRS jack. That would be great if it was so. :D
I tested it and it does support a headset mic through the headphone jack.
Out of box experience! Anyone else remember in XP when there was a "secret" song in the system32/oobe folder?
isnt windows 10 more expensive then 100 bucks lol ?
You're right! The official retail price of Windows 10 Home edition is $119.99.
+vwestlife Seems a bit fishy, might they be selling illegitimate copies?
+Peter S those are not normal windows 10 copies, those are OEM copies, that means you have the original Windows BUT you can only use it on that PC(If you have for example a pre-build PC with windows 10 and you decide to upgrade mobo and cpu, you loose the windows license).
+RogerRHF
OEMs negotiate bulk pricing deals with microsoft.
+Mayban36 | TASÓ Microsoft introduced a new edition for ultra light pcs called Windows 8.1 with Bing which for computers with screens under 8 inches and less than 2gb of ram was free to license. The only restriction was that you can't change the default search provider away from bing as the OEM (the end user is allowed to do this.) Windows 8.1 with Bing (aka CoreConnected) is eligible for a free upgrade to Windows 10 Home so presumably Microsoft is still running the program with Windows 10.
you don't need a numlock as it does not have a numberpad
It is still useful for macro layering. Scroll lock and numlock can give you 4 layers for macros. That is not insignificant for people who use lots of macros.
Scroll lock off Numlock off = First set of macros
Scroll lock on Num Lock off = Second set of macros
Scroll lock off Num Lock on = Third set of macros
Scroll lock on Num Lock on = Fourth set of macros
One other flashback to the home computers of the 80s: $99 sticker price. I'm pretty sure that the Commodore 64, Timex Sinclair, and Atari 400 all sold for $99 at one point or another. That was considered the point at which you were likely to really start having big sales. Count me impressed. That looks like a fantastic deal.
What a great review! Glad to see these "keyboard" computer are having a comeback.
Actually it should be possible to install any OS onto that machine
Find "BIOS Mode" and switch it from UEFI to Legacy, and turn off safe book
using RMPrepusb format your usb key with ntfs with hdd emulation (2 partitions), and boot your fresh, new os from your newly made hard d.....i mean USB :)
(Hard drive emulation is really good with older BIOS-es which cant boot from USB directly, or in your case, systems that dont support UEFI :) )
Lol the random UXWBill clip cracked me up way too much.
That computer is actually one impressive piece of technology for its price. At a higher price point, I think it might even be possible to install and properly cool a full-fledged Pentium chip.
I'm impressed...it actually seems to be entirely decent! As for OOBE, I've always taken it to mean "out of box experience", which does appear to be correct.
As for Windows 10...as much as I don't want to sound like "that guy"...I'd really rather run *Linux* on the desktop than to deal with the so far half baked pile of crap that is the Windows 10 desktop experience. Yeah. I actually like Windows 8/8.1 (and with Classic Shell, I never see the slightest trace of Metro/Modern UI apps). If that makes me unique, so be it.
Windows 10 seems to support "proper" floppy drives attached to an actual internal floppy drive controller as well.
Yeah. I think I'd buy one of these, and maybe more than that if they were to get cheaper. Which begs the question as to just how hard Microsoft is pushing Windows 10 and what licensing actually costs an OEM...
Nice to see your here.
That computer is cheaper than I can buy Windows 10 home for on Microsoft's website, and it comes preinstalled?!
Also way cheaper than my gaming keyboard, and there's a computer inside
I'm surprised there hasn't been a thing for these over here at all, I could see these being sold by discount stores with the idea of these being perfect for a child's bedroom TV and all that. Just like old times!
It is like a laptop without a screen. A headless laptop. And it brings to my mind when people take off the screen bit of their laptop when it is broken. And plug the laptop into an outside screen.
Came upon this vid randomly and I had a huge laugh all over again at Antonia Stella Bottom Tile.
I'm pretty sure SD a registered trademark and requires licensing, compatibility verification whereas TF works as a generic non-licensed we don't have to pay fees kind of thing.
Woah woah woah. You watch Ashens? That's freaking awesome!
That looks neat. And from your demonstration of it it was a pretty positive review
For just web browsing and documents, or as a spare computer, it's great. Since it has no fan, it may also be good as a home server, provided it won't overheat.
The hardware specs are the same as my brother's HP Stream 13 (except it has an Intel Celeron instead of Atom, and it's twice the price because it's a full laptop).
+TheComputerGuy⁹⁶ Wel... not exactly, the Celeron is still a lot better even if it's only a dual core (2.16 GHz vs 1.33 GHz with the same architecture, the better clock speed helps a lot) and the GPU is also a lot better on the Stream 13 (the Atom serie use a GPU who can works on Windows AND Android, so it's not that good on Windows, on the other hands, the Stream 13 uses a weaker version of the Intel HD Graphics 4000, which is not excellent, but still better).
Yeah, you're right, but again, there's a significant price difference.
I would use this PC in my living room with my not-SmartTV or with external HDDs as a file server for images or music. 99$ isn't too much.
Homer Simpson paint it yellow
Saw this on an old computer package my dad bought around 1998. It had OOBE on the box and my dad always said it stood for "Out Of Box Experience" (and at least with this computer, it was not so much of an out of box experience because of the setup needed). Not sure if he was right or not. I was like 14 at the time he told me that (2009) so I used the hell out of that on Facebook because I wanted to be edgy and cool (and not use any form of grammar at all) and I failed miserably at all of that (but I did succeed at the grammar part).
Can it PXE boot to a network location? These might make good zero/thin clients if they can.
How well do you think this would work as a DOSBox computer?
Probably good enough. Stuff like Duke Nukem 3D or Doom might not run as well
+Redey1290 The atom processor is good enough to run basic 3d games. Hell, it even runs LoL 'okay' in low settings.
Even weakest CPU today can run DOSbox
DosBox IS a virtual machine
Very Good Informative Review; especially the clarity of the sound & cadence of your speech.
And just for that; I have decided to become Subscriber # 55,278 !
Very cool! The amazing thing is that it comes with full size HDMI so that solves the audio output problem, asuming the mornitor hooked to it has a built in speaker.
Interesting video, thanks for posting. It's interesting to see a return of PCs with a keyboard built in. Obviously, there are a lot of hiccups you may come across when designing it however if they made it a little thicker, they could have gotten an optical drive, 2.5" hard drive and probably speakers in there. It's a very good form factor and certainly is promising. I just wish it was more popular.
That's the weirdest manual I have ever seen.
That "thrillion" network though. xD
I am guessing they just copy-paste the introduction from a Lenovo manual directly
OOBE stands for Out Of Box Experience. There was a rumor going around that there was a "secret" song in the oobe folder, but it was really just the install music.
12:27 "Wonderful sound, strange shape"
Awesome find and review. Hope you do more shows on these types of devices.
Tom
Officer of the Order of the British Empire :3
It does look like a fine little computer.
without looking up: OOBE is a folder used in the windows installation process, it houses all the imagery and sounds for the setup. In windows xp you can find the classic title.wma (winxp installation music) in the OOBE folder in system32
with looking up: The out-of-box experience is typically the first impression a product
creates, such as the ease with which a buyer can begin using the
product. For hardware products, a positive OOBE can be created with
logical easy-to-follow instructions and good quality of manufacturing.
For software, this often means easy installation and "Welcome" or "Initial Configuration" wizard screens that simplify elaborate set-up. The OOBE can also include the complete lack of such wizards.
Thrillion is how I measure everything I do - nothing but high-intensity thrills me for thanks
Seems a nice option for support people!
Out of Box Experience! How else are you going to get that sweet XP Welcome music?
It's seems to perform pretty nice. Bay Trail is very impressive, it's insane how cheap you can pickup Windows machines in a variety of weird and wonderful form factors these days. Like you say for general stuff they work well. It's nice they went to the effort of squeezing in a touch pad at all I suppose!
not bad for just 99. bucks...
cool videos you do . Fun to Wach you try out old stuff and new stuff.. you are very down to earth guy . I and others can understand you...
Happy 4th of July
Thanks Kevin for this video and for the Spybot info; I've since installed it and feel better about the world.
Only 2GB of RAM is pretty bad, but for a $100 bucks and considering the type of work it's intended for it cant be helped.
+Foojack100 2GB of RAM is plenty for Windows 10 if you're doing Office/Web browsing. As long as you don't expect to be working on hi-res multiple layer Photoshop files it'll be fine for most people at this price point.
+phishwak For me Windows 10 on 2GB Ram is nonsense, because 10 has problem with memory managment
Tommy Whitaker Android 6.0 will work on your device if you had any update.
Its good enough for my Dad all he does is facebook and youtube and email
Baytrail CPUs only support 2GB of ram. Microsoft practically gives away a windows license for a $100 computer or less.
I discovered Windows 10 does not have the option to create a dos boot disk anymore, something that has been removed since 8. I think this would be really great if it was a full size keyboard, would work great in many office environments but with such a tiny keyboard people would hate typing on it. Combine this however with an HDMI transmitter and it probably would be a decent HTPC / couch surfer computer, just have to deal with the power cord being plugged which might pose a problem.
If you got a very long HDMI cable, it would be good for a Kodi box.
If i remember correctly oobe was something in windows xpp where title.wma was stored (windows setup music)
Why did i say this???
Glad im not the only one who enjoys Ashens.
No way! You played a LinusTechTips / NCIXTechTips video?
I really hope PC's in keyboards don't make a comeback, however that is one hell of a deal you can get for that price especially that bios which really surprised me.
They call it TF because MicroSD and SD Card are copyright protected. It avoids seizure by Customs at the time of importation.
The video montage toward the end was excellent. Seeing as Classic shell still doesn't let the right-click menu for the start icon work right, I'll pass on it for now and just stick to the Windows 8 and Windows 10 default Starts.
As for "Lenovo", last I heard, the company that bought IBM's computer manufacturing division and made it a separate company from IBM was in China, meaning it's very possible these keyboards are being made by the same people who make computers under the Lenovo name.
Geekbuying is out of stock. Gearbest says discontinued. I wanted to test one out. There are still the little wanna be MacPro, flower pot shaped PCs with virtually the same specs available with Cherry Trail processors for under $100. It's not like having the PC in the keyboard though. Reminds me of my Atari ST days.
I like the way windows ten dose not pop up a dialogue box when you go to shut down
That thing is just so adorable... I don't need one, but I want one.
@VWestlife: does this PC in a keyboard still run fine? All the updates for W10 makes any PC run a bit slower :-o
OOBE is Out of box experience. its the the user account setup and OS activation, with music on Windows xp
OOBE= Out of box experience. Learned that just last night from a Danooct1 video.
OOBE is out of the box experience
Out of the box experience
That's quite a cool and usable little computer for a lot of people! I'm a fan, however the specifications aren't very high.
I am collecting keyboard computers and was sad to see this wasn't a 64 Bit OS. I am having a hard time finding it nowadays and may get this in white or the Ovenga K8. I wanted something solid though and not all floppy. I think I will skip the Orange Pi 800. To bad no one is doing this with Windows 11 now.
This is fairly interesting that you're doing this review now. I have three Winbook TW800 tablets bought from Microcenter two Black Fridays ago open-box. My sister got one, and lost it somewhere in her closet, I got one, and one stayed in-box until a couple weeks ago. Mine got cracked up and the headphone jack broken off from a fall with headphones plugged in, so I moved to the unopened one only recently when i took interest in it again. I was going to try to get my hands on a Lenovo Ideapad 100S if I ever got the money to do so; same specs, but in a nice little laptop. OOBE means Out-of box experience, and your headphone jack on that comptuer may actually be a headSET jack mislabeled. the BIOS needs to have the boot devices messed around with a bit with the flash drive installed; you may only be able to boot a 686-PAE version of Ubuntu depending on how much that UEFI BIOS is lying; more on this below.
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Most things you find that say they have a Bay Trail Quad-Core CPU or anything Bay Trail for that matter, is going to be one of a couple of options. it will have an Atom Z3735D, E, or F. the former two of three supporting 2 or 1GB respectively and are based on a BGA1380 design, and the F being BGA592? and supporting 2GB.
Despite being 64-bit CPUs, these are almost always bundled with a 32-bit EFI, which shouldn't even exist according to the UEFI spec. it was to fix an issue with Windows early on with the Bay Trail-T Spec which has been addressed, but no one wants to fix the issue with the UEFI being 32-bit because they can't use more than 2GB of RAM anyway, and planned obsolesence and bureaucracy prevents this.
Laptops/Netbooks and Tablets that are based on Bay Trail-T usually have the following: 16 or 32GB of SSD via a single-chip on the board near the Atom, 1 or 2GB of DDR3-1333, a Realtek SDIO 802.11n 150Mbps Wireless card soldered directly to the board, and if it has a webcam, it's an Intel OV2722 with front and rear-facing webcams, if you're lucky. There's usually either one USB 3.0 port, or two USB 2.0 ports, a MicroUSB port for charging if it's a tablet (thanks EU!) and the earliest of units shipped with Windows 8.1 "With Bing" to bring the cost down to nil for a windows license to the OEM. They are fairly speedy when they want to be, but slow eMMC SSD read/write times will bring them to their knees if you have a lot of things loading on start-up. There's also a MicroSD card slot on a lot of these, but MicroSD cards tpyically are going to be slower, so you have that as a performance hit there too.
the TW800 I have suffers from a lot from only having 16GB of storage space and 1GB of RAM. the TW801 with the Z3735D has 32GB and 2GB respectively, and the TW802 which makes use of the slightly more efficient Z3735F has the same specs. these two supposedly run Windows 8.1 and 10 like a champ.
In this day and age where you can get a laptop/netbook such as the Ideapad 100S (11.6") with a Z3735F, 2GB of RAM, 32GB SSD, WiFi, USB2, and 6-8 hours of battery life without the need for a spinning fan to get clogged with dirt and overheat, the price of $175 for something like that is totally worth its weight in gold, especially since upstream builds of the Linux kernel are supporting everything inside these machines out of the box if you so want to install Linux instead, or ChromeOS, god help you. but when you can get the same specs in a Winbook TW802 over at MicroCenter for less than 90 bucks if you buy open-box, it just shows how much the Atoms are starting to re-saturate the market for basic computing to come back to the PC off of the tablets, especially with the Winbook tablets, which at that stage are in-betweens; best of both worlds, if you will.
out of the box experience
nice opening section
great review, I kind of wouldn't mind one to connect to my AV receiver and browse sights/use certain programmes at the TV instead of the appleTV or BluRay player
Out Of the Box Experience.
Maybe someone already mentioned this, but you say the only way to record audio is with the built-in mic, however you should be able to either get an external USB audio device, or a USB mic and use that instead.
Wow! It's amazing how cheap and powerful technology is becoming.
Kinda left down this isn't available in 1080p60, but great video as usual
out of box experence
OOBE means Out Of Box Experience and it is the setup where you customize Windows.
Is it possible to install DOS on it?
Mike Hall Thanks Mike. I suppose windows 95 has a decent version of DOS.... Did you try FreeDOS or anything like that?
look at you bub! i respect the fact you're willing to do things like that for folks. of course I am aware that you are probably curious yourself! lol
not natively, it's UEFI. DOS needs BIOS. try DOSBox running fullscreen under windows, or if you're only interested in older DOS software that only needs an 8088 or 80186 try the fake86 emulator.
Interested to hear about the results!
Dosbox is always a good option, still, I'm curious. :)
I'm itching to get one. They should pay you for reviewing this and the U310.
I want to recreate this type of thing but with a pulled-apart keyboard and a Raspberry Pi
the problem i have with Windows 10, is that there no way to change the theme, for example you can't change back to the windows 7 Areo theme or use the Windows classic theme, also you can't play DVD's in Windows 10.
And here I thought I'd somehow cleared the memory of Antonio Stella Bottom Tile from my head.
At first i thought this was just a basic $93 keyboard xD
I love the idea of returning to this form factor personally. This and the Rhino PC. But beyond us retro microcomputer enthusiasts, what is the market? Would make a nice OP spectrum emulator.
similar to some of the 7 and 8" Windows tablets knocking around. Windows 10 is free for OEMs selling at 8" and below, so I assume calling this a 'tablet computer' was their way of getting around legal issues. Nice form factor, though I'd prefer one with a core M, a 64 bit OS and 4 gigs of RAM for another 50-60 bucks, which is totally doable
+wv9mm I have just looked up the specs of the CPU* and it turns out that it doesn't support more than 2GB!*ark.intel.com/products/80274/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735F-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz
+wv9mm You might be surprised how well it works. I've got a Lenovo Ideapad tablet that is so restricted, and while it's a flaming pile of crap in ever other way, the 2GB RAM limit has never actually been a problem under Windows 8.1.
Back when Windows 8 was still not released, but we were waiting for it I commented on a C64 video that I want to see this type of PCs again, someone replied that no one will ever make such a thing.
Whoever you were, I hope you are watching this video now
Can it play full HD video without stutter?
oobe = out of box experience (believe it or not that what oobe actually stands for) means a version of windows is already installed all you have to do is really unpack that version of operating system, setup the computer's operating system with information that it needs to work, and customize it to your liking example setting up the desktop, installing programs, and more
ashens ftw
Out of Body Experience! OOBE!
thanks for replying to my comments like this one : ) !!
These BayTrail processors are "64bit" in quotes. They have a 64bit instruction set, but use a 32bit UEFI loader so you can only boot a 32bit EFI kernel. So it is difficult to get anything other than windows running on them. The lost space is probably your Windows~BT folder from your 1511 update. You can clean that up fairly easily running a disk cleanup wizard.
There are other keyboard PC's out there. Most popular example: the Rasbperry Pi 400.
I forgot I had Spybot Anti-beacon. It has been 2.5 months and everything is still immunized.
oml is this your first NEW computer
Do you know also the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B with wireless Lan and bluetooth ?
I liked this video as soon as I saw Ashens.
I love classic shell That is the first thing I downloaded on this PC and my laptop.
Just for info, your ALT + F2 key combo to take a screenshot is probably a built-in feature of that PC only, or similar PCs that have a Function [fn] key on the keyboard. On a full size keyboard with no Function key, ALT + F2 doesn't do anything. So really you should have expanded upon that by saying it only works on keyboards with a Function key. Not to mention you said at first you would need to press the Function key to use F2 to F12, so really your not pressing F2 at all. Just whatever function the key does without the Function key pressed.
There's many ways to take a screenshot as other comments have already mentioned. My easiest program to use for this is MWSnap, has so much more functionality than the Snipping Tool.
i use windows 8.1 on my computer and i do have the classic menu even though i like the start screen so how about installing 8 on it
These keyboard pc's are interesting! They're just like a laptop but with an external monitor!!
I kinda want one, as it seems like it would work well as an HTPC for me.
You can spend close to $6000 for a medical-grade all-in-one PC from Cybernet. Keyboard PCs start around $600 and can be as high as $3000.
basicly a windows tablet with more IO and a keyboard instead of a touchscreen
And without battery
That has the same specs and bios as my $100 Walmart RCA w101v2 tablet. Again in addition to your warning, I tweaked some bios settings and somehow disabled all of the USB ports which made it very hard to get back into the bios. The touch screen still worked because it used GPIO or SDIO, so "RCA" support showed me how to boot into the bios from windows and I was able to reset the bios.
On sale for $100 now. www.walmart.com/ip/45804385?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227034661106&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=75921318872&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=147377947712&veh=sem
7:36 You need to format the usb drive in FAT32. UEFI only BIOS can't boot from NTFS formatted drives.
I did. Others have mentioned that Linux won't install because this system has a 64-bit CPU but only 32-bit UEFI. But you can patch the Linux installer to make it work: sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/21/installing-ubuntu-15.04-on-baytrail-tablets/
+vwestlife oh ok, i hope it'll work, would be great to see Ubuntu running on this thing :D (Live Mode ofc)