Sponsored by Private Internet Access, Use the following link to access their promotional offer: www.piavpn.com/Perun Apologies for the late release on this one, but thank you to the Patrons who made the final call on what topic would be released this week and delay discussion of the results in the US slightly. I did have to down-scope this video a little which is always sad - I deliberately avoid too much discussion of TBMs and other MRL producers with interesting stories like Brazil, Türkiye, India etc. but I'm sure I'll find an opportunity to bring some of those into future content. I'll also stress the obvious - talking about the performance of Russian systems relative to expectations is very, very different from talking about their overall impact. Russian Rocket artillery is a major threat to Ukrainian forces, it's just a question of why it may not have been even more so given the size of the inventory. Cheers for the support as always, and I'll see you all next week, as it may be (no guarantees, it may be delayed a little longer) time to talk about what recent events in the USA might mean for the war in Ukraine, and to take a broader stock of the state of the war.
Needs an investigation. 1st votes counted are Always repub yet what, this one time everyone vote for k 1st? Allan Lichtman was doing a live stream, look it up mate. Stinks
42:30 Cluster Bomb ATACMS wasn't affected by Russian GPS jamming because it was literally too old to have GPS guidance That's truly a "This sign can't stop me, because I can't read" moment IRL
some iranian warheads actually ditch the electronics and go full mechanical for the last bit of the terminal guidance phase (perhaps part of why they don’t exactly have pinpoint accuracy lol)
Fun fact: It was called "Nebelwerfer" (smoke thrower), because after WW1, Rocket launchers have been forbidden for the germans That's why they officially called it Nebelwerfer, not "Raketenwerfer". So it is not a lag of preciceness, but an attempt to diguise.
The original Nebelwerfer was the 10 cm Nebelwerfer 35, a 10cm mortar. Like the US 4.2in mortar it was intended for chemical troops. Due to the lack of chemical warfare, and the limited need for smoke, both the US and German chemical troops switched to delivering HE. The later 15 cm Nebelwerfer 41, a MBRL, were intended for the same roles.
"These things weren't made to be scapples, they were meant to cause significant emotional events across entire grid squares." I love the quotable snippets.
41:57 Tungsten Rain is the name I will pick up for my new alternative death metal band. Now i only need a singer a guitar player, a drummer and a composer!
I can't sing super well but I can scream into a mic at max volume for 30 minutes straight if that works (I mainly want the other commenters mom's sandwiches)
Sounds great! Until MY new band 'depleted uranium rain' is acknowledged as having superceded your groundbreaking musical efforts. We also need sandwiches 🥪 😋 other commenter's mom. Please. And thanks.
As a measure of how good these really are, FYI a link to one of these videos was posted on the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's leadership library.
Happy you’re sticking to the macro analysis after the events in regards to this weeks err minor global political development. Cheers mate, always appreciate your Powerpoints
I mean he does so much research that I doubt he would be satisfied with anything he’d make in ~5 days. Plus the first few weeks will likely bring some useful flags towards the overall attitude of the administration.
@@DivineFatElf Except that it isn't new. We know what we're getting. The west will be one major power short of a complement, and that power might yet join the anti-western coalition - or be forced into civil war.
Literally the only good thing to happen in my world this week is my trusty PowerPointPalPerun coming through with the goods and dry humor. Bottom of my heart, thanks mate.
if the election is giving you a downer: I found reading the subreddits r/Project2025Award and r/LeopardsAteMyFace very entertaining and schadenfreude inducing. people really didn't care to think of the consequences of their vote it seems.
For those interested, in total the rus Mod claims to have destroyed at least 101 HIMARS and 31 M270s, and to have intercepted at least 4.6k HIMARS projectiles and 229 ATACMS
@@colincampbell4261 Yes but not by shooting down the projectiles or eliminate all the launchers, but instead by using electronic warfare to make them useless.
@@pettahifyno More like by providing soo many good targets that ukraine ran out of ammo Or are very close to And considering this years us support hasnt exacly been the best Its probably just the ammo amount
@@nikolaideianov5092 it probably a mix of both lack of ammo and just wear and tear of thesystem as their constant need everywhere, plus the are confirmed lost and captured of a few unit so it mostly depends on where the eh are and if the can be use this war have ate through weapons of all types extremely fast and western weapons have longer maintenance/ supply lines then Russia and their only so much that can go around
I'm impressed with Perun's German pronunciation, it's quite good for an English speaker. Especially with equipment names being rather unwieldy even for us
@@swang30 Sniper and Thumper were gun artillery, Arrow IV was the sometimes pod-mech based missile artillery system. LRMs really weren't, because everything after BT 1st Edition completely threw away the weapons-system text descriptions! And _why_ couldn't aerotechs carry Arrow IV _ammo_ simply as they would a bomb?
@@davidgoodnow269 You can carry unguided Arrow IV munitions as bombs on fighter hardpoints (see p. 239 Total Warfare and p. 359 Tactical Operations - see "Air Launched Arrow IV")
@ Talking about Omnimechs when discussing the various types of HIMARS munitions and how they basically grant the rocket platform to serve a variety of roles, being able to swap missiles modules in the field
Used by both the British and Americans during the War of 1812, Congreve rockets bursting during the Battle of Ft. McHenry created “the rockets' red glare” that inspired Francis Scott Key to compose “The Star Spangled Banner,” later adopted as the national anthem of the United States.
One would assume that rocket artillery would be the preferred method of delivery of loitering ammunitions, basically quickly saturating an area with flying "mines" for relatively cheap.
Correction: “And given that the Russian Navy these days isn’t really in the business of getting close enough to the Ukrainian coastline to use any of these systems, …” I think you meant: “And given that the Russian Navy these days isn’t really in the business of doing anything much at all, …”
"... or because manually loading 40 launch tubes is considered character building or something..." I swear Perun, more often than not, I have to pause your videos at least once to have a hard laugh at your humor. Bravo.
Slight correction: the Russians have adopted the modular design, just not widely and maybe not in the same way the West has. The BM27M Uragan-M has modular launch modules allowing it to mount either 6x 300mm Smerch tubes or 15x 220mm Uragan tubes on each of two mounts. The Uragan-U is also modular but I've never even heard if it until now and it probably hasn't been adopted. Even the Uragan-M has not seen much production.
25:58 what this reminded me of. *"I am Heavy Weapons Guy...and this is my weapon. She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds."*
"I am Multiple Rocket Launcher Guy, and this is my rocket launcher. She weighs twenty-four metric tons (that's ~53,000 lb in burger unit) and fires one-hundred-and-sixty-seven thousands dollar, custom-made rockets at a rate of twelve rocket every ten seconds. It costs almost twelve million dollars to fire a battery of six of them...for one minute."
Nebelwerfer has been my favourite since 1980, when I got a model kit. Around 1990 while diving in a lake in the Northern Finland my friend encountered a massive amount of ditched Wehrmacht ammo: anything from rifle rounds and handgrenades to Nebelwerfer rockets.
I just wanna give a quick shoutout to two unlikely fellas, Gorbachev and Regan, who did the real heavy lifting in ensuring we don't live in a world with suitcase nukes, and bloody shoulder launched nuclear weapons.
9:18 German literalism took a back seat to Versaille-duping. Just build a lot of weather observation planes if you are not allowed to have military aircraft -> then, when the gloves come off, slap autocannons into the prepared mounts and have an instant airforce. The same way the british "tanks" were actually panzers and not liquid transports.
Or how almost all of the german artillery systems of the interwar period are called "18" to imply they were already in development at the end of the war.
I watch these every Monday morning at work and they seriously make the start of the week so much better. Keep up the amazing work and always excited to see whats coming next!
The doctrine for MLRS was called "area denial". I remember Colin Powell describing it on TV. It is a positive spin on the issue that friends need to stay far away from the target area. But even armoured targets in the area would have a bad day.
You completely glossed over the operational history of the Japanese Type 65 and Type 67 rocket launchers, which proved to be relatively ineffective against Godzilla attacks but still were state-of-the-art.
Well, in my infinite wisdom, I accidentally found myself staying up all night to catch this as it went live. I'll be sure to watch my favorite Aussie Powerpoint presenter a hand full of times on my way through the next 12 hours.
Great contents as ever, My 2 cents worth; 1. Antiship capabilities: This is a great concept. As long as one has ISR assets to assist, 300km from shore is a no go zone for any hostile ships. In particular, if Finland, Estonia has them, Russian naval fleets are as dead as DoDo. A mobile launcher doing 100km/h moving about makes it impossible to predict. The only downside is limited launcher numbers. However, coupled with cluster munitions, this will be an ultimate deterrent for any landing attempts. 2. Antiair role. Koreans are considering anti-air role for their K239 by modifying it a little bit. The data link system is already available, hence using it as a simple launch pad for integrated defence system sounds attainable. The worst part of it is, the adversary has no idea where the AA missiles might come from as the radar may be miles away (EWACS) or even invisible (stealth, eg F35). Interesting thing is, they are trying something similar to NASAMS on MLRS. Korean believe if they can elect their launchers to a higher angle, this should not be too difficult. They are not looking to recreate THAAD but more of IronDome. If all 250 K239 can be equipped with AA missiles, that is equivalent to 30 IronDome batteries. 3. Anti-radiation. The more powerful jammers and radars have range of 300-500km. Which is the exact same range as K239. They are currently developing their own HAARM system and sensors. They also see it feasible to make an anti-radiation system using CMT290 and KTSSM2 (range 500km). The constraints they have is the limited SEAD (suppression of enemy air defence) capabilities and heavy deployment of combat aircraft on high risk SEAD missions at the beginning of a conflict rather than deploying them in more strategic assets. Hence they are actively studying combining existing CTM290 or KTSSM2 (aka CTM500) with antiradiation seeker. Given they aim to acquire over 250 of K239 platforms, 2 or 4 missiles each would undermine enemy radars and jammers in a very short space of time. Given reloading takes less than 3 mins, they can quickly redeploy these assets to other roles vs aircrafts taking 2-3 hours for turnaround. Interesting thing is, this comes back to the point 1 as well. When using anti-ship missiles, if they deploy anti-radiation missiles, the effect can be more efficient as the enemy may become less active in their radar usage. These 3 are currently under R&D. This means multi domain and multi functional evolution for MLRSs going forward.
1. USMC ROGUE fire system uses the Naval Strike Missile and the new PrSM for HIMARS will also have a anti-ship variant with a range of 310 miles. US tested them during RIMPAC. 2. Should be possible since US has used F-35 as AWACS to coordinate with HIMARS to take out ground targets. If the F-35 can be used as AWACS to guide the AIM-174B air to air missile fired from a F-18, so I don't see why it shouldn't be able to do the same with SAM loaded pods.
@@yutahkotomi1195 passive radars are usually not easily detectable, but historically limited in operation because they either could only detect enemy radar signals or needing a friendly active radar to "illuminate" the target with a friendly radar signal (thus making the active radar visible to the enemy ELINT & EW). nowadays, multiple passive radars from several directions could point to a common location, "listen" to the scant signals there, then compare each of their respective findings and combine them into a common picture of that location. that way, the radars have pictured the targets without revealing (or emitting) their own radar signals.
This man perun Should be or suppose to appointed Australia Defense minister or should be NATO Secretary General, I always say that, unfortunately most of the governments are Bureaucratic institutions, nepotism and loyalty to appoint for a political position, Perun keep the struggle you're days will come, thank you very much for educational episodes you offer us every Sunday PerunPowerPoint.
A minister or Secretary General is no dictator ;) You can't decide everything on your own and even if you have the brains, doesn't mean everyone you have to deal with will agree with you...
I don't see why not. He is the best at making a bad situation look good that I see. I mean Trump already told Ukraine to give up giving any land back and focus on peace, which is a basically a surrender. Perun's take is, Russia making slow progress, thing could improve soon, etc. That's a perfect politician.
As Ryan Mcbeth often stated. Don't give your enemy a problem. Given them dilemmas. Problems have a solution, may be painful but a solution. A dilemma you force the enemy to make choices none of the choices are good. You force the enemy nake choices, not instantly react and counter. If you can get inside their decision loop and respond faster you deal extreme punishment for their planned doctrine response. Ie you use one HIMARS to prevoke counter battery from the enemy long range rocket artillery. You have drone and anti artillery radar track the new launchers and respond with your longer range pods. Dilemmas, the Russians know you can do this, risk to take out a HIMARS, don't respond lose your chance. To take the chance you need to release to local commanders of a strategic assets, change your entire command structure, Don't change keep losing valuable assests with no response.
Another great informative video. You have helped so many people understand warfare and weapons of war beyond just the stats and the basic information but also the politics, finance, and impact on countries. Keep up the great work and videos
Man, no wonder Germany stuck to classical music for most of it's history. The word is just the thing. I don't think rap battles would have ever been invented in Germany in a thousand years.
Ah yes, the Reichsluftfahrtministerium... The ministerium of the Reich which was responsible for lufting the fahrts. (I actually genuinely like the German language and their fondness for naming things with complex compound words. If nothing else, it brings amusement when people who are unfamiliar with Deutsche try to pronounce them!)
Feedback: when you’re quoting long pieces, such as the MLRS employment concept, could you zoom in on the piece you’re quoting from? I think you’ve done it before - on longer quotations like this I personally enjoy reading it along with your voiceover.
Can you please do a video on logistics in a potential WW3 scenario? Specifically, I’m asking in regards to supply chains for weapon & vehicle production, seeing as a lot of them seem to have very large supply chains that rely on areas of the world that are likely to be invaded pretty early on in a potential conflict.
Had to remember to take a break when listening to this chap as the rate of detail and info tsunami ls overwhelming. I bet he could kill at a after dinner speech (can you imagine having him do a best man talk?) 👍
According to Pentagon officials, North Koreans in Russia have become addicted to *orn after getting access to the internet for the first time. *"This is our Battle of the Bulge"* - Hardened NK soldier
That is just useless info. Every teen in the US gos through the same thing. As did people who were alive before the internet existed. Like, age 50 and up. It had no effect militarily.
@johnnykrauze I don't want to go through too much about porn addiction because I'm mostly here to make juvenile puns. However, I want to point out how this could be more of a problem for these isolated individuals. Even basic things like gay Koreans seeing homsexuality for the first time or unrealistic Western beauty standards by people who won't meet Western women.
Thanks Perun - This vid shows how a huge leap forward in Tactical Capabilities the HIMARS was/is and even up to a few years ago when first used in Ukraine was a massive gamechanger against orcs.
9:09 Thank you so much for not being a revisionist who thinks they were only smoke launchers! I have gotten so tired of seeing that falsely attributed to it too often in what are supposed to be historical documentarys... They were called smoke throwers because of the amount of rocket exhaust that stayed around for awhile after launch, making moving immediately after launch vital. They were also originally designed to lob chemical warfare shells but those shells never were used at scale if at all.
There is also the theory that the nebelwerfer, was called nebelwerfer, because one of the leading solid fuel rocket developers (in the 1930th) was called "Nebel" . One of his students was werner von braun. But if it's true is contested
@PerunAU Just so you know, the W54 warhead on the Davy Crockett was extremely unsafe. If one of those took artillery shrapnel, a stray bullet, or caught fire in a vehicle rollover, the high explosives would detonate, causing a "fizzle". Not a full-scale nuke, but... Y'know. It was also fragile, heavy, and if it broke apart it would scatter highly toxic plutonium everywhere. In fact, it was so unsafe, it didn't have a rocket motor on board. The W54 was launched by an aluminum plunger that punted the warhead downrange.
@Muljinn it was still powered by an explosive charge, just not directly. The charge moved the plunger which propelled the warhead, while keeping the blast isolated from the warhead
When the manual says "vacate area _immediately_ after firing", you'd best do what it says. Given the choice, I'd probably still prefer to huck a Davy Crockett rather than a flamethrower across a battlefield. If a stray bit of shrapnel met the equipment, at least you wouldn't be around long enough to be aware of it, as opposed to... y'know.
One issue with the "pod" concept though, is that they pods are NOT reusable. They tend to warp during the launch due to overpressure which makes them a 1 use disposable item. Considering the amount of material and effort required to make those pods, there's a LOT of waste involved. This makes it more expensive to make the missiles because you not only have to fab the missiles but also the pods for each one. (I've toured one of the GMLRs assembly lines and asked that specific question and was shocked when I got that answer.)
That's true, now; the original pods were designed to be "reconditioned" then recertified and reloaded. This is another place where the creep of factory technicians into the active duty systems is a potentially crippling hindrance as a result of poor contracting. I have personally been involved in the disposal of thousands of reloads for the, what's it, M-217 or whatever, that were staged for battlefield use and then abandoned.
I'm not an expert but a lot of those pods seem to look like just simple metal frames with metal tubes. I'd imagine they should be a lot cheaper than the rockets that they contain.
Actually it makes perfect sense... Look at the commercial shipping equivalent.. The Steel shipping container.. After a sea voyage they are mostly abandoned after their arrival at the destination, they are reused for other stuff but in an ad hoc way. No one is shipping those containers back to China to be refilled. (Only around europe or America by truck). I think that's the future for rocket artillery. You fill an entire container with rockets at the factory preset with tubes and holes on top for firing; drive them to a location; unload them and drive away. Then fire them remotely and leave the container to absorb any return fire. Then go back to the factory/distribution centre for another one. Rinse and repeat.... If you can get the cost of the rockets down somehow, you could produce millions. In particular I am thinking of Ukraine being able to counter Russian artillery advantages They would need 50km range, 50m precision , and 2 or 3 types of warheads, HE, Shrapnel and Thermobaric. How cheap could you get with those requirements... Maybe not very, but phones these days have gyroscopes/accelerometers that could be used for a rough (50/100m fix), and GPS.. Jamming only in the terminal phase... Could you bring the cost of the tube/fuel/ rocket motor etc... down enough if you specify it only has to last 3 months, and you specify that 1 failure in 100 rockets is acceptable. Then manufacture them across europe.
Using your limited bandwidth to ship a bunch of tubes back to be reloaded isn't worth the effort. Making them reusable also come with increased weight. The cost of the pod is a tiny fraction of the missiles. A pod of 6 GIMLARS worth say $600K, if the box costs $10K, that works out to 1.6%. You also have to ship the missile from the US which means you have to put them in some kind of protective box.... It would be like asking Soldiers to collet their brass, ammo cans or ATGM tubes to reload.
@qbi4614 haha. That makes it even more intriguing. I so want to know what peru n looks like. He has spent so much time in my house over the last fee years
@26:02 If u hear or made that rough Calculation, u might wonder why Poland ordered 500 MLRS-Platforms. U either need an insane Storage of Missiles or an astronomical Production Capacity to feed 500 Launchers during War.
500 is probably including spare parts, training models, redundancies and being the final amount is probably to be spread over several years... All in all it's a considerable order but I doubt they are planning of having 500 MRLS all together in active service at the same time, though that would make for quite a noisy week of war for sure😂
You both make good points. Remember though, that Russia began its attacks, both before WW II in the Baltic and Poland, and in 2014 and 2022, with strikes against storage, from ammunition storage to armories where weapons are kept to depots where platforms (aircraft, tanks, artillery) are stored and maintained. I suspect Poland is ordering so many, because they logically expect large losses to their MLRS platforms as the first notice something is going on. Lots of dispersion means some might survive to usefulness, protected by Territorial troops alert to suspicious activities. Let's say Poland buys one load of each type from Korea for each launcher, and another of each type the U.S.A. has made, and whatever new compatible types are manufactured in future; and suffers 80% losses of both munitions and launchers in the first day. That's still an aweful lot of pain the remaining launchers can deliver.
Perhaps Poland does not want to fight a 3-year war on their own territory due to an artillery overmatch not in their favour. "Shoot twice and go home" ring any bells?
Poland is not buying 500. That is a pie in the sky number that will never happen. It was a little bit of the ruling party's (at the time) propaganda. But they will have a huge amount and produce their own ammunition by license.
I would expect to see someone make a medium- to long-range artillery rocket that uses inertial navigation -- or possibly some terrain-matching guidance on a missile -- to deliver cluster munitions to grid squares. Doesn't get jammed, works for deep targets like depots and airfields, more cost-effective and survivable to deploy than any other system; probably the same form-factor of box as the ballistic anti-ship missiles, making corvettes and cutters potential platforms. That would suggest the next box would be a Surface-to-Air Anti-Anything missile -- or missiles, with higher capacities of narrower missiles with more limited range being a shipboard-loadable option for different environments: long-range anti-missile missiles for defense of unorganized civilian shipping in the Straight of Hormuz, medium-range anti-drone/anti-rocket/anti-missile missiles, shorter-range boxes to defend a ship or convoy under escort from drone swarms. Change mission, and you change boxes. ASROC?
My understanding is that the rockets launched by HIMARS do actually have inertial guidance so they should still have decent (but lower) accuracy even in the face of GPS jamming.
@@davidgoodnow269 I think you're mistaken at least Wikipedia says: "In addition to GPS guidance, GMLRS rockets have an inertial navigation system which, by definition, cannot be jammed, but it is less precise alone than when it is coupled with GPS guidance." So the newer rockets have both inertial and GPS navigation. I'd assume the same goes for ATACMS.
@@davidgoodnow269 A factsheet by Lockheed Martin on GMLRS says the following: "Guidance: Inertial Navigation System w/Global Positioning System" This seems like a reliable source for the fact that they use hybrid guidance, not GPS alone. I'll give you a direct link in a separate comment so that this one doesn't get removed.
Excellent presentation as ever. Look forward to your analysis on the US catastrophe - might be best to wait a few more weeks & let some "things" happen.
It might influence some purchasing decisions in Europe regardless of what actually happens with US-NATO relations. AFAIK Lockheed does not allow 3rd parties to produce ammo for M270/HIMARS. And looking at the focus on control of supply chains, there may very well be a push for MBDA/SAAB/Kongsberg/NAMMO et.al to be able to produce European sourced guided rockets (And integating new MLRS systems with eg. NSM/RBS15/Exocet for coastal defense). So this might be a hard push to either go for a cooperation with ROK, who are usually keen on tech transfer and expansion of capabilities, or a separate European product. The problem with the last bit is obviously development timelines.
@@karstenhoff9158 Indeed, as an ex-european my thoughts exactly. In the words of a famous journalist "An agonizing reappraisal of the situation was required"
@@kalinmir Yeah, I love those, but they are mostly focused one one base at a time. Perun makes excellent summaries of their data, cross the whole front. But its been some 3 months since the last Perun-summary of remaining equipment, or at least it feels that long :-)
The moment the Royal Australian Artillery Corps heard Perun mention the possible future of any of their systems the began slowly pointing their guns a Perun's general location. When it came to pass that he wasn't going to say anything too radical they returned to whatever it is they spend their days doing.
23:32 USA, France, Germany, and UK can't even agree on the same rifle and pistol caliber to use, let alone standard NATO-wide infantry small arms (*cough* P90 debacle *cough*). Yet M270 being so good it became a near universal de facto standard NATO-wide MLRS is impressive.
Except that the M-15, SA-80, FN-MAS and the G-36 all use the 5.56x45mm while the 9x19mm is the common pistol round and the 7.62x51mm is the medium machine gun that they all use. The P90 was never intended as a replacement for an assault rifle. It was meant to be issued to those soldiers whose primary job isn’t to shoot a rifle, like tank and artillery crew. If either of those are shooting their rifle something has gone wrong already.
Same as 105mm for tank cannons and 155mm for howitzers and 81mm and 120mm for mortars: there might be a huge variety of ammunition with all kinds of different trajectories, but everyone can _fire_ everything! Even the transition to 120mm tank guns and divergence there had a reason: Chieftain and Challenger were supposed to deliver longer-ranged high-accuracy supporting fires to the range-limited Abrams and Leopard II; while the French kept the 105mm gun, they developed a depleted uranium FSAPDS-D -DU round for it that matched the penetration of the Abrams', but at half the range. France considered this acceptable on two bases: limited cost, and the fact that a war would have to be very deep beyond the open Fulda Gap, and in amongst mixed terrain, villages, and even cities, by the time France arrived. Most of Europe's bridges cannot take an Abrams or Chieftain!
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Apologies for the late release on this one, but thank you to the Patrons who made the final call on what topic would be released this week and delay discussion of the results in the US slightly.
I did have to down-scope this video a little which is always sad - I deliberately avoid too much discussion of TBMs and other MRL producers with interesting stories like Brazil, Türkiye, India etc. but I'm sure I'll find an opportunity to bring some of those into future content. I'll also stress the obvious - talking about the performance of Russian systems relative to expectations is very, very different from talking about their overall impact. Russian Rocket artillery is a major threat to Ukrainian forces, it's just a question of why it may not have been even more so given the size of the inventory.
Cheers for the support as always, and I'll see you all next week, as it may be (no guarantees, it may be delayed a little longer) time to talk about what recent events in the USA might mean for the war in Ukraine, and to take a broader stock of the state of the war.
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Needs an investigation. 1st votes counted are Always repub yet what, this one time everyone vote for k 1st? Allan Lichtman was doing a live stream, look it up mate. Stinks
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Hi Perun, I'm a Poor Boy. My Patreon support is limited to Semi-witty comments. Sorry.
No, that one didn't count. 😉 Sorry again.
42:30 Cluster Bomb ATACMS wasn't affected by Russian GPS jamming because it was literally too old to have GPS guidance
That's truly a "This sign can't stop me, because I can't read" moment IRL
Can't hear the noise if you were born deaf
some iranian warheads actually ditch the electronics and go full mechanical for the last bit of the terminal guidance phase (perhaps part of why they don’t exactly have pinpoint accuracy lol)
Good old inertial guidance
everything's coming up milhouse!
@nekomakhea9440 ahh, "I see" said the blind man...
Fun fact: It was called "Nebelwerfer" (smoke thrower), because after WW1, Rocket launchers have been forbidden for the germans
That's why they officially called it Nebelwerfer, not "Raketenwerfer". So it is not a lag of preciceness, but an attempt to diguise.
Indeed, German circumvention of treaties is frequently glazed over as something that happened, but not often discussed how they did it.
And it translates more like fog thrower (Nebel=fog, rauch=smoke)
Nebel is the correct german military term for smoke.
The original Nebelwerfer was the 10 cm Nebelwerfer 35, a 10cm mortar. Like the US 4.2in mortar it was intended for chemical troops.
Due to the lack of chemical warfare, and the limited need for smoke, both the US and German chemical troops switched to delivering HE.
The later 15 cm Nebelwerfer 41, a MBRL, were intended for the same roles.
"If it's covered in fog then we can't see it"
KABOOM
"I can't see any tanks over there anymore sir"
"These things weren't made to be scapples, they were meant to cause significant emotional events across entire grid squares." I love the quotable snippets.
i don't know if i love them or hate them to be honest 😂
Cramped laughing at that one, as a former infantryman....
Chieften-ism. I love when my favorite creators overlap and mesh. Tex from The Black Pants Legion also bleeds over and crosses.
The Taiwan Strait unit of measurement joke was great.
for anyone outside the Taiwan
It wasn't a joke
If you like computers, smart phones, satellites, car electronics and other modern conveniences it's a very real and very important unit of measure.
Let's call it an alarming concept, thinly veiled in grim humor.
As an American, I appreciate any use of measurement outside the metric system.
The French don't love wheels
They hate doing what everyone else is doing
Thus the cesar canon being on wheels... 😅
The world's foremost edgelord
They were expeditionary forces for a long time. So most of theirs are on wheels
@@aleonard8272more like hipster imo
The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French.
41:57 Tungsten Rain is the name I will pick up for my new alternative death metal band. Now i only need a singer a guitar player, a drummer and a composer!
I can provide my mom's garage as a rehearsal space. She will probably make us sandwiches, too.
I can't sing super well but I can scream into a mic at max volume for 30 minutes straight if that works (I mainly want the other commenters mom's sandwiches)
Sounds great! Until MY new band 'depleted uranium rain' is acknowledged as having superceded your groundbreaking musical efforts.
We also need sandwiches 🥪 😋 other commenter's mom. Please. And thanks.
G'day,
"And, now, let's hear a cheer for
'Volcanic Acne !'
Busting onto the Stage...!"
Adolescent Musical Humour
From the
1970s...
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Ciao !
Genre: soy metal
As a measure of how good these really are, FYI a link to one of these videos was posted on the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's leadership library.
Happy you’re sticking to the macro analysis after the events in regards to this weeks err minor global political development. Cheers mate, always appreciate your Powerpoints
I mean he does so much research that I doubt he would be satisfied with anything he’d make in ~5 days.
Plus the first few weeks will likely bring some useful flags towards the overall attitude of the administration.
@ agreed, it’s far too early for any comprehensive view of the incoming administration to be formed
@@DivineFatElf Except that it isn't new. We know what we're getting. The west will be one major power short of a complement, and that power might yet join the anti-western coalition - or be forced into civil war.
Got to read through Project 2025 for Ukraine references.
Because everyone's thinking it:
hello biden
itz zelensky
Literally the only good thing to happen in my world this week is my trusty PowerPointPalPerun coming through with the goods and dry humor. Bottom of my heart, thanks mate.
Dude that's rough. Do you want me to send you pictures of my cats?
if the election is giving you a downer: I found reading the subreddits r/Project2025Award and r/LeopardsAteMyFace very entertaining and schadenfreude inducing. people really didn't care to think of the consequences of their vote it seems.
@@Oberon4278 That's an incredibly kind offer! I'll pass for now, as my supply of pet photos runs deep, but I'll tag you if I change my mind.
lmao
you must have a miserable life man
For those interested, in total the rus Mod claims to have destroyed at least 101 HIMARS and 31 M270s, and to have intercepted at least 4.6k HIMARS projectiles and 229 ATACMS
Lol
Well - you don't hear much about them anymore. Ruzzia seems too have nuetralised them.
@@colincampbell4261 Yes but not by shooting down the projectiles or eliminate all the launchers, but instead by using electronic warfare to make them useless.
@@pettahifyno
More like by providing soo many good targets that ukraine ran out of ammo
Or are very close to
And considering this years us support hasnt exacly been the best
Its probably just the ammo amount
@@nikolaideianov5092 it probably a mix of both lack of ammo and just wear and tear of thesystem as their constant need everywhere, plus the are confirmed lost and captured of a few unit so it mostly depends on where the eh are and if the can be use this war have ate through weapons of all types extremely fast and western weapons have longer maintenance/ supply lines then Russia and their only so much that can go around
I'm impressed with Perun's German pronunciation, it's quite good for an English speaker. Especially with equipment names being rather unwieldy even for us
21:59 Mentioning OmniMechs in a video about rocket artillery.
Well done.
ER LRM6 😂
@@rlin That's very ER... Even in-universe, Snipers and Thumpers aren't in omni pods.
@@swang30 Sniper and Thumper were gun artillery, Arrow IV was the sometimes pod-mech based missile artillery system. LRMs really weren't, because everything after BT 1st Edition completely threw away the weapons-system text descriptions!
And _why_ couldn't aerotechs carry Arrow IV _ammo_ simply as they would a bomb?
@@davidgoodnow269 You can carry unguided Arrow IV munitions as bombs on fighter hardpoints (see p. 239 Total Warfare and p. 359 Tactical Operations - see "Air Launched Arrow IV")
I'm loving the increase in little BT references across the videos.
World: So how much fire support do you need?
Ukraine: YES!
Everything
World: Too bad we can't provide it. US: Nice try Ukraine. See you later, China is our real concern. EU: Wait, what?
„Well thats too much, here have 2 guns“
cringe
Russia is out producing the rest of the world combined when it comes to rocket artillery
Anyone else get a big happy when Perun references Battletech concepts when discussing real world military history and technology?
to the extreme
me
no
Wait, which ones? 👀
Did I miss them? 😅🙈
@ Talking about Omnimechs when discussing the various types of HIMARS munitions and how they basically grant the rocket platform to serve a variety of roles, being able to swap missiles modules in the field
Tank fans, and helicopter fans have had a lot to talk about this conflict. It's nice to finally see team rocket is blasting off again!
🚀 👩🎤😸👨🎤
😂
I mean, especially when they arrived the HIMARS systems really did embody the slogan "Prepare for trouble - and make it double!"
Mmmmm, PowerPoint time
I hope one day it will be Impress Presentation from Libreoffice time.
war is over, showels won
I love the taste of PowerPoints and croissants
Used by both the British and Americans during the War of 1812, Congreve rockets bursting during the Battle of Ft. McHenry created “the rockets' red glare” that inspired Francis Scott Key to compose “The Star Spangled Banner,” later adopted as the national anthem of the United States.
One would assume that rocket artillery would be the preferred method of delivery of loitering ammunitions, basically quickly saturating an area with flying "mines" for relatively cheap.
I imagine the future mlrs systems armed with a couple dozen rocket launched drones will be the instant coffee version of a fighter jet wing
Either that or air-based carriers.
Or a "drone" autonomous HIMARS that launches cluster missiles filled with, you guessed it, a whole mess of autonomous one-way quad copter drones. 🤯
We have Stukas at home.
Stukas at home: 10:42
hehe good one
Correction:
“And given that the Russian Navy these days isn’t really in the business of getting close enough to the Ukrainian coastline to use any of these systems, …”
I think you meant:
“And given that the Russian Navy these days isn’t really in the business of doing anything much at all, …”
They are building in Georgia off the Black Sea.
They launch ballistic and cruise missiles into Odessa and other regions of Ukraine.
@@richardarriaga6271 Yes in abkhazia
They rust pretty well.
22:00 that tracks. The U.S. tech advantage generally is on par with clan vs. Inner sphere tech.
Does the US also have Elementals?
@@maxpower3990 we've been working on it since the late 2000s. The battery tech for exoskeletons isn't quite there.
@@Nejiranu they’ve got jetpacks now, though
@@Iden_in_the_Rain in a similar problem with the exoskeletons actually. Fuel density makes them highly impractical,
@@Nejiranudon’t crush my dreams bro, it’s real
I remember hearing the M270 being called the divional general's personal shotgun.
Tom Clancy ftw.
Not sure if that was red storm rising or Bear and the Dragon.
Ach, could even have been executive orders (I bet I got the title wrong, bah).
A more modern metaphor might be The General's Personal Delete Key.
"Major, that grid square is in error. Kindly delete it at once."
"Right away Sir!"
"... or because manually loading 40 launch tubes is considered character building or something..."
I swear Perun, more often than not, I have to pause your videos at least once to have a hard laugh at your humor. Bravo.
Slight correction: the Russians have adopted the modular design, just not widely and maybe not in the same way the West has. The BM27M Uragan-M has modular launch modules allowing it to mount either 6x 300mm Smerch tubes or 15x 220mm Uragan tubes on each of two mounts. The Uragan-U is also modular but I've never even heard if it until now and it probably hasn't been adopted. Even the Uragan-M has not seen much production.
25:58 what this reminded me of.
*"I am Heavy Weapons Guy...and this is my weapon. She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds."*
You caught the reference too😂😂
We ever figure out who touched Heavy's gun?
@@scotchbingeington6761 probably scout😂😂
"I am Multiple Rocket Launcher Guy, and this is my rocket launcher. She weighs twenty-four metric tons (that's ~53,000 lb in burger unit) and fires one-hundred-and-sixty-seven thousands dollar, custom-made rockets at a rate of twelve rocket every ten seconds. It costs almost twelve million dollars to fire a battery of six of them...for one minute."
Sunday routine to watch this
Instant thumbs up for Battletech reference.
It's good that WH4k doesn't get all the glory.
@@seneca983 BattleTech at least tries to be semi-realistic. 40K is just satire. :)
@@tkfsung A lot of the technology in BattleTech isn't even close to realistic but the society in it is probably more so.
Nebelwerfer has been my favourite since 1980, when I got a model kit. Around 1990 while diving in a lake in the Northern Finland my friend encountered a massive amount of ditched Wehrmacht ammo: anything from rifle rounds and handgrenades to Nebelwerfer rockets.
Did the police handle that or did they call in the defence forces?
More importantly, was the ammo still usable, and did you test it?
I just wanna give a quick shoutout to two unlikely fellas, Gorbachev and Regan, who did the real heavy lifting in ensuring we don't live in a world with suitcase nukes, and bloody shoulder launched nuclear weapons.
Modern blessing: May your weekly PowerPoints be as enthusiastically received as those of Saint Perun.
“It’s the best Job ever!”
Listening to Perun speak over a PowerPoint presentation!
9:18
German literalism took a back seat to Versaille-duping.
Just build a lot of weather observation planes if you are not allowed to have military aircraft -> then, when the gloves come off, slap autocannons into the prepared mounts and have an instant airforce.
The same way the british "tanks" were actually panzers and not liquid transports.
Or they were literal but literal to modern slang. “You don’t want this smoke.”
They literally asked for a fast passenger twin engine plane that could be easily converted to a bomber plane, the He -111.
Or how almost all of the german artillery systems of the interwar period are called "18" to imply they were already in development at the end of the war.
@@dbul2542 But if we want to be really nitpicky, "Nebel" actually means "mist" rather than "smoke".
German panzer where "Großtraktoren"
I watch these every Monday morning at work and they seriously make the start of the week so much better. Keep up the amazing work and always excited to see whats coming next!
The doctrine for MLRS was called "area denial". I remember Colin Powell describing it on TV. It is a positive spin on the issue that friends need to stay far away from the target area. But even armoured targets in the area would have a bad day.
Another great report. Well done Perun, keep up the good work.
Finally photos from a place I’ve visited!
Namely the artillery museum in Petersburg. The stuff looked pretty well maintained in 2019.
It night not be as full now...
You completely glossed over the operational history of the Japanese Type 65 and Type 67 rocket launchers, which proved to be relatively ineffective against Godzilla attacks but still were state-of-the-art.
Well, in my infinite wisdom, I accidentally found myself staying up all night to catch this as it went live. I'll be sure to watch my favorite Aussie Powerpoint presenter a hand full of times on my way through the next 12 hours.
I wonder if the reason modularity was such a huge focus for the LCS was because of the success of these pod systems
Great contents as ever,
My 2 cents worth;
1. Antiship capabilities: This is a great concept. As long as one has ISR assets to assist, 300km from shore is a no go zone for any hostile ships. In particular, if Finland, Estonia has them, Russian naval fleets are as dead as DoDo. A mobile launcher doing 100km/h moving about makes it impossible to predict. The only downside is limited launcher numbers. However, coupled with cluster munitions, this will be an ultimate deterrent for any landing attempts.
2. Antiair role. Koreans are considering anti-air role for their K239 by modifying it a little bit. The data link system is already available, hence using it as a simple launch pad for integrated defence system sounds attainable. The worst part of it is, the adversary has no idea where the AA missiles might come from as the radar may be miles away (EWACS) or even invisible (stealth, eg F35). Interesting thing is, they are trying something similar to NASAMS on MLRS. Korean believe if they can elect their launchers to a higher angle, this should not be too difficult. They are not looking to recreate THAAD but more of IronDome. If all 250 K239 can be equipped with AA missiles, that is equivalent to 30 IronDome batteries.
3. Anti-radiation. The more powerful jammers and radars have range of 300-500km. Which is the exact same range as K239. They are currently developing their own HAARM system and sensors. They also see it feasible to make an anti-radiation system using CMT290 and KTSSM2 (range 500km). The constraints they have is the limited SEAD (suppression of enemy air defence) capabilities and heavy deployment of combat aircraft on high risk SEAD missions at the beginning of a conflict rather than deploying them in more strategic assets. Hence they are actively studying combining existing CTM290 or KTSSM2 (aka CTM500) with antiradiation seeker. Given they aim to acquire over 250 of K239 platforms, 2 or 4 missiles each would undermine enemy radars and jammers in a very short space of time. Given reloading takes less than 3 mins, they can quickly redeploy these assets to other roles vs aircrafts taking 2-3 hours for turnaround. Interesting thing is, this comes back to the point 1 as well. When using anti-ship missiles, if they deploy anti-radiation missiles, the effect can be more efficient as the enemy may become less active in their radar usage.
These 3 are currently under R&D. This means multi domain and multi functional evolution for MLRSs going forward.
1. USMC ROGUE fire system uses the Naval Strike Missile and the new PrSM for HIMARS will also have a anti-ship variant with a range of 310 miles. US tested them during RIMPAC.
2. Should be possible since US has used F-35 as AWACS to coordinate with HIMARS to take out ground targets. If the F-35 can be used as AWACS to guide the AIM-174B air to air missile fired from a F-18, so I don't see why it shouldn't be able to do the same with SAM loaded pods.
How do you make a radar invisible??? Isn't that impossible?
@@yutahkotomi1195 passive radars are usually not easily detectable, but historically limited in operation because they either could only detect enemy radar signals or needing a friendly active radar to "illuminate" the target with a friendly radar signal (thus making the active radar visible to the enemy ELINT & EW).
nowadays, multiple passive radars from several directions could point to a common location, "listen" to the scant signals there, then compare each of their respective findings and combine them into a common picture of that location.
that way, the radars have pictured the targets without revealing (or emitting) their own radar signals.
This man perun Should be or suppose to appointed Australia Defense minister or should be NATO Secretary General, I always say that, unfortunately most of the governments are Bureaucratic institutions, nepotism and loyalty to appoint for a political position, Perun keep the struggle you're days will come, thank you very much for educational episodes you offer us every Sunday PerunPowerPoint.
He's got far too much common sense to be appointed to the role.
A minister or Secretary General is no dictator ;) You can't decide everything on your own and even if you have the brains, doesn't mean everyone you have to deal with will agree with you...
I don't see why not. He is the best at making a bad situation look good that I see. I mean Trump already told Ukraine to give up giving any land back and focus on peace, which is a basically a surrender. Perun's take is, Russia making slow progress, thing could improve soon, etc. That's a perfect politician.
As Ryan Mcbeth often stated. Don't give your enemy a problem. Given them dilemmas. Problems have a solution, may be painful but a solution. A dilemma you force the enemy to make choices none of the choices are good. You force the enemy nake choices, not instantly react and counter. If you can get inside their decision loop and respond faster you deal extreme punishment for their planned doctrine response. Ie you use one HIMARS to prevoke counter battery from the enemy long range rocket artillery. You have drone and anti artillery radar track the new launchers and respond with your longer range pods. Dilemmas, the Russians know you can do this, risk to take out a HIMARS, don't respond lose your chance. To take the chance you need to release to local commanders of a strategic assets, change your entire command structure, Don't change keep losing valuable assests with no response.
God damn, you are so smart for parroting Ryan.
Conundrum
A Cluster munition loaded with chemical weapons - When you need speedrun the Geneva Suggestion
'Omnimech' thank you.
Another great informative video. You have helped so many people understand warfare and weapons of war beyond just the stats and the basic information but also the politics, finance, and impact on countries. Keep up the great work and videos
9:08 Ah the nebelwerfers. The thing that werfs nebels.
Ah the panzerkampfwagen, wagen that is panzer in which you kampf
There's also the Gebirgsflugzeugabwherkanone. It's a kanone that abwehrs flugzeugs in a gebirge.
Reading my internal monologue without me writing it is unusual.
Man, no wonder Germany stuck to classical music for most of it's history. The word is just the thing. I don't think rap battles would have ever been invented in Germany in a thousand years.
Ah yes, the Reichsluftfahrtministerium... The ministerium of the Reich which was responsible for lufting the fahrts.
(I actually genuinely like the German language and their fondness for naming things with complex compound words. If nothing else, it brings amusement when people who are unfamiliar with Deutsche try to pronounce them!)
Feedback: when you’re quoting long pieces, such as the MLRS employment concept, could you zoom in on the piece you’re quoting from? I think you’ve done it before - on longer quotations like this I personally enjoy reading it along with your voiceover.
Just read the 6-60
@ My English isn’t good enough for neither finding it or understanding it without some vocal help.
Can you please do a video on logistics in a potential WW3 scenario? Specifically, I’m asking in regards to supply chains for weapon & vehicle production, seeing as a lot of them seem to have very large supply chains that rely on areas of the world that are likely to be invaded pretty early on in a potential conflict.
Had to remember to take a break when listening to this chap as the rate of detail and info tsunami ls overwhelming. I bet he could kill at a after dinner speech (can you imagine having him do a best man talk?) 👍
"Omnimech"
*BATTLETECH REFERENCE DETECTED*
Once again awesome video, I certainly understand many of the ins and outs of rocket artillery and its uses on the battlefield.
31:04 "Danger close for MRLS M26 (unguided cluster munitions) rockets is 2 km."
Dear Zip Code: you're about to enter the "Find Out" stage
Finally, Sunday returns for my weekly blast of vital information. Thanks Perun.
Loved the extensive history segment.
Thank you. I always appreciate your commentary.
nice omnimech reference
Excellent work in a very important but arcane subject. As always, thank you for your work.
According to Pentagon officials, North Koreans in Russia have become addicted to *orn after getting access to the internet for the first time.
*"This is our Battle of the Bulge"*
- Hardened NK soldier
Russia asked for infantry, but got seamen instead
“Time to man up!”
That is just useless info. Every teen in the US gos through the same thing. As did people who were alive before the internet existed. Like, age 50 and up. It had no effect militarily.
@johnnykrauze I don't want to go through too much about porn addiction because I'm mostly here to make juvenile puns.
However, I want to point out how this could be more of a problem for these isolated individuals. Even basic things like gay Koreans seeing homsexuality for the first time or unrealistic Western beauty standards by people who won't meet Western women.
@johnnykrauze are you assuming none of those soldiers will be returning to North Korea?
Thanks Perun - This vid shows how a huge leap forward in Tactical Capabilities the HIMARS was/is and even up to a few years ago when first used in Ukraine was a massive gamechanger against orcs.
9:09 Thank you so much for not being a revisionist who thinks they were only smoke launchers! I have gotten so tired of seeing that falsely attributed to it too often in what are supposed to be historical documentarys... They were called smoke throwers because of the amount of rocket exhaust that stayed around for awhile after launch, making moving immediately after launch vital. They were also originally designed to lob chemical warfare shells but those shells never were used at scale if at all.
That makes the name of "fog thrower" even more pertinent
There is also the theory that the nebelwerfer, was called nebelwerfer, because one of the leading solid fuel rocket developers (in the 1930th) was called "Nebel" . One of his students was werner von braun. But if it's true is contested
Another excellent show, and your timing is impeccable.
@PerunAU Just so you know, the W54 warhead on the Davy Crockett was extremely unsafe. If one of those took artillery shrapnel, a stray bullet, or caught fire in a vehicle rollover, the high explosives would detonate, causing a "fizzle". Not a full-scale nuke, but... Y'know. It was also fragile, heavy, and if it broke apart it would scatter highly toxic plutonium everywhere. In fact, it was so unsafe, it didn't have a rocket motor on board. The W54 was launched by an aluminum plunger that punted the warhead downrange.
Sooo… a Fatman Mk 1?
@Muljinn it was still powered by an explosive charge, just not directly. The charge moved the plunger which propelled the warhead, while keeping the blast isolated from the warhead
"I'm not gonna fire it. You fire it!"
"I'm not gonna fire it."
"I know, let's get Mikey!"
When the manual says "vacate area _immediately_ after firing", you'd best do what it says. Given the choice, I'd probably still prefer to huck a Davy Crockett rather than a flamethrower across a battlefield. If a stray bit of shrapnel met the equipment, at least you wouldn't be around long enough to be aware of it, as opposed to... y'know.
Your delivery, especially your very dry humor & sarcasm; makes your videos fun to watch.v😂😂😂
One issue with the "pod" concept though, is that they pods are NOT reusable. They tend to warp during the launch due to overpressure which makes them a 1 use disposable item. Considering the amount of material and effort required to make those pods, there's a LOT of waste involved. This makes it more expensive to make the missiles because you not only have to fab the missiles but also the pods for each one. (I've toured one of the GMLRs assembly lines and asked that specific question and was shocked when I got that answer.)
That's true, now; the original pods were designed to be "reconditioned" then recertified and reloaded. This is another place where the creep of factory technicians into the active duty systems is a potentially crippling hindrance as a result of poor contracting.
I have personally been involved in the disposal of thousands of reloads for the, what's it, M-217 or whatever, that were staged for battlefield use and then abandoned.
I'm not an expert but a lot of those pods seem to look like just simple metal frames with metal tubes. I'd imagine they should be a lot cheaper than the rockets that they contain.
@ there’s more to them than you think/realize. I can’t go into details, but the construction is not just a simple
Box frame and a tube.
Actually it makes perfect sense... Look at the commercial shipping equivalent.. The Steel shipping container.. After a sea voyage they are mostly abandoned after their arrival at the destination, they are reused for other stuff but in an ad hoc way. No one is shipping those containers back to China to be refilled. (Only around europe or America by truck).
I think that's the future for rocket artillery. You fill an entire container with rockets at the factory preset with tubes and holes on top for firing; drive them to a location; unload them and drive away. Then fire them remotely and leave the container to absorb any return fire. Then go back to the factory/distribution centre for another one. Rinse and repeat.... If you can get the cost of the rockets down somehow, you could produce millions.
In particular I am thinking of Ukraine being able to counter Russian artillery advantages
They would need 50km range, 50m precision , and 2 or 3 types of warheads, HE, Shrapnel and Thermobaric.
How cheap could you get with those requirements... Maybe not very, but phones these days have gyroscopes/accelerometers that could be used for a rough (50/100m fix), and GPS.. Jamming only in the terminal phase... Could you bring the cost of the tube/fuel/ rocket motor etc... down enough if you specify it only has to last 3 months, and you specify that 1 failure in 100 rockets is acceptable. Then manufacture them across europe.
Using your limited bandwidth to ship a bunch of tubes back to be reloaded isn't worth the effort. Making them reusable also come with increased weight. The cost of the pod is a tiny fraction of the missiles. A pod of 6 GIMLARS worth say $600K, if the box costs $10K, that works out to 1.6%. You also have to ship the missile from the US which means you have to put them in some kind of protective box.... It would be like asking Soldiers to collet their brass, ammo cans or ATGM tubes to reload.
The commentary around the differences, and benefits, between a the traditional ‘kill chain’ and a ‘kill web’ might make a good video topic.
@Perun, 22:00. So Ling-Temco-Vought is Clan Coyote... Got it!
Winnie Pooh Thompson and his attorney. 👍
Thanks again for my daily dose of military economics. The PowerPoint was a nice touch this time!
13:55 If it hadn't been a recoilless rifle but a rocket, would the name have been Davy Rockett?
Considering how much was spent on development, it should have been called the Davy Racket (nods in Smedley D. Butler's general direction)
It cost 12 million dollars to fire this weapon for 1 minute, meaning it it cost 2,400,000 dollars to fire this weapon...for 12 seconds
Another great episode. Am loving the fact you have adore beauty advertising on you PowerPoint's. A single clue to you appearance. You have nice skin??
I was wondering the same thing, even lipstick!
@qbi4614 haha. That makes it even more intriguing. I so want to know what peru n looks like. He has spent so much time in my house over the last fee years
dry skin
Thanks for another timely and relevant topic! 🚀🔥🙌
9:13 it's a Nebelwerfer, it werfs Nebels
Perun, excellent always, thank you. Ya, will be listening next week for sure!
America's attitude towards nuclear weapons during the cold war could be summed up by Frank's Hot Sauce, "I put that sh*t on everything."
"Uncle sams Nuclear warheads, we put this s*** on everything"
This was really interesting! I'm loving that pod design.
@26:02 If u hear or made that rough Calculation, u might wonder why Poland ordered 500 MLRS-Platforms.
U either need an insane Storage of Missiles or an astronomical Production Capacity to feed 500 Launchers during War.
Which neither Poland - nor the collective West - has. So it is just Perun talking about mythological weapons again.
500 is probably including spare parts, training models, redundancies and being the final amount is probably to be spread over several years...
All in all it's a considerable order but I doubt they are planning of having 500 MRLS all together in active service at the same time, though that would make for quite a noisy week of war for sure😂
You both make good points.
Remember though, that Russia began its attacks, both before WW II in the Baltic and Poland, and in 2014 and 2022, with strikes against storage, from ammunition storage to armories where weapons are kept to depots where platforms (aircraft, tanks, artillery) are stored and maintained.
I suspect Poland is ordering so many, because they logically expect large losses to their MLRS platforms as the first notice something is going on. Lots of dispersion means some might survive to usefulness, protected by Territorial troops alert to suspicious activities.
Let's say Poland buys one load of each type from Korea for each launcher, and another of each type the U.S.A. has made, and whatever new compatible types are manufactured in future; and suffers 80% losses of both munitions and launchers in the first day. That's still an aweful lot of pain the remaining launchers can deliver.
Perhaps Poland does not want to fight a 3-year war on their own territory due to an artillery overmatch not in their favour.
"Shoot twice and go home" ring any bells?
Poland is not buying 500. That is a pie in the sky number that will never happen. It was a little bit of the ruling party's (at the time) propaganda. But they will have a huge amount and produce their own ammunition by license.
Yay, Perun and coffee. It's a good Sunday morning
Comments require seven words to activate algorithm.🎉
Does the same stipulation apply to replies?
A very interesting and entertaining presentation again Perun. Love your work(:-)
I would expect to see someone make a medium- to long-range artillery rocket that uses inertial navigation -- or possibly some terrain-matching guidance on a missile -- to deliver cluster munitions to grid squares. Doesn't get jammed, works for deep targets like depots and airfields, more cost-effective and survivable to deploy than any other system; probably the same form-factor of box as the ballistic anti-ship missiles, making corvettes and cutters potential platforms. That would suggest the next box would be a Surface-to-Air Anti-Anything missile -- or missiles, with higher capacities of narrower missiles with more limited range being a shipboard-loadable option for different environments: long-range anti-missile missiles for defense of unorganized civilian shipping in the Straight of Hormuz, medium-range anti-drone/anti-rocket/anti-missile missiles, shorter-range boxes to defend a ship or convoy under escort from drone swarms.
Change mission, and you change boxes.
ASROC?
My understanding is that the rockets launched by HIMARS do actually have inertial guidance so they should still have decent (but lower) accuracy even in the face of GPS jamming.
@seneca983 Oldest ones do, but they phased that out in favor of bling.
@@davidgoodnow269 I think you're mistaken at least Wikipedia says:
"In addition to GPS guidance, GMLRS rockets have an inertial navigation system which, by definition, cannot be jammed, but it is less precise alone than when it is coupled with GPS guidance."
So the newer rockets have both inertial and GPS navigation. I'd assume the same goes for ATACMS.
@seneca983 Try reading what I wrote again.
Then, try finding out the facts that you are trying to spit. Because I am laughing at you.
@@davidgoodnow269 A factsheet by Lockheed Martin on GMLRS says the following:
"Guidance:
Inertial Navigation System w/Global Positioning System"
This seems like a reliable source for the fact that they use hybrid guidance, not GPS alone. I'll give you a direct link in a separate comment so that this one doesn't get removed.
Greatly appreciate your work 👍
Perun, good job! Thanks.
Hey, Czechia mentioned.. how about a video on Czech and Slovakian support, rearmament and industrial base?
Excellent presentation as ever. Look forward to your analysis on the US catastrophe - might be best to wait a few more weeks & let some "things" happen.
It might influence some purchasing decisions in Europe regardless of what actually happens with US-NATO relations. AFAIK Lockheed does not allow 3rd parties to produce ammo for M270/HIMARS. And looking at the focus on control of supply chains, there may very well be a push for MBDA/SAAB/Kongsberg/NAMMO et.al to be able to produce European sourced guided rockets (And integating new MLRS systems with eg. NSM/RBS15/Exocet for coastal defense). So this might be a hard push to either go for a cooperation with ROK, who are usually keen on tech transfer and expansion of capabilities, or a separate European product. The problem with the last bit is obviously development timelines.
@@karstenhoff9158 Indeed, as an ex-european my thoughts exactly. In the words of a famous journalist "An agonizing reappraisal of the situation was required"
13:32 He said WHAT
man, that's the understatement of the century.
Yippie! I love Sundays!
Great content as usual. Thanks from UK.
YES
this is my first first so first, thanks for the sunday education
Always very good with excellent detail in every analysis. Thanks
I would like to see an update on remaining russian equipment! 🙏🏻
Does it matter if Trump supports Putin over Ukraine before Russian attrition hits it's breaking point?
Covert Cabal does updates on it
@@kalinmir Yeah, I love those, but they are mostly focused one one base at a time. Perun makes excellent summaries of their data, cross the whole front. But its been some 3 months since the last Perun-summary of remaining equipment, or at least it feels that long :-)
The first rounds are the most effective. One of the advantages of rocket rounds, many rounds in short time.
The moment the Royal Australian Artillery Corps heard Perun mention the possible future of any of their systems the began slowly pointing their guns a Perun's general location.
When it came to pass that he wasn't going to say anything too radical they returned to whatever it is they spend their days doing.
The Royal Australian Artillery Corps spends their days eating crayons.
@@maxpower3990 Well, that's what happens when you let the USMC have permanent bases on your territory. Rations gets shared.
I use pia. It works every time.
Hi Perun. Ok, I don't want to play War anymore. Artillery launched Mine Fields are so OP. Sigh! 👍👍 Great Video,as always
Your videos help me form different strategies and logistics transportation ways in my decks in the game rts broken arrow
23:32 USA, France, Germany, and UK can't even agree on the same rifle and pistol caliber to use, let alone standard NATO-wide infantry small arms (*cough* P90 debacle *cough*). Yet M270 being so good it became a near universal de facto standard NATO-wide MLRS is impressive.
Except that the M-15, SA-80, FN-MAS and the G-36 all use the 5.56x45mm while the 9x19mm is the common pistol round and the 7.62x51mm is the medium machine gun that they all use.
The P90 was never intended as a replacement for an assault rifle. It was meant to be issued to those soldiers whose primary job isn’t to shoot a rifle, like tank and artillery crew. If either of those are shooting their rifle something has gone wrong already.
Same as 105mm for tank cannons and 155mm for howitzers and 81mm and 120mm for mortars: there might be a huge variety of ammunition with all kinds of different trajectories, but everyone can _fire_ everything!
Even the transition to 120mm tank guns and divergence there had a reason: Chieftain and Challenger were supposed to deliver longer-ranged high-accuracy supporting fires to the range-limited Abrams and Leopard II; while the French kept the 105mm gun, they developed a depleted uranium FSAPDS-D -DU round for it that matched the penetration of the Abrams', but at half the range. France considered this acceptable on two bases: limited cost, and the fact that a war would have to be very deep beyond the open Fulda Gap, and in amongst mixed terrain, villages, and even cities, by the time France arrived. Most of Europe's bridges cannot take an Abrams or Chieftain!
5.56, 7.62, and 9. Sounds pretty standardised to me. At least for the last 60 years or so.
@@maxpower3990It was to replace pistol caliber ammunition.
Barely is that important in the grand scheme of things.
M270 was a joint programme....
Perun got it wrong....US started it, UK, France and Germany joined after they cancelled RS-80, Italy joined in 1982.
Consistently entertaining. Thank you 😊
Was anyone else just frantically searching for the latest vid when this dropped?
Yuuupp
What? I didn't... It showed up on my front page 😂