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Shout out to the guy on the bridge who was has been waiting his whole life to be interviewed about these exact questions, and whose kid was bored out of their mind
lol watching Veritasium's videos always makes me wish I could be one of the people he asks about things because I often know just enough about these surface level things he asks to answer them correctly. Farts and taste I wouldn't have gotten (I would've answered yes to the former and told him it was only because he was saying it himself though lol), but the rest I more or less knew.
@@MirzaAhmed89Just being a planespotter in and of itself won't really give you that much knowledge, you'd probably just know how to identify different aircraft types. The group of non-professionals that knows the most is probably flight simmers. At least those that take it seriously.
@@iaexo As somebody who's played War Thunder and seen a fair amount of sim videos, I actually knew about all these except the food segment. I hope that some day I'll be in the majority of airplane enthusiasts instead of the minority. So many fascinating things about aircraft beyond just their looks.
I always wanted to say how much I respect the decision of putting the ad last. It shows that you actually respect your audience and the respect is mutual.
Yes of course. But it's fun to hear him say "... we specifically asked ground news to sponsor this video." Meaning: Veritasium, with his 16M subscribers, gets to pick and choose who he'll allow as a sponsor, and then he'll stick them at the end of the video. Must be nice.
You can't watch or even scan past an add for the 100s or 1000s of hours Derek and his team put into making the content. You don't pay a cent. Who cares where he or any other creator puts it. This is their job, and it costs money to make. Total L take.
An aircraft mechanic here, One of the many reasons we pump in dry air and reduce moisture content in the aircraft cabin is because water molecules present in the air will freeze into small ice blocks at high altitude which will damage a lot of the pneumatic system components including important pressure regulating valves and possibly block filters leading to blockages.
Do you even need to remove any more moisture? The outside air is extremely cold, so just warming it up should reduce the relative moisture level (relative to what moisture the air can hold at that temperature) significantly. Or is that something you only do while on the ground / close to the ground?
@@BunjiKugashira42 You're correct. They don't remove any moisture. Within the engine, as it gets compressed, the air warms up. Ice is still a concern though, but it's mainly on the leading edges of the plane. Such as the wings, because it could disrupt airflow/cause turbulence, or the first stage or two of engine blades. There it's handled by simple electric heaters.
@@zrora4385 So that explains the ice separators in the A/C ducts.?That's the rattling sound you occasionally hear above your head. But you're correct , in that at cruise altitude this is not a big problem.
What? The engine doesn't get to choose how humid the air is it inhales. And after two stages of compression, the air is not cold anymore but actually too warm for the cabin and needs to be fed through the AC packs. So there's no icing risk from cabin air.
@@BunjiKugashira42 Yeah, at first I thought well unless the pneumatic system gets the working fluid (the air) into the temperature even lower than before. But considering the air outside is -50 C, that doesn't sound normal.
@@LuisGustavoBDthe greatest sadness when I watch these videos is I know we get such a selection bias so we have no idea how many people actually knew or not.
I was in a DC-8 at age eight. I discovered the little wheels in the arm rest and started to play with them. Almost immediately the cabin announcement system said "someone has moved the radar detector" and I sat stock still for the next 6 hours. It took me 30 years to reason that the radar deflection could not have been my fault
Same. I was just thinking about how it's been a few days since I watched a Mentour Pilot video, and then boom, he's in this one. Great collab, in my opinion.
Interesting what people knew about the subject, but you brought back very vivid memories when you talked about plane food. While serving overseas during the war as an aircraft technician. Civilian airlines were used for troops. On board, they were fed the same way civilian are feed. It wasn't that way for us on the ground. You can imagine what we had to eat. So when one landed, many technicians ran to prepare the plane for departure. Except we didn't go right to work doing that... we went straight for the kitchen and left over meals in the warming trays. It was just one of those things that brought a sense of home to out tummies !
I remember watching some old science documentary about people living in a pressure chamber under water because the pressure was far more than one atmosphere. They complained that their carbinated drinks lost their fizz, the only flavor that didn't go bland was spicy food, and they had to be careful heating drinks because the temperature water boiled had increased. I know it's kind of the opposite of what happens on planes, but I just find it interesting that our sense of taste is so dependent on atmospheric pressure.
Wouldn’t the drinks remain super fizzy? Part used bottles go flat because the bubbles come out until they re-pressurise the bottle itself. Just a thought
There is a short clip where Chris Hadfield (Canadian Astronaut) shakes a can of Coke and immediately opens it... and nothing happens because he and some others were in a high-pressure underwater structure.
@@FirestarterAJ12 The reason it tastes fizzy is because the bubbles are forced out of the liquid from the comparatively low pressure of the atmosphere than the inside of the can. If the atmosphere is closer in pressure to the can, there will be less bubbles and less fizz.
As an aersopace engineer with more than 20 years working in aircraft development, I feel so glad to see a video like this. Factual and to the point. Great job!
My friend told me what we saw in the video, is a bit (30-40years) outdated info. Today engines operate cheaper at lower altitudes, at cruise altitude the fuel consumption is greater.
@@dornyeilaszlo Your comment is well-intentioned but only an opinion, and like our southern outlet, we all have one that blasts smelly hot air. If you can provide a reference that clearly supports your idea, it might be worth reading. Thanks for your interest and contribution.
I’ve drank tomato juice and added pepper in hundreds of Lufthansa flights over the years. Every time i bought it at home i never felt like it. Thanks a lot for revealing one of my most random life mysteries 😂
@@MrHungrySimon at nearly every station on the Stockholm commuter train network they announce "please press the button to open the door when it's green". There are 3 stations in the very central areas where you don't need to, so how people are so stupid that this needs to be announced more or less everytime..... Smh.
The ISS actually expands and contracts also every time it orbits due to thermocycling from exposure to the sun and space. That's one of the main reasons why space stations have a limited life.
Good point. At the same time, an insulation must exist. So the question becomes is the same structure responsible for maintaining thr pressure also subject to these temperature changes
ISS circles the Earth in roughly 90minutes. Going as high as 250 degrees F (121 C) on the sunny side and as low as -250 degrees F (-157 C) on the dark side. So it has more circles on expand/contract that you can imagine.
Similarly to some of the other comments, I studied Aeronautical engineering for four years, worked for Rolls Royce jet engines in the defence aerospace sector and been an airline pilot now for 12 years. I’ve loved Veritasium videos for years and this just proves to me how well researched these videos are. Thanks for all your effort, accuracy and clarity!
PETTER! So happy to see Mentour Pilot getting some love. His channel took me from extreme flight anxiety in 2016 to a regular flier who, gasps, enjoys it! I love learning more and more about flight/planes, it has opened up the world for me.
Same here. 20 years without flying. I promised a friend I would go with her to Ireland. Also because Ireland is an amazing place and Irish people are incredibly nice, but first and foremost to go with my friend... So I booked a refundable ticket (yeah, not so brave...) and started watching videos about planes just to have perfect excuses to cancel the trip, because I was so afraid. I ended up on Petter's channel. No sensationalism, no overdramatisation, just a professional and detailed look on every accident, with a focus on what ended up being updated, changed, bettered... I wouldn't say I love flying (it there's a reasonably longer train ride instead, I'll gladly choose it!), but I'm way less afraid of flying now.
@@BD-nt3ee this is fantastic and I’m proud of you. It wasn’t easy, but you did it and you allowed a professional to give you real facts to start counteracting the ones our brains come up with on their own. If anyone ever asks about my journey or mentions they have similar fears, I go out of my way to recommend Mentour Pilot.
Talking about "What Everyone Gets Wrong About Planes", I'm still sometimes thinking about those poor people who clung to a departing American plane in Afghanistan Like, incoming winds of 900km/h, -50°C, pressure so low that you can't breathe, no place to get a grip, etc I know they most likely didn't know all that stuff but it's fascinating and terrifying how people thought they could survive it
It's not that the people thought they could survive through it It's more about the people scared about living through what's happening on the ground that they were trying to escape And we all know the human brain doesn't stay fully rational in face of anxiety like that
I am an airline pilot and simulator instructor for a major airline. You nailed it! You hit all the little things on the head and covered the common misconceptions I see from pilots themselves. Going to send this video to future students.
E ven a 10-year-old or a 12-year-old should be able to deduce from first principles why a jet plane flies at 30,000 ft to 40,000 ft and the reason primarily they fly that high is because of less aerodynamic drag due to the lower density of air. So that you can for the same amount of thrust , you use less fuel, And still be able to maintain enough velocity to achieve lift for that altitude. ( Also, jet engines are designed to work at maximum efficiency around that altitude, Also flying above turbulence but these are secondary reasons).. Also the reason you cannot open doors is because of the pressure difference. While interior of a jetliner is pressurized to one atmospheric pressure. The pressure outside is much lower due to the altitude and air density it's flying at .A reasonably smart 10- 12-Year-Old should be able to deduce this from first principles!. Are majority of people idiots? So why don't planes fly even higher than $30 or 40,000 feet, for even lower aerodynamic drag at the lower air density at higher altitude? Reason is yes, your aerodynamic drag will drop even further, but the velocity requirement that would be required to generate enough lift in the thin air of the higher altitude would also increase, needing greater thrust. It is sort of a u-curve. And 30 to 40,000 is usually The Sweet Spot for maximum efficient fuel efficiency. Also, there needs to be like a greater degree of pressure frame structural stresses that you need to protect against because of the greater pressure differential at the higher altitude (interior of a jet is always pressured to one atmosphere, while beyond 30 to 40,000 ft outside pressure is even lower). Also, jet engines are designed for maximum efficiency at certain altitudes windows. For these various reasons, 30 to 40 000 ft is The Sweet Spot. Anyway, I don't expect a 10 or 12-year-old to figure out the this part, but the original point I made should be evident and should be able to be deduced from first principles..
@@aryangod2003 I do agree this seems to be mostly basic knowledge that even a child would know. However I have come to the understanding of acquired knowledge supersedes the old common sense approach. An excellent example is slippery when wet signs, or even 1st year apprentice on their first day. I feel it's better to acquire knowledge and not just believe you know it already. This in turn avoids accidents. For instance, I knew planes go higher to save costs (along with safety of concerning lower heights plus noise). I understood the air was 'lighter' or thinner, so obviously less resistance. But I didn't have all the tech associated with it, or the exact reason why it's 30,000 and not 25,000. Clearly the atmosphere and even the Earth's circumference is valid. I basically have never acquired this knowledge (no need to learn). And my common sense towards it may even be mistaken!
@@aryangod2003the major reason why commercial flights cannot go much higher than 40kft is because of air density is well, since at higher altitudes the engines will lack the oxygen (cecause of very low O2 density) so the fuel wont be able to ignite properly. Some Military airplanes’ engines are designed a bit diffrently and they can support flights up to 70-80kft
I've always absolutely loved Mentour Pilot's channel! I still remember the day I found it I binged it for many days. The amount of technical details that Petter makes easy to digest allowed me to get a little bit into aviation I never thought I would
I can relate! I was doing a lego ISS when I first came across his channel and have seen every accident breakdown since. You couldn’t have said it better. He’s the only reason I got Microsoft Flight Simulator 😅
Slightly unrelated... as a truck driver... I recently undid a lugnut on a trailer wheel hub, by hand... This means, the last guy had a retorque notice that he chose to ignore (or lost and forgot)... and a tire could have come off within a trip or two (while at highway speed.) It's a good thing the aviation industry is held to such scrutiny... much more so than the ground transportation industry. We... on the ground... have a long way to go. Truckers are always whining about 'restrictions' and 'inspections'... but how many of my 'co-workers' actually 'do their required pretips thoroughly?' Some just sign off as good without checking anything (I've even seen trainers doing this...)
@@Moto848 boeing kinda proves the regulation isnt enough.... no one should be dying to some company's laziness to redesign their plane for the new electric motors they want to install
Many industries have policies "written in blood". An FYI for anyone reading who hasn't come across the term. It means the rule exist because someone died to motivate it
As an aerospace engineer with over 20 years experience and someone who manufactures door lock actuators, the doors are actually locked on certain airplane models (i.e. Boeing 777). Flight lock actuators lock the doors of an aircraft when the weight-on-wheels signal is false (meaning the aircraft is not on-ground). This actuator moves a pin/rod into a locking meachanism effectively locking the door while in flight.
@@niconico3907 No, the logic for the doors is such that it would be unlocked in an emergency. From memory, on the B787 one engine has to be running and airspeed above 80 knots for the lock to engage. Its de-energised to unlock with no electrical power.
My favorite two channels in one video? I must be dreaming. I was scared of flying but watching Mentour Pilot allowed me to go through turbulence without even paying attention to it. Thanks Derek for this video.
If noise would boost tomato juice consumption, it would be a very popular club drink, which it is not. I think apple and tomato juice are popular because they are not carbonated. Carbonated drinks fizz different because of the lower cabin pressure.
That interference you hear when ATC is talking to the airplane is when the controller has his phone sitting on his desk and has an incoming call. The signal is hitting the Air Traffic controller’s mic. It’s not from a phone in the back of the plane. 13:28
Thank you for having Petter (Mentour) on your channel. He is one of the best aviation channels, if not the best, out there! Awesome collaboration, its like suddenly bumping into an old friend. Very pleasurable surprise!
I’m incredibly gassy when I fly. I fart like no other; and they’re always so forceful. It’s as if my trumpeting ass finally decides to have a personality and wants to chat. It’s also often smelly. So on long haul flights, I’d tuck myself on all sides with the blanket. I’d often not allow my other end from talking by stretching out that starfish butt hole as much as possible as to reduce vibrations; so only forceful puffs of wind comes out. I’d then immediately dip my head into the blanket and breathe in as much of the stank as possible so others won’t be able to smell it. I’ve yet to have people complain next to me about farting in the decades I’ve been flying for my job.
Derek and Petter are two channels I have really enjoyed independently, never would have thought of a collab but both of you are great educators and it worked really well.
That Hawaiian flight that blew the roof off, is where Vampire Weekend got the name from their album, ‘Only God Was Above Us’ from a quote in a newspaper after that incident.
Yessss! Love the collab with Mentour Pilot (my girlfriend and I absolutely binge his content)! I think every once in a while it should be highlighted just HOW incomprehensibly safe civil aviation has become, and how diligent those authorities, training infrastructures, airlines and pilots are - especially compared to the absolute insanity of car traffic that many people hardly think about. Even a Boeing 737 MAX before the redesign of the terribly flawed MCAS was statistically safer than the average car ride.
That's always been an interesting comparison. Everyone is driving themselves, definitely don't do anything like a pre-flight, encounter obstacles constantly, and don't have autopilot (mostly). I wonder if you could control for those variables
The tomato juice connection! That's wild! I do happen to drink it on the ground as I'm a natriophile, but I do order it more often on a plane than most other beverages. Cool to know why!
Got curious today and checked when I subscribed to the channels I watch and was surprised to see Veritasium as my longest subscription. Can't believe it's been over 7yrs now and the content just keeps getting better
do not underestimate the battery issue! If you don't go on plane mode, your phone will try harder and harder to reach a ground antenna, draining your battery super fast
@@I_Am_Your_ProblemThe protocol of looking for signal is very energy demanding. Maintaining a signal is not. So usually you only have to use the LFS protocol maybe once or twice But in a plane, these towers would be moving so fast that the protocol would barely be finished with its handshake protocol before losing the tower, and then have to start over again. Or just not find any available towers and stay in the looking for signal protocol. Both of which are decent power drains
That's why I always turn on airplane mode while driving long distances, when you have all the maps you need downloaded, of course. Also, remember to shut its screen off if your next exit is far away, there's no reason to keep on looking at a screen that tells you no new information besides "go straight ahead" :)
A couple things to mention: taste (particularly our sense of sweet and salty) is diminished at altitude, presumably at low ambient air pressure - which is why we think food is bland in the air. For this reason, airplane food regularly has extra salt added to it to give the food "more" flavor, to offset that effect. Try eating an airline meal when you're on the ground, it's unbearably salty. Second, I regularly use my cell phone when flying my plane - it's useful to pull up weather or other information, and for use as an emergency backup. In my experience, it works reliably up to about 3500 or 4000 feet - and then only when near a built-up area. Above 4000 feet or so, the connection is so unreliable as to be useless.
I'm a private pilot and I fly small planes, I haven't tested the limits but I've been at 10,000 feet msl, 5000 ft agl, and my phone always works fine, typically around 130-150 mph in both rural and congested areas
“Wake up bro, Mentour Pilot and Veritasium just collabed!” 😮 You and Petter are some of the only youtubers that I genuinely get excited for with new releases. It’s rare for me to find such compelling and engaging high quality content on TH-cam. I love you guys!
It's not about talking, it's about 200 watts of radio interference at sub-1 GHz long-range frequencies due to phones trying to ping cell towers at max power each.
@@PredatoryQQmber Don't think you watched the whole video. @dustinsullivan7216 was referencing that the EU is trying to make calls on planes a normal thing. Also they pointed out that phones don't cause interference.
@@jackchandelier I don't think you've read my whole comment. I was referring to the nature of radio signals, which I, apparently, know better than either you or the professional yapper in the video. In fact, they even said in the video itself for the likes of you that standard 1 watt of interference is very difference from hundreds. Even if plane's internals are isolated, your body isn't and it may actually shorten your life, unlike some annoying yapping. Besides, people nowadays are glued to social media brainrot and not talking much.
@@kevinkevinson22 I don't remember sending you my 20-minute long professional yapping video. And yet I'm already living rent-free in your head, apparently.
Petter! What's funny is that when Veritasium asked the opening question, "How high do planes fly?" I immediately began rambling off an answer in my head, ending with, "And I know all that thanks to Mentour Pilot." And then a minute later, he appeared, as if summoned by my response.
Yeah, everyone following the Mentour Pilot channel knew that airplanes fly that high because of the air density and fuel consumption. We learned a lot from Petter over the years.
One of the few videos that I was abolsutely glued onto right from start until finish! Don't get me wrong, it's not like Dr.Derrek's videos are boring or uninformative, he's a genius who knows how to explain things really well. Its just that I'm not bright enough to understand some of his more involved and complicated videos...like that path the electricity takes (vs conventional knowledge of electrons 'flowing' in an electrical wire) - I have not understood the alternate theory that he proposed but understood enough that I don't 100% believe in the conventional theory nowadays!
Well i think the key thing is that aviation incidents pretty much happen once. My aerospace engineering teacher would often tell absolutely horrifying stories of catastrophes but theyd all end with "and so thats why xyz rule was implemented and there hasnt been a problem since" which is fairly comforting.
I remember in the 90's taking a flight from Reykjavík to Miami and listening to my fm radio as we travelled down the east coast. The channels were clear-ish and gently passed from one to another, music and news all mixed up. It was lovely...
Great video. I've been a professional aviator for 32 years. I would just point out that until recently all commercial aircraft brought outside air into the cabin through the engines. Today, 90% of flights are like this. But the newest wide-body aircraft (like the 787) do not bring air inside through the engine (this can prevent unwanted fumes from being diverted from the engine to the passengers). Finally, these newer planes fuselages are made of carbon (not metal) and therefore are more pressurized and less dry, leading to a healthier flying experience and less fatigue!
is there a reason why it's so cold on board of intercontinental flights and quite pleasant on domestic / EU flights? I never understood why they won't turn up the temperature when people are wearing jackets onboard
@@444mm I've wondered about this too. I just always figured it was the smaller planes with people crammed in closer and not as much air circulation. But on thinking about it, that probably really shouldn't make a difference -- these planes have plenty of air circulation and have access to -50C air outside.
im a crew chief for the C-5 Galaxy, and we bring in the hot air from the engines and also cold ram air from the armpit of the wing, then the 2 different temp air mix kinda like your kitchen faucet depending on what you set the temp to.
What an awesome surprise to see two of my favorite TH-camrs collaborating! Thanks Petter and Derek for years of education, entertainment and enlightenment.
I feel like you always screen out the answers to questions like “how high do planes fly” so only the very worst answers are selected. You just get a lot of sensible answers compared to the few silly ones. Anyway great video, learnt a lot!
The reason FM radios operating on "adjacent frequency bands" is relevant is that they are superheterodyne receivers, and they have local oscillators that are either 10.7 MHz above or below the tuned frequency. If above the FM band, that's right on top of the aircraft navigation band... and in the past, these receivers leaked a lot more energy from the local oscillators than they do now.
@@meetmobility All superheterodyne receivers are also transmitters. In the US, FCC Part 15 applies radiated power limits to encourage proper shielding. In the UK, this is how the detection of unlicensed TV receivers worked.
And they demanded every supplier test and certify all aircraft systems against EMS at frequencies used phones but didn’t want to pay for testing or changes if it failed.
Devices searching for a wifi signal use their maximum power. If everybody's phone and laptop were searching for an access point that isn't there, that would be the most possible interference. If they just provide access points to find, the devices actually transmit less, and devices that are on but not logged in do very little, since they're neither downloading a big update nor searching for a network.
Keeping passengers belted on their seats during final approach has the added benefit of preventing somebody ooening the door when the presssure differential is almost gone
No one physically keeps anyone in their seat… everyone who has opened a door in the recent past has been able to open it whenever they want, despite the “rules” u mentioned… this is ignorant and doesn’t actually prevent anything. It’s a guide that should be followed but isn’t always followed
In 1999, a man in the UK was convicted and sentenced to a year in jail for refusing to switch off his mobile phone. That in itself is not surprising, but what is are the claims that were made by the so-called experts at that time... *Although Whitehouse made no airborne calls, aviation experts told a three-day trial that radio waves from the phone could have sparked an explosion or affected the Boeing 737's navigational systems as it flew at 31,000 feet.* It is not the case that radio waves "could have sparked an explosion", and this is why we should always question experts and authorities, and why free speech and an adversarial judicial process is so crucial to both truth and justice. We should follow the law, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question the law or the policies and authorities that govern us.
As someone who never accepts "being told what to do" without asking WHY, (and discovering that the vast majority of cases, perhaps 90%, have no better reason that "an expert decided") I am under no illusion that most experts merely have experience, and no understanding. Nobody stops to consider WHY things are done the way they are, and as a result, we have a plethora of obsolete and outdated rules that simply have no reason to be applied anymore.
@@ΝίκοςΙστοσελίδα Contrary to popular belief, even a smoldering cigarette does not ignite gasoline.... at least, not easily. I have been unsuccessful in my attempts.
@@ΝίκοςΙστοσελίδα The real reason they're still banned is because people can get distracted, forget the pump is in their car and then drive off with the pump still attached. At least in the US since we don't have auto filling pumps in the Europe. It's far easier to just outright ban it than to fully test it.
@@paulstandaert5709 True, I've tried this too. The reason it's banned at petrol / gas stations is because the process usually involves someone lighting the cigarette, which is the dangerous part.
Hearing the magic word of the question instantly activated the answer area of his brain, he must have experienced some unforgettable unpleasant moments on a plane 😂
13:45 It's interesting that every time there is a problem for customers, American agencies do very little... but the EU is already working to solve it. Calls on Flights, USB connections, privacy, etc.
@@Kanbei11 that was actually my guess for airplane mode being required. i just figured they didn't want to deal with the noise of people on phone calls.
The plane door pressure differential reminds me of a large reach in freezer with fans that create a partial vacuum after closing. You can't open the doors no matter how hard you try.
That was my philosophy a few years back when the mask-wearing mandate was lifted. If most people around weren't wearing one, I'd put mine on. If they were, then I'd go without.
I agree but there is an counter argument for that as well, The more you know, The more unsafe you'll feel. It's really depends on the individual we are talking to. In a perfect word yes, That's the optimal approach to life (excluding couple of subjects that's better to not know more about if you know what I mean).
That's mot accurate. You feel less safe when you know more because you know all the tons of things that can go wrong and anyone in the chain of events that could cause your death could be an idiot and not do things right.
A question for any aeronautical engineers out there: the video asserted that planes are metal Faraday cages. Are they still? To what extent do are pressure-hulls now made of plastic composites that are transparent to radio waves? Or do they still need a sort of 'chicken-wire matrix' inside the plastic, to resist lightning strikes?
That specific noise he's making at 13:05 is, or at least was, in many areas called the "GSM gallop". In the 2000s when practically everyone had phones like that you could anticipate a call coming in by a few seconds when you heard that noise on eg. your computer speakers. But in 2024 practically no one uses GSM ("2G") phones anymore, everyone's at least on 3G with the overwhelming majority on 4 or 5G now, where these kinds of radio interference just don't happen. T-Mobile is the only major carrier in the US still operating 2G networks and even that likely won't last but mere months until final shutdown. The FCC needs to ditch the ancient and ridiculously outdated rule that was never supported by any good evidence in the first place.
It honestly doesn't matter if the rule exists or not because I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people don't follow it anyways. Thousands of people fly every day and trusting that every person on every plane would abide by the rules is ridiculous. It's not even enforced and short of taking everyone's phones at the beginning of the flight it never could be. That one guy even said "I'm a rebel" and doesn't turn it off. Hundreds of millions of people with that same mentality. "Yeah we've been told that having your phone on COULD cause this airplane to crash (even though it's not true) but I'm a REBEL and no one is going to tell ME to turn my phone on airplane mode." And considering the wildly stupid answers many of them gave to questions we are talking about the potential for someone as dumb as a box of rocks to bring down an airplane with a phone. Fortunately having phones on doesn't make a difference because if it did there would be either significantly more crashes or an insane change to regulations. I think every plane being equipped with a Faraday cage including over the windows would be the solution over forcefully taking people's phones. So yes we can get rid of the rule but it doesn't matter if we don't.
You can immediately tell that having it off won't do anything because if it did, they wouldn't put a short message and hope you follow it, it would be a huge scandal of you merely had it on you
I'm a flight attendant in America and I work with some (usually old-head) flight attendants who demand every passenger show their phones during compliance checks. It takes forever and causes so many arguments. One coworker in particular always invokes, 'you don't want to break a federal law, do you?' I always drop my trips scheduled with them so I don't suffer from negative passenger reviews 😂
Another point of view in using phones is that in an event of an emergency, you are probably the least prepared individual. While nervous flyers take note of every exit, how to use the lifevests etc. And in an actual emergency like fire during takeoff, people who are aware are usually the first ones to react, and let me tell you, a second difference of reaction is life or death
It is bad enough being stuck in a tin can with 300 strangers. Being stuck with 300 people talking on their phone will result in me finding other options.
@cbernier3 In public transport they do. Anytime they are stuck somewhere in transit, someone will call someone to pass the time and make everyone listen to their conversation.
@@orangebeagle3068 this video is about airplanes, not public transport. And that doesn't happen often at all. I ride public transit all the time, and there usually isn't even one person on the phone. Never once has every single passenger been on the phone at the same time. Besides, why don't you have your headphones on?
@@samstromberg5593 people minimize making phone calls. I hate having to make phone calls. Certainly not gonna do it from a plane. Especially not at ridiculous phone call prices. Why would I pay crazy airplane phone prices when the Wi-Fi is free. You aren't too bright.
@@Ps5prolite In case anybody was wondering, flights per capita in 2019, the US is below the UK, Portugal and Spain. And above Italy, France, Austria and Germany. And all of those are well above places like Indonesia, Morocco, Romania, Argentina and Hungary. So in a sense, the US is pretty middle to low average across the board, even though the board is so wide. With a range from like 0.03 to above 10 flights. ~47 countries reported below a 0.1. And ~128 recorded below a 1. The US is at 2. (China at 0.46) Now, you also have this weirdly specific knowledge thanks to this bad actor or bad ai bot.
This missed my favorite part of the "airplane mode" silliness: many passengers were *against* allowing calls. The FCC asked for comments from the public when they were debating dropping the ban on calls. Here's a pretty clear example of the common theme: "Flying commercially is already a sufficiently miserable experience without being forced to listen to other passengers' conversations."
Couldn't agree more. Especially since so many people seem to think the best way to make a call is at max speaker volume with the phone held out in front of them.
@@dielaughing73 to be fair i sometimes talk on the speaker because its easier for me to hear someone like that, but i never, and i repeat, never do this in public
Thank you for the excellent, ongoing series. This video is a good discussion. There is an important additional reason that transonic transports fly high. This is to match engine thrust and airplane drag. Here's why: Piston and turbine engine efficiency benefits from increased compression ratio. Turbine compression ratio increases with compressor RPM. Slowing the engine reduces efficiency. Turbine engine efficiency also benefits from high throttle setting (high combustion temperature). Cruise efficiency is usually optimized near 80% throttle. Key point: for efficiency, turbines run near full throttle in all flight phases except descent. Thrust force at 80% throttle decreases with air density, so thrust drops at high altitude despite a high throttle setting. To take off in a practical distance, airliners have a thrust to weight ratio of about 1:3. But in cruise, a thrust to weight ratio of about 1:20 is needed. This is achieved by flying high where the air is less dense and the engines make less thrust despite the high throttle setting. Doing the math, a density reduction to 1/4 may approximately decrease thrust to weight from 1/3 to 1/12. Much of the rest of the reduction results from the increase in airspeed at altitude - this also reduces thrust. Some call the design process of matching the airplane and engine "engine-airframe matching". It is a key aspect of preliminary airplane design. Thanks again for your educational efforts! I am a big fan.
13:11 That type of interference only happened with GSM phones because they used *time division multiple access*, the beep is the radio bursting info when it’s time slot comes. Modern phones use code division multiple access and are always encoding information on the air.
I loved the old GSM phones; they were extremely useful to quickly check whether an electronic device had adequate RF shielding/immunity. I hated the manager type guy who put his phone right next to the live concert PA system.
If you're getting a beep like that when a phone is in proximity, you are not passing CE certification most likely (unless you bribe the company doing the testing)
He mentioned 800Mhz. That was the old Nextel network. It would come across on everything. The joke was that you could hear calls coming across on fire hydrants. The US moved phones off 800Mhz years ago.
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No thank you
Nah, reading news is boring. Make news! Be news!
No thank you sir!
Shout out to the guy on the bridge who was has been waiting his whole life to be interviewed about these exact questions, and whose kid was bored out of their mind
lol watching Veritasium's videos always makes me wish I could be one of the people he asks about things because I often know just enough about these surface level things he asks to answer them correctly. Farts and taste I wouldn't have gotten (I would've answered yes to the former and told him it was only because he was saying it himself though lol), but the rest I more or less knew.
For a bunch of planespotters, their knowledge of aviation was hilariously weak.
@@MirzaAhmed89Just being a planespotter in and of itself won't really give you that much knowledge, you'd probably just know how to identify different aircraft types. The group of non-professionals that knows the most is probably flight simmers. At least those that take it seriously.
@@iaexo As somebody who's played War Thunder and seen a fair amount of sim videos, I actually knew about all these except the food segment. I hope that some day I'll be in the majority of airplane enthusiasts instead of the minority. So many fascinating things about aircraft beyond just their looks.
@mirzaahmed6589 Not everyone at a viewing platform is an obsessive sometimes it's just somewhere to go to get an ice-cream on a nice day.
I always wanted to say how much I respect the decision of putting the ad last. It shows that you actually respect your audience and the respect is mutual.
Yes of course. But it's fun to hear him say "... we specifically asked ground news to sponsor this video." Meaning: Veritasium, with his 16M subscribers, gets to pick and choose who he'll allow as a sponsor, and then he'll stick them at the end of the video. Must be nice.
Pretty disingenuous to sayi it's 100% altruism...
@@TH-camBorkedMyOldHandle_why that's sour bro
You can't watch or even scan past an add for the 100s or 1000s of hours Derek and his team put into making the content. You don't pay a cent. Who cares where he or any other creator puts it. This is their job, and it costs money to make.
Total L take.
@@All4thaCash actually I pay yt premium just so that I don't have to watch ads.
An aircraft mechanic here,
One of the many reasons we pump in dry air and reduce moisture content in the aircraft cabin is because water molecules present in the air will freeze into small ice blocks at high altitude which will damage a lot of the pneumatic system components including important pressure regulating valves and possibly block filters leading to blockages.
Do you even need to remove any more moisture? The outside air is extremely cold, so just warming it up should reduce the relative moisture level (relative to what moisture the air can hold at that temperature) significantly. Or is that something you only do while on the ground / close to the ground?
@@BunjiKugashira42 You're correct. They don't remove any moisture. Within the engine, as it gets compressed, the air warms up. Ice is still a concern though, but it's mainly on the leading edges of the plane. Such as the wings, because it could disrupt airflow/cause turbulence, or the first stage or two of engine blades. There it's handled by simple electric heaters.
@@zrora4385 So that explains the ice separators in the A/C ducts.?That's the rattling sound you occasionally hear above your head. But you're correct , in that at cruise altitude this is not a big problem.
What?
The engine doesn't get to choose how humid the air is it inhales. And after two stages of compression, the air is not cold anymore but actually too warm for the cabin and needs to be fed through the AC packs.
So there's no icing risk from cabin air.
@@BunjiKugashira42 Yeah, at first I thought well unless the pneumatic system gets the working fluid (the air) into the temperature even lower than before. But considering the air outside is -50 C, that doesn't sound normal.
Mentour Pilot being in a Veritasium video was a collab I didn't know I needed.
... but isn't he putting weight these days !
Time for a Veritasium deep dive into slimming products, using Petr as the guinea-pig
Me too
You dont need it
It's common in blogging as well, bloggers rely on other bloggers as their source of expertise regardless of accuracy.
As an aerospace engineer, I pray for the day some random person walks up to me and asks me the questions Derek asked at the beginning of the video.
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You'd probably get it right and your footage wouldn't make the cut to be included in the video.
@@LuisGustavoBDthe greatest sadness when I watch these videos is I know we get such a selection bias so we have no idea how many people actually knew or not.
Your time will come, and Derek will be doing a deep-dive into the intricacies of oil painting.
“What altitude do planes fly at?”
“What direction are they heading and are they IFR or VFR?”
I was in a DC-8 at age eight. I discovered the little wheels in the arm rest and started to play with them. Almost immediately the cabin announcement system said "someone has moved the radar detector" and I sat stock still for the next 6 hours. It took me 30 years to reason that the radar deflection could not have been my fault
That's cute!
Nah, you know it was you that did it.
"The passenger with the tinfoil hat has moved."
I feel you, man.
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Veritasium + Mentour wasnt a collab I was expecting! Both era defining channels I would say.
For sure. Correctly said.
He got a like just for that
Same was surprised
Same. I was just thinking about how it's been a few days since I watched a Mentour Pilot video, and then boom, he's in this one. Great collab, in my opinion.
They taste like chicken
Interesting what people knew about the subject, but you brought back very vivid memories when you talked about plane food. While serving overseas during the war as an aircraft technician. Civilian airlines were used for troops. On board, they were fed the same way civilian are feed. It wasn't that way for us on the ground. You can imagine what we had to eat. So when one landed, many technicians ran to prepare the plane for departure. Except we didn't go right to work doing that... we went straight for the kitchen and left over meals in the warming trays. It was just one of those things that brought a sense of home to out tummies !
Two TH-cam legends: Veritasium and Mentour Pilot.
Both in the peak of their game.
Simply awesome.
Mentour Pilot/Now is a favorite of mine. So cool to see him on the Veritasium channel.
That glazing is so pathetic.
@@maestbobo these are words of a person who neither has nor creates anything of value.
Mmmm, I wished to see 74 Gear here as well but that's a very nice collab anyway
Theyre amazing
I remember watching some old science documentary about people living in a pressure chamber under water because the pressure was far more than one atmosphere. They complained that their carbinated drinks lost their fizz, the only flavor that didn't go bland was spicy food, and they had to be careful heating drinks because the temperature water boiled had increased.
I know it's kind of the opposite of what happens on planes, but I just find it interesting that our sense of taste is so dependent on atmospheric pressure.
Wouldn’t the drinks remain super fizzy? Part used bottles go flat because the bubbles come out until they re-pressurise the bottle itself. Just a thought
A drink will also be flat if the bubbles cant come out of the liquid due to high pressure
There is a short clip where Chris Hadfield (Canadian Astronaut) shakes a can of Coke and immediately opens it... and nothing happens because he and some others were in a high-pressure underwater structure.
@@FirestarterAJ12 The reason it tastes fizzy is because the bubbles are forced out of the liquid from the comparatively low pressure of the atmosphere than the inside of the can. If the atmosphere is closer in pressure to the can, there will be less bubbles and less fizz.
Thanks everyone. So there is a lot of fizz potential but no actual fizz!
As an aersopace engineer with more than 20 years working in aircraft development, I feel so glad to see a video like this. Factual and to the point. Great job!
My friend told me what we saw in the video, is a bit (30-40years) outdated info. Today engines operate cheaper at lower altitudes, at cruise altitude the fuel consumption is greater.
If your so smart then why haven't yall figured out the farting issue yet? Solve this issue and you'll be a retired
@@dornyeilaszlo
Your comment is well-intentioned but only an opinion, and like our southern outlet, we all have one that blasts smelly hot air. If you can provide a reference that clearly supports your idea, it might be worth reading.
Thanks for your interest and contribution.
@@BoleDaPole
Your comment was full of hot air!
Oh poor soul lost any common sense when you became an aerospace engineer.
I’ve drank tomato juice and added pepper in hundreds of Lufthansa flights over the years. Every time i bought it at home i never felt like it. Thanks a lot for revealing one of my most random life mysteries 😂
"People are smart enough to not mess with that"
Oh my man needs to be introduced to this certain species called "humans".
exactly... a person can be smart and logical, people are anything but that
In this very year some guy trippin on shrooms opened the emergency exit mid-takeoff in Thailand (where else...)
@@MrHungrySimon at nearly every station on the Stockholm commuter train network they announce "please press the button to open the door when it's green". There are 3 stations in the very central areas where you don't need to, so how people are so stupid that this needs to be announced more or less everytime..... Smh.
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Clearly he has never worked retail.
The ISS actually expands and contracts also every time it orbits due to thermocycling from exposure to the sun and space. That's one of the main reasons why space stations have a limited life.
That's very interesting
Makes sense to me, it would be a big temperature difference between SUN light and shade.
Good point. At the same time, an insulation must exist. So the question becomes is the same structure responsible for maintaining thr pressure also subject to these temperature changes
@h6ss4 oh my, a very good question indeed!
ISS circles the Earth in roughly 90minutes.
Going as high as 250 degrees F (121 C) on the sunny side and as low as -250 degrees F (-157 C) on the dark side.
So it has more circles on expand/contract that you can imagine.
Similarly to some of the other comments, I studied Aeronautical engineering for four years, worked for Rolls Royce jet engines in the defence aerospace sector and been an airline pilot now for 12 years. I’ve loved Veritasium videos for years and this just proves to me how well researched these videos are. Thanks for all your effort, accuracy and clarity!
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So you can afford sending 10K so I can buy a car? 😢
A.I. post. The content of this post makes it a lie/artificially created post. The numbers in the username makes your post irrelevant.
Haha I also worked in RR Defence. Fun times, eh?
0:17 40 Million flights per year🤯
PETTER! So happy to see Mentour Pilot getting some love. His channel took me from extreme flight anxiety in 2016 to a regular flier who, gasps, enjoys it! I love learning more and more about flight/planes, it has opened up the world for me.
Yeah I watch both of their videos the moment they release. This is a great collaboration. Peter has soooooo much knowledge on planes it's insane.
Me too. And the book.
Same here. 20 years without flying. I promised a friend I would go with her to Ireland. Also because Ireland is an amazing place and Irish people are incredibly nice, but first and foremost to go with my friend... So I booked a refundable ticket (yeah, not so brave...) and started watching videos about planes just to have perfect excuses to cancel the trip, because I was so afraid. I ended up on Petter's channel. No sensationalism, no overdramatisation, just a professional and detailed look on every accident, with a focus on what ended up being updated, changed, bettered... I wouldn't say I love flying (it there's a reasonably longer train ride instead, I'll gladly choose it!), but I'm way less afraid of flying now.
@@BD-nt3ee this is fantastic and I’m proud of you. It wasn’t easy, but you did it and you allowed a professional to give you real facts to start counteracting the ones our brains come up with on their own. If anyone ever asks about my journey or mentions they have similar fears, I go out of my way to recommend Mentour Pilot.
Just arrived home from a big travel and your video made it so much better! Thank you!
So glad to hear thank you!
Talking about "What Everyone Gets Wrong About Planes", I'm still sometimes thinking about those poor people who clung to a departing American plane in Afghanistan
Like, incoming winds of 900km/h, -50°C, pressure so low that you can't breathe, no place to get a grip, etc
I know they most likely didn't know all that stuff but it's fascinating and terrifying how people thought they could survive it
sounds servivalble if desperate enough.
It's not even that they didn't know all stuff. It's that that was their only glimpse of hope.
@@fenilkheni9494 i don't think so
It's not that the people thought they could survive through it
It's more about the people scared about living through what's happening on the ground that they were trying to escape
And we all know the human brain doesn't stay fully rational in face of anxiety like that
@@daemoneko exactly, its the level of 'im dead if i stay, i have to chance anything'
I think this is the first ad/sponsor I actually went ahead and subscribed to, like ever, on TH-cam.
Thank you.
I am an airline pilot and simulator instructor for a major airline. You nailed it! You hit all the little things on the head and covered the common misconceptions I see from pilots themselves. Going to send this video to future students.
And pilots with outdated beliefs wearing ridiculous symbols on their uniform. An 'instructor' should begin stopping these silly things.
I'm a simulator pilot with over 90,000 flight hours and yea, this video is good introduction to novices entering the filed. 👍
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ven a 10-year-old or a 12-year-old should be able to deduce from first principles why a jet plane flies at 30,000 ft to 40,000 ft and the reason primarily they fly that high is because of less aerodynamic drag due to the lower density of air. So that you can for the same amount of thrust , you use less fuel, And still be able to maintain enough velocity to achieve lift for that altitude. ( Also, jet engines are designed to work at maximum efficiency around that altitude, Also flying above turbulence but these are secondary reasons).. Also the reason you cannot open doors is because of the pressure difference. While interior of a jetliner is pressurized to one atmospheric pressure. The pressure outside is much lower due to the altitude and air density it's flying at .A reasonably smart 10- 12-Year-Old should be able to deduce this from first principles!. Are majority of people idiots?
So why don't planes fly even higher than $30 or 40,000 feet, for even lower aerodynamic drag at the lower air density at higher altitude? Reason is yes, your aerodynamic drag will drop even further, but the velocity requirement that would be required to generate enough lift in the thin air of the higher altitude would also increase, needing greater thrust. It is sort of a u-curve. And 30 to 40,000 is usually The Sweet Spot for maximum efficient fuel efficiency. Also, there needs to be like a greater degree of pressure frame structural stresses that you need to protect against because of the greater pressure differential at the higher altitude (interior of a jet is always pressured to one atmosphere, while beyond 30 to 40,000 ft outside pressure is even lower). Also, jet engines are designed for maximum efficiency at certain altitudes windows. For these various reasons, 30 to 40 000 ft is The Sweet Spot. Anyway, I don't expect a 10 or 12-year-old to figure out the this part, but the original point I made should be evident and should be able to be deduced from first principles..
@@aryangod2003 I do agree this seems to be mostly basic knowledge that even a child would know. However I have come to the understanding of acquired knowledge supersedes the old common sense approach.
An excellent example is slippery when wet signs, or even 1st year apprentice on their first day. I feel it's better to acquire knowledge and not just believe you know it already. This in turn avoids accidents.
For instance, I knew planes go higher to save costs (along with safety of concerning lower heights plus noise).
I understood the air was 'lighter' or thinner, so obviously less resistance.
But I didn't have all the tech associated with it, or the exact reason why it's 30,000 and not 25,000. Clearly the atmosphere and even the Earth's circumference is valid.
I basically have never acquired this knowledge (no need to learn). And my common sense towards it may even be mistaken!
@@aryangod2003the major reason why commercial flights cannot go much higher than 40kft is because of air density is well, since at higher altitudes the engines will lack the oxygen (cecause of very low O2 density) so the fuel wont be able to ignite properly. Some Military airplanes’ engines are designed a bit diffrently and they can support flights up to 70-80kft
I've always absolutely loved Mentour Pilot's channel! I still remember the day I found it I binged it for many days. The amount of technical details that Petter makes easy to digest allowed me to get a little bit into aviation I never thought I would
I can relate! I was doing a lego ISS when I first came across his channel and have seen every accident breakdown since. You couldn’t have said it better. He’s the only reason I got Microsoft Flight Simulator 😅
My suggestion is to try another channel named "Green Dot Aviation"... Really good explanation on simulation basis
Slightly unrelated... as a truck driver... I recently undid a lugnut on a trailer wheel hub, by hand...
This means, the last guy had a retorque notice that he chose to ignore (or lost and forgot)... and a tire could have come off within a trip or two (while at highway speed.)
It's a good thing the aviation industry is held to such scrutiny... much more so than the ground transportation industry. We... on the ground... have a long way to go. Truckers are always whining about 'restrictions' and 'inspections'... but how many of my 'co-workers' actually 'do their required pretips thoroughly?'
Some just sign off as good without checking anything (I've even seen trainers doing this...)
I'm assuming that's exactly how it works at Boeing as well 😂
@@Moto848 boeing kinda proves the regulation isnt enough.... no one should be dying to some company's laziness to redesign their plane for the new electric motors they want to install
Hi guys, just wanted to say. I wash trucks and I want to fly . Just wanted to let that be known....
This is why I will never vote for Trump. Him wanting all regulations to be gone is pure insanity.
Many industries have policies "written in blood". An FYI for anyone reading who hasn't come across the term. It means the rule exist because someone died to motivate it
I absolutely freaking LOVE mentour pilot. I'm so glad he made an appearance in this video!
As an aerospace engineer with over 20 years experience and someone who manufactures door lock actuators, the doors are actually locked on certain airplane models (i.e. Boeing 777). Flight lock actuators lock the doors of an aircraft when the weight-on-wheels signal is false (meaning the aircraft is not on-ground). This actuator moves a pin/rod into a locking meachanism effectively locking the door while in flight.
I fly the Boeing 777 and was here to add this. I'm glad I'm not the first person who noticed.
So you can't open the door if you make a belly landing, or water landing, or if the landing gear collapses. Nice.
@@niconico3907 British Airways Flight 38 would like a word with you
@@niconico3907 No, the logic for the doors is such that it would be unlocked in an emergency.
From memory, on the B787 one engine has to be running and airspeed above 80 knots for the lock to engage. Its de-energised to unlock with no electrical power.
@@niconico3907that was my first question but figured there had to be an explanation. Glad a few folks cleared it up
My favorite two channels in one video? I must be dreaming. I was scared of flying but watching Mentour Pilot allowed me to go through turbulence without even paying attention to it. Thanks Derek for this video.
Grow the f up.
“What everyone gets wrong on planes is their drink order” - Derek while sipping on his Bloody Mary
@RUCP.RU_oN_The_Seach535don't you mean, how do you do fellow kids?
I usually order a Bloody Mary on early morning flights. Interestingly, tomato juice is mentioned in this episode about flying.
Ugh, shots of JD!
If noise would boost tomato juice consumption, it would be a very popular club drink, which it is not. I think apple and tomato juice are popular because they are not carbonated. Carbonated drinks fizz different because of the lower cabin pressure.
It sounds like something a Vampire would drink
That interference you hear when ATC is talking to the airplane is when the controller has his phone sitting on his desk and has an incoming call. The signal is hitting the Air Traffic controller’s mic. It’s not from a phone in the back of the plane. 13:28
Thank you for having Petter (Mentour) on your channel. He is one of the best aviation channels, if not the best, out there! Awesome collaboration, its like suddenly bumping into an old friend. Very pleasurable surprise!
Agree!
7:37 "Bag of chips just popped by itself" is code for "I just farted."
😂😂
I will use this expression regularly from now on 😏
Haha, good idea 😂
I’m incredibly gassy when I fly. I fart like no other; and they’re always so forceful. It’s as if my trumpeting ass finally decides to have a personality and wants to chat.
It’s also often smelly. So on long haul flights, I’d tuck myself on all sides with the blanket. I’d often not allow my other end from talking by stretching out that starfish butt hole as much as possible as to reduce vibrations; so only forceful puffs of wind comes out. I’d then immediately dip my head into the blanket and breathe in as much of the stank as possible so others won’t be able to smell it. I’ve yet to have people complain next to me about farting in the decades I’ve been flying for my job.
7:37 is also an aircraft.
Derek and Petter are two channels I have really enjoyed independently, never would have thought of a collab but both of you are great educators and it worked really well.
That’s one of the best videos I’ve ever watched on TH-cam. Thank you!
That Hawaiian flight that blew the roof off, is where Vampire Weekend got the name from their album, ‘Only God Was Above Us’ from a quote in a newspaper after that incident.
Did not know that!
That would mean that for the Chinese, God was beneath them. Good thing most are Buddhists since that religion is atheistic.
Yessss! Love the collab with Mentour Pilot (my girlfriend and I absolutely binge his content)! I think every once in a while it should be highlighted just HOW incomprehensibly safe civil aviation has become, and how diligent those authorities, training infrastructures, airlines and pilots are - especially compared to the absolute insanity of car traffic that many people hardly think about.
Even a Boeing 737 MAX before the redesign of the terribly flawed MCAS was statistically safer than the average car ride.
That's always been an interesting comparison. Everyone is driving themselves, definitely don't do anything like a pre-flight, encounter obstacles constantly, and don't have autopilot (mostly). I wonder if you could control for those variables
I’m going to binge his content when I’m free at 1.25x speed
Seeing Mentour with Derek is something I didn't know I needed
Hard agree, that was awesome
Cringe
You like kissing boys, don't you?
For sure!
“Wake up bro, it’s the collab of the month!”
Life. Get one.
The tomato juice connection! That's wild! I do happen to drink it on the ground as I'm a natriophile, but I do order it more often on a plane than most other beverages. Cool to know why!
Finally! I'm so thankful when creators do the metric conversion and display it on screen. ❤
Got curious today and checked when I subscribed to the channels I watch and was surprised to see Veritasium as my longest subscription. Can't believe it's been over 7yrs now and the content just keeps getting better
do not underestimate the battery issue! If you don't go on plane mode, your phone will try harder and harder to reach a ground antenna, draining your battery super fast
And how does it "try harder and harder"?
@@I_Am_Your_Problem progressively increasing signal strength. As you can imagine, more strength = more battery drain
@@I_Am_Your_ProblemThe protocol of looking for signal is very energy demanding. Maintaining a signal is not. So usually you only have to use the LFS protocol maybe once or twice
But in a plane, these towers would be moving so fast that the protocol would barely be finished with its handshake protocol before losing the tower, and then have to start over again. Or just not find any available towers and stay in the looking for signal protocol.
Both of which are decent power drains
This is a great explanation @@eyeswulf
That's why I always turn on airplane mode while driving long distances, when you have all the maps you need downloaded, of course. Also, remember to shut its screen off if your next exit is far away, there's no reason to keep on looking at a screen that tells you no new information besides "go straight ahead" :)
The Australian guy talking about gas exiting the path of least resistance made my day.
A couple things to mention: taste (particularly our sense of sweet and salty) is diminished at altitude, presumably at low ambient air pressure - which is why we think food is bland in the air. For this reason, airplane food regularly has extra salt added to it to give the food "more" flavor, to offset that effect. Try eating an airline meal when you're on the ground, it's unbearably salty. Second, I regularly use my cell phone when flying my plane - it's useful to pull up weather or other information, and for use as an emergency backup. In my experience, it works reliably up to about 3500 or 4000 feet - and then only when near a built-up area. Above 4000 feet or so, the connection is so unreliable as to be useless.
its like a new world salt pork
Also flight speed. Anything much over 200mph and the phone will also not work.
I’ve been flying with a friend with an experimental plane, we always fly below 2,000 feet for the scenery and experience. Our phones work fine.
Food taste much better 30 metres under the sea at four atmospheres.
I'm a private pilot and I fly small planes, I haven't tested the limits but I've been at 10,000 feet msl, 5000 ft agl, and my phone always works fine, typically around 130-150 mph in both rural and congested areas
“Wake up bro, Mentour Pilot and Veritasium just collabed!” 😮
You and Petter are some of the only youtubers that I genuinely get excited for with new releases. It’s rare for me to find such compelling and engaging high quality content on TH-cam. I love you guys!
Oh man, Mentour Pilot on Veritasium. Instant like!!!
Exactly! Felt very happy
Coolest collab ever! I watch every video from both of these guys
It’s nice to see Mentour Pilot giving exposure to smaller channels. 😁🥸
This channel is a gem in today's world. You always come up with something really interesting and meaningful. Kudos for that !
200 people talking loudly on cell phones would be a disaster. Quiet is appreciated.
It's not about talking, it's about 200 watts of radio interference at sub-1 GHz long-range frequencies due to phones trying to ping cell towers at max power each.
@@PredatoryQQmber Don't think you watched the whole video. @dustinsullivan7216 was referencing that the EU is trying to make calls on planes a normal thing. Also they pointed out that phones don't cause interference.
@@jackchandelier I don't think you've read my whole comment. I was referring to the nature of radio signals, which I, apparently, know better than either you or the professional yapper in the video. In fact, they even said in the video itself for the likes of you that standard 1 watt of interference is very difference from hundreds. Even if plane's internals are isolated, your body isn't and it may actually shorten your life, unlike some annoying yapping. Besides, people nowadays are glued to social media brainrot and not talking much.
@@PredatoryQQmberyou sure do a lot of yapping for someone who likes to claim that’s what others do 🤔
@@kevinkevinson22 I don't remember sending you my 20-minute long professional yapping video. And yet I'm already living rent-free in your head, apparently.
Petter! What's funny is that when Veritasium asked the opening question, "How high do planes fly?" I immediately began rambling off an answer in my head, ending with, "And I know all that thanks to Mentour Pilot." And then a minute later, he appeared, as if summoned by my response.
This is exactly what happened to me
Yeah, everyone following the Mentour Pilot channel knew that airplanes fly that high because of the air density and fuel consumption. We learned a lot from Petter over the years.
Did you get the "Twilight Zone" music in your head when Petter appeared ? Spooky 😉
Thank you for summoning him, the rest of us appreciate it!
Mentour Pilot x Veritasium crossover???? Loving it!!!!
I've grown an interest in aviation through Petter, and was absolutely delighted to see him featured here!! ♥
One of the few videos that I was abolsutely glued onto right from start until finish! Don't get me wrong, it's not like Dr.Derrek's videos are boring or uninformative, he's a genius who knows how to explain things really well. Its just that I'm not bright enough to understand some of his more involved and complicated videos...like that path the electricity takes (vs conventional knowledge of electrons 'flowing' in an electrical wire) - I have not understood the alternate theory that he proposed but understood enough that I don't 100% believe in the conventional theory nowadays!
You'd think Mentour's channel would make me feel more afraid of flying but i actually developed a love for aviation thanks mostly to his videos.
i like his channels because he dives deep into aviation. not just crashes and incidents but also what's going on behind the scenes.
Well i think the key thing is that aviation incidents pretty much happen once. My aerospace engineering teacher would often tell absolutely horrifying stories of catastrophes but theyd all end with "and so thats why xyz rule was implemented and there hasnt been a problem since" which is fairly comforting.
I remember in the 90's taking a flight from Reykjavík to Miami and listening to my fm radio as we travelled down the east coast. The channels were clear-ish and gently passed from one to another, music and news all mixed up. It was lovely...
Oh, you air savage
Great video. I've been a professional aviator for 32 years. I would just point out that until recently all commercial aircraft brought outside air into the cabin through the engines. Today, 90% of flights are like this. But the newest wide-body aircraft (like the 787) do not bring air inside through the engine (this can prevent unwanted fumes from being diverted from the engine to the passengers). Finally, these newer planes fuselages are made of carbon (not metal) and therefore are more pressurized and less dry, leading to a healthier flying experience and less fatigue!
The 787 uses dedicated cabin air compressors powered by electric motors.
is there a reason why it's so cold on board of intercontinental flights and quite pleasant on domestic / EU flights? I never understood why they won't turn up the temperature when people are wearing jackets onboard
@@singleproppilot Is that what they had problems with fires in the early days after rolling out the 787?
@@444mm I've wondered about this too. I just always figured it was the smaller planes with people crammed in closer and not as much air circulation. But on thinking about it, that probably really shouldn't make a difference -- these planes have plenty of air circulation and have access to -50C air outside.
im a crew chief for the C-5 Galaxy, and we bring in the hot air from the engines and also cold ram air from the armpit of the wing, then the 2 different temp air mix kinda like your kitchen faucet depending on what you set the temp to.
What an awesome surprise to see two of my favorite TH-camrs collaborating! Thanks Petter and Derek for years of education, entertainment and enlightenment.
It’s weird how such a small crack can cause the entire top of the plane to fly off. It’s a miracle only one person was killed.
every crack ever made, started as a small crack
brother a person died
@@bizw yeah that’s what I said
Yeah but also rip that person
The square windows also contributed as they had weak points in the corners- that's why windows are way rounder now
Two videos in less than a week?!! I'm all for it!
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Sounds like Derek and his crew are kicking it into high gear!
Just saying,he did that fairly recently in the avalanche video and the black hole video.
I feel like you always screen out the answers to questions like “how high do planes fly” so only the very worst answers are selected. You just get a lot of sensible answers compared to the few silly ones. Anyway great video, learnt a lot!
The reason FM radios operating on "adjacent frequency bands" is relevant is that they are superheterodyne receivers, and they have local oscillators that are either 10.7 MHz above or below the tuned frequency. If above the FM band, that's right on top of the aircraft navigation band... and in the past, these receivers leaked a lot more energy from the local oscillators than they do now.
FM receivers are also transmitters. That's cool.
@@meetmobility All superheterodyne receivers are also transmitters. In the US, FCC Part 15 applies radiated power limits to encourage proper shielding. In the UK, this is how the detection of unlicensed TV receivers worked.
@@meetmobility Looked at like that, every electrical device is a transmitter.
And a shed load of harmonics from the mixer!
You used to have to turn off WiFi as well. Until the airlines figured out they can sell you WiFi internet. Then it became perfectly safe. Remarkable.
Also wifi pineapple and putting up a fake network for idiots to do banking through...😂😂😂
@@ryshellso526 How would you feel if other people calls you an idiot?
WiFi actually has to be paid or else the limited speed of satellite internet would be easily overwhelmed
And they demanded every supplier test and certify all aircraft systems against EMS at frequencies used phones but didn’t want to pay for testing or changes if it failed.
Devices searching for a wifi signal use their maximum power. If everybody's phone and laptop were searching for an access point that isn't there, that would be the most possible interference. If they just provide access points to find, the devices actually transmit less, and devices that are on but not logged in do very little, since they're neither downloading a big update nor searching for a network.
13:40 Please don't! The last thing most of us need on a flight is to spend it listening to THAT person that will talk on the phone for all of it...
HEADLINES OVER KEY DETAILS.....spot on! A great piece very well done. 👍
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Petter and Derek
Mentour Pilot & Veritasium ❤❤
I love it!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
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The Veritasium - Mentour Pilot collaboration we never knew we needed!! Yay!
Finally, a video that debunks all those plane myths-this should be mandatory viewing for anyone who flies!
Probably best to keep it to yourself. We don't want the kook who plans to crash a plane by opening a door to come up with a new plan.
Two of my favourite channels come together! I love learning and these are the best!
As a pilot, this is the very first Veritasium video I’ve completely understood from start to finish!
Mentour Pilot cameo!!!!!!!!!!
Instant like! 🥰
Holy moly! I’ve watched like all Mentour Pilot’s videos, so seeing Petter on here was awesome! 2:19
Awesome video! And having Peter from Mentor pilot on is a bonus! I watch all of his videos and yours too! Thanks!
Keeping passengers belted on their seats during final approach has the added benefit of preventing somebody ooening the door when the presssure differential is almost gone
No one physically keeps anyone in their seat… everyone who has opened a door in the recent past has been able to open it whenever they want, despite the “rules” u mentioned… this is ignorant and doesn’t actually prevent anything. It’s a guide that should be followed but isn’t always followed
@@DAYOUJRP They were making an ironic joke.
In 1999, a man in the UK was convicted and sentenced to a year in jail for refusing to switch off his mobile phone. That in itself is not surprising, but what is are the claims that were made by the so-called experts at that time...
*Although Whitehouse made no airborne calls, aviation experts told a three-day trial that radio waves from the phone could have sparked an explosion or affected the Boeing 737's navigational systems as it flew at 31,000 feet.*
It is not the case that radio waves "could have sparked an explosion", and this is why we should always question experts and authorities, and why free speech and an adversarial judicial process is so crucial to both truth and justice. We should follow the law, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question the law or the policies and authorities that govern us.
Probably the same reason that gas stations have that sign to turn off our phones... As if phones generate 100kV sparks...
As someone who never accepts "being told what to do" without asking WHY, (and discovering that the vast majority of cases, perhaps 90%, have no better reason that "an expert decided") I am under no illusion that most experts merely have experience, and no understanding. Nobody stops to consider WHY things are done the way they are, and as a result, we have a plethora of obsolete and outdated rules that simply have no reason to be applied anymore.
@@ΝίκοςΙστοσελίδα Contrary to popular belief, even a smoldering cigarette does not ignite gasoline.... at least, not easily. I have been unsuccessful in my attempts.
@@ΝίκοςΙστοσελίδα The real reason they're still banned is because people can get distracted, forget the pump is in their car and then drive off with the pump still attached. At least in the US since we don't have auto filling pumps in the Europe. It's far easier to just outright ban it than to fully test it.
@@paulstandaert5709 True, I've tried this too. The reason it's banned at petrol / gas stations is because the process usually involves someone lighting the cigarette, which is the dangerous part.
7:18 dude didnt even wait for the question to be finished lmao
Hearing the magic word of the question instantly activated the answer area of his brain, he must have experienced some unforgettable unpleasant moments on a plane 😂
His daughter😂😂😂
@@gregoryturk1275 she knows all too well
@@SCIENCEbyDrGauthier😂
@@gregoryturk1275😂😂😂😂😂😂
absolutely love the way the man at 3:08 talks. I was hoping he would say "costs less dollaridoos".
Loving the Mentour Pilot collab!❤
What I've learned: If you want to escape an airplane, wait till someone flushes the toilet.
That's actually smart. For better chances, get a bunch of friends that flush all toilets at the same time 👍
😂
Don't drop a b**b in there 😂
13:45 It's interesting that every time there is a problem for customers, American agencies do very little... but the EU is already working to solve it. Calls on Flights, USB connections, privacy, etc.
Eu is the best place to live
Common EU W. Plain and simple: the EU cares about its citizens, the US cares about its businesses
I'm not sure if calls on planes is a good thing though. We could do without it in my opinion solely from a noise perspective
@@Kanbei11 that was actually my guess for airplane mode being required. i just figured they didn't want to deal with the noise of people on phone calls.
I think that is because EU spends less time on taking over the world, Pinky. 😊
The plane door pressure differential reminds me of a large reach in freezer with fans that create a partial vacuum after closing. You can't open the doors no matter how hard you try.
Happy to see Mentour Pilot here 🎉
"I make sure my parents have airplane mode on their phones so I can have it off" HAHAHAHAHA, I love that guy
That was my philosophy a few years back when the mask-wearing mandate was lifted. If most people around weren't wearing one, I'd put mine on. If they were, then I'd go without.
@@teeteetuu94 Clever!
@@teeteetuu94 "Masktard Logic"
@@haywoodyoudomeif you don't get vaccinated then my vaccination won't work!
Very clever
17:25 The Ground News ad starting just as the plane entered frame - while taxiing - was a huge coincidence lol
Holy crap, I think you’re on to something.
Cool to see mentourpilot on this channel. Definitely have learned much from both of you. Thanks
I am so indescribably happy to see that Mentour Pilot got on such a big channel! Nice work!
A derg :3
“the more you know, the safer you’ll feel” what a quote ❤
Explains Trump supporters perfectly!
@@JohnnySilverbullet Nah at this point they are perfectly safe to fly again. They don't need more PR drama that is going to make their stock crumble.
@@manilkasheran2934why are you bringing politics in here
I agree but there is an counter argument for that as well, The more you know, The more unsafe you'll feel.
It's really depends on the individual we are talking to.
In a perfect word yes, That's the optimal approach to life (excluding couple of subjects that's better to not know more about if you know what I mean).
That's mot accurate. You feel less safe when you know more because you know all the tons of things that can go wrong and anyone in the chain of events that could cause your death could be an idiot and not do things right.
Mentor Pilot is awesome. Kudos for interviewing him.
A question for any aeronautical engineers out there: the video asserted that planes are metal Faraday cages. Are they still? To what extent do are pressure-hulls now made of plastic composites that are transparent to radio waves? Or do they still need a sort of 'chicken-wire matrix' inside the plastic, to resist lightning strikes?
Yes. There is a copper mesh embedded in.
That specific noise he's making at 13:05 is, or at least was, in many areas called the "GSM gallop". In the 2000s when practically everyone had phones like that you could anticipate a call coming in by a few seconds when you heard that noise on eg. your computer speakers. But in 2024 practically no one uses GSM ("2G") phones anymore, everyone's at least on 3G with the overwhelming majority on 4 or 5G now, where these kinds of radio interference just don't happen. T-Mobile is the only major carrier in the US still operating 2G networks and even that likely won't last but mere months until final shutdown. The FCC needs to ditch the ancient and ridiculously outdated rule that was never supported by any good evidence in the first place.
It honestly doesn't matter if the rule exists or not because I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people don't follow it anyways. Thousands of people fly every day and trusting that every person on every plane would abide by the rules is ridiculous. It's not even enforced and short of taking everyone's phones at the beginning of the flight it never could be. That one guy even said "I'm a rebel" and doesn't turn it off. Hundreds of millions of people with that same mentality. "Yeah we've been told that having your phone on COULD cause this airplane to crash (even though it's not true) but I'm a REBEL and no one is going to tell ME to turn my phone on airplane mode." And considering the wildly stupid answers many of them gave to questions we are talking about the potential for someone as dumb as a box of rocks to bring down an airplane with a phone.
Fortunately having phones on doesn't make a difference because if it did there would be either significantly more crashes or an insane change to regulations. I think every plane being equipped with a Faraday cage including over the windows would be the solution over forcefully taking people's phones. So yes we can get rid of the rule but it doesn't matter if we don't.
I always wondered what happened to that sound.
You can immediately tell that having it off won't do anything because if it did, they wouldn't put a short message and hope you follow it, it would be a huge scandal of you merely had it on you
I'm a flight attendant in America and I work with some (usually old-head) flight attendants who demand every passenger show their phones during compliance checks. It takes forever and causes so many arguments. One coworker in particular always invokes, 'you don't want to break a federal law, do you?' I always drop my trips scheduled with them so I don't suffer from negative passenger reviews 😂
Another point of view in using phones is that in an event of an emergency, you are probably the least prepared individual. While nervous flyers take note of every exit, how to use the lifevests etc. And in an actual emergency like fire during takeoff, people who are aware are usually the first ones to react, and let me tell you, a second difference of reaction is life or death
I am on a 15 hour bus ride, it’s almost over and I have watch SO. MANY. Of your videos, thx for keeping me entertained 👍🏼
Well educated too
Where u going bro
Goin from central fl to Washington DC
It is bad enough being stuck in a tin can with 300 strangers. Being stuck with 300 people talking on their phone will result in me finding other options.
People don't make phone calls on the ground. You think they want to on a plane?
@@cbernier3 Yes I do you know why? Because they do make phone calls on the ground
@cbernier3 In public transport they do. Anytime they are stuck somewhere in transit, someone will call someone to pass the time and make everyone listen to their conversation.
@@orangebeagle3068 this video is about airplanes, not public transport. And that doesn't happen often at all. I ride public transit all the time, and there usually isn't even one person on the phone. Never once has every single passenger been on the phone at the same time.
Besides, why don't you have your headphones on?
@@samstromberg5593 people minimize making phone calls. I hate having to make phone calls. Certainly not gonna do it from a plane. Especially not at ridiculous phone call prices. Why would I pay crazy airplane phone prices when the Wi-Fi is free. You aren't too bright.
Fantastic as usual! I've learned so much from your videos❤
Mentour Pilot! Love the guy. I think of his videos whenever I'm on a plane 🙃
I was always a really nervous flyer. I've found that the disaster breakdown videos actually helped me get over a lot of that nervousness.
Not surprised. You sound like an American. Given US is like a third world compared to China, I can imagine flying is like an exotic concept to you
@@Ps5prolite what? lmao
@@Ps5prolitewhat kind of drugs are you in dude
@@Ps5prolite In case anybody was wondering, flights per capita in 2019, the US is below the UK, Portugal and Spain. And above Italy, France, Austria and Germany. And all of those are well above places like Indonesia, Morocco, Romania, Argentina and Hungary. So in a sense, the US is pretty middle to low average across the board, even though the board is so wide. With a range from like 0.03 to above 10 flights. ~47 countries reported below a 0.1. And ~128 recorded below a 1. The US is at 2. (China at 0.46)
Now, you also have this weirdly specific knowledge thanks to this bad actor or bad ai bot.
@@Piez7 Americans are peasants compared to Chinese lmao
This missed my favorite part of the "airplane mode" silliness: many passengers were *against* allowing calls.
The FCC asked for comments from the public when they were debating dropping the ban on calls. Here's a pretty clear example of the common theme:
"Flying commercially is already a sufficiently miserable experience without being forced to listen to other passengers' conversations."
Couldn't agree more. Especially since so many people seem to think the best way to make a call is at max speaker volume with the phone held out in front of them.
"Hey, could you please keep it down? I'm making a phone call here! OK, sorry about that - so anyway I says to Mabel, I says…"
I take long bus rides. I am totally onboard with cellphone bans on public transport.
All I'm hearing is that airlines are about to make a lot of money selling business class
@@dielaughing73 to be fair i sometimes talk on the speaker because its easier for me to hear someone like that, but i never, and i repeat, never do this in public
Loving this content. So daring using experimental setups at this level of expectation and still delivering 🔥
Two of my favorite youtubers in one video! I love it!
15:27 Why would they order it in a plane to begin with if they don't even order it on ground? How did they know they will like it in a plane?
Honestly on all my flights I’ve maybe heard one or two people order tomato juice.
5:28 so your telling me if I flush the toilet enough times I can make the air un breathable
😂
Well, if you need to flush the toilet THAT many times in the first place, the air in the plane will be unbreathable already
@@Georgian_guy-1 😂😂
But the engines regularly repressurize the plane, which will casually undo your efforts.
@@ShlokParab oh😂😂
Love your work Derek. Graphics are so good. You deserve the views you get. Curious as to how many people are in your team?
Thank you for the excellent, ongoing series. This video is a good discussion. There is an important additional reason that transonic transports fly high. This is to match engine thrust and airplane drag. Here's why: Piston and turbine engine efficiency benefits from increased compression ratio. Turbine compression ratio increases with compressor RPM. Slowing the engine reduces efficiency. Turbine engine efficiency also benefits from high throttle setting (high combustion temperature). Cruise efficiency is usually optimized near 80% throttle. Key point: for efficiency, turbines run near full throttle in all flight phases except descent. Thrust force at 80% throttle decreases with air density, so thrust drops at high altitude despite a high throttle setting. To take off in a practical distance, airliners have a thrust to weight ratio of about 1:3. But in cruise, a thrust to weight ratio of about 1:20 is needed. This is achieved by flying high where the air is less dense and the engines make less thrust despite the high throttle setting. Doing the math, a density reduction to 1/4 may approximately decrease thrust to weight from 1/3 to 1/12. Much of the rest of the reduction results from the increase in airspeed at altitude - this also reduces thrust. Some call the design process of matching the airplane and engine "engine-airframe matching". It is a key aspect of preliminary airplane design. Thanks again for your educational efforts! I am a big fan.
One common misconception is that in Spain, the rain mainly falls on the planes
This is a fairly plain plane joke.
Best comment ever 😂
That was excellent.
Well dont leave us hanging. Where does it fall?
this comment is mainly pain upon the brain (jk, love it)
13:11 That type of interference only happened with GSM phones because they used *time division multiple access*, the beep is the radio bursting info when it’s time slot comes. Modern phones use code division multiple access and are always encoding information on the air.
I loved the old GSM phones; they were extremely useful to quickly check whether an electronic device had adequate RF shielding/immunity.
I hated the manager type guy who put his phone right next to the live concert PA system.
If you're getting a beep like that when a phone is in proximity, you are not passing CE certification most likely (unless you bribe the company doing the testing)
He mentioned 800Mhz. That was the old Nextel network. It would come across on everything. The joke was that you could hear calls coming across on fire hydrants. The US moved phones off 800Mhz years ago.
Please make a video on the topic: Google Debuts New Quantum Chip, Error Correction Breakthrough, and Roadmap Details