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- This video is a reference depicting bad ice machine components due to lack of maintenance. This situation could have been prevented if proper care was taken on the owners part to have a program in place. The machine was put into service in February 2018 and failed in October 2019.
Scotsman Ice Machine
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Also any of you guys have any commercial kitchen refrigeration channels I could look into that covers all possible appliances being hot and cold appliances. Thanks in advance
I have the exact same auger and motor I need to replace. So you said it’s Bout the same price as a new machine
Depends on the size of the machine. Various models range from $4,500 to about $5,500 depending on who you buy from. The evaporator is a part number 02435021 and cost is $1,388.32 and the auger (12 inch long) is a A38071021 and the cost is $807.34. If you know the refrigeration side of an ice machine and have the tools, you can repair and replace for less than a new machine. Good luck
Hi Gus! I am trying to change the bearings, but I don't know which bearings to buy. Could you please help us? Thank you very much!
So I just replaced the water seal on the bottom of the evaporator because the old one was leaking and filling up that little plastic pan. So, with the new one installed I still have the same leaking problem. Any ideas what my problem could be?
Rebuild it every 2 years or replace it your choice. The gear case shank gets sloppy and it crashes
Bad evap
Bad water seal
Possibly bad gearbox assembly
New bearing
Bad Auger
Excessive scale build up ( might need to re insulate some areas
Yeah all that alone in parts only not to mention labor you are going to pay close to what a new nugget machine is. If its under warranty your good but in my personal opinion these nugget/flaker ice machines will go down most of the time I would not recommend for residential use
I keep getting dark brown ice even after cleaning. Water going in is clear. Could it be a rusted auger causing it, or a bad bearing? You would think stainless steel parts would prevent this. On top of that, after my 2nd cleaning it suddenly stopped making ice. It's not taking water and everything is freezing over. The full bin light is not on. I'll turn it off over night and try it again tomorrow. I'll look for any resets too. It did squeal a few times. It's 9 years old.
Definitely check the breaker bearing and water seal. You’ll have to take it apart. If you remove the breaker and auger you should be able to look down into the evaporator and find the culprit. If it is the water seal it’s possible water got into the gears in which case it will need to be replaced. Check for damage on the auger and evaporator walls too. Empty the water from the evaporator by pulling off the tube connected at the bottom and catch the water. You may find metal shavings or a clue to what’s going on.
Thanks for the fast reply. Started up the Scotsman and it's at least making ice again. Now I'll wait and see if the ice stays clear after my cleaning. I'll keep you posted.
Its probably the seal on the braker
@@mariocesp yeah, water was getting in and rusting the gears and the ball bearings producing rust and making the water brown. It was a 10 year old Scotsman machine.
@@East_Owl you called it. Water seal leaking by.
Gus - I'm trying to replace my graphite bearing. I ordered the replacement part and I can see that the current one has been worn down because its an oval shape now instead of a circle. How do i get the old graphite bearing out in order to slip the new one in? Do i just place the new one in when I get the old one out or is this glued in (based on how hard it is to get this old one out!) Also, any other maintenance i should be doing while i've got this apart? When i pull the auger out there is graphite all over the bottom of it. Also, i don't have any grease in mine but it's a slightly different model (SCN60 - home unit). Any advice is appreciated here. pics available if there's a better way to contact.
Hi Danacohennolan1102! Could you please tell me which bearings to buy it? I am trying to change the bearings here, but I don't know which one to buy it. Thank you!
I’m replacing the evaporator coil and have an urgent question. I took the auger out of it but somehow it won’t come out. How do you take evaporator out?
There is some hardware below the evap that needs to be removed. You’ll have to recover the refrigerant as well.
@@East_Owl I already recovered refrigerant and unsweated lineset and everything done. I didn’t know there is some hardware to remove from below. Still confused. Can you explain me a little more detail? By the way, thank you so much for quick respond!
Remove the insulation below the evap and you’ll find some bolts that need to be taken out so you can pull evap away from the drain pan and gear section.
@@East_Owl Ahhh, I have remove the insulation first. Got it! This information I couldn't find anywhere from their manual. I really appreciate for your golden tip. Please keep up to load great videos. Again, thanks to share your knowledge and experience.
Oh, wiat! I'm sorry but I already removed the black insulation and removed (4) 1/2" stainless steel bolts. Then I tried to pull strait up but it won't comes out. That's the reason I asked for help. Any other thing that I missed?
How can take breaker off please
If the auger is scarred do you have to replace? What happens if you just replace the bearing? machine is not used for eating just ice chests thanks
The manufactures recommendation would be to replace auger, freezer and breaker. It’s a liability issue if left damaged as it’s possible a passerby won’t know if there is any risk of injury if they get ice. I’d follow the MFG guideline.
@@East_Owl thanks for reply, don't really see how any injury could occur but understand legal issues. Have you found that other split bearings work? I have found some whose specs seem correct but cost is 1/3
I haven’t used any aftermarket parts. If I remember correctly, you’ll need a bearing press to get it inside the breaker. For ease we just replace the breaker.
So, what is it about preventive maintenance that would have saved this machine?
Eyes on this on a regular basis would have ensured the breaker bearing would have stayed properly greased and the rest of the machine would have been inspected as well chemically cleaned to remove build up. It’s better to catch a worn bearing before it becomes a bigger problem.
Gus Garcia - this bearing should not wear this quickly if well manufactured. And, the manufacturer I believe has changed to a sealed bearing. And there should be cleaning and sanitizing instructions with the machine as well an amber lite to inform the owner the machine is in need of cleaning.
Sounds like the installer did not educate the owner as he/she should.
Gus Garcia - as well, the NO model I believe is now a sealed bearing as with the HID. and as I remember, the no longer made MDT series had an open bearing too.
If installed in 2018 and the unit new when installed, I say the bearing should not fail in this short time. Probably the seal failed allowing moisture into the bearing.
You’re right. Thanks for the input!
Gus Garcia - I should know, I work for Scotsman 😊
Can you replace the water seal without having to remove the line set?
bdmonist Yes, assuming you mean bottom seal, there are four bolts at bottom of the evap. where it attaches to the gear box. 1/2 hex head bolts. Unbolt them and separate evap from gearbox. Lift if up high enough so you can see in evap. from bottom view. You’ll see a clip ring. Remove it, and reach in with a couple of fingers and grab and pull out. Make sure you clean everything thing up before re-assembling. I use a light drywall sand paper on the evap near the bottom. Just my experience - if you have bad bottom seal, good chance your gear box is full of water also. At this point you need to inspect the gearbox and see if it is. First thing to check is see if your gearbox drive shaft is loose. If it is you’ll need another gearbox, which may become unfesible for the customer. Your looking at at least 850.00 or more, depending on your resale price. If the drive shaft is solid ( not wobbly ), then unbolt all the gearbox bolts and pry the top off, with maybe two chisels ( one on each side). Then open and look at the gear oil, inspecting for water. Inspect rest of bearings in gearbox. If you don’t it’ll come back and bite you later. Replace the oil if everything ok or you have replaced the bearings. Now assuming you had a good gear box without oil in it to start with, you would wanted to check the ice breaker bearings. Again, that can be unfesible for the customer if they are bad. Also if you have a bad top water seal, inside the ice breaker, those usually need to be changed. Bad top seals will result in complaints of “dirty ice”. Some techs arn’t used to changing seals, especially the top ones, so all this has to be considered, again whether it’s feasible for the customer as well as your skill level.
What gives my auger is NOT budging !!!
You will probably need to use a slide hammer.
I’ve seen worse. Wish I could put a photo in this comment
Yea, it’s funny because I was telling them for about a year and a half to let me set up a total break down of their unit to perform a proper PM and they told me it’s “working fine” and declined. Sure enough it went down. Once taken apart it was pretty disgusting. The public would not have eaten there if they knew what was going on at that time. I refuse to get ice at any restaurant not under my watch.
no PM = No warranty in my book
Hahah it's not multi 1000 dollar.. when the decale light comes on.. its better to do PM ur self..its easy
You’re right. If the owner of the machine keeps up with the PM’s the machine will last a pretty long time. But this video is the result of a lack of maintenance.
replacing the gearbox and evaporator is definitely a multi thousand dollar... gear box alone is 1500 for the part.
Hahah it's not multi 1000 dollar..
These machines are f ing TRASH......fixed this 4 times.....gonna scrape this machine this time
What are the symptoms of bad bearings on it. Will everything turn as normal from the outside if the bearing are bad ? Tks
If no one has ever checked the bearing, its time to break down that machine and do it. The bearings need to be greased per mfg recommendations.
At the start of a failed bearing it is possible it will still turn. If left unchecked it could lead to the auger scraping against the evaporator causing damage to both evap and auger to extreme cases of taking out the gears and motor. These machines are workhorses but if poorly maintained it will definitely cost a pretty penny for a repair of this magnitude.
Where can i find the maintnence requirenents? I live in chile and its even hard to find food grade grease
Follettice.com you can enter your model number and you should be able to find the info you’re looking for.
Thanks