Class Of The Titans, it’s a canadian kids show from the 2000s that was about kid friendly Greek mythology. Maybe you could pick a few random episodes and find inaccuracies
Hazbin hotel Lucifer: wait you guys were depicted as villains in your own movies I was depicted as a villain by my own fanbase and in the show they were wrong!
@@madtabby66 So...Custer goes to Valhalla despite getting a well deserved comeuppance at Little Bighorn and those Native American civilians he massacred go to Hel? Gosh!
She's not that in the comic-books. She's a neutral villain, who plays fairly if there's a precedent. She rarely leaves her domain in Niffleheim and yes, she is the daughter of Loki, unlike in this sh1t movie. And Loki is the main villain of Ragnarok in the comics, too. Again, unlike in this sh1t movie.
This dude literally watched two insanely long movies and pointed out mythical inaccuracies for us like a literal school assignment which is crazy. [In a good way] Show him some love!
@todaystheday6823 to my knowledge, only about 30% of the movie was actually scripted. It was chock full of improv and entire scenes being made up on the spot.
Fun Fact: in the comics, the original Ragnarok Storyline is MUCH darker and more serious than the film version. The story is much grander, and Thor actually DIES in that comic. I know he mainly talks about the films, but i feel like he should cover the comic version, too.
The comics are much more in line with the actual myths Like it’s actually pretty cool how they explain and adapt things to fit the marvel mythos and history. Where as the movies go for kind of a generic Greek pantheon inspired aesthetic Comic Hercules and Movie Thor are way more similar than Comic and movie thor
Which Thor comics? I had a thick book of a ton of old Thor comics. They were in black and white. He fought Ego, Crusher Creel(the absorbing man), he also fought the destroyer, fought Hercules and fought for him as his champion. There was even Olympian gods. There were mini stories in the issues showing Loki's shenanigans and planning. Some tribal chief or something found a norn stone Loki either lost or dropped or maybe even left it intentionally, i cant remember all of it. I believe some were titled "Amazing Tales" It was a book with many issues consolidated. It was cool but you could tell it was old by how extremely noble and perfect moral compass some chracters (especially as Thor) possessed. One other story was about a king that invited Thor as a guest (he hated Thor or Asgard) but he gave Thor 3 challenges to pass and Thor won two but the third was a trick. The kings wife, daughter, or mistress approached Thor the night before the challenge and told him about the trick and how to beat it. There was also a story where Thor was in control of a ship (on the water) and had a crew that trusted himz but Loki started to sow seeds of deceit which almost worked but Thor prevailed in the end. Im not sure if youre talking stories THAT old but hell i figured id ramble on with a comment nobody will even read, almost completely waisting my time on this when i could bw waisting it watching Deadpool 3 predictions and 100%"real" plot leaks www.goodreads.com/book/show/1433507.Essential_Thor_Vol_2 This was the book
@@DonPatt-eg3vt he's talking about Walt Simonson's The Surtur Saga from the 80s and early 2000s Ragnarok story. There were also multiple preludes to Ragnarok from the 60s and onward, where various elements from the myths occured in Thor's books, like him fighting Jormugandr to almost certain death, Loki leading giants against Asgard, etc. Simonson's and 2004s stories put all of the mythological elements together as oppose to keeping them seperate.
The funny thing is that supposedly in the second Doctor Strange movie Baldur was going to make a cameo, which means he isn’t dead and therefore Ragnorok shouldn’t have happened
There is nothing funny about this. It's embarrassing how sh1t these movies have been at adapting comics when the storytelling potential was right there on the page.
@antona.1327 Then read the comics, man. Plenty of people enjoyed the movie. I'm honestly sorry that you didn't, but antagonizing people who are just sharing BTS info is seriously uncool.
Im learning norwegian, and i think its kind of Hilarious that Mythology Hel's horse is called Helhest, as "Hest" literally just means "horse" meaning her horse is just "Helhorse"
To be fair, there are higher gods than the Asgardians, shown in Thor: Love and Thunder. But we don’t know if he says it in Earthly or Asgardian fashion.
Oh, really? In what movie was it shown? Because I recall Thor was still speaking gramatically correct in Age of Ultron, not using expressions that should be alien to him, and then in Ragnajoke he suddenly talks like a boring-ass human. Shouldn't such a pivotal change of characer be addressed in the movies themselves instead of be some fan theory on YT?
@@daemianmatthews2062 Wrong he keeps talking in that same old fashioned way until Thor 3 where he just completely changes his style of speaking and acts like the same old quipping marvel jackass they all turn into.
@@darksev.6468 I've never heard of the dead going to Fensalir, either. I only remember it being mentioned sparingly at that, no more than three times. Maybe they're doing some kind of "Freyja is Frigg, so Folkvangr and Fensalir are connected" sort of thing?
Alot of death gods have better things to do then pick fights, also alot of them help out the hero's in the myths (I'm meanly talking about Greek myths because im more well read on that(
You and Taika both have some problems with grammar and semantics. Shrinking and shapeshifting are two different concepts. Thor's hammer in the myths can change size, not shape. And this stupid gag with the umbrella is supposedly a reference to the comics (wow, which is so rare in Waititi's Thor movies) when Thor used the alter ego of a medical doctor and walked with a cain that was really his hammer in disguise.
It's kinda weird how Infinity War is, in a way, a more accurate Ragnarok than Thor Ragnarok: It starts off with Heimdall setting Thor on his quest, starting the war, though without sounding Gjallarhorn. Loki's previous alliance with Thanos is like actual Loki's alliance with Surtr. Thanos filling the Infinity Gauntlet is like Surtr forging his sword. Once they're done, everyone is screwed. All the heroes joining in the battle is like the 9 realms joining in, especially if you count the portals in Endgame. The battle ends tragically, with many superheroes (modern day Gods) having died. Just like how Ragnarok is an end and a beginning, Infinity War leads into Endgame, restarting the war.
It's not weird. It's simply a showcase of how MCU can do something well if they try (Infinity War) and how they can do everything wrong they don't care (Ragnajoke, Dumb and Thunder).
@@antona.1327 Why in the world would you put Ragnarok and Love and Thunder at the same level?? Ragnarok has a different tone to the other Thor movies, but it's a legitimately well-crafted one, and is widely considered the best out out of them. Meanwhile, Love and Thunder is just bad.
@@khepri3198 Ragnajoke is the same crap as Dumb and Thunder, just taken a day earlier. Ragnajoke breaks every single rule of veresemiltude, character writing and worldbuilding there is to break. It's an absolutre disaster from every damn angle. 'Well-crafted''? By Ymir's corpse, what art thou fumbling about? Ragnajoke was character assassination of Thor and Loki on top of how it treated all the supporting characters who deserved better.
I feel like you’re a little too invested if you’re trying to dunk on the MCU movies in like 50% of the comments here. Just give it up, some people can like them and you don’t have to be one of them, just please don’t make it everybody else’s problem. Like the almighty man in the video said, different/inaccurate doesn’t mean bad.
Fun fact, Fenris is what the wolf is called in Danish. It's basically just refered to as the Fenris Wolf, not so much it's name. Also, there are some conflicting stories about who was Odin's firstborn. Some say it was Balder, but others state it was Thor.
She had a kitchen knife called Famine? The word for when all food dies? 😂 16:54: Brunhilde was her name in the comics, iirc. Or at least the character she was originally based on. I think I remember hearing the modern comics introduced a new Valkyrie based on Tessa Thompson’s, but I haven’t been an avid comic reader for over a decade.
On the subject of Hel destroying Mjolnir, there is also the fact that the hammer is specifically stated to be wielded by Thor’s two children together after Thor’s death.
I have seen so many breakdowns of this movie and never seen someone point out that the spear of odin is also a key to open bifrost other than heimdal's sword, this just shows how much efforts my guy put into these videos.... Amazing work dude
can't wait for the Love and Thunder video where it just starts off with "I know this is probably gonna be a huge shock to you guys and you're gonna hate the ancients for this... but the Guardians of the Galaxy do not have any cameos in Norse Mythology."
Fun fact: In the books, they actually include a suitably mythological reason for why the Greek hero is referred to by his Roman name. In Marvel canon, he was originally Heracles, but after having to put up with Heras shit for so many years, he wanted to distance himself from her as much as possible so he adopted the name the Romans called him. I'm actually kind of surprised more media doesn't go that route when it comes Heracles/Hercules.
11:22 he probably says “oh my god” because it’s something humans say when they are shocked, and when he was adjusting to life on earth in the 1st movie he picked up this sort of thing in order to fit in
Glad to see that he didn't comment on Thor battling an army of aliens in East Africa. It would've shocked me to my core if I'd found out that hadn't happened in Norse mythology.
Funnily enough, Marvel moving Loki's relation to the Aesir a generation down _(using “generation” as a relative term since these guys all can live for thousands of years)_ from Odin's blood brother to adopted son, but then moving Hel a generation up from Loki's daughter to adoptive sister, it technically keeps her (mythically entirely irrelevant) familial relation to Thor and the other Aesir at the same generational level, being the generation below Odin.
@@antona.1327Loki becomes the adopted son of Odin instead of his blood brother, this going down a generation while Hela is Odin's daughter, going up a generation or being the same generation as Loki. Also not in these films as they are only vaguely adapting the mythology.
@@isplat927 1. Yeah, still doesn't make any sense and I see no reason why it has to be brought up. You cornballs are searching for something in nothing. 2. They're not adapting mythology at all. Nor they should. They should adapt the comics, which already adapted the myths. But, you know, Mr. "I'll ruin your mythos" doesn't read, comics, mythological sources, or anything of value that isn't Twitter (not that Twitter has any value).
Glad someone brought up Thor is God of THUNDER NOT LIGHTNING Felt like I was going insane when I read Norse myths and he didn't use lightning but made giant THUNDEROUS bellows and slams
He is neither. "God of Something" isn't a concept in Norse/Germanic mythology. Though, among other things like strength and oak trees, Thor is associated with thunder and lightning, he does, in fact, summons and controls lightning in the myths despite the Mythology Guy claiming otherwise. I made a comment about this here, in detail, but basically, when Thor arrives to duel Hrungnir in the myths, he summons lightning, as describes in the Prose Edda. And in a 10th century poem about this myth, it references Thor summoning lightning when it says all the skies were burning due to Thor. Then in Gesta Danorum by Saxo Grammaticus, Thor strikes some women with lightning bolts.
Thank you for another GREAT video, Mythology guy. I recently bought Neil Gaiman's book on Norse myth and finished it within 5 days. I'm gonna reread the book just for the Hel of it.
In the comics, stormbreaker was crafted for a non-mytholofical character named Beta Ray Bill. This character's head can briefly be seen on the grandmaster's tower in ragnorok.
I sort of wish that was the title, and the next movie could've been "Avengers: Ragnarok" instead, since it actually felt closer to the extent of Ragnarok than Thor's movie.
Chris Hemsworth made up the Loki story about them being children and Loki turning into a snake. The director gave them a lot of license when it came to improv in that movie and that is where the story came in
Honestly when Thor says certain phrases like “oh my god” or “you’re just the worst” I just always assumed he picked up a lot of slang from earth which is why he doesn’t talk like his earlier movie self anymore.
Imagine how cool it would have been if Gorr the god butcher, was the one who actually killed baldur. Setting ragnarok in motion earlier than it was supposed to begin, so that he only has to kill a few gods at the end. killing most Norse gods to fuel his god bomb with their souls. Surtr sees this as the perfect time to attack the nine realms. As soon as baldurs body hits the ground, fimblewinter begins. Thor finds his body and is ordered by odin to find out who killed him, he can't do it alone, but with the other Norse gods being busy with the armies of Surtr, Thor requests the help of Heracles, Sif and Artio the bear goddess. With jormungandr not existing in the mcu, gorr creates him to speed up the ragnarok process, Gorr also creates beta ray bill as part of a race that will only be loyal to him, as a sort of false justification that he is, can and will do better than the old gods. Thor fights jormungandr, but gets bitten, before he takes his final step. He gets healed by Artio's druid magic, because of this he loses his connection to mjolnir and is unable to wield it. Forcing him to leave mjolnir behind on a planet, to fight Thor has to use his signature gloves and belt. With a post credit scene where beta ray bill picks up the hammer. With the movie actually being a two parter: Thor 3: Ragnarok as foretold Thor 3 part 2: Rangnarok cometh
This movie doesn't really follow the comics either. The character Scourge was an executioner but, he worked for a female sorcerer named Amora the Enchantress. Which I believe the MCU's version of Hel is a supposed to actually be. However since people are more familiar with the latter they chose to make her the villain instead. This can be used to explain why "Hela" has magical powers and can fight. She was also more accurately depicted as Loki's daughter in the comics but, the mother is never mentioned.
Just found your channel and love it. It's obvious to me that your videos are not only meant for entertainment (check) but also education, which I see as a great value. I can let my kids watch these and they understand that you're not griping about the comic source, and they are being exposed to the wonderful world of mythology. Keep at it brother
In my marvel Fan-fiction, the mythological inaccuracies are fixed. Though I do have to make up characters to make them make a bit more sense. Edit- Actually, now that I think of it, I might just cut Thor Ragnorock from the storyline- it’s just straight up moronic. I never liked the film anyway and it makes no sense.
We need Thor: Love and Thunder + Endgame... Although as far as my memory goes, there aren't much things to mention (i think) still deserves a video i guess
I have one critique with Ragnarok: The fact that Thor is restrained/ weakened by electric shocks MULTIPLE times will being the god of thunder. Like, can he not withstand anything that isn't his own electricity? Would a taser subdue him? It makes no sense!
At that point of the movie Thor couldn't control lightning without Mjolnir, unless he was in high stress situations. It makes sense he was affected by that device
17:59 It's not exactly the story, this is the closest we get to Jormungandr in the MCU for now. Maybe Loki creates him to protect what he made in the Loki series, actually "fathering" one of his children for once. Time will tell, I'm quite interested in what's to cone with him.
it's a pointless line of dialogue that was invented by Hemsworth, who doesn't even know about the story of Jormugandr because he never bothered with much research. Quit writing fanfics and pretending like the MCU will do something well for once - they won't.
Movie Hel is a combination of like five different characters from the comics. Yes, Hel is one of them, but a few others include Angela (yes the one from the Spawn comics. Yes, she is canon in Marvel. Yes, she is Odin's firstborn) and Cul, who is Odin's brother and the God of fear, who was imprisoned by Odin
I have a thought on why the gungnir spear wasn't used for the bifrost in this movie. They honestly probably forgot about it doing that or left it out because the movie would probably been a lot more different if Hela was able to start her conquest of conquering the realms. Would've been a cool thing if that was the case.
I can't believe such a deedicated, intellegent and totally not lazy filmmaker such as His Highness Taika Waititi would ever create some stupid plot contrivance in his movie just because he didn't bother with research. Doesn't compute.
@antona.1327 You're right. No filmmaker or storyteller has ever written a plot contrivance before Taika did. What, did he kick your dog or something? You really have it out for the guy
@@winloc_5681 oh, look, Taika's loyal sycophants are here with their fedora hat, milady attitude, defending a lazy multi-millionare who does his job poorly. Also, whataboutisms aren't excuses; they're admition of failure. Also, that's not a convincience. That's bad writing, bad directing and lazy approach all together. If a TH-cam guy can catch that, so should a ''filmmaker'' who gets paid millions of dollars to do his job. Perhaps raise your standards for filmmaking instead of simping for bad filmmakers who clearly don't respect your intellegence. Also, didn't kick my dog, but he ruined my favorite Marvel superhero, so yeah, it's personal for me.
Going to add one *While Loki never had a spaceship orgy with Jeff Goldblum in Norse Mythology, like the film suggests, that wouldn't have been out of character for him if we're being honest.*
I call that sh1tty comedy. In the real Ragnarok there literally wars, bloodshed and degeneracy across the realms. People aren't chilling and watching silly theather plays, which, btw, didn't exist in the Viking Ages, same as greek musical instruments that are played in the show.
@@antona.1327Uhm. Regarding theater plays in norse society. Theres some speculation that the myths where sometimes used for dramatic theater performances using poetry.
31:44 - This one I might have a comic-based explanation for. In Marvel, the Asgardian and Olympian pantheons met in an ancient battle and became relatively friendly (similar to the Vanir). Thor also knows the Egyptian gods from later adventures. He might be referring to the heads of each pantheon as "All-Fathers" since that's what they call themselves when they team up.
Not in the myth that I know, but in the comics, when Odin dies, his power transfers to Thor, which does not happen. Also, the bug guy and the rock guy are friends of Hulk and have pledge them selves to him.
Okay, but "son of... a bitch, you're still alive!" and "now those foundations are gone, sorry" were pretty funny. Ragnarok in general was a great story (ridiculous and inaccurate to the myths as it was) and concluded Thor's time in Asgardian society, and set up his arc in Infinity War, pretty well. I loved Infinity War, but that's mostly because Thanos was one of the best written characters I'd ever seen.
What I personally find disgusted is that, nowadays, they're making characters say "Oh my God" or "What the Hell", even though they're different kinds of people from clearly different cultures, along with making them say more explicit vocabulary for WHATEVER reason to make the movies "better". Yeah, if that's true, then I'm not autistic. >:p
Norse Hela : daughter of Loki and Angrboda Comics 616 Hela : Created by Bor Burison and adopted by Loki MCU Hela : eldest daughter of Odin and eldest sibling and dark foil to Thor and Loki Take your pick
Comics Hela was born by Angrboda who at some point mated with Loki and gave birth to three monstrous children. What you're talking about is a recent retcon that shouldn't be taken at any value because those same Marvel Comics of today completely destroy their continuity by letting these awful movies influence them. Which is why we now have African-American Valkyries in Thor comics and why Thor for some years was a short-haired dumbo who acted nothing like he should.
Thor is also not a himbo in Marvel comics. In my opinion, this movie is more of a parody of Marvels Thor, but in a good way like the Lego Batman movie.
16:00 Maybe Hel just doesn't know that the Gungnir spear can be used as a key. I mean, if I didn't know that beforehand, I certainly wouldn't think to try it.
7:15 I don’t get why gods of hell/helheim/tartarus what ever you want to call it are always depicted as the main antagonist in the movies, and don’t give me “oh there the gods of the damed realm of course they have to be evil” that’s a stupid reason and you know it.
People have an inherent fear of death and that often results in beings associated with death being feared at first glance. It’s ironic because many death deities were portrayed as kind characters specifically to help lessen people’s fear of death
Norse God of War is next. What else would you like to see?
Have you ever thought of doing prince of Egypt?
Class Of The Titans, it’s a canadian kids show from the 2000s that was about kid friendly Greek mythology. Maybe you could pick a few random episodes and find inaccuracies
How about the game Hades, I haven't finished it and I don't know how accurate it is but it could make an interesting video
You Seem To Be A Calm And Reasonable Person...
slavic mythology
Hel: "why am I depicted as the bad guy? I just rule hell"
Hades: "first time?"
Apollo: I want to be a villain! I have a song!
We’ll drop an L, but anyone who doesn’t die in battle ends up there. So not the Christian Hell in the slightest.
Hazbin hotel Lucifer: wait you guys were depicted as villains in your own movies I was depicted as a villain by my own fanbase and in the show they were wrong!
@@madtabby66 So...Custer goes to Valhalla despite getting a well deserved comeuppance at Little Bighorn and those Native American civilians he massacred go to Hel? Gosh!
She's not that in the comic-books. She's a neutral villain, who plays fairly if there's a precedent. She rarely leaves her domain in Niffleheim and yes, she is the daughter of Loki, unlike in this sh1t movie. And Loki is the main villain of Ragnarok in the comics, too. Again, unlike in this sh1t movie.
This dude literally watched two insanely long movies and pointed out mythical inaccuracies for us like a literal school assignment which is crazy. [In a good way] Show him some love!
And he probably would have to watch them multiple times to have all the facts
Always do 😂
And he did it without using the word literally too much
I guess "that this guy" knows what he is saying dont you think?
They're good movies
The story that Thor shares of Loki turning into a snake then stabbing him was invented on stage by Chris Hemsworth
You mean Chris came up with that joke on set and incorporated it into the movie?
@@todaystheday6823Ragnarok is filled with improv lines
@todaystheday6823 to my knowledge, only about 30% of the movie was actually scripted. It was chock full of improv and entire scenes being made up on the spot.
it also might be a reference to Hercules
@@linkeragon7885 Hercules is roman? Thor and loki are norse
Fun Fact: in the comics, the original Ragnarok Storyline is MUCH darker and more serious than the film version. The story is much grander, and Thor actually DIES in that comic. I know he mainly talks about the films, but i feel like he should cover the comic version, too.
The comics are much more in line with the actual myths
Like it’s actually pretty cool how they explain and adapt things to fit the marvel mythos and history. Where as the movies go for kind of a generic Greek pantheon inspired aesthetic
Comic Hercules and Movie Thor are way more similar than Comic and movie thor
Which Thor comics? I had a thick book of a ton of old Thor comics. They were in black and white. He fought Ego, Crusher Creel(the absorbing man), he also fought the destroyer, fought Hercules and fought for him as his champion. There was even Olympian gods.
There were mini stories in the issues showing Loki's shenanigans and planning.
Some tribal chief or something found a norn stone Loki either lost or dropped or maybe even left it intentionally, i cant remember all of it.
I believe some were titled "Amazing Tales"
It was a book with many issues consolidated. It was cool but you could tell it was old by how extremely noble and perfect moral compass some chracters (especially as Thor) possessed.
One other story was about a king that invited Thor as a guest (he hated Thor or Asgard) but he gave Thor 3 challenges to pass and Thor won two but the third was a trick. The kings wife, daughter, or mistress approached Thor the night before the challenge and told him about the trick and how to beat it.
There was also a story where Thor was in control of a ship (on the water) and had a crew that trusted himz but Loki started to sow seeds of deceit which almost worked but Thor prevailed in the end.
Im not sure if youre talking stories THAT old but hell i figured id ramble on with a comment nobody will even read, almost completely waisting my time on this when i could bw waisting it watching Deadpool 3 predictions and 100%"real" plot leaks
www.goodreads.com/book/show/1433507.Essential_Thor_Vol_2
This was the book
It wasn't so dark in the book I read about Ragnarok
@@DonPatt-eg3vt he's talking about Walt Simonson's The Surtur Saga from the 80s and early 2000s Ragnarok story. There were also multiple preludes to Ragnarok from the 60s and onward, where various elements from the myths occured in Thor's books, like him fighting Jormugandr to almost certain death, Loki leading giants against Asgard, etc. Simonson's and 2004s stories put all of the mythological elements together as oppose to keeping them seperate.
@@DonPatt-eg3vt yes, it was. It was literally The Lord of the Rings but without the happy ending.
The funny thing is that supposedly in the second Doctor Strange movie Baldur was going to make a cameo, which means he isn’t dead and therefore Ragnorok shouldn’t have happened
It was an alternate universe technically.
@@gregorio1580 yeah but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t not be alive in the main universe
There is nothing funny about this. It's embarrassing how sh1t these movies have been at adapting comics when the storytelling potential was right there on the page.
Good point man
@antona.1327 Then read the comics, man. Plenty of people enjoyed the movie. I'm honestly sorry that you didn't, but antagonizing people who are just sharing BTS info is seriously uncool.
Im learning norwegian, and i think its kind of Hilarious that Mythology Hel's horse is called Helhest, as "Hest" literally just means "horse" meaning her horse is just "Helhorse"
That is the ancient equivalent of Batman calling everything the "Bat [suffix]"
Lol@@Satellaview1889
That's hilarious @@Satellaview1889
With these names, I’m surprised she didn’t just call Garm Helulfr (I just searched up a translation, should mean “helwolf”)
The same with Thor's gauntlets in the myths Járngreipr (Iron grip)
Thor saying, "Oh my god." shows how much time he spent on Earth adopting their way of speaking.
To be fair, there are higher gods than the Asgardians, shown in Thor: Love and Thunder. But we don’t know if he says it in Earthly or Asgardian fashion.
Oh, really? In what movie was it shown? Because I recall Thor was still speaking gramatically correct in Age of Ultron, not using expressions that should be alien to him, and then in Ragnajoke he suddenly talks like a boring-ass human. Shouldn't such a pivotal change of characer be addressed in the movies themselves instead of be some fan theory on YT?
@antona.1327 Thor only speaks in a medieval fashion at the beginning of Thor. In that movie, he slowly stops speaking in that exaggerated manner.
@@daemianmatthews2062 Wrong he keeps talking in that same old fashioned way until Thor 3 where he just completely changes his style of speaking and acts like the same old quipping marvel jackass they all turn into.
Hel’s kind of busy sorting everyone that doesn’t end up in Valhalla or Fensalir, which is 99% of people. So yeah she’s got better things to do.
Do the dead go to Fensalir? I thought it was only Valhalla and Folkvangr.
@@darksev.6468 I've never heard of the dead going to Fensalir, either. I only remember it being mentioned sparingly at that, no more than three times. Maybe they're doing some kind of "Freyja is Frigg, so Folkvangr and Fensalir are connected" sort of thing?
@@CuidightheachODuinn That... makes sense. I think?
Alot of death gods have better things to do then pick fights, also alot of them help out the hero's in the myths (I'm meanly talking about Greek myths because im more well read on that(
@@darksev.6468There's also the people dying by drowning being taken in by the water deity Ran.
3:20 "I know this is gonna shock some people, but there wasn't actually any shake weights in Norse mythology." -The Mythology Guy in another timeline
I'm assuming he didn't do that because Skurge mentioned all his stuff was from Earth.
4:44 I know this video is about inaccuracies, but missed opportunity to mention that it's accurate to the myths that Thor can shrink his hammer.
You and Taika both have some problems with grammar and semantics. Shrinking and shapeshifting are two different concepts. Thor's hammer in the myths can change size, not shape. And this stupid gag with the umbrella is supposedly a reference to the comics (wow, which is so rare in Waititi's Thor movies) when Thor used the alter ego of a medical doctor and walked with a cain that was really his hammer in disguise.
@@antona.1327🤓
I'm pretty sure thor can't shapeshift his hammer into an umbrella
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Maybe he shrunk it then hid it inside the umbrella.
It doesn't shrink in the mythology, it simply *is* small enough to fit under his shirt
It's kinda weird how Infinity War is, in a way, a more accurate Ragnarok than Thor Ragnarok:
It starts off with Heimdall setting Thor on his quest, starting the war, though without sounding Gjallarhorn.
Loki's previous alliance with Thanos is like actual Loki's alliance with Surtr.
Thanos filling the Infinity Gauntlet is like Surtr forging his sword. Once they're done, everyone is screwed.
All the heroes joining in the battle is like the 9 realms joining in, especially if you count the portals in Endgame.
The battle ends tragically, with many superheroes (modern day Gods) having died.
Just like how Ragnarok is an end and a beginning, Infinity War leads into Endgame, restarting the war.
It's not weird. It's simply a showcase of how MCU can do something well if they try (Infinity War) and how they can do everything wrong they don't care (Ragnajoke, Dumb and Thunder).
Oh damn I just realized that
@@antona.1327 Why in the world would you put Ragnarok and Love and Thunder at the same level?? Ragnarok has a different tone to the other Thor movies, but it's a legitimately well-crafted one, and is widely considered the best out out of them. Meanwhile, Love and Thunder is just bad.
@@khepri3198 Ragnajoke is the same crap as Dumb and Thunder, just taken a day earlier. Ragnajoke breaks every single rule of veresemiltude, character writing and worldbuilding there is to break. It's an absolutre disaster from every damn angle. 'Well-crafted''? By Ymir's corpse, what art thou fumbling about? Ragnajoke was character assassination of Thor and Loki on top of how it treated all the supporting characters who deserved better.
I feel like you’re a little too invested if you’re trying to dunk on the MCU movies in like 50% of the comments here. Just give it up, some people can like them and you don’t have to be one of them, just please don’t make it everybody else’s problem. Like the almighty man in the video said, different/inaccurate doesn’t mean bad.
Still watching the video but loved the joke when you say “sorry marvel fans, but you’re not allowed to have fun” 😂😂
According to my research (searching for answers in the comics), the Valkyrie appearing in this movie is named Brunhilde.
Yeah, funny how she has no name in the movies and how she also is Brunnhilde is name only, because she's nothing like the character, myths or comics.
@@antona.1327yeah,
I don't remember brunhilde being a slave trader
Fun fact, Fenris is what the wolf is called in Danish. It's basically just refered to as the Fenris Wolf, not so much it's name.
Also, there are some conflicting stories about who was Odin's firstborn. Some say it was Balder, but others state it was Thor.
Good to know.
And in Swedish.
She had a kitchen knife called Famine? The word for when all food dies? 😂
16:54: Brunhilde was her name in the comics, iirc. Or at least the character she was originally based on. I think I remember hearing the modern comics introduced a new Valkyrie based on Tessa Thompson’s, but I haven’t been an avid comic reader for over a decade.
you are correct about her name and if you search valkyrie it states that she is named Brunnhilde but they only use the title in the movies.
On the subject of Hel destroying Mjolnir, there is also the fact that the hammer is specifically stated to be wielded by Thor’s two children together after Thor’s death.
I have seen so many breakdowns of this movie and never seen someone point out that the spear of odin is also a key to open bifrost other than heimdal's sword, this just shows how much efforts my guy put into these videos.... Amazing work dude
can't wait for the Love and Thunder video where it just starts off with "I know this is probably gonna be a huge shock to you guys and you're gonna hate the ancients for this... but the Guardians of the Galaxy do not have any cameos in Norse Mythology."
Can't wait to see his reaction to Love and Thunder's mid credit scene.
"HIS. NAME. IS. HERACLEEEEEEES!!!!!!"
HA! that's gonna be hilarious
@@Thecrims0nfuck3r I wonder how he would react to “was Hercules like ‘yo I don’t wanna fight Cerberus.’”
Fun fact: In the books, they actually include a suitably mythological reason for why the Greek hero is referred to by his Roman name. In Marvel canon, he was originally Heracles, but after having to put up with Heras shit for so many years, he wanted to distance himself from her as much as possible so he adopted the name the Romans called him. I'm actually kind of surprised more media doesn't go that route when it comes Heracles/Hercules.
@@legoking6165 that was in the Heroes of Olympus series as well
@@UltimateDespairado
Really? Cool!
3:50 Perfect representation with Disney, the MCU, and how they treat Marvel fans nowadays.
Or any other thing they own😂
@@sleipnirthe8th339 100% agree.
add in fun with good written shows and yup its accurate
@@ScoutTrooperMan
>current Disney
>fun with good written shows
Pick one.
@@rorschach1985ifyFair point
11:22 he probably says “oh my god” because it’s something humans say when they are shocked, and when he was adjusting to life on earth in the 1st movie he picked up this sort of thing in order to fit in
Glad to see that he didn't comment on Thor battling an army of aliens in East Africa. It would've shocked me to my core if I'd found out that hadn't happened in Norse mythology.
Funnily enough, Marvel moving Loki's relation to the Aesir a generation down _(using “generation” as a relative term since these guys all can live for thousands of years)_ from Odin's blood brother to adopted son, but then moving Hel a generation up from Loki's daughter to adoptive sister, it technically keeps her (mythically entirely irrelevant) familial relation to Thor and the other Aesir at the same generational level, being the generation below Odin.
Nothing you said makes any sense. Much like this trash movie. Hela is Loki's daughter. This movie sucks. The end.
@@antona.1327Loki becomes the adopted son of Odin instead of his blood brother, this going down a generation while Hela is Odin's daughter, going up a generation or being the same generation as Loki.
Also not in these films as they are only vaguely adapting the mythology.
@@isplat927 1. Yeah, still doesn't make any sense and I see no reason why it has to be brought up. You cornballs are searching for something in nothing. 2. They're not adapting mythology at all. Nor they should. They should adapt the comics, which already adapted the myths. But, you know, Mr. "I'll ruin your mythos" doesn't read, comics, mythological sources, or anything of value that isn't Twitter (not that Twitter has any value).
Ah man I can't think of other cool mainstream mythology based movies and video games. I want more of this series.
Don’t worry. I’ve got a list with several future videos
@@TheMythologyGuy1 God of War 2018 and God of War: Ragnarok?
Disney Hercules TV show.
@@TheMythologyGuy1 perhaps maybe Skyrim? but that does seem vague of what to talk about
Kubo and the Two Strings for sure.
Glad someone brought up Thor is God of THUNDER NOT LIGHTNING
Felt like I was going insane when I read Norse myths and he didn't use lightning but made giant THUNDEROUS bellows and slams
Thunder is lightning sound.
People in ancient times may not have always known. @@jeffreygao3956
He is neither. "God of Something" isn't a concept in Norse/Germanic mythology.
Though, among other things like strength and oak trees, Thor is associated with thunder and lightning, he does, in fact, summons and controls lightning in the myths despite the Mythology Guy claiming otherwise.
I made a comment about this here, in detail, but basically, when Thor arrives to duel Hrungnir in the myths, he summons lightning, as describes in the Prose Edda. And in a 10th century poem about this myth, it references Thor summoning lightning when it says all the skies were burning due to Thor.
Then in Gesta Danorum by Saxo Grammaticus, Thor strikes some women with lightning bolts.
Thors hammer is literally called lighting maker
@@finchatforharambe905 No, it isn't. It is speculated that it might mean "lightning".
Giant can be more accurately called Devourer, and they represent Primordial Chaos, similarly to the titans.
It’s so good to see these inaccuracies videos they bring me so much joy
I keep forgetting you make these a double feature with the Avengers movies and I get excited every time. Keep up the great work
Thank you for another GREAT video, Mythology guy. I recently bought Neil Gaiman's book on Norse myth and finished it within 5 days. I'm gonna reread the book just for the Hel of it.
I find it funny that the fire giants are just human sized but the dwarves are freaking gigantic
In the comics, stormbreaker was crafted for a non-mytholofical character named Beta Ray Bill. This character's head can briefly be seen on the grandmaster's tower in ragnorok.
11:45 In the painting Odin’s horse only has 6 legs, not 8, like in the myths.
Lol, just noticed that
Where is Slepnir? He wasn't killed before Ragnarok. That's what he shouldve said, but the legs matters too
@RicardoIsTheGoatBaby hey good point! He definitely *exists* in that universe and we don't see him die, soooo...\_(0_0)_/
I know this is gonna shock people, but thor never fought a purple strong alien on earth right after ragnarok
Fun fact about comic Hela: She is still Loki's child.
So its not only mythology inaccurate but comic inaccurate too???? Can they get ANYTHING right!?
I love “Thor: infinity war” it even rhymes
I sort of wish that was the title, and the next movie could've been "Avengers: Ragnarok" instead, since it actually felt closer to the extent of Ragnarok than Thor's movie.
Watched on Patreon, now sharing the love of YT. You go, MythologyGuy!
Chris Hemsworth made up the Loki story about them being children and Loki turning into a snake. The director gave them a lot of license when it came to improv in that movie and that is where the story came in
Honestly when Thor says certain phrases like “oh my god” or “you’re just the worst” I just always assumed he picked up a lot of slang from earth which is why he doesn’t talk like his earlier movie self anymore.
it's bad writing.
I love these vids. Keep them coming my dude!!
I was waiting for this video. I'm glad I found your content you made me interested in Mithology
Always a good day when mythology guy posts
'That puts us at 13 realms!' Had me rollling on the floor in laughter
Imagine how cool it would have been if Gorr the god butcher, was the one who actually killed baldur. Setting ragnarok in motion earlier than it was supposed to begin, so that he only has to kill a few gods at the end. killing most Norse gods to fuel his god bomb with their souls.
Surtr sees this as the perfect time to attack the nine realms.
As soon as baldurs body hits the ground, fimblewinter begins. Thor finds his body and is ordered by odin to find out who killed him, he can't do it alone, but with the other Norse gods being busy with the armies of Surtr, Thor requests the help of Heracles, Sif and Artio the bear goddess.
With jormungandr not existing in the mcu, gorr creates him to speed up the ragnarok process, Gorr also creates beta ray bill as part of a race that will only be loyal to him, as a sort of false justification that he is, can and will do better than the old gods.
Thor fights jormungandr, but gets bitten, before he takes his final step. He gets healed by Artio's druid magic, because of this he loses his connection to mjolnir and is unable to wield it.
Forcing him to leave mjolnir behind on a planet, to fight Thor has to use his signature gloves and belt.
With a post credit scene where beta ray bill picks up the hammer.
With the movie actually being a two parter:
Thor 3: Ragnarok as foretold
Thor 3 part 2: Rangnarok cometh
Imagine how could it would be if we just got a proper Ragnarok movie directed by Kenneth Branagh. Would much rather see that.
My guy! BE A WRIGHTER THIS IS SO GOOD!!!!
This movie doesn't really follow the comics either. The character Scourge was an executioner but, he worked for a female sorcerer named Amora the Enchantress. Which I believe the MCU's version of Hel is a supposed to actually be. However since people are more familiar with the latter they chose to make her the villain instead. This can be used to explain why "Hela" has magical powers and can fight. She was also more accurately depicted as Loki's daughter in the comics but, the mother is never mentioned.
"Muspelhiem is actually so hot that only those who are native to it can survive there".....and Kratos
I think there’s a conversation in GOW 2018 that actually acknowledges this. I believe Mimir said Muspellheim isn’t as hot as it used to be
@@TheMythologyGuy1 correct
Kratos is to angry to die
27:38
Thanos: “Don’t worry, I have a permit.”
Eros: “Brother, this just says ‘I can do what I want.’”
Can we also address that Odin had sleipnir years before Loki’s birth
How
@@krystianandrychowski8957 ?
He's also completely gone for some reason...where is he? did he die? You would think SOMEONE would bring that up!
Gotta point out an error on your part. Odin specifically refused to eat any of those apples. He's on a strict wine-only diet.
Someone tell him to take his supplements!
17:59, probably because that was an improvised line by Chris Hemsworth.
Love your stuff man been waiting for a new vid, keep up the good work
Just found your channel and love it. It's obvious to me that your videos are not only meant for entertainment (check) but also education, which I see as a great value. I can let my kids watch these and they understand that you're not griping about the comic source, and they are being exposed to the wonderful world of mythology. Keep at it brother
In my marvel Fan-fiction, the mythological inaccuracies are fixed. Though I do have to make up characters to make them make a bit more sense.
Edit- Actually, now that I think of it, I might just cut Thor Ragnorock from the storyline- it’s just straight up moronic. I never liked the film anyway and it makes no sense.
Banger of a video as always man, love your stuff. Cant wait for the GoW video!
Yes, dude took so long to make this ty for making it 😊
11:45 Where’s Sleipnir? Odin’s mount is one of Loki’s sons, Sleipnir, a horse with eight legs.
We need Thor: Love and Thunder + Endgame...
Although as far as my memory goes, there aren't much things to mention (i think) still deserves a video i guess
I feel like ive seen all the marvel movies so many times the only way i get to experience them freshly is with videos like this.
I have one critique with Ragnarok: The fact that Thor is restrained/ weakened by electric shocks MULTIPLE times will being the god of thunder. Like, can he not withstand anything that isn't his own electricity? Would a taser subdue him? It makes no sense!
A taser is in fact shown to down him in the first Thor movie
I also have a critique of Ragnajoke; it sucks.
At that point of the movie Thor couldn't control lightning without Mjolnir, unless he was in high stress situations. It makes sense he was affected by that device
How can I not love the Mythology Guy when he just says out loud all my inner thoughts and rants?!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I LOVE YOUR CONTENT AND AM SO GLAD THAT I GOT TO WATCH THIS!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤
17:59 It's not exactly the story, this is the closest we get to Jormungandr in the MCU for now. Maybe Loki creates him to protect what he made in the Loki series, actually "fathering" one of his children for once. Time will tell, I'm quite interested in what's to cone with him.
it's a pointless line of dialogue that was invented by Hemsworth, who doesn't even know about the story of Jormugandr because he never bothered with much research. Quit writing fanfics and pretending like the MCU will do something well for once - they won't.
Movie Hel is a combination of like five different characters from the comics. Yes, Hel is one of them, but a few others include Angela (yes the one from the Spawn comics. Yes, she is canon in Marvel. Yes, she is Odin's firstborn) and Cul, who is Odin's brother and the God of fear, who was imprisoned by Odin
Damn, imagine combing five different cool characters just to make a terribly uninteresting new one.
11:26 My guess, after the third rewatch of this video is that Thor became Christian after Odin died because he couldn't say "on Odin's beard" anymore😅
Mjolnir’s indestructible in the comics as well, no way in hell Hela could do that
I think the problem was that Taika Waititi was creeping all his actresses and forgot to keep an eye on the script.
Imagine if you had to point out every comic inaccuracy as well...
This video was so comforting , like a bedtime story I fell asleep listening to it
So quick question, does Mythology Odin Really love his children?
Yo love the vids keep it up
I have a thought on why the gungnir spear wasn't used for the bifrost in this movie. They honestly probably forgot about it doing that or left it out because the movie would probably been a lot more different if Hela was able to start her conquest of conquering the realms. Would've been a cool thing if that was the case.
Considering this is a multibillion dollar franchise those are really weak reasons, but probably true.
I can't believe such a deedicated, intellegent and totally not lazy filmmaker such as His Highness Taika Waititi would ever create some stupid plot contrivance in his movie just because he didn't bother with research. Doesn't compute.
@antona.1327 You're right. No filmmaker or storyteller has ever written a plot contrivance before Taika did. What, did he kick your dog or something? You really have it out for the guy
@@xXSamir44Xx I mean I agree with your post. They are weak but probable sadly.
@@winloc_5681 oh, look, Taika's loyal sycophants are here with their fedora hat, milady attitude, defending a lazy multi-millionare who does his job poorly. Also, whataboutisms aren't excuses; they're admition of failure. Also, that's not a convincience. That's bad writing, bad directing and lazy approach all together. If a TH-cam guy can catch that, so should a ''filmmaker'' who gets paid millions of dollars to do his job. Perhaps raise your standards for filmmaking instead of simping for bad filmmakers who clearly don't respect your intellegence. Also, didn't kick my dog, but he ruined my favorite Marvel superhero, so yeah, it's personal for me.
Hel being their sister? Fine, whatever. Fenrir just being her pet? Sure, whatever. Not including Jormungandr? I cannot forgive
Give us our snek marvel!!
Going to add one
*While Loki never had a spaceship orgy with Jeff Goldblum in Norse Mythology, like the film suggests, that wouldn't have been out of character for him if we're being honest.*
It's like the gods in the MCU have their own religion and believe in some kind of superior "Valhala" lol
6:40 okay i was not expecting Skyrim Draugr
I learn more from this guy than from any documentaries i usually find on TH-cam
Asgard doesn't look chaotic? Hmmm, Odin missing and Loki acting like he is Odin tricking everyone. I call that chaotic.
I call that sh1tty comedy. In the real Ragnarok there literally wars, bloodshed and degeneracy across the realms. People aren't chilling and watching silly theather plays, which, btw, didn't exist in the Viking Ages, same as greek musical instruments that are played in the show.
@@antona.1327Uhm. Regarding theater plays in norse society. Theres some speculation that the myths where sometimes used for dramatic theater performances using poetry.
31:44 - This one I might have a comic-based explanation for. In Marvel, the Asgardian and Olympian pantheons met in an ancient battle and became relatively friendly (similar to the Vanir). Thor also knows the Egyptian gods from later adventures. He might be referring to the heads of each pantheon as "All-Fathers" since that's what they call themselves when they team up.
Oh god i saw this and i just know that hes gonna be pissed
"did Snorri Sturlson turn you Christian?" Is a magnificent line and none can say otherwise
🎉🎉 this was amazing can't wait for love and thunder review
Thank you for this video.
I hope you stay well.
Not in the myth that I know, but in the comics, when Odin dies, his power transfers to Thor, which does not happen. Also, the bug guy and the rock guy are friends of Hulk and have pledge them selves to him.
Okay, but "son of... a bitch, you're still alive!" and "now those foundations are gone, sorry" were pretty funny. Ragnarok in general was a great story (ridiculous and inaccurate to the myths as it was) and concluded Thor's time in Asgardian society, and set up his arc in Infinity War, pretty well. I loved Infinity War, but that's mostly because Thanos was one of the best written characters I'd ever seen.
To be fair, there is a theory nine is the ancient norse equivalent of a dozen.
Also, the Valkyrie is Brunnhilde.
What I personally find disgusted is that, nowadays, they're making characters say "Oh my God" or "What the Hell", even though they're different kinds of people from clearly different cultures, along with making them say more explicit vocabulary for WHATEVER reason to make the movies "better".
Yeah, if that's true, then I'm not autistic. >:p
Norse Hela : daughter of Loki and Angrboda
Comics 616 Hela : Created by Bor Burison and adopted by Loki
MCU Hela : eldest daughter of Odin and eldest sibling and dark foil to Thor and Loki
Take your pick
Comics Hela was born by Angrboda who at some point mated with Loki and gave birth to three monstrous children. What you're talking about is a recent retcon that shouldn't be taken at any value because those same Marvel Comics of today completely destroy their continuity by letting these awful movies influence them. Which is why we now have African-American Valkyries in Thor comics and why Thor for some years was a short-haired dumbo who acted nothing like he should.
Thor in Norse mythology = Guts
Thor in Marvel comics = Aragorn
Thor in MCU = Johnny Bravo
Take your pick.
Love how they all attack Hela like she’s some stranger.
Regarding Valkyrie's name, she's implied to be Brunhilde, if the more recent comics are of any consequence
18:52 Wait what? So the Ragnarok wasn't a thing before christian influence on Norse mythology?
I know this is going to shock everyone but Thor was not a clownish Himbo in Norse Mythology and didn’t have an Australian accent.
Thor is also not a himbo in Marvel comics. In my opinion, this movie is more of a parody of Marvels Thor, but in a good way like the Lego Batman movie.
@@legoking6165DO not compare this comedic baloney to possibly one of the greatest Batman movies ever made.
Okay. What should I compare the movie to then? The superhero squad show? Batman and Robin? Spaceballs?
@@legoking6165 any of them.
16:00 Maybe Hel just doesn't know that the Gungnir spear can be used as a key. I mean, if I didn't know that beforehand, I certainly wouldn't think to try it.
As a marvel fan this has been the most fun weve gotten in a while🤣
True 😔
7:15 I don’t get why gods of hell/helheim/tartarus what ever you want to call it are always depicted as the main antagonist in the movies, and don’t give me “oh there the gods of the damed realm of course they have to be evil” that’s a stupid reason and you know it.
People have an inherent fear of death and that often results in beings associated with death being feared at first glance. It’s ironic because many death deities were portrayed as kind characters specifically to help lessen people’s fear of death
"Oh, My, God!" Well, now,” Chiron said. “God-capital G, God. That's a different matter altogether. We shan't deal with the metaphysical.”
This is my new favorite series. Absolutely incredible
We should thank thanos for correcting some inaccuracies like killing loki and heimdall.
Fun fact. In the poetic Edda it's not specified how many norns actually exist. There could be more than three :3
For a second i forgot you changed your profile picture
Love your content. Hope the Nlrse GoW videos are coming soon