Ronald Reagan is partly responsible for these issues. He closed hundreds of mental hospitals in the eighties. He started the process in California in the seventies when he was governor.
i work in a preschool and i had a 3 year old student no longer there and he was very violent. he would throw things at me ( the teacher) and students. he also would pull hair and hurt students. he told a teacher he would get his dad who’s a cop to kill her…
I’m pro gun, I come from a family of hunters ,but as a mother , I would never let a teen handle/have a gun , if their general personality displayed any of the following traits : impulsiveness , violence , depression , adhd, etc .They would have to find another passion/hobby.
Exactly I'm 18 and I think 18 is too young to be able to buy a gun or use one for sports unsupervised the age should be the age between 21 and 25 when the brain is fully developed
@Zombie Frogg Not everyone is as impulsive es someone with this that. But yes, a lot can lead to impulsivity and people at a certain age shouldn't have guns in the first place.
Not disagreeing with you, but I'm always curious to hear why some people are pro-gun. And I mean this as wanting to hear their story and not for judging people. I am genuinely curious since I personally think the world would be a better place if not guns existed at all :( And people can still have ADHD (like me) and be interested in certain things and handle it well and normally. Just saying there was a LOT going on with him there (not saying you or others disagree or mean it was soolely 1 thing at fault or smth, don't worry).
What I want to know is why the shrinks never insisted on weekly meeting with Cruz and his foster parents. Had a plan to build his confidence, a plan to have him focus on what is good in who he was focus on the positives in life. Pointless to say what is troubling you with out hearing what the kid is saying and giving him alternative things so he sees the positives in life. The system failed. Having seven separate experts/teachers change every year is fruitless it has to be intensive. What did it cost society when he killed 14 futures? Way more than time spent with co operative care. It isn't like 600 kids need crisis care maybe 5 are 100% lost. OR he could be totally beyond help? I don't know but giving long term care should be explored.
You can't some severally damaged persons....its about harm reduction strategies.....also all kids must receive breast milk and human contact for the duration of their infancy....this can REPAIR BRAIN DAMAGE THAT OCCASIONALLY OCCURS !
Look, he was always under specialist's care. Even at school... How many times did you change doctors because you felt uncomfortable. Especially if it was regarding mental health. I also noticed few judged Lynda for her age and criticized her based on their own biases, whilst others believed she did everything possible. If she was really that bad, wouldn't someone step in and insist she can't keep him at home?
This guy was f____ up from the very beginning. His mom was a hot mess too. It seems like no one could really help him become a functional member of his community no matter how hard they tried.
He never stood a chance. Neither did the kids at the end of his retribution. But ‘the voices?’ He has alerted many to this before he actually executed the visions he was having. Why is no one talking about conduct/antisocial PD, and schizophrenia? He seems to meet all of the criteria.
They don't want to separate disruptive kids from the classroom becomes it is considered a form of "solitary confinement and discrimination". I don't agree with this because of that student can cause stress for other students.
This is why kids like him need to be placed in a specialized school that the district funds! This is why parent’s do not know their rights, and can indeed SUE for placement. It’s called FAPE. My child is verbal, and has no behaviors and children that were behaviorally severe were attacking him. This is why WE sued the district twice.
@@FreeTheTrolls Is there a reasonable middle for kids with behavior issues to be placed with other kids? Is it acceptable to separate kids up into graduation? After that no one is goin g to have the benefit of mandated separation. I believe kids should be taught with accountability that you can't act certain ways in society. When they don't act with in the rules of average society than the consequence must be in stone. No whining from the parents.
@@hopewins1629 Mainstreamed? Now I do believe that those kids can cause stress for some other students, but at the same time I don't think that they should be permanently separated. Removal, told why, what is acceptable, acknowledgement, make amends (to class/teacher/student), and then placed back into class.
The thing is... They did too well. Defense can't deny one fact- he got plenty of help and his siblings also struggled. When you think about how much Lynda and all the professionals had to do, it's full time job. They did too well. He could run away from a crime scene without tripping, good eye-hand coordination and motor skills enabling him to kill and injure dozens within minutes. He reloaded several times, he worked in order, planned, disguised himself... He obviously can follow through, when it suits him.
His history is irrelevant. They need to focus on how he did this with forethought and malice, which has been clearly proven. The trip down memory lane must be excruciating for the parents. Give THEM speedy JUSTICE.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 Sadly, his story IS part of justice process. His side is claiming that he was born damaged and that he didn't know what he was doing. His side has to prove that. They won't, but allowing him to mount a defense and it being shown completely irrelevant is one step closer to him never seeing the light of day. It's excruciating for the families, but someone like him doesn't have respect for life, so why would he respect the pain he is putting the families through. Usually, mass shooters die while being apprehended by the police and families in the past say that no one is punished for the crime, so closure is difficult. Here, we have the criminal. There is no way he will ever be a free person, but due to him being alive we might possibly be able to prevent future mass shootings... Before he's sentenced to death. Florida still has the death penalty and the last time they put someone to death was July of last year. I can't imagine they won't sentence him to death, especially after hearing the testimony from victims and families.
@@jenerin905 Yea, I can't imagine him not getting the death penalty. The defense always has to do everything they can to get the desired outcome they are looking for. Which makes sense why all of this was brought up. You can call it, grasping at straws. They're going to have to do anything and everything to try to get the life without parole rather than the death penalty. Regardless, I think it's futile but they have to try something
This young man was doomed from conception. His mother is such a POS for wrecking this child!! NC was not helped! He was shuffled along! Of course he had bad behaviours, he has FAS/ORGANIC BRAIN DISEASE!! LEARN about it, then give your opinion. These “experts” make me sick!! NC exhibit textbook, FN TEXTBOOK symptoms, and yet every single one of them labelled him a bad kid, or MISDIAGNOSED BIG TIME!! Shame on you all!! That one director was the only smart academic witness up there!! Good God above!! This ALL could’ve been prevented, 10000000%!!!! These poor families are all suffering so bad, because NC was shuffled along! Don’t get me wrong, NC absolutely deserves the punishment he’s getting for all off this, BUT, his brain is like Swiss cheese! There’s no connection going on in his brain!! NC is probably thriving in jail, with the strict routine. RIP babies and teachers, and families affected by this travesty.🙏❤️
Didn’t seem to work here, did it. He had all the help in the world it as a child and a foster family that cared and he chose his own path. He took his free will and chose violence
Intervention is discipline in the form of a rod, but withheld, made illegal, coupled with a society fixated with lawlessness, and free access to weapons
His home life wasn't the issue, embryological development sleights via alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs used by the biological mother during critical periods of brain development are the issue. It's awful.
That one guy really hit the nail on the head when he said young Cruz resembled the mascot for Mad Magazine, Alfred E. Neuman. Now that I think about it, the resemblance is still there.
@@chadmarino2741 she testified to what she experienced with the bio mom: her drug addy and her total rejection of both the kids. He never had a chance. This is an indication of the extent to which brain development and stress affects children in utero.
His mother drank and used drugs while pregnant. This damages a baby's brain in unimaginable ways. He was failed before he was born. Nothing could fix the damage his mother caused.
Some people simply are bad. I know this flies in the face of the contemporary view that people can't be held responsible for their actions, and that anyone can be turned into a happy, prosocial person if enough money is spent on services for them, but it’s just not true.
Sounds like this kid, although born underprivileged, had every resource available to him: loving adoptive parents, a good home filled with anything he could need and teachers and social workers who took great pains to help him be the best he could be. No excuses for him. Edit-- I went to foster care when I was 14. Before that, I was a complete mess. Looking back, I think I exhibited some of the same behaviours that this kid did before intervention. My foster family did nothing spectacular--they were a simple farming family who worked and played together and all they did was include me. But I am who I am now because of them. So, again, I say that there is no excuse for this kid doing what he did because I was where he was at one time, and I know that he made his own choices.
It's not fair to make a blanket statement like that. You are two different people, with different emotions, etc. Good for you, but you especially should know that we all have unique qualities in our lives. We don't all have the same opportunities.
@@jamieharper808 I disagree. He knew what he did was wrong. There ain’t no rehabilitation for him. Even if there was he doesn’t deserve the opportunity to be rehabilitated. This is a spectacle for the media at this point. His trial should have been a few hours tops. His sentencing should have been 30 min: immediate execution. Literally same day execution.
I agree on that 100%. He deserves nothing more than death. We do need a better understanding and warning signs so that we can hopefully prevent this in the future though. It should be a wake-up call for women who choose to drink and do drugs when they are pregnant. It should be a wake-up call for parents and psychiatric facilities. I know these families are ready to heal but I also know if they could save one family from what they've endured...they would.
Guns. THAT is the issue. His childhood and mental cognition is irrelevant. He was messed up, we get it. Now how do we prevent these kinds of people from getting their hands on guns?
People exhibit who they are, even as children. I remember thinking about kids who were bullies, who bullied me back in the day and I’m sure that they are as hateful and narcissistic now as they were back then. People don’t change.
I was a horribly behaved child until I was moved out of that home. Then I wanted to be good and wanted to learn to make friends, I wanted to do my homework.. sometimes things at home do make a difference
@GencoSchmar 7 Wow, that's very interesting to know. And you have to figure, his birth mother was a prostitute, sleeping around like she did, only proves his biological father was a drug addict as well. I mean her friend mentioned she didn't even know who his father was. But his adoptive mother saw all these signs of his behavior and did nothing. All she did was coddle him. She didn't know how to be a parent, she always gave into him. When one witness said he had tantrum about the new car that he hated, three days later she returned it?? Who in their right mind would let a child do that?? Obviously, his adoptive mother wasn't in her right mind. After hearing a lot about her, maybe she had mental issues as well. Child services should have been called. A long time ago.
Its not society's fault. Its his crack-head alcoholic birth mother's fault who caused his brain damage before birth with her alcohol and crack. SHE is the sole cause. Drugs coming across our southern border still and President Biden doesn't care. That's going to create more monsters in decades to come.
Because of a range of factors, but the main one is the lack of discipline without God, in the form of a Father who will demonstrate and administer discipline, at the time when it will be scared into their memory
@@JP-uk9uc there is no evidence that any god or deity exists, sorry theist. Also it's possible to be a good and moral person without playing with imaginary friends (ie god)
thats a ridiculous question. you think this would go fast based on the situation they’re discussing? do you know how court works? it takes months for this severe of a case.
Plus how many kids are just like him with all the disadvantages these "experts" says he had and they grow up and are productive members of society and they did not kill people like this monster has. It is good to study people like him and learn from what we have learned and the system really needs to be made over and signs that were missed from a young age so that things like this stop happening. And school shooters need to know there are serious consequences to their rampages like receiving death so maybe it would deter more people from doing this. If they think oh i can just spend the rest of my life in jail no big deal then this will continue to happen. I don't understand lots of the defense tactics bringing the what seem like irrelevant facts to this case by these witnesses. i know it is their job but they need to stick to a few main points and get in and get out and get this over with. I know they are hurt and probably dont even like representing them i get that and it is his right but he took the rights of those 17 people then some They keep bringing in the same kinds of experts to make the same points over and over again and could be alienating the jury where they might start tuning out what is being said. You can loose the jury with throwing to many things at the wall to see if any stick. i do believe that there are ones in the jury who do know a lot about these types of disorders and issues either by studying it themselves and knows someone perhaps that has these same things. and they only need one to sympathize with him and give him life. i will respect the jurors decision however and i would not want to be in their shoes. I have noticed he is paying way more attention to the witnesses then he had throught the whole 3 weeks of testimony from devistated families
There are many examples are kids born is poor circumstances or mothers addicted to substances while carrying child that doesn’t mean they all turn out bad or killers this guy showed bad behaviour over many years and was by all accounts given every option or resource available to try to ease this behaviour but he chose to buy a rifle wok into his old school no murder I think it was 17 kids and injure many more he lost all right to claim childhood issues at that point. He took his rage out on others and from his videos took glee and pride in it he’s evil in my book.
@@scottanonymous798 evil is a religious construct. I'm not saying every person that have brain and CHT are set to be murders but case study after case study show that if the person has these 2 they are more prone to having ASPD.
It sounds like he got too much protection for his "behavioral disorders". Every time he was misbehaving, he was excused as a "problem kid" and he received much more attention in small groups and by professionals. It doesn't sound like he was punished, suspended or expelled from school, so he probably never learned that he is responsible for his misbehaving and for the consequences that he will suffer. Even now he is protected in a prison and he has still some privileges. That's definitely not the way to give him a sound lesson. He has once again learned that he can commit any horrendous crime and find someone that will protect him.
Look, I am not defending this guy. He made these decisions and acted on them at his own will. Clearly guilty but he wasn't over looked, he was ignored. A product of his environment. It is too late to do anything now. This is all to decide life or death.
Totally agree, I think it would of been a different story if he would of got the help earlier in he’s life. The problem with the system n people in general Ignore Mental Illnesses, very sad. Like many prisoners I believe most are mental health cases n need to be hospitalized than in jail. I like President Kennedy but the last bill he signed before he’s death was a huge mistake. Shutting down psych wards.
But if he is so messed up that he can't control his impulses he would be in shackles. He see him behaving himself just fine which means he can behave when he wants to and isn't some out of control monster that the defense is trying to claim.
@@edwinv196 great point. You hit the nail on the head. I do know that the pen he has was issued by the prison its a special pen that will not hurt anyone or can be used as a weapon. I don't know how they make a pen or pencil for violent inmates so they cant use It is better then the Crayons he use to bring when this first started The defense team wanted him to look like a child and play the part of one sitting at the table. I believe it is an act he is putting on in the courtroom to make him look sad and pathetic I bet he goes back to his cell every night and laughs behind everyone's back and saying look they are giving a reason why i did this and i have them all fooled. I did it because i wanted to hurt people and he planned it all out. He did just fine in his planning because if he didnt he would have been dead at the time of the shooting. Did not have any problems with his speech in the videos he made, etc.
@@denben8530 prison pen is made out of soft rubbery material that bends, making it almost impossible to do serious damage with it. Still can stab somebody's eyes out but cant stab their stomach lethally and such. With fists they are more likely to do damage than with that pen.
@@real-yeet8687 Actually... I have read on the internet that lethal injection (without proper and complete sedation) and the electric chair/electrcution (if not properly prepped) are EXTREMELY painful. Florida uses both methods of execution to carry out its death penalty.... and florida has had its fair share of botched executions.
When he purchased the gun why was his background not looked into if he had so many issues. Why bring it out now when it's to late he carried his PLAN out. Did they even do a background check. If so he should have never been allowed to buy one period
And this is why school shootings should be part of a massive landmark in regards to gun control in this country! How many more times do such heinous instances have to replicate in order for us to snap ?
A background check only covers whatever the police have in their records.They don't show juvenile records. Those are sealed. Records of school misbehavior as a juvenile are not available to gun dealers or to cops.
He had early intervention, he was given all kinds of opportunities, he was not failed. Not one teacher or therapist failed him nor did his adopted family. They took him away from the kind of life his sister is living. He had a good home. From all accounts his adopted mom adored him, so where did the failure happen? All I can see is a child who learned that his behavior, especially negative behavior got him what he wanted. Sure, he had problems, that is why I stated he had interventions, much more than most. What a shame.
Watch the prosecution case, Day 1 to Day 13. They detailed it and actually interviewed the guy who sold it to him. He wanted a gun and Lynda paid for it.
Kids who exhibit this type of behavior why is steps not taken before this to get people help. They need to really be monitored whichever way possible to keep stuff like this from happening because after it happens it's too late.
your so right. I dont know how you go about doing that though the way the system is set up.. Police have been called to his house multiple times when he was younger but since he was so young they did not do anything to him because the law would not allow it because he was not 18 and he never hurt anyone up until he did what he did and that is the problem with kids today they think well the law wont do anything to me so i might as well do what i want anyway because they will let me get away with things. Hard for the parents sometimes to get their children help before they hurt someone they only wait until they commit a crime such as this that the law will step in. Parents need more resources to help deal. Especially when they loose a spouse and are left to care for difficult children alone they do get overwhelmed and sometimes they let things slip when it comes to dealing with their children mis behavior. I wish there was a solution for all of this. So sad all the way around.
I dont think this could have been prevented. Psychopaths are Psychopaths. Idk what nc had but he Was already Born damaged. No matter what treatments and live he World get, he World ve done it anyways
I beleive that the guy pleaded guilty. How can it take 17 days to pass sentence. Life without parole is the only possible sentence. It does not take 17 days to reach that conclusion.
It's good to know the entirety before deciding life or death. Also good to know where these mass murders begin to form- since school shootings are the norm now
your right He gave them a death sentence. and ruined 17 families plus more. We have to not forget the two who took their own lives after having to live through the trauma they experienced from this monster. His life compared to 17 others lives He is still breathing they are not.
I’m so over the defense and it’s witnesses! He had a troubled childhood we get it. But based on videos and the way he speaks, he’s aware enough to understand and know better to go out a kill a bunch of kids! PERIOD! He wanted to be known..he wanted attention even if it meant in a very negative cruel way! The video where he says “you will know who I am I’ll be all over the news”!! GIVE THESE VICTIMS THE JUSTICE THEY DESERVE! You don’t kill 17 people for attention and fight to live ! Seriously the defense is a joke! What if it were the defense kids?!?! Jesus
@@danbillington I'm not really interested in making a joke of this tragedy. I knew better than to bite at your bait yet gave you the unwarranted attention anyway. Lesson learned.
Help out here. Just to confirm - mainly for my own sanity - you know they aren’t defending his guilt, yes? They’re not saying he didn’t do it or even that he did it but he didn’t know any better, they’re not even saying that he did it because of his childhood. When you say “this defense is a joke” can you help me understand how exactly you would defend him? Again, acknowledging that he has a right to a defense.
If I'm a jury I would be mad at how irrelevant these testimonies were. They spend more than a wk listening to his childhood. They are just wasting so much time on childhood that are more than 10yrs ago! Who'd want to hear any these? And it'll continue through at least 9/5, possibly way beyond that. When is the last time you want to hear a stranger's childhood for several weeks? Yeah, never.
The defense is trying to win him life in prison instead of death row. Criminals still have the right to an attorney as boring as all of his background is. Considering you're already partial, I don't think you'd make it as a juror anyway so no need to worry.
This is the sentencing phase of the trial. The defense is trying to say that he should not be put to death because of the way he is. He probably should have been in an institution.
Remember being in a class in school where all the other students were like gremlins after water got poured on them. You're sitting there petrified to say anything to any of them hoping to God they don't target you. Work can be like that too, at least you can quit a crazy work environment,
If I had all that in my brain I would want to die too…but never can I imagine being so cruel as to murder innocent children …he knew he wanted to kill people so he did. 😣✌️❤️🌎
the real reason why wanted to kill people is because he had been kicked out from the majory stoneman douglas highschool after he got involved into a fight with someone in his former school which was the new boyfriend of his ex girlfriend who she dated after she break up her relationship with nikolas cruz and that caused nikolas cruz to get depressed starts sending threats to the new boyfriend of his ex by threatening to killing him with the guns he has and when nikolas cruz saw him again for the 2nd time in person he starts a fight with him, unlike his first fight with him he only got sanction but in this 2nd time he got kicked out and he wanted to have some revenge against the school for kicking him out by killing any students and staffs he spots along his way that belongs to that school when he was about to shoot up the school as a retaliation for the school for kicking him out, those students and teachers he killed are strangers to him, he doesn't know them and have nothing to do with the problem he has in the school, he just randomly shoot up and kills any student and staffs who he encounters in his way that belongs to that school MSD just as a retaliation for kicking him out not because he is angry with those people he killed, but to put a revenge intendedly made towards the school only in order to inflict damage on MSD and not on these innocent people, he just used them as a revenge tool against the school
Me too. These parents i am sure wish he would have had a better childhood but why did their children have to pay the price. Why do they have to live the rest of their lives never being the same again. Them and their children were innocent by standards who had nothing to do with his birth mother, adoptive mother and on and on. so why were they targeted. Why did their child die in such a brutal fashion. These were kids living their lives and maybe even some of their children had issues as a child like this monster and they helped them and they did not do what he did. I would be asking the defense those questions. What if it were one of their children or grandchildren this happened to would they still try to get him life in prison and not death. These kids did not have a choice weather they wanted to live or die... SO SAD for the REAL VICTIMS AND THAT ARE THESE FAMILIES WHOS lives have been ripped apart and have lost something very precious to them their own children.
Nikolas Cruz was dealt the worst hand in life. He did not choose to have a drug addicted mother. He was not born with the same faculties the rest of us (most of us anyway) were born with so he was incapable of dealing with the complexities of life the way society expects us too. Nikoals did not choose to have his father die when he was five. Nikolas did not choose to have a psychopathic younger brother who made his life miserable. Mrs. Cruz, God bless her heart did the best she could with an impossible situation. As a mother, I put myself in her shoes and I just cannot imagine what she went through, and if she was alive to see this, my heart breaks for her and Nikolas. Nikolas had nature and nurture going against him. All of these are mitigating circumstances, whether you like it or not. I am not making excuses for Nikolas. Nikolas Cruz should have been in a locked down in-patient facility. But these do not exist for patients like Nikolas Cruz. It is tragic how all the teachers and therapists and doctors each had their own experience and knowledge of Nikolas, but there was no communication or coordination to adequately address the condemned soul that is Nikolas Cruz. No one had a complete picture of Nikolas, just pieces to a puzzle. If they had the whole picture, they should have Bakered him. Then he could not have purchased the guns. The victims and their families deserve justice, but what is justice? I had to look it up: Justice is a concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, or equity. It is also the act of being just and/or fair. Certainly the victims did not deserve what they got, nor do the families deserve the pain they are suffering, but is Nikolas’s death is just retribution. It is not justice. It will not bring them back or make them whole. Nikolas’s death will not make anything better for them. Nickolas is guilty and he should be punished, but is death a reasonable and just punishment?
The problem isn't necessarily "there's not enough mental institutions" I live in Minnesota where there are lots of them, they outright refuse to admit people who have a violent history so even if there was a hospital to take him to they'd either kick him out or refuse to let him in.
. True but he still executed and carried out his plan when he was older and knew right from wrong. Not to mention when he talked about racists things and hurting people to see what the reaction would be and all of that makes me feel he knows exactly what he was doing. and he bragged about what he had done or was going to do. He had no speech problems then did he.
@@denben8530 You people sound like schizophrenics talking to yourself when you reply to a simple 13-word statement on one topic with a novella on a different topic. Smh.
I don't even understand why this is still being talked about. It was like 5 years ago right? Our justice system has completely failed us. There is no justice but what you take for yourself.
I grew up in parkland and it was known right after this happened the kid was a weirdo. He had constant run ins with police. I'm talking dozens. I do believe he was even kicked out of Douglas at one point. Lots of people don't even know he had been gone from the school for quite some time before he did this. He wasn't even enrolled at the time.
This is why in the 1950s antisocial children were removed from the regular school population and sent to Special Schools for chidren with special needs. We never had school shootings back then. Ask yourself why?
They should save their Penny’s and get a new microphone on Amazon for the witnesses lol, every fricken witness “going to have to ask you to speak closer to the microphone”
Was the teacher called by the prosecution or defense? (I’m guessing defense as they went first) Because this is just sad. He has been clearly troubled his entire life.
We ignore behavior as parents, educators and communities. Our kids are exposed to violent games, tv shows, movies and home and communities. What did we expect? This is decades in the making, his parents were ignored as well and must have serious mental health issues. For 27 years half of my students were at least alcohol syndrome, from abusive and addicted families, fatherless and living in deep poverty with little supervision. Ignoring a problem will never make it go away!
@GencoSchmar 7 WHY do you keep replying with this comment under every single thread? You made your own original comment with the same information and it got plenty of eyeballs and people responded back. you pasted the reply into replies under the top comment threads that also get the most clicks-people have read what you're saying, HUNDREDS and hundreds of people have read what you are saying. You've copy pasted it into so many subthreads where it isn't a relevant reply that you're approaching spam level. stahpppp I agree it's fascinating and sounds like an interesting study, but ffs. Your derailing actual back and forth exchanges about different stuff for no reason. why do you keep copy pasting it in every single thread??
Children who have this serious of problems adults must send these kids to special schools and really get help. I can't imagine how much worse they could get with all the peer pressure and trying to adjust to social norms when they live at home with what this boy and millions like him go through. There's many to blame for this crime. Children who show these symptoms need serious help and the other kids who do not have these problems are sitting ducks fir when they flip out.
@@c.erine78 My son was on Adderall for just a very short time and it changed him into a monster who was violent i did not even recognize my own childs behavior SO we took him off meds because he was way worse on them. He is 25 now and has never bullied or tortured anyone and has never even though of killing others. Sometimes meds make it worse for them.. But then some other people do really good with meds and if that helps them then more power to them. Its all based on the individual circumstances and i dont knock anyone who takes meds. THey just were not good for mine. so i can only speak from personal experiene
@@c.erine78 I have a child who takes Concerta. It’s for ADHD and been taken for years with no issues. All inconsistency does it make it less effective and ADHD symptoms more prevalent. It can be taken for school days or every day depending on the need. Eventually it can be stopped; generally used until young adulthood (brain maturity). There are certain side effects, especially if stopped “cold turkey” (like most medications for brain-related issues). Thing is that there is no way he just had ADHD. If his mother used drugs and alcohol rampantly during pregnancy, that has severe effects on all aspects of development but particularly behaviour. ADHD on its own is more organizational and focus-which then can cause behaviours related to feeling defensive or embarrassed in places like school. It’s a type of thing that can be worked with and not a thing that will cause a person to go on a rage.
If you decide, plan, kill 21 people and gloat about it, he cannot be humiliated enough. Sure he had a very difficult start to life, but so did millions of people, myself included. He also had extensive support at school, which millions of people did not have.
The system failed this kid, he had pent up energy from years of bullying that made him do what he did, no wonder there are so many school shooters in the US when bullying is urged and rewarded.
@@polarfamily6222 you realize that ppl who are stabbed have a significantly better prognosis than ppl who have been shot... In any of these areas are knife attacks the leading cause of death in children? Because gun violence is the #1 leading cause of death in children this year in 'merica
If you know anything about teaching ebd students in self contained classrooms, you will see that is not the case. Lots of positive reinforcements are used to encourage good behavior. It isn’t all negative. It takes a lot of documentation and data to get a student placed in one of these classrooms. His teachers would have had to go through hoops and bounds to give Nikolas this level of support. If a sped student isn’t successful in the regular Ed classroom, they may need a more restrictive environment. It’s not right to blame the teachers when they did all they could. With all due respect, you are ignorant of how special education works.
Okay all I’m going to say if the kids are quiet there is a reason for it? Having to young boys myself and one more on the way I know as a parent when is something wrong with my child!! If a kid is acting up is because his looking at violence in his house or something is happening there the kids are like sponges they give you clues that there is something going on so Everyone saw how he acted but close their eyes 👀 to see it!! Deep inside Everyone knew it what was happening but decided to stay quiet an hush hush everything if you know someone who is going threw this! Report it that the next kid you going to see is that kid that is suffering in his place!! That’s why we have so many kids killing kids because they don’t know how to control their emotions and no one to be there by their side!!
Unfortunately, teachers ask for help for kids like this every day. If parents reject the help, we are helpless. The kid ends up moving schools and terrorizing the next set of kids and teachers.
No kidding. I wouldn't expect a well behaved child to do that. Being proactive about issues before is obviously the goal . Learning and trying to not repeat the same mistakes is what is needed. Easier said than done.
Im not trying to defend him, it's indefensible. But to everyone saying he got plenty of help, ...he did, but when a brain is broken the way his is all the help in the world isn't going to fix him.
Catch up, it’s 2022, there will be a reality TV show following his life in prison, whether he’s living out his life on death row or in solitary or the general population. The purpose of this sentencing trial is to define the parameters of the show.
The birth “mother” and “father” should be punished. They should be billed for the financial cost to society. They created this problem with their drinking and drug use.
Narcissus believed that the most brilliant light he ever saw was himself and that's why when any other life form shows a light as equal or more brighter, the envy and the jealousy starts and ends in murder... For someone who does not have God in their sights.
This murderer's dude could not stand to be in a room in which the light was divided and shared amongst others others he had to have all the attention to himself. For someone like me who has studied The Bible it's a tanic but for the Greeks it's called narcissistic Delusions of grandeur
Look at me MA I'm on top of the world. Ma: Yeah you're going down the shitter in prison for the rest of your life until you're old and great because you Couldn't stand to share life with others you had to be the center of attention.
Notice that the schools are focusing less on reading writing and rhythmic and more into how to stand out and so people do all sorts of things to their bodies and behavior all sorts of different manners that are disorderly to get attention that's the school system today in America where taxpayers pay the most of all the Western civilized 1st world countries and rank in the 30th percenti
He should have been institutionalized years ago.
Ronald Reagan is partly responsible for these issues. He closed hundreds of mental hospitals in the eighties. He started the process in California in the seventies when he was governor.
I agree
Sad but true...his mind was already gone long ago😢
President Ronald Reagan removed the concept of institutionalization among American with mental health problems years ago.
No, he should have been put to sleep
He was that nightmare child who became a nightmare adult. We've all encountered at least one.
I know I have
That's why I recommend every parent should have a wood chipper handy 2 h.p. minimum.
@@luisrivera3056 Now you're talking.
i work in a preschool and i had a 3 year old student no longer there and he was very violent. he would throw things at me ( the teacher) and students. he also would pull hair and hurt students. he told a teacher he would get his dad who’s a cop to kill her…
@@lydialacey Cops are the #1 Wife beaters in this country, he was probably learning to be violent by what he saw at home...
I’m pro gun, I come from a family of hunters ,but as a mother , I would never let a teen handle/have a gun , if their general personality displayed any of the following traits : impulsiveness , violence , depression , adhd, etc .They would have to find another passion/hobby.
Exactly I'm 18 and I think 18 is too young to be able to buy a gun or use one for sports unsupervised the age should be the age between 21 and 25 when the brain is fully developed
Yep same thing here
@Zombie Frogg Not everyone is as impulsive es someone with this that. But yes, a lot can lead to impulsivity and people at a certain age shouldn't have guns in the first place.
Not disagreeing with you, but I'm always curious to hear why some people are pro-gun. And I mean this as wanting to hear their story and not for judging people. I am genuinely curious since I personally think the world would be a better place if not guns existed at all :( And people can still have ADHD (like me) and be interested in certain things and handle it well and normally. Just saying there was a LOT going on with him there (not saying you or others disagree or mean it was soolely 1 thing at fault or smth, don't worry).
pro gun?
I feel like he got plenty of help. It just didn’t work. How many shrinks and teachers have testified? You can only do so much.
He's very ill it's clear
What I want to know is why the shrinks never insisted on weekly meeting with Cruz and his foster parents. Had a plan to build his confidence, a plan to have him focus on what is good in who he was focus on the positives in life. Pointless to say what is troubling you with out hearing what the kid is saying and giving him alternative things so he sees the positives in life. The system failed. Having seven separate experts/teachers change every year is fruitless it has to be intensive. What did it cost society when he killed 14 futures? Way more than time spent with co operative care. It isn't like 600 kids need crisis care maybe 5 are 100% lost. OR he could be totally beyond help? I don't know but giving long term care should be explored.
You can't some severally damaged persons....its about harm reduction strategies.....also all kids must receive breast milk and human contact for the duration of their infancy....this can REPAIR BRAIN DAMAGE THAT OCCASIONALLY OCCURS !
Look, he was always under specialist's care. Even at school... How many times did you change doctors because you felt uncomfortable. Especially if it was regarding mental health. I also noticed few judged Lynda for her age and criticized her based on their own biases, whilst others believed she did everything possible. If she was really that bad, wouldn't someone step in and insist she can't keep him at home?
Trying to fill a bucket full of holes. He was not capable of retaining anything that was told to him, he really needed to be in a facility..
This guy was f____ up from the very beginning. His mom was a hot mess too. It seems like no one could really help him become a functional member of his community no matter how hard they tried.
He never stood a chance. Neither did the kids at the end of his retribution. But ‘the voices?’ He has alerted many to this before he actually executed the visions he was having. Why is no one talking about conduct/antisocial PD, and schizophrenia? He seems to meet all of the criteria.
This is why abortion is necessary.
@@culkingsed yep his mom was a crackhead
They don't want to separate disruptive kids from the classroom becomes it is considered a form of "solitary confinement and discrimination". I don't agree with this because of that student can cause stress for other students.
Exactly. The other students lose quality education because of disruptive students who are mainstreamed.
Plus resource heavy and costly to supervise a few trouble makers in a separate classroom.
This is why kids like him need to be placed in a specialized school that the district funds! This is why parent’s do not know their rights, and can indeed SUE for placement. It’s called FAPE. My child is verbal, and has no behaviors and children that were behaviorally severe were attacking him. This is why WE sued the district twice.
@@FreeTheTrolls Is there a reasonable middle for kids with behavior issues to be placed with other kids? Is it acceptable to separate kids up into graduation? After that no one is goin g to have the benefit of mandated separation.
I believe kids should be taught with accountability that you can't act certain ways in society. When they don't act with in the rules of average society than the consequence must be in stone. No whining from the parents.
@@hopewins1629 Mainstreamed? Now I do believe that those kids can cause stress for some other students, but at the same time I don't think that they should be permanently separated. Removal, told why, what is acceptable, acknowledgement, make amends (to class/teacher/student), and then placed back into class.
Nothing can justify the murder of innocent people.
Nothing.
Very true, but this isn't about justifying the murder of innocent people.
Thank god no one’s justifying it.
Thanks Captain obvious
Amen
The thing is... They did too well.
Defense can't deny one fact- he got plenty of help and his siblings also struggled. When you think about how much Lynda and all the professionals had to do, it's full time job. They did too well. He could run away from a crime scene without tripping, good eye-hand coordination and motor skills enabling him to kill and injure dozens within minutes. He reloaded several times, he worked in order, planned, disguised himself... He obviously can follow through, when it suits him.
His history is irrelevant. They need to focus on how he did this with forethought and malice, which has been clearly proven. The trip down memory lane must be excruciating for the parents. Give THEM speedy JUSTICE.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 Sadly, his story IS part of justice process. His side is claiming that he was born damaged and that he didn't know what he was doing. His side has to prove that. They won't, but allowing him to mount a defense and it being shown completely irrelevant is one step closer to him never seeing the light of day. It's excruciating for the families, but someone like him doesn't have respect for life, so why would he respect the pain he is putting the families through. Usually, mass shooters die while being apprehended by the police and families in the past say that no one is punished for the crime, so closure is difficult. Here, we have the criminal. There is no way he will ever be a free person, but due to him being alive we might possibly be able to prevent future mass shootings... Before he's sentenced to death. Florida still has the death penalty and the last time they put someone to death was July of last year. I can't imagine they won't sentence him to death, especially after hearing the testimony from victims and families.
@@jenerin905 Yea, I can't imagine him not getting the death penalty. The defense always has to do everything they can to get the desired outcome they are looking for. Which makes sense why all of this was brought up. You can call it, grasping at straws. They're going to have to do anything and everything to try to get the life without parole rather than the death penalty. Regardless, I think it's futile but they have to try something
This young man was doomed from conception. His mother is such a POS for wrecking this child!! NC was not helped! He was shuffled along! Of course he had bad behaviours, he has FAS/ORGANIC BRAIN DISEASE!! LEARN about it, then give your opinion. These “experts” make me sick!! NC exhibit textbook, FN TEXTBOOK symptoms, and yet every single one of them labelled him a bad kid, or MISDIAGNOSED BIG TIME!! Shame on you all!! That one director was the only smart academic witness up there!! Good God above!! This ALL could’ve been prevented, 10000000%!!!! These poor families are all suffering so bad, because NC was shuffled along! Don’t get me wrong, NC absolutely deserves the punishment he’s getting for all off this, BUT, his brain is like Swiss cheese! There’s no connection going on in his brain!! NC is probably thriving in jail, with the strict routine. RIP babies and teachers, and families affected by this travesty.🙏❤️
@@jenerin905 death will be in hat sets NC free. Free from the pain of his life.
He's been evil and disruptive for a long time.
too many times a child's home life is overlooked...intervention,early on,is vitally important
Didn’t seem to work here, did it. He had all the help in the world it as a child and a foster family that cared and he chose his own path. He took his free will and chose violence
@@CrystalKat ok..I see;had read different accounts of his being adopted..I agree w what u said
Intervention is discipline in the form of a rod, but withheld, made illegal, coupled with a society fixated with lawlessness, and free access to weapons
@Boston Gal he was in foster care. The parents are Kimberly and James Snead
His home life wasn't the issue, embryological development sleights via alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs used by the biological mother during critical periods of brain development are the issue. It's awful.
That one guy really hit the nail on the head when he said young Cruz resembled the mascot for Mad Magazine, Alfred E. Neuman. Now that I think about it, the resemblance is still there.
He looks nothing like that 😂🤣🤣
I saw a kid that look soo much like that.
@@Face_Reality You're right, now that I think about it. Alfred E. Neuman is far more attractive.
Perhaps Alfred E. Neuman is his degenerate, drug addict father. Cruz is a living sideshow freak. He's brutally ugly.
Makes me think what my elementary school teachers would say about me
Did anyone watch his sister's testimony? Heartbreaking.
Very heart breaking 💔
so sad and so unfortunate
What did she say?
Can you briefly describe what she said, I don’t want to watch it and please keep it under 200 words.
@@chadmarino2741 she testified to what she experienced with the bio mom: her drug addy and her total rejection of both the kids. He never had a chance. This is an indication of the extent to which brain development and stress affects children in utero.
I'm astounded by how much special attention, time and resources have been lavished on Mr. Cruz. To no avail.
Suggests severe brain damage/funny looking kid. He can go buy an assault weapon though! Freedumb!
Thinking the same thing.
Exactly
His mother drank and used drugs while pregnant. This damages a baby's brain in unimaginable ways. He was failed before he was born. Nothing could fix the damage his mother caused.
Yea, what a waste.
Some people simply are bad. I know this flies in the face of the contemporary view that people can't be held responsible for their actions, and that anyone can be turned into a happy, prosocial person if enough money is spent on services for them, but it’s just not true.
Some people can be, others can't.
Sounds like this kid, although born underprivileged, had every resource available to him: loving adoptive parents, a good home filled with anything he could need and teachers and social workers who took great pains to help him be the best he could be.
No excuses for him.
Edit-- I went to foster care when I was 14. Before that, I was a complete mess. Looking back, I think I exhibited some of the same behaviours that this kid did before intervention. My foster family did nothing spectacular--they were a simple farming family who worked and played together and all they did was include me. But I am who I am now because of them. So, again, I say that there is no excuse for this kid doing what he did because I was where he was at one time, and I know that he made his own choices.
except the damage was already done before he got that privileged life. it was in the womb
Exactly!!
It's not fair to make a blanket statement like that. You are two different people, with different emotions, etc. Good for you, but you especially should know that we all have unique qualities in our lives. We don't all have the same opportunities.
the point they are going for is mental illness not "what made him go bad"
@@cat_lover77251 this guy had tons of opportunities. So many people tried to help him throughout his childhood
17 days of a sentencing trial for this lunatic? ENOUGH. Stop putting everybody through this and send him away. Never speak of him again.
Bro just stop watching.
It needs to be spoke about so we can do better in helping children like this. In turn it could save lives.
@@jamieharper808 I disagree. He knew what he did was wrong. There ain’t no rehabilitation for him. Even if there was he doesn’t deserve the opportunity to be rehabilitated. This is a spectacle for the media at this point. His trial should have been a few hours tops. His sentencing should have been 30 min: immediate execution. Literally same day execution.
I agree on that 100%. He deserves nothing more than death. We do need a better understanding and warning signs so that we can hopefully prevent this in the future though. It should be a wake-up call for women who choose to drink and do drugs when they are pregnant. It should be a wake-up call for parents and psychiatric facilities. I know these families are ready to heal but I also know if they could save one family from what they've endured...they would.
She also says not autism, same as the neurologist assessed. This is probably not what defense wanted to hear.
Guns. THAT is the issue. His childhood and mental cognition is irrelevant. He was messed up, we get it. Now how do we prevent these kinds of people from getting their hands on guns?
exactly
How about we focus on women that drink and use drugs while pregnant.
@@gemma8611 thats not worse than shooting 27 people.
Artist. That's the issue..
@@gemma8611 Why not both.
People exhibit who they are, even as children. I remember thinking about kids who were bullies, who bullied me back in the day and I’m sure that they are as hateful and narcissistic now as they were back then. People don’t change.
Someone should just kill the bad kids then.
I was a horribly behaved child until I was moved out of that home. Then I wanted to be good and wanted to learn to make friends, I wanted to do my homework.. sometimes things at home do make a difference
@GencoSchmar 7 do you have a link or the name of study?
@GencoSchmar 7 do you have the link? I never heard about it. It sounds interesting.
@GencoSchmar 7 Wow, that's very interesting to know. And you have to figure, his birth mother was a prostitute, sleeping around like she did, only proves his biological father was a drug addict as well. I mean her friend mentioned she didn't even know who his father was.
But his adoptive mother saw all these signs of his behavior and did nothing. All she did was coddle him. She didn't know how to be a parent, she always gave into him. When one witness said he had tantrum about the new car that he hated, three days later she returned it?? Who in their right mind would let a child do that?? Obviously, his adoptive mother wasn't in her right mind. After hearing a lot about her, maybe she had mental issues as well. Child services should have been called. A long time ago.
Kids need love, kindness, security, confidence and respect!
No child in America should have to raise themselves, be hungry and homeless!!!
❤️❤️❤️
@@danbillington shut it
What video are you watching?
@@danbillington GTFO, TROLL. No one thinks you’re edgy or funny or cute, go away.
He was neither hungry or homeless
More failings should have been removed from school
Evil is evil. All the resources expended on this one child and still he chose evilness.
Exactly!
Almost like in a society without a social safety net and fabric people will slip through the cracks and become monsters.
Its not society's fault. Its his crack-head alcoholic birth mother's fault who caused his brain damage before birth with her alcohol and crack. SHE is the sole cause. Drugs coming across our southern border still and President Biden doesn't care. That's going to create more monsters in decades to come.
Because of a range of factors, but the main one is the lack of discipline without God, in the form of a Father who will demonstrate and administer discipline, at the time when it will be scared into their memory
@@JP-uk9uc there is no evidence that any god or deity exists, sorry theist. Also it's possible to be a good and moral person without playing with imaginary friends (ie god)
Bro I guarantee every single one of your morals had its origin in Christianity.
@@JP-uk9uc Very true!
Why the heck is this penalty phase lasting soooo long…..lock him up & throw away the key for gods sake
The defense has 80 witnesses. 🙄
Unfortunately they have to go through each of the 17 cases of homicide and if it warrants life in prison or death penalty :/
thats a ridiculous question. you think this would go fast based on the situation they’re discussing? do you know how court works? it takes months for this severe of a case.
@@professionalboobinspector42 i would have already voted. There is no mitigating factors sufficient enough against the aggravating.
@@STCatchMeTRACjRo You lack knowledge of court proceedings, how cute.
Kind of a cheap shot to bring in a pre school teacher.
Yep
Plus how many kids are just like him with all the disadvantages these "experts" says he had and they grow up and are productive members of society and they did not kill people like this monster has. It is good to study people like him and learn from what we have learned and the system really needs to be made over and signs that were missed from a young age so that things like this stop happening. And school shooters need to know there are serious consequences to their rampages like receiving death so maybe it would deter more people from doing this. If they think oh i can just spend the rest of my life in jail no big deal then this will continue to happen. I don't understand lots of the defense tactics bringing the what seem like irrelevant facts to this case by these witnesses. i know it is their job but they need to stick to a few main points and get in and get out and get this over with. I know they are hurt and probably dont even like representing them i get that and it is his right but he took the rights of those 17 people then some They keep bringing in the same kinds of experts to make the same points over and over again and could be alienating the jury where they might start tuning out what is being said. You can loose the jury with throwing to many things at the wall to see if any stick. i do believe that there are ones in the jury who do know a lot about these types of disorders and issues either by studying it themselves and knows someone perhaps that has these same things. and they only need one to sympathize with him and give him life. i will respect the jurors decision however and i would not want to be in their shoes. I have noticed he is paying way more attention to the witnesses then he had throught the whole 3 weeks of testimony from devistated families
She made more sense than the child/adolescent psychiatrist.
Brain Trauma (his mom's rampant drug and alcohol addiction) + childhood trauma = antisocial personality disorder etiology
There are many examples are kids born is poor circumstances or mothers addicted to substances while carrying child that doesn’t mean they all turn out bad or killers this guy showed bad behaviour over many years and was by all accounts given every option or resource available to try to ease this behaviour but he chose to buy a rifle wok into his old school no murder I think it was 17 kids and injure many more he lost all right to claim childhood issues at that point. He took his rage out on others and from his videos took glee and pride in it he’s evil in my book.
@@scottanonymous798 evil is a religious construct. I'm not saying every person that have brain and CHT are set to be murders but case study after case study show that if the person has these 2 they are more prone to having ASPD.
@@scottanonymous798 also the access to even being able to buy guns. Noone is talking about that component
@Boston Gal out of all the things you could have addressed this what you choose to pick out 👍🏼
@Boston Gal I wouldn't be talking about being triggered when you decided to comment about the lack of spacing between two words. Lol
It sounds like he got too much protection for his "behavioral disorders". Every time he was misbehaving, he was excused as a "problem kid" and he received much more attention in small groups and by professionals. It doesn't sound like he was punished, suspended or expelled from school, so he probably never learned that he is responsible for his misbehaving and for the consequences that he will suffer.
Even now he is protected in a prison and he has still some privileges. That's definitely not the way to give him a sound lesson. He has once again learned that he can commit any horrendous crime and find someone that will protect him.
Look, I am not defending this guy. He made these decisions and acted on them at his own will. Clearly guilty but he wasn't over looked, he was ignored. A product of his environment. It is too late to do anything now. This is all to decide life or death.
The entire thing is sad.
Totally agree, I think it would of been a different story if he would of got the help earlier in he’s life. The problem with the system n people in general Ignore Mental Illnesses, very sad. Like many prisoners I believe most are mental health cases n need to be hospitalized than in jail. I like President Kennedy but the last bill he signed before he’s death was a huge mistake. Shutting down psych wards.
Agree
100% agree
They couldn't risk their cushy teaching job to help call out the evil
He is sitting in court with a pen in his hand, take the pen away.
Hopefully he doesn’t get sat too close to his lawyer or anyone
But if he is so messed up that he can't control his impulses he would be in shackles. He see him behaving himself just fine which means he can behave when he wants to and isn't some out of control monster that the defense is trying to claim.
@@edwinv196 great point. You hit the nail on the head. I do know that the pen he has was issued by the prison its a special pen that will not hurt anyone or can be used as a weapon. I don't know how they make a pen or pencil for violent inmates so they cant use It is better then the Crayons he use to bring when this first started The defense team wanted him to look like a child and play the part of one sitting at the table. I believe it is an act he is putting on in the courtroom to make him look sad and pathetic I bet he goes back to his cell every night and laughs behind everyone's back and saying look they are giving a reason why i did this and i have them all fooled. I did it because i wanted to hurt people and he planned it all out. He did just fine in his planning because if he didnt he would have been dead at the time of the shooting. Did not have any problems with his speech in the videos he made, etc.
@@denben8530 prison pen is made out of soft rubbery material that bends, making it almost impossible to do serious damage with it. Still can stab somebody's eyes out but cant stab their stomach lethally and such. With fists they are more likely to do damage than with that pen.
IT SHOWS HOW MUCH HE IS DANGEROUS!!!!
Didn’t he ask for death penalty at one time? He seems tormented. Life in prison would be the worse punishment IMO.
Yeah death is like an easy way out
Right that’s what I’m saying
@@悪臭-p9p no.. logically death is an easy punishment
@@real-yeet8687 Actually... I have read on the internet that lethal injection (without proper and complete sedation) and the electric chair/electrcution (if not properly prepped) are EXTREMELY painful. Florida uses both methods of execution to carry out its death penalty.... and florida has had its fair share of botched executions.
Life in prison is not a far worse punishment. Death is the ultimate punishment and it fits this crime. And no….Nikolas Cruz does not want to die.
When he purchased the gun why was his background not looked into if he had so many issues. Why bring it out now when it's to late he carried his PLAN out. Did they even do a background check. If so he should have never been allowed to buy one period
Denise, because there aren’t laws in place that require background checks.
@@astaraoneill9166 That's a problem alright!
@@astaraoneill9166 thats why they need to tear up the constitution and the right to bear arms!
And this is why school shootings should be part of a massive landmark in regards to gun control in this country! How many more times do such heinous instances have to replicate in order for us to snap ?
A background check only covers whatever the police have in their records.They don't show juvenile records. Those are sealed. Records of school misbehavior as a juvenile are not available to gun dealers or to cops.
He's a bad unit who decided to commit the most horrific crimes against society. End this evil.
agreed...he appears to be a sociopath
He had early intervention, he was given all kinds of opportunities, he was not failed. Not one teacher or therapist failed him nor did his adopted family. They took him away from the kind of life his sister is living. He had a good home. From all accounts his adopted mom adored him, so where did the failure happen? All I can see is a child who learned that his behavior, especially negative behavior got him what he wanted. Sure, he had problems, that is why I stated he had interventions, much more than most. What a shame.
He had a roof over his head and food in his belly, but the kid was never truly loved by anyone.
@Boston Gal DOUBT it
@@mac2312 based on what
It was recommended he be institutionalised and wasn’t? You don’t see that as a failure? Maybe not to him but perhaps to society?
Did he ever learn about good and evil and Christs love?
I still want to know where our how he got his guns and ammo?
Watch the prosecution case, Day 1 to Day 13. They detailed it and actually interviewed the guy who sold it to him. He wanted a gun and Lynda paid for it.
All obtained legally.
Me too.
@Vlad Makarov Where did he got the money? I heard Lynda drove him to the mall and she was there.
I love how she is like straight to it like and she so proper
You can't fix a sociopath. No matter the nurture.
Teacher: "I suspected that Nikolas had behavioral problems when he stabbed me in the thigh with a pencil." 🤣
Kids who exhibit this type of behavior why is steps not taken before this to get people help. They need to really be monitored whichever way possible to keep stuff like this from happening because after it happens it's too late.
your so right. I dont know how you go about doing that though the way the system is set up.. Police have been called to his house multiple times when he was younger but since he was so young they did not do anything to him because the law would not allow it because he was not 18 and he never hurt anyone up until he did what he did and that is the problem with kids today they think well the law wont do anything to me so i might as well do what i want anyway because they will let me get away with things. Hard for the parents sometimes to get their children help before they hurt someone they only wait until they commit a crime such as this that the law will step in. Parents need more resources to help deal. Especially when they loose a spouse and are left to care for difficult children alone they do get overwhelmed and sometimes they let things slip when it comes to dealing with their children mis behavior. I wish there was a solution for all of this. So sad all the way around.
He looks like a "Deranged Eddie Munster"
I dont think this could have been prevented. Psychopaths are Psychopaths. Idk what nc had but he Was already Born damaged. No matter what treatments and live he World get, he World ve done it anyways
I beleive that the guy pleaded guilty. How can it take 17 days to pass sentence. Life without parole is the only possible sentence. It does not take 17 days to reach that conclusion.
This case is going to take 4 months!
It’s cause of $$$$$$$$$
Theyre deciding between life without parole and death actually
The death penalty is also on the cards so they have to go through everything thoroughly before deciding if he gets life or a death sentence.
It's good to know the entirety before deciding life or death. Also good to know where these mass murders begin to form- since school shootings are the norm now
I'm so tired of hearing about him. What about the students and teachers he killed. It's not feel sorry for him. Grow a pair and put a stop to it.
It all leads to whether he lives or dies. It's called a trial.
We heard from the victims and their families. It's his sentencing trial. It's not about feeling sorry for him.
your right He gave them a death sentence. and ruined 17 families plus more. We have to not forget the two who took their own lives after having to live through the trauma they experienced from this monster. His life compared to 17 others lives He is still breathing they are not.
@@denben8530 i agree
Are you… involuntarily watching, or….???
I’m so over the defense and it’s witnesses! He had a troubled childhood we get it. But based on videos and the way he speaks, he’s aware enough to understand and know better to go out a kill a bunch of kids! PERIOD! He wanted to be known..he wanted attention even if it meant in a very negative cruel way! The video where he says “you will know who I am I’ll be all over the news”!! GIVE THESE VICTIMS THE JUSTICE THEY DESERVE! You don’t kill 17 people for attention and fight to live ! Seriously the defense is a joke! What if it were the defense kids?!?! Jesus
@@danbillington Sure and while we are at it, you can take him into your home, cook, clean and care for him.
@@danbillington I'm not really interested in making a joke of this tragedy. I knew better than to bite at your bait yet gave you the unwarranted attention anyway. Lesson learned.
Help out here. Just to confirm - mainly for my own sanity - you know they aren’t defending his guilt, yes?
They’re not saying he didn’t do it or even that he did it but he didn’t know any better, they’re not even saying that he did it because of his childhood.
When you say “this defense is a joke” can you help me understand how exactly you would defend him? Again, acknowledging that he has a right to a defense.
@@danbillington I guess you'd rather your fatter kids are gone, save on the grocery bill? Some things are dark and funny...this isn't one of them.
It’s like you have no idea how the judicial process works at all.
If I'm a jury I would be mad at how irrelevant these testimonies were. They spend more than a wk listening to his childhood. They are just wasting so much time on childhood that are more than 10yrs ago! Who'd want to hear any these?
And it'll continue through at least 9/5, possibly way beyond that. When is the last time you want to hear a stranger's childhood for several weeks? Yeah, never.
The defense is trying to win him life in prison instead of death row. Criminals still have the right to an attorney as boring as all of his background is. Considering you're already partial, I don't think you'd make it as a juror anyway so no need to worry.
I agree with u. This is not relevant. I think that they want to write a book.
This is the sentencing phase of the trial. The defense is trying to say that he should not be put to death because of the way he is. He probably should have been in an institution.
@@kathleendudek2955 if he does deserve death. Thenkuds didn't deserve to die.
For me, it's like listening to a case study. I want to know, what makes him tick. But he still needs the death penalty.
Remember being in a class in school where all the other students were like gremlins after water got poured on them. You're sitting there petrified to say anything to any of them hoping to God they don't target you.
Work can be like that too, at least you can quit a crazy work environment,
Wow the school system is really wrecked!
Isn't it just? It failed to teach you the use of the comma!
A real "tough" guy here,wasn't he. I'd love to see how tough he is when he goes to prison!!!!!
on death row everyone is kept in own cell seperately.
You’re in luck, because they will be making a reality TV show of his life in prison. Enjoy!
The parents wiped their hands of him sorry, left it all up to the educators.
He’s still wicked for doing what he did, but he was let down.
If I had all that in my brain I would want to die too…but never can I imagine being so cruel as to murder innocent children …he knew he wanted to kill people so he did. 😣✌️❤️🌎
These were high school students same as he..... still wrong nonetheless.
@@mglez2517 he was 19 and he killed a 14 year old, how is that the same smh
Only a person who has a messed up brain would want to kill innocent people DUH
the real reason why wanted to kill people is because he had been kicked out from the majory stoneman douglas highschool after he got involved into a fight with someone in his former school which was the new boyfriend of his ex girlfriend who she dated after she break up her relationship with nikolas cruz and that caused nikolas cruz to get depressed starts sending threats to the new boyfriend of his ex by threatening to killing him with the guns he has and when nikolas cruz saw him again for the 2nd time in person he starts a fight with him, unlike his first fight with him he only got sanction but in this 2nd time he got kicked out and he wanted to have some revenge against the school for kicking him out by killing any students and staffs he spots along his way that belongs to that school when he was about to shoot up the school as a retaliation for the school for kicking him out, those students and teachers he killed are strangers to him, he doesn't know them and have nothing to do with the problem he has in the school, he just randomly shoot up and kills any student and staffs who he encounters in his way that belongs to that school MSD just as a retaliation for kicking him out not because he is angry with those people he killed, but to put a revenge intendedly made towards the school only in order to inflict damage on MSD and not on these innocent people, he just used them as a revenge tool against the school
Same here.
Omg he ripped up his classmates work?? That must be the nail in the coffin
It shows an early pattern of antisocial behavior.
I wonder what some of the victim families are thinking
Me too. These parents i am sure wish he would have had a better childhood but why did their children have to pay the price. Why do they have to live the rest of their lives never being the same again. Them and their children were innocent by standards who had nothing to do with his birth mother, adoptive mother and on and on. so why were they targeted. Why did their child die in such a brutal fashion. These were kids living their lives and maybe even some of their children had issues as a child like this monster and they helped them and they did not do what he did. I would be asking the defense those questions. What if it were one of their children or grandchildren this happened to would they still try to get him life in prison and not death. These kids did not have a choice weather they wanted to live or die... SO SAD for the REAL VICTIMS AND THAT ARE THESE FAMILIES WHOS lives have been ripped apart and have lost something very precious to them their own children.
Nikolas Cruz was dealt the worst hand in life. He did not choose to have a drug addicted mother. He was not born with the same faculties the rest of us (most of us anyway) were born with so he was incapable of dealing with the complexities of life the way society expects us too. Nikoals did not choose to have his father die when he was five. Nikolas did not choose to have a psychopathic younger brother who made his life miserable. Mrs. Cruz, God bless her heart did the best she could with an impossible situation. As a mother, I put myself in her shoes and I just cannot imagine what she went through, and if she was alive to see this, my heart breaks for her and Nikolas. Nikolas had nature and nurture going against him. All of these are mitigating circumstances, whether you like it or not. I am not making excuses for Nikolas. Nikolas Cruz should have been in a locked down in-patient facility. But these do not exist for patients like Nikolas Cruz. It is tragic how all the teachers and therapists and doctors each had their own experience and knowledge of Nikolas, but there was no communication or coordination to adequately address the condemned soul that is Nikolas Cruz. No one had a complete picture of Nikolas, just pieces to a puzzle. If they had the whole picture, they should have Bakered him. Then he could not have purchased the guns. The victims and their families deserve justice, but what is justice? I had to look it up: Justice is a concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, or equity. It is also the act of being just and/or fair. Certainly the victims did not deserve what they got, nor do the families deserve the pain they are suffering, but is Nikolas’s death is just retribution. It is not justice. It will not bring them back or make them whole. Nikolas’s death will not make anything better for them. Nickolas is guilty and he should be punished, but is death a reasonable and just punishment?
The problem isn't necessarily "there's not enough mental institutions" I live in Minnesota where there are lots of them, they outright refuse to admit people who have a violent history so even if there was a hospital to take him to they'd either kick him out or refuse to let him in.
When are they going to sentence him ?????
At the conclusion of this sentencing trial. I hope I cleared it up for you.
How sad
The childhood pics you can clearly see a flat effect on his face
. True but he still executed and carried out his plan when he was older and knew right from wrong. Not to mention when he talked about racists things and hurting people to see what the reaction would be and all of that makes me feel he knows exactly what he was doing. and he bragged about what he had done or was going to do. He had no speech problems then did he.
@@denben8530 You people sound like schizophrenics talking to yourself when you reply to a simple 13-word statement on one topic with a novella on a different topic. Smh.
I don't even understand why this is still being talked about. It was like 5 years ago right? Our justice system has completely failed us. There is no justice but what you take for yourself.
I grew up in parkland and it was known right after this happened the kid was a weirdo. He had constant run ins with police. I'm talking dozens. I do believe he was even kicked out of Douglas at one point. Lots of people don't even know he had been gone from the school for quite some time before he did this. He wasn't even enrolled at the time.
Rant aside l, yes this should have been over with in a few months. Death penalty in Florida 👍🏻
4 years old
@@iian_ its know from the trial if they listened carefully.
If only not understanding led to not typing. But it doesn’t.
This is why in the 1950s antisocial children were removed from the regular school population and sent to Special Schools for chidren with special needs. We never had school shootings back then. Ask yourself why?
The difference that you mentioned is the ONLY difference between 1950s USA and 2020s USA. Great observation! Nothing else has changed at all!!!
waiiit. pretty much every kid in school is showing violent and disrespectful behaviour. what's her point??
Did she say "my students lied. I did not just sit"?
I think he was spoiled and entitled because his mom felt sorry for him. When the world didn't give him that attention he became violent. Fry him
Primitive outlook.
They should save their Penny’s and get a new microphone on Amazon for the witnesses lol, every fricken witness “going to have to ask you to speak closer to the microphone”
🤣
Was the teacher called by the prosecution or defense?
(I’m guessing defense as they went first)
Because this is just sad. He has been clearly troubled his entire life.
Prosecution went first. Defense is going now. They called this witness.
We ignore behavior as parents, educators and communities. Our kids are exposed to violent games, tv shows, movies and home and communities. What did we expect? This is decades in the making, his parents were ignored as well and must have serious mental health issues. For 27 years half of my students were at least alcohol syndrome, from abusive and addicted families, fatherless and living in deep poverty with little supervision.
Ignoring a problem will never make it go away!
I have played the most violent and gruesome video games in all of history and have never thought about shooting someone 😂
Video games, movies, and tv shows have absolutely nothing to do with this! What’s wrong with you?
@@zaytrewq same here. What that person said is one of the stupidest response I’ve seen today and wrong.
@GencoSchmar 7 WHY do you keep replying with this comment under every single thread? You made your own original comment with the same information and it got plenty of eyeballs and people responded back. you pasted the reply into replies under the top comment threads that also get the most clicks-people have read what you're saying, HUNDREDS and hundreds of people have read what you are saying. You've copy pasted it into so many subthreads where it isn't a relevant reply that you're approaching spam level. stahpppp
I agree it's fascinating and sounds like an interesting study, but ffs. Your derailing actual back and forth exchanges about different stuff for no reason. why do you keep copy pasting it in every single thread??
This was the wrong school and teachers for him..no one took time, except reprimanded
He needed medications and see a therapist when he was a child he didn't got the help he needed as a child and teenage.
Children who have this serious of problems adults must send these kids to special schools and really get help. I can't imagine how much worse they could get with all the peer pressure and trying to adjust to social norms when they live at home with what this boy and millions like him go through. There's many to blame for this crime. Children who show these symptoms need serious help and the other kids who do not have these problems are sitting ducks fir when they flip out.
Everyone failed 😔. Everyone is part of this mess. All Public services failed.
I want to know about the meds he was given 🧐
Ah, so you're desirous of some means of justifying his sinister act, huh? Shame on you.
One of the drugs that was mentioned was called Concerta, I don't recall any others. His mother was very inconsistent with him taking them.
@@brandondenver4331 i know right 🤦♂️
@@c.erine78 My son was on Adderall for just a very short time and it changed him into a monster who was violent i did not even recognize my own childs behavior SO we took him off meds because he was way worse on them. He is 25 now and has never bullied or tortured anyone and has never even though of killing others. Sometimes meds make it worse for them.. But then some other people do really good with meds and if that helps them then more power to them. Its all based on the individual circumstances and i dont knock anyone who takes meds. THey just were not good for mine. so i can only speak from personal experiene
@@c.erine78 I have a child who takes Concerta. It’s for ADHD and been taken for years with no issues. All inconsistency does it make it less effective and ADHD symptoms more prevalent. It can be taken for school days or every day depending on the need. Eventually it can be stopped; generally used until young adulthood (brain maturity). There are certain side effects, especially if stopped “cold turkey” (like most medications for brain-related issues).
Thing is that there is no way he just had ADHD. If his mother used drugs and alcohol rampantly during pregnancy, that has severe effects on all aspects of development but particularly behaviour. ADHD on its own is more organizational and focus-which then can cause behaviours related to feeling defensive or embarrassed in places like school. It’s a type of thing that can be worked with and not a thing that will cause a person to go on a rage.
NO EXCUSES !!!!!
Wow this kids whole life is out in the open....must be so humiliating for him.
So you feel sorry for him?
Lol. I think the fact he murdered his fellow classmates *is* the humiliation he chose for himself. He'll survive.
If you decide, plan, kill 21 people and gloat about it, he cannot be humiliated enough. Sure he had a very difficult start to life, but so did millions of people, myself included. He also had extensive support at school, which millions of people did not have.
how 'bout the 17 DEAD due to his evil actions?!...their young lives cut down!..at least he's ALIVE to feel..they aren't!
So
Missed the part where he did good in her class. Academically average!!!
No. You missed the part where he did WELL in her class. Clearly you were academically below average in English!
And no father or male role model.
@@danbillington No one has ever cared about you in your whole life and no one ever will.
Really, it should be the immediate family members and the wounded, who should get to vote on this.
That's not justice now or ever.
@@THE-id1by guilt is already determined, and in his plea statement, he said he'd want the families to decide his fate.
That’s what the defendant asked for. The judge told him it doesn’t work like that.
The system failed this kid, he had pent up energy from years of bullying that made him do what he did, no wonder there are so many school shooters in the US when bullying is urged and rewarded.
Exactly 💯
But hey, completely ignore the ton of knife attacks that take place in areas without firearms, right?
@@polarfamily6222 Nobody mentioned gun control.
@@polarfamily6222 you realize that ppl who are stabbed have a significantly better prognosis than ppl who have been shot... In any of these areas are knife attacks the leading cause of death in children? Because gun violence is the #1 leading cause of death in children this year in 'merica
HE WAS THE BULLY!!!
ESE promotion. Right. That's the ticket.
The trial of Eddie Munster.
He seemed like a kid, not being able to measure up...each teacher made it worse for him.. rather than better.
Is that a fact or
If you know anything about teaching ebd students in self contained classrooms, you will see that is not the case. Lots of positive reinforcements are used to encourage good behavior. It isn’t all negative. It takes a lot of documentation and data to get a student placed in one of these classrooms. His teachers would have had to go through hoops and bounds to give Nikolas this level of support. If a sped student isn’t successful in the regular Ed classroom, they may need a more restrictive environment. It’s not right to blame the teachers when they did all they could. With all due respect, you are ignorant of how special education works.
Okay all I’m going to say if the kids are quiet there is a reason for it? Having to young boys myself and one more on the way I know as a parent when is something wrong with my child!! If a kid is acting up is because his looking at violence in his house or something is happening there the kids are like sponges they give you clues that there is something going on so Everyone saw how he acted but close their eyes 👀 to see it!! Deep inside Everyone knew it what was happening but decided to stay quiet an hush hush everything if you know someone who is going threw this! Report it that the next kid you going to see is that kid that is suffering in his place!! That’s why we have so many kids killing kids because they don’t know how to control their emotions and no one to be there by their side!!
Unfortunately, teachers ask for help for kids like this every day. If parents reject the help, we are helpless. The kid ends up moving schools and terrorizing the next set of kids and teachers.
dont have time . someone summarize the "evil" stuff he did in a few words.
No kidding. I wouldn't expect a well behaved child to do that. Being proactive about issues before is obviously the goal . Learning and trying to not repeat the same mistakes is what is needed. Easier said than done.
What did the teacher do to help him????????????????????
Im not trying to defend him, it's indefensible. But to everyone saying he got plenty of help, ...he did, but when a brain is broken the way his is all the help in the world isn't going to fix him.
Just a decade ago he was just in middle school looking like a 8 year old;really thats how I looked in middle school too mad young I mean
He needed discipline at home. Children need to know their limits. It is apparent time outs doesn't work.
Easier said than done with a child like him..
Disrespectful
He needed a spritiual approach because it is like demons attack him THAT IS LIFE...BUT he got no help and he draws 666 in jail now
u know after 20 years or 15.. the documentary will come out with the title 'born to kill'..
Followed by a completely unrelated sequel, “born to chill”
Catch up, it’s 2022, there will be a reality TV show following his life in prison, whether he’s living out his life on death row or in solitary or the general population. The purpose of this sentencing trial is to define the parameters of the show.
100% I blame the system they should’ve caught this and help this poor kid before he got this bad
He had help, lots of interventions. You can only do so much.
Poor kid. Didn’t stand a chance.
how many other kids are just like him and have grown up NOT KILLING ANYONE.
A lot of kids behave like that in school but would never shoot anyone judge people on there actions not what you might thing they will do.
Cruz is Alfred E Nueman.
The birth “mother” and “father” should be punished. They should be billed for the financial cost to society. They created this problem with their drinking and drug use.
Well that tends to happen when you mess with a child’s mind say like BRAINWASHING children screwing with their minds this kid was not born this way
So did i, but I didn't kill anyone.
Narcissus believed that the most brilliant light he ever saw was himself and that's why when any other life form shows a light as equal or more brighter, the envy and the jealousy starts and ends in murder... For someone who does not have God in their sights.
This murderer's dude could not stand to be in a room in which the light was divided and shared amongst others others he had to have all the attention to himself.
For someone like me who has studied The Bible it's a tanic but for the Greeks it's called narcissistic Delusions of grandeur
Look at me MA I'm on top of the world.
Ma: Yeah you're going down the shitter in prison for the rest of your life until you're old and great because you Couldn't stand to share life with others you had to be the center of attention.
Notice that the schools are focusing less on reading writing and rhythmic and more into how to stand out and so people do all sorts of things to their bodies and behavior all sorts of different manners that are disorderly to get attention that's the school system today in America where taxpayers pay the most of all the Western civilized 1st world countries and rank in the 30th percenti
When i was in elementary school
I was doing things and playing with the toys when i was aged 3 and 4
Who pays for all of this nonsense trial day after day?
If a NARC is not shown consequence they will have no fears. You cannot teach consequence to a NARC . (SHOW IT)