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August is literally pumping so much content, producing at such a rate, the Destiny clips industriocomplex is being monopolized by this massive economy of scale, economically outpacing any competition, to manufacture and distribute all of it, right into my veins!
Damn dude I just realised I've been watching some of your meme mortal kombat videos for a short while now. You've made my days a lot brigher sir, thank you for your uploads as well!
I consider Destiny as being polite. It is considered rude to be indirect/beat around the bush for Germans. Because of that I consider someone like Demonmama as extremely rude and mean. Watching any video that has her in it is pure torture.
I don't think Germans are as "direct" as they think they are. And were Destiny a German streamer he would get the same responses within the German community too. I honestly think a lot of people just think disagreeing in general is kind of "toxic". A lot of these conversations remind me of discussions I had in online forums 2005-2010ish. I would often make my points in harsh ways and then people wouldn't engage with the point I made but with _how_ I made it.
The reason people call destiny a victim blaming is because they want to say fuck you piece of shit to the stealther but destiny only wants to equip women so that these things wont happen to them. Its point the finger vs prevent future harm
@@legessi This. People love to complain about things until you ask them what they're doing to stop the things they complain about. Then they get triggered that you're asking them to show conviction of purpose and call you a victim blamer while they sit around arguing which allows said bad thing to continue happening with no one attempting to stop it. It's why things like racism will never be "over" in America, because everyone loves to march with signs and voice all of their talking points in public spaces because they know they'll get social credit from being seen "on the right side of history". And then they go home, turn on Netflix, and forget about all of this until it comes up in a comment section online somewhere. And by then, they'll still have nothing substantive to show for all of the outrage they claimed to have the last time they got on their soap box.
To prevent future harm removes the means of their petty entertainment. Basically they want to complain based off the pain of others. To me that's a trash person
He didn't interject and everyone was interacting with pretty good faith, with maybe the soy guy coming in with a heavy slant, but I still think he actually critically engaged with the conversation. Panel turned out pretty good.
Seeing how people react to Destiny’s supposedly unpalatable or bigoted views, it would be hilarious to watch them confront people who actually have unorthodox opinions.
I don't know why we're doing the automatic extrapolation that unorthodox defaults to unpalatable, but good own, my dude. Gottem good. I'm sure your parents are proud.
"fucking christ"? You're seriously being mean to Jesus rn? you should be banned indefinitely from all platforms depending on your skin color and sexual preferences!
I am disgusted by the blatant kink-shaming some of these "leftists" as engaging in. Everyone knows retaliatory twitter antagonism is Destiny's kink. SMH my head, please do better people.
They really do build up Destiny’s arguments for him. If you have a history of having a trauma response during sexual encounters… don’t you think that especially means you shouldn’t be engaging in casual sex? With someone you don’t have much trust built with? C’mon.
@@SkeleTonHammer thats not the best grand slam bc saying they shouldnt have casual sex is more of a blanket term to what you said. It implies to choose your sexual partner more carefully, so basically the same exact thing you said.
Victim blamer! REEEEEEE!!!! yes, victim blaming actually makes sense sometimes, in looking for ways in which we can reduce people getting hurt. I mean isn't the entire concept of martial arts victim blaming? Why should victims learn self defence? Just remove all violence from society innit? 😆
Hmm. I don't like just telling a person they just can't do such a common interaction w someone...because ppl should be able to engage in sexual intercourse without worrying about their partner crossing a set boundary. That being said. That's clearly not the world we live in. I think the important point that Destiny makes w this argument is that you need to figure out why you are not able to stand up for yourself in these situations and how you can do that or just avoid those types of interactions altogether.
@@SkeleTonHammer it's not a slam dunk argument. You can't just pinpoint this type of behavior. What if she does all this, change the type of guy she usually sleeps w and it still happens w a completely different type of guy. That would even further traumatize her. She has to learn how to speak up for herself and probably refrain from casual encounters. Honestly. Even tho casual sex is exciting, it's probably the worst kind you can have in so many ways.
How the conversation played out, I really do look forward to hearing his perspective later on in life. He seems like a logically minded person, as he said he came from a very debate centric community. He's just young and bright-eyed, and too idealistic right now.
I know Fanatiq has had some rough goes of some of his recent panels, but I appreciate his attempts to create a less bloodsporty panel, and I think he's finding a better formula for it, at least as far as this panel went it felt like people were actually listening to each other.
Right, I love it when there's no pastrami on my Reuben sandwich. The fuck is the point of a panel without bloodsports? If I wanted to listen to people NOT yelling at each other I'd be listening to an audiobook.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorThe point is to actually accomplish something with the discussion other than pure entertainment. Not sure what's hard to understand about it. Majority of the toxic politics that exist today, exist because of the bloodsports in politics. Some people actually care about these problems and want them solved. Not all of us like just watching dick measuring contests.
@@seesharper8913 Don't get me wrong, the Reuben is ALSO incomplete without the bread, sauerkraut, Swiss cheese or Thousand Island dressing.... It's just that the pastrami is the part I showed up for.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor the point is to actually hear intelligent conversations and how they can be facilitated. the problem is people just copy what they hear and that includes bloodshot panels
I feel so bad for that guy who opened up the debate, you can tell he’s really nervous and kinda seems like he’s a bit torn on having to talk about this stuff to someone who’s opinion he values.
Yeah. It was really off-putting reading Destiny's chat screech about "sucking him off harder" or how retarded the panel was while listening to a guy try his best to speak earnestly. I don't watch anything live, but I really hope the chat isn't that cancerous all the time. If it's not toxic it's still cringe as fuck at the very least.
Honestly it's probably fine and he's probably not nervous. When I speak for a long time over the phone it interrupts my breathing for some reason and I get winded. I'm sure sounds the same way, but definitely not the case.
If being mean is ban worthy, then you're advocating that everyone Destiny has been mean to should also be banned. They aren't exactly nice to people who disagree with them.
here's what "mean" means here-dissent. as long as you're mean to the right people it's fine. Destiny was mean to the wrong peopls so he's the enemy and can be put on the shit list
@@Jo-bs2uu Truth, look a prime suspect Hasan who has been mean and rude on stream many of times, nothing. Destiny not even being mean is seen as being mean. When really somebody is too cowardly to affront their feelings better. Instead, want somebody banned instead of maybe not working with them. Yet the issue with discourse is that you NEED to run into people that you don't agree with. Since if everybody agree it isn't a debate it's a podcast.
I applaud these people coming out and stating their arguments or suggestions for Destiny. This was in all honesty a good faith discussion. Most of these people think the Ban is bs and were asked to come out with reasons as to why destiny was banned and what to change. It's a shame that most of the arguments end up boiling down to, don't generalise and be nicer. I don't disagree with a lot of this, but the only way you end up thinking Destiny is transphobic/racist/sexist/rapist is if you don't have any good faith. The sad truth is that more people are unfortunately idiots. :( TBC not the people in the debate. Just most people.
Destiny even points out in this discussion it doesn't even have to be bad faith, at least when it comes to most individuals criticizing him. To your point, the original, out-of-context lies told about him are what's bad faith, pushed by a handful of people. Their ignorant allies ultimately accept the lies as fact and Destiny becomes the target of their ire. A discussion like this exposes the whole thing quite well.
The most surprising take IMO was Vaush's. Maybe he came out with a later take that was harsher, but his initial take was like "I don't want to comment without knowing what it was for" and "The science on trans women in sports is unclear, but we should let them anyways". This is _worlds_ apart from his normal preference to just play into the Destiny sucks game, as well as his previous position which was that trans women in sports was practically settled science. Kinda read to me like he might even agree with Destiny but couldn't possibly take that position publicly.
@@albertjohnston1026 that’s still such a ridiculous take from Vaush. If the science is unclear, which it’s not, why would we then just decide to let trans women compete if we don’t even know if they have an advantage or not. The normal rational position would be to wait until the science was clear to amend the current structure of women’s sports. And I just do not understand how you could possibly look at the science on this issue and come to the conclusion that the results are unclear. There’s not many instances where the science is more clear really. You don’t even really need scientific studies to know this but they are just the nail in the coffin. These people let their emotions dictate so many of their opinions.
The Soy kid was endearing even if I didn't agree with him at all, I can respect someone who can be honest about their performance and admit when they lost. Hopefully he won't join the camp of the crazies in the future.
Yeah pretty brave honestly to come in at age 19.. Destiny's comment on his age wasn't even too patronizing. There's a difference in experience that comes with age that you can't really compensate for even if you're reasonably intelligent.
@@itsreallyhotinmyroom Fair point, but I don't think that was Destiny's intention. He asks a lot of young people that question cuz some of them don't know what the internet was really like in the gamer bro days of pre-2015. He just wants to gage their perspective and then tell them that the internet like most parts of society has gotten better instead of worse. We can always strive to do better, but you can't say that we've regressed over the years when we've done nothing, but progress.
I get the Katee girl is trying to be reasonable but its to the point of invoking the enlightened centrist meme. She tries to ground Destiny's clams to be more "fair" when the actual situations or facts of the matter aren't compromisable. An example is when she argued "Don't you think after the trans-debate stuff you talked about on Prime Cayes might make some people come away thinking you could be transphobic" Destiny replies "No one would think this unless they think you have to unquestionably support trans people all the time" Katee scoffs and says "You know thats not..." I assume she was going to say what I'm saying. When that is the actual argument being thrown at Destiny, like when he quotes VivanWolf saying "Questioning the voracity of Trans Athletes is transphobic" But Katee assumes most of the criticism thrown at Destiny comes from this hyper rational, nuanced, and hyper-specific perspective she's using, when that's actually a mischaracterization of the criticisms people give him. No one who actually engages with Destiny's material thinks this, and its catering to people who would never care to actually investigate. She's being so charatiable to the other side she is outright misrepresents what they believe, giving them more cover than they deserve and its frustrating to listen to. Example to the example and context is 1:00:29
I just wanna say that the first dude, don’t even know his name, did a fantastic job for someone who seemed to be incredibly nervous to talk to Destiny. Good for him.
Is this just a "I don't like how Destiny behaves panel"?, the same thing we've seen over and over? Edit: It is and Soy turns up his mic when he decides to 'assert himself' and say that mean = ban
It's called a struggle session. Comrade, it is time for us to air out our grievances. You do not twist the top on the liquids in the fridge tight enough Soy is 19 and very passive aggressive with a mindset that is alien. It's super focused on coddling
@@connor4169 and you'd be eating his ass a power bottom. how do you call someone out like this while being completely oblivious to how you come across as worse?
This Soy guy is the most contradictory performer I've seen in a long time. The amount of times he can barely get a sentence out "asserting himself" before he corrects himself, apologizes for his word choice/hyperbole, or just backs down is hilarious to watch. He's a Nice Guy attempting to live his nonsensical morals and simultaneously realizing how impossible it is every moment he tries to speak.
Adding to that, it's just annoying when someone spends so much of everybody's time on openly telegraphing into the room how he's going to say something or apologizing for it instead of just getting to the point. All of it seemed too performative and then he had to take back half the stuff he said. It was a bad caricature of a guy who wants to be taken seriously. Like one of the other panelists said, if you want to fight your image of being soy, saying you are going to be assertive is the soyest thing you could say.
Lol. Sure, he's goofily contradictory, but on the flipside there's you guys unironically caring about a third party's level of "soy", so in this human centipede of a hierarchy you've invented, why are you pretending like you wouldn't eat shit?
Why is it that the expectations of conduct and sensitivity around language only apply one way? That the same people who want to be treated with a level of respect are the first ones to find labels and insults to sling in the other direction? The way to get respect is to offer it, not to demand it.
How is anyone still talking about this tweet and why would so many random opinions matter... I just can't imagine being this sensitive over literally everything all the time.
Just like streamers used to (and continue to) farm LSF for viewers, small debate channels have dedicated themselves to putting Destiny's name in their mouths 24/7. How else are they gonna get put in front of an audience of people? It's a huge marketing opportunity--i'm surprised he doesn't make these people pay to debate him lol
Destiny should do more of "reverse the gender game". If you tell this people same story with reversed genders you would see them chnage their mind instantly. Sometimes is even better to tell equvivalent story. For example, if guy says he in past 2 months had seggs with 4 woman and they are stole something from him, every single person would make same points as Destiny says. They would be saying: you are cleraly pincking very bad woman, not all woman are like that; it would be better to show man how to pick good woman instead of just shouting "WOMAN SHOULD STOP STEALING"; he should not engage in casual seggs if that happens often because it is very rare situation etc etc
Soy-section was waaaaay out of his league in this panel. he's still a child compared to the other panelists. He's too emotional and bases a lot of his takes on emotions like destiny being "mean". Soy at this point in his life is like Destiny when he was a libertarian, he hasn't had the life experience to understand perspective and real problems. He was the only panelist that could not relate to the xbox live analogy because he's too young to understand.
I mean...given he's alongside a girl that can't participate in a conversation without asking permission to ask a question everytime, I thought we were just normalizing bringing children into Fanatiq's panels. It would explain why his format caters to kids.
Listening through this conversation, the basic takeaway is some people really enjoy opportunities to dictate authority over others and some people see that power as dangerous. Hating and shunning people who I consider to be hateful, is also an act of hate. It's just considered to be a justified act of hate against another. There is no way to ever eliminate this scenario from the world. Whomever strives for the elimination of all hate, lives in a fantasy world.
@@Nazareadain Far too big of a topic for a youtube reply. Super-short version, if someone believes rising to a position of power to ban people off platforms for opinions will eliminates hate from the world, you're looking at the world in a wrong way. History has demonstrated time and time again centralizing authority and censorship is one of the fastest ways to create hate within societies over the long term.
Glad to see August working hard to help make up for $$ losses from the twitch ban. Hopefully YT will be better for destiny in the long-run. & kudos to Fanatiq for better moderation. He took feedback & is improving 👏🏻 💞
You know, for the most part I don''t look at chat, but the sheer amount of quotes from the debate had me reflexively checking chat and they made me die with laughter every goddamn time. One of of my favorites is Soy "asserting" themselves because they had been rolled for too long. Chat instantly full of Wojaks clapping in response, "Go off king!" "Yass assertive!" "omg so brave!" DGGers are the funniest self-aware people I've come across lmao (not a cult btw)
I just want to say that, as a black person, Destiny has never offended me with his language. I do not agree with 100% of his takes regarding race and society (maybe 95% of them) but he’s never offended me with racially insensitive language. I don’t agree with that critique at all.
just started the video but why wouldn’t people be banned for being too mean? are you being serious? cultivating a toxic and hostile environment, or promoting harassment should obviously justify a ban on any serious platform.
@@deep_and_profound_topics being "mean" is different than being toxic and harrassing. In politics you have to be mean sometimes to idiots who spew bullshit and lies? is that wrong, no. mean =/= uncalled for
my god the amount of people that are oversensitive is insane. I dont agree with every position destiny has but he def has alot of patience. Cant believe some individuals are pretty much saying you cant be mean on social platforms... mix that in with double standards and labeling any opposition (even if its a good argument) as "toxic" or "hate" is just a recipe for disaster.
I don't agree with Destiny on basically anything but you're right he has the patience of a saint. Idk how he could sit through over an hour of these spergs bitching about him being mean.
This the same people going off on "Being nice is the baseline not the exception" like who raised y'all that you flinch the moment somebody speaks confidently and checks people's bad ideas? How can they legit preach being "nice" when they really don't care about niceness until they're feelings are hurt?
Surprised it’s actually a good faith attempt to understand “controversial” points like “if a girl can’t assert her boundaries during sex then perhaps she should hold off on casual sex till she can.” Progress
@@deadzoneternity They want sympathy or support, not logical conclusions. I have had similar conversations with a female friend. She disagreed with me so hard, told me I'm a victim blamer, yada yada. So i asked her: well what's the correct answer then? Pointed out the flaws with her solution to it (she wanted to put people in jail for being ACCUSED of rape at that point), and that people need to take responsibility for themselves. People want the cake and eat it too My point is eat the cake if you want, but just know that you may get fat from it. People are so brainwashed that they don't even understand or want to accept the fact that sex with a stranger is an activity with risk involved.
@@karsten9387 I'm a woman and you (and Destiny) are absolutely right about this. People are responsible for their decisions. Sometimes people are victimized and there's nothing they can do about it. That sucks. However, if you keep choosing to engage in behaviours that put you in danger, and you're not prepared to deal with the consequences, it's time to figure out why you're doing it to yourself and change it.
But what if she gives any push back for any reason and the man pulls out an M16 and starts blowing out her kneecaps. Sorry since I'm from America and we have guns this is a real possibility that everyone has to consider and already happens anywhere from 1000 to 2000 times a day.
@@nihanthpinnaka2304 no, it isn't. There 8s plenty of suffering in this world that you can be informed about and use it to ground yourself in reality. If you truly think speech hits that level, you are quite privileged and uninformed with no sense of reality. You live in a bubble isolated from the real world in that case.
@@PlanetJeroen I say give it a year after country goes into stagflation or recession they'll have something else to be scared of other than imaginary internet bullies "causing harm"
"I don't know why we're nitpicking." Destiny: "Nitpick away. That's the point of this panel." I aspire to be as calm and open to listening as Destiny is when being criticized by 4 people at once.
@@thenayancat8802 this is a brand new fanatiq. If this was a b+ moderation grade the best he’s gotten in the past is D- If he keeps this up for even just another panel or two you won’t see these negative comments. It’s criticism of previous action basically.
Shoutout to the nascence of section, soyction whatever. Buddy displays some impressively rare self-awareness in closing statement to hold the L with head high, and the air of determination to learn from mistakes. Rooting for his ascent 📈🚀
This was a good conversation. Everyone participated in the conversation. There is no toxicity because this is not a debate, but a conversation. I hope there are more conversations and that fanatiq can conduct the conversation. Conversation
The "degenerate" comment is like the perfect example of why this entire situation is built upon lies. No one in this panel reacted when the online activist trans communiuty was called degenerate but Destiny's descriptor of subhuman was not okay? Exactly the same situation but he's held to a different standard.
I think it's a read the room situation. It's a question of what's the goal. If the goal is to impact people's behavior, then mocking and ridiculing and being inflammatory may or may not be the best way to do that depending on the audience. However, if your goal is just to fuck around and kick a hive, go for it.
@@depletable But there's obviously a middle ground between using carefully crafted maximally pc language with 40 caveats on any statement and being as aggressively hyperbolic as possible. If going through a rolodex of the most pointed insults possible to hurt people is part of your core philosophy, then I mean, idk what to tell you. To be clear, I don't think destiny does fall on either extreme, he's also in the middle. And also note, I don't think being maximally PC is the most effective way to change people's behavior either. It does come off as disingenuous and virtue signally. However, with all the talking heads we love so much having the pretense of trying to convince other people to modify their behavior or beliefs, it seems like it would be in their best interest to use the language that is most effective in a given situation/audience. If you literally just don't care at all what/how people perceive what's being said and just like being in the space to say things and fight for the sake of fighting, that's fine too. That's what I described as kicking the hive. Just be honest with the intent.
@@depletable yeah, I really don't think we disagree overall. My main contention wasn't with the way destiny interacts with people, but more the person I replied to. Their statement has an energy more like the "I'm a boss bitch" persona a lot of people use as a shield to justify being an asshole. Or your Dr. House types. "The world isn't all rainbows," while true, isn't a constructive way to have conversations. Again, specifically if your goal is to convince people to change their behavior. People aren't entitled to have you not offend them. But the more you can mitigate that while not compromising your position to do so, the more effective of a communicator you'll be. You have a right to offend people, but being needlessly offensive (double bold and highlight on needlessly) is counter productive.
There really needs to be better online guidelines for attacking people like destiny. Links or clips of actual things someone said or did instead of summaries should be required. Look forward to watching this tomorrow ✌️
@@mrhaast5053 XD lmao too true. It seems 80% of content from many of them is generally content without merit. Instead of trying to improve their game most of them would rather attack people who are willing to do real homework and seek truth regardless of emotions.
Here's the problem with STVPhilly's claim that black people were discriminated against in sports for the same reasons. That is absolutely false. Black people were discriminated against in sports because they were considered inferior. Obviously, they proved that idea false pretty quickly. Trans people's participation in women's sports is being questioned because they are clearly superior. Trans people aren't being barred from participating in sports. They can play in men's sports whenever they want. If the difference between men and women is as negligible as these people claim, then playing men's sports should be an obvious solution.
For real though, accusation after accusation walked back immediately after Steven says one sentence. These people are fucking rabid, but cloaked in soy.
Extremely salient critique of destiny: you can’t act like a different person/use hyper inflammatory rhetoric on Twitter in order to farm content for stream and then when you get to stream, you expect to have a nuanced, respectful discussion. What’s worse is that destiny then complains about the state of discourse online, when he is an essential part of that rotten discourse.
Most of these panels make me want to videogame myself but this roster of panelists was surprisingly engaging and cool to listen to, with pretty unique perspectives, good faiths, even honest admissions of being wrong.
wait, is this a reupload? havent we had this exact same conversation with the exact same talking points like 10 times already? is there a factory that produces humans to debate destiny on this exact same stealthing tweet immediately when they come off the conveyor belt?
@23:00 'a platform has a responsibility to ban things that are inflammatory'. To who? because inflammatory is subjective. Call it a hunch, but I'd bet this person doesn't care about banning things that are inflammatory to a devout Catholic. So basically this person is saying, 'I think platforms have a responsibility to ban opinions I don't like'. These people are insufferable, narcissistic, children.
@1:29:30 yeah setting a threshold doesn't "necessarily" mean the threshold will just arbitrarily change, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO principled standard he is using to define "mean". He even says this "I don't have a formula we draw these ARBITRARY distinctions like this fairly frequently". So from his OWN words, the threshold ABSOLUTELY will change. If he can't give a precise line then the slippery slope is NOT a fallacy, it is the reality! What prevents the slippery slope from being illogical is the existence of hard standards, hard lines. "That is mean" is NOT a hard standard!
I wish that Steven had brought this back around to the actual harm of lefties infighting when spicy Twitter takes are 2000th down on the list of priorities. This type of prioritization breeds idiots like the Steven Crowder vs Steven debate, breeds echocucks like Hasan, prevents real progress. Find who smeared destiny in the campaigning arc and rectify that, because it's sad that any real progress gets weighed down by a spicy quote.
That was actually a really nice panel. I enjoy those way more than the crazy 15 people screaming at each other and half of them just escaped the mental hospital panels.
I agree with destiny's take on the online trans activists. It's all Identity Politics with all the talking points and arguments, even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying, because it's all based on a narrative. A while back, I watched a Contrapoints video where she debated a Terf Character she created and she actually lost against her strawman.
Then you only listened to points that alreadya gree with you and ran with them... most of the transphobia that people think 'surr hurr its a moderate/centrist' is just based on pure ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject, them beliving your ignorance has to be taken on the same level as research and live experiences from those of us who know. Strawmaning is a logical fallacy for a reason, then people still buy into them because its the easiest, lasiest thing to do
Why do I get the feeling there's a generous amount of interpretation involved in the "losing" part of that statement? oh, right: "even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying" #humblebrag #weirdflex #sayyouresmartwithoutsayingyouresmart Even with my layman's understanding, I too can enjoy a good round of intellectual autofellatio.
It is BEYOND clear that you cannot talk about trans issues if you aren’t speaking overwhelming support for anything they think or want to do… Any whiff of a disagreement automatically makes you a transphobe or intolerant even when you are presenting a nuanced opinion
And the unassailable statement TWAW cuts straight to the heart of that. If you're not willing to deny material reality, you hate trans people and want them deed.
I love the start showing how much prep Fanatiq has indeed put into this: "I've taken time to carefully speak to each of you. Riz-ome (however you pronounce your name)..." don't you think that might be one of the things to find from those pre-talk conversations? :D
@@PlanetJeroen Generally I think it's respectable for a person to pronounce words wrong which they use correctly - it means they learned it by reading.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor not sure when that word is a name. I would add at least a zoom meeting or alike ahead of time to cover the things that can get lost in text only, like pronunciation and voice tonality for the audio tech that has make it all sound similar.. so yah, missed opportunity more than respectable imho.
Hard to say. I feel like he would have a consistent 2-3k viewers on Twitch. Most viewers on dgg would opt for the TH-cam player I think because embedded Twitch would blackout after a few hours. But it was definitely a significant percentage of his total income.
@@bird6472 I think he said that originally it was a majority, but since TH-cam has been doing well it turned into like 10(ish) percent of his income? I forget which video it was in. Maybe it was an off-hand comment during a stream I saw in a Vod?
@@uszpdoz yo are you fr he makes 500-800k a year? Bro he has to be on the cusp of being able to retire completely if he wanted to. He doesn't have to give af about anything anyone thinks at that point he's got f you money haha
I once opened a civil engineeering textbook to a random page it was just a picture of destiny captioned "example of a structurally sound frame that can be built upon"
I really enjoyed this panel. Solid discussion, good faith push-back with genuine attempts to respond to destiny with reasonable arguments and fnatic managing the panel exceptionally well for a change. All around really positive, and I'd like to see more like this moving forward.
I haven’t either. If you keep doing something that’s negatively affecting you, you really should stop and figure out why. I really don’t understand why people are so up in arms about that. It makes no sense to me at all
i mean destiny is acting like anyone takes issue with his general promotion of personal responsibility wrt sex. of course one should be able to express boundaries w sexual partners-and if they can’t, they should refrain from casual sex. that’s not really the concern here. that’s the kind of advice you give to someone who can’t speak up when they’re uncomfortable with their partner, say, spontaneously choking them, or pulling their hair. stealthing is a direct transgression of an established boundary. when you begin sex wearing a condom, there is the implicit agreement that it remains on until completion (obviously), and so a stealthing situation is akin to specifying with a partner: “don’t choke me,” and having them choke you regardless. there are rules outlining a consensual, sexual interaction and those rules are deliberately broken. it’s not really difficult to understand how this would make a considerably smaller and weaker sexual partner feel unsafe speaking up, and it’s extremely stupid of destiny to pretend the onus is on the woman to simply “pick better” in these circumstances.
@@deep_and_profound_topics The point is to express the boundary. If from there, the person still ignores that, then that is not the fault of anyone but that person. I think the point is to just have the standard of speaking up because that can reduce the chance of a person being raped.
@@idkhbtfmandnowimsad994 my point is that the boundary is implicitly expressed. when someone removes a condom midway through sex it represents the transgression of an already established boundary, not a miscommunication of boundaries.
45:55 I personally don't really care about what Destiny says on Twitter, but I think even he would agree that "appearing to be a good person" is arguably more important than "being a good person" if most of your influence comes from the internet, as Destiny's does. It's the entire reason telling jokes in private vs public is even an argument he's made many times. Whether or not he's good to people privately seems pretty irrelevant to this topic.
Yea, appearing to be a good person can help people get behind whatever you're saying more easily. You need both to provide good change. If you only appear to be good, then you can lead a bunch of people down a horrible cause. And if you're good, but not seen that way by the majority of people, you'll only get a small minority of people to get behind what you're saying.
@@WanderTheNomad True, I don't think being good is literally irrelevant, just in the context of this topic. Those on the panel all said they didn't think he was transphobic, so him being good wasn't so much of the point as him having a good influence.
@@chaucerianfraud6767 I actually agree, but I'm using it in the sense of having a habit of behaviors we generally understand as "good" over simply saying "good" things.
It seems like the only thing that can be a fair criticism is that Twitter might not be the best platform to do edgy comments/responses, even if completely justified, as 280 character bursts doesn't lend well to nuance or productive conversations. When Destiny explains his tweets in a conversation or debate, he seems to be able to convince anyone engaging in good faith that even if the tweet was inflammatory, he had a very good point and/or that the tweet wasn't that bad to begin with.
please dont invite or argue with teenagers... so annoying to listen to. that guy didn't have any clue about anything. Got corrected of almost everything he said by everybody in the call, because it was nonsense all in all. teenager do not know anything about the world, he just left high school and thinks he understands the world.
Holy shit, Soy admitted the WHOLE thing. "Destiny's not actually racist or transphobic, we just have to invent reality to say that hes mean and we dont like it" He was just unironically honest with every dumb criticism and when everyone on the panel got confrunted they basically said Soy is stupid. Thats literally EVERYBODY'S distilled opinion that opposed the child tweet- they just want to believe somehow its deeper than that. Edit: I actually think now hes a mole planted by Destiny to show how stupid this argument is taken to the enth degree, but from a mouth that isnt his.
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Shoutout to Fanatiq and all the panelist for participating in this good faith debate.
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The Destiny banner on the home page still has the twitch link fyi
Wtf is this disgusting new colour scheme
new color bad, make slightly different pls
The orange text pops out a lot on the thumbnail
date says march not april by the way
August is literally pumping so much content, producing at such a rate, the Destiny clips industriocomplex is being monopolized by this massive economy of scale, economically outpacing any competition, to manufacture and distribute all of it, right into my veins!
When I tell people to read theory I'm going to reference this comment
Bitten by the vaush bug
@@chandler7493 Dest Kapital
daliban doing pretty good tho
Sounds a bit like an oligarchy
August really out here on that sigma grindset with these uploads. Keep it up!
😎
Destiny actually did a lot of content that day, so August gives us the fruits of a this harvest. Enshalla brothers, we eat for a week!
Damn dude I just realised I've been watching some of your meme mortal kombat videos for a short while now. You've made my days a lot brigher sir, thank you for your uploads as well!
@@trololkhil9868 GIGACHAD
Sigma is such a Beta cope
I consider Destiny as being polite. It is considered rude to be indirect/beat around the bush for Germans.
Because of that I consider someone like Demonmama as extremely rude and mean. Watching any video that has her in it is pure torture.
I like Germans even more now.
The Blitzkrieg is considered polite, based
@@Rhodiac 🤣 wow
I don't think Germans are as "direct" as they think they are. And were Destiny a German streamer he would get the same responses within the German community too. I honestly think a lot of people just think disagreeing in general is kind of "toxic". A lot of these conversations remind me of discussions I had in online forums 2005-2010ish. I would often make my points in harsh ways and then people wouldn't engage with the point I made but with _how_ I made it.
@@HaraQuinn Probably is, but what they gonna do? Ban a trans person?
X to doubt
Hey, at least fanatiq did a good job as moderator for a change; he actually facilitated the conversation.
Meh, he was still petty and passive aggressive.
Probably the first time a black man hung around a bunch of niggas and it did him good.
@@Numb_ passive aggressive as hell but at least he didnt talk too much
@@Numb_ You might be numb to the bullshit, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
@@Septurez can point out the passive-aggressiveness? I'm just not seeing it man 😕
The reason people call destiny a victim blaming is because they want to say fuck you piece of shit to the stealther but destiny only wants to equip women so that these things wont happen to them.
Its point the finger vs prevent future harm
If the bad thing stops happening due to prevention steps, then virtue signalers would have nothing to signal about.
@@legessi This. People love to complain about things until you ask them what they're doing to stop the things they complain about. Then they get triggered that you're asking them to show conviction of purpose and call you a victim blamer while they sit around arguing which allows said bad thing to continue happening with no one attempting to stop it. It's why things like racism will never be "over" in America, because everyone loves to march with signs and voice all of their talking points in public spaces because they know they'll get social credit from being seen "on the right side of history".
And then they go home, turn on Netflix, and forget about all of this until it comes up in a comment section online somewhere. And by then, they'll still have nothing substantive to show for all of the outrage they claimed to have the last time they got on their soap box.
It's always interesting seeing people prioritize punishment over prevention. They'd rather have victims.
To prevent future harm removes the means of their petty entertainment. Basically they want to complain based off the pain of others. To me that's a trash person
@@Nazareadain so true
Bro he's 19 saying the internet is becoming more toxic 😂😂😂
Right. Dude would self-delete back in '07 after a single Modern Warfare lobby
@@TheKeefeStone MW and MW2 was so fun. those lobbies were spicy. gotta a little crazy haha
Okay I was a critic of Fanatiq's last few panels, but this one was really good and I hope he keeps the same pace for future panels like this one.
He didn't interject and everyone was interacting with pretty good faith, with maybe the soy guy coming in with a heavy slant, but I still think he actually critically engaged with the conversation. Panel turned out pretty good.
Seeing how people react to Destiny’s supposedly unpalatable or bigoted views, it would be hilarious to watch them confront people who actually have unorthodox opinions.
They'd crumble and retreat.
I don't know why we're doing the automatic extrapolation that unorthodox defaults to unpalatable, but good own, my dude. Gottem good. I'm sure your parents are proud.
Have them "debate" Demonmama then come back to claim Destiny is "mean and rude".
@@Nazareadain What are you? Some sort of [redacted]?
As the soy-guy put it, he would have a different bar. Destiny gets a lower "threshold" than others because he's destiny.
"You being mean is hateful"
Oh fucking Christ, I always assumed as much, but hearing it just said like that really hits different
All that quotation brings to mind is infinite soy-faces lmao
With that framing, almost anything could be interpreted as hate speech.
@@ezo2161 that’s the problem with this weak ethos of “problematic language”. Where does it end?
"fucking christ"? You're seriously being mean to Jesus rn? you should be banned indefinitely from all platforms depending on your skin color and sexual preferences!
I am disgusted by the blatant kink-shaming some of these "leftists" as engaging in. Everyone knows retaliatory twitter antagonism is Destiny's kink. SMH my head, please do better people.
Kinkphobes 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
"Du buddar, like, be buddar"
"Shaking my head my head"
@@girthpapi Yes, that's part of the joke.
@@proudtobeme1ashkente l
They really do build up Destiny’s arguments for him. If you have a history of having a trauma response during sexual encounters… don’t you think that especially means you shouldn’t be engaging in casual sex? With someone you don’t have much trust built with? C’mon.
It seems like these people want to run into these women who won't tell them no. Seems super sus.
@@SkeleTonHammer thats not the best grand slam bc saying they shouldnt have casual sex is more of a blanket term to what you said. It implies to choose your sexual partner more carefully, so basically the same exact thing you said.
Victim blamer! REEEEEEE!!!!
yes, victim blaming actually makes sense sometimes, in looking for ways in which we can reduce people getting hurt. I mean isn't the entire concept of martial arts victim blaming? Why should victims learn self defence? Just remove all violence from society innit? 😆
Hmm. I don't like just telling a person they just can't do such a common interaction w someone...because ppl should be able to engage in sexual intercourse without worrying about their partner crossing a set boundary.
That being said. That's clearly not the world we live in. I think the important point that Destiny makes w this argument is that you need to figure out why you are not able to stand up for yourself in these situations and how you can do that or just avoid those types of interactions altogether.
@@SkeleTonHammer it's not a slam dunk argument. You can't just pinpoint this type of behavior. What if she does all this, change the type of guy she usually sleeps w and it still happens w a completely different type of guy. That would even further traumatize her.
She has to learn how to speak up for herself and probably refrain from casual encounters. Honestly. Even tho casual sex is exciting, it's probably the worst kind you can have in so many ways.
19 year old has strong convictions of what society ought to do.
I look forward to seeing this guy's perspective in 10 years lol.
Right!
He's gonna end up very uncanny
My thoughts exactly
How the conversation played out, I really do look forward to hearing his perspective later on in life. He seems like a logically minded person, as he said he came from a very debate centric community. He's just young and bright-eyed, and too idealistic right now.
That guy sounded reasonable tbh
Holy Shit. He did it, Fanatiq moderated. Good job man. Keep it up. And it wasn't 9 people shouting over each other! Will wonders never cease.
I've shat on Fanatiq before but he did a good job moderating here. Props
Past tense of shit, I like it. I've said shat since I was 5 years old :D
You gotta admit he gives you content even if you hate him 🤣🤣
Hes still racist
I was shock, when i realized is Fanatiq...He did a good job
I know Fanatiq has had some rough goes of some of his recent panels, but I appreciate his attempts to create a less bloodsporty panel, and I think he's finding a better formula for it, at least as far as this panel went it felt like people were actually listening to each other.
Right, I love it when there's no pastrami on my Reuben sandwich.
The fuck is the point of a panel without bloodsports?
If I wanted to listen to people NOT yelling at each other I'd be listening to an audiobook.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorThe point is to actually accomplish something with the discussion other than pure entertainment. Not sure what's hard to understand about it. Majority of the toxic politics that exist today, exist because of the bloodsports in politics. Some people actually care about these problems and want them solved. Not all of us like just watching dick measuring contests.
@@seesharper8913 Accomplish what? It's a conversation about whether or not Destiny is allowed to be mean on Twitter.
@@seesharper8913 Don't get me wrong, the Reuben is ALSO incomplete without the bread, sauerkraut, Swiss cheese or Thousand Island dressing.... It's just that the pastrami is the part I showed up for.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor the point is to actually hear intelligent conversations and how they can be facilitated. the problem is people just copy what they hear and that includes bloodshot panels
I feel so bad for that guy who opened up the debate, you can tell he’s really nervous and kinda seems like he’s a bit torn on having to talk about this stuff to someone who’s opinion he values.
Yeah. It was really off-putting reading Destiny's chat screech about "sucking him off harder" or how retarded the panel was while listening to a guy try his best to speak earnestly. I don't watch anything live, but I really hope the chat isn't that cancerous all the time. If it's not toxic it's still cringe as fuck at the very least.
Absolutely.
I think STV did fine. I’m under the impression he doesn’t do this much not to mention man’s is probably high lol
Honestly it's probably fine and he's probably not nervous. When I speak for a long time over the phone it interrupts my breathing for some reason and I get winded. I'm sure sounds the same way, but definitely not the case.
Ya it was a lil tortuous to listen to
If being mean is ban worthy, then you're advocating that everyone Destiny has been mean to should also be banned. They aren't exactly nice to people who disagree with them.
here's what "mean" means here-dissent. as long as you're mean to the right people it's fine. Destiny was mean to the wrong peopls so he's the enemy and can be put on the shit list
@@Jo-bs2uu ...what?
@@Nazareadain i feel like I was pretty clear
@@Jo-bs2uu Truth, look a prime suspect Hasan who has been mean and rude on stream many of times, nothing. Destiny not even being mean is seen as being mean. When really somebody is too cowardly to affront their feelings better. Instead, want somebody banned instead of maybe not working with them. Yet the issue with discourse is that you NEED to run into people that you don't agree with. Since if everybody agree it isn't a debate it's a podcast.
@@ExeErdna i agree man. Let's be transparent about this though, lefty streamer types just want twitch to be a Series of lefty podcasts
I applaud these people coming out and stating their arguments or suggestions for Destiny. This was in all honesty a good faith discussion. Most of these people think the Ban is bs and were asked to come out with reasons as to why destiny was banned and what to change.
It's a shame that most of the arguments end up boiling down to, don't generalise and be nicer. I don't disagree with a lot of this, but the only way you end up thinking Destiny is transphobic/racist/sexist/rapist is if you don't have any good faith. The sad truth is that more people are unfortunately idiots. :(
TBC not the people in the debate. Just most people.
Destiny even points out in this discussion it doesn't even have to be bad faith, at least when it comes to most individuals criticizing him. To your point, the original, out-of-context lies told about him are what's bad faith, pushed by a handful of people. Their ignorant allies ultimately accept the lies as fact and Destiny becomes the target of their ire. A discussion like this exposes the whole thing quite well.
The most surprising take IMO was Vaush's. Maybe he came out with a later take that was harsher, but his initial take was like "I don't want to comment without knowing what it was for" and "The science on trans women in sports is unclear, but we should let them anyways". This is _worlds_ apart from his normal preference to just play into the Destiny sucks game, as well as his previous position which was that trans women in sports was practically settled science. Kinda read to me like he might even agree with Destiny but couldn't possibly take that position publicly.
@@albertjohnston1026 that’s still such a ridiculous take from Vaush. If the science is unclear, which it’s not, why would we then just decide to let trans women compete if we don’t even know if they have an advantage or not. The normal rational position would be to wait until the science was clear to amend the current structure of women’s sports.
And I just do not understand how you could possibly look at the science on this issue and come to the conclusion that the results are unclear. There’s not many instances where the science is more clear really. You don’t even really need scientific studies to know this but they are just the nail in the coffin. These people let their emotions dictate so many of their opinions.
The Soy kid was endearing even if I didn't agree with him at all, I can respect someone who can be honest about their performance and admit when they lost. Hopefully he won't join the camp of the crazies in the future.
I really do hope that the crazies don't corrupt him into being an unironic soy boi. He really was trying to be as good faith as possible.
Yeah pretty brave honestly to come in at age 19.. Destiny's comment on his age wasn't even too patronizing. There's a difference in experience that comes with age that you can't really compensate for even if you're reasonably intelligent.
@@itsreallyhotinmyroom Fair point, but I don't think that was Destiny's intention. He asks a lot of young people that question cuz some of them don't know what the internet was really like in the gamer bro days of pre-2015. He just wants to gage their perspective and then tell them that the internet like most parts of society has gotten better instead of worse. We can always strive to do better, but you can't say that we've regressed over the years when we've done nothing, but progress.
dude unironically has the nickname soy
he is clearly already insane
I get the Katee girl is trying to be reasonable but its to the point of invoking the enlightened centrist meme. She tries to ground Destiny's clams to be more "fair" when the actual situations or facts of the matter aren't compromisable.
An example is when she argued "Don't you think after the trans-debate stuff you talked about on Prime Cayes might make some people come away thinking you could be transphobic"
Destiny replies "No one would think this unless they think you have to unquestionably support trans people all the time"
Katee scoffs and says "You know thats not..." I assume she was going to say what I'm saying.
When that is the actual argument being thrown at Destiny, like when he quotes VivanWolf saying "Questioning the voracity of Trans Athletes is transphobic"
But Katee assumes most of the criticism thrown at Destiny comes from this hyper rational, nuanced, and hyper-specific perspective she's using, when that's actually a mischaracterization of the criticisms people give him. No one who actually engages with Destiny's material thinks this, and its catering to people who would never care to actually investigate. She's being so charatiable to the other side she is outright misrepresents what they believe, giving them more cover than they deserve and its frustrating to listen to.
Example to the example and context is 1:00:29
August, I hope you’re living comfortably because you put out amazing work!
I just wanna say that the first dude, don’t even know his name, did a fantastic job for someone who seemed to be incredibly nervous to talk to Destiny. Good for him.
The Philly guy? Ya he was cool
Actual logic coming from that guy, compared to the 19 year old who want's to ban all people indefinitely for saying mean shit about Adolf Hitler
Is this just a "I don't like how Destiny behaves panel"?, the same thing we've seen over and over?
Edit: It is and Soy turns up his mic when he decides to 'assert himself' and say that mean = ban
He got big mad after saying his mantra is to stop getting mad
It's called a struggle session. Comrade, it is time for us to air out our grievances.
You do not twist the top on the liquids in the fridge tight enough
Soy is 19 and very passive aggressive with a mindset that is alien. It's super focused on coddling
Now I know why people called him soy. He’s literally king of the betas
@@connor4169 and you'd be eating his ass a power bottom. how do you call someone out like this while being completely oblivious to how you come across as worse?
This Soy guy is the most contradictory performer I've seen in a long time. The amount of times he can barely get a sentence out "asserting himself" before he corrects himself, apologizes for his word choice/hyperbole, or just backs down is hilarious to watch. He's a Nice Guy attempting to live his nonsensical morals and simultaneously realizing how impossible it is every moment he tries to speak.
Couldn't have said it better
“Why ya gotta be so mean?” -Taylor Swift
(also this soy guy)
Adding to that, it's just annoying when someone spends so much of everybody's time on openly telegraphing into the room how he's going to say something or apologizing for it instead of just getting to the point. All of it seemed too performative and then he had to take back half the stuff he said. It was a bad caricature of a guy who wants to be taken seriously.
Like one of the other panelists said, if you want to fight your image of being soy, saying you are going to be assertive is the soyest thing you could say.
what do u expect, hes a degenerate weeb vtuber
Lol. Sure, he's goofily contradictory, but on the flipside there's you guys unironically caring about a third party's level of "soy", so in this human centipede of a hierarchy you've invented, why are you pretending like you wouldn't eat shit?
Why is it that the expectations of conduct and sensitivity around language only apply one way? That the same people who want to be treated with a level of respect are the first ones to find labels and insults to sling in the other direction? The way to get respect is to offer it, not to demand it.
The future is fucked, this panel was pretty much saying if you don't preach what I believe you should be banned
You can really tell some people have never actually been socially ostracized or bullied.
@@semperk1482 Only a true scandinavian has completely avoided being bullied.
How is anyone still talking about this tweet and why would so many random opinions matter... I just can't imagine being this sensitive over literally everything all the time.
Exactly. The actual arguments don't matter any more. It is all about optics.
Just like streamers used to (and continue to) farm LSF for viewers, small debate channels have dedicated themselves to putting Destiny's name in their mouths 24/7. How else are they gonna get put in front of an audience of people? It's a huge marketing opportunity--i'm surprised he doesn't make these people pay to debate him lol
@@RanEncounter Always has been.
Destiny should do more of "reverse the gender game". If you tell this people same story with reversed genders you would see them chnage their mind instantly. Sometimes is even better to tell equvivalent story. For example, if guy says he in past 2 months had seggs with 4 woman and they are stole something from him, every single person would make same points as Destiny says. They would be saying: you are cleraly pincking very bad woman, not all woman are like that; it would be better to show man how to pick good woman instead of just shouting "WOMAN SHOULD STOP STEALING"; he should not engage in casual seggs if that happens often because it is very rare situation etc etc
You can, you're doing it now.
Soy-section was waaaaay out of his league in this panel. he's still a child compared to the other panelists. He's too emotional and bases a lot of his takes on emotions like destiny being "mean". Soy at this point in his life is like Destiny when he was a libertarian, he hasn't had the life experience to understand perspective and real problems. He was the only panelist that could not relate to the xbox live analogy because he's too young to understand.
I kinda respect him for coming on the show, but like.... in the same way I respect the generic henchmen in a batman cartoon.
I mean...given he's alongside a girl that can't participate in a conversation without asking permission to ask a question everytime, I thought we were just normalizing bringing children into Fanatiq's panels. It would explain why his format caters to kids.
I don’t think it’s because he is too young… he is too soy.
We need a panel of evidence cuz at this point I just wanna see people with screenshots and threads of ALL these tweets and harassment/brigading claims
Listening through this conversation, the basic takeaway is some people really enjoy opportunities to dictate authority over others and some people see that power as dangerous. Hating and shunning people who I consider to be hateful, is also an act of hate. It's just considered to be a justified act of hate against another. There is no way to ever eliminate this scenario from the world. Whomever strives for the elimination of all hate, lives in a fantasy world.
And what's the appropriate amount of hate elimination I should hope to strive for? Just taking notes.
@@Nazareadain Far too big of a topic for a youtube reply. Super-short version, if someone believes rising to a position of power to ban people off platforms for opinions will eliminates hate from the world, you're looking at the world in a wrong way. History has demonstrated time and time again centralizing authority and censorship is one of the fastest ways to create hate within societies over the long term.
This is mean to whomever believes that, Soy would ban you indefinitely from all platforms.
Glad to see August working hard to help make up for $$ losses from the twitch ban. Hopefully YT will be better for destiny in the long-run. & kudos to Fanatiq for better moderation. He took feedback & is improving 👏🏻 💞
I should thank my boss for firing me so I have enough time to watch all of this sweet sweet destiny content
You sir are living the communist dream!
I'm amazed at the out of body experience STVPhilly is experiencing at the 1:02:30 mark, that facial expression is worth a thousand words.
You know, for the most part I don''t look at chat, but the sheer amount of quotes from the debate had me reflexively checking chat and they made me die with laughter every goddamn time. One of of my favorites is Soy "asserting" themselves because they had been rolled for too long. Chat instantly full of Wojaks clapping in response,
"Go off king!"
"Yass assertive!"
"omg so brave!"
DGGers are the funniest self-aware people I've come across lmao (not a cult btw)
I just want to say that, as a black person, Destiny has never offended me with his language. I do not agree with 100% of his takes regarding race and society (maybe 95% of them) but he’s never offended me with racially insensitive language. I don’t agree with that critique at all.
Preach
Same.
Same.
He deadass says people should be banned for being too mean 😭😭 He can't admit he didn't think it through and sticks to his horrible take
This would all make sense if the setting was a preschool.
@@onionfarmer3044 imagine a little Steven Bonell running around calling other pre-k'ers "subhuman" or other classics omfg that would be hilarious
He’s an inexperienced 19, and it’s painfully obvious.
just started the video but why wouldn’t people be banned for being too mean? are you being serious? cultivating a toxic and hostile environment, or promoting harassment should obviously justify a ban on any serious platform.
@@deep_and_profound_topics being "mean" is different than being toxic and harrassing. In politics you have to be mean sometimes to idiots who spew bullshit and lies? is that wrong, no.
mean =/= uncalled for
my god the amount of people that are oversensitive is insane. I dont agree with every position destiny has but he def has alot of patience. Cant believe some individuals are pretty much saying you cant be mean on social platforms... mix that in with double standards and labeling any opposition (even if its a good argument) as "toxic" or "hate" is just a recipe for disaster.
I don't agree with Destiny on basically anything but you're right he has the patience of a saint.
Idk how he could sit through over an hour of these spergs bitching about him being mean.
@@kylemoore687 One day somebody will introduce you to the concept of confidence. One day.
This the same people going off on "Being nice is the baseline not the exception" like who raised y'all that you flinch the moment somebody speaks confidently and checks people's bad ideas? How can they legit preach being "nice" when they really don't care about niceness until they're feelings are hurt?
@@Nazareadain
What did I say to make you think I would need to be introduced to the concept of confidence?
Surprised it’s actually a good faith attempt to understand “controversial” points like “if a girl can’t assert her boundaries during sex then perhaps she should hold off on casual sex till she can.” Progress
I still don't understand how that is a controversial point
@@deadzoneternity They want sympathy or support, not logical conclusions.
I have had similar conversations with a female friend. She disagreed with me so hard, told me I'm a victim blamer, yada yada.
So i asked her: well what's the correct answer then? Pointed out the flaws with her solution to it (she wanted to put people in jail for being ACCUSED of rape at that point), and that people need to take responsibility for themselves.
People want the cake and eat it too
My point is eat the cake if you want, but just know that you may get fat from it.
People are so brainwashed that they don't even understand or want to accept the fact that sex with a stranger is an activity with risk involved.
@@karsten9387 People usually aren't logical after a traumatic situation lmfao. Gotta have the ability to know when to say shit man
@@karsten9387 I'm a woman and you (and Destiny) are absolutely right about this. People are responsible for their decisions.
Sometimes people are victimized and there's nothing they can do about it. That sucks.
However, if you keep choosing to engage in behaviours that put you in danger, and you're not prepared to deal with the consequences, it's time to figure out why you're doing it to yourself and change it.
But what if she gives any push back for any reason and the man pulls out an M16 and starts blowing out her kneecaps.
Sorry since I'm from America and we have guns this is a real possibility that everyone has to consider and already happens anywhere from 1000 to 2000 times a day.
The Gen Z kids really haven't seen what true suffering looks like. So many of them are stuck on this "speech is violence" idea.
I mean that’s a good thing
Hitler didn't steamroll most of EU using only speech
@@nihanthpinnaka2304 no, it isn't. There 8s plenty of suffering in this world that you can be informed about and use it to ground yourself in reality. If you truly think speech hits that level, you are quite privileged and uninformed with no sense of reality. You live in a bubble isolated from the real world in that case.
@@PlanetJeroen You don't think you can mentally destroy people with just words? Then you are the privileged one with no sense of reality.
@@PlanetJeroen I say give it a year after country goes into stagflation or recession they'll have something else to be scared of other than imaginary internet bullies "causing harm"
"I don't know why we're nitpicking."
Destiny: "Nitpick away. That's the point of this panel."
I aspire to be as calm and open to listening as Destiny is when being criticized by 4 people at once.
Thank you for uploading. Was almost alone with my thoughts
Me being happy for another panel then instantly got sad when i heard it was a fanatiq panel
real shit
I have 26mins left and I think he was as good as he possibly could have been here. 100% different than the last one.
This is destinys fault, if he would just soy the fuck up we could watch better panels
Was a good discussion tbh, don't really get the objection
@@thenayancat8802 this is a brand new fanatiq. If this was a b+ moderation grade the best he’s gotten in the past is D-
If he keeps this up for even just another panel or two you won’t see these negative comments. It’s criticism of previous action basically.
If there's any silver lining to Destiny's twitch ban it's the increased content uploads on TH-cam.
anyone who thinks they do a "net good" by posting on twitter is delusional
Underrated truth
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STV Philly was high as fuck the whole panel, it's honestly amazing that he could keep up with the conversation
Endless content while I work. Thank you August!
Explains position *PERFECTLY* "bUt ThAtS nOt WhAt YoU sAiD" YES IT FUCKING IS!!!! OPEN YOUR EARS!!!
Shoutout to the nascence of section, soyction whatever. Buddy displays some impressively rare self-awareness in closing statement to hold the L with head high, and the air of determination to learn from mistakes. Rooting for his ascent 📈🚀
Doesn't want blood sports, but also gets Destiny riled up with casual N bombs. When will he learn?
This panel was significantly less dusty than previous panels. Well done, Fanatiq.
Credit where credit is due: he's getting better at hosting panels.
I do love that destiny is open to having these types of conversations, most people wouldn’t be
Shout out to STV. A panelist who wants to have an actual discussion instead of screeching at Destiny.
This was a good conversation. Everyone participated in the conversation. There is no toxicity because this is not a debate, but a conversation. I hope there are more conversations and that fanatiq can conduct the conversation. Conversation
The "degenerate" comment is like the perfect example of why this entire situation is built upon lies. No one in this panel reacted when the online activist trans communiuty was called degenerate but Destiny's descriptor of subhuman was not okay? Exactly the same situation but he's held to a different standard.
"can we not talk about people like this"
no, mock and ridicule shitty ideas. the world isnt all rainbows and butterflies and it shouldnt be
I think it's a read the room situation. It's a question of what's the goal. If the goal is to impact people's behavior, then mocking and ridiculing and being inflammatory may or may not be the best way to do that depending on the audience. However, if your goal is just to fuck around and kick a hive, go for it.
@@depletable But there's obviously a middle ground between using carefully crafted maximally pc language with 40 caveats on any statement and being as aggressively hyperbolic as possible. If going through a rolodex of the most pointed insults possible to hurt people is part of your core philosophy, then I mean, idk what to tell you.
To be clear, I don't think destiny does fall on either extreme, he's also in the middle. And also note, I don't think being maximally PC is the most effective way to change people's behavior either. It does come off as disingenuous and virtue signally. However, with all the talking heads we love so much having the pretense of trying to convince other people to modify their behavior or beliefs, it seems like it would be in their best interest to use the language that is most effective in a given situation/audience. If you literally just don't care at all what/how people perceive what's being said and just like being in the space to say things and fight for the sake of fighting, that's fine too. That's what I described as kicking the hive. Just be honest with the intent.
@@depletable yeah, I really don't think we disagree overall. My main contention wasn't with the way destiny interacts with people, but more the person I replied to. Their statement has an energy more like the "I'm a boss bitch" persona a lot of people use as a shield to justify being an asshole. Or your Dr. House types.
"The world isn't all rainbows," while true, isn't a constructive way to have conversations. Again, specifically if your goal is to convince people to change their behavior. People aren't entitled to have you not offend them. But the more you can mitigate that while not compromising your position to do so, the more effective of a communicator you'll be. You have a right to offend people, but being needlessly offensive (double bold and highlight on needlessly) is counter productive.
There really needs to be better online guidelines for attacking people like destiny. Links or clips of actual things someone said or did instead of summaries should be required. Look forward to watching this tomorrow ✌️
The problem with that idea is all these panels would be empty.
@@mrhaast5053 XD lmao too true. It seems 80% of content from many of them is generally content without merit. Instead of trying to improve their game most of them would rather attack people who are willing to do real homework and seek truth regardless of emotions.
IDK what you're talking about. I learned to cite 3 sources and that "Wikipedia doesn't count as a source" in like 8th grade.
Here's the problem with STVPhilly's claim that black people were discriminated against in sports for the same reasons. That is absolutely false.
Black people were discriminated against in sports because they were considered inferior. Obviously, they proved that idea false pretty quickly. Trans people's participation in women's sports is being questioned because they are clearly superior.
Trans people aren't being barred from participating in sports. They can play in men's sports whenever they want.
If the difference between men and women is as negligible as these people claim, then playing men's sports should be an obvious solution.
Keep up the good work August :)
Why does everyone make a claim & then immediately walk it back when they get pushed on it. Is this really the direction of online discourse?
For real though, accusation after accusation walked back immediately after Steven says one sentence. These people are fucking rabid, but cloaked in soy.
Always has been.
Extremely salient critique of destiny: you can’t act like a different person/use hyper inflammatory rhetoric on Twitter in order to farm content for stream and then when you get to stream, you expect to have a nuanced, respectful discussion. What’s worse is that destiny then complains about the state of discourse online, when he is an essential part of that rotten discourse.
this as a destiny fan I agree with
I've never used Twitter, why can't you have a different persona for a stupid shitposting account?
Most of these panels make me want to videogame myself but this roster of panelists was surprisingly engaging and cool to listen to, with pretty unique perspectives, good faiths, even honest admissions of being wrong.
wait, is this a reupload? havent we had this exact same conversation with the exact same talking points like 10 times already? is there a factory that produces humans to debate destiny on this exact same stealthing tweet immediately when they come off the conveyor belt?
@23:00 'a platform has a responsibility to ban things that are inflammatory'. To who? because inflammatory is subjective. Call it a hunch, but I'd bet this person doesn't care about banning things that are inflammatory to a devout Catholic. So basically this person is saying, 'I think platforms have a responsibility to ban opinions I don't like'. These people are insufferable, narcissistic, children.
Tbh for soyction to be 19 and put that young pride aside and say "I'm wrong" around 36:00 I had some respect for that
I can't believe the bar is this low.
But the bar is this low.
@@Nazareadain im 17 from greece and only in america is the bar that ridiculously low
As a right winger who watches destiny out of respect it's wild that the first guy argument is "I don't like how destiny behaves on twitter"
I'm always quite impressed to see that Destiny is able to have these heady conversations while playing video games.
@1:29:30 yeah setting a threshold doesn't "necessarily" mean the threshold will just arbitrarily change, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO principled standard he is using to define "mean". He even says this "I don't have a formula we draw these ARBITRARY distinctions like this fairly frequently". So from his OWN words, the threshold ABSOLUTELY will change. If he can't give a precise line then the slippery slope is NOT a fallacy, it is the reality! What prevents the slippery slope from being illogical is the existence of hard standards, hard lines. "That is mean" is NOT a hard standard!
I wish that Steven had brought this back around to the actual harm of lefties infighting when spicy Twitter takes are 2000th down on the list of priorities. This type of prioritization breeds idiots like the Steven Crowder vs Steven debate, breeds echocucks like Hasan, prevents real progress. Find who smeared destiny in the campaigning arc and rectify that, because it's sad that any real progress gets weighed down by a spicy quote.
Please. August. If you aren’t doing the OG Intro jingle ever again. Please just…. Go back to the old thumbnails. PLEASE. I WANT TO RIP MY EYES OUT
I'll tell you why Destiny was banned from Twitch. The mods got their fefes hurt when he disagreed with them and decided to share his opinion.
That was actually a really nice panel. I enjoy those way more than the crazy 15 people screaming at each other and half of them just escaped the mental hospital panels.
I agree with destiny's take on the online trans activists. It's all Identity Politics with all the talking points and arguments, even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying, because it's all based on a narrative. A while back, I watched a Contrapoints video where she debated a Terf Character she created and she actually lost against her strawman.
Do you watch adam and stich?
Then you only listened to points that alreadya gree with you and ran with them... most of the transphobia that people think 'surr hurr its a moderate/centrist' is just based on pure ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject, them beliving your ignorance has to be taken on the same level as research and live experiences from those of us who know.
Strawmaning is a logical fallacy for a reason, then people still buy into them because its the easiest, lasiest thing to do
@@humpyloaddart I watch them every now and then, not very often.
Why do I get the feeling there's a generous amount of interpretation involved in the "losing" part of that statement? oh, right: "even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying" #humblebrag #weirdflex #sayyouresmartwithoutsayingyouresmart
Even with my layman's understanding, I too can enjoy a good round of intellectual autofellatio.
Really enjoyed the convo, would like to talk again if I get the chance :D
It is BEYOND clear that you cannot talk about trans issues if you aren’t speaking overwhelming support for anything they think or want to do…
Any whiff of a disagreement automatically makes you a transphobe or intolerant even when you are presenting a nuanced opinion
And the unassailable statement TWAW cuts straight to the heart of that. If you're not willing to deny material reality, you hate trans people and want them deed.
I love the start showing how much prep Fanatiq has indeed put into this:
"I've taken time to carefully speak to each of you. Riz-ome (however you pronounce your name)..." don't you think that might be one of the things to find from those pre-talk conversations? :D
Not if they are text
@@PlanetJeroen Generally I think it's respectable for a person to pronounce words wrong which they use correctly - it means they learned it by reading.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor not sure when that word is a name. I would add at least a zoom meeting or alike ahead of time to cover the things that can get lost in text only, like pronunciation and voice tonality for the audio tech that has make it all sound similar.. so yah, missed opportunity more than respectable imho.
@@PlanetJeroen I said "generally"
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I said "when"
Anyone know approximately what % of Destiny's revenue came from Twitch? I'm a fan but I basically just watch his YT clips.
Hard to say. I feel like he would have a consistent 2-3k viewers on Twitch. Most viewers on dgg would opt for the TH-cam player I think because embedded Twitch would blackout after a few hours. But it was definitely a significant percentage of his total income.
@@bird6472 I think he said that originally it was a majority, but since TH-cam has been doing well it turned into like 10(ish) percent of his income? I forget which video it was in. Maybe it was an off-hand comment during a stream I saw in a Vod?
he mention that his annual total income was around 500k~800k..so maybe around 10~20% was from twitch
@@uszpdoz yo are you fr he makes 500-800k a year? Bro he has to be on the cusp of being able to retire completely if he wanted to. He doesn't have to give af about anything anyone thinks at that point he's got f you money haha
@@K0sm1cKid I mean he already said he's rich lol, I think at this point his saving is almost enough for his son retirement fund too.
I love how civil this was. Even Section having a naive take was very good faith - what a lad.
People were kinda too harsh on the Soy guy imo, he's defending some pretty silly positions but he's clearly a pretty nice and smart kid
My man Fanatiq dropping the N-slur like he’s Vaush over here.
Hot take: Vtubers in debates is cringe.
Would you say that about destiny's vtuber avatar too? 🤔
fits the format, then.
The quality of content recently... I'm wondering if August is an AI bot... Getting better and better at such an incredible rate 😮👌
GODSTINY Humans are the original AI GODSTINY
I once opened a civil engineeering textbook to a random page it was just a picture of destiny captioned "example of a structurally sound frame that can be built upon"
I think destiny and soy should have a one on one discussion
I too enjoy Human Sacrifice.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor loool
48:55
The heavy sigh here is very telling, oh no, she has to remember who said something before accusing Destiny of it, the horror, the horror!
I really enjoyed this panel. Solid discussion, good faith push-back with genuine attempts to respond to destiny with reasonable arguments and fnatic managing the panel exceptionally well for a change. All around really positive, and I'd like to see more like this moving forward.
The first guy makes literally no sense, saying "Maybe you should just pick your partner even better" is literally an example of victim blaming lmao
why is katee here?
spouting the 2016 feminist narrative
The blonde is a professional victim
This is one of Fanatiq's best conversations. Civil, made ground, and moved the needle.
Literally I haven't heard a good take against on his stealthing position yet.
I haven’t either. If you keep doing something that’s negatively affecting you, you really should stop and figure out why. I really don’t understand why people are so up in arms about that. It makes no sense to me at all
The only logic I can see is if you're a misogynistic and think women are children. Then you would have a good counter in that context to his argument.
i mean destiny is acting like anyone takes issue with his general promotion of personal responsibility wrt sex. of course one should be able to express boundaries w sexual partners-and if they can’t, they should refrain from casual sex.
that’s not really the concern here. that’s the kind of advice you give to someone who can’t speak up when they’re uncomfortable with their partner, say, spontaneously choking them, or pulling their hair.
stealthing is a direct transgression of an established boundary. when you begin sex wearing a condom, there is the implicit agreement that it remains on until completion (obviously), and so a stealthing situation is akin to specifying with a partner: “don’t choke me,” and having them choke you regardless. there are rules outlining a consensual, sexual interaction and those rules are deliberately broken.
it’s not really difficult to understand how this would make a considerably smaller and weaker sexual partner feel unsafe speaking up, and it’s extremely stupid of destiny to pretend the onus is on the woman to simply “pick better” in these circumstances.
@@deep_and_profound_topics The point is to express the boundary. If from there, the person still ignores that, then that is not the fault of anyone but that person. I think the point is to just have the standard of speaking up because that can reduce the chance of a person being raped.
@@idkhbtfmandnowimsad994 my point is that the boundary is implicitly expressed. when someone removes a condom midway through sex it represents the transgression of an already established boundary, not a miscommunication of boundaries.
45:55 I personally don't really care about what Destiny says on Twitter, but I think even he would agree that "appearing to be a good person" is arguably more important than "being a good person" if most of your influence comes from the internet, as Destiny's does. It's the entire reason telling jokes in private vs public is even an argument he's made many times. Whether or not he's good to people privately seems pretty irrelevant to this topic.
Yea, appearing to be a good person can help people get behind whatever you're saying more easily. You need both to provide good change.
If you only appear to be good, then you can lead a bunch of people down a horrible cause.
And if you're good, but not seen that way by the majority of people, you'll only get a small minority of people to get behind what you're saying.
@@WanderTheNomad True, I don't think being good is literally irrelevant, just in the context of this topic. Those on the panel all said they didn't think he was transphobic, so him being good wasn't so much of the point as him having a good influence.
@@chaucerianfraud6767 I actually agree, but I'm using it in the sense of having a habit of behaviors we generally understand as "good" over simply saying "good" things.
He needs "Evil Omniliberal" and "Good Omniliberal" accounts
Appearing to be good without being good is actually a really bad thing. If you aren't a "good person" I want to know about it
Great content. Second-best TH-camr after Rm Brown. Keep at it.
It seems like the only thing that can be a fair criticism is that Twitter might not be the best platform to do edgy comments/responses, even if completely justified, as 280 character bursts doesn't lend well to nuance or productive conversations. When Destiny explains his tweets in a conversation or debate, he seems to be able to convince anyone engaging in good faith that even if the tweet was inflammatory, he had a very good point and/or that the tweet wasn't that bad to begin with.
This all started with that Actual Jake debate. Destiny should have heeded his warning and stopped being a big mean poopie head.
please dont invite or argue with teenagers... so annoying to listen to. that guy didn't have any clue about anything. Got corrected of almost everything he said by everybody in the call, because it was nonsense all in all. teenager do not know anything about the world, he just left high school and thinks he understands the world.
and as a teenager, you should know.
The amount of sensitivity and the lack of the real world they’re not in, is f*+king mind blowing 🤯
Holy shit, Soy admitted the WHOLE thing. "Destiny's not actually racist or transphobic, we just have to invent reality to say that hes mean and we dont like it"
He was just unironically honest with every dumb criticism and when everyone on the panel got confrunted they basically said Soy is stupid. Thats literally EVERYBODY'S distilled opinion that opposed the child tweet- they just want to believe somehow its deeper than that.
Edit: I actually think now hes a mole planted by Destiny to show how stupid this argument is taken to the enth degree, but from a mouth that isnt his.
This soy meanness arc was an unbelievable waste of time. I feel like it just ate up so much time from more relevant discussion…
yeah lol, dude's basically saying we have a moral obligation not to get angry
i dont get people with those avatars... maybe im just a boomer. I think either show your face or have a static logo or a black screen .
@@Healcraft yes. Same. I’m 42