Three snaps! Good stuff. Please have a public discourse with Ben S and Dave McK at TU and Why Left? on this topic as it has the potential to help develop TU’s theory of Post-Class Fractured Mass with more fine grain. Love this
"The industrial proletariat ... didn't become the dominant form of proletariat/labour" Do you just mean like, raw numbers/ratios of what workers do today, where industrial proletariat are still a minority? Or do they actually make up a smaller chunk of the productive capacity in western/imperial/advanced/whatever-you-want-to-call-them countries?
@VarnVlog doesnt the concentration of a smaller quantity of workers in fewer sites of production mean that each industrial worker has their hand on the lever of a greater proportion of value?
43:03 the reasons we had a mass shift left is because in the midst of crisis Bernie offered a political conduit for action. His program was not defeated on the grounds of theory, it was defeated politically. The working class didnt become convinced that "social democracy" was bad. Basic economics-based class-centric, social democracy was destroyed by Democratic Party manuevres and anti-woke backlash. We on the left can address the Dems but wont admit the appeal of Trump. Considering that the appeal of Trump increased over the 12 years since Bernie dominated the political scene, our refusal to learn from the absurdities of the woke era is unforgivable. The left needs to figure out why it sacrificed something like Medicare for All to make things like trans rights or the hyperbolic claims of BLM the non-negotiables at a critical political moment. There was no "trans genocide" and white supremacy doesnt define the USA of this era. The woke analysis was weak, the demogogery powerful, the doxxing and street violence scary. The working class (at least the part of it that is stable and literate enough to vote) doesnt want to sacrifice sanity or freedom for milktoast economic reforms and is right not to trust a left that demands this devil's bargain of them.
The claims of BLM were not hyperbolic though. They were based on what actually happens. White supremacy is still pretty strong in he USA, although its meaningless to mention that without a class analysis. We disproportionately ghettoize and terrorize black people with state violence. Thats a sad fact When you mention scary street violence, you must be referring to the everyday violence of the cops, as well as the repression of protests, right? Like the NYPD driving a vehicle into a crowd.Or perhaps to right-wing political violence, which constitutes the majority of political violence in the US. The death of Heather Heyer. Scary stuff, right? Way scarier than those scary scary black people or frightening trans people lol. that Honestly anti woke demagoguery and anti trans demagoguery are far more absurd. Most people cant even define "woke" other than in vague terms.
@@aussieboy4090 that is a tough one-in the us police unions do a lot more than protect rights, they legally insulate. They are however the second largest union sector. On reform I pondered was a government workers union that police could join with first responders and other municipal workers but would have no incentive to protect police from responsibility for their actions against the public. But I am not sure this is a good answer
@@VarnVlog an older lefty friend of mine made a rather flippant comment regarding police unions coming from guilds and not having developed in the same way as other unions. i didn't ask him to go further but i was wondering if you would devote a video to how different unions have developed and subsequently how they function differently.
@@fromafricaicame5909I would to know if police unions might have supported some reforms to policing that have benefitted the broader working class. At Occupy, I half heartedly agitated some police about their working conditions and and got some agreement from them that their job would be more enjoyable if there were less pressure on them from management to harass people or enforce petty offenses. I imagine their unions push for safety measures that make oppressive policing more difficult.
Oh, did you delete your 4-hour response to me lol? I wonder what it said. "Delusional" as if you've ever sketched out a theory of what would help & why you do what you do. Oh I'm sorry is it buried in some video that's impossible to find because you don't just write a book of your own ideas, and why is that? Keep the tailing up, I know you have the spirit. That's why I push you. Do stuff on materialism and skepticism. "No" *does it a week later* lol
Three snaps! Good stuff. Please have a public discourse with Ben S and Dave McK at TU and Why Left? on this topic as it has the potential to help develop TU’s theory of Post-Class Fractured Mass with more fine grain. Love this
great vid!
"The industrial proletariat ... didn't become the dominant form of proletariat/labour" Do you just mean like, raw numbers/ratios of what workers do today, where industrial proletariat are still a minority? Or do they actually make up a smaller chunk of the productive capacity in western/imperial/advanced/whatever-you-want-to-call-them countries?
@@10094926 both, and they aren’t growing in the developing world either. Automation decreases socially necessary labor time.
@VarnVlog doesnt the concentration of a smaller quantity of workers in fewer sites of production mean that each industrial worker has their hand on the lever of a greater proportion of value?
43:03 the reasons we had a mass shift left is because in the midst of crisis Bernie offered a political conduit for action. His program was not defeated on the grounds of theory, it was defeated politically. The working class didnt become convinced that "social democracy" was bad. Basic economics-based class-centric, social democracy was destroyed by Democratic Party manuevres and anti-woke backlash.
We on the left can address the Dems but wont admit the appeal of Trump. Considering that the appeal of Trump increased over the 12 years since Bernie dominated the political scene, our refusal to learn from the absurdities of the woke era is unforgivable.
The left needs to figure out why it sacrificed something like Medicare for All to make things like trans rights or the hyperbolic claims of BLM the non-negotiables at a critical political moment. There was no "trans genocide" and white supremacy doesnt define the USA of this era. The woke analysis was weak, the demogogery powerful, the doxxing and street violence scary. The working class (at least the part of it that is stable and literate enough to vote) doesnt want to sacrifice sanity or freedom for milktoast economic reforms and is right not to trust a left that demands this devil's bargain of them.
The claims of BLM were not hyperbolic though. They were based on what actually happens. White supremacy is still pretty strong in he USA, although its meaningless to mention that without a class analysis. We disproportionately ghettoize and terrorize black people with state violence. Thats a sad fact
When you mention scary street violence, you must be referring to the everyday violence of the cops, as well as the repression of protests, right? Like the NYPD driving a vehicle into a crowd.Or perhaps to right-wing political violence, which constitutes the majority of political violence in the US. The death of Heather Heyer. Scary stuff, right? Way scarier than those scary scary black people or frightening trans people lol. that Honestly anti woke demagoguery and anti trans demagoguery are far more absurd. Most people cant even define "woke" other than in vague terms.
What's your opinion on police unions?
@@aussieboy4090 that is a tough one-in the us police unions do a lot more than protect rights, they legally insulate. They are however the second largest union sector. On reform I pondered was a government workers union that police could join with first responders and other municipal workers but would have no incentive to protect police from responsibility for their actions against the public. But I am not sure this is a good answer
I take the panthers/ bla position that pokice unions in the usa allow the police to do counterinsurgent work effectively
@@VarnVlog an older lefty friend of mine made a rather flippant comment regarding police unions coming from guilds and not having developed in the same way as other unions. i didn't ask him to go further but i was wondering if you would devote a video to how different unions have developed and subsequently how they function differently.
@@fromafricaicame5909I would to know if police unions might have supported some reforms to policing that have benefitted the broader working class. At Occupy, I half heartedly agitated some police about their working conditions and and got some agreement from them that their job would be more enjoyable if there were less pressure on them from management to harass people or enforce petty offenses. I imagine their unions push for safety measures that make oppressive policing more difficult.
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Oh, did you delete your 4-hour response to me lol? I wonder what it said.
"Delusional" as if you've ever sketched out a theory of what would help & why you do what you do. Oh I'm sorry is it buried in some video that's impossible to find because you don't just write a book of your own ideas, and why is that?
Keep the tailing up, I know you have the spirit. That's why I push you. Do stuff on materialism and skepticism. "No" *does it a week later* lol
I recorded this two months ago, you will notice I have a beard in this video
Grow up dude.