Yes, You, consciousness, maintains access to your individual focus of consciousness, within consciousness. You are just more fully aware of the dynamics at play.
Individuality suggests retention of ego. Surrender of ego is enlightenment. After Realisation, the person if alive (embodied) is Jivan-muktha . This appearance is for others who are embodied. Realised soul is generally oblivious to all this. Footnote: All souls are self realised, but they are not aware of it, as their attention is focussed externally.
Surrender of ego is not enlightenment. Who said that surrender of ego is enlightenment? Do you think enlightenment can be define in one sentence? Enlightenment is not that simple it's highly complicated phenomena. Only enlightened person can feels what is enlightenment. And who are enlightened will not shares how enlightenment feels like if they share that how enlightenment feels like those are big fools and they are not enlightened. Enlightened masters can show the way but they will not share how enlightenment will feels like at any costs. People who are not enlightened and try to explain enlightenment are big fools in my sense.
@@sampoornamkannan Indeed, the better word for the cryptic word enlightenment is self realisation, realisation of one's true nature, realisation of the falsity of the ego and the persona.
@@sampoornamkannan you retain the localization of senses, you still see with eyes. Your eyes do not disappear. But, …, as an aware/enlightened/?, localization of consciousness (creator, no word to describe, many words to attempt to name…), this may occur. Realizing that, As a representation of the creator, as all are within creation, you become “aware”, that, as a representation of the creator, your part to play in the world matters, as you are the world, that you represent and live in, always. So, make it better for all, now, and, for when you return, but you never leave. You cant leave, and why would you. Your neighbour is, your self, who better to live by and with, heaven comes to mind. . Prior to enlightenment, some people act like lost souls and, well, do what, lost souls do. Insert some things people do, that you may know, that does not seem right. Note - surrender of ego is ego death, sometimes temporary, rarely permanent, and is an entirely different topic , one for talk shows and book sellers. Even angels have such discussions, but no fights allowed, eternity is longer than most could ever imagine, at least in this world. ….
You can be enlightent and still have an ego As most people right now are enlightent without knowing it But you can have seen and realized all 3 stages he describes, becouse i know from my own experience 😄🩵 God, i even still have doubt coming up if i am enlightent or not - but they just havent been transmutted/transformered fully yet - they are part of the drop, the ego and as i see it, the ocean self, is the authentic self And then, there is the knowing of even our authentic self, is not the full story of who we are, but a more correct way of being/expression of God - at least how i see god. I have been shown a lot of spiritual experiences, supernatural stuff, real life magic like wine to water or the Moses splitting the water. Its true, anything can happen, Anything. But i havent been shown God is Love or Loving in its nature,, by any other way, than knowing my own Self. - i have heard people having moments of feeling the whole universe and the core is love and like that.. not me, i guess not. Only from own knowing of self, how i feel i am, how i know mySELF to be 😊
4:00 "I am 95% merged with the Infinite!" 😂😂😂 lmao I'm a firm believer that effective spiritual teachings require HUMOR - thank you I had a nice chuckle!
WORDS ARE TRAPS We are individual and non-individual We are individual and non-individual We are individual and non-individual...We are many parts of one body... WORDS ARE TRAPS
After enlightenment, you live your life as normal. All your desired started to fall. It will be like a poison tree. Your interest towards the world started to diminish. You are a pure existence. Once you know it , the game will change. People are making a huge deal about it
People that have had Near or After Death Experiences, say that individuality still exists after death. It is possible that, you are the whole AND at the same time you are an individuality.
There’s a serious issue with the perspective of the raindrop merging into the ocean, it’s the point of view from the ego, and experientially it simply isn’t what happens! The fact is that in communion the small raindrop is just overwhelmed by the immensity of the ocean, there is a temporary ego death otherwise you cannot experience something greater than you are.
@ It would seem so, one of the more remarkable aspects of transcendence is that a Christ, Yogananda, Ramakrishna, Buddha live in harmony in a state of heaven on earth or as a universal soul embodied in a particular form, theyre not exclusive or separate states.
Whether you're enlightened or not enlightened, you should experience your karma until you leave soul from body, the enlightened this is last janma, for others have multiple janmas. For few enlightened, they will get siddhis. This is essence. In this video he did not tell essence only beating around the bush.
The answer is too technical. More simply put, before self realisation, you are the ego. After self realisation, the ego still exists, but is merely just another object in the field of consciousness,that is, you are merely a witness of the ego. The ego as referred, also includes the person, which is a construct of thoughts.
God is not limited to Oneness: Swami (Papa) Ramdas: There are different levels of consciousness. That is the reason why saints have expressed the Truth in many ways. Some say Truth is dual, and assert that every other statement about Truth is wrong. Some other saints say it is one and consider the play of duality false. Both seem to right from their own standpoints. Questioner: Which is the higher level? Ramdas: There is no higher and lower there. Both are high. One who says that God is one, nameless, Formless Truth is right. The one who says He is the manifold forms is also right. But when he says he alone is right and all others are wrong, then he is not correct because he does not know that he is talking about only one aspect of the Truth. Questioner: When Papa says that the advaitin is right and so also the dvaitin, from what plane or level is Papa viewing them? Ramdas: That is no level at all. That is something where the duality and non-duality co- exist, where everything is and is not. Having attained this state one is not able to say or explain what one has experienced. Questioner: Is not that the highest level? Ramdas: It is no level at all. You can say it is the highest. The best way to express this state is to be silent. No amount of words can express this state. It is a mystery. Madhvacharya and Ramanujacharya were preaching from different planes or levels and that is why they appear to differ in their views. ---------------------- He also said: S: When Papa (Ramdas) says he may come again, is there any trace of "he " left on the attainment of moksha? Is not moksha not the final dissolution of individuality? Ramdas: Not necessarily final dissolution, but surely there is a dissolution of the lower individuality. A subtle type of higher individuality is maintained. S: In that case, does it not go against the principle of advaita? Ramdas: Ramdas is not a pure advaitin. He believes in the co-existence of dvaita and advaita. The jivanmukta retains his higher state of subtle individuality....in that state there is separation and unity simultaneously." He goes on to say that jnanis can lose their individuality. Ramdas felt that a higher state is, after Realization, you remain God's child. He said "It is not that one should simply lose oneself in him. You must be a child and play with Him. There is no joy in merely becoming sugar. You must also be like an ant enjoying the taste of it."
He said that himself at the very beginning. But bookish knowledge need not always be incorrect. Moreover, first you have to form an idea, and then experiment!
Science is much deeper than what we know even today. There are many phenomenas in this universe that even science cannot explain. But if you don't want to believe what he is saying, then it's your wish. No one is forcing you to believe. This is the beauty of Hinduism. It does not forces anyone to believe anything unlike other religi0ns.
These people do not know what is good for individuals is harmful to society and nation. Learn that from history of India. When will Hindus think of the nation?
It's foolishness to explain enlightenment. Enlightenment is highly individual phenomena. People who are enlightenment will not share how enlightenment feels like they will show the way. Who shares how enlightenment feels like are not enlightened. Enlightenment is rare experience. Only 1 in millions People.
Totally not acceptable philosophy he is preaching... .What about the terrorist? They are also brahm ? This philosophy is putting good and bad on same footing ... What about the rapist? , murderers, criminals and on the other hand saints, good people, kind souls ...are they same brahm ... Not acceptable by any logic .
you haven’t thought this through. Yes everything that is in creation is Brahman because nothing apart from Brahman exists since all that exists is Brahman. When you’re dreaming and one of the character in your dreams is a terrorist would you say that character was not part of your mind? if you don’t understand something then don’t comment on it.
So you distinguished yourself and swamiji from me by calling me ignorant. And on the other hand you are saying every creation is brahm...so i am also brahm ..isn't it right as per so called adwait philosophy which was preached by Jagadguru shankaracharya due to the circumstances at his times... Now if I am brahm ..how can I be ignorant ? How , when and why I, the brahm became ignorant? Is ignorance more powerful than brahm as it is making brahm ignorant ??? How funny ... and by yhe way what is this ignorance if everything is brahm ... Don't be a blind follower my brother ..try to read and understand our scriptures first. Also ask Swami sarvapriyanand ji if he is jeevanmukt already ? And if not then is he not under ignorance? He himself clarified honestly in the beginning of this video that he is not a realized sole and took support of ashtavakra Geeta. In entire bjagwadgeeta lord Krishna never told Arjun that you are brahm and jagat mithya or dream ... please read and under15th adhyay of bhagwadgeeta where lord Krishna clearly defined brahm, jeev maya all different from each other. Entire bhagwadgeeta or any upanishad or ved never said that brshm alone exists and jagat is a dream and mithya and brahm and jeev are one ... Please read and then follow.
@@gajananpuranik6481 Bro, you are making really basic arguments and thinking you have triumped over Advaita. In the conventional world -- the world of Maya, there are ignorant people. This world is Brahman experiencing Itself has multiplicity. So there can be different levels of ignorance. Swami is less ignorant than you but as long as you both identiufy with the body-mind you are both ignorant. Again, go back to the dream example. Characters in a dream can have varying degree of ignorance. I dont know what is your objection. You dont seem to understand Advaita. Even if you want to critisize advaitaa, do it properly like Ramanajun or Madhvacharya. You are not making a lot of sense because you dont understand Advaita. Do you undertand why as per advaita a terrorist can also be Brahman? At least acknowldge
Good and bad are not absolute. Just look at yourself as an example... Have you only done good things in your life, or have you only done bad things in your life? The answer is that you have done both! His philosophy teaches that even a terr0rist can become a saint if he starts walking on the right path, and even a saint can become a terr0rist if he indulges into wrong things. His philosophy is giving a hope to the mankind! There is nothing wrong with his philosophy.
According to advaita Vedanta….you are wrong ….making conclusive statements…without evidence amounts to mere pleading…there are many more other than sankara …long before sankara made interpretation of advaita Vedanta…
@ god, world and soul are eternal and real Buddha said change is permanent and sankara wanted to be different from Buddha and said there is changeless one. Asked about the world , soul etc he said anirvasanium… If souls are making decision on their own then they are separate and independent.
Yes, You, consciousness, maintains access to your individual focus of consciousness, within consciousness. You are just more fully aware of the dynamics at play.
नमस्ते स्वामी, धन्यवाद। आत्मनं साक्षात्काराय प्रथमं आत्मानं साक्षात्कारः कर्तव्यः, ततः ब्रह्म भवति। आत्मानं साक्षात्कारं विना ब्रह्म न साक्षात्कर्तुं शक्यते। यदा आत्मा साक्षात्कृतः भवति, तदा तस्योपरि ब्रह्म, अनन्तं अस्ति। धन्यवाद तव ज्ञानाय, त्वं उत्तमः पुरुषः असि।.🙏🏻😇
Before enlightenment chop wood carry water,after enlightenment chop wood carry water.
Great explanation ! Thank you Swami ji .
Yes. ❤
Individuality suggests retention of ego. Surrender of ego is enlightenment.
After Realisation, the person if alive (embodied) is Jivan-muktha . This appearance is for others who are embodied. Realised soul is generally oblivious to all this.
Footnote: All souls are self realised, but they are not aware of it, as their attention is focussed externally.
Surrender of ego is not enlightenment. Who said that surrender of ego is enlightenment? Do you think enlightenment can be define in one sentence? Enlightenment is not that simple it's highly complicated phenomena. Only enlightened person can feels what is enlightenment. And who are enlightened will not shares how enlightenment feels like if they share that how enlightenment feels like those are big fools and they are not enlightened. Enlightened masters can show the way but they will not share how enlightenment will feels like at any costs. People who are not enlightened and try to explain enlightenment are big fools in my sense.
@@sampoornamkannan Indeed, the better word for the cryptic word enlightenment is self realisation, realisation of one's true nature, realisation of the falsity of the ego and the persona.
@@sampoornamkannan you retain the localization of senses, you still see with eyes. Your eyes do not disappear. But, …, as an aware/enlightened/?, localization of consciousness (creator, no word to describe, many words to attempt to name…), this may occur. Realizing that, As a representation of the creator, as all are within creation, you become “aware”, that, as a representation of the creator, your part to play in the world matters, as you are the world, that you represent and live in, always. So, make it better for all, now, and, for when you return, but you never leave. You cant leave, and why would you. Your neighbour is, your self, who better to live by and with, heaven comes to mind. . Prior to enlightenment, some people act like lost souls and, well, do what, lost souls do. Insert some things people do, that you may know, that does not seem right. Note - surrender of ego is ego death, sometimes temporary, rarely permanent, and is an entirely different topic , one for talk shows and book sellers. Even angels have such discussions, but no fights allowed, eternity is longer than most could ever imagine, at least in this world. ….
You can be enlightent and still have an ego
As most people right now are enlightent without knowing it
But you can have seen and realized all 3 stages he describes, becouse i know from my own experience 😄🩵
God, i even still have doubt coming up if i am enlightent or not - but they just havent been transmutted/transformered fully yet - they are part of the drop, the ego and as i see it, the ocean self, is the authentic self
And then, there is the knowing of even our authentic self, is not the full story of who we are, but a more correct way of being/expression of God - at least how i see god.
I have been shown a lot of spiritual experiences, supernatural stuff, real life magic like wine to water or the Moses splitting the water. Its true, anything can happen, Anything.
But i havent been shown God is Love or Loving in its nature,, by any other way, than knowing my own Self.
- i have heard people having moments of feeling the whole universe and the core is love and like that.. not me, i guess not.
Only from own knowing of self, how i feel i am, how i know mySELF to be 😊
thank you
Whatever you do, you are a conscious being ! No need to try !
4:00 "I am 95% merged with the Infinite!" 😂😂😂 lmao I'm a firm believer that effective spiritual teachings require HUMOR - thank you I had a nice chuckle!
Thank you!
Very nice background music
When souls are making decisions on their own independently , individuality exists
Yes its in bagawadh gita. Only a crazy one think He is the whole source.
And i feel this deeply.
We are a Spark of the whole
The very fact that a soul thinks, implies it is experiencing duality, although aware of non duality
@nonduality is experiencing duality
@@luvenpranicfrequency8043 if you think then you are not Brahman….be cause you are not unchanging
@@Zzzzurast2223individuality is an illusion.. source is real
Good
WORDS ARE TRAPS We are individual and non-individual We are individual and non-individual We are individual and non-individual...We are many parts of one body... WORDS ARE TRAPS
He doesn't know
After enlightenment, you live your life as normal. All your desired started to fall. It will be like a poison tree. Your interest towards the world started to diminish. You are a pure existence. Once you know it , the game will change. People are making a huge deal about it
"It is", "It is not" comes from individual leading right life.
People that have had Near or After Death Experiences, say that individuality still exists after death. It is possible that, you are the whole AND at the same time you are an individuality.
There’s a serious issue with the perspective of the raindrop merging into the ocean, it’s the point of view from the ego, and experientially it simply isn’t what happens! The fact is that in communion the small raindrop is just overwhelmed by the immensity of the ocean, there is a temporary ego death otherwise you cannot experience something greater than you are.
What happens after enlightenment? Does the enlightened soul have the mind to experience that 'something greater than you are'?
@ It would seem so, one of the more remarkable aspects of transcendence is that a Christ, Yogananda, Ramakrishna, Buddha live in harmony in a state of heaven on earth or as a universal soul embodied in a particular form, theyre not exclusive or separate states.
Whether you're enlightened or not enlightened, you should experience your karma until you leave soul from body, the enlightened this is last janma, for others have multiple janmas. For few enlightened, they will get siddhis. This is essence. In this video he did not tell essence only beating around the bush.
There are many …born before sankara interpreted advaita …they rejected sankara’s interpretation.
Once you moksha/rainbow body you are immortal.
-Vishnu
BUT WHY? Why the eternal peace needs/creates/experiences those disturbances?
But will the enlightened be born again? Will he feel that there is a world ever again?
He is a complete spiritual pshyco....
Lol! Do you even know anything about spirituality?
@godishelping ok..
Explain what is spirituality?
Pl
@@zakkiralahlihussain It is not something which could be explained in one line or one para. Go and study Bhagvadgita and you shall find out.
@godishelping that means u don't know about it.
uh....yeah
The answer is too technical. More simply put, before self realisation, you are the ego. After self realisation, the ego still exists, but is merely just another object in the field of consciousness,that is, you are merely a witness of the ego. The ego as referred, also includes the person, which is a construct of thoughts.
Yes you see yourself from 3 perspectiv. Like in a Video game. Im an Avatar
@Zzzzurast2223 good analogy
Can anybody please tell me the name of the song he is singing?
God is not limited to Oneness:
Swami (Papa) Ramdas: There are different levels of consciousness. That is the reason why saints have expressed the Truth in many ways. Some say Truth is dual, and assert that every other statement about Truth is wrong. Some other saints say it is one and consider the play of duality false. Both seem to right from their own standpoints.
Questioner: Which is the higher level?
Ramdas: There is no higher and lower there. Both are high. One who says that God is one, nameless, Formless Truth is right. The one who says He is the manifold forms is also right. But when he says he alone is right and all others are wrong, then he is not correct because he does not know that he is talking about only one aspect of the Truth.
Questioner: When Papa says that the advaitin is right and so also the dvaitin, from what plane or level is Papa viewing them?
Ramdas: That is no level at all. That is something where the duality and non-duality co- exist, where everything is and is not. Having attained this state one is not able to say or explain what one has experienced.
Questioner: Is not that the highest level?
Ramdas: It is no level at all. You can say it is the highest. The best way to express this state is to be silent. No amount of words can express this state. It is a mystery. Madhvacharya and Ramanujacharya were preaching from different planes or levels and that is why they appear to differ in their views.
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He also said:
S: When Papa (Ramdas) says he may come again, is there any trace of "he " left on the attainment of moksha? Is not moksha not the final dissolution of individuality?
Ramdas: Not necessarily final dissolution, but surely there is a dissolution of the lower individuality. A subtle type of higher individuality is maintained.
S: In that case, does it not go against the principle of advaita?
Ramdas: Ramdas is not a pure advaitin. He believes in the co-existence of dvaita and advaita. The jivanmukta retains his higher state of subtle individuality....in that state there is separation and unity simultaneously."
He goes on to say that jnanis can lose their individuality. Ramdas felt that a higher state is, after Realization, you remain God's child. He said "It is not that one should simply lose oneself in him. You must be a child and play with Him. There is no joy in merely becoming sugar. You must also be like an ant enjoying the taste of it."
After realization there is no coming back. Nobody comes to maya again.
Since when is any question, "Dumb?"
Bookish knowledge, no personal experience.
How do you know that?
He said that himself at the very beginning. But bookish knowledge need not always be incorrect. Moreover, first you have to form an idea, and then experiment!
God cannot distinguish objects…no discriminatory knowledge …not scientific
Science is much deeper than what we know even today. There are many phenomenas in this universe that even science cannot explain.
But if you don't want to believe what he is saying, then it's your wish. No one is forcing you to believe. This is the beauty of Hinduism. It does not forces anyone to believe anything unlike other religi0ns.
These people do not know what is good for individuals is harmful to society and nation. Learn that from history of India. When will Hindus think of the nation?
Stop this nonsense.
It's foolishness to explain enlightenment. Enlightenment is highly individual phenomena. People who are enlightenment will not share how enlightenment feels like they will show the way. Who shares how enlightenment feels like are not enlightened. Enlightenment is rare experience. Only 1 in millions People.
Why do people ask such dumb questions?
😂😂😂 Even a Christian knows by now
You are one
Totally not acceptable philosophy he is preaching...
.What about the terrorist? They are also brahm ? This philosophy is putting good and bad on same footing ...
What about the rapist? , murderers, criminals and on the other hand saints, good people, kind souls ...are they same brahm ...
Not acceptable by any logic .
you haven’t thought this through. Yes everything that is in creation is Brahman because nothing apart from Brahman exists since all that exists is Brahman.
When you’re dreaming and one of the character in your dreams is a terrorist would you say that character was not part of your mind?
if you don’t understand something then don’t comment on it.
So you distinguished yourself and swamiji from me by calling me ignorant. And on the other hand you are saying every creation is brahm...so i am also brahm ..isn't it right as per so called adwait philosophy which was preached by Jagadguru shankaracharya due to the circumstances at his times...
Now if I am brahm ..how can I be ignorant ? How , when and why I, the brahm became ignorant? Is ignorance more powerful than brahm as it is making brahm ignorant ???
How funny ... and by yhe way what is this ignorance if everything is brahm ...
Don't be a blind follower my brother ..try to read and understand our scriptures first.
Also ask Swami sarvapriyanand ji if he is jeevanmukt already ? And if not then is he not under ignorance?
He himself clarified honestly in the beginning of this video that he is not a realized sole and took support of ashtavakra Geeta.
In entire bjagwadgeeta lord Krishna never told Arjun that you are brahm and jagat mithya or dream ... please read and under15th adhyay of bhagwadgeeta where lord Krishna clearly defined brahm, jeev maya all different from each other. Entire bhagwadgeeta or any upanishad or ved never said that brshm alone exists and jagat is a dream and mithya and brahm and jeev are one ...
Please read and then follow.
@@gajananpuranik6481 Bro, you are making really basic arguments and thinking you have triumped over Advaita. In the conventional world -- the world of Maya, there are ignorant people. This world is Brahman experiencing Itself has multiplicity. So there can be different levels of ignorance.
Swami is less ignorant than you but as long as you both identiufy with the body-mind you are both ignorant.
Again, go back to the dream example. Characters in a dream can have varying degree of ignorance.
I dont know what is your objection. You dont seem to understand Advaita. Even if you want to critisize advaitaa, do it properly like Ramanajun or Madhvacharya.
You are not making a lot of sense because you dont understand Advaita. Do you undertand why as per advaita a terrorist can also be Brahman? At least acknowldge
This guy is the best teacher,and he does this seeking nothing for himself,he knows there is no self to get enlightenment,all is one.
Good and bad are not absolute. Just look at yourself as an example... Have you only done good things in your life, or have you only done bad things in your life? The answer is that you have done both!
His philosophy teaches that even a terr0rist can become a saint if he starts walking on the right path, and even a saint can become a terr0rist if he indulges into wrong things. His philosophy is giving a hope to the mankind! There is nothing wrong with his philosophy.
According to advaita Vedanta….you are wrong ….making conclusive statements…without evidence amounts to mere pleading…there are many more other than sankara …long before sankara made interpretation of advaita Vedanta…
is there anything available about their interpretations?
@ god, world and soul are eternal and real
Buddha said change is permanent and sankara wanted to be different from Buddha and said there is changeless one. Asked about the world
, soul etc he said anirvasanium…
If souls are making decision on their own then they are separate and independent.