It’s incredible how Jazmine Jafar was running rough shot over different content creators with her argument that hypergamy does not manifest in real life. I gave three examples where it does and none of you seem to notice that I countered her argument. Instead you criticize me for not being harder on them 😂 This is the best example ever that winning a debate doesn’t mean anything. All you guys want is blood🤣
@MichaelSartain Next time go after her BS sources if you plan to have her on again. For example the first time she was on Fresh and Fit she cited Paul Dolan about women supposedly being "happier when not married" but if you actually look into it that was redacted in May of 2019 long before she went on so she either acted in bad faith or didn't check her sources. The guy supposedly misinterpreted the study which actually asked men and women if they were happier while in the same room as the person they were married to then were separated into different rooms then asked once again if they were happier than before. Stuff like this happens when you use sources that aren't meta-analysis. Very disingenuous.
You are too busy trying to make friends with these bitches that don't care about you instead of pushing back on things and constantly giving her High Fives 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Maybe because she didn’t concede to your counters Mike. I think you allowed her to carry on the discussion without pinning her down on acknowledging the reasons why she’s wrong. P.S this is not hate your a smarter man than I could ever wish to be, just constructive criticism
@@crazyguywatchnu wow, your timestamp brought up a point where I completely countered destiny’s point. Thank you for proving my point. I’m going to have my team make a clip of this. Dude, stop showing that you’re so low IQ and accept the fact that you’re just saw facts presented in a debate. Sit back and learn something.
@williamclayton9566 thus the only simps argument.. because they spend on both their wife who isn't pleasing them and the OF girl who also doesn't please them... So the ops coment is valid....
This was a painful watch. Every time he brought up a good point they would push back with a counter and instead of elaborating on his perspective he would adjust his view to fit theirs or unnecessarily concede ground which weakened his initial argument. This was particularly painful with the conversation on mate selection and hypergamy as well as APA - traditional Masculinity. If you're afraid to offend you will struggle to convince, that's exactly how this went down. Michael offers descriptions but no perscriptions but goes on to say he offers coachong advice. If you can't convonce the opposite gender of your views on dating then what value is there in claiming you're teaching men what women want?
@@The_Growth_Experiencebru half the chit they source is straight up lies/embelished/massively out of context... All they do is well what if this and ik this 1 person
She really thinks Andrew Wilson is scared to debate her 😂😂😂 Destiny is scared to debate him and all her and Farhas points mainly come from him. That wouldnt be a debate, it would be a massacre.
He has already debated both on multiple occasions and destroyed them. Even got the non-lawyer to admit that if she had sex with her brother, she wouldn’t see it as immoral if a baby wasn’t conceived. Totally insane degenerate!
She's just like every other delusional woman with a bit more business sense so she think she's superior to other girls because she makes money from simps.
Why do incels use 304? Shouldn’t it be 04 or y’all that lacking in basic spelling and vocabulary? It’s funny to me that a huge term you all use has an obvious spelling mistake in it.
Marketing 101..tits and ass sell.. Sartain knows if he has OF girls on he will get more viewers then if he interviewed successful business women his own age.
The main issue with Jazmyn beside how embarrassing her current profession is to a mans reputation is the fact of her assuming things are facts because SHE personally knows A HANDFUL of people who do something. Life works in GENERALITIES
"Andrew Wilson is scared to debate me" STOP THE CAP Andrew already dunked on this broad multiple times, and the best grilling WAS the 1v1 on HIS channel. HERE'S THE LINK - th-cam.com/video/K2r_J2Fq-5M/w-d-xo.html She also was overwhelmingly decimated on any panel she shared with Andrew because he didn't let her get away with non-nonsensical arguments. It's always EASY for him because she's just pseudo-intellectual.
Even on one of the more recent episodes of fresh n fit where they had Andrew Wilson on, around the end of the podcast Andrew literally said he’d debate her again and told fresh n fit to set it up and we LITERALLY voted that we wanted fresh n fit to setup a panel with those 2 on it . Andrew Wilson said out his own mouth and he’s bulldozed her on every debate they’ve ever had , WHICH HE HAS
Coming to the aid of Mr. Sartain: 1. Everyone doesn't want resources: In general, men want women, while women want excess resources. 2. An alpha out competes their peers for the best options and is desired by top candidates of the opposite sex, while the same sex wants to emulate them. A promiscuous woman is an Omega, desired mostly by undesirable candidates and not respected by others. 3. Hypergamy means seeking a superior sociological or educational background. Men aren't hypergamous; otherwise, women with Ph.Ds and billionaires would be dating the most desirable men, which isn't the case. 4. Neuroplasticity is feature not a bug, therefore men should only marry women under 24 so that the brain is shaped in the loving context of marriage and not college parties 5. The men that women find most attractive are not seeking women over 25. Michael himself is like 50 dating a 20 year old. If a woman wants the most desirable man she should marry young and not have been promiscuous because she can someone but she cannot get "the one" she wants because "the one" she wants has lots of what are known as OPTIONS.
Michael was really nice to her. I think the other redpolls guy made her soooo much more defensive than she needed to be with you. You were actually very respectful.
It's terrible that the Western World is normalizing this behavior, but from an economic point of view, Jafar's logic makes perfect sense. It discourages you if you are working in a conventional occupation and still obtaining low pay despite the long hours and effort you put in. It disincentivizes you to pursue that career path. If you pursue a career doing OnlyFans, you can make ten times more money with a fraction of the headache and frustration of working at a regular job. I think our society needs to revise the incentive structure if we do not want to normalize sex work.
Problem is the West is built on capitalism so revising the incentive structure means telling the West to care less about pursuing wealth, status and fame and that will never ever happen. The deterioration of morals and values was an inevitable consequence given the foundation of the country’s economic structure.
Sadly, Jafar is just a product of her time. If all those thousands of men were not subscribed to her page, she would never have left a career as a lawyer. She is willing to commodify her body and sex life just for a pretty dime. Can't begin to imagine how torn her parents are.
jazmen got torn to shreds by jeff cooper and F&F with her many half-truths, deliberate distortions and her frequent use of disproved theorems regarding sexual behavior.
My question coming into this: Will these women acknowledge the plight of the average man? Spoiler alert. No they don’t. They default to the top men. My critique of Farha is typically that she is arguing with a made up caricature in her head and never listens to what the other person is actually saying. She didn’t talk as much but I found Jazmen to more often than not be doing this same thing. You can see the evidence of this by the multiple times she articulates Michael’s point incorrectly back to him. The biggest display of this was her frequent inability to see when they agreed and would cut him off to say something that was exactly in line with what he was saying.
After fhara admitted she was a government sponsored psyop i have no clue how anyone could ever entertain any of these dingbats again for a single second.
Micheal is doing the nest job at talking with these too. He’s actually communicating to understand and these two just listen to respond. Very impressed. Micheal is the goat! Idc
Michael should understand she is arguing to just argue, she is doing it in bad faith. She is giving push backs to be relevant. Deep down she knows whats right but if she would agree, her attention pool wont grow, which is sourced from redpill podcasts where she is only invited coz she is giving pushbacks. Now if michael already understand that and trying to monetize this situation and still bullying viewres by telling them " mofos I aint call them names". Viewers need to leave these people alone. This is not entertainment, this is trap. Its not that men didnt know what attracts women before these podcasts began.
Jazmen: I’m the alpha male in my relationship. Wild watching her literally saying she doesn’t respect her man and acting like this relationship is gonna work. Just like destiny seeing nothing wrong with his marriage then it falls apart exactly the way you think it would.
lol the way Jayzmen constantly looks down on Michael throughout the interview is hilariously off-putting. Throws a jab at him at every opportunity and he just lets it wash over him. I respect the calmness.
Thank you for this conversation guys, it's not easy to find intellectual value in these spaces. Both sides were clearly really well educated on this topic and it just goes to show that we can come to the table and discuss things like adults, and actually, we probably all agree on many things. Great job!
One point you forgot regarding health, fitness and womens body type. Men, generally speaking will go fir the one that seems like the least effort to keep. Its also not necessarily that even some men like big women. More often than not, its that he knows thats all he can get.
@Dimllll773 also. Isn't it only one particular small vilage in africa where big is the preference They make it sound like all african men are down with it. Ya look at the average african. They are slim, not thick. Ps. Just searched it. Average weight for woman in africa is 123lbs to 141lbs. That definitely pre *thick* Given what ive seen in her other interviews. This is not a lawyer I'd want representing me. A lot of the time she just seems to be repeating nice sounding things she wants to believe are true. Things shes heard somewhere that have nothing to back them up.
Study after study’s says men are completely indifferent to a woman’s socioeconomic status. Doesn’t make her more or less attractive. Jazmen is talking out of her ass as usual
2:09:00 Andrew Wilson will not debate you? hes afraid to debate you? has he not debated both these girls twice? Farha conceded and Jasmine could not substantiate her points. But I can see why Andrew would not debate Farha for a 3rd time there is no substance,interest or entertainment hell she spends all her time just "asking questions" as if she's trying to understand the position of her opposition but then if asked to steel man their position to show her competence in understanding their stance what does she do... ask more questions. Her Daria Khalifa impression also gets old you see even in this discussion (since there was no debate) she is pretty much a non factor in the conversation.
Bruh... 1 cant read a graph and her bf cant watch adult content... The other siliconed on steroids and says looks dont matter while arguing for class based dating and non commitment... They cant even repeat destiny points correctly
This conversation makes clear that the difference between men and women is not that women are hypergamous and men aren’t. As pointed out, both are “hypergamous.” Instead, it’s because men can benefit much more from promiscuity than women. Genetic success ~ number of children x quality of children In the case of men, the number of children factor increases with number of partners, but not for women.
You, as well as Michael Sartain, have confused hypergamy with optimization. Think about that for a second. Hypergamy is not simply pursuing 'better', it is an active, hard-wired rejection of anything BELOW a certain standard. I.e., once a woman has had a '9', she CAN'T feel attraction for '6s' anymore. If she perceives herself to be a '7' she can't feel attraction for a '6' either. And you know what most women think of themselves . . . . . .
@@socrates2788 That does not refute anything I said. You, too, have confused hypergamy with optimization. EVERYONE all the time wants "better" - that's optimization. The difference is that the man that can't get a '10' to commit (but may have banged one when she was drunk) can be perfectly happy with a '7', whereas with a woman that's a '6' may have only rejected a few 9s & 10s on Tinder and never dated or even met up with them is now unconsciously convinced that she can get all kinds of '8s' to marry her, AND that said '8' is beneath her and that if she were to marry the 8 she' be 'settling' - i.e., she'll never be happy.
So much whining. 1:53:40 All commentors on F&F are 13-year-olds? 😂 1:50:20 Who needs them to suffer? Sounds like a straw man. 1:51:26 Again? F&F ask them simple questions and they give insane answers. 2:03:22 Literally you Michael. 😂 It's true if that's what everybody thinks. 2:03:36 Ok grandad. Farha needs mental help. Her views on porn/etc are bizarre.
What happens to all these young men that don't have family's? Michael said more men are single than women . But they don't talk about what that will do to society in the future .
Michael is definitely giving as little pushback as possible. She says you are unlucky that you molested little kids and go to jail. His response, “True but we should put them in prison.” The correct answer is they aren’t lucky at all Michael.
Seriously? I totally countered their point about hypergamy and you think I gave them a “little pushback”? It’s crazy how your psychological bias only allows you to hear what you want to hear.
@@MichaelSartain my example of how she characterized people who molest children and do bad things aren’t bad and are just unlucky you were like “yeah probably but put them in jail still.” So put people in jail because they are unlucky, not because they are evil.
I’m not sure why you are still doing interviews with these types of women? I just skip now until I see an actually decent guest in your show. We all know what these type of women are about & have done the rounds a million times & try to get clout in all the shows. Disproving them means nothing for men. We know what they are. Would much prefer content that builds men up & helps them, rather than showing what these women are over & over. Nothing against you Michael at all, but I just think this type of interviewing with these women has run its coarse a long time ago.
no it is totally fine to use the word "hypergamy" in a different context. there is in fact a physical side of hypergamy, size, strength, looks, etc...that is very much a part of female hypergamy
Sometimes I wonder if the goal is to actually confront the nonsense in a demonstrable way, ensure that they will come back on the show, have you on their show, lock in future 3some candidates, or all of the above.
For hypergamy, she constantly confuses correlation with causation. It's true that as a general rule, most people tend to end up marrying across their socio-economic status structure rather than up or down. However, studies have clearly shown that a woman's socio-economic status is not a major factor in mate selection by men, while it is a huge factor for women. The reason billionaires don't marry barista's has more to do with the social circle that the run in than the actual status. In essence, people tend to marry people they socialize a lot with, and since billionaires hang out with billionaires, they tend to marry each other. Also, the data from online dating sites clearly shows that 80% of the woman are only replying to the top 20% of men. This is to be expected because a study showed that when women have more mate options (or the perception of more options) they tend to be selective in mate selection.
I didn’t watch the debate mainly because these two are intolerable, I had to comment when I seen my dude Andrew Wilson comment on these two talking trash after AW already destroyed both of them in a debate. I’m hoping MS at least checked them on that asinine comment, knowing AW already debated them both
Michael got the best out of Jazmen.. She is really not a bad as her rep is in the RP-space. I always knew she was intelligent, but not attacking her, brings out the positive side of her. You can disagree with someone's views and life choices, without attacking them.
Wow, it’s incredible how you guys totally missed the part where I countered their main argument about hypergamy. It’s like you didn’t even watch the debate 🤣🤣🤣 You needed me to reach over and punch them or something
@@cbsguy6363 again, you have no counter to what I just said so you make up more nonsense. This is why you will always be poor and be a failure.🤣🤣🤣 I used fact and reason in order to win this debate. You don’t understand what that looks like because you want people to scream at each other.
The done at 30 thing does not come from men. That originated from other women. Also. Her being done at 30 is not a result of men, but more so this phenomenon we have see more and more often projected online. Done at 30 comes from her, as thats when she typically decides her stands have to go up and not down. If shes not finding what she wanted. Its likely because for her, what she wanted was not obtainable, even in her prime.
A study conducted in Australia indicates that when women are primary breadwinners, instances of intimate partner violence and infidelity tend to rise. In addition, based on data regarding wages and prescription medication in Denmark, men who earn less than their wives are more inclined to use erectile dysfunction medication compared to men who are the primary breadwinners, even if the income gap is minimal. I think this shows that while men and women are economically and socially equal, men like to feel powerful (and women respect men who are equal or above their socio-economic status).
Jafar is failing to understand that attraction triggers of men aren't the only factor that influences male marriage choices, in practice. In other words, the women that men choose to marry doesn't give you a direct correlation with what men find attractive in women. Men don't choose or leave girlfriends/wives purely with attraction as the motivator behind behavior (in men, emotion and impulses are suppressed by other things like internal goals, internal morals, etc by default) An extreme example is an Absolute Monarch marrying the daughter of another King for an alliance, breeding a successor, etc. His choice of wife is not influenced by attraction at all. This marriage would tell an alien, using this King as a study sample, absolutely nothing about what that man's "heart's" attraction triggers are (as in what his heart truly wants). But, the king's mistress who he keeps undercover would tell you a whole lot more about his attraction triggers. Male partner choices are influenced by reputation, ambition/goals, family opinion/compatibility, genetics that the kids will inherit, etc. The more successful the man, the more likely his choice of wife is going to be influenced by such non-attraction (non-emotion) driven things. It's why very rich men used to marry tall supermodels with Masters degrees from a prominent family which the guy displays like an accessory and this trophy wife is otherwise bored and unhappy at home on vallium and red wine staring at Jose the Poolboy, but this Rich man also has a short sexy mistress who he met at McDonalds and takes on trips to the Bahamas, etc ("business trips"). Woman 1 is useful for reputation, goals, ambition, breeding, etc in ways that don't involve romantic emotion...and was chosen accordingly Woman 2 is for everything that involves romantic emotion/impulses.
I would like to correct something the host said about the Castle Doctrine, otherwise referred to a defense-of-habitation laws. The Castle Doctrine dates to the English common law, and in a nutshell, states that it is lawful to use deadly force to repel intrusion into one’s home. It is still good law in most state, including California(see Penal Code § 198.5), Michael’s assertion notwithstanding. I think there may be some confusion between the Castle Doctrine and stand-your-ground laws, which were not part of the common law and are entirely of statutory creation. Stand-your-ground laws differ in that they extend, the Castle Doctrine beyond the habitation, to varying degrees in the states that have them. From a member of the California Bar
Interesting conversation. I’m surprised Farha didn’t push back much. When I’ve seen her have conversations with Destiny it’s like her default setting is “Debate.”
*In Jazmen's debate with Andrew,* she exposed how she has a subjective moral framework - and that she believes all people do. Based on that, it makes no sense for her to disagree with another person's ideology because their moral framework is equal to hers. What Michael failed to address is that feminism and hypergamy contradict each other. Also, both genders were brainwashed to believe in equality but the men that believe in equality are getting punished in society - she doesn't want equal, she wants a leader (which is not equal). The issue with feminists is that they want to be treated like a traditional lady while simultaneously having feminist ideals. Basically to have their cake and eat it. As a man, you need to realize that feminism is here in the West to stay and we're at the point of diminishing returns - it's no longer a benefit to the economy as it once was. My secular advice: Date and don't commit here. Then go overseas to find a wife. My religious advice: Go overseas to find a wife.
Straight up, this conversation made my insides twist. Idek why I listened. These women are incentivized to downplay the negative effects of pornography (and OF), so watching them pick and choose biased studies; and swerve around language to make being a beta at the end sound like the better lifestyle choice… as purely disgusting as it is; you have to almost expect it. Incentives rule everything. Theirs is to make you weak (ie. more likely to pay for their service). God I hated this conversation. You could even hear Mike groan a little whenever they started back up.
Her rationalizations and deliberate distortions of facts all stem from her desperate urge to convince herself that she hasn't failed as a woman - when, in fact, she has. She very clearly wants a man in her life and wants that man to be better than her, but she can't hold onto such a guy. You can see her subconscious screaming at the pain of her loneliness and failures with high value men.
These women’s advice/ opinion is ridiculously biased. They are both attractive and not close to making an average wage. Their advice is the equivalent to Grant Cardone saying just make money, it’s easy
At some point, both girls just needed to take "yes" for an answer. At 51:15, JJ seems to do it, while at the same time it seemed she was thinking that she got Mike to come over to her way of thinking. Sigh. Whatever gets you to the afterglow, Princess.
1:49:18 Forbidding the guy from talking to other women while she openly looks to replace him for a long-term partner is genuinely wild, even by "alpha male" standards. She even claims he's madly in love with her. Never seen such an advanced form of cuckoldry...
@@josewmeldondo lol, the only fact is that they have been ruthlessly eviscerated by everyone they went up against. Saint and sinner, Andrew Wilson, Michael knowles(where farha showed that she couldn't even read a graph properly), sartain, rollo, fresh and fit...... list goes on and on
It’s incredible how Jazmine Jafar was running rough shot over different content creators with her argument that hypergamy does not manifest in real life. I gave three examples where it does and none of you seem to notice that I countered her argument. Instead you criticize me for not being harder on them 😂
This is the best example ever that winning a debate doesn’t mean anything. All you guys want is blood🤣
@MichaelSartain Next time go after her BS sources if you plan to have her on again. For example the first time she was on Fresh and Fit she cited Paul Dolan about women supposedly being "happier when not married" but if you actually look into it that was redacted in May of 2019 long before she went on so she either acted in bad faith or didn't check her sources.
The guy supposedly misinterpreted the study which actually asked men and women if they were happier while in the same room as the person they were married to then were separated into different rooms then asked once again if they were happier than before. Stuff like this happens when you use sources that aren't meta-analysis. Very disingenuous.
You are too busy trying to make friends with these bitches that don't care about you instead of pushing back on things and constantly giving her High Fives 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Maybe because she didn’t concede to your counters Mike. I think you allowed her to carry on the discussion without pinning her down on acknowledging the reasons why she’s wrong. P.S this is not hate your a smarter man than I could ever wish to be, just constructive criticism
No we want consistency from you 45:52 there is none
@@crazyguywatchnu wow, your timestamp brought up a point where I completely countered destiny’s point. Thank you for proving my point. I’m going to have my team make a clip of this. Dude, stop showing that you’re so low IQ and accept the fact that you’re just saw facts presented in a debate. Sit back and learn something.
Only Fans should be called Only Simps! Because only simps would spend money on it!
90% married men.
Exactly @@williamclayton9566.
Yeah those 90% of men paying for only fans getting cheated on by their wives... Yes those are the Simps😂😂😂@@williamclayton9566
Somebody subscribed 😂😂😂
@williamclayton9566 thus the only simps argument.. because they spend on both their wife who isn't pleasing them and the OF girl who also doesn't please them...
So the ops coment is valid....
This was a painful watch. Every time he brought up a good point they would push back with a counter and instead of elaborating on his perspective he would adjust his view to fit theirs or unnecessarily concede ground which weakened his initial argument. This was particularly painful with the conversation on mate selection and hypergamy as well as APA - traditional Masculinity. If you're afraid to offend you will struggle to convince, that's exactly how this went down. Michael offers descriptions but no perscriptions but goes on to say he offers coachong advice. If you can't convonce the opposite gender of your views on dating then what value is there in claiming you're teaching men what women want?
Exactly this
True
Thought was the only one seeing that shit. Girl with the glasses straight up lied about the divorce stats 😂
@The_Growth_Experience lol that's what she does. Every. Single. Time.
@@The_Growth_Experiencebru half the chit they source is straight up lies/embelished/massively out of context...
All they do is well what if this and ik this 1 person
Finally someone can talk to this lady! She’s debating without trying to understand before demanding to be understood.
Destiny children's
Oooo I see what you did there…
And none of them would touch him 🤣
But theyll say they would so thwy can be right and have they cake and eat it 2
Stop elevating these horz
Stop watching, then.
@@josewmeldondo he probably watches for the psychology studies.
"everyone wants resources equally"
Then where's all the sugar mommas supporting young broke men?
drizzle drizzle
Plenty of them!!
@@Dimllll773
She keeps bringing up marriage stats as the ultimate repository for her arguments like over half of them don't end in divorce.
@@codywirth8190 Couple that with the fact that most OF subs are Married Men shows how great Marriage is.
@@lf4678no there’s none of them
She really thinks Andrew Wilson is scared to debate her 😂😂😂 Destiny is scared to debate him and all her and Farhas points mainly come from him. That wouldnt be a debate, it would be a massacre.
He has already debated both on multiple occasions and destroyed them. Even got the non-lawyer to admit that if she had sex with her brother, she wouldn’t see it as immoral if a baby wasn’t conceived. Totally insane degenerate!
Destiny’s debated Andrew for years among multiple topics and always makes him look foolish
@@randallflagification You mean Destiny looked foolish.
@@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUIdestiny destroy that dude every time
Here we go.
304 lawyer & Farha Khalifa
She's not a actual lawyer
She's just like every other delusional woman with a bit more business sense so she think she's superior to other girls because she makes money from simps.
Virgin Mia Khalifa
Just a normal 304 and Mid Khalifa.
Why do incels use 304? Shouldn’t it be 04 or y’all that lacking in basic spelling and vocabulary? It’s funny to me that a huge term you all use has an obvious spelling mistake in it.
Clout is a hell of a drug
Talking to of girls? What is the point? Are they role models?
its called collaborative advertising. Red pill audience are their largest customer base. They brag about this often
Marketing 101..tits and ass sell.. Sartain knows if he has OF girls on he will get more viewers then if he interviewed successful business women his own age.
The main issue with Jazmyn beside how embarrassing her current profession is to a mans reputation is the fact of her assuming things are facts because SHE personally knows A HANDFUL of people who do something. Life works in GENERALITIES
Omg these 2 again.
Wooh! Redpill Lions! 🦁🔥🦁🔥
Looks like Jazmen is actually covering up for once.... I bet this episode'll be annoying as fuck
@@TheSteeVeau(two less incentives for some guys to watch)
They know Michael isnt as a savage as Marquett .
I peaced out after 15mins, shocked I made it that long.
Two of the worst human human beings that aren't serial killers
you and your mom?
@MaccusFNS
Oh look a simp
@@MaccusFNS
Oh look a simp
@@MaccusFNS 👈 monkeypox spreader
@@MaccusFNS 👈 AIDS
"Andrew Wilson is scared to debate me"
STOP THE CAP
Andrew already dunked on this broad multiple times, and the best grilling WAS the 1v1 on HIS channel.
HERE'S THE LINK - th-cam.com/video/K2r_J2Fq-5M/w-d-xo.html
She also was overwhelmingly decimated on any panel she shared with Andrew because he didn't let her get away with non-nonsensical arguments.
It's always EASY for him because she's just pseudo-intellectual.
Even on one of the more recent episodes of fresh n fit where they had Andrew Wilson on, around the end of the podcast Andrew literally said he’d debate her again and told fresh n fit to set it up and we LITERALLY voted that we wanted fresh n fit to setup a panel with those 2 on it . Andrew Wilson said out his own mouth and he’s bulldozed her on every debate they’ve ever had , WHICH HE HAS
3:57 entered a lobbying firm.........hmmmm corporate bend?
5:01 so she owes her success to fnf
6:24 you two would have dunked on her. Dude is mad simping for these of. Same as he does for his vegas "friends"
7:51 you aren't morally ambiguous you are an intelligent man capitalizing on the focus
Didn’t Jazmen debate Andrew already? I am certain I saw it.
She did and got destroyed
No, she didn't @cbsguy6363
@@josewmeldondoshe definitely did
No, she didn't @jman3767
@@josewmeldondo he destroys everyone
So is anyone going to acknowledge how they both got destroyed by Saint & the sinner or we just gonna ignore that
I came here to mention it too 😂
Nobody is, because they weren't.
@@josewmeldondo They resorted to calling him the N word….
As a poc, while I don't condone it, it's just a word. Doesn't kill anybody @DarkAceOkal.
@@josewmeldondo if you resort to something that petty, you’re definitely losing your argument by a large margin😂
Coming to the aid of Mr. Sartain:
1. Everyone doesn't want resources: In general, men want women, while women want excess resources.
2. An alpha out competes their peers for the best options and is desired by top candidates of the opposite sex, while the same sex wants to emulate them. A promiscuous woman is an Omega, desired mostly by undesirable candidates and not respected by others.
3. Hypergamy means seeking a superior sociological or educational background. Men aren't hypergamous; otherwise, women with Ph.Ds and billionaires would be dating the most desirable men, which isn't the case.
4. Neuroplasticity is feature not a bug, therefore men should only marry women under 24 so that the brain is shaped in the loving context of marriage and not college parties
5. The men that women find most attractive are not seeking women over 25. Michael himself is like 50 dating a 20 year old. If a woman wants the most desirable man she should marry young and not have been promiscuous because she can someone but she cannot get "the one" she wants because "the one" she wants has lots of what are known as OPTIONS.
Michael was really nice to her. I think the other redpolls guy made her soooo much more defensive than she needed to be with you. You were actually very respectful.
It's terrible that the Western World is normalizing this behavior, but from an economic point of view, Jafar's logic makes perfect sense. It discourages you if you are working in a conventional occupation and still obtaining low pay despite the long hours and effort you put in. It disincentivizes you to pursue that career path. If you pursue a career doing OnlyFans, you can make ten times more money with a fraction of the headache and frustration of working at a regular job. I think our society needs to revise the incentive structure if we do not want to normalize sex work.
. . . . . .IF you're attractive enough. IF.
Problem is the West is built on capitalism so revising the incentive structure means telling the West to care less about pursuing wealth, status and fame and that will never ever happen.
The deterioration of morals and values was an inevitable consequence given the foundation of the country’s economic structure.
Sadly, Jafar is just a product of her time. If all those thousands of men were not subscribed to her page, she would never have left a career as a lawyer. She is willing to commodify her body and sex life just for a pretty dime. Can't begin to imagine how torn her parents are.
jazmen got torn to shreds by jeff cooper and F&F with her many half-truths, deliberate distortions and her frequent use of disproved theorems regarding sexual behavior.
No, she didn't.
@@josewmeldondo Did.
Didn't
@@josewmeldondo Did times 10.
Didn't times infinity.
My question coming into this: Will these women acknowledge the plight of the average man? Spoiler alert. No they don’t. They default to the top men.
My critique of Farha is typically that she is arguing with a made up caricature in her head and never listens to what the other person is actually saying. She didn’t talk as much but I found Jazmen to more often than not be doing this same thing. You can see the evidence of this by the multiple times she articulates Michael’s point incorrectly back to him. The biggest display of this was her frequent inability to see when they agreed and would cut him off to say something that was exactly in line with what he was saying.
After fhara admitted she was a government sponsored psyop i have no clue how anyone could ever entertain any of these dingbats again for a single second.
Pass!
Michael, clean your room
I hate people who constantly interrupt themselves and can't complete a thought or a sentence. That's Jazmen.
Micheal is doing the nest job at talking with these too. He’s actually communicating to understand and these two just listen to respond. Very impressed. Micheal is the goat! Idc
The “nest job”? Is Micheal secretly a bird or a goat? MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND!
Michael should understand she is arguing to just argue, she is doing it in bad faith. She is giving push backs to be relevant. Deep down she knows whats right but if she would agree, her attention pool wont grow, which is sourced from redpill podcasts where she is only invited coz she is giving pushbacks. Now if michael already understand that and trying to monetize this situation and still bullying viewres by telling them " mofos I aint call them names". Viewers need to leave these people alone. This is not entertainment, this is trap. Its not that men didnt know what attracts women before these podcasts began.
Nope. Cant do it.
Farha lives in my building, funny how I’ve seen her day to day and she 100% is the biggest instigator of disagreement everywhere she goes
Should've pushed a bit more on pair bonding
Jazmen: I’m the alpha male in my relationship.
Wild watching her literally saying she doesn’t respect her man and acting like this relationship is gonna work. Just like destiny seeing nothing wrong with his marriage then it falls apart exactly the way you think it would.
Run
Fucking facts, it was depressing seeing destiny not realize he was the victim being used for so long
Disgusting
Praise to everyone in this space I’m taking notes because it takes beyond strength to speak to brick walls
lol the way Jayzmen constantly looks down on Michael throughout the interview is hilariously off-putting. Throws a jab at him at every opportunity and he just lets it wash over him. I respect the calmness.
Thank you for this conversation guys, it's not easy to find intellectual value in these spaces. Both sides were clearly really well educated on this topic and it just goes to show that we can come to the table and discuss things like adults, and actually, we probably all agree on many things. Great job!
Imaging going home to that fake lawyer. I would defiantly cheat and I’m not a cheater 😂
She's not a fake lawyer. And you probably won't have anyone to cheat on anyway.
@@josewmeldondo she is and you’re triggered 🤣
No, she isn't, and no, I'm not. You probably don't know the meaning of the word.
One point you forgot regarding health, fitness and womens body type. Men, generally speaking will go fir the one that seems like the least effort to keep. Its also not necessarily that even some men like big women. More often than not, its that he knows thats all he can get.
@Dimllll773 agreed. Was thinking to bring up the fetish, but I wasn't sure if that would get the comment deleted. Never know with yourube.
@Dimllll773 also. Isn't it only one particular small vilage in africa where big is the preference They make it sound like all african men are down with it. Ya look at the average african. They are slim, not thick.
Ps. Just searched it. Average weight for woman in africa is 123lbs to 141lbs. That definitely pre *thick*
Given what ive seen in her other interviews. This is not a lawyer I'd want representing me. A lot of the time she just seems to be repeating nice sounding things she wants to believe are true. Things shes heard somewhere that have nothing to back them up.
Study after study’s says men are completely indifferent to a woman’s socioeconomic status. Doesn’t make her more or less attractive. Jazmen is talking out of her ass as usual
Shout out to the NGOs trying to criminalize the Redpill
Shut up. The Redpill saves lives and is the truth about female nature. You are wrong and ignorant
You are a traitor who hates men.
You are wrong
2:09:00 Andrew Wilson will not debate you? hes afraid to debate you?
has he not debated both these girls twice? Farha conceded and Jasmine could not substantiate her points.
But I can see why Andrew would not debate Farha for a 3rd time there is no substance,interest or entertainment hell she spends all her time just "asking questions"
as if she's trying to understand the position of her opposition but then if asked to steel man their position to show her competence in understanding their
stance what does she do... ask more questions. Her Daria Khalifa impression also gets old you see even in this discussion (since there was no debate) she is pretty
much a non factor in the conversation.
Bruh...
1 cant read a graph and her bf cant watch adult content...
The other siliconed on steroids and says looks dont matter while arguing for class based dating and non commitment...
They cant even repeat destiny points correctly
Farha is really going to just throw out an incorrect statistic from “Dr. David Buss” to Mike Sartain. lol. The audacity.
WOW! after this Podcast I am a fan of @MichaelSartain. He is the Godfather of numbers and stats. Love ur work man!
This conversation makes clear that the difference between men and women is not that women are hypergamous and men aren’t. As pointed out, both are “hypergamous.” Instead, it’s because men can benefit much more from promiscuity than women.
Genetic success ~ number of children x quality of children
In the case of men, the number of children factor increases with number of partners, but not for women.
You, as well as Michael Sartain, have confused hypergamy with optimization. Think about that for a second. Hypergamy is not simply pursuing 'better', it is an active, hard-wired rejection of anything BELOW a certain standard. I.e., once a woman has had a '9', she CAN'T feel attraction for '6s' anymore. If she perceives herself to be a '7' she can't feel attraction for a '6' either. And you know what most women think of themselves . . . . . .
@@williamclayton9566 ok and if she finds two guys that are above her standard…? She chooses the best of the two. Consider yourself refuted.
@@socrates2788 That does not refute anything I said. You, too, have confused hypergamy with optimization. EVERYONE all the time wants "better" - that's optimization. The difference is that the man that can't get a '10' to commit (but may have banged one when she was drunk) can be perfectly happy with a '7', whereas with a woman that's a '6' may have only rejected a few 9s & 10s on Tinder and never dated or even met up with them is now unconsciously convinced that she can get all kinds of '8s' to marry her, AND that said '8' is beneath her and that if she were to marry the 8 she' be 'settling' - i.e., she'll never be happy.
22:27 where's the show with Nicolette?
So much whining.
1:53:40 All commentors on F&F are 13-year-olds? 😂
1:50:20 Who needs them to suffer? Sounds like a straw man.
1:51:26 Again? F&F ask them simple questions and they give insane answers.
2:03:22 Literally you Michael. 😂 It's true if that's what everybody thinks.
2:03:36 Ok grandad.
Farha needs mental help. Her views on porn/etc are bizarre.
You gave them clout congrats
What happens to all these young men that don't have family's? Michael said more men are single than women . But they don't talk about what that will do to society in the future .
They don't give a fuck about men, they're wallets to be drained and that's it, these women have no respect
Michael is definitely giving as little pushback as possible. She says you are unlucky that you molested little kids and go to jail. His response, “True but we should put them in prison.” The correct answer is they aren’t lucky at all Michael.
Seriously? I totally countered their point about hypergamy and you think I gave them a “little pushback”?
It’s crazy how your psychological bias only allows you to hear what you want to hear.
@@MichaelSartain my example of how she characterized people who molest children and do bad things aren’t bad and are just unlucky you were like “yeah probably but put them in jail still.” So put people in jail because they are unlucky, not because they are evil.
@MichaelSartain you didn't call her a 304 constantly so now you will be labeled a simp welcome to the club michael lol😂
@@animefanforlife163 I didn’t punch them in the head so I’m a simp now 🤣🤣🤣
I blame the simps !!!
I’m not sure why you are still doing interviews with these types of women? I just skip now until I see an actually decent guest in your show.
We all know what these type of women are about & have done the rounds a million times & try to get clout in all the shows. Disproving them means nothing for men. We know what they are. Would much prefer content that builds men up & helps them, rather than showing what these women are over & over. Nothing against you Michael at all, but I just think this type of interviewing with these women has run its coarse a long time ago.
You're wrong.
@@josewmeldondo lol. Such an intelligent response
Thanks. Unlike yours.
@@josewmeldondo lol. I truly hope you find these type of women in your life. Good luck mate.
At least I can find women, unlike you.
no it is totally fine to use the word "hypergamy" in a different context. there is in fact a physical side of hypergamy, size, strength, looks, etc...that is very much a part of female hypergamy
Sometimes I wonder if the goal is to actually confront the nonsense in a demonstrable way, ensure that they will come back on the show, have you on their show, lock in future 3some candidates, or all of the above.
🤦🏼♀️
DiBrava! At least there’s one wonderful woman here!
@@Sighthound-Siege❤😂
For hypergamy, she constantly confuses correlation with causation. It's true that as a general rule, most people tend to end up marrying across their socio-economic status structure rather than up or down. However, studies have clearly shown that a woman's socio-economic status is not a major factor in mate selection by men, while it is a huge factor for women. The reason billionaires don't marry barista's has more to do with the social circle that the run in than the actual status. In essence, people tend to marry people they socialize a lot with, and since billionaires hang out with billionaires, they tend to marry each other.
Also, the data from online dating sites clearly shows that 80% of the woman are only replying to the top 20% of men. This is to be expected because a study showed that when women have more mate options (or the perception of more options) they tend to be selective in mate selection.
I didn’t watch the debate mainly because these two are intolerable, I had to comment when I seen my dude Andrew Wilson comment on these two talking trash after AW already destroyed both of them in a debate. I’m hoping MS at least checked them on that asinine comment, knowing AW already debated them both
Michael got the best out of Jazmen.. She is really not a bad as her rep is in the RP-space. I always knew she was intelligent, but not attacking her, brings out the positive side of her. You can disagree with someone's views and life choices, without attacking them.
@Wushu-viking She is not that intelligent. She makes many mistakes.
I’m surprised there is so much negativity. This was a good, interesting discussion!
I feel like Michael back tracked in this debate.
He absolutely conceded way too much ground. The lawyer was jumping to some seriously way off conclusions.
Wow, it’s incredible how you guys totally missed the part where I countered their main argument about hypergamy.
It’s like you didn’t even watch the debate 🤣🤣🤣
You needed me to reach over and punch them or something
@@MichaelSartain They wanted blood to feel good or something.
He was surely rattled, perhaps he should have had some backup
@@cbsguy6363 again, you have no counter to what I just said so you make up more nonsense. This is why you will always be poor and be a failure.🤣🤣🤣 I used fact and reason in order to win this debate. You don’t understand what that looks like because you want people to scream at each other.
Great interview Michael. I wasn't aware how educated and accomplished you are in your career. Please post more debates with interesting people.
Jazmen continues her streak of winning every debate she is in with facts and logic. She is unbeatable.
Her IQ and level of articulation is really really impressive.
Still ain’t finna sub to her OF tho
What universe are you from 🤣🤣🤣
The done at 30 thing does not come from men. That originated from other women.
Also. Her being done at 30 is not a result of men, but more so this phenomenon we have see more and more often projected online. Done at 30 comes from her, as thats when she typically decides her stands have to go up and not down.
If shes not finding what she wanted. Its likely because for her, what she wanted was not obtainable, even in her prime.
A study conducted in Australia indicates that when women are primary breadwinners, instances of intimate partner violence and infidelity tend to rise. In addition, based on data regarding wages and prescription medication in Denmark, men who earn less than their wives are more inclined to use erectile dysfunction medication compared to men who are the primary breadwinners, even if the income gap is minimal. I think this shows that while men and women are economically and socially equal, men like to feel powerful (and women respect men who are equal or above their socio-economic status).
#REDPILLUP
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@@josewmeldondo 😂🫡
Stop platforming these 304’s
Andrew has already roasted these two 304’s, on multiple occasions. The demons are screeching again. 🙄
Jafar is failing to understand that attraction triggers of men aren't the only factor that influences male marriage choices, in practice. In other words, the women that men choose to marry doesn't give you a direct correlation with what men find attractive in women. Men don't choose or leave girlfriends/wives purely with attraction as the motivator behind behavior (in men, emotion and impulses are suppressed by other things like internal goals, internal morals, etc by default)
An extreme example is an Absolute Monarch marrying the daughter of another King for an alliance, breeding a successor, etc. His choice of wife is not influenced by attraction at all. This marriage would tell an alien, using this King as a study sample, absolutely nothing about what that man's "heart's" attraction triggers are (as in what his heart truly wants).
But, the king's mistress who he keeps undercover would tell you a whole lot more about his attraction triggers.
Male partner choices are influenced by reputation, ambition/goals, family opinion/compatibility, genetics that the kids will inherit, etc. The more successful the man, the more likely his choice of wife is going to be influenced by such non-attraction (non-emotion) driven things.
It's why very rich men used to marry tall supermodels with Masters degrees from a prominent family which the guy displays like an accessory and this trophy wife is otherwise bored and unhappy at home on vallium and red wine staring at Jose the Poolboy, but this Rich man also has a short sexy mistress who he met at McDonalds and takes on trips to the Bahamas, etc ("business trips").
Woman 1 is useful for reputation, goals, ambition, breeding, etc in ways that don't involve romantic emotion...and was chosen accordingly
Woman 2 is for everything that involves romantic emotion/impulses.
That 304 LAWYER is getting LARGE!!!!
Jazmen is not an attorney
Commenting to support the channel.
I liked the conversation. Hope you guys get to have the free will conversation
World famous model lol😂😂😂😂 straight cap
I would like to correct something the host said about the Castle Doctrine, otherwise referred to a defense-of-habitation laws. The Castle Doctrine dates to the English common law, and in a nutshell, states that it is lawful to use deadly force to repel intrusion into one’s home. It is still good law in most state, including California(see Penal Code § 198.5), Michael’s assertion notwithstanding.
I think there may be some confusion between the Castle Doctrine and stand-your-ground laws, which were not part of the common law and are entirely of statutory creation. Stand-your-ground laws differ in that they extend, the Castle Doctrine beyond the habitation, to varying degrees in the states that have them.
From a member of the California Bar
Interesting conversation. I’m surprised Farha didn’t push back much. When I’ve seen her have conversations with Destiny it’s like her default setting is “Debate.”
*In Jazmen's debate with Andrew,* she exposed how she has a subjective moral framework - and that she believes all people do. Based on that, it makes no sense for her to disagree with another person's ideology because their moral framework is equal to hers.
What Michael failed to address is that feminism and hypergamy contradict each other. Also, both genders were brainwashed to believe in equality but the men that believe in equality are getting punished in society - she doesn't want equal, she wants a leader (which is not equal).
The issue with feminists is that they want to be treated like a traditional lady while simultaneously having feminist ideals. Basically to have their cake and eat it.
As a man, you need to realize that feminism is here in the West to stay and we're at the point of diminishing returns - it's no longer a benefit to the economy as it once was.
My secular advice: Date and don't commit here. Then go overseas to find a wife.
My religious advice: Go overseas to find a wife.
Straight up, this conversation made my insides twist. Idek why I listened. These women are incentivized to downplay the negative effects of pornography (and OF), so watching them pick and choose biased studies; and swerve around language to make being a beta at the end sound like the better lifestyle choice… as purely disgusting as it is; you have to almost expect it. Incentives rule everything. Theirs is to make you weak (ie. more likely to pay for their service). God I hated this conversation. You could even hear Mike groan a little whenever they started back up.
That chick with the glasses is actually a pretty good speaker
Mental gymnastics to not accept that hypergamy is a fact
Gonna need lots of popcorn for this one. 😆
Tigs!
Nice picture of the three of you. Your guests are quite knowledgeable.
Her rationalizations and deliberate distortions of facts all stem from her desperate urge to convince herself that she hasn't failed as a woman - when, in fact, she has. She very clearly wants a man in her life and wants that man to be better than her, but she can't hold onto such a guy. You can see her subconscious screaming at the pain of her loneliness and failures with high value men.
Mike should reach out to both Alexander Grace and MTR and see if either or both would come onto access vegas with the ladies. Would be good content
Been waiting for a debate with these two lol
Def should also get Pxie & Erin on for a debate too!
They’re busy taking over SOS Cast. “Divide and conquer”
Worst idea I ever heard
2:01 bar exam is hazing. Good job zero pushback
These women’s advice/ opinion is ridiculously biased. They are both attractive and not close to making an average wage. Their advice is the equivalent to Grant Cardone saying just make money, it’s easy
both of these women are insufferable
This is the first ‘red pill’ guy that I didn’t find repulsive and stupid.
Jazmen is not hot and she got kicked off f and f fast i had a sore head from this 2 hours
damn...fast debating...for the slow pokes like me switch to 0.75 speed
Hats to these chicks partners. They are certainly more tolerant of argumentative women or just betas.
Good job Michael.. 👍
No. It’s Crazy
Farha loves a double standard.
At some point, both girls just needed to take "yes" for an answer. At 51:15, JJ seems to do it, while at the same time it seemed she was thinking that she got Mike to come over to her way of thinking. Sigh. Whatever gets you to the afterglow, Princess.
1:49:18 Forbidding the guy from talking to other women while she openly looks to replace him for a long-term partner is genuinely wild, even by "alpha male" standards. She even claims he's madly in love with her. Never seen such an advanced form of cuckoldry...
I like her, she makes these men have to come with more to say then just body count, cheating isn’t bad, and marriage sucks. You GO GIRL!!!
Lol, everytime she tries to challenge anyone in RP they make her look like a complete idiot
No, they don't @alexharris2495
@@josewmeldondo lol y'all might like lying to yourselves, but people who live in reality see what's going on
Not lying, just facts @alexharris2495
@@josewmeldondo lol, the only fact is that they have been ruthlessly eviscerated by everyone they went up against. Saint and sinner, Andrew Wilson, Michael knowles(where farha showed that she couldn't even read a graph properly), sartain, rollo, fresh and fit...... list goes on and on
why does the internet say michael sartain is 68?
Mike - don't confuse hypergamy with optimization. EVERYBODY optimizes, all the time. They just use different combinations of criteria.
get andrew wilson to debate these 304s, id love to see an actual debate not whatever tf this was
This was a discussion on a topic with some differences, not a debate.
Capp again smh
Michael loves 304 because its gets him three somes, what a weak man. Real men dont have three somes with their main