They stayed friends so long because there weren't any opportunities to scam the group, before... This was the first in-person Fanfest in several years. It was the perfect opportunity. Wouldn't shock me if those two were scamming people IRL in the mean time.
Thank you for reacting to this Xeno! People like these 2 Scammers should be exposed to potentially help someone down the line that they may try to scam. It's insane to think you can't even trust people you call friends...But as they say, it's almost never people you don't know who will steal from you or even unalive you, it's usually people you know or call friends or even family...Be careful out there everyone, question and follow up on everything people say or promise! Edit: Xeno lore D: I've had something similar happen to me too, only difference was it was my cousin who was f&cking my GF at the time behind my back. Left her instantly, and beat my cousin's ass, then told his mama and she beat his ass lolol
if you believe you can just blindly trust your family imo that is foolish. Betrayal is almost never done by a stranger, it is done by a close friend or relative in the majority of cases.@@Chaoskoch
@@ikeaira8701 that is why I have relatives but I choose family after much time and testing, but my trust is still limited because humans make bad decisions (we all do).
So my group of friends also got screwed over by Sume(He was known as Sumo back then or Kartel Baruha). The FC leader and some of the guildies knew him from Coil and when I met him was around the 2nd branch of the Alexander raid release. We had dated for almost a yr and Fanfest 2016 was the event we thought we were going to have a great time at. He boasted about owning a company and he had lots of money, he said he had reserved a suite at the hotel that the convention was going to be held at. He also said he was going to pay for a guildmates ticket and airline ticket so that he could join up with everyone at the FC that was going. Well the day of that people were starting to get ready to fly out to Vegas and the FC leader gets a call from the guildie at like 3 or 4am saying that there is no ticket reservation at the airport and Sumo was not replying. So then the guild leader woke me up to try and contact Sumo since I had his phone number, he had blocked my number and Facebook and he did the same to the majority of the other people from the guild, I guess he forgot who all was a part of the guild because the people who didn't get blocked could see his profile but we couldn't. So no airline ticket made us wonder if theres even a hotel reservation, guess what? There wasn't. FC leader was freaking out and I'm pretty much in shock, since the night before he kept saying how excited he was to finally meet and how much fun Vegas is gonna be. So FC had to get 2 rooms for lodging so that like 7-8ppl had a place to sleep which cost her $1200 and she also bought a airline ticket for the guildie who had his family drive him like 1hr to the airport. The dude disappeared and we never saw him again until a friend just msg'd me about this vid. I was a little skeptical but the moment I heard his voice from the stream, he's def the same guy who pulled this shady crap at 2016 Fanfest. He didn't ask for money(that I know of) but almost everyone in our guild group got tickets, I'm not sure if we were like a test run to see if he could do it or if he just gets enjoyment out of lying to people like he did.
@@sammicoporsammicopor Eh.... The leader of a major FC on Courel is fucking loaded. I heard him and his boyfriend arguing over the purchase of a $10k outdoor chair. Not because it was bought, but because he thought the color was ugly and he wanted a different one instead. Dude posted up money for food for all his FC members anytime they went out and had a penthouse suit at the Aria for the duration of Fan Fest. He wasn't a business owner though, I believe he was a surgeon or something.
a clear psychopath behavior, square enix need to do something about this person. It is not acceptable that they can let this type of person use their platform/game to look for victims.
36:30 Had a friend for years basically go haywire after he was introduced to an ex-girlfriend of a mutual. He started sending her messages in secret, he started making up stories to turn them against each other (they hadn't dated for years), he started telling those of us uninvolved made up stories about both of them to get us to alienate her and him, the list goes on. She was totally rational and told everyone about it right away and he just kept digging his hole deeper and deeper until he one day blew up when they confronted him together and we never saw him again. Some dudes can go completely sideways about ladies, man. Hope your friend is doing okay... okay enough so he can tell you he's sorry.
I mean I raided in a static with my boyfriend and it went fine, but he knows he KNOWS to not mess around with my stuff. But both people of the couple NEED to be there for a purpose, for a reason and not mess around. They need to act right and have the goal in mind.
Exactly. It’s one thing to be a ass online, but it’s another to put people IN HARM by ditching them in another State that they’re unaware without a place to stay. That deserves harassment 😅
What's insane to me is that it probably took them more time and effort to go through this scam (earning peoples trust and going through all the lies and such) than it would to earn that amount of money from just working. Have to wonder how those losers sleep at night, knowing that they just think of other people as money making opportunities and likely don't have any true friends.
Ironically I once asked a scammer (who did something minor) the question as to why putting this much effort into something that pays off so little... his response was "because of the thrill of it; the idea you can make people trust you so completely only to utterly shatter that trust with a single action"
I think they just didn't value these people at all and when they were down to just up and disappear they decided to leave a parting gift. Again either for the thrill or the sick satisfaction. But yeah it likely wasn't just for the money.
@@AshAsmodeus Yup same logic why lots of people cheat in relationships. There's a thrill/high associated with doing something bad and trying not to get caught.
that same guy scammed my friends in 2016 fanfest, did the exact same shit where he said he got their tickets and hotel then ghosted them on the actual fanfest day
They could try and just lie about having the funding for legal actions. The story seems to blow up now and it is not unlikely that some lawyer gives them a discount and other sending funds. A thread could be enough to at least scare them into sending something back.
Unfortunately, unless these guys have the actual legal names of the scammers (a lot of scammers hide behind an alias) it would be extremely hard to get legal punishment. If they want the $$$ they could go to small claims court but often it is more trouble than it is worth. The best they could do is file a police report in their jurisdiction or the scammer's jurisdiction (again need the real legal names).
Unfortunately that’s not true. If you willingly gave them the money then whatever they do with it at that point is fair game. That’s how all the ticket scammers and shit online never get caught, because technically there wasn’t a crime committed since they volunteered the money
Red flags in the first 10 minutes: - $105 to probably spend on stuffed animals - "I'm gonna bot you guys some tickets" - cheaper "child tickets" for the Hotel - "gimme your mogstation logins"
Looking into this just a little more in depth, it looks like they have more than one character: Yuuniel Nuve (Yunni), Gilgamesh Aether: 16038915 -> Ramuh Meteor: 40029366 Kromix Nuvela (Sume), Gilgamesh Aether: 20578417 -> Ramuh Meteor: 40029918 -> Odin Light: 40028636 -> Lich Light: 37117228 All of these characters share the same character model as their mains, although not the same hairstyles were used, the faces are set the exact same way. Lodestone numbers don't change even with a name change, so making note of this would be a good idea. I can only paste lodestone numbers as TH-cam's algorithm will automatically delete this comment otherwise. Another character on that came up in the lodestone search for 'Kromix Nuvela' is a female Au'ra in Brynhildr Crystal: 42844328 As I can't think of anywhere that the name 'Kromix Nuvela' could've been from -- anime, manga or whatever else, it's safe to assume that this is also another alt.
Someone else just commented here that their friend was scammed by Sume for the 2016 fanfest, same situation. So they've done this and will continue to do this. SE should look into this situation and ban all their accounts.
I mean, they can just make new accounts? You won't be able to track them then. If they are scammers and want money, don't see a reason why they wouldn't just make a brand new account and try again.
I saw a chatter say "In the grand scheme of things, 1500 is not that much money. Why would they blow up a longtime friendship over that?" The answer is simple, when you are actually broke as fuck pretending to be rich, 1500 is a lot of money. Source: I'm fuckin poor as shit and 1500 is more than I have total. If I broke a bone tomorrow I would be ultra fucked. Granted I don't front being rich to my friends, but 1500 is definitely a lot when you are super poor in reality.
I doubt they are poor its moreso that this is how they operate, the fanfest scam was the one of many scams that they did I mean "Yuuni" unironically wrote down other victims they scammed and said "dont blame us for losing your money". And that is only in one discord server. They probably are rich but from stealing others money, that's how scammers operate
Bruh, this whole situation seems sus from the jump. There's no way I'm getting on an airplane and flying somewhere without having my ticket in hand (or phone) and my hotel reservation confirmed. It sucks that this happened to them, but they should have known better.
Though I think the victims could have been smarter about it, I think the issue is that they misplaced their trust in friends they knew for over half a decade. Conmen play with emotions to override the logic of their victims.
Yeh especially if the girlfriend isn't really wanting to do savage and just doing for him but then shes your healer for Asphedelos and youre stuck on P3S for months coz she cant do fountain of fire and cant do heal check after living dead thing
Never play with couples 1. They are normies most likely 2. 1 of the two is likely bad and getting carried or both are equally not that great but they get pity points because of their relationship 3. Inevitable drama
My FC was led by a couple and we formed a static for shadowbringers raiding. We were doing cloud of darkness and his gf kept fucking up every fucking single pull. I refuse to deal with that shit anymore.
I really feel for those guys, I’ve never been in a situation anything like this but with everything explained I can see how easy it was to fall into. I raid with a two friends who are a couple and we do really well together. I guess I should feel blessed. Cheers for giving the story more exposure.
We had a Miqo'te couple take ~70 million gil while cussing out the most wholesome FC lead for not immediately making them leader. Needless to say, we give heads up to every FC they join.
Gotta say, you brought back some bad memories of a similar situation with a friend xeno bit hearing it from you makes me a little better about everything and how it's changed me
Number 1 rule: Do not involve friends and money. If you do, it better be like 10 dollars for a good meal when they can't afford food or they are literally dying and need money to live and they don't have the money themselves.
Nah those guys are just scum bags. I went to fan fest and we all pitched in and what not and it was a fun experience for us all. Friendship of 7 years and we all met for the for first time and it was all worth it. They just unfortunately got super fucked over by these two waste of sperm cells.
That's a great rule if you base all your interactions with other people on absolute distrust and never intend to have close/meaningful relationships. The actual truth is that there's no "rule" that will bring you perfect security AND perfect relationships. The best you can do is believe the people in your life, while still allowing yourself to look for red flags. The situation these folks in the video went through isn't their fault because they "broke the most important rule"; the situation was absolutely too good to be true, and it would have been better if they could realize that, but malicious people took advantage of them. It didn't happen in a vacuum. Bad people did a bad thing. You can and should set your own boundaries, and even clearly communicate with people about them, but trying to deal in absolutes will only drive people away.
@@sird31mos Not lending people money is not absolute distrust. It's healthy. Like I said, if it's something small or life-threatening, then sure. But there are many other qualities in friendships to form meaningful relationships. This situation is why the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished" exists. They were nice players trying to do a nice thing and bad people took advantage and screwed them over. So what about me saying don't lend money to a friend unless they are in absolute dire straights is untrue or means you can never form good bonds with others?
@@kkin4438 This wasn't a money lending situation though so not sure why you're framing it like that. The group were pooling their money together and the two scammers were the ones who were gonna purchase the tickets and provide the hotel expenses.
I can relate to the best friend story. It was so confusing because we had been friends for a decade, and I never would have expected her to do what she did. It's so true that you never truly know someone.
Chat: Turn it up, we cant hear it! Xeno: It's already at max Chat: Download a Chrome extension to turn it louder than max Xeno: Ok Me, an adult with functional eardrums: Um....the audios fine? Are yall deaf or what?
Windows audio mixing is weird, there's times I have my FFXIV dialed down to 50% volume with BGM off (I like to still hear certain effects when I'm just gathering or fishing or something) and a TH-cam video running in the background at 100% and I still can't hear the video as it keeps getting drowned out.
I passed out in the middle of a surgery after they had me sit on a backless stool and busted my teeth. I talked to lawyers due to how expensive this incident caused me, along with pain and suffering. Not a single lawyer would take the case because they couldn't profit off of it enough. I now live in pain everyday. A lawyer definitely wouldn't take a case for something as small as this.
About to ramble a bit but holy shit. When Xeno said you never truly know someone and he had his best friend end their friendship of 10 years over a woman I fucking felt that. I had my "best friend" of nearly 13 years end our friendship over a woman with no explanation that "best friend" completely ghosted me. It still fucks with me to this day and set the tone for my friendships going forward, but like Xeno said you fuckin learn from this stuff and learn to hopefully spot these types of people before a situation like this happens. Really glad you reacted to this so it gets out more and so people can be wary of these two and maybe see in their own friendships some huge red flags. I really hate it when stuff like this happens to folks.
I help random PF parties, help statics, often pass on loot in hopes to change peoples minds on how they view Lala's. Had friends who got scammed by Decorators who I helped free of charge as well. And then you have these two... It's utterly disgusting that they treated friendship like its worth nothing more then stabbing them in the backs. They are apparently already being witch hunted on my DC as they moved to Dynamis Seraph... Those two should be beyond ashamed. You give Lala's a bad name! mhm
After Reading this I feel a bit bad for "cool lalas". Problem is always you meet one nice Person but 5 assholes. I did Eureka with a random lala guy for a few days and he was really nice and we Had a great time. Then I meet a Lala in Bozja and she was an absolute dick, belittling everyone in shout Chat. And dont get me started on PvP lalas with 4× Scholar or Dark Knight premades.
These people are too nice for their own good. I would have been turning up calling these two liars and scammers @everyone in the group thread weeks beforehand. I feel like this friend group needs more gay people because after her little defense post talking about throwing up someone would have been like "puke again scammer biatch"
Having more gay people wouldn't have helped. I used to have a whole gay group going and like girl.... The drama was constant and it was full of fake people. Like man... It really sucked.
Oh fuck, a couple. I'm not even surprised. I've had extremely bad experiences with ALL couples encountered ingame, be it WoW for 10 years or FFXIV for 3 years. It's one of my ultimate redflag playing in a group/guild now. Ingame dramas, outside of the game dramas. Loot dramas. Love triangle dramas. Shady ass fuck schemes and bullshit. OH HELL NAAAAAH 💀💀💀
For future reference for everyone, like 4 days after the lottery you are able to buy tickets, once you submit your payment you get QR code / print version of it and etc, I got my ticket on March 6 for example, I guess this will depend on the place the convention is made or the online retailer for tickets, but waiting for a ticket right before the fan fest on a digital world is very very fishy. This is a really unfortunate situation, but I highly recommend people to just handle the trip by themselves all they can, not depend on other to manage the trip and this way you have control of the situation (in every trip something always happens imagine just giving control to someone else so more things end up happening).
I have raided with couples before and it sucks. the wife was a very shitty low dps black mage and the husband was a fairly good Warrior. We could not kick out the black mage for the sole reason that she must raid with the husband and also She is the FC leader of our all FC raid team. Her lack of dps and poor communication has prevented us from clearing a few raid tier cuz we always hit enrage and we cant go overtime of out raid schedule cuz of the husband at home job
If you look at the comments Jason Charles Miller commented saying hes sorry hearing about this and wish he knew and would have come and hung out with them, such a class act
This is so insane to me. I was able to get fanfest tickets for 3 people and myself. I immediately gave the QR code/confirmation email of the tickets as SOON as I bought them to my friend group. This makes me feel so bad because no one deserves to be scammed, especially by people they called "friends". What scumbags. :/ EDIT: Just saw the end where they sent that screenshot that was found on reddit. Yuck.
The worst part about all of this is the payout. They lead these people on for so long and shattered several years of friendship for a couple thousand dollars.
I have met so many people online that say oh yea ill send you this or that and never do it. People just love that dopamine hit of others thinking you are giving without actually doing it
It sucks that he is holding onto a sliver of hope that this was all just a big misunderstanding. But when you jump ship to another server and change your names? That is very scammer behavior. Makes me wonder what made these people want to throw away a 6 year friendship for that. It’s terrible this happened to them. I hope they contacted their banks and got their money back!
@@Irisfantasies very true. The fact that they chose to run away and change their names speaks VOLUMES. If they were true friends I would think they would at least try to talk this out and explain why everything went down the way it did. But instead they took the cowards way out and left. Too bad for them, the lodestone still keeps their number no matter how many name changes they do.
@@StarRoseDragon5 I'd guess they probably start over on a new character. I checked the lodestone, it's all lvl 90s jobs for both of them, clearly a LOT of time went into those characters, but if they can't make any more money with them, I doubt sociopaths like them have any hesitation in moving on. Also, they clearly didn't consider the people they scammed friends, they were marks to them. They kept trying to milk the group over and over again, as was made apparent, were careful enough not to let them connect the dots and then cashed out with Fanfest. Admittedly, 1.5k for a 6 years worth of work integrating themselves into a group is beyond pitiful, but it's sociopaths. It also speaks volumes that they tried to gaslight their friends after the accusations came out, but as that clearly didn't work, they just bailed.
I love how they said they hadn't left yet, then turned around and said they turned back 3 hours from LV. I feel for these people, being scammed by friends sucks the worst.
If I understood this clearly, one of the couple said they hadn't left to one person, then the other one said they turned around to another person. So they clearly didn't get their stories straight with each other or just didn't think their "friends"/victims would compare notes. Or simply didn't care anymore at this point.
I basically gained huge trust issues with people online because of people I meet in FFXIV. I didn't lose out on any money, but I don't enjoy playing online games anymore.
Amenities: like hand soap, and those small bottles of shampoo and conditioner that hotels provide. It's not just limited to just those. That coffee machine in hotel rooms counts. Tv, and Internet too.
Dude this shit my hurt so bad. Such a big, wonderful event for players and they just had to ruin it for every single one of their "friends". They were still somewhat believable, if only they didn't steal a fucking screenshot. It's so awful. I would just break down. How can people be so cruel? I'm glad they still were able to have a good time. No matter how long you've known someone and how well you think know them, you always just have to be super careful, especially online where it's so easy to hide behind a screen and play pretend. Shit's dangerous.
I had no idea there was a Chrome extension that allows you to up the volume of audio playing in the browser. Thanks to whoever recommended that to Xeno as I will also be grabbing it myself.
I can’t sit back and say: you should have seen flags. It’s easy to do this as a spectator. But I wasn’t the one in a six year friendship with the two scammers. The fact that these two people actually took the time to talked to this FF14 group for six years, slowly earning trust, just to scam them shows how sick they are! You would think they would have pulled something crazy before six years but the waited until the group was vulnerable for fanfest. To leave a group of people stranded without shelter in the AZ heat. It’s insane.
i think the reason why people like this go for smaller amounts of money, like $1500, is because they know that barely anyone grabs a lawyer over this, because it would be much more expensive, so they get away with it. they probably already did stuff like that before and will continue doing it.
so basically it gets reduced to "people from questionable street intelligence gave money to someone they knew from the internet for something and are surprised when he scammed them", well let this be a lesson i guess, be glad you only lost money this time around
It's not the lottery issue, this was them trusting a friend. I got the code directly from a friend so i could buy the ticket myself, aka there was no need of a third party at all and if people did give money so someone else buys the ticket for you then, you ask for the ticket before paying at all.
@@imilkynoteYea they put too much trust on someone they never meet in person. Even with my irl friend i would verify and asks proof before i even hand them the money. I hope they learned their lessons and those scumbag couples get hit with karma soon.
This reminded me of that guy who betrayed the hardcore WoW raid group. He got into the guild, became friends with people, earned their trust, and waited over a year to screw them at the worst possible moment. Granted this guy only ran the con for a year, but he gained no money from it. It was just because he felt the group offended his morality on hardcore WoW, and he wanted to destroy it enough to waste a year of his life on it. Some people really are just wired differently.
Already got scammy the moment they bought tickets and didnt share the QR codes with the people who purchased them. Shit sometimes happens but if i’m the organiser, I want to make sure people can carry on without me, especially if they paid upfront. I’ve planned meetups and stuff with my friends before and i always made sure they have access to tickets or hotel room reserved forwarded to them and If anything happens to us then at most it’s personal expenses and no harm done. Also, i’m really salty because i’m playing with my husband for a year now and it’s always bad couples like this that give us a bad reputation… sigh
$350 "don't go crazy". Im ages from rich but you spend that much in the first half of the day in that city, that shoulda been the biggest red flag when I've bought a dinner from there for a third of that alone
Can relate to best friends story as well! I had a bff for years, she got a boyfriend and that boyfriend started trying to put moves on m,e, I told her and showed her messages and instead of leaving the guy for being a dog, she broke our friendship :(
As a software engineer I wouldve LOVED to pick the scammer guy's brain about the supposed "million dollar software" deal :) Obviously though, the couple are just pathological liars. As Xenos said they do not act like rich people. Rich people do not need to scam their friends for $1500, yet alone the 8 billion other lies they probably made up to seem well off. Dude probably just has money problems, lies about being rich to pretend he doesnt, then devised this scheme because he found himself in a substantial hole and couldnt get himself out.
I have no idea if they can or if it would even be worth it but man i wish those 2 scumbags get sued and charges filed against them cause if it counts over 1k is grand larceny and thats a felony
Crazy how low people can go just for $1500. And you wait since stormblood to scam $1500. How long does $1500 last? I planned trips myself, each pair can book their own room, just same schedule "we'll be in this hotel at these dates" So if one of us think the hotel is too expensive, they can go to cheaper hotel nearby. And we can just when we're not in the hotel.
There's so many stories like that on dynamis. i've been there from day 1 and it can be a lot like the countryside. its small, homegrown, and everyone seems to have a bit of a history
My JOB wouldn’t give me a hotel confirmation for a conference and i told them that i wasn’t leaving my house until i had the confirmation. And if I missed the drop off window for my dog prior to travel i wasn’t going period. You just dont fuck around with people’s travel
Gosh the stories I've experienced in a similar vein LOL. One "friend" of mine guilted me out and manipulated me until I bought him a like $300 custom bad dragon (ya know, toy). Also had a few say they needed to borrow money for internet. Never paid back. Like no skin off my back I'm a software engineer as my day job it's pocket change to me but definitely made me feel used and like the friendship was all about money. Which is just sad. After broseph got the bad dragon he started talkin mad about me, and I was like yo you only made friends so you could have a toy? NGL salted to this day LOL
fr it was emotional manipulation in my opinion and cause I have survived r*** and have trauma I AM a bleeding heart and people that get close to me know I am like the worst softy. But yeah when someone comes at me with their stuff I bleed for em. SADLY that means people that know that can exploit. EH >
Sometimes I think about the fact that none of myself or my friends won a ticket draw to fanfest cause the were people like this in the world getting them.
The way we deal with this in my group is proof first, money after. Never give money for something you have yet to get in your hands, no matter how much you trust the person.
Overall shitty situation especially in this economic state.. the fact they been "friends" for a very long time and the couple has no empathy to steal from their friends... That's overall shitty man I feel for them. This shows a basic rule of even you know these people for years is to never trust them especially virtually... I hope these scammers gets their karma and the community is aware that they wouldn't be bamboozled like this.
Rich people don't brag to be rich. Right there it's a huge red flag and I feel so bad for them because I was supposed to go to Vegas too for Fanfest and paid already for the rental and we couldn't go cause of an emergency but I told them to keep the money. I feel you Xeno, I am the type of person that wants to see the best from people but get burned.
I’ve met people like that before… it’s like they have a dissociation with reality. They make plans and such without any actual intention or ability to follow through. Then as the plans play out they make excuses and bail.
16:00 Ah i was thinking rich people wouldn't usually fly first class, from those i know they would be on the cheapest possible seats, but you did clarify you aren't rich and yes, upper middle class does tend to fly first class
Xenos: "I'm not rich" Also Xenos: Flies 1st class by default and spends $10k on a vegas vacation every 2 years or so Ah, rich people and their complete inability to realize they're rich XD
I don't think holding onto ticket info is shady, but I'm the mom friend in my group so I always hold the tickets and important information. Granted if asked to produce said information it is never a problem and is done when requested without any hurt feelings.
Traveling with others you never met before in person is a big ordeal. When it comes tickets and stuff money wise never trust it unless you have some kind of actual proof not just words.
They stayed friends so long because there weren't any opportunities to scam the group, before... This was the first in-person Fanfest in several years. It was the perfect opportunity. Wouldn't shock me if those two were scamming people IRL in the mean time.
are you serious! they got at most $1500 for EIGHT fucking years! You got 1st world issues
Wow...
Strummer never rented a hotel room in his life so he has no idea what amenities are.
Thank you for reacting to this Xeno! People like these 2 Scammers should be exposed to potentially help someone down the line that they may try to scam. It's insane to think you can't even trust people you call friends...But as they say, it's almost never people you don't know who will steal from you or even unalive you, it's usually people you know or call friends or even family...Be careful out there everyone, question and follow up on everything people say or promise!
Edit: Xeno lore D: I've had something similar happen to me too, only difference was it was my cousin who was f&cking my GF at the time behind my back. Left her instantly, and beat my cousin's ass, then told his mama and she beat his ass lolol
Based... The beating your cousins ass and leaving your ex. But sorry that happened to you.
@@3rdrick It is what it is, live and learn. Ty tho
if you believe you can just blindly trust your family imo that is foolish. Betrayal is almost never done by a stranger, it is done by a close friend or relative in the majority of cases.@@Chaoskoch
Yeah!!
@@ikeaira8701 that is why I have relatives but I choose family after much time and testing, but my trust is still limited because humans make bad decisions (we all do).
So my group of friends also got screwed over by Sume(He was known as Sumo back then or Kartel Baruha). The FC leader and some of the guildies knew him from Coil and when I met him was around the 2nd branch of the Alexander raid release. We had dated for almost a yr and Fanfest 2016 was the event we thought we were going to have a great time at. He boasted about owning a company and he had lots of money, he said he had reserved a suite at the hotel that the convention was going to be held at. He also said he was going to pay for a guildmates ticket and airline ticket so that he could join up with everyone at the FC that was going.
Well the day of that people were starting to get ready to fly out to Vegas and the FC leader gets a call from the guildie at like 3 or 4am saying that there is no ticket reservation at the airport and Sumo was not replying. So then the guild leader woke me up to try and contact Sumo since I had his phone number, he had blocked my number and Facebook and he did the same to the majority of the other people from the guild, I guess he forgot who all was a part of the guild because the people who didn't get blocked could see his profile but we couldn't.
So no airline ticket made us wonder if theres even a hotel reservation, guess what? There wasn't. FC leader was freaking out and I'm pretty much in shock, since the night before he kept saying how excited he was to finally meet and how much fun Vegas is gonna be. So FC had to get 2 rooms for lodging so that like 7-8ppl had a place to sleep which cost her $1200 and she also bought a airline ticket for the guildie who had his family drive him like 1hr to the airport. The dude disappeared and we never saw him again until a friend just msg'd me about this vid. I was a little skeptical but the moment I heard his voice from the stream, he's def the same guy who pulled this shady crap at 2016 Fanfest.
He didn't ask for money(that I know of) but almost everyone in our guild group got tickets, I'm not sure if we were like a test run to see if he could do it or if he just gets enjoyment out of lying to people like he did.
This guy needs to be prosecute.
Your mistake was believing someone was a wealthy company owner over an rpg mmo, that would have sounded suspicious to me from the get-go.
@@sammicoporsammicopor Eh.... The leader of a major FC on Courel is fucking loaded. I heard him and his boyfriend arguing over the purchase of a $10k outdoor chair. Not because it was bought, but because he thought the color was ugly and he wanted a different one instead. Dude posted up money for food for all his FC members anytime they went out and had a penthouse suit at the Aria for the duration of Fan Fest.
He wasn't a business owner though, I believe he was a surgeon or something.
a clear psychopath behavior, square enix need to do something about this person. It is not acceptable that they can let this type of person use their platform/game to look for victims.
@@PubstarHerokey words here "you" and "heared". If that held any weight, jails would be full of prisoners
That best friend story still eats at Xeno. You can see the hurt in his face Sadge.
Losing a best friend over something so stupid leaves a gnawing scar that never really goes away completely.
36:30 Had a friend for years basically go haywire after he was introduced to an ex-girlfriend of a mutual. He started sending her messages in secret, he started making up stories to turn them against each other (they hadn't dated for years), he started telling those of us uninvolved made up stories about both of them to get us to alienate her and him, the list goes on. She was totally rational and told everyone about it right away and he just kept digging his hole deeper and deeper until he one day blew up when they confronted him together and we never saw him again. Some dudes can go completely sideways about ladies, man. Hope your friend is doing okay... okay enough so he can tell you he's sorry.
Yoda died when he heard "Couple" never mess around with couples, their bias will always try to overwrite Fairness and Justness
I mean I raided in a static with my boyfriend and it went fine, but he knows he KNOWS to not mess around with my stuff. But both people of the couple NEED to be there for a purpose, for a reason and not mess around. They need to act right and have the goal in mind.
"The reason for this video is not to harass these 2"
Maybe not, be they sure as hell deserve it.
I agree 100%. I hope Karma hits em, make em lose something valuable.
@@sukjinaigoo716like their ability to breed offspring.
Exactly.
It’s one thing to be a ass online, but it’s another to put people IN HARM by ditching them in another State that they’re unaware without a place to stay.
That deserves harassment 😅
What's insane to me is that it probably took them more time and effort to go through this scam (earning peoples trust and going through all the lies and such) than it would to earn that amount of money from just working. Have to wonder how those losers sleep at night, knowing that they just think of other people as money making opportunities and likely don't have any true friends.
Ironically I once asked a scammer (who did something minor) the question as to why putting this much effort into something that pays off so little... his response was "because of the thrill of it; the idea you can make people trust you so completely only to utterly shatter that trust with a single action"
I think they just didn't value these people at all and when they were down to just up and disappear they decided to leave a parting gift. Again either for the thrill or the sick satisfaction. But yeah it likely wasn't just for the money.
@@AshAsmodeus Yup same logic why lots of people cheat in relationships. There's a thrill/high associated with doing something bad and trying not to get caught.
that same guy scammed my friends in 2016 fanfest, did the exact same shit where he said he got their tickets and hotel then ghosted them on the actual fanfest day
They could try and just lie about having the funding for legal actions. The story seems to blow up now and it is not unlikely that some lawyer gives them a discount and other sending funds.
A thread could be enough to at least scare them into sending something back.
Bruhhhh ther wont be any legal actions. You not going to court for a "pennys". It would cost you way more that you already lost
Unfortunately, unless these guys have the actual legal names of the scammers (a lot of scammers hide behind an alias) it would be extremely hard to get legal punishment. If they want the $$$ they could go to small claims court but often it is more trouble than it is worth. The best they could do is file a police report in their jurisdiction or the scammer's jurisdiction (again need the real legal names).
@@coolyeh1017 didn't they see their real names in the picture of the hotel reservation?
@@mirabaeonly Yes, because a scammer/pathological liar would use their legal name when taking out a reservation they can't actually pay for. /s
@@theoperator3712 🤷♀️
They honestly have enough grounds and means to identify these scammers to involve authorities and get them sent to prison.
Unfortunately that’s not true. If you willingly gave them the money then whatever they do with it at that point is fair game. That’s how all the ticket scammers and shit online never get caught, because technically there wasn’t a crime committed since they volunteered the money
Damn: "you rip me off, I'll blow out your whole fucking life."
He fucking banished them.
Red flags in the first 10 minutes:
- $105 to probably spend on stuffed animals
- "I'm gonna bot you guys some tickets"
- cheaper "child tickets" for the Hotel
- "gimme your mogstation logins"
RIGHT? how stupid do you have to be to fall for this?
Looking into this just a little more in depth, it looks like they have more than one character:
Yuuniel Nuve (Yunni), Gilgamesh Aether: 16038915
-> Ramuh Meteor: 40029366
Kromix Nuvela (Sume), Gilgamesh Aether: 20578417
-> Ramuh Meteor: 40029918
-> Odin Light: 40028636
-> Lich Light: 37117228
All of these characters share the same character model as their mains, although not the same hairstyles were used, the faces are set the exact same way. Lodestone numbers don't change even with a name change, so making note of this would be a good idea.
I can only paste lodestone numbers as TH-cam's algorithm will automatically delete this comment otherwise.
Another character on that came up in the lodestone search for 'Kromix Nuvela' is a female Au'ra in Brynhildr Crystal: 42844328
As I can't think of anywhere that the name 'Kromix Nuvela' could've been from -- anime, manga or whatever else, it's safe to assume that this is also another alt.
Someone else just commented here that their friend was scammed by Sume for the 2016 fanfest, same situation. So they've done this and will continue to do this. SE should look into this situation and ban all their accounts.
@@PeachyBeachBum we need frank castle
I mean, they can just make new accounts? You won't be able to track them then. If they are scammers and want money, don't see a reason why they wouldn't just make a brand new account and try again.
I saw a chatter say "In the grand scheme of things, 1500 is not that much money. Why would they blow up a longtime friendship over that?"
The answer is simple, when you are actually broke as fuck pretending to be rich, 1500 is a lot of money.
Source: I'm fuckin poor as shit and 1500 is more than I have total. If I broke a bone tomorrow I would be ultra fucked. Granted I don't front being rich to my friends, but 1500 is definitely a lot when you are super poor in reality.
I doubt they are poor its moreso that this is how they operate, the fanfest scam was the one of many scams that they did I mean "Yuuni" unironically wrote down other victims they scammed and said "dont blame us for losing your money". And that is only in one discord server. They probably are rich but from stealing others money, that's how scammers operate
Bruh, this whole situation seems sus from the jump. There's no way I'm getting on an airplane and flying somewhere without having my ticket in hand (or phone) and my hotel reservation confirmed. It sucks that this happened to them, but they should have known better.
Though I think the victims could have been smarter about it, I think the issue is that they misplaced their trust in friends they knew for over half a decade. Conmen play with emotions to override the logic of their victims.
They had trust and did see a hotel conformation but never followed up on it..sad situation. I agree about not going without tickets in hand atleast.
I don’t like raiding with couples. Never seen it work.
Yeh especially if the girlfriend isn't really wanting to do savage and just doing for him but then shes your healer for Asphedelos and youre stuck on P3S for months coz she cant do fountain of fire and cant do heal check after living dead thing
i mean im purple orange has a woman me and my hubby play together and were both purple orange in logs but in raid i treat my husband has a raider
@@xierotronthat is oddly specific 😂
@@Hugo-MTX96 i know and then imagine having to recruit another healer and have a secret extra raid day behind her back just to clear the tier
@@xierotron wild lmfao ya gotta do what ya gotta do tho ig
Never play with couples
1. They are normies most likely
2. 1 of the two is likely bad and getting carried or both are equally not that great but they get pity points because of their relationship
3. Inevitable drama
false
@@juanroman71 Stfu what do you mean false this is just possibilities
I raid with my partner. We've cleared 3 savage tiers and are progging DSR
classify normies
My FC was led by a couple and we formed a static for shadowbringers raiding. We were doing cloud of darkness and his gf kept fucking up every fucking single pull. I refuse to deal with that shit anymore.
Xeno's got it going on with the drama videos recently and I'm all there for it
I really feel for those guys, I’ve never been in a situation anything like this but with everything explained I can see how easy it was to fall into. I raid with a two friends who are a couple and we do really well together. I guess I should feel blessed. Cheers for giving the story more exposure.
My FC was scammed (out of gil, so not as bad). And I've heard of other players who've been scammed/robbed. They were always Lalafels
There literally a quest in-game where you have to catch lalafell robbers.
How appropriate. The first thing in U'ldah you learn is that A LOT of criminal organizations are led by Lalafells.
Yeah we be cunning 😎
Very simply put it's usually people who put up the front of being cute and kind that are just fidning the right time to betray you
We had a Miqo'te couple take ~70 million gil while cussing out the most wholesome FC lead for not immediately making them leader.
Needless to say, we give heads up to every FC they join.
"Amenities" cmon bruh 💀
English speaker hearing English words for the first time
I got familiar with that word through civilization games 💀
As a tank He only knows Enimity
Gotta say, you brought back some bad memories of a similar situation with a friend xeno bit hearing it from you makes me a little better about everything and how it's changed me
Number 1 rule: Do not involve friends and money. If you do, it better be like 10 dollars for a good meal when they can't afford food or they are literally dying and need money to live and they don't have the money themselves.
Nah those guys are just scum bags. I went to fan fest and we all pitched in and what not and it was a fun experience for us all. Friendship of 7 years and we all met for the for first time and it was all worth it. They just unfortunately got super fucked over by these two waste of sperm cells.
That's a great rule if you base all your interactions with other people on absolute distrust and never intend to have close/meaningful relationships. The actual truth is that there's no "rule" that will bring you perfect security AND perfect relationships. The best you can do is believe the people in your life, while still allowing yourself to look for red flags. The situation these folks in the video went through isn't their fault because they "broke the most important rule"; the situation was absolutely too good to be true, and it would have been better if they could realize that, but malicious people took advantage of them. It didn't happen in a vacuum. Bad people did a bad thing. You can and should set your own boundaries, and even clearly communicate with people about them, but trying to deal in absolutes will only drive people away.
@@sird31mos Not lending people money is not absolute distrust. It's healthy. Like I said, if it's something small or life-threatening, then sure. But there are many other qualities in friendships to form meaningful relationships.
This situation is why the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished" exists. They were nice players trying to do a nice thing and bad people took advantage and screwed them over. So what about me saying don't lend money to a friend unless they are in absolute dire straights is untrue or means you can never form good bonds with others?
@@sird31mosL take
@@kkin4438 This wasn't a money lending situation though so not sure why you're framing it like that. The group were pooling their money together and the two scammers were the ones who were gonna purchase the tickets and provide the hotel expenses.
plural noun: amenities
a desirable or useful feature or facility of a building or place.
"heating is regarded as a basic amenity
I can only imagine the scammer's lives are miserable as hell if they had to forsake their own integrity and trust for some quick cash.
I can already imagine they live in a disaster of an apartment. This all screams Chronic laziness on top of everything else
I can relate to the best friend story. It was so confusing because we had been friends for a decade, and I never would have expected her to do what she did.
It's so true that you never truly know someone.
red flag #1: botting to get tickets
"Allegedly" botting to get tickets. More than likely they never entered the lottery and just used it as a pretext for the scam.
0:35 a few seconds in and already NOT surprised at all...
Average day in backstab ville FFXIV.
Chat: Turn it up, we cant hear it!
Xeno: It's already at max
Chat: Download a Chrome extension to turn it louder than max
Xeno: Ok
Me, an adult with functional eardrums: Um....the audios fine? Are yall deaf or what?
the video is edited to make it louder than what the stream was
Windows audio mixing is weird, there's times I have my FFXIV dialed down to 50% volume with BGM off (I like to still hear certain effects when I'm just gathering or fishing or something) and a TH-cam video running in the background at 100% and I still can't hear the video as it keeps getting drowned out.
I passed out in the middle of a surgery after they had me sit on a backless stool and busted my teeth. I talked to lawyers due to how expensive this incident caused me, along with pain and suffering. Not a single lawyer would take the case because they couldn't profit off of it enough. I now live in pain everyday. A lawyer definitely wouldn't take a case for something as small as this.
A couple, and they were Lalas? That's like 5 red flags.
About to ramble a bit but holy shit.
When Xeno said you never truly know someone and he had his best friend end their friendship of 10 years over a woman I fucking felt that. I had my "best friend" of nearly 13 years end our friendship over a woman with no explanation that "best friend" completely ghosted me. It still fucks with me to this day and set the tone for my friendships going forward, but like Xeno said you fuckin learn from this stuff and learn to hopefully spot these types of people before a situation like this happens. Really glad you reacted to this so it gets out more and so people can be wary of these two and maybe see in their own friendships some huge red flags. I really hate it when stuff like this happens to folks.
I help random PF parties, help statics, often pass on loot in hopes to change peoples minds on how they view Lala's. Had friends who got scammed by Decorators who I helped free of charge as well. And then you have these two... It's utterly disgusting that they treated friendship like its worth nothing more then stabbing them in the backs. They are apparently already being witch hunted on my DC as they moved to Dynamis Seraph... Those two should be beyond ashamed. You give Lala's a bad name! mhm
Lore accurate Lala behavior
Only people with negative IQ judge others by which in-game character race they play as.
After Reading this I feel a bit bad for "cool lalas". Problem is always you meet one nice Person but 5 assholes. I did Eureka with a random lala guy for a few days and he was really nice and we Had a great time. Then I meet a Lala in Bozja and she was an absolute dick, belittling everyone in shout Chat. And dont get me started on PvP lalas with 4× Scholar or Dark Knight premades.
Some Lalas are deplorable, but it could still be worse. They could be Hrothgars. 💀
@@susie_haltmannhas nothing to do with the race they play. They are just shitty human beings.
“….the Final Fantasy Bonnie and Clyde y’all”
“….steal your friends’ money”
“….skip town”
im suffering from the lack of dramassss
These people are too nice for their own good. I would have been turning up calling these two liars and scammers @everyone in the group thread weeks beforehand. I feel like this friend group needs more gay people because after her little defense post talking about throwing up someone would have been like "puke again scammer biatch"
oh they wouldve been clocked for real
Having more gay people wouldn't have helped. I used to have a whole gay group going and like girl.... The drama was constant and it was full of fake people. Like man... It really sucked.
Oh fuck, a couple. I'm not even surprised.
I've had extremely bad experiences with ALL couples encountered ingame, be it WoW for 10 years or FFXIV for 3 years. It's one of my ultimate redflag playing in a group/guild now.
Ingame dramas, outside of the game dramas. Loot dramas. Love triangle dramas. Shady ass fuck schemes and bullshit. OH HELL NAAAAAH 💀💀💀
For future reference for everyone, like 4 days after the lottery you are able to buy tickets, once you submit your payment you get QR code / print version of it and etc, I got my ticket on March 6 for example, I guess this will depend on the place the convention is made or the online retailer for tickets, but waiting for a ticket right before the fan fest on a digital world is very very fishy.
This is a really unfortunate situation, but I highly recommend people to just handle the trip by themselves all they can, not depend on other to manage the trip and this way you have control of the situation (in every trip something always happens imagine just giving control to someone else so more things end up happening).
I've watched the original vid, a react, and now another react. Gets better every time.
I have raided with couples before and it sucks. the wife was a very shitty low dps black mage and the husband was a fairly good Warrior. We could not kick out the black mage for the sole reason that she must raid with the husband and also She is the FC leader of our all FC raid team. Her lack of dps and poor communication has prevented us from clearing a few raid tier cuz we always hit enrage and we cant go overtime of out raid schedule cuz of the husband at home job
sounds like you should take your group and leave that FC, make a new one with the peeps interested in actually beating content
Had the same situation, but girl couldn't take criticism. Everyone puppied her and wouldn't say shit, safe to say I was happy when I left.
@@ci11antr0 unfortunately that is what FFXIV has become i had to quit after 7 years of playing. The game has become a "safe space" for certain people
@@BestNeekoNA forgot to mention it was in savage
thank you for reacting to expose this :D always good. but , but, but we are suffering from lack of kisses :D lol
2 kinds of mfers who play lalafell:
1. "aww, so cute omgggg"
2. "i will get what i want from you"
If you look at the comments Jason Charles Miller commented saying hes sorry hearing about this and wish he knew and would have come and hung out with them, such a class act
This is so insane to me. I was able to get fanfest tickets for 3 people and myself. I immediately gave the QR code/confirmation email of the tickets as SOON as I bought them to my friend group. This makes me feel so bad because no one deserves to be scammed, especially by people they called "friends". What scumbags. :/
EDIT: Just saw the end where they sent that screenshot that was found on reddit. Yuck.
The worst part about all of this is the payout. They lead these people on for so long and shattered several years of friendship for a couple thousand dollars.
man, i want to feel bad for the scammed party... but not getting ANY confirmation of ANYTHING? cmon maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
How do you not know what amenities, means?
I have met so many people online that say oh yea ill send you this or that and never do it. People just love that dopamine hit of others thinking you are giving without actually doing it
It sucks that he is holding onto a sliver of hope that this was all just a big misunderstanding. But when you jump ship to another server and change your names? That is very scammer behavior. Makes me wonder what made these people want to throw away a 6 year friendship for that. It’s terrible this happened to them. I hope they contacted their banks and got their money back!
they can change their names all they want but the lodestone number doesnt change even if you move datacenter or change your name
@@Irisfantasies very true. The fact that they chose to run away and change their names speaks VOLUMES. If they were true friends I would think they would at least try to talk this out and explain why everything went down the way it did. But instead they took the cowards way out and left. Too bad for them, the lodestone still keeps their number no matter how many name changes they do.
@@StarRoseDragon5 I'd guess they probably start over on a new character. I checked the lodestone, it's all lvl 90s jobs for both of them, clearly a LOT of time went into those characters, but if they can't make any more money with them, I doubt sociopaths like them have any hesitation in moving on.
Also, they clearly didn't consider the people they scammed friends, they were marks to them. They kept trying to milk the group over and over again, as was made apparent, were careful enough not to let them connect the dots and then cashed out with Fanfest. Admittedly, 1.5k for a 6 years worth of work integrating themselves into a group is beyond pitiful, but it's sociopaths.
It also speaks volumes that they tried to gaslight their friends after the accusations came out, but as that clearly didn't work, they just bailed.
I love how they said they hadn't left yet, then turned around and said they turned back 3 hours from LV. I feel for these people, being scammed by friends sucks the worst.
If I understood this clearly, one of the couple said they hadn't left to one person, then the other one said they turned around to another person. So they clearly didn't get their stories straight with each other or just didn't think their "friends"/victims would compare notes. Or simply didn't care anymore at this point.
I basically gained huge trust issues with people online because of people I meet in FFXIV. I didn't lose out on any money, but I don't enjoy playing online games anymore.
Amenities: like hand soap, and those small bottles of shampoo and conditioner that hotels provide. It's not just limited to just those. That coffee machine in hotel rooms counts. Tv, and Internet too.
Dude this shit my hurt so bad. Such a big, wonderful event for players and they just had to ruin it for every single one of their "friends". They were still somewhat believable, if only they didn't steal a fucking screenshot. It's so awful. I would just break down. How can people be so cruel? I'm glad they still were able to have a good time. No matter how long you've known someone and how well you think know them, you always just have to be super careful, especially online where it's so easy to hide behind a screen and play pretend. Shit's dangerous.
I had no idea there was a Chrome extension that allows you to up the volume of audio playing in the browser. Thanks to whoever recommended that to Xeno as I will also be grabbing it myself.
It's harder to tell someone they are being scammed than it is to scam them.
Couples in a static, not even once. Trusting lalas, not even once as well
The reason for this video is not to harass these two.
He's so sweet. They would literally be hunted down by the squad lmao
I can’t sit back and say: you should have seen flags. It’s easy to do this as a spectator. But I wasn’t the one in a six year friendship with the two scammers. The fact that these two people actually took the time to talked to this FF14 group for six years, slowly earning trust, just to scam them shows how sick they are! You would think they would have pulled something crazy before six years but the waited until the group was vulnerable for fanfest. To leave a group of people stranded without shelter in the AZ heat. It’s insane.
i think the reason why people like this go for smaller amounts of money, like $1500, is because they know that barely anyone grabs a lawyer over this, because it would be much more expensive, so they get away with it. they probably already did stuff like that before and will continue doing it.
What armor is the guy in the begging wearing? Can’t say I’ve ever seen it before
so basically it gets reduced to "people from questionable street intelligence gave money to someone they knew from the internet for something and are surprised when he scammed them", well let this be a lesson i guess, be glad you only lost money this time around
this just shows that the whole ticket lottery is just a big whole issue and shouldn't be done imo
It's not the lottery issue, this was them trusting a friend. I got the code directly from a friend so i could buy the ticket myself, aka there was no need of a third party at all and if people did give money so someone else buys the ticket for you then, you ask for the ticket before paying at all.
@@imilkynoteYea they put too much trust on someone they never meet in person. Even with my irl friend i would verify and asks proof before i even hand them the money. I hope they learned their lessons and those scumbag couples get hit with karma soon.
Yeah. The lottery is kind of messed up. That and with how quick Fanfest tickets go, I can see how situations like this happen.
This reminded me of that guy who betrayed the hardcore WoW raid group. He got into the guild, became friends with people, earned their trust, and waited over a year to screw them at the worst possible moment. Granted this guy only ran the con for a year, but he gained no money from it. It was just because he felt the group offended his morality on hardcore WoW, and he wanted to destroy it enough to waste a year of his life on it. Some people really are just wired differently.
Wait isn't that from that WoW classic sh*t? Yeah, that was pretty funny
Already got scammy the moment they bought tickets and didnt share the QR codes with the people who purchased them.
Shit sometimes happens but if i’m the organiser, I want to make sure people can carry on without me, especially if they paid upfront. I’ve planned meetups and stuff with my friends before and i always made sure they have access to tickets or hotel room reserved forwarded to them and If anything happens to us then at most it’s personal expenses and no harm done.
Also, i’m really salty because i’m playing with my husband for a year now and it’s always bad couples like this that give us a bad reputation… sigh
1 hour and 16 minutes?! Holy moly.
$350 "don't go crazy". Im ages from rich but you spend that much in the first half of the day in that city, that shoulda been the biggest red flag when I've bought a dinner from there for a third of that alone
they also couldve called that hotel to confirm everything before even setting off to fanfest
Can relate to best friends story as well! I had a bff for years, she got a boyfriend and that boyfriend started trying to put moves on m,e, I told her and showed her messages and instead of leaving the guy for being a dog, she broke our friendship :(
As a software engineer I wouldve LOVED to pick the scammer guy's brain about the supposed "million dollar software" deal :)
Obviously though, the couple are just pathological liars. As Xenos said they do not act like rich people. Rich people do not need to scam their friends for $1500, yet alone the 8 billion other lies they probably made up to seem well off. Dude probably just has money problems, lies about being rich to pretend he doesnt, then devised this scheme because he found himself in a substantial hole and couldnt get himself out.
I have no idea if they can or if it would even be worth it but man i wish those 2 scumbags get sued and charges filed against them cause if it counts over 1k is grand larceny and thats a felony
i hope these group of friends learned some valuable street smarts from these turn of events
Kromix Nuvela - Gilgemesh
Yuuniel Nuve- Gilgemesh
Crazy how low people can go just for $1500. And you wait since stormblood to scam $1500. How long does $1500 last?
I planned trips myself, each pair can book their own room, just same schedule "we'll be in this hotel at these dates" So if one of us think the hotel is too expensive, they can go to cheaper hotel nearby. And we can just when we're not in the hotel.
The part where Xeno said he's in a airplane XFFing at people below had me crying laughing. xD
There's so many stories like that on dynamis. i've been there from day 1 and it can be a lot like the countryside. its small, homegrown, and everyone seems to have a bit of a history
It's sad that a long term friendship is ruined just for money
yes, but see it like this: these people were never in for friendship anyway. they never saw the others as friends to begin with.
In NY, theft over $1,000.00 is a Felony. I would be pressing charges tbh, super easy as you have receipts
Omg Jason Miller just replied to the original video!
My JOB wouldn’t give me a hotel confirmation for a conference and i told them that i wasn’t leaving my house until i had the confirmation. And if I missed the drop off window for my dog prior to travel i wasn’t going period. You just dont fuck around with people’s travel
Gosh the stories I've experienced in a similar vein LOL. One "friend" of mine guilted me out and manipulated me until I bought him a like $300 custom bad dragon (ya know, toy). Also had a few say they needed to borrow money for internet. Never paid back. Like no skin off my back I'm a software engineer as my day job it's pocket change to me but definitely made me feel used and like the friendship was all about money. Which is just sad. After broseph got the bad dragon he started talkin mad about me, and I was like yo you only made friends so you could have a toy? NGL salted to this day LOL
Imagine manipulating someone because you want a f*cking Bad Dragon.
fr it was emotional manipulation in my opinion and cause I have survived r*** and have trauma I AM a bleeding heart and people that get close to me know I am like the worst softy. But yeah when someone comes at me with their stuff I bleed for em. SADLY that means people that know that can exploit. EH >
@@Zagreus717 Even worse is that OP gave in and bought them the fucking thing.
Furries be wild. Like bruh. Manipulate a friend to get a toy. Like hot damn.
Ah shiet. I watched some of your videos, dude. Sad to hear you got scammed like that!
Sometimes I think about the fact that none of myself or my friends won a ticket draw to fanfest cause the were people like this in the world getting them.
I don't think they ever got the tickets in the first place. It was all a lie to scam the static.
they never got them lmao
@@Temptest09 I heard a version of the story where the scammer actually had 2 tickets for themselves
oh i watched it this morning, glad to watch it again xD
The way we deal with this in my group is proof first, money after. Never give money for something you have yet to get in your hands, no matter how much you trust the person.
And they are Lalafells. Damn.
Overall shitty situation especially in this economic state.. the fact they been "friends" for a very long time and the couple has no empathy to steal from their friends... That's overall shitty man I feel for them. This shows a basic rule of even you know these people for years is to never trust them especially virtually... I hope these scammers gets their karma and the community is aware that they wouldn't be bamboozled like this.
Rich people don't brag to be rich. Right there it's a huge red flag and I feel so bad for them because I was supposed to go to Vegas too for Fanfest and paid already for the rental and we couldn't go cause of an emergency but I told them to keep the money. I feel you Xeno, I am the type of person that wants to see the best from people but get burned.
I’ve met people like that before… it’s like they have a dissociation with reality. They make plans and such without any actual intention or ability to follow through. Then as the plans play out they make excuses and bail.
amenities... wasn't there a joke about that in Finding Nemo?
not all lalafell but always a lalafell
16:00 Ah i was thinking rich people wouldn't usually fly first class, from those i know they would be on the cheapest possible seats, but you did clarify you aren't rich and yes, upper middle class does tend to fly first class
Those two people are mean. I would not even offer them a cookie if i had extra.
ofc it was lalas, the most untrustful of all players!
The first red flag is when they said cap.
Fun fact: If you keep someone on your friends list that you don't like, you'll still have them there when they change their name :)
Xeno got a new chrome extension, and that actually made me so happy lmao
Xenos: "I'm not rich"
Also Xenos: Flies 1st class by default and spends $10k on a vegas vacation every 2 years or so
Ah, rich people and their complete inability to realize they're rich XD
I don't think holding onto ticket info is shady, but I'm the mom friend in my group so I always hold the tickets and important information.
Granted if asked to produce said information it is never a problem and is done when requested without any hurt feelings.
Traveling with others you never met before in person is a big ordeal. When it comes tickets and stuff money wise never trust it unless you have some kind of actual proof not just words.