I ran one of these in the late 80's at Shell UK in London, during the end-of-year financial prints we would have a constant stream of porters with trolleys taking the hard copy back to the accounts department. My least favourite job was printing the cheque runs, a guy would turn up with a lock box full of blank cheques and if there were misprints we'd have to log every misprinted cheque.
I worked at IBM and helped the technicians install them. I remember Brooklyn Union Gas had about 4 of these in a row. The operator would go from one printer to another and constantly adding boxes of paper. By the time he got to the 4th printer the first one ran out of paper. The noise level of these machines running was high. Sounds like a jet engine. These machines needed constant maintenance do to the high speed of all the parts. It's a beast to work on. An IBM tech was assigned onsite all day on these machines and the mainframe( 3090). Those were the good old days I remember. If you thought these are big machines look for the check sorting machines IBM had.
I operated and ran these beasts in the late 80s early 90s. Model 3800-1 and 3800-3 (ver 3 support AFP graphics). Oh the time spent clearing paper jams due to poor page perforations. or bad fan-folds. And such a mess to change the developer and toner. Surprised the video didn't mention the fact that the heat in the fuser area was hot enough to burn your skin. So many OSHA issues that were never raised as awareness to us operators: toner dust, developer dust, burster/trimmer paper dust. A face mask would have benefitted. But I'm still alive, so time will tell if there are long term effects that have yet to manifest themselves.
Many copier/duplicators had toner or dry ink as Xerox coined it, floating around in the air. The 3M microfilm printer from the 1980s was one also for toner dust. I remember an employee told me she would go into the restroom and clean the toner residue from her face with a wet paper towel. If your lungs were sensitive from having a cold allergy irritation, it was difficult to inhale without coughing.
The large dust filter on the rear occasionally triggered a 'replace' error before it was fully clogged with toner. We used to go around the back and give the enclosure a swift boot to dislodge toner and clear the sensor. This procedure was called, "Kicking the elephant's tampax".
You could always tell an IBM 3800 laser printer CE by the colour of his hands and shirt. The 3800 was only useful for printing on reeded listing paper or single part forms. You needed a fast StorageTek Impact line printer for multipart forms which many customers used. By the time you had loaded the paper on a 3800 the StorageTek printer had printed it.
I remember back in 1979, when I first started working for Frito-Lay, I was taken on a tour of company data center. They were proud they had an IBM 3800. The guy talking to us was telling us how fast it could print, yada, yada. I watched as it started a print job, paper flying through it and immediately filling up the discharge area. It was hilarious.
The most ruinous bit though is that after they killed the messenger, they panicked, thinking the gods would be angry with them. So they sent two men to sacrifice themselves to Xerxes to "appease the gods", but he sent them away in humiliation. 😂
It is bus&tag so basically an IBM 370 or 43xx (but you could run it from a P/390 ie a MCA/PCI card which implements a slowish 43xx machine) and oh yes a loading dock - that printer will print a truck load of forms in a day....
@@TheStefanskoglund1 I know, seem em working , I'm an old man , last one I've seen was in Congo , 2001 running smoooooth.The printers are not build like this anymore.
And what happens when time passes and these dinosaur machines become obsolete? Do they sell? Are they discarded? Do you still use them because they are still useful? I would like to know his fate...
It's a laser printer and uses toner, though Xerox used to call their toner 'dry ink', dunno if they still do, we don't have any Xerox boxes. The toner appears to still be available, seen some on ebay and surplus houses. The toner came in a plastic tub about 24x8x6". It had a tyvek sheet covering the top, you turned the tub tyvek side down over a toner hopper and pulled sheet off to dump the toner in the hopper.
At that time, these were cartridges with around 1.5 kilos of toner powder. Depending on the degree of blackness, they lasted for around a day, i.e. around 3 full working shifts. As I remember it, they printed around 3500 - 4000 DIN A 4 pages per hour
If you have worked with the device for a few days and, for example, If you were familiar with JES (Job Entry System), it was child's play, you just had to edit the job card. It was also easy to cancel a missed job and set up the print job again in the job card a few pages beforehand without having to print the job from the beginning. In our company we had 7 of these things and a few others from Siemens that were more compact. So it's not a nightmare if you e.g. I printed certain SYSOUTS straight out of a jumbo stack with 90,000 swipes, which was an absolutely awesome job back then. The only thing that was hotter was the job on the Datagrafix 2 for the micro filming, or on the host's console ^^
I ran one of these in the late 80's at Shell UK in London, during the end-of-year financial prints we would have a constant stream of porters with trolleys taking the hard copy back to the accounts department. My least favourite job was printing the cheque runs, a guy would turn up with a lock box full of blank cheques and if there were misprints we'd have to log every misprinted cheque.
I worked at IBM and helped the technicians install them. I remember Brooklyn Union Gas had about 4 of these in a row. The operator would go from one printer to another and constantly adding boxes of paper. By the time he got to the 4th printer the first one ran out of paper. The noise level of these machines running was high. Sounds like a jet engine. These machines needed constant maintenance do to the high speed of all the parts. It's a beast to work on. An IBM tech was assigned onsite all day on these machines and the mainframe( 3090). Those were the good old days I remember.
If you thought these are big machines look for the check sorting machines IBM had.
I operated and ran these beasts in the late 80s early 90s. Model 3800-1 and 3800-3 (ver 3 support AFP graphics). Oh the time spent clearing paper jams due to poor page perforations. or bad fan-folds. And such a mess to change the developer and toner. Surprised the video didn't mention the fact that the heat in the fuser area was hot enough to burn your skin. So many OSHA issues that were never raised as awareness to us operators: toner dust, developer dust, burster/trimmer paper dust. A face mask would have benefitted. But I'm still alive, so time will tell if there are long term effects that have yet to manifest themselves.
Many copier/duplicators had toner or dry ink as Xerox coined it, floating around in the air. The 3M microfilm printer from the 1980s was one also for toner dust. I remember an employee told me she would go into the restroom and clean the toner residue from her face with a wet paper towel. If your lungs were sensitive from having a cold allergy irritation, it was difficult to inhale without coughing.
The large dust filter on the rear occasionally triggered a 'replace' error before it was fully clogged with toner. We used to go around the back and give the enclosure a swift boot to dislodge toner and clear the sensor. This procedure was called, "Kicking the elephant's tampax".
And by the end of the setup, you've used half of the paper
It reminds me of threading a sewing machine.
"Susan, would you put some paper in the 3800?"
"I don't have time. I'm retiring next month."
You could always tell an IBM 3800 laser printer CE by the colour of his hands and shirt.
The 3800 was only useful for printing on reeded listing paper or single part forms. You needed a fast StorageTek Impact line printer for multipart forms which many customers used. By the time you had loaded the paper on a 3800 the StorageTek
printer had printed it.
I remember back in 1979, when I first started working for Frito-Lay, I was taken on a tour of company data center. They were proud they had an IBM 3800. The guy talking to us was telling us how fast it could print, yada, yada. I watched as it started a print job, paper flying through it and immediately filling up the discharge area. It was hilarious.
In order to install this print press in your office, you'll need another office room.
Fixed these back in the 80's... Replacing the Cyclone blower motor was an interesting task !!! If you know you know :)
They forgot the last step - some mid-level manager throwing the finished job in the trash!
Every step involved throwing multiple sheets of paper away lol
I suppose all the things you might need to adjust are coloured blue because...Big Blue.
This is nearly as intuitive as a modern HP!
Monster Printer from hell!
Yes, those were still printers^^ That was my first job in the data center
The most ruinous bit though is that after they killed the messenger, they panicked, thinking the gods would be angry with them. So they sent two men to sacrifice themselves to Xerxes to "appease the gods", but he sent them away in humiliation. 😂
Lol
Спасибо!
I used to always put the wrong toner in...the snitch IBM repair man would run and report me to the boss.
Yeah , this can be called a printer , only need some extra infrastructure,
It is bus&tag so basically an IBM 370 or 43xx (but you could run it from a P/390 ie a MCA/PCI card which implements a slowish 43xx machine)
and oh yes a loading dock - that printer will print a truck load of forms in a day....
@@TheStefanskoglund1 I know, seem em working , I'm an old man , last one I've seen was in Congo , 2001 running smoooooth.The printers are not build like this anymore.
Japp, a very expensive infrastructure, we had 2 IBM z390s in the data center at the time. Cheap looks different ^^
Is that dark spot where it is spewing toner dust?
The printer technician then killed the manager because he wanted another font
And what happens when time passes and these dinosaur machines become obsolete? Do they sell? Are they discarded? Do you still use them because they are still useful? I would like to know his fate...
They send them to Somalia.
I don't know, seems like a lot of faff. Think I'll stick with the Laserjet :)
The dark staining on the front of the machine is a bit concerning - possible toner discharge clinging to the outside. Huge lung disease risk if so.
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Where do you get ink cartridges for this thing
It is a laser printer.... its speed will STUMP any current ink printer..... except that it only printed on one side of the paper.
From IBM where else would you go?
It's a laser printer and uses toner, though Xerox used to call their toner 'dry ink', dunno if they still do, we don't have any Xerox boxes. The toner appears to still be available, seen some on ebay and surplus houses. The toner came in a plastic tub about 24x8x6". It had a tyvek sheet covering the top, you turned the tub tyvek side down over a toner hopper and pulled sheet off to dump the toner in the hopper.
There are some super fast, continuous feed, ink squirter printers. Check out the Kodak Prosper 7k and Ricoh VC series.
At that time, these were cartridges with around 1.5 kilos of toner powder. Depending on the degree of blackness, they lasted for around a day, i.e. around 3 full working shifts. As I remember it, they printed around 3500 - 4000 DIN A 4 pages per hour
oh the shame of knocking a roll of paper over 😞
omg what a nightmare uff
I think that you meant, 'wet dream' :)
If you have worked with the device for a few days and, for example, If you were familiar with JES (Job Entry System), it was child's play, you just had to edit the job card. It was also easy to cancel a missed job and set up the print job again in the job card a few pages beforehand without having to print the job from the beginning. In our company we had 7 of these things and a few others from Siemens that were more compact. So it's not a nightmare if you e.g. I printed certain SYSOUTS straight out of a jumbo stack with 90,000 swipes, which was an absolutely awesome job back then. The only thing that was hotter was the job on the Datagrafix 2 for the micro filming, or on the host's console ^^
I don't see the point to all this. Just sit and write it by hand.
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