No matter what kick or 808 combination you are using, you need to EQ the frequencies regardless unless you are using a pre mixed sound that is already great quality. I wouldn't say don't do this, just make sure if you do then mix your kicks & 808's accordingly.
The master comes with some heat again! You know I had to disappear for a little at work to come watch this! 🤣 I'm sure I can speak for other when I say this, you the GOAT my guy! You explain everything so well and have helped me so much! 🙏💪
@@NavieD Maaan.. Ain't that true?! Lol. Wanted to straight take today off but was told I was really needed. Just got my KRK Rokit 5 G4's last night. I think they need me more. 🤣
I think you'd be great on a video showing us all the FL shortcuts like Alt + K You taught me about Ctrl + B and you cut my beat making process by 15 minutes which really helped.
I've watched a few of your videos before I finally subscribed. Super underrated. I think you probably make the best production tip videos on youtube. Super concise, actionable information with great use of examples. You've helped me out a lot so, seriously, thanks. I've only been producing for 2 years but I know I'm way better thanks to TH-cam and content creators like you that make it so much easier to learn.
Thanks man! Yeah people routinely ask me about sound selection, but it's really hard to talk explain in one TH-cam video. I do cover it in my course though
Thank you Zub! Yeah, drums are always one of those things I forget about as well. I come up with the basic pattern and then move on, and don't revisit them during the arrangement process as much as I should
@@NavieD thanks for the transparency! Sometimes I feel like I’m just too lazy to invest the time in really good drum patterns. But I guess those are the struggles we all face 😂
I remember listening to some lofi I made two years ago. I instantly cringed at the out of key bass and the random supersaw I added. I have definitely improved
Great video as always. These are very important considerations to make, and they often get overlooked by newer engineers. However, I think the greatest thing about this video is how universal your first point is- That is to say, this philosophy could be applied to many different subgenres of hip-hop (ESPECIALLY lyrical hip hop where you need a lot of room for the vocals to breathe and shine through, as the lyrics are one of the most important aspects of more raw, underground, lyrical, substance driven hip hop). In trap, vocals are used more as an instrument. In more lyrical hip-hop (such as eastcoast/boombap), the rhyme scheme, vocabulary, and substance of the emcee's lyrics can often be more important than cadence and intonation.
Imo we all should know how Jdilla made beats cuz it gives you freedom to make beats which doesn´t sound old drummachine patterns. If own Maschine the best way is just learn to play with fingers and don´t mind if hats are late or any drum parts. You can quantize kick and snares if you want. It maybe sounds to someone weird cuz there is market full of beats made suing only loops or just clicking mouse. I try to avoid trainlike beats which goes same way and are always on beat. Cheers. Good video man!
Any place i can listen to more of your music? Ive only found 3 albums plus the MFP soundtrack. The 'electronic' songs youve made (or whatever the proper genre they classify into is) are always SO so good!!
common tips why beats sound like that 1:34 is bcuz almost everyone tells to beginners "make 808 first then put kick to top on 808 and probably add couple of kicks too. Don´t forget to sidechain cuz otherwise 808 eat up too much space from your beat"
As in push the bass note so it plays after the kick? The same issue would still persist, as it would sound like there are multiple kicks jumping up and down in your beat
To all producers. If you work on mixing and developing what is called headroom. You don’t need to reduce the pattern to being minimal. If you’re a novice at mixing, then yes I’d keep it simple. More than anything I’d just say make sure your patters compliment each other. If you’re going crazy with 808’s keep the kick, snare and HH’s more relaxed.
So Navie, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I approach a complex 808 using the highs and mids against the bass. This allows me to dedicate the middle sonic lane to the rapper. Thoughts?
If the bass has an established place in the mix, adding in sounds in the high and mid range that establish a sonic path for the vocals in between the highs and mid and the bass. Like a lane for the vocals. In other words, everything has it's own sonic place. Better?
I consider the whole trap-scene as a one big red flag nowadays. Everyone uses the same loops, same plugins and sample-packs (stolen for free from torrentsites) same drumpatterns, same hihat and percussion "tricks" and the list goes on and on. May the God have mercy on our souls.
I know I’m two years late but I’d love to hear Navie’s opinion on $crims production from $uicideboy$, because they do the exact opposite of some of these tips and make it work. They taught me that you actually can get away with having a lot of kicks in your loop, and fairly consistent 808s without overwhelming the listener if you do it correctly.
Considering that every producer now uses lots of the same punchy 808s that are used excessively, I question the validity of the first point. Maybe, I'm not experienced enough yet to know when to use lots or fewer 808s , anyway, I appreciate the vedio overall .
I was more pointing out how there was absolutely no pauses between the 808s and they were very overwhelming. It was constantly playing - this can easily wear down the listener
The 808 originally never generated bass guitar instrument sounds. You could tune the kick though for long sustained kick/bass combo though. Perplexing as to why you refer to the first example as an "808 bass" which is technically inaccurate. Just call is bass synth or something? Another trick is to make sure your kick does not sustain too much to interfere with the bass guitar or other low end instruments. If it does, then make sure they are tuned properly to not cause crazy freq harmonics.
I like how you talk about kidnapping a big fat kid with out even breaking up. I thought you’d be laughing, but I just see neutral. I wish I could do that.
Guys I did some of my own voiceover work in this video. Let me know if you think I should become a voice actor now
hey, pls make a guitar type beat
Yes Sir You can :D !
Oh for sure! Hoping to get some of that beautiful voiceover work in your beat making course.
guitar type beat!!!
Yes!! I love your voice, your look, and that button up shirt is very nice on you!!!
Navie is not only a master of beat making. He is also the master of Photoshop Story Telling
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I should write my own kids books I think. Next weeks tutorial is about how to make kids book now
yeye.
absolutye.
@@NavieD How to teach your kids to focus on being a better beatmaker 😬
"Honey, how important am I to you?"
"Let me show this visually"
I am only going to communicate through photoshop animations from now on
@@NavieD do it please
Ive made beats for 7 years...you'ved cleared up a lot of mistakes I ignored.....With logical explanations ..salute to you...I'm gonna keep following
Thank you man, I am happy to have you on board!
great video! the 808's are always the last i add to a beat because that forces me to keep it as simple as possible
Interesting idea!
No matter what kick or 808 combination you are using, you need to EQ the frequencies regardless unless you are using a pre mixed sound that is already great quality. I wouldn't say don't do this, just make sure if you do then mix your kicks & 808's accordingly.
Thank you for your lovely comment Ragnar!
I gotta give credit we’re it’s due. Your underground airplay is one of the most vicious beats I ever heard.
Ay thanks man. I enjoyed making that beat for sure
The master comes with some heat again! You know I had to disappear for a little at work to come watch this! 🤣 I'm sure I can speak for other when I say this, you the GOAT my guy! You explain everything so well and have helped me so much! 🙏💪
Hahah dag I hope you don't end up getting fired man
@@NavieD It'd be worth it! Hahaha! But nah, I work too damn early. Management still won't be in for another hour or so.
Damn management. Always coming in late and getting angry if you do the same
@@NavieD Maaan.. Ain't that true?! Lol. Wanted to straight take today off but was told I was really needed. Just got my KRK Rokit 5 G4's last night. I think they need me more. 🤣
I think you'd be great on a video showing us all the FL shortcuts like Alt + K
You taught me about Ctrl + B and you cut my beat making process by 15 minutes which really helped.
Hahah glad I can help. I did a video on these shortcuts already, I think its called FL Studio Piano Roll tutorial or something along those lines
7:51 Guys, Always keep that in mind.
Join the sprinkle fairy gang Lowan
Haha your visual diagrams always kill me, keep up the good work Navie D!
Thank you Hydra! I enjoy being a sillyboy
You always have the best tutorials bro, thanks for everything.
Timmy you're a beautiful friend 😘
I've watched a few of your videos before I finally subscribed. Super underrated. I think you probably make the best production tip videos on youtube. Super concise, actionable information with great use of examples. You've helped me out a lot so, seriously, thanks. I've only been producing for 2 years but I know I'm way better thanks to TH-cam and content creators like you that make it so much easier to learn.
Oh wow, thanks Bart! Glad to have you on board. I hope I can keep helpin you make better tunes
Man, your illustrations are fire 🔥
Hahaha no compliments on my beautiful voiceover work though? I am sadman
Alt+K as a note limiter is great, been looking for this shortcut for ages, thank you Navie, good tutorial as always.
Glad you got something outta the video Emanuel!
This video fixed all my beats and made my kids want to talk to me again. :) thank you Navie D.
The Fat boy analogy slaps hard, while I'm stuffing on chocolate. lmao
Haha Crap Trap?! Very clever! Always love the content Navie. Can’t wait for the course!!!
Thank you KODB! I have a big announcement being revealed today about the course! Should be coming through in about an hour
@@NavieD Alright, staying tuned!!
Finally, someone named the genre I am making 😂
Fat kid abduction type beats
The last trick reminded me something that I forgot for ages.
Thanks for reminding me :)
No prob Ashay!
Your videos are always on point. And your sound selection is top notch. I’d love to see some videos on how your pick your sounds and sound design.
Thanks man! Yeah people routinely ask me about sound selection, but it's really hard to talk explain in one TH-cam video. I do cover it in my course though
Thanks for reminding me, that i need to put in more work into my drums 😭 good vid as always ✌🏻
Thank you Zub! Yeah, drums are always one of those things I forget about as well. I come up with the basic pattern and then move on, and don't revisit them during the arrangement process as much as I should
@@NavieD thanks for the transparency! Sometimes I feel like I’m just too lazy to invest the time in really good drum patterns. But I guess those are the struggles we all face 😂
those background lights are gooooood!
I finally got my lighting set up correct
I remember listening to some lofi I made two years ago. I instantly cringed at the out of key bass and the random supersaw I added. I have definitely improved
Hahah I plan on making a lofi video like this and what you described is one of the flags I commonly see. So don't feel too bad
The trunk and fat kid analogy.... hilarious
I hope it makes sense!
Great video as always. These are very important considerations to make, and they often get overlooked by newer engineers. However, I think the greatest thing about this video is how universal your first point is- That is to say, this philosophy could be applied to many different subgenres of hip-hop (ESPECIALLY lyrical hip hop where you need a lot of room for the vocals to breathe and shine through, as the lyrics are one of the most important aspects of more raw, underground, lyrical, substance driven hip hop). In trap, vocals are used more as an instrument. In more lyrical hip-hop (such as eastcoast/boombap), the rhyme scheme, vocabulary, and substance of the emcee's lyrics can often be more important than cadence and intonation.
Tip 3, why not just sidechain?
Well, in the case you didn't want a kick overtop of every single 808, you would need another workaround instead of sidechaining
Lol I was in class watching this asn started laughing way too hard at the fat kid part everyone was lookin at me
Hahah young man, you're about to get sent to the principals office
your toturials are UNIQUE 💎
Thank you Momo!
Haha, I celebrate your example....adding a fat kid! And love your shark shirt! Good video, thanks. 😊🖖
Thank you! I have a flamingo shirt that I am excited to bring out too
@@NavieDCan´t wait to see. Love flamingos! 😁😀🥰 🦩🦩🦩
You sold me on subscribing after I've seen 10 of your videos in the last month.
Hahah dag you've seen me more than my own mother has
Imo we all should know how Jdilla made beats cuz it gives you freedom to make beats which doesn´t sound old drummachine patterns. If own Maschine the best way is just learn to play with fingers and don´t mind if hats are late or any drum parts. You can quantize kick and snares if you want. It maybe sounds to someone weird cuz there is market full of beats made suing only loops or just clicking mouse. I try to avoid trainlike beats which goes same way and are always on beat. Cheers. Good video man!
the kidnapping a fat kid metaphor had me dying 😂
I hope you will stop kidnapping fat kids now Christian
My man Navie D is a messiah for all the producers out there! Big Ups 🔥
👌👌👌
Dope tutorial Navie! Love from the UK 👊🏽
Shout out to the UK Tre!
DAMN NAVIE! Your teaching skills are on another level. Awesome job with the trunk space analogy and visual!
I love your visual representaions bro xD Awesome video!
Informative and very helpful as always 🙏
Thank you. Praise the sun
Any place i can listen to more of your music? Ive only found 3 albums plus the MFP soundtrack. The 'electronic' songs youve made (or whatever the proper genre they classify into is) are always SO so good!!
Thanks so much! Unfortunately I don't really have much else out. I have an old beat tape on my bandcamp
Already see an issue I've been doing this clears it up thanks for the video man
Oooh awesome, glad I can be of help Erik
Thank you i needed this video Idk how i do this but i always forget to use less 808s and as a result it drowns out the beat.
Yeah it can feel like the beat is bare at times when there is no bass playing. But you gotta leave space. Balance is necessary.
Thanks dude! Real nice of ya to make videos like this. Much love! :D
Always with the clutch content!!!
🎯 we hittin bullseyes
great tip 10:00 like your technical parts on your videos and also very precise structure/subject you have thoughtout before making videos.
Thanks! I script every video before I make them
common tips why beats sound like that 1:34 is bcuz almost everyone tells to beginners "make 808 first then put kick to top on 808 and probably add couple of kicks too. Don´t forget to sidechain cuz otherwise 808 eat up too much space from your beat"
Super dope!
Thank you Big Valboski!
Thanks for the vids man. Your the best 😉
No Wood Stock. You're the best for watching 😘
Haha you think I get annoyed seeing your videos on my feed?
Challenge accepted. Post notifications going on🤣🤣
Oooh we'll see how long you last!
Amazing tips as Always, nice shirt too
Ohhh well thank you very much Makosh!
thx for the tips! for the third flag, could I also slightly delay the bass to prevent conflicts with kicks? have a good day!
As in push the bass note so it plays after the kick? The same issue would still persist, as it would sound like there are multiple kicks jumping up and down in your beat
@@NavieD thx! but i meant as in time shifting. I often use the time shifting knob in fl studio. Anyways, i still get what you mean by that :)
your photo examples always kill me 😂
Ahmed that beat is so dope 🔥🔥🔥🔥 that melody sits well with my soul
Hopefully he sees this!
Navi is the new “warbeats” 🤟🏾🔥🔥🔥
Love this channel and just realized I wasn't subdued wtf my bad Navie 🤣
Always with dope tutorials bro ! 👌
To all producers. If you work on mixing and developing what is called headroom. You don’t need to reduce the pattern to being minimal. If you’re a novice at mixing, then yes I’d keep it simple. More than anything I’d just say make sure your patters compliment each other. If you’re going crazy with 808’s keep the kick, snare and HH’s more relaxed.
Thank you navie 🙌🏼
Thank YOU Jose
Man you are always spitting out amazing infos!
I try my best! I think the course I put out is next level
I lost it when he put the kid in the trunk🤣
Never again will you try to kidnap fat kids after this video
Keep up the good lessons , i think you should upload more videos every 2 or 3 days
Hahah dag, I dunno if I have enough material in my brain to do every 2-3 days
Variation is something I have to work on
It's hard to keep in mind at times
Awesome video man!
Thank you big Craig. How's it hangin by the way
The last tip though!!! :)
Nav is crazy with the analogies 😂
As always
Helpful AF 🔥
Thank you Rana. Your comments are lovely AF
@@NavieD ❤️☺️
Love your attitude
Well thank my friend
@@NavieD
I'm always late but quality explanations every time
Hahah thank you mannnnn
Nice, you do one of these videos for boom bap
Yeah I think I will eventually. It didn't even enter my brain to do one on Boom bap
So Navie, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I approach a complex 808 using the highs and mids against the bass. This allows me to dedicate the middle sonic lane to the rapper. Thoughts?
Can you explain what you mean by "using the highs and mids against the bass"?
If the bass has an established place in the mix, adding in sounds in the high and mid range that establish a sonic path for the vocals in between the highs and mid and the bass. Like a lane for the vocals. In other words, everything has it's own sonic place. Better?
Earned a sub bro, not necessarily a beginner but I can still learn a lot
You explain everything so good nice vid
Thank you my love. And I agree. Pat isn't fat, hes regular sized
Hey there regular sized stranger.
Appreciate u really forward most underrated producer respect hom8
👌 Thank you Sisayyyy
I consider the whole trap-scene as a one big red flag nowadays. Everyone uses the same loops, same plugins and sample-packs (stolen for free from torrentsites) same drumpatterns, same hihat and percussion "tricks" and the list goes on and on. May the God have mercy on our souls.
I wonder what will be after trap
I know I’m two years late but I’d love to hear Navie’s opinion on $crims production from $uicideboy$, because they do the exact opposite of some of these tips and make it work. They taught me that you actually can get away with having a lot of kicks in your loop, and fairly consistent 808s without overwhelming the listener if you do it correctly.
Iv been making trap with only Hardwear no daw lately and it's a different sound I don't actually like trap but it's pretty to fun to make
can you go over different types of boombap?
Hey hey, I actually do plan to have a few boom bap videos come out in the near future. So be on the lookout!
Brand new to music. Why are 808s called 808s? Is it anything to do with the old Roland 808?
i kinda liked the guys 808 as a melody i am sure theres a different way to make the same 808 but a different note so it atleast is the same sound
It would be really tough to get that beat to have a feeling of balance with how many 808s there were in that pattern
Thank you
You're welcome Omarrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Can u Plz do a cleaning music /mixing song tutorial
Yep this helps!
4:12 i'm going to haave nightmares for the restt of my life now
He's gonna be hiding under your bed tonight
Thanks G❤️🔥🔥
You're welcome Tim. You're a legend in the making
that one click away to unsubscribe line is what got me to sub
I gotta bass guitar plugin i use sometimes if i wanna make my bass the forefront. Otherwise, I use trap 808s in everything, even my lofi 😂
Ohhh I recently made a video on why using 808s in everything can be DANGEROUS. That video won't be coming out for like a month though
This is all true!
There is not a word of a lie in this video. I think.
Well.. i never hear „its just on click to unsubscribe if you‘re annoyed by me“ 👍🤝
Hahah I am sure there are people who get tired of seeing my malarkey
Nice video bro🔥✌
Considering that every producer now uses lots of the same punchy 808s that are used excessively, I question the validity of the first point. Maybe, I'm not experienced enough yet to know when to use lots or fewer 808s , anyway, I appreciate the vedio overall .
I was more pointing out how there was absolutely no pauses between the 808s and they were very overwhelming. It was constantly playing - this can easily wear down the listener
@@NavieD Understood, Thanks for shedding the light again on that.
You're the best man 🖤
Well heck, thank you man
*Delicious* video!
I see what you did there
@NavieD I've been working on a trap beat.. the idea is so different but i wanna turn it into industry level, can you help me?😅
3:38 it's clear the the mad magazine kid wasn't eating those veggies.
Hahaha he does sorta look like the mad magazine guy hey
The 808 originally never generated bass guitar instrument sounds. You could tune the kick though for long sustained kick/bass combo though. Perplexing as to why you refer to the first example as an "808 bass" which is technically inaccurate. Just call is bass synth or something?
Another trick is to make sure your kick does not sustain too much to interfere with the bass guitar or other low end instruments. If it does, then make sure they are tuned properly to not cause crazy freq harmonics.
I like how you talk about kidnapping a big fat kid with out even breaking up. I thought you’d be laughing, but I just see neutral. I wish I could do that.
Thank you!! =)
You are welcome my friendddd
Thaaanks b🔥
You are welcome my frienddddd
Watching this video and going back to my beats to see if I did any of this crap
Ah, don't worry about what you've done in the past. Just be cognizant of this stuff going forward
Great share.👍 👍
Thank you mannnnn 👌👌
What if we have a lot of 808, but not a lot of other sounds, so there’s still some space?
It's a balancing act. They can be a good way of filling up space, but just know that having them play constantly, non-stop can wear down the listener
@@NavieD okay thanks for the reply! Will remember this!