There is just so much gold in this video. I’ve watched it before, but watching it nearly a month later, what you cover just hits so much more. The whole process is so well laid out and just makes so much sense. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with the mix and master community. Just awesome man.
Super smart move, using Low Control instead of EQ for squashing the lower end on certain parts. Will definitely remember to use that! Thanks for the killer content!
This might be one of my fave videos of JV. I've always watched him mix raw vocals that sounded better than my processed vocals (I record at home, low budget and everything). So every move he made sounded great and in my vocals not that great. Now with this video I see that it could be fixed in the mix.
It's absolutely wild to me that Phoenix II is a $450 tape emulation plugin with all the tape emulations out there today...also it looks like it was created on Windows 98. Funfact: Pro Tools Heat was co--designed by the Phoenix II creator Dave Hill
If you're not recording the band and are just handed the tracks, this is just what you need to do. Or, at a certain level, you can just say no, of course.
I thought I understood compression until I discovered Jordan! Long time subscriber and fan. My mixes are so much better than they were before. Love these videos, keep em coming! Any chance we’ll see a new tracking and mixing series in the future? I always refer to the original one.
When you listen to old recording from huge name artists (1970’s and before especially) there’s a ton of non-musical noise when listening to the tracks in isolation. Yet, the mix always masks all that noise. Audio is magical.
@@unlockedaudio5109 I dunno, I think a lot of that noise comes from the stems being extracted by AI. The original might be quite different, but we don't have access to that.
4:24 are these tuning artifacts acceptable? like i know you got this track from somebody else and that was done by the prep guy. but that's like a bad job right?
It’s funny how so many companies have a distressor, I have been using the one from IK Multimedia recently and idk how accurate it is to the hardware but it seems to get the job done and sounds good like 90% of the time I throw it on something
Great Jordan! Another problem of the vocal is it was definitely very mangled with the tuning: when soloed the tuning artifacts are really obvious, but I can tell there are even in the context of the mix.
I noticed that too! I'm recording vocals for my band right now, and I know tuning to perfection is the way to go these days, but I'm way too perfectionistic to deliver something so glitched by tuning.
@@joelvandam yeah I know that too since I record myself. Try to get the vocals as close as possible with comping (I sometimes record like a word in a take if I really can't get that word on pitch) so that you don't have to overtune the vocals after the fact.
@@alessandrosummer Dude, I literally made a social media post about how obtuse I get when recording vocals, hating everything I do, only to find out that when I opened the file a week later, I sang almost to perfection. Haha.
@@joelvandam Why is "tuning to perfection the way to go"? Just because some other people said so? The fact that we assume we have to do this by default is a problem. Not only do we have a century of recorded music that says otherwise, but even nowadays there are major hits that aren't tuned. See Adele's "Easy on Me" or Justin Timberlake's "Sexyback" as two examples. And that's in the pop genre. We don't have to reach far to find whole genres where tuning is used minimally if at all (indie rock, etc). Just because Jordan insists that everything in metal has to be tuned and quantized doesn't make it true.
@@DerSilvano as in you don't hear a lawnmower on the background, or babies crying, or a TV, or the distortion is wild, or bursts of noise, or phrases so quiet that raising their volume you can hear the power supply buzz from their interface..
I noticed on the new Mac OS (14.4 I believe) there is a mic icon that will turn orange in the top right. This is a voice isolation mode and it was reducing loudness for me. You can click on it to disable it by clicking Standard. But I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened during this recording.
Another great video, thank you so much for taking the time. Out of interest, what would you use if you were tracking the vocals? A Distressor - LA2A type? What settings would you use, the same as you're using here on the Distressor?
I would Clip Gain the sections to get super close w/ levels then EQ, Comp… & all that we know ow to do? I think that would get to the End result sooner & most likely better?
Super-helpful Jordan - thank you! Not sure I would say boosting frequencies first and cutting them later is more or less “convoluted” than removing “offensive” frequencies first and then boosting afterward. As you said, you have your preference and it certainly works well for you.
If your boosting the right freq you shouldnt have to cut any, But theres is this thing where if you put a cut next to a boost your creating a phase cancelation and some ppl say it sounds better
I’d guess its more about boosting the upper mids and treble into the compression. Get an even top end top work with, then dip what you don’t want. If you cut first, the compression will bring your cuts back up. You want to level the top end rather than have the comp acting on the lows which makes a mess. 2k and up is where all the consonants and transients live, so when you tame them with compression, and then make a cut somewhere - that frequency isn’t going to be popping in and out because the level is consistent.
@@fattommy4436 good point. It may very well end up being a quicker path to success by boosting overall and cutting back the offensive stuff later. My point was that the use of the word “convoluted” isn’t really appropriate. By cutting first and boosting overall afterward, you could certainly go back and make a deeper cut if the compression/boost ended up bringing out the stuff you don’t want to hear. That’s not “convoluted” (hard to understand) but it might indeed take another step to go back and adjust the EQ filter after the compression was applied. Being more efficient is probably a better description for the process you and Jordan are proposing, and thank you for explaining it!
Hmm... interesting. Any idea how to get the nasal sound on words like "awaaaay from meeee" etc. where it sounds like a teenage surfer? (LOL!) My own voice gets that sound on the "uh" sounds on words where we often substitute that sound for other vowels. Would very much like a way to "fix" it, LOL!
Interesting vid... says to me that vocals are as manipulated as say, electric guitar tracks. Gotta wonder how they did some of this in the days before digital when every effect had to be a device.
Proximity effect Humming breathes too obvious Clipping many times Much dynamic differences Hard Auto tune on some words Not manual vocal riding but 6:1 ratio compression?! Delay with no feedback trick Micro shift are new to me 😮❤😮
I enjoyed this video and watched the video about remote producing. Do you prefer and only work with hardcore/punk/etc.? I write songs influenced by Jerry García, Paul Simon, Beatles, Phish, Tom Petty, etc. If you have interest, let me know and maybe we can chat on a call. I have about 4 albums worth of material I’m planning to start recording next year. Let me know, and no biggie if it’s not your thing.
It’s not that bad in context of the whole mix with that harmonies. That’s why Melodyn for example recommends to always tune in context of the whole mix
IMHO this should be re recorded. It sounds muffled, and there is nothing you can do about it. Defintely what you did help, and the poor recording is a bit masked before of the genre, but the crispness is not there.
The point of the video is that arent always involved in the recording part, and just get sent what you get and hope for the best. Im 4 minutes in and with two plug ins its already sounding much better. Its almost as if there is something you can do!
@@stemdog I understand the point of the video. For me it still does not sound so good, and this should be rerecorded, and it could as he was the producer. Again this is just my opinion, you are free to feel differently about this sound. Sure when you don't have the choice as you said... but why not re-record it when you actually can like here
Lol, y'all music makers in 2024 still freaking out about autotune crack me up. I'm not saying it's the most transparent tune job ever, (obvi) but in the mix it sounds fine. Totally passable. Sounds great after some extra processing. I know this dude personally and he is an amazing singer. But this level of tuning is absolutely needed for modern production. Next thing everyone is gonna say is that you dont quantize drums haha 😂
It's corny to do it as a rock band period, but the reason it sounds so bad is that it was done poorly. Whoever engineered it before it was sent to Jordan should've noticed that for sure. *Some* tuning is whatever, fine, sure, but THAT tuning is egregious.
I love how bad the take is when he says "I can't believe that you're not heeeeereee" like it has this awkward level of confidence, while sounding like absolute shit. Dude needs to hang it up
I know it wasn’t you, but whoever turned on that autotune should never be allowed in a recording studio again. If the singer can’t sing , find someone who can.
tip: when you take a public speaking class one of the first things they tell you is….dont smack your lips, your audience gets very annoyed very quickly, i lasted 2.5 minutes
@@DerSilvano right and that's the way it is... I'm just saying, don't imply the vocal was out of the ordinary when it's not. That's just how I feel about it.
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It has been so long this mic was taking AWAAAAAAAAY FROM MEEEEEEE AWAAAAAAAAAAAY !!!! Anyway awesome video as usual, thank you !
no compressor, no eq, bad mic technique ... but didn't forget the autotune... 10/10
😂
There is just so much gold in this video. I’ve watched it before, but watching it nearly a month later, what you cover just hits so much more. The whole process is so well laid out and just makes so much sense. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with the mix and master community. Just awesome man.
Super smart move, using Low Control instead of EQ for squashing the lower end on certain parts. Will definitely remember to use that! Thanks for the killer content!
@@DerSilvano😂😂😂😂
Or literally proQ with a dynamic low band/shelf/bell
@@Rhuggins That certainly isn't a secret.
This might be one of my fave videos of JV. I've always watched him mix raw vocals that sounded better than my processed vocals (I record at home, low budget and everything). So every move he made sounded great and in my vocals not that great. Now with this video I see that it could be fixed in the mix.
Beautiful walkthrough!! This is gold :) Thanks for showing the before and after, as well as soloing and in context as you were doing things :)
Master class… absolutely fantastic video!
I was shocked how bright it got after the SSL EQ, but it works so well in the mix at the end
The tape saturator at the end is what made the aggressive SSL EQ work. I'm sure he would be nowhere near as heavy handed if EQing without the tape.
full mix breakdown for this song! Great song!
In solo it sounds like snot is coming out of his nose and dripping into his mouth😂 from power crying. But man in the mix it’s dope
“Power crying”
😂
It's absolutely wild to me that Phoenix II is a $450 tape emulation plugin with all the tape emulations out there today...also it looks like it was created on Windows 98.
Funfact: Pro Tools Heat was co--designed by the Phoenix II creator Dave Hill
I recently jumped through the same rabbit hole. Crane song is without a doubt better. Heat sounds wooly and Phoenix sounds harmonic.
Windows 95 ! lol
Ahh yes the great plug-in scam of 2020
I know we’re not supposed to have a “fix it in the mix” mentality, but DAMN dude! That sounds really good.
If you're not recording the band and are just handed the tracks, this is just what you need to do.
Or, at a certain level, you can just say no, of course.
@@mrcoatsworth429 For sure. And I've been there. But this in my opinion is just a really good example of what can be done by a great mix engineer.
I thought I understood compression until I discovered Jordan! Long time subscriber and fan. My mixes are so much better than they were before. Love these videos, keep em coming! Any chance we’ll see a new tracking and mixing series in the future? I always refer to the original one.
Great vid I take from this that plugin stack of the hardware leads to the fullness
4.43 ahhhhhw that autotune glitch :D
it's roooough
the autotune is absolutely dreadful
@@DerSilvano nah, it's not a factor
awaaayyy🤖
@@DerSilvano I don't think Jordan auto-tuned this so I don't know what you're talking about this. He also didn't talk about it at all.
Great job on taming and enhancing that vocal take.
Thanks for taking time to do this!
Amazing helpful lesson as usual Jordan, thanks a lot!
Thanks for this! I'd love a video on how you got that kick ass bass tone!!!! Raunchy bro! 🤘🤘
always deliver!! 🙌🏾
It’s crazy how all of those artifacts in the vocal just disappear in the mix.
When you listen to old recording from huge name artists (1970’s and before especially) there’s a ton of non-musical noise when listening to the tracks in isolation. Yet, the mix always masks all that noise. Audio is magical.
Yeah, that the definition of "fix it in the mix".😂
@@unlockedaudio5109 I dunno, I think a lot of that noise comes from the stems being extracted by AI. The original might be quite different, but we don't have access to that.
4:24 are these tuning artifacts acceptable? like i know you got this track from somebody else and that was done by the prep guy. but that's like a bad job right?
You'd be surprised what gets hidden in a mix.
It sounds like shit. And there's no way to undo it if it's burned onto the track.
super helpful Jordan thank you!
Awesome video very helpful definitely gonna use some of these points
Can you make the same video for other genre as well like Pop and r&b, hip hop ?
This man is so helpful, always, damn.
Damn bro you made that vocal sound professsshhh
It’s funny how so many companies have a distressor, I have been using the one from IK Multimedia recently and idk how accurate it is to the hardware but it seems to get the job done and sounds good like 90% of the time I throw it on something
Thanks Jordan!
another great video! really dig these
danm! that's cazy 😧
Thanks for sharing all of sweets
Awesome! Thank you 🤘
Huge vocal chain!
yuuuuuge
interesting video. I see you often boost the high mid frequencies a lot: how do you avoid all the harshness with this approach?
The difference is drastic, indeed.
Great as always!
BRAVO!
It would be awesome to have a cheat sheet for strings, synths, keys and busses. I’m curious as to what you would recommend.
Great Jordan! Another problem of the vocal is it was definitely very mangled with the tuning: when soloed the tuning artifacts are really obvious, but I can tell there are even in the context of the mix.
I noticed that too! I'm recording vocals for my band right now, and I know tuning to perfection is the way to go these days, but I'm way too perfectionistic to deliver something so glitched by tuning.
@@joelvandam yeah I know that too since I record myself. Try to get the vocals as close as possible with comping (I sometimes record like a word in a take if I really can't get that word on pitch) so that you don't have to overtune the vocals after the fact.
@@alessandrosummer Dude, I literally made a social media post about how obtuse I get when recording vocals, hating everything I do, only to find out that when I opened the file a week later, I sang almost to perfection. Haha.
@@joelvandam 😂😂😂 I wish I was that good of a singer! My vox tracks look more like samples cut by a surgeon to be sent to a laboratory
@@joelvandam Why is "tuning to perfection the way to go"? Just because some other people said so? The fact that we assume we have to do this by default is a problem. Not only do we have a century of recorded music that says otherwise, but even nowadays there are major hits that aren't tuned. See Adele's "Easy on Me" or Justin Timberlake's "Sexyback" as two examples. And that's in the pop genre. We don't have to reach far to find whole genres where tuning is used minimally if at all (indie rock, etc). Just because Jordan insists that everything in metal has to be tuned and quantized doesn't make it true.
Why not use clip gain before it even goes into a compressor?
Even your "rough" vocal track sounds better than some of the stuff I've been sent as their "best".
@@DerSilvano as in you don't hear a lawnmower on the background, or babies crying, or a TV, or the distortion is wild, or bursts of noise, or phrases so quiet that raising their volume you can hear the power supply buzz from their interface..
@@DerSilvano lol, nice.
It sounded like this dude was raising a thick hand towel up to his face every time he hit a high note. I can think of no other explanation.
High frequency attenuation when you turn your voice away from the cardioid polar pattern
I noticed on the new Mac OS (14.4 I believe) there is a mic icon that will turn orange in the top right. This is a voice isolation mode and it was reducing loudness for me. You can click on it to disable it by clicking Standard. But I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened during this recording.
Another great video, thank you so much for taking the time. Out of interest, what would you use if you were tracking the vocals? A Distressor - LA2A type? What settings would you use, the same as you're using here on the Distressor?
Yeah, that's what he says in the vid basicly. Hardware distressor with these same settings.
magic
Great video, is there a reason you didn't use clip gain on the lower parts? that would have been my first go to
Very cool. Thanks.
And there it goes, another modern metal/rock song that I will forget in less than 2 hours. Who listens to this on repeat ? 🤔 I am genuinely curious.
Awesome
I would Clip Gain the sections to get super close w/ levels then EQ, Comp… & all that we know ow to do? I think that would get to the End result sooner & most likely better?
The vocal tuning artifacts are so painful!
The vocal tuning is painful.
Super-helpful Jordan - thank you!
Not sure I would say boosting frequencies first and cutting them later is more or less “convoluted” than removing “offensive” frequencies first and then boosting afterward. As you said, you have your preference and it certainly works well for you.
If your boosting the right freq you shouldnt have to cut any,
But theres is this thing where if you put a cut next to a boost your creating a phase cancelation and some ppl say it sounds better
I’d guess its more about boosting the upper mids and treble into the compression. Get an even top end top work with, then dip what you don’t want. If you cut first, the compression will bring your cuts back up. You want to level the top end rather than have the comp acting on the lows which makes a mess. 2k and up is where all the consonants and transients live, so when you tame them with compression, and then make a cut somewhere - that frequency isn’t going to be popping in and out because the level is consistent.
@@fattommy4436 good point. It may very well end up being a quicker path to success by boosting overall and cutting back the offensive stuff later. My point was that the use of the word “convoluted” isn’t really appropriate. By cutting first and boosting overall afterward, you could certainly go back and make a deeper cut if the compression/boost ended up bringing out the stuff you don’t want to hear. That’s not “convoluted” (hard to understand) but it might indeed take another step to go back and adjust the EQ filter after the compression was applied. Being more efficient is probably a better description for the process you and Jordan are proposing, and thank you for explaining it!
I rather have him record that part again ..in tune.
Hmm... interesting. Any idea how to get the nasal sound on words like "awaaaay from meeee" etc. where it sounds like a teenage surfer? (LOL!)
My own voice gets that sound on the "uh" sounds on words where we often substitute that sound for other vowels. Would very much like a way to "fix" it, LOL!
Interesting vid... says to me that vocals are as manipulated as say, electric guitar tracks. Gotta wonder how they did some of this in the days before digital when every effect had to be a device.
Back then there were far less home amateurs recording and people were using proper studios. A lot of the fixing nowadays wouldn’t have been needed
OMG! you forgot to set the analog switch to off in the waves cla-76... :-)
What Drum Libary is used in the intrumentsals here?? Sounds like the Spiritbox Ones
"Cheat sheet" say that fast several times in a row.
I know, I always have to do multiple takes
Maybe you should just teach him how to sing
Is there tuning in the raw vocal?
Vocal intonation is most important with pitch correction. Straining to reach a note will destroy the quality of the tone even when it’s been tuned.
I need to know if this is worth it….. I canmt deal w the singers vocal style. Its like nails on a chalkboard. Should I come back?
How do you get this snare sound? Holy shit
Proximity effect
Humming breathes too obvious
Clipping many times
Much dynamic differences
Hard Auto tune on some words
Not manual vocal riding
but
6:1 ratio compression?!
Delay with no feedback trick
Micro shift are new to me
😮❤😮
I enjoyed this video and watched the video about remote producing.
Do you prefer and only work with hardcore/punk/etc.?
I write songs influenced by Jerry García, Paul Simon, Beatles, Phish, Tom Petty, etc.
If you have interest, let me know and maybe we can chat on a call. I have about 4 albums worth of material I’m planning to start recording next year. Let me know, and no biggie if it’s not your thing.
His voice was very close to the microphone
I refuse to use any 1176 plug-in that doesn’t have the needle freaking out with l buttons in mode. 😂
That tuning tho, yikes.
and the cuts too, weird production overall
that tuning is recognizable solo, not in the mix
@@simong8527might wanna listen again... it's obscured slightly but still clearly there.
Peace to the Martians on the planet Mars.
In other words you took some horrible singing and hid it behind more noise.
ugh that autotune! Great tutorial though.
What is everybody in this kind of a band sound the same?
Good question
The obvious auto tune drives me nuts. I can’t listen to that vocal line.
Totally agree
It’s not that bad in context of the whole mix with that harmonies. That’s why Melodyn for example recommends to always tune in context of the whole mix
It’s mostly fine except for those couple of artifacts, I’d have personally made the singer do some more takes lol
😂
@@empiresSR sometimes you get recordings to mix and just have to make it work.
IMHO this should be re recorded. It sounds muffled, and there is nothing you can do about it. Defintely what you did help, and the poor recording is a bit masked before of the genre, but the crispness is not there.
The point of the video is that arent always involved in the recording part, and just get sent what you get and hope for the best. Im 4 minutes in and with two plug ins its already sounding much better. Its almost as if there is something you can do!
@@stemdog I understand the point of the video. For me it still does not sound so good, and this should be rerecorded, and it could as he was the producer. Again this is just my opinion, you are free to feel differently about this sound. Sure when you don't have the choice as you said... but why not re-record it when you actually can like here
Lol, y'all music makers in 2024 still freaking out about autotune crack me up. I'm not saying it's the most transparent tune job ever, (obvi) but in the mix it sounds fine. Totally passable. Sounds great after some extra processing. I know this dude personally and he is an amazing singer. But this level of tuning is absolutely needed for modern production. Next thing everyone is gonna say is that you dont quantize drums haha 😂
It's corny to do it as a rock band period, but the reason it sounds so bad is that it was done poorly. Whoever engineered it before it was sent to Jordan should've noticed that for sure. *Some* tuning is whatever, fine, sure, but THAT tuning is egregious.
This Pitch Correction is really BAD
It has been so long, since I wrote a not generic lyric. A geneeeeric lyric
I love how bad the take is when he says "I can't believe that you're not heeeeereee" like it has this awkward level of confidence, while sounding like absolute shit. Dude needs to hang it up
@@Dethmothcreationsor, you know, practice? I'm sure you sounded amazing right from the start, though!
Comments are entertaining af 😂😂😂😂
wow , that vox is 🤮
I know it wasn’t you, but whoever turned on that autotune should never be allowed in a recording studio again.
If the singer can’t sing , find someone who can.
This is an embarrassing comment
@@user-fi1vy7jo1 Ah, so you’re a millennial
@@GavinSteiner as if being born in certain time makes you lesser or something
@@GavinSteinerand who are you?
Dude gets all upset because of too much dynamics that he completely misses disgusting "autotune" shit...epic! 😆
tip: when you take a public speaking class one of the first things they tell you is….dont smack your lips, your audience gets very annoyed very quickly, i lasted 2.5 minutes
@@guitarplayer5932 bro, good advice, but for ypu
Nogaf
@@EddySchmidt25 gfy
Right off the bat, vox sounded fine to me. Them being dynamic is a pretty common thing. A bit click baity for me.
@@DerSilvano right and that's the way it is... I'm just saying, don't imply the vocal was out of the ordinary when it's not. That's just how I feel about it.
Anyone looking for a free version of the distressor go try the kiive xtressor nuke! Goes ham