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I've blown quite a few Apex 150K accounts..... the reason is greed and lack of discipline. Working on those negative traits... took your advice and went with the 300k Apex. Thanks for the advice.
Thx Forrest, always appreciated
You are welcome 🙏🏾
Great perspective 🙏🏼
Thanks! I appreciate the support
Thank for the video bro. I have been watching your videos. You have been putting out some great information. I have a quick question bro. Realistically, how many contracts would I need to have access to inorder to make $12,800 a week on NQ?
A week? Just 1-2 in a high VIX environment. Right now the days are muted so you would need to lever up.
That being said, on average over time you only need 1-2 contracts to make that much
@@forrestforce nice. Thank you for your reply bro.
Buyer beware I've heard from 2 traders now that MFF doesn't payout! Maybe small amounts but today even Matt with trades by Matt stated that he lost his account they stating he was trading during news, he proved he wasn't they eventually recanted but after running the account up over 50K in profits they told him he could only collect 25k (hidden rule?). He got his money refunded and I guess some payout but I'm not clear if he even got the whole 25K. Their Expert account is damn good, I guess too good to be true.
They pay just fine
Forrest, 5:57 the monthly / lifetime fee on Apex which is a substantial amount for 20 accounts. So, in MFFU evaluation trailing stops when you accumulate the trail amount in profits? And in Apex the same applies only in the funded account. Correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.
What do you think about topstep?
Excellent presentation
Thank you!
Great to see more firms offering 20 accounts.
Great imput but correct me if I´m wrong but they take into account the commissions so you would blow the account in boths cases.
+-10 points then lol
correct me if im wrong but MFF lets You can have a total of 3 simulated funded accounts and 1 live funded account concurrently. so 4 accounts in total
Correct!
Would you recommend the $100k expert account or $150k expert account for a beginner? And how many contracts would you recommend using
The expert is better value overall BUT is is expensive. No matter what you get start with 1-2 NQ
Can you trade MFF on ninga trader?
You need to add the activation dollars to the APEX number!!!
Good callout
thanks for this breakdown, and helping people think in terms of actual calculations and not guessing! seems like you were mixing mnq and nq in the diagram, so it was slightly confusing (i.e. mnq was the chart, but you were talkinga bout NQ)...rewound and i see i missed it..you just decided to take off with talking in terms of NQ. lol
Good catch! That’s my bad there. Luckily the charts are the same for the most party
Can you have apex and mmf accounts. Linked together in a copy trader via ninja?
Yep! I use replikanto
@@forrestforceHi, do you have a video on setting up the copy trader with MFF and Apex?
Just a little correction, It should be MMFU, since this is how they call themselves and there is already a firm called MFF
You are correct!
Do Topstep, Apex and MFF pros vs Cons
I’ll add it to the list!
What was the other prop that lets you do 20 accounts?
Apex! Link is 👇
@@forrestforce you mentioned another prop that does 20 accounts, flexy?
23 minute video that could be explained in 3 minutes
10 word comment that increases my engagement!
He likes to talk but there are a lot of nuggets of beneficial information in his rants. Keep talking so much, my man.
Where are the stats that show it is better to use EOD. I haven't seen the payouts from traders that would prove that to be true so far.
By what logic would a trailing stop be better than an EOD? Plus unless you have cross form data the only real way to know is to run a community where you can see hundreds of people’s journeys across firms.
It’s 100% possible to pass with a trailing, I’ve done it many times! The point remains that for newbies, it’s another layer of difficulty
@@forrestforcedefinitely more challenging. As with most things, higher risk for higher reward.
I’m more concerned with APEX approving my first payout, I needed to be high frequency and scalpy in the beginning of PA to get past the trailing drawdown lol
@@forrestforce That is an easy one. A lot of gains are lost by not taking profit. Imagine a trade going up $1000 and then it comes back while a trader is waiting on that $2000 move and they end up breakeven or losing the account. If EOD accounts were truly better then the evaluation passage rates would show it and ultimately the payouts. The payouts for EOD prop firms are noticeably sparce if you just use their own discords as evidence.
@@lbriggsYT Lmfao what. Do you own a prop firm? The only people that rule is good for are the owners😆
What stats would you need to see and how would you have a way to control for variables? Like the availability of EOD accounts vs intraday and also the price difference?
Does MFF. Pays traders in Nigeria??
No idea I would just ask in the discord
@@forrestforce thank you. I wasted my money on Apex and passed, then I realized they do not service my country. I wasted my money, time and hope.
What day was that 400 point is wild
That’s what happens when the VIX pops!
Becuae with multiple accts you actually can spread the risk
You aren't spreading out risk if you trade every account the same, your expectancy is entirely the same.
You are simple multiplying it
@@forrestforce I can make 2000 a day risking $200 per PA but if I want to make 2000 in a single account I have to risk a lot more
good explanation bro. but at 180 points u would have passed the apex.
depends on leverage
Are you on the Apex payout list?
Yep!
@@forrestforce congratulations
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Let's say you start with 1 ATF account with a $3,000 draw down. Then, you scale up to 3 identical ATF accounts. Do you then have a dd of $3,000 on each of those 3 accounts, or do you now have effectively a $1,000 dd on each of your 3 accounts? If this is true, then 20 accounts would leave you with only a $150. dd on each. I used to be on your discord but could never ascertain this.
Drawdown is separate to each account. Having and using 20 accounts is basically like scaling your account, both with the profit target and drawdown
There’s no daily drawdown on apex