The trainees in the study about resensitization blocks lost muscle in the 3 week detraining period, but regained faster, and did not have the same plateau at 6 months as the continuous training group. Also, there is research showing that a gene that codes for contractile proteins gets blocked and progressively deactivated over a period of about 6 weeks and that it gets unlblocked in about 10-20 days of detraining. SO their clearly is a mechanism that causes faster gain of muscle after detraining. It's also clear that it is muscle specific.
James Krieger at 10:30 referencing study "Muscle Hypertrophy Response Is Affected by Previous Resistance Training Volume in Trained Individuals. Scarpelli et al. (2020)"
Can relate to James' experience during not training during Covid. There have been 3 times in my life where I was forced into a complete non-training hiatus of a month or more. All 3 instances resulted in hyper-gains (physique looking really crazy good) and new levels of strength. It wasn't only muscle memory, but crazy resensitization and repair. And this was all from 40 years old and on (I am 44 now, have been training for 23 years)
Good to know, that those times might be beneficial 👍. I probably won't do it on purpose soo, but if something forces me to quit training completely it won't bother me as much 😊
I can too sis. I had two children and both C-Sections. Abdominals were wrecked. The second pregnancy I had placenta previa so was put on complete rest for 7 months. Can back stronger than ever but I believe heavy lifting years before pregnancy helped. Muscle memory is awesome.
Hi, Paul Serafini here… 53:47: this is simply because of drugs. For a while now I’ve said maintenance phases are for maintenance doses. Why would we do our most volume, our hardest training, waste our highest level of dedication, and potentially expose ourselves to higher risk when we aren’t growing and we are on our lowest doses? On the other end of the spectrum naturals have to come up with some other reason why they’d purposely put themselves in a position to grow less. Which I’m sure there are plenty of reasons regarding injury mitigation or psychological benefit but I think we’d have a hard time supporting any direct benefit to putting yourself in a position to gain less for the sake of gaining more later.
GREAT SHOW!! 💪💪❤️❤️‼️ I always rewind a couple times during each talk because my mind starts thinking about what one of you just said and then I realize I missed more of what you said, so I rewind because you guys share such great point of views. This talk however, I had to rewind several times! Great talk as always, so many different point of views to think about! THANK YOU!!
On the speech ability to present his opinion in articulated but at the same time laser focus to the point fashion Mike’s on another level imo.. overall great discussion with top level professionals👌🏼
At 6:02 Mike talks about the deep chemical response to hypertrophy that induces fatigue and may put a damper on gains. I would be fascinated to read more into this. Is it discussed in the RP hypertrophy book?
I have a question for mike: During a post cycle therapy, when does muscle loss/weight fluctuations stabilize, (does muscle loss still continue even if we are back in "normal" physiological hormonal enviroment and eucaloric state), so we can continue to program our nutrition according to body weight measurements?
can you please do a round table about mike's recommendation of "maintenance periods of 2/3 to 1x the length of the fat loss phase that preceded it" There is no evidence for this resetting hunger hormones apart from his experience.
I definitely don't have the data on hand, but I know Eric covered this a lot through MASS and 3DMJ in general with the recovery diet. But I agree and will pass on the idea, it could be a cool and useful chat, thanks for the suggestion :) - Coach Jess
Maybe someone can help me, Mike said in a Revive Podcast about the resensitasation phases that it's not necessary doing a strength phase but with training more close to failure is enough.
Mike is on so often, it's tricky to pinpoint one single thing he said :/ During primer phases you do want to focus on lower rep ranges than usual even if it's not strength training per se, and using the usual RIR scheme you'd follow through a normal meso! - Coach Jess
The studies seem too heterogeneous to actually interpret meaningful results for advanced lifters. What works for a beginner/intermediate likely won't be nuanced enough to be meaningfully applied to an advanced lifter. As for deloads, i'd imagine a lot of is relief of psychological stress and muscle damage
Menno and his reactive deloads... don't fix something if it isn't broken? We fast forward to his chronic lower back issues .. hubris in podcast manifestation. I don't understand Menno sometimes. I think he likes to be contrarian to be contrarian but I wonder if he's since changed his stance on proactively reducing volume load intensity before letting injuries arise. Also waiting on his stance on carbs for hypertrophy to evolve lol.
A proactive deload wouldn't guarantee injury prevention either though. Not saying being proactive is useless either though. I think you could still plan deloads but then change plans as new things emerge (proactive and reactive or top down and bottoms up). His thoughts on carbs and their necessity for hypertrophy training seems to be in line with the research as far as I know.
@@joeymoneymo makes sense deload plans with wiggle room. His stance hasn't changed despite his injuries and nagging issues. Heard a podcast recently where he simultaneously admits he's at his natty max and still trains TO FAILURE daily despite also mentioning maintenance volume is much lower than most people think. His stance on carbs isn't in line with physiology but perhaps in line with the bulk of the research on 18year old newbs to training for 8weeks. Carbs doesn't make a difference for them. Carbs makes a difference for ATP-PC regeneration via glycolyis. Glycogen usage is essential for repeated targetted muscle contractions under load. Glycogen repletion is needed at the intramyofibrillar area of type 2 fibres to resequester calcium for repeated intense muscle contractions. Basically once a lifter becomes intermediate to advanced and needs more volume to grow that's when carbs and the ability to oxidize carbs makes a difference. There's not much research on that other than Louise Burke showing carbs are better for anaerobic intensity in elite athletes. She found targeting keto doesn't help keto athletes because they're unable to oxidize carbs they're fat adapted not carb adapted.
The trainees in the study about resensitization blocks lost muscle in the 3 week detraining period, but regained faster, and did not have the same plateau at 6 months as the continuous training group. Also, there is research showing that a gene that codes for contractile proteins gets blocked and progressively deactivated over a period of about 6 weeks and that it gets unlblocked in about 10-20 days of detraining. SO their clearly is a mechanism that causes faster gain of muscle after detraining. It's also clear that it is muscle specific.
Some of the best minds in the industry.
Indeed! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Dr mike knows how to use lighting to shadow his eyes. I think he was asleep most the podcast 😄
Haha, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
James Krieger at 10:30 referencing study "Muscle Hypertrophy Response Is Affected by Previous Resistance Training Volume in Trained Individuals. Scarpelli et al. (2020)"
🙏🏼🙏🏼
Ogus in the building 💪🏼
Thanks for sharing this, Peter!!
- Coach Jess
Can relate to James' experience during not training during Covid. There have been 3 times in my life where I was forced into a complete non-training hiatus of a month or more. All 3 instances resulted in hyper-gains (physique looking really crazy good) and new levels of strength. It wasn't only muscle memory, but crazy resensitization and repair. And this was all from 40 years old and on (I am 44 now, have been training for 23 years)
Good to know, that those times might be beneficial 👍. I probably won't do it on purpose soo, but if something forces me to quit training completely it won't bother me as much 😊
I can too sis. I had two children and both C-Sections. Abdominals were wrecked. The second pregnancy I had placenta previa so was put on complete rest for 7 months. Can back stronger than ever but I believe heavy lifting years before pregnancy helped. Muscle memory is awesome.
That's awesome to read, thanks for sharing this! And thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Thx for the free information and content. These discussions are awesome!
Happy to help and thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Yes! I'm so stocked for this roundtable!!
Hope you enjoyed it, thanks for the support!
- Coach Jess
Love these roundtables! FINALLY! 🙏
Gotta hand it to Menno: his beard game is on point 👌
Awesome to hear, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Excellent guest list!
Indeed!! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Great chat as usual Steve 🔥
Much appreciated, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
We need more studies on this
Yup, like everything in bodybuilding tbh xD Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Dr mike would make a brilliant Zordon
Thanks for watching :)
- Coach Jess
Hi, Paul Serafini here… 53:47: this is simply because of drugs. For a while now I’ve said maintenance phases are for maintenance doses. Why would we do our most volume, our hardest training, waste our highest level of dedication, and potentially expose ourselves to higher risk when we aren’t growing and we are on our lowest doses?
On the other end of the spectrum naturals have to come up with some other reason why they’d purposely put themselves in a position to grow less. Which I’m sure there are plenty of reasons regarding injury mitigation or psychological benefit but I think we’d have a hard time supporting any direct benefit to putting yourself in a position to gain less for the sake of gaining more later.
Thanks for sharing this, Paul!
And thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
GREAT SHOW!! 💪💪❤️❤️‼️ I always rewind a couple times during each talk because my mind starts thinking about what one of you just said and then I realize I missed more of what you said, so I rewind because you guys share such great point of views. This talk however, I had to rewind several times! Great talk as always, so many different point of views to think about! THANK YOU!!
Same this 1h07 podcast was more like 2h Lol
Thank you for your support, as always!
- Coach Jess
Great episode, really enjoyed it. Huge thumbs up for RS as usual ! :)
Thanks again, glad you enjoyed it!!
- Coach Jess
Nice to hear from the best minds around on this subject
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Its back! My favourite content on TH-cam.
Thanks for watching :D
- Coach Jess
Awesome content, as always!! Great job Steve
Thanks for the support!
- Coach Jess
I was really stoked for this. Great one.
Glad to hear it, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Really excited for this one!
Hope you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
@@ReviveStronger I did for sure!!!
On the speech ability to present his opinion in articulated but at the same time laser focus to the point fashion Mike’s on another level imo.. overall great discussion with top level professionals👌🏼
Thank you so much!
- Coach Jess
I’m back in the fitness game. 2 stage diet starts now for summer 2022.
Crush it, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Sleep is a an important factor and this video sure helped.
Glad to hear and thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
At 6:02 Mike talks about the deep chemical response to hypertrophy that induces fatigue and may put a damper on gains. I would be fascinated to read more into this. Is it discussed in the RP hypertrophy book?
I'm not too sure but you should go ahead and ask them on their FB for their weekly Q&A!
- Coach Jess
I have a question for mike: During a post cycle therapy, when does muscle loss/weight fluctuations stabilize, (does muscle loss still continue even if we are back in "normal" physiological hormonal enviroment and eucaloric state), so we can continue to program our nutrition according to body weight measurements?
I think it would be best to ask him directly for the weekly webinar with James and himself :)
- Coach Jess
@@ReviveStronger id be so happy if it is asked, coach jess 😄
Great podcast 😊👍
Much appreciated, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
It's nice to see James finally escape the prison cell he's been broadcasting from for the last 5 years.
Actually, it’s good to know he’s still alive
Looks like Dr. Mike traded him places though 🤣
xD Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
can you please do a round table about mike's recommendation of "maintenance periods of 2/3 to 1x the length of the fat loss phase that preceded it" There is no evidence for this resetting hunger hormones apart from his experience.
I definitely don't have the data on hand, but I know Eric covered this a lot through MASS and 3DMJ in general with the recovery diet. But I agree and will pass on the idea, it could be a cool and useful chat, thanks for the suggestion :)
- Coach Jess
Maybe someone can help me, Mike said in a Revive Podcast about the resensitasation phases that it's not necessary doing a strength phase but with training more close to failure is enough.
Mike is on so often, it's tricky to pinpoint one single thing he said :/ During primer phases you do want to focus on lower rep ranges than usual even if it's not strength training per se, and using the usual RIR scheme you'd follow through a normal meso!
- Coach Jess
I’m always waiting for James Krieger to get pissed off and morph into the Hulk. It will happen.
Haha maybe maybe! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Yes Steve, let's go broski. Look forward to this one. Perfect Donut eating material xD
Haha super jealous, thanks for the support!
- Coach Jess
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
43:49 Menno used Dr Mikes classic line lol
Drink everytime James says you know
Great game indeed xD Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
What is the platform you use to record your podcast
Zoom :)
- Coach Jess
Ok. So what did Mike say off air???
I'm yet to know haha! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
The 'swoly' trinity!!!
Indeed! Thanks for watching :)
- Coach Jess
Roundtables are like Marvel events, with few superheroes in one movie :)
Agreed haha, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
The studies seem too heterogeneous to actually interpret meaningful results for advanced lifters. What works for a beginner/intermediate likely won't be nuanced enough to be meaningfully applied to an advanced lifter. As for deloads, i'd imagine a lot of is relief of psychological stress and muscle damage
Thanks for sharing this and thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Mike is in solitary confinement
xD Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Anyone else I a low(er) volume phase atm? 👀🤩
Not at the moment but looking forward to one post prep haha! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Yussss
Hope you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
What’s up with James’s mustache?
Not too sure xD Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Mike lookin like a Sith Lord
Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Menno and his reactive deloads... don't fix something if it isn't broken? We fast forward to his chronic lower back issues .. hubris in podcast manifestation. I don't understand Menno sometimes. I think he likes to be contrarian to be contrarian but I wonder if he's since changed his stance on proactively reducing volume load intensity before letting injuries arise. Also waiting on his stance on carbs for hypertrophy to evolve lol.
A proactive deload wouldn't guarantee injury prevention either though. Not saying being proactive is useless either though. I think you could still plan deloads but then change plans as new things emerge (proactive and reactive or top down and bottoms up). His thoughts on carbs and their necessity for hypertrophy training seems to be in line with the research as far as I know.
@@joeymoneymo makes sense deload plans with wiggle room. His stance hasn't changed despite his injuries and nagging issues. Heard a podcast recently where he simultaneously admits he's at his natty max and still trains TO FAILURE daily despite also mentioning maintenance volume is much lower than most people think. His stance on carbs isn't in line with physiology but perhaps in line with the bulk of the research on 18year old newbs to training for 8weeks. Carbs doesn't make a difference for them. Carbs makes a difference for ATP-PC regeneration via glycolyis. Glycogen usage is essential for repeated targetted muscle contractions under load. Glycogen repletion is needed at the intramyofibrillar area of type 2 fibres to resequester calcium for repeated intense muscle contractions. Basically once a lifter becomes intermediate to advanced and needs more volume to grow that's when carbs and the ability to oxidize carbs makes a difference. There's not much research on that other than Louise Burke showing carbs are better for anaerobic intensity in elite athletes. She found targeting keto doesn't help keto athletes because they're unable to oxidize carbs they're fat adapted not carb adapted.
Dr. Mike lookin like Sheev Palpatine
Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
What was mike gonna say? What was mike gonna say???
If only we knew!!
Thanks for watching :)
- Coach Jess
James Krieger is awesome… but he says “y’know” a whole lot 😅.
Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
Damn, what a tongue twister. Lol.
It is haha! Thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess
One size does not fit at all. I'm not into cookie cutter.
Thanks for sharing :)
- Coach Jess
Algorithm comment.
Thank you, much appreciated :)
- Coach Jess
Stop Israetel from waffling on and labouring the point tiresomely next time please, Steve.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, and thanks for watching!
- Coach Jess