Why Tavarish Will Never Ever Finish His Mclaren
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That hybrid system is idiotic.
Just another way of grabbing the $ of those foolish enough to dish it out.
When I’ve read the title of this video, my only thought was: “Finally a respectful youtuber tells everyone that making 50 videos about one vehicle restoration is lame.” I was truly expecting that statement to appear at least at some point of this video. Unfortunately, car youtubers haven’t become honest enough with their audiences yet and haven’t yet decided to tell the truth. And the truth is - making 50 videos about one single McLaren restoration is lame. I got bored on the sixth P1 episode, and I was expecting the Tavarish to accomplish the whole project in about 10-15 videos total, like he did with his blue McLaren. It was interesting to watch. I’ve watched every single episode. I don’t watch the P1 series because there’s too much water in every new video, and I don’t have that extra time for that, even considering that I could have gained some knowledge watching the P1 series. I don’t lose much, skipping Tavarish videos, just like he doesn’t lose much without me watching the P1 series. But I wish he did put as much effort into his series like he did 5 years ago.
Mate my trademark is disagreeing with everybody, so if I see a trend in a comment sections, it is usually wrong, because like you pointed out, masses are dumb on youtube, dumber.
As for Tavarsih's P1, can hardly change the oil in my car, I would not even begin to try to tell him what to do with his car.
And I agree it's disease that does more than just upset youtubers, it screws up society, otherwise all the sheeple would not be all be saying "it's a conspiracy" as soon as you point out there is a conspiracy going on.
Rich, despite his antics, is a wise and sensible person. This is a perfect arguement and Freddie is lucky to have a friend to keep him on a successful track on an expensive and risky project. Nice job, guys.
but he is not being honest in his summary. He is saying that the engine will be upgraded but then making all the references to the old hybrid system, that logic is flawed, I know myself I assumed that would also be upgraded otherwise why spend 3 episodes on it.
@@xhorxhi77 it's a project, not a scripted reality show, lmao. Asking why he spent 3 episodes on something he abandoned is like expecting the man to read the future. If anything, the fact he spent 3 episodes on it meant that he tried his best and then decided going in another direction made more sense
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
Remember, Rich is making points for a decision he likely influenced Tavarish into making. Ask yourself this, if the P1 came from the factory without a hybrid system would it of been part of the holy trinity? Would a destroyed example sell for $600k when a brand new 765lt is $400k? Rich is clearly biased here. It is what it is, we'll all see how it plays out.
@@clips1404 except it almost is, this is highly scripted in the sense that prior to the purchase a whole roadmap on the build was laid out in order to secure a budget from sponsors. Ditching this at the 11th hour is due to contractual obligations to said sponsors that want to see the car at SEMA. If he was going to invest so much of the project on the Hybrid aspect of it, then some sort of working solution should have been budgeted to the build.
Otherwise, should have just said from day 1 that the hybrid was a no go. As watchers, and by extension, customers of his content (yes he profits off our views don't forget that) we have grounds on which to be aggrieved by this choice.
The hybrid system was going to be a nightmare, big up for Tavarish
Not that the rest of the car won't be still....lol
There was no point in buying the car to just take out the hole reason you bought the car. Could have done what hes doing to a 720 and saved the half mill he spent. Car is a pile of shit and he cheaped out trying to fix it. Its a dud but he cant say that cuz hes on the hook for so much.
@@scottb9868 he said he wanted to create the ultimate spiritual successor of the F1, and that only can be the P1. A 720, 765,... could never achieve this. And I think this kind of thinking, seeing it as the successor of the old legend, works even better without the Hybrid System, which is outdated anyway.
@@jf7009 Thats called a Mclaren Senna. He isnt doing anything magical, Hes stripping parts off a car because he cant afford it.
@@scottb9868 what color is your Mclaren? You should not speak like that about someone who literally owns a P1, and rebuilding the Hybrid system has no advantage. That is a fact. And why would anyone take a Senna if the P1 is way more beautiful and the official successor of the F1?
Kudos for making this video and supporting Freddie. Surprised that so many people kicked off about the hybrid decision, when it made total sense to remove it.
Most people don’t even know much and are just following wherever the wind blows 😂
That's the point though - it made sense to do it. But I don't want to watch somebody doing things that make sense. It's a $600,000 flood-destroyed hypercar. That doesn't make sense. Why cut out a really interesting problem like the hybrid system?
If I wanted "sense" I'd have watched somebody buy a nearly new Toyota Corolla.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Does it make sense to spend 120k and wait a year for a system that might not work at all? While also hindering his own goal for the car?
@@YoungShul It wouldn't cost that much at all. He's not going to get the original McLaren battery. You could get a custom better one for less than a tenth of that price now.
@@drunkenhobo8020 that custom one you are mentioning was in the video. They said themselves it would take a year and cost 120k. And custom poses an even bigger risk of it just not working
I really appreciate you sticking up for a friend. I watched the video when decision was made. Had no clue people got upset by it
Freddie's P1 is his P1. I don't care what he does with it as long as he does something to it- cause that's what he said. It's not like he's asking money from his viewers. We watch for free and we can watch or not watch. Seriously, I don't get where the "hate" comes from.
I hate that it’s not my custom refurbished P1.
because that's the nature of people today.
@@williebrown2525 Everybody's favorite pastime in the 2020's. Whining and complaining in some comment section.
@@heiner71 I think it's awesome that he's even attempting such a monumental task
That’s the thing tho. If we don’t watch. He wouldn’t even be able to do this in the first place. He’s abandoning his audience. When he actually needs them more than ever.
Bro for the fact that you made this video shows how genuine of a friend you are to Tavarish. I hope you both finish these projects ON YOUR TIME and not pressured from us idiots xD stay amazing Rich!
Rich likely influenced Tavarish's decision to remove hybrid. He is defending himself as much as Tavarish here.
Be careful being friends with Tavarish, he gives you a yugo than sleeps with your fiancé.
@TimothyReason : That's 1 hell of an accusation to make without providing any proof.
@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM Does anyone care?
@@barryschwarz : Does anyone not care? What a stupid fukn question.
I was originally one of those disappointed. While it would be "cool" to have the battery, the performance gains are obvious and vital to Tavarish's completion of the P1. Thanks so much for the video, it absolutely helped me see exactly why he decided to ditch it!
If the electric motors drive the front wheels I'd have said restore the hybrid. In the P1 the electric motor drives the rear wheels and is used to fill in turbo lag. Modern turbos have heaps less lag so the issue is far less important. If the minimal lag still bothers then go the koenisegg route and have a compressed air system to instantly spool the turbos. So I reckon Freddy made the right decision, especially given the weight loss.
@@daniellarge9784 Yes. Whatever he lost on response, he gains back on handling. Weight is the enemy of handling, and the more weight the car loses the better it will handle. A 3000 lbs car pulling 1G lateral acceleration is making it's tires grip for 3000 lbs on the pavement. Less weight requires less from the tires.
But i'm not really sure if Tavarish will use any of that newfound grip anyway 🤷
Really nice to see you having Freddy’s back, to the extent of breaking down why it makes sense. He knows what he’s doing. I love watching & very much appreciate you all.
Too bad Freddy didn’t have Robert’s back while he was sleeping with Robert’s fiancé and ruining cheating on his wife and daughter.
@@TimothyReasonproof?
@TimothyReason you have no proof of what you said and I have now report your comment.
@@chriscollins550 I have posted it three times and it’s been deleted. Tavarish tagged his new woman and the woman’s accounts have posts and pictures of Robert from aging wheels. Robert made posts indicating what happened but never said who. There are posts that outline everything with links to it but it gets deleted. Jared said he stopped working with Freddy because of his actions off camera. It’s out there.
@@TimothyReason Nothing proven or hard facts. Two and two like this makes potato. If you haven't got the evidence and all the facts then you should keep it shut.
I love that you'll take this time to support people, congrats Rich, respect.
He talks about tav so that tav will talk about him. In the end they just promote each other so they can both make more money.
Sure there's a part of it that is "support". But overall, it's just business.
And you're "paying" for it.
When you see small channels able to make a complete crashed car rebuild fit in a 20 min video and then rich people making 20x20min videos to do a 2 hour mod... You just start wondering who's actually putting in work, and who's just milking the system. Without even talking about the clickbait, fake and staged crap vids etc...
I find it quite sad, makes people become naive, not really smarter.
Rich, you're one of the few reasons why TH-cam is a place that I come back to. The ignorance on youtube/other social media is unbelievable yet we have some amazing channels just like yours that enlightens the people and promotes common sense. I genuinely can't thank you enough for your work and wishing you the best luck with your Mclaren rebuild.
Couldn'it say it better, Rich you said it very good and even convinced me. At first I was a pro-hybrid but after watching this I changed my mind. Thanks for being clear and helping Tavarish with this which he didnt deserve all this hate.
Fred ditching the hybrid system, was the best thing he did on the P1. Let's face it, trying to bring it back to stock, the P1 would end up as a luxury chicken coop in Samcrac farm near the multiple Ferrari 360s used by the cows to scratch their backs.
Why by a P1 if you are just going to turn it into a standard maclaren...
@@monkayjim999 He's in the content business. That makes perfect sense.
nah most people expected a cool rebuilt P1 not a 720s with a built motor and body kit
@@MT-qu4tk Rebuilding it to stock specs, wouldn't worth it. Too many exclusive parts. Add to that, it wouldn't worth the same as a mint condition one.
I think possiblely getting a really higher end up grade drive system later on would be great additional content after the build is done and some cost recouped
Freddy's P1 will be the first of many P1s to ditch the electrical system. Watch.
Agree
He should stop calling its a P1 PERIOD
@@juiceplanet147 No. He shouldn’t. It’s still a P1. Get over yourself.
@@juiceplanet147"StOp CaLlinG iT tHe p1"😂
That's an excellent way to turn a $2,000,000 hypercar into a $200,000 supercar. There are a lot of fools out there.
I’m glad you addressed this, especially as someone who commented in favor of the hybrid system. As complex as I’m sure it is, my hope was Tavarish would modernize this hybrid system. Yes, I understand that’s most likely a huge undertaking, and it’s easy to have such desires from behind the keyboard. It did feel a little like he glossed over the topic quickly and could have helped ease the tension by addressing further. All said, I don’t own a McLaren or anything close to it, so take any of this with many grains of salt. Regardless, good on ya for standing up for your friend!
You make a lot of good points. I only have 1 question remaining: if you remove all of parts that differentiated the p1 from the other McLarens then what was the point of paying the massive premium for a P1 in the first place?
He didn't pay the premium to begin with
He paid 575k for a totalled P1. This is more than the 720s brand freaking new. If this isn’t a premium I don’t know what is. If Tarvarish started the video with Rich explaining the whole thing then there won’t be any uproar.
@@krisl3228 tbf, I think a 720 build wouldn't do nearly as well in terms of youtube views and revenue considering he just did a 675LT build which was insane in of itself.
@@krisl3228 A P1 with battery, e-clutch, electrical harness and e-motor removed and an engine with higher horsepower could be a fantastic opportunity. Imagine the debates if the hybrid system is removed and it performs much better in terms of manoeuvrability and acceleration? You normally don't get to have those kinds of debates with S-tier cars. (I say this as someone who believes in electrification of vehicles but a general interest in vehicle engineering)
@@HenryKlausEsq.Doesn't the weight also help keep the car planted.
You’ve definitely changed my previous opinion on the hybrid drive system. Great video. One of the reasons I’ll continue to watch this channel. Keep putting out the great content. Thanks for sticking up for Tavarish.
Sticking up for his friend and bringing people to the reality of the project… I love it
He's salty and out of order. Never bite the hand that feeds you
Cry more.@@pete1208
@pete1208 : Get a fukn grip of yourself! All he's done is tell you something that you don't agree with, there's nothing salty about it.
Alright, man, I'm back on board. Thanks for taking the time to break this all down. I suppose the thing I found irritating was that removing the hybrid drive meant that it was no longer what I felt to be a proper restoration. But in the cold light of day, the hybrid drive just kind of sucks by today's standards.
imho...the vehicle was in such a state, I never felt it could ever really be properly restored.
Rich, I was one of the first guys to comment on the tavarish build saying he should have saved $500k and just modded his 675. In truth I wanted to see him update and improve the hybrid system with todays tech not realising there are specific advantages to using the P1 chassis without adding in planned obsolescence. It’s great you could clear things up and thanks for taking the time to explain.
Then he wouldn't get the same amount of attention/views/subs, saving the P1 is a good PR for his channel
Barrie I don't think you understand how getting attention works
This is what’s going to happen. He will hit a technical snag. He’ll be overwhelmed and he will announce a new project. I used to love Tavarish when he took on projects he could handle in his garage in NJ. When he moved to Florida and got the Gallardo, I watched the entire series hoping to see everything fixed… when he couldn’t fix the roof, he basically gave up and started piling on different projects he never finishes… I gave up on his channel because it just wasn’t fun to see nothing completed
it’s a free 176hp and more importantly crazy amount of torque on top of whatever the peak engine hp is from his upgraded built engine. 176 additional hp, even more torque with no loss in engine efficiency, or added heat etc to the engine. On demand instant hp/tq at the cost of a measly 110lbs that actually helps to lower the cars center of gravity and 50/50 balance. The old battery was much heavier, the new McLaren battery is more than half the weight of the original, so they are heavily exaggerating the added weight as the technology has been recently upgraded and lightened significantly over the years
@@jonathanrollins7292 it's not only battery weight, the electric motor has also weight.
Don't hold back, Rich, tell us how you really feel! But you are totally right, ditching the hybrid system on the P1 is totally the right call. With the engine build he's doing, he'll be adding way more than 175 HP with a huge weight reduction, which will help braking and handling too.
i don't really know anything about cars, i just found this channel by mistake and thought it was really interesting, but for Tuvarish, if he "beefs" up the engine and then decided to restore the hybrid drive thing, with the engine putting out more power than what was designed couldn't that also have caused more problems in the future? like the electric motor is only putting out so much power and is only suspected to hold onto so much power when shifting, so if he did something like gave his car like 500 more horsepower then couldn't just the power alone actually make the hybrid system break or be alot worse and actually be worse for the car instead of a boost of power?
@@Arcella1981i dont think the motor would care too much since it's just adding power, as long as rpm is similiar. When shifting, power is cut to the engine anyways for a split second. Maybe if the engine revs through the rpm range really fast the motor would be less effective, not sure
@@Arcella1981the v8 alone makes 832 hp
@@Arcella1981 The entire hybrid system cables connectors batteries modules etc.. was really the worst affected in Tavarish flooded P1 car.. and because is way to expensive to be properly fully restored and let's say that even if he will do it it, will it be out-dated so is not worth to add it back into the car even if would have new lighter batteries the car would still be heavy that is why all the money Freddy (Tavarish) will spend will go split in 2 major directions for the P1 build :1) to a new wider-carbon body-kit (because original OE body panels that need to be replaced since were damaged in flood are also crazy expensive and factory delays to supply it would take way too longer to finish the project and 2) rest of the money for increasing the original motor performance, dyno tuning and other performance oriented parts & setups..
And this is why I watch Rich...he spells out the what and why behind the decisions made with the creations he builds. Tavarish does get a little more emotionally involved with his cars, and that might lead to how he phrases his decisions. Having said that, I support his decision to remove the hybrid system and build a more potent engine in its place. Thank you Rich, and Good Luck to Freddie!
Awesome video! Definitely not what I was expecting, and great defense for Tavarish! Looking forward to the race at the end!
Agree with Rich on ditching the Hybrid in the P1 - once Freddy explained his logic this to me I was sold on it - but I won't actually know until I get to drive it. Superb video Rich :)
But no really, guys please watch my Mclaren video my mom didn't like it - th-cam.com/video/pb33b4_lsxc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1oalqjdOs9uPYUAm
I'm so sick of Tavarish shills, even if his smile makes angels moist.
10:19 why don’t you just admit it that you don’t know how to do it⁉️🙄🇺🇸🤡🤬🇬🇧
10:59 🤡🇺🇸
Arrange an interview with Gordon Murray and see what he thinks about it. I bet he will agree to remove the hybrid system.
@@pcihector would he F🤬CK 🇺🇸🤡
Rich is a great and true friend. Love to see when TH-camrs look out for each other.
Or...he has given bad advice to his friend and tries damage control. Of course it is the viewers fault.
@@ralfulrich6254tavarish got advice from McLaren, battery rebuilding experts and his friend who has ran a groundbreaking electric car repair company for years. But it's the random YT commenters that are experts. I bet you're loved at work(if you got one).
Just don’t be a friend like Tavarish who lies to his friends and sleeps with their fiancé.
@richrebuilds this is fantastic information and content, it’s great to see these high profile vids going in an awesome direction that the mass thinks they don’t want. Stoked for the race.
Man, thank you for this video! It would be fun to have the hybrid system, but Freddy is no automotive company with a huge R&D department. Completely support Tavarish's decision and glad you support you friend too! I love this community
He is not even calling it a actual P1 anymore. He named it the P1-Evo. His car, his money, his decision.
Not his money. It’s a loan. Which needs to be repaid. Repaid either by TH-cam revenue, or selling the car.
Pissing his viewers off is not a smart move financially. Also the car loses a ton of value without the hybrid. A restored P1 might worth a million bucks, but not like this…
This is a good point. Freddy should lean heavily on this, that the project is not a restoration project. There are other P1s that can be restoration / preservation museum pieces.
@@juzolivalue lol. It lost its value after the flood. His money, his car, cry about it
@@juzolii was excited for the full restoration but that is such a dumb take, he wont make any profit selling this only counting the money hed put in it now. and hed need to put down hundreds more to get it fully dinished. and hed get better veiws actually being able to upload a build, making it not hybrid makes the build progress actually possible in a year, with a refurbished battery or custom one itd take years to fully finish the p1. fact is your in the minority, most people dont hear p1 rebuild and freak out bc theyre gonna see a hybrid system rebuilt. they want to see progress
He should rename it to McLaren P1200 as a nod to the internal name the car had AND as a reference to the Hp number...
Brilliant explanation Rich and you’re clearly a great friend for sticking up for your buddy. I thought I was the only one that left a positive comment on Freddie’s video and couldn’t believe the negativity. Yes his decision was controversial but often the best and most successful ones are. I applaud him for doing this and applaud you for standing up for him. 👏👏🙏🙏
Ps. + 1 subscriber 👍
He could have absolutely kept the hybrid system. A lot of people are not aware but the 156,000 dollar battery that McLaren is selling is different from the original p1 battery pack. In 2020 when the McLaren speedtail came out , it featured a new and improved battery pack that weighs only 110 pounds, the original p1 battery weighs 234 pounds. McLaren offered p1 owners the chance to upgrade their batteries to the one from the speedtail with new tuning for better acceleration. Only downside is the new electric only range is less than half of the original electric range from the p1. But owners benefit from over 100 pounds weight saving and better acceleration. So if he did decide to buy a new battery pack from McLaren, he would not be getting the battery pack that you guys pulled out. He would be getting the battery pack in the McLaren speedtail. And McLaren offered p1 owners a 6 year warranty along with it.
If that happens that nice...but do u really think Maclaren will provide him the battery pack fr his salvaged P1.... Even u know how much Maclaren helped in this project..
As an actual electrical obsolescence engineer, which I am currently actually hired as, I do agree with Rich. He makes a very good point about batteries and their management systems becoming obsolete real fast. Something the EV market almost never tells you too.
I was under the impression that he was going to add a new (modern) hybrid system as well as modifying the motor. With the exception of programming the motor or ECU to communicate with the new pieces; i really hoped he could find some company with a battery system to really make something unique. Either way I still want to see this build complete in what ever form it takes.
also he is trying to get it ready for SEMA which starts in about 2 weeks? lol I think the complexity about installing any hybrid system is going to take a long time, so maybe i the mid future he will, but for SEMA, I dont think so, maybe some of his sponsors wants the car to be there
It's not worth installing it though. Nothing about it makes the car better. The cost alone will add another 300k to it for no benefit. The car is 10x better without it.
@@santiagooehler yea I think thats the case for now. Will still be a killer build at the end of it all just with the new body kit alone.
@@duanebailey6253 just hopes and dreams on my part. I would like to believe there are some companies who would love to have someone test their product, but i just have no idea how far stand alone systems have come thus far.
This is what makes a good friend, thank you for breaking it down for the masses. This makes sense me and I think it's dumb for people to unsub him for his choices for his car.
I understand what you are saying about the P1 but, two things, 1. you can put a bigger engine or more PSI in ANYTHING and make it faster, that's not the spirit of the P1 it's a hybrid car. 2. Freddie all of the sudden bailed on the hybrid system when he announced the car was going to SEMA and had a severely crunched timeline.
Rich, I've been sporadically watching your videos for at least the past 3 years, I've always enjoyed them, but not sure why I've never bothered subscribing. However, I ain't gon' fight it no more- you've defs picked up another fan today. Logic ftw. Subscribed!
Thank you Rick! It’s nice to see an adult explain to these kids that the hybrid wasn’t a big deal to begin with. Also it would never be a 2 million dollar car ever again.
When travarish is done. Even without he will get allot more than the 2mil. Just because it is a travarish build. 😉🙏 and completely modified. One of a kind p1. 👍
It’s only worth what someone is willing to pay and i doubt this P1 will ever be for sale!!
The hybrid drive implemented like that is quite stupid. I believe the only real reason the car was designed that way is the novelty factor. As Rich said if it was used to make it 4x4 it would be much more important for the handling.
@@pellelarsson83 Noooo he wont !!!
@@mixalis6168 yes he will. Not right now. But in a few years this car would sell for allot more as a highly modified famous car to some collector. But i think travarish will never sell it. But keep in mind. Travarish know the right people too. He would sell it quite easily 👍
This actually all makes sense. I'm glad that you came with a proper explanation about why Tavarish is ditching the hybrid system.
Not only is the system outdated and removing it will make the car significantly lighter, but also because Tavarish is adding extra power to the engine. Which would make the electric boost useless in comparison.
Well, Put it against a P1 LM in a circuit then and see who Mclaren is faster, not in the street or a drag race. Or a lap around Nurburgring to see if the car overheats and they need to stop in the middle of te lap in the "faster" car.
@@fcmancos884fun fact the P1 GTR ditched the hybrid system for more power and more lightweight. So basically tavarish is the first customer car to get a GTR Treatment.
Even funnier, the P1 GTR had an extra of 62hp from the combustion engine and 20hp from the electric motor and 110 pounds lighter. @@johncastle95
honestly i dont care ether way im going to enjoy his content. but i get both viewpoints, like what's the difference between 720 rebuild and a p1 rebuild other than the price tag? on the other side it just makes sense to ditch the 2010 electric system.
@@johncastle95 P1 GTR is a hybrid.
My consensus while watching his journey was the same as yours. When that guy said they always break I knew he had to delete it. I didn’t consider the weight etc but I’m the type that if the thing doesn’t work as it should it’s a million dollar boat anchor
I think the thing for most of us that understand your point and nonetheless are not onboard for the ride anymore is; We watched him rebuild and modify a fast and beautiful McLaren before. Now we were onboard for the hybrid and expensive hypercar. Like you said, if he wanted a heavily modified McLaren the 1/2 million would be best spent on a base car and a lot of newer expensive kits to put on it.
I also think there’s a difference between people complaining that he removed the hybrid system and people expressing disappointment. I think most are just disappointed because they were under the impression it was going to be restored. Either way I’m sure it’ll end up being awesome.
I also think most people in comment sections are cry babys in their 30's, what a shame
@@TEXXTO and then there’s the nonces who leave disrespectful replies to try to look cool.
They aren't paying for it. Get over it.
These are the same morons that quote MPG stats for performance cars.
That's on you for having that expectation.
He never alluded to that, if you had some common sense you would've known since day 1 it was barely possible. Let alone worthwhile.
At least he has the balls to do something different
They must be steel belted.
@@clonetrooper576 Nobody owes you a fucking thing kid
@@clonetrooper576He is building his P1 correctly to his specs, not to McLaren specs. He never said he was going to make it stock.
@@frank-t6857 He did say he was going to "build it right" and, granted he never said fully he would "keep it stock" but we ASSUMED the hybrid drive would stay. I suppose it is on us, we never really expected this, because when Tavarish was at the shop in the UK, we assumed he would be using that upgraded new battery. Otherwise why make that video?
@@clonetrooper576 He was for sure investigating and entertaining the idea of keeping the battery. He took us on the ride to see what he was thinking. Then we also heard the problems with the old battery technology and the price tag of 120K $ and at least a year to deliver it. His conclusion is understandable.
Rich I know you don't do this often but this type of video is informative and helpful for those of us who will never put our hands on a P1 or 720s but love cars. Thanks
Great explanation and makes perfect sense. I think if Freddy explained his decision like you did I’m guessing he wouldn’t of had a fraction of the negative comments made.
Heavy battery bad, bigger turbo more power, stronger rods, make car go fast. I 100% agree with getting rid of the hybrid drive. Shoot, delete it and get a minimal nitrous setup amd you have the same thing for a lot less weight
It's also future proof. A new battery would no longer be new in 10 years and would need replacing again. Hybrid and fully EV Super and Hypercars are a bad investment if one expects the cars to gain value over time. ICE cars can be kept alive almost forever. Electric cars deteriorate, no matter what.
Less weight = more speed
@@Based-Cat88True, and while Rich didn't have enough time to mention it, less weight also means better braking. Having to bring a car to a stop is a lot easier when it weighs 400 lbs less
yeh, Freddy has a great record with mclaren engines
@@RonniePTexan facts
I was guilty of being one of those people, but this video changed my mind and I actually agree this is the right way to go with this build now. I guess I was just blinded by thinking a P1 must be a hybrid full stop.
As usual with you Rich - a clear explanation, with facts to support it.. A sensible and wise choice.. Good on you for backing him up..
This video actually answers the question I had in regards to the battery. Thanks Rich!
You're 100% right. I similarly commented on Freddy's video that I look forward to his truly, one of a kind unique P1 and deleting the hybrid system feels like a no brainer given all the benefits you've outlined here. Awesome vid, thanks Rich!
Rich has just made an entire video defending Tavarish, not once updating us on his own rebuild. Now that's what I call a good friend.
Your point is 100% valid and nicely put together. You got me convinced.
My only concern: would the engin need a new mapping ? Has it even been done before?
I really hope squarespace pays good money because the layering of jokes put into every single squarespace spot is fantastic.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. It's a certificate of destruction title, so Freddy's probably going to slap on transporter tags and do
Listen, most of the people aren’t disappointed because we care for the power the hybrid system adds or anything, but they way he was going to deal with the hybrid system, the difficulties, the solutions and everything that comes with it made it so interesting to watch, i think going to sema was a bad decision that made him rush the build, he should just have gone with the original plan, but this is just my opinion.
Thank you for explaining the choice Tavarish / Freddie made / is making. I didn't understand it initially and I didn't post any criticism, as I didn't understand the situation. But you do a great job explaining the "why's" ... So, Thank You. And I'm seriously wishing Freddie good luck in his timeline of wanting to have it ready for Sema. I'm not sure that is gonna happen. It is a tight time crunch. I hope he does and I cannot wait for his videos to come out.
Again Thank You!
I'm glad that Freddie is doing something different with his P1. I knew when he got it that he would make it better than it was originally. Haters are gonna hate so good to bad rubbish if they unsubscribe!
I already thought that removing the hybrid system was the right move just from the cost, time, and software nightmare if he put in a different system and you brought up even more good points. Putting in a v12 Ferrari 599 motor in it with a turbo or supercharger would be sick.
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Absolutely excellent education for the know-it-alls out there. Very well thought out and concise explanation here. I always enjoy when Rich takes the know-it-alls and puts them over his knee and gives them their spanking. 👍👍
I like you stepping up for Freddie.. and great explanation!
We’re all into cars for the same reason; modifying and enjoyment of the drive! Regardless of what he does to his P1 it’s going to remain a good looking, badass car. It’s his car let him do as he wishes! Just follow along and enjoy watching the build. Very well said Rich and down to earth. I had a lot of the same thoughts while reading comments on tavarishs video.
It's like telling an artist to paint a canvas white, because it was originally white..
I watch you creators, because you're artists, I want to see your ideas and personality shine through on your builds, and I look forward to seeing how these NEW ideas perform in the end. Keep up the great work ! 🙏💪👍🤩
I'm going to watch the rest of the series no matter what, so I don't care about the hybrid system. I hate it when TH-camrs complain about the comment section though. This is supposed to be a social media platform for engagement. Also, for creators, the comment section should be invaluable. Traditional digital entertainers have to deal with panels, surveys, and studies to get feedback from customers on their content. They often don't find out that they are on the wrong track until it's too late. TH-camrs get instant feedback.
There's a comment on his video that explains a lot of subscribers' complaints too that others don't articulate. People are disappointed that they don't get to see the hybrid system part that they were looking for. The part that was built up over the episodes Rich discussed.
I also agree wholeheartedly that the comment section doesn't typically post opinions based on actual knowledge or experience. But, that's just part of it. The people watching these channels will never own a McLaren, but want to see what a normal guy could do with scrapped one.
Comments are only good when its filled with yes men answers and cheers of encouragement... Everything else (valid argument or not) just gets labeled as toxic.
Man I respect you so much. You making this video made more sense than what tavarish did. I'm going to continue watching the rebuild videos cause of this video. I didn't realize all of this. I thought it would be cool to keep it original but it's ok if the overall is better. Thanks for the explanation.
I have to admit I was one of the people who said Freddie should keep the hybrid system, but you are right, Rich. The car will be better off with a better engine and no hybrid battery. I think if it was relatively cheap and easy to upgrade and get the latest, more powerful lighter battery for it, and upgrade the engine at the same time, it would have been cool to keep it as a hybrid, but clearly that is not the case. Money wise, it will never be worth $2m again no matter what Freddie does with it, so he might as well build the car he wants and ignore anyone that disagrees with him. At the end of the day, you can't please everybody.
A quick note, you can put a button on the steering wheel for an anti-turbo lag and that will make a big difference on the car performance 👍 🏁
Every sticker ads 5 HP, or so I heard.
Or better yet, have a nitrous oxide system and just to make fun of the crybabies, have it add a 175 HP shot of nitrous! 😂😂
@@RonniePTexan Yeah, there is even nice space for the bottles. Sure, a bit cumbersome to change them but I think he could rig a filling port there somewhere, it's just gas after all. Though I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen, but a nice "what if?".
I thought the same thing basically. Freddie could keep the IPAS button and use it to add more boost from the massive upgraded turbos he is installing.
@@RonniePTexan Yeah that would really piss the purists off eh. Don't think he will need to though after the engine re-bore and massive new turbos go on. He is aiming for a 250 car which would make it one of the fastest McLaren's in the world.
As long as it still makes wooshes through the roof scoop and is faster than others who cares.
As for the ipass steering wheel button, that could could still be used as rolling anti-lag, same result and turbo technology is way better now and won't drain the battery.
The iPass button will become the nitro button 👍
The car is gonna be lighter and it’s gonna make way more power it’s not gonna be a stock motor imo it’s gonna be a wayyyyy better car than stock
The new lighter build will not only have more HP and less weight to make it faster, but it'll handle better and the braking will be better as well. Having 400lbs less weight to bring to a stop or take a corner is going to have a lot of benefits that Rich didn't even have time to mention
Or use the ipass button for NITROUS and make it a real IPASS button!!
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
You are 100% correct. That car would never ever be a collectors car worth 2 million bucks even if it went back to McLaren and they rebuilt it bolt for bolt because it served an apprenticeship as a submarine. I watched the episode about the battery removal, what a nightmare. I watched the episode about those 'wonderful' McClaren con-rods and the crankshaft bearing shells. Not exactly confidence inspiring. The rebuilt modded engine combined with the purpose built turbos and the considerable weight reduction should prove interesting when the car finally runs. He's taking an expensive piece of junk and transforming it into something unique with the help of a ton of money, a good team and many experts from different fields. I admire his courage to undertake a very risky project that provides us with a lot of entertainment. I also thank you for calling out those who are dissing him for his decision. 'Evo' is an abbreviated form of evolution , without which mankind wouldn't even exist.
Great explanation on the realities. I assumed getting a controller and software to integrate it so it works properly would be an even bigger channel ge than just making the battery.
I agree. It's not going to be able to be made stock any more. Getting replacement parts is neigh impossible.
So, Freddie is going down the right path. It's going to be unique. It was a P1, it may still carry the badge, but it's not what it was... it's better actually. Good call on his part. Glad he went with Rich's recommendation.
He actually named it the P1 Evo.
Well explained, I have always agreed with Travarish and the battery delete, but you articulated it perfectly. Leave the cool electric cars to you, lol.
This! All of this! Is what Freddie should of said. I wasn't a fan of the hybrid system getting dumped but I am now. Thank you for this! Thanks Prof Rich.
What absolutely baffles me is the sense of entitlement that a lot of these people have, along with the addition of a total lack of common sense and understanding of the complexities behind these decisions. People are not only “disappointed” and “upset” that a car they have absolutely 0 personal investment or involvement in is not being done the way they want, they have the audacity to sulk and complain about it.. it just makes no sense to me. The mental gymnastics involved to convince yourself that the removal of the hybrid drive no longer makes it a genuine P1, despite the face the entire shell is being replaced, along with 100’s of other components is another thing that totally perplexes me. If you are really that upset over a decision that was made where literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, and potentially a year + of R&D is at stake, then you really have bigger issues to worry about.
P1's hybrid system added 1 kg per hp. Which is NOT a great trade-off, let alone when all going to the rear axle like the ICE.
👏 Thank you Rich for being the voice of reason. I thought the exact same thing. Weight reduction, time constraints etc etc etc. Build the motor make it faster make the car lighter and build it so its done someday. Not only that but its his car, his vision for the car he can and will do what he wants
I didn't see the comments but this is spot on. At least he kept a car from being scrap and doing tasteful things, at least visually anyway.. and what better might finger to the tree huggers than to rip out the useless batteries for a more reliable and more powerful setup.
exactly this. i had a friend who decades ago worked as a testing engineer at a major cellphone company. new phones actually cost less to manufacture than old phones, which sold for less, but they kept making and selling older models simply because there was a market. i always thought that the P-1 was a kind of early attempt like others (ferrari laferrari) to meet the 1:1 hypercar spec.
He needs to just get rid of the ipas button and put in an inos button. 😂 250 shot of NOS then he still basically the extra HP at the push of a button.
And lighter, more like the f1 lmao
Thanks for the explanation Rich it puts a lot of things in perspective. I wasn't necessarily trying to burn Freddy at the stake like some others my thing was that I thought he was gonna be like the first guy to have an updated lightweight system I actually did think he would've gone the 4 wheel drive hybrid kinda like the 918 but on steroids. Hey if the guy who literally has an EV repair shop says scrap the battery scrap the battery.
thanks for explaning alot of this so more people will understand, also, its his car so he can do what he wants with it. On another note that pressure resivoir looks like the 80 dollar unit for the mercedes sbc system
It was so nice to hear Leenda’s voice in the last video. Good to know she’s doing well
Rich thank you so much for posting this video You literally mirror my exact thoughts and sentiment While watching the p one build process
I wanted Tavarish to keep the hybrid drive system as it would make the videos more interesting. the challenge of improving the system (more electric power or lighter) would have been fun to see, along with a built/tuned engine. otherwise it seems to similar to the 675, just another tuned Mclaren, body kit, bigger turbo.
Having it hybrid is unique among Mclarens and what set the P1 apart. yes a P1 is old tech now, but modernising that tech would be awesome.
as soon as i heard him say he was dropping the hybrid system i was disappointed, before i had even read the comments. i understand why he chose do it though, makes the project a lot more simple and cheaper.
Old hybrid systems are stupid, get over it. Less weight, less complexity get it?
@@DigitalDissidentdon't buy a p1 get a 720s.
Agreed. I was hoping he'd collaborate with Rich on building a NEW battery pack, because the old cells are using tech that's going on 15 years old. He'd probably save money and have MORE energy density by using modern cells. I'm still gonna watch the series, but just with a little less enthusiasm.
@@McNasty43 $600k in the first place was the biggest waste of 💰
@@kdl1066 u mad cus u cant buy one ? cry about it
I was half hoping to see you and Freddie colab to build a new battery and improve the hybrid drive system with all of today's new battery tech involved. Either way it's astonishing that the car will one day be back on the road.
Nailed it, if anything it'd be fun to use the IPAS button as a temporary overboost function. Add like 80HP for 15 seconds or something so it still "works" similar to before
You are a good friend to Tavarish, and a decent guy! Thanks for coming to his defense!
Tavarish is a genius. He’s got everyone watching and talking about his build.🤑🤑🤑🤑
Yes he is a smart guy who make decisions not always alone but by listening to experts in all fields concerning the car builds. Listening to the critics in the comment section will not help.
Well he does rely heavily on TH-cam to dig himself out of this financial mess.
@@stuartmckinnon9190 He runs a business and this was risk he was willing to take on. TH-cam is a platform many businesses are using to promote their products or ideas and it works. It's PR.
@@stuartmckinnon9190His "financial mess"? Are you his financial advisor? How much money does he have saved, invested and available?
@@stuartmckinnon9190 glad to know you're Tavarish's financial advisor
I immediately knew Freddy made the right choice when he said it. I assumed he'd have some issues with the ECU and thought reverse needed the electric motor, but apparently not. He's effectively future-proofed the P1 and rid it of its archilles heel.
Dude, I have to hand it to you - you really know your stuff. It's wild how so many people who chime in with comments haven't even done anything beyond swapping out an air filter, yet they act like they're experts. Anyway, just wanted to give you props for all your hard work and knowledge. Keep it up, my friend!
There's nothing worse than people.
The internet would be so cool if it wasn't for "people" XD
Seeing how he was going to tackle the hybrid system rebuild was one of the things I was most looking forward to, so the decision was a bit disappointing to me (not that my opinion matters! :)) Having said that, I think he made the right decision - I bet that getting the hybrid system controllers running again would have been a nightmare.
Honestly, same here. I hate to say that I lost interest immediately, but damn did I ever. I plan on watching the rest, but the anticipation I previously had is all but gone. I'm more interested in whatever he has coming next at this point. Because this one went from a P1 to a Mclaren tub with a 3rd party body kit and a new engine. He should dub it the T-1
At this point is like a DDE video "building" a car but not hiring other people to do it and starting from a crashed car.@@caodesignworks2407
This is it for me. I completely get why Freddy is ditching the hybrid system, but he's in the business of entertainment and this just doesn't make the content particularly interesting. We've seen these McLarens with built engines already, including from Freddy himself.
This now just becomes more of the same. I get that it'll be fast but in the end it's just another twin turbo V8 build with off the shelf parts connected to the same transaxle as in all the other McLaren.
Again, I get 100% why he's doing it, but it makes for boring content. I still like Freddy and his channel, but I'm just not tuning in for this build and I find it weird that I'm being attacked for that by Rich. There's tons of shows I like with seasons I don't like and skip. This is the same.
Yeah I’m disappointed but not surprised, I always knew he wouldn’t be able to finish the project but Damm was it fun to watch him prove me wrong for 10 episodes.
@@SkodaYetiFan He's going to finish the project, just sans the hybrid drive. Which, personally I find disappointing, but for what he wants, makes sense.
Trash can the motor and trans and install a Corvette motor and trans, less issues and parts are cheaper and domestic with close to the same HP. In my opinion, hybrid systems over complicate a vehicle for the same gas mileage, and Lbs added. I agree with Rich over that hole heartedly.
More Engine displacement Bigger Turbos & more cooling will fit perfectly where the battery & electric motor was. P1-EVO is already a Legend & the Stig is the driver. Can’t make this up!!
I'm with Freddy, his car and money so he can do what he wants. I'm happy it will be 100% internal combustion.
I have been watching you for at least 3.5 years, and I have loved every video you've made and have never disagreed with any of your opinions, and I'm not starting now! I agree with everything you've said in this video and believe Tavarish needs to do what he wants with his own damn car, and it will be better than stock, like everything he does!
People forget that 2013 was a long time ago in hybrid/BEV cars.
The hybrid drive was never really about performance, it was a time most people’s only thought about hybrid cars was memes about the Toyota Prius.
It was a showpiece of what was possible at the time, that hybrid cars could be interesting and that electric power could make ICE better and made the idea of hybrid cars cool.
I’m just glad that a cool car that would have been lost altogether is being given a second life as something new, different and cool!
Was literally only a hybrid because they were being hounded about emmisions. Aston Martin put out the cygnet and mclaren made the p1 hybrid
Legend! Great explanation. $150k for a battery at the end of the day no one would do based on a cost benefit analysis of things.
Saying it out loud! Good for you! Love both you and Freddie! That P1 will be a rocket when he's done.
Speaking of Carlin, my favorite Carlin quote is "Think about how dumb the average person is, now realize that half of them are stupider than that".
You make a convincing argument. Aside from Prius taxis and busses, I’ve never seen the point in hybrid systems. Isn’t removing the hybrid system the Lotus way? Simplify and add lightness. Props to Freddy for building the project he wants. But how about hooking nitrous up to IPAS button?