When I’ve read the title of this video, my only thought was: “Finally a respectful youtuber tells everyone that making 50 videos about one vehicle restoration is lame.” I was truly expecting that statement to appear at least at some point of this video. Unfortunately, car youtubers haven’t become honest enough with their audiences yet and haven’t yet decided to tell the truth. And the truth is - making 50 videos about one single McLaren restoration is lame. I got bored on the sixth P1 episode, and I was expecting the Tavarish to accomplish the whole project in about 10-15 videos total, like he did with his blue McLaren. It was interesting to watch. I’ve watched every single episode. I don’t watch the P1 series because there’s too much water in every new video, and I don’t have that extra time for that, even considering that I could have gained some knowledge watching the P1 series. I don’t lose much, skipping Tavarish videos, just like he doesn’t lose much without me watching the P1 series. But I wish he did put as much effort into his series like he did 5 years ago.
Mate my trademark is disagreeing with everybody, so if I see a trend in a comment sections, it is usually wrong, because like you pointed out, masses are dumb on youtube, dumber. As for Tavarsih's P1, can hardly change the oil in my car, I would not even begin to try to tell him what to do with his car. And I agree it's disease that does more than just upset youtubers, it screws up society, otherwise all the sheeple would not be all be saying "it's a conspiracy" as soon as you point out there is a conspiracy going on.
Rich, despite his antics, is a wise and sensible person. This is a perfect arguement and Freddie is lucky to have a friend to keep him on a successful track on an expensive and risky project. Nice job, guys.
but he is not being honest in his summary. He is saying that the engine will be upgraded but then making all the references to the old hybrid system, that logic is flawed, I know myself I assumed that would also be upgraded otherwise why spend 3 episodes on it.
@@xhorxhi77 it's a project, not a scripted reality show, lmao. Asking why he spent 3 episodes on something he abandoned is like expecting the man to read the future. If anything, the fact he spent 3 episodes on it meant that he tried his best and then decided going in another direction made more sense
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
Remember, Rich is making points for a decision he likely influenced Tavarish into making. Ask yourself this, if the P1 came from the factory without a hybrid system would it of been part of the holy trinity? Would a destroyed example sell for $600k when a brand new 765lt is $400k? Rich is clearly biased here. It is what it is, we'll all see how it plays out.
@@clips1404 except it almost is, this is highly scripted in the sense that prior to the purchase a whole roadmap on the build was laid out in order to secure a budget from sponsors. Ditching this at the 11th hour is due to contractual obligations to said sponsors that want to see the car at SEMA. If he was going to invest so much of the project on the Hybrid aspect of it, then some sort of working solution should have been budgeted to the build. Otherwise, should have just said from day 1 that the hybrid was a no go. As watchers, and by extension, customers of his content (yes he profits off our views don't forget that) we have grounds on which to be aggrieved by this choice.
Freddie's P1 is his P1. I don't care what he does with it as long as he does something to it- cause that's what he said. It's not like he's asking money from his viewers. We watch for free and we can watch or not watch. Seriously, I don't get where the "hate" comes from.
That’s the thing tho. If we don’t watch. He wouldn’t even be able to do this in the first place. He’s abandoning his audience. When he actually needs them more than ever.
Rich, you're one of the few reasons why TH-cam is a place that I come back to. The ignorance on youtube/other social media is unbelievable yet we have some amazing channels just like yours that enlightens the people and promotes common sense. I genuinely can't thank you enough for your work and wishing you the best luck with your Mclaren rebuild.
There was no point in buying the car to just take out the hole reason you bought the car. Could have done what hes doing to a 720 and saved the half mill he spent. Car is a pile of shit and he cheaped out trying to fix it. Its a dud but he cant say that cuz hes on the hook for so much.
@@scottb9868 he said he wanted to create the ultimate spiritual successor of the F1, and that only can be the P1. A 720, 765,... could never achieve this. And I think this kind of thinking, seeing it as the successor of the old legend, works even better without the Hybrid System, which is outdated anyway.
@@scottb9868 what color is your Mclaren? You should not speak like that about someone who literally owns a P1, and rebuilding the Hybrid system has no advantage. That is a fact. And why would anyone take a Senna if the P1 is way more beautiful and the official successor of the F1?
Bro for the fact that you made this video shows how genuine of a friend you are to Tavarish. I hope you both finish these projects ON YOUR TIME and not pressured from us idiots xD stay amazing Rich!
Kudos for making this video and supporting Freddie. Surprised that so many people kicked off about the hybrid decision, when it made total sense to remove it.
That's the point though - it made sense to do it. But I don't want to watch somebody doing things that make sense. It's a $600,000 flood-destroyed hypercar. That doesn't make sense. Why cut out a really interesting problem like the hybrid system? If I wanted "sense" I'd have watched somebody buy a nearly new Toyota Corolla.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Does it make sense to spend 120k and wait a year for a system that might not work at all? While also hindering his own goal for the car?
@@YoungShul It wouldn't cost that much at all. He's not going to get the original McLaren battery. You could get a custom better one for less than a tenth of that price now.
@@drunkenhobo8020 that custom one you are mentioning was in the video. They said themselves it would take a year and cost 120k. And custom poses an even bigger risk of it just not working
Really nice to see you having Freddy’s back, to the extent of breaking down why it makes sense. He knows what he’s doing. I love watching & very much appreciate you all.
@TimothyReason Nothing proven or hard facts. Two and two like this makes potato. If you haven't got the evidence and all the facts then you should keep it shut.
I was originally one of those disappointed. While it would be "cool" to have the battery, the performance gains are obvious and vital to Tavarish's completion of the P1. Thanks so much for the video, it absolutely helped me see exactly why he decided to ditch it!
If the electric motors drive the front wheels I'd have said restore the hybrid. In the P1 the electric motor drives the rear wheels and is used to fill in turbo lag. Modern turbos have heaps less lag so the issue is far less important. If the minimal lag still bothers then go the koenisegg route and have a compressed air system to instantly spool the turbos. So I reckon Freddy made the right decision, especially given the weight loss.
@@daniellarge9784 Yes. Whatever he lost on response, he gains back on handling. Weight is the enemy of handling, and the more weight the car loses the better it will handle. A 3000 lbs car pulling 1G lateral acceleration is making it's tires grip for 3000 lbs on the pavement. Less weight requires less from the tires. But i'm not really sure if Tavarish will use any of that newfound grip anyway 🤷
You’ve definitely changed my previous opinion on the hybrid drive system. Great video. One of the reasons I’ll continue to watch this channel. Keep putting out the great content. Thanks for sticking up for Tavarish.
He talks about tav so that tav will talk about him. In the end they just promote each other so they can both make more money. Sure there's a part of it that is "support". But overall, it's just business. And you're "paying" for it. When you see small channels able to make a complete crashed car rebuild fit in a 20 min video and then rich people making 20x20min videos to do a 2 hour mod... You just start wondering who's actually putting in work, and who's just milking the system. Without even talking about the clickbait, fake and staged crap vids etc... I find it quite sad, makes people become naive, not really smarter.
Couldn'it say it better, Rich you said it very good and even convinced me. At first I was a pro-hybrid but after watching this I changed my mind. Thanks for being clear and helping Tavarish with this which he didnt deserve all this hate.
And this is why I watch Rich...he spells out the what and why behind the decisions made with the creations he builds. Tavarish does get a little more emotionally involved with his cars, and that might lead to how he phrases his decisions. Having said that, I support his decision to remove the hybrid system and build a more potent engine in its place. Thank you Rich, and Good Luck to Freddie!
Don't hold back, Rich, tell us how you really feel! But you are totally right, ditching the hybrid system on the P1 is totally the right call. With the engine build he's doing, he'll be adding way more than 175 HP with a huge weight reduction, which will help braking and handling too.
i don't really know anything about cars, i just found this channel by mistake and thought it was really interesting, but for Tuvarish, if he "beefs" up the engine and then decided to restore the hybrid drive thing, with the engine putting out more power than what was designed couldn't that also have caused more problems in the future? like the electric motor is only putting out so much power and is only suspected to hold onto so much power when shifting, so if he did something like gave his car like 500 more horsepower then couldn't just the power alone actually make the hybrid system break or be alot worse and actually be worse for the car instead of a boost of power?
@@Arcella1981i dont think the motor would care too much since it's just adding power, as long as rpm is similiar. When shifting, power is cut to the engine anyways for a split second. Maybe if the engine revs through the rpm range really fast the motor would be less effective, not sure
@@Arcella1981 The entire hybrid system cables connectors batteries modules etc.. was really the worst affected in Tavarish flooded P1 car.. and because is way to expensive to be properly fully restored and let's say that even if he will do it it, will it be out-dated so is not worth to add it back into the car even if would have new lighter batteries the car would still be heavy that is why all the money Freddy (Tavarish) will spend will go split in 2 major directions for the P1 build :1) to a new wider-carbon body-kit (because original OE body panels that need to be replaced since were damaged in flood are also crazy expensive and factory delays to supply it would take way too longer to finish the project and 2) rest of the money for increasing the original motor performance, dyno tuning and other performance oriented parts & setups..
I’m glad you addressed this, especially as someone who commented in favor of the hybrid system. As complex as I’m sure it is, my hope was Tavarish would modernize this hybrid system. Yes, I understand that’s most likely a huge undertaking, and it’s easy to have such desires from behind the keyboard. It did feel a little like he glossed over the topic quickly and could have helped ease the tension by addressing further. All said, I don’t own a McLaren or anything close to it, so take any of this with many grains of salt. Regardless, good on ya for standing up for your friend!
I also think there’s a difference between people complaining that he removed the hybrid system and people expressing disappointment. I think most are just disappointed because they were under the impression it was going to be restored. Either way I’m sure it’ll end up being awesome.
That's on you for having that expectation. He never alluded to that, if you had some common sense you would've known since day 1 it was barely possible. Let alone worthwhile.
He could have absolutely kept the hybrid system. A lot of people are not aware but the 156,000 dollar battery that McLaren is selling is different from the original p1 battery pack. In 2020 when the McLaren speedtail came out , it featured a new and improved battery pack that weighs only 110 pounds, the original p1 battery weighs 234 pounds. McLaren offered p1 owners the chance to upgrade their batteries to the one from the speedtail with new tuning for better acceleration. Only downside is the new electric only range is less than half of the original electric range from the p1. But owners benefit from over 100 pounds weight saving and better acceleration. So if he did decide to buy a new battery pack from McLaren, he would not be getting the battery pack that you guys pulled out. He would be getting the battery pack in the McLaren speedtail. And McLaren offered p1 owners a 6 year warranty along with it.
If that happens that nice...but do u really think Maclaren will provide him the battery pack fr his salvaged P1.... Even u know how much Maclaren helped in this project..
I was under the impression that he was going to add a new (modern) hybrid system as well as modifying the motor. With the exception of programming the motor or ECU to communicate with the new pieces; i really hoped he could find some company with a battery system to really make something unique. Either way I still want to see this build complete in what ever form it takes.
also he is trying to get it ready for SEMA which starts in about 2 weeks? lol I think the complexity about installing any hybrid system is going to take a long time, so maybe i the mid future he will, but for SEMA, I dont think so, maybe some of his sponsors wants the car to be there
It's not worth installing it though. Nothing about it makes the car better. The cost alone will add another 300k to it for no benefit. The car is 10x better without it.
@@duanebailey6253 just hopes and dreams on my part. I would like to believe there are some companies who would love to have someone test their product, but i just have no idea how far stand alone systems have come thus far.
Not his money. It’s a loan. Which needs to be repaid. Repaid either by TH-cam revenue, or selling the car. Pissing his viewers off is not a smart move financially. Also the car loses a ton of value without the hybrid. A restored P1 might worth a million bucks, but not like this…
This is a good point. Freddy should lean heavily on this, that the project is not a restoration project. There are other P1s that can be restoration / preservation museum pieces.
@@juzolii was excited for the full restoration but that is such a dumb take, he wont make any profit selling this only counting the money hed put in it now. and hed need to put down hundreds more to get it fully dinished. and hed get better veiws actually being able to upload a build, making it not hybrid makes the build progress actually possible in a year, with a refurbished battery or custom one itd take years to fully finish the p1. fact is your in the minority, most people dont hear p1 rebuild and freak out bc theyre gonna see a hybrid system rebuilt. they want to see progress
You make a lot of good points. I only have 1 question remaining: if you remove all of parts that differentiated the p1 from the other McLarens then what was the point of paying the massive premium for a P1 in the first place?
He paid 575k for a totalled P1. This is more than the 720s brand freaking new. If this isn’t a premium I don’t know what is. If Tarvarish started the video with Rich explaining the whole thing then there won’t be any uproar.
@@krisl3228 tbf, I think a 720 build wouldn't do nearly as well in terms of youtube views and revenue considering he just did a 675LT build which was insane in of itself.
@@krisl3228 A P1 with battery, e-clutch, electrical harness and e-motor removed and an engine with higher horsepower could be a fantastic opportunity. Imagine the debates if the hybrid system is removed and it performs much better in terms of manoeuvrability and acceleration? You normally don't get to have those kinds of debates with S-tier cars. (I say this as someone who believes in electrification of vehicles but a general interest in vehicle engineering)
So Freddie, in your words, now has a McLaren 12c? 🤔 Let’s face it, he could have just purchased a 12c or 650s and put a more powerful built engine in it. By your reasoning it wouldn’t be any different. It’s great that your sticking up for him and I fully understand your reasoning. Build it better is Freddie’s saying, so by this statement I would have understood if he had built the hybrid system better, if he doesn’t have the skills then he shouldn’t have purchased the car. It’s like buying that water flooded Bugatti and sticking another engine in it? You would totally devalue the car and take away one of its key features, good or bad. The same applies to the hybrid system. It’s part of the car. The same as the doors and the way they open, something you could change, but would you?? Probably not
Listen, most of the people aren’t disappointed because we care for the power the hybrid system adds or anything, but they way he was going to deal with the hybrid system, the difficulties, the solutions and everything that comes with it made it so interesting to watch, i think going to sema was a bad decision that made him rush the build, he should just have gone with the original plan, but this is just my opinion.
Im still stunned at the "now is just like every other Mclaren". NO! it will be the only P1 without a battery in the world! Saved a ton a money, made it lighter, unique for a P1 and cut on build time. No brainer. If he intended to please the purist or care about resale, he wouldn't had bought one in such horrible condition. This was a TH-cam project. It achieved its goal. Got tons of views
Thank you Rick! It’s nice to see an adult explain to these kids that the hybrid wasn’t a big deal to begin with. Also it would never be a 2 million dollar car ever again.
When travarish is done. Even without he will get allot more than the 2mil. Just because it is a travarish build. 😉🙏 and completely modified. One of a kind p1. 👍
The hybrid drive implemented like that is quite stupid. I believe the only real reason the car was designed that way is the novelty factor. As Rich said if it was used to make it 4x4 it would be much more important for the handling.
@@mixalis6168 yes he will. Not right now. But in a few years this car would sell for allot more as a highly modified famous car to some collector. But i think travarish will never sell it. But keep in mind. Travarish know the right people too. He would sell it quite easily 👍
Heavy battery bad, bigger turbo more power, stronger rods, make car go fast. I 100% agree with getting rid of the hybrid drive. Shoot, delete it and get a minimal nitrous setup amd you have the same thing for a lot less weight
It's also future proof. A new battery would no longer be new in 10 years and would need replacing again. Hybrid and fully EV Super and Hypercars are a bad investment if one expects the cars to gain value over time. ICE cars can be kept alive almost forever. Electric cars deteriorate, no matter what.
@@Based-Cat88True, and while Rich didn't have enough time to mention it, less weight also means better braking. Having to bring a car to a stop is a lot easier when it weighs 400 lbs less
I have to admit I was one of the people who said Freddie should keep the hybrid system, but you are right, Rich. The car will be better off with a better engine and no hybrid battery. I think if it was relatively cheap and easy to upgrade and get the latest, more powerful lighter battery for it, and upgrade the engine at the same time, it would have been cool to keep it as a hybrid, but clearly that is not the case. Money wise, it will never be worth $2m again no matter what Freddie does with it, so he might as well build the car he wants and ignore anyone that disagrees with him. At the end of the day, you can't please everybody.
@@Frank-Thoresen He did say he was going to "build it right" and, granted he never said fully he would "keep it stock" but we ASSUMED the hybrid drive would stay. I suppose it is on us, we never really expected this, because when Tavarish was at the shop in the UK, we assumed he would be using that upgraded new battery. Otherwise why make that video?
@@clonetrooper576 He was for sure investigating and entertaining the idea of keeping the battery. He took us on the ride to see what he was thinking. Then we also heard the problems with the old battery technology and the price tag of 120K $ and at least a year to deliver it. His conclusion is understandable.
I understand what you are saying about the P1 but, two things, 1. you can put a bigger engine or more PSI in ANYTHING and make it faster, that's not the spirit of the P1 it's a hybrid car. 2. Freddie all of the sudden bailed on the hybrid system when he announced the car was going to SEMA and had a severely crunched timeline.
It’s a garbage 10 year old obsolete and poorly designed EV system; I think you’re too obsessed with a P1 being a hybrid than the P1 being a hyper car built for every drop of performance you can squeeze out of it
This actually all makes sense. I'm glad that you came with a proper explanation about why Tavarish is ditching the hybrid system. Not only is the system outdated and removing it will make the car significantly lighter, but also because Tavarish is adding extra power to the engine. Which would make the electric boost useless in comparison.
Well, Put it against a P1 LM in a circuit then and see who Mclaren is faster, not in the street or a drag race. Or a lap around Nurburgring to see if the car overheats and they need to stop in the middle of te lap in the "faster" car.
@@fcmancos884fun fact the P1 GTR ditched the hybrid system for more power and more lightweight. So basically tavarish is the first customer car to get a GTR Treatment.
honestly i dont care ether way im going to enjoy his content. but i get both viewpoints, like what's the difference between 720 rebuild and a p1 rebuild other than the price tag? on the other side it just makes sense to ditch the 2010 electric system.
Rich, I was one of the first guys to comment on the tavarish build saying he should have saved $500k and just modded his 675. In truth I wanted to see him update and improve the hybrid system with todays tech not realising there are specific advantages to using the P1 chassis without adding in planned obsolescence. It’s great you could clear things up and thanks for taking the time to explain.
This is what’s going to happen. He will hit a technical snag. He’ll be overwhelmed and he will announce a new project. I used to love Tavarish when he took on projects he could handle in his garage in NJ. When he moved to Florida and got the Gallardo, I watched the entire series hoping to see everything fixed… when he couldn’t fix the roof, he basically gave up and started piling on different projects he never finishes… I gave up on his channel because it just wasn’t fun to see nothing completed
it’s a free 176hp and more importantly crazy amount of torque on top of whatever the peak engine hp is from his upgraded built engine. 176 additional hp, even more torque with no loss in engine efficiency, or added heat etc to the engine. On demand instant hp/tq at the cost of a measly 110lbs that actually helps to lower the cars center of gravity and 50/50 balance. The old battery was much heavier, the new McLaren battery is more than half the weight of the original, so they are heavily exaggerating the added weight as the technology has been recently upgraded and lightened significantly over the years
This is what makes a good friend, thank you for breaking it down for the masses. This makes sense me and I think it's dumb for people to unsub him for his choices for his car.
@@ralfulrich6254tavarish got advice from McLaren, battery rebuilding experts and his friend who has ran a groundbreaking electric car repair company for years. But it's the random YT commenters that are experts. I bet you're loved at work(if you got one).
People are mistaking disappointment for hate. The sole reason I was watching was to see what he did w/ the hybrid system. There is now zero reason to watch the build. I will just check in at the end to see the final product.
I don't watch Tavarish but I'm generally curious... why would you buy a P1 if you where just going to ditch the hybrid system? I get it ,you can make more power with new turbos but it will never be the same... I personally believe that the hybrid system is what made these cars. Could he have bought another McLaren shell for way cheaper if he planned to go this route? Not trying not to hate just don't 100% understand I guess
He spent over $500k on a flooded P1 and essentially will only be using the chassis. He could have bought a brand new 765lt for less than $400k (even with a mark-up) and spend the balance on mods and would arguably have a more 'unique' car.
Brilliant explanation Rich and you’re clearly a great friend for sticking up for your buddy. I thought I was the only one that left a positive comment on Freddie’s video and couldn’t believe the negativity. Yes his decision was controversial but often the best and most successful ones are. I applaud him for doing this and applaud you for standing up for him. 👏👏🙏🙏 Ps. + 1 subscriber 👍
@@RonniePTexan Yeah, there is even nice space for the bottles. Sure, a bit cumbersome to change them but I think he could rig a filling port there somewhere, it's just gas after all. Though I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen, but a nice "what if?".
@@RonniePTexan Yeah that would really piss the purists off eh. Don't think he will need to though after the engine re-bore and massive new turbos go on. He is aiming for a 250 car which would make it one of the fastest McLaren's in the world.
Lots of respect for stepping in to vouch for Freddie with what looks like all of your heart, man. Unfortunately, though, you seem to have completely misunderstood the reaction of the vast majority of @tavarish's viewers. Most likely, they may not even care about performance numbers or SEMA presentations. They watch his channel because "he is the warranty" and "wrenches every day," making something most of his viewers dream about doing, but for one reason or another, can't just yet. Freddie is making dreams of many viewers come true and that's why his channel is so popular. With this P1, viewers were hoping to see another MIRACLE happen and not by cheating with bigger turbos or battery. They wanted to see him actually wrench every day as if he were the only warranty for such a project. They wanted this MURACLE to actually come true regardless of time or money spent because that's what Freddie himself has promised, even if indirectly through all of his past successful projects. When you talk about all the performance numbers, you are missing one simple thing; anyone can go and buy a used Ludicrous Tesla for around 50k and destroy ANY supercar/hypercar in a real world race off the stop light. It doesn't matter how much horsepower Freddie will be able to shove into this Frankenstein of a car if anyone with average credit can get that Tesla and beat it any day of the week. That's why viewers wanted to see him do something no one else could, a MIRACLE. They didn't want him to fail with this project even if only because all other youtubers predicted a failure.
Spot on. Rich reducing the majority of the voices echoing this as a bad move to some sort of childish pack mentality is borderline an insult to those who have laid out the above points mentioned. Sometimes when a large group of people says something is a bad idea, its cuz it is. Tavarish has made a series that dedicated a large portion of it to the hybrid aspect only to ditch it at the 11th hour because of SEMA time constraints and what amounts to lack of foresight on securing a worst case scenario battery replacement solution into the budget of the build... The project is somewhat of a clickbait now... heck the episode where he states the battery is being ditched is pretty much just a filler episode with not real progress and a questionable car diagnosing app partner ad "integrated" into the discussion.
I wanted Tavarish to keep the hybrid drive system as it would make the videos more interesting. the challenge of improving the system (more electric power or lighter) would have been fun to see, along with a built/tuned engine. otherwise it seems to similar to the 675, just another tuned Mclaren, body kit, bigger turbo. Having it hybrid is unique among Mclarens and what set the P1 apart. yes a P1 is old tech now, but modernising that tech would be awesome. as soon as i heard him say he was dropping the hybrid system i was disappointed, before i had even read the comments. i understand why he chose do it though, makes the project a lot more simple and cheaper.
Agreed. I was hoping he'd collaborate with Rich on building a NEW battery pack, because the old cells are using tech that's going on 15 years old. He'd probably save money and have MORE energy density by using modern cells. I'm still gonna watch the series, but just with a little less enthusiasm.
here is my take. i don't care about what he does with his car. my comment to all of this is: sport-hybrid system in p1 is deeply integrated to compensate for the small engine and turbo lag. yes system that heavy was a bad idea by manufacturer, but removing it will be at least problematic. this system is integrated in mappings of engine, gearbox, handling. everything. and what are the options on compensating power at low rpm? none. engine is already overboosted and you can't fit a bigger one. the real reason you are ditching the hybrid you cant repair it for cheap. but removing hybrid will be another fiasco. the whole "flooded p1 for insane money" project was a bad idea. usually bad projects like yours are cheap and payed for by the TH-cam revenue. but this p1 is one big [facepalm]. too expensive, too complex. on this road he will need new gearbox, ECU, new dash. and still will have turbo lag. how i see this p1's future: it will be a Frankenstein Monster with some lipstick on it. he will show it with words like see how loud and colorful it is. i really doubt it will ever be as good on a real track as original p1. and nobody in his right mind will ever buy it. only goal of going through with fake optimism you two show in the video is to find a fool who will pay you remotely close to what you spent.
Yup.. "ditching" the hybrid system does not resolve the issues, its not like you can just NOT use it and everything else will work... This adds on potentially a whole slew of compromises. Its likely now the engine will have an ECU thats NOT from a P1 so it does look for a hybrid system, but then that snowballs to other modules that may or may not integrate to that NonP1 spec ECU... Next thing you know "I'm ditching the P1s complex suspension for KW V3s" ...
Any true car guys should appreciate Rich's technical defense for the build; however, stop with the "watch for free..so no complaints". Many have YT premium, which is for pay. More importantly, the site is monetized so Tavarish and you get money from the views. So ill informed or not you'll still get money from their views.
I didn't see the comments but this is spot on. At least he kept a car from being scrap and doing tasteful things, at least visually anyway.. and what better might finger to the tree huggers than to rip out the useless batteries for a more reliable and more powerful setup.
You're 100% right. I similarly commented on Freddy's video that I look forward to his truly, one of a kind unique P1 and deleting the hybrid system feels like a no brainer given all the benefits you've outlined here. Awesome vid, thanks Rich!
Ditching the hybrid system does align with Freddie's goals of making a P1 faster. I think the Internet wanted to see him build it better, as in, improve what the P1 started as, not just ripping stuff out, and adding power. It almost feels like the "easier" way out. We watch Freddie do seemingly impossible things, and to give up on the hybrid system, I can see why people are disappointed. Everyone loves to see him defy odds, which he's already doing. So they should appreciate that and let the build live as he wants it.
So many people here are clueless as to how complex, time consuming and costly trying to improve a hybrid system is. tavarish is improving the P1 with more power, a new better looking body and no doubt many other custom pieces. We want to see a result this side of the decade and as much as i love project binky imagine not seeing the car "done" for a good 6 years. by which time the technology will once again be out of date. Why do you think people just reuse teslas systems? its because its had a huge team of people and money for R&D to get it to work the way it does.
It's no longer a P1. Its a P1 chassis with an aftermarket body shell with a McLaren engine, modified with after market parts, with a customer interior. The only oem thing will be the chassis. And that burned in the battery fire so God knows what it's structural integrity is like. This project is a very expensive dumpster fire.
I’m wondering in light of ditching the hybrid drive, was buying the P1 for $600k a good value?? He made a huge point of saying this is a $2 million car, which it will never be. So why not build a cheaper version McLaren and make it look like whatever you want?
What absolutely baffles me is the sense of entitlement that a lot of these people have, along with the addition of a total lack of common sense and understanding of the complexities behind these decisions. People are not only “disappointed” and “upset” that a car they have absolutely 0 personal investment or involvement in is not being done the way they want, they have the audacity to sulk and complain about it.. it just makes no sense to me. The mental gymnastics involved to convince yourself that the removal of the hybrid drive no longer makes it a genuine P1, despite the face the entire shell is being replaced, along with 100’s of other components is another thing that totally perplexes me. If you are really that upset over a decision that was made where literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, and potentially a year + of R&D is at stake, then you really have bigger issues to worry about.
I was guilty of being one of those people, but this video changed my mind and I actually agree this is the right way to go with this build now. I guess I was just blinded by thinking a P1 must be a hybrid full stop.
I think everyone should have access to comments, but not everyone is right. The decision to ditch the hybrid is awesome and old-school. The story will generate value regardless
Thanks for the explanation Rich it puts a lot of things in perspective. I wasn't necessarily trying to burn Freddy at the stake like some others my thing was that I thought he was gonna be like the first guy to have an updated lightweight system I actually did think he would've gone the 4 wheel drive hybrid kinda like the 918 but on steroids. Hey if the guy who literally has an EV repair shop says scrap the battery scrap the battery.
One of the few youtubers who I have any respect for. There is no cringe in his videos and he doesn't act like every other youtuber who fakes emotions for views. I live in north eastern CT and it's pretty cool that this dude lives a state away from me. Hey rich, do you want me to convert my 1999 Ford ranger to an EV? That would be badass.
I have been watching you for at least 3.5 years, and I have loved every video you've made and have never disagreed with any of your opinions, and I'm not starting now! I agree with everything you've said in this video and believe Tavarish needs to do what he wants with his own damn car, and it will be better than stock, like everything he does!
👏 Thank you Rich for being the voice of reason. I thought the exact same thing. Weight reduction, time constraints etc etc etc. Build the motor make it faster make the car lighter and build it so its done someday. Not only that but its his car, his vision for the car he can and will do what he wants
Alright, man, I'm back on board. Thanks for taking the time to break this all down. I suppose the thing I found irritating was that removing the hybrid drive meant that it was no longer what I felt to be a proper restoration. But in the cold light of day, the hybrid drive just kind of sucks by today's standards.
Seeing how he was going to tackle the hybrid system rebuild was one of the things I was most looking forward to, so the decision was a bit disappointing to me (not that my opinion matters! :)) Having said that, I think he made the right decision - I bet that getting the hybrid system controllers running again would have been a nightmare.
Honestly, same here. I hate to say that I lost interest immediately, but damn did I ever. I plan on watching the rest, but the anticipation I previously had is all but gone. I'm more interested in whatever he has coming next at this point. Because this one went from a P1 to a Mclaren tub with a 3rd party body kit and a new engine. He should dub it the T-1
This is it for me. I completely get why Freddy is ditching the hybrid system, but he's in the business of entertainment and this just doesn't make the content particularly interesting. We've seen these McLarens with built engines already, including from Freddy himself. This now just becomes more of the same. I get that it'll be fast but in the end it's just another twin turbo V8 build with off the shelf parts connected to the same transaxle as in all the other McLaren. Again, I get 100% why he's doing it, but it makes for boring content. I still like Freddy and his channel, but I'm just not tuning in for this build and I find it weird that I'm being attacked for that by Rich. There's tons of shows I like with seasons I don't like and skip. This is the same.
Yeah I’m disappointed but not surprised, I always knew he wouldn’t be able to finish the project but Damm was it fun to watch him prove me wrong for 10 episodes.
@@SkodaYetiFan He's going to finish the project, just sans the hybrid drive. Which, personally I find disappointing, but for what he wants, makes sense.
People forget that 2013 was a long time ago in hybrid/BEV cars. The hybrid drive was never really about performance, it was a time most people’s only thought about hybrid cars was memes about the Toyota Prius. It was a showpiece of what was possible at the time, that hybrid cars could be interesting and that electric power could make ICE better and made the idea of hybrid cars cool. I’m just glad that a cool car that would have been lost altogether is being given a second life as something new, different and cool!
I have been watching Tavarish since before the TT Lamborghini Gallardo convertible. The thing I love about watching his videos is he has a direction he wants to go in, and creates something awesome. The FF Murci was out of this world, the other McLaren was also amazing. Considering how it looked before he took it apart and rebuilt it, the outcome was a homerun. Freddie's vision for the P1 is something I cannot wait to see. Hybrid or not, I have faith that his vision for it will be an absolute home run. As Rich said, today's hybrid system is tomorrows out dated junk. The hybrid system on the P1 motor is the pacemaker to its heart. This P1 is getting a heart transplant and no longer will require a pacemaker.
Hybrid drivetrain makes sense for a Prius. Kind of... Mostly in terms of range anxiety management, really. Sports cars should either be full EV or pure petrols. I, therefore, fully approve Tavarish's plan
I already thought that removing the hybrid system was the right move just from the cost, time, and software nightmare if he put in a different system and you brought up even more good points. Putting in a v12 Ferrari 599 motor in it with a turbo or supercharger would be sick.
Bottom line: The car is the property of Tavarish and HE gets to decide how it gets built. 1. Saving 400 pounds is HUGE. 2. Reducing the complexity of the build is also huge 3. He's NOT selling the P1, so the "value" is meaningless 4. Now he has a great place to install an NOS bottle
As long as it still makes wooshes through the roof scoop and is faster than others who cares. As for the ipass steering wheel button, that could could still be used as rolling anti-lag, same result and turbo technology is way better now and won't drain the battery.
The new lighter build will not only have more HP and less weight to make it faster, but it'll handle better and the braking will be better as well. Having 400lbs less weight to bring to a stop or take a corner is going to have a lot of benefits that Rich didn't even have time to mention
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
For me, it wasn’t the final speed result I wanted to see, I wanted to see the build, the restoration of the whole car, how he got round the battery issue and the technicalities of getting the hybrid system working again, remember it was a very low mileage example. Your point about being £600k more expensive for half a second, so why not just buy a cheaper maclaren and spend the cash upgrading the power to make it faster? He could’ve bought a good condition car and made it more powerful for less than he bought the P1 if power was his only end goal. I’ll still watch but i am disappointed tbh Ps, TH-camrs rely on viewers/subscribers for their existence, there’s no need to get the hump if viewers opinions go a different way to what the YT’bers intended, you either build stuff for yourself and hope viewers like it or you build what you think your audience wants and play it safe.
matglitmorre: Tavarish may have two cars which are called Mclarens. One had thirty miles on it before the engine Tavarish built suffered failure. Yet to turn another wheel under power. Why anyone venerates him is not in any manner rational. Some people enjoy being irrational.
I appreciate your support of his decision but stand by my response. I hope the positive vibes here helps keep his project afloat as he wants it. From a builder standpoint, it’s perfectly reasonable, but that dumb fat battery is what makes it interesting. As a normal, the fastest modified p1 is just more of an already unimaginably fast car. It doesn’t connect to me personally. Solving the battery problem with something custom and better is interesting and to me far more entertaining. (Ala Aging wheels absurd escape disaster) I expected when you became involved that’s where it was headed, a reason to watch both channels. That’s my paid premium two cents…or less I imagine.
Spot on....Freddy set himself up for this negative response by covering so much of the battery process, should have come out swinging and said on day1 that the battery was not part of the build....seems like fixing the battery was somehow NOT budgeted to the build? I mean if the new battery costs 160k from Mclaren, I would have budgeted that in as a worst case scenario and look for cheaper alternatives in the meanwhile... but if nothing, the 160k were there to complete it as OEM. Also not sure where this whole Top Speed thing originated from.... This "P1" will now be something far removed from the stock model, at that point its of little relevance not to mention unsafe as the car was never engineered to go that speed.
As an automotive software engineer and architect, one of my biggest concerns is making this all work due to software in the various modules and maintaining compatibility. Deleting the electric drive simplifies the car but will need to be compensated for in software, most likely the instrument cluster - at least if you don't want constant warning lights on. There may be other complications (state machine interactions between ECU's), time will tell. I do credit him for taking on such an audacious project!
I rode in one once and it was amazing, but then the owner told me the battery replacement would cost $200000 and we had issues on that drive getting it to regen power the 6 mile range worked out to 1.2 miles. Then after that the battery charger failed which was a $40000 expense through Mclaren. I get people want to see this car repaired as a hybrid but this video really makes the point that that wouldn't be in any way feasible.
I think the issue is (at least in my opinion)… he did not need to spend the money he spent on P1 if he is not using any of the P1 stuff. He could have saved himself hundreds of thousands of dollars, and done this build with a regular McLaren perhaps one with a title as this one still has a COD.
It's no longer a P1. P1 chassis. That's it. Non P1 engine, modified with aftermarket parts, aftermarket body shell, custom interior... etc etc. Most of that car will be non-oem.
It's like telling an artist to paint a canvas white, because it was originally white.. I watch you creators, because you're artists, I want to see your ideas and personality shine through on your builds, and I look forward to seeing how these NEW ideas perform in the end. Keep up the great work ! 🙏💪👍🤩
Nailed it, if anything it'd be fun to use the IPAS button as a temporary overboost function. Add like 80HP for 15 seconds or something so it still "works" similar to before
8:04 you said what had to be said, everyone always has an opinion but they are not the ones spending the money or building the car…. Not to mention they would never attempt to take on such a build on themselves smh…. People need to just enjoy the show like the rest of us and stop being so opinionated about how people builds their cars!!!
Absolutely excellent education for the know-it-alls out there. Very well thought out and concise explanation here. I always enjoy when Rich takes the know-it-alls and puts them over his knee and gives them their spanking. 👍👍
Removing the hybrid system was the best move Freddie made with this build. I dont give a damn what the hive mind thinks. Good on Rich for keeping it 100% factual!
I'm in the camp that's not happy about ditching the hybrid system and here is why. A big reason I watch these videos is an interest in the challenges and problem solving from the DIY perspective. As a home mechanic, I lack the resources and support available to big car manufacturers. So Freddy needing to solve the monumental complexity of the P1 hybrid drive without that support is the appeal to me. So yeah, Freddy taking the easy way out to get this McLaren on the road is hugely disappointing. Removing the hybrid drive from P1 doesn't make it unique, it makes it bastardized...
While your line of thought of keeping things original has its merits, in this case it doesn't make sense to keep the hybrid system for a number of reasons: 1. Like Rich explained, it's old and obsolete tech, so parts are no longer available. 2. Water ingression has pretty much destroyed the entire hybrid system, so without new parts, it CAN'T be rebuilt. 3. Removing the whole system reduced the weight so much, that the weight reduction more than compensates for the loss of that 170 HP boost For Freddy it makes much more sense to remove the hybrid system instead of rebuilding it, as the costs of that rebuild would be enormous (battery pack, electric motor, converter, controller and wiring) and realistically speaking simply not worth it.
@@tjroelsma so with new parts it CAN be rebuilt and it could be ‘rebuilt better if he wrenched every day’ using different more modern hybrid components! The bottom line is it’s a bridge too far for him and the $600,000 plus rebuild costs won’t be realised in the value of the ‘bastardised’ result. Fortunately the YT money will save Freddy and loveable as he is he’ll be forgiven! It’s still disappointing for many as logical as Rich’s analysis is.
@@markbennett6658 Theoretically it can be rebuilt, only McLaren has NO new parts for it, as the technology is obsolete. So the first hurdle (getting new parts) is pretty much also the last (there are no new parts). Ripping out the whole original hybrid system and replacing it with a custom-made new system is very expensive and it defeats the point of "keeping it original" That McLaren was junk when Freddy bought it and in my opinion it was way, way too expensive, as in the most literal sense of the word it was a total loss. EVERYTHING in and on that P1 has severe water damage and even if Freddy spends $1 million on rebuilding it completely to spec, it will never regain much value. So his plan to use this wrecked P1 as a base to build a custom-made McLaren is the only logical solution. He also wants to make it faster and as Rich explained even McLaren techs see the hybrid system of the P1 as a gimmick, so why spend a fortune trying to recreate a gimmick that only seems to be there for bragging rights?
I agree. It's not going to be able to be made stock any more. Getting replacement parts is neigh impossible. So, Freddie is going down the right path. It's going to be unique. It was a P1, it may still carry the badge, but it's not what it was... it's better actually. Good call on his part. Glad he went with Rich's recommendation.
I remember watching a carwow video about an exotic car dealer. Guy in the video said about La Ferrari "most of our cars have 0km on them and had their batteries replaced; a replacement costs $300k and Ferrari find it difficult to find replacements ". I'm no expert, but I'd assume it's a similar story with P1 and 918, so yeah... Kinda disappointing to see it not being rebuilt to "factory spec", but in the same time, why would he want the hassle of an old, non mass produced hybrid?
I voted to keep the hybrid drive system but, I also understand why he did it for both cost and performance factor standpoint. I was also somewhat under the belief that an upgraded cell could produce better performance and questioned how you could potentially code the system away. The biggest thing that came to mind, was weight distribution upon removal but, that kinda goes out the window when you throw a 1300hp motor in it as all the prior driving characteristics goes out the window. Edit: I also wasn't one of those dudes who were saying that his p1 is basically a 720 without the hybrid system; thats just assine.
If he really wanted a fast car he would ditch everything McLaren and put a twin turbo ls and auto trans in it like cleetus McFarland dose and have a actually insane fast car with just a cool body. Building a 1300hp McLaren is like juggling a hand grenade with the pin pulled..... Building a 4000hp ls is the easiest thing to do to actually go insane speeds quickly.
Bro he wanted to have top speed with this hybrid system he can't achieve that and hybrid does not add much power to the car. Plus he wanted to make a successor to F1 so by ditching the hybrid system he can do that
A stock p1 is faster than that modded P1 around Nurburgring for sure, why? Because the stock one can do a lap or more whitout overheating, faster is not top speed or quarter mile, in the USA you don´t understand that.@@msheheryar9453
@@johnsnow1355both of those things you Said are false. 4khp on an LS is EXTREMELY HARD. None of cleetus cars make 4k. Mullet is a hemi based big block hate to break the news to you. ALSO, 1200hp McClarens are very common. More common than an ls making 2k.
Considering how damaged the hybrid system was, it was beyond repair and too expensive to replace everything. The best decision is to remove the hybrid system. It will definitely lose some weight and become more reliable.
Well explained, I have always agreed with Travarish and the battery delete, but you articulated it perfectly. Leave the cool electric cars to you, lol.
Makes 100% sense to me.People would feel differently if THEY had to do the work and fund the build. Great video! Look forward to watching both your builds!😎👍
There are those who prefer tech gimmicks, batteries, and over engineering... the same people that are upset about removing old burnt out hybrid junk & saving 400lbs.
Ditching the Duracells is 100% the right move, and I called that on his video as soon as it hit. Its outdated anyways and will only lead to more problems in the future for ALL P1 owners.
Doing My Mclaren's $10,000 service - th-cam.com/video/uj8oj-TvBjg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MKU4JM3EwHGH6kjH
That hybrid system is idiotic.
Just another way of grabbing the $ of those foolish enough to dish it out.
When I’ve read the title of this video, my only thought was: “Finally a respectful youtuber tells everyone that making 50 videos about one vehicle restoration is lame.” I was truly expecting that statement to appear at least at some point of this video. Unfortunately, car youtubers haven’t become honest enough with their audiences yet and haven’t yet decided to tell the truth. And the truth is - making 50 videos about one single McLaren restoration is lame. I got bored on the sixth P1 episode, and I was expecting the Tavarish to accomplish the whole project in about 10-15 videos total, like he did with his blue McLaren. It was interesting to watch. I’ve watched every single episode. I don’t watch the P1 series because there’s too much water in every new video, and I don’t have that extra time for that, even considering that I could have gained some knowledge watching the P1 series. I don’t lose much, skipping Tavarish videos, just like he doesn’t lose much without me watching the P1 series. But I wish he did put as much effort into his series like he did 5 years ago.
Mate my trademark is disagreeing with everybody, so if I see a trend in a comment sections, it is usually wrong, because like you pointed out, masses are dumb on youtube, dumber.
As for Tavarsih's P1, can hardly change the oil in my car, I would not even begin to try to tell him what to do with his car.
And I agree it's disease that does more than just upset youtubers, it screws up society, otherwise all the sheeple would not be all be saying "it's a conspiracy" as soon as you point out there is a conspiracy going on.
It takes 50 videos an 209 sponcer to buy the p1 lol
Rich, despite his antics, is a wise and sensible person. This is a perfect arguement and Freddie is lucky to have a friend to keep him on a successful track on an expensive and risky project. Nice job, guys.
but he is not being honest in his summary. He is saying that the engine will be upgraded but then making all the references to the old hybrid system, that logic is flawed, I know myself I assumed that would also be upgraded otherwise why spend 3 episodes on it.
@@xhorxhi77 it's a project, not a scripted reality show, lmao. Asking why he spent 3 episodes on something he abandoned is like expecting the man to read the future. If anything, the fact he spent 3 episodes on it meant that he tried his best and then decided going in another direction made more sense
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
Remember, Rich is making points for a decision he likely influenced Tavarish into making. Ask yourself this, if the P1 came from the factory without a hybrid system would it of been part of the holy trinity? Would a destroyed example sell for $600k when a brand new 765lt is $400k? Rich is clearly biased here. It is what it is, we'll all see how it plays out.
@@clips1404 except it almost is, this is highly scripted in the sense that prior to the purchase a whole roadmap on the build was laid out in order to secure a budget from sponsors. Ditching this at the 11th hour is due to contractual obligations to said sponsors that want to see the car at SEMA. If he was going to invest so much of the project on the Hybrid aspect of it, then some sort of working solution should have been budgeted to the build.
Otherwise, should have just said from day 1 that the hybrid was a no go. As watchers, and by extension, customers of his content (yes he profits off our views don't forget that) we have grounds on which to be aggrieved by this choice.
Freddie's P1 is his P1. I don't care what he does with it as long as he does something to it- cause that's what he said. It's not like he's asking money from his viewers. We watch for free and we can watch or not watch. Seriously, I don't get where the "hate" comes from.
I hate that it’s not my custom refurbished P1.
because that's the nature of people today.
@@williebrown2525 Everybody's favorite pastime in the 2020's. Whining and complaining in some comment section.
@@heiner71 I think it's awesome that he's even attempting such a monumental task
That’s the thing tho. If we don’t watch. He wouldn’t even be able to do this in the first place. He’s abandoning his audience. When he actually needs them more than ever.
Rich, you're one of the few reasons why TH-cam is a place that I come back to. The ignorance on youtube/other social media is unbelievable yet we have some amazing channels just like yours that enlightens the people and promotes common sense. I genuinely can't thank you enough for your work and wishing you the best luck with your Mclaren rebuild.
The hybrid system was going to be a nightmare, big up for Tavarish
Not that the rest of the car won't be still....lol
There was no point in buying the car to just take out the hole reason you bought the car. Could have done what hes doing to a 720 and saved the half mill he spent. Car is a pile of shit and he cheaped out trying to fix it. Its a dud but he cant say that cuz hes on the hook for so much.
@@scottb9868 he said he wanted to create the ultimate spiritual successor of the F1, and that only can be the P1. A 720, 765,... could never achieve this. And I think this kind of thinking, seeing it as the successor of the old legend, works even better without the Hybrid System, which is outdated anyway.
@@jf7009 Thats called a Mclaren Senna. He isnt doing anything magical, Hes stripping parts off a car because he cant afford it.
@@scottb9868 what color is your Mclaren? You should not speak like that about someone who literally owns a P1, and rebuilding the Hybrid system has no advantage. That is a fact. And why would anyone take a Senna if the P1 is way more beautiful and the official successor of the F1?
Bro for the fact that you made this video shows how genuine of a friend you are to Tavarish. I hope you both finish these projects ON YOUR TIME and not pressured from us idiots xD stay amazing Rich!
Rich likely influenced Tavarish's decision to remove hybrid. He is defending himself as much as Tavarish here.
@TimothyReason : That's 1 hell of an accusation to make without providing any proof.
@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM Does anyone care?
@@barryschwarz : Does anyone not care? What a stupid fukn question.
Kudos for making this video and supporting Freddie. Surprised that so many people kicked off about the hybrid decision, when it made total sense to remove it.
Most people don’t even know much and are just following wherever the wind blows 😂
That's the point though - it made sense to do it. But I don't want to watch somebody doing things that make sense. It's a $600,000 flood-destroyed hypercar. That doesn't make sense. Why cut out a really interesting problem like the hybrid system?
If I wanted "sense" I'd have watched somebody buy a nearly new Toyota Corolla.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Does it make sense to spend 120k and wait a year for a system that might not work at all? While also hindering his own goal for the car?
@@YoungShul It wouldn't cost that much at all. He's not going to get the original McLaren battery. You could get a custom better one for less than a tenth of that price now.
@@drunkenhobo8020 that custom one you are mentioning was in the video. They said themselves it would take a year and cost 120k. And custom poses an even bigger risk of it just not working
Really nice to see you having Freddy’s back, to the extent of breaking down why it makes sense. He knows what he’s doing. I love watching & very much appreciate you all.
@TimothyReasonproof?
@TimothyReason you have no proof of what you said and I have now report your comment.
@TimothyReason Nothing proven or hard facts. Two and two like this makes potato. If you haven't got the evidence and all the facts then you should keep it shut.
Freddy's P1 will be the first of many P1s to ditch the electrical system. Watch.
Agree
He should stop calling its a P1 PERIOD
@@juiceplanet147 No. He shouldn’t. It’s still a P1. Get over yourself.
@@juiceplanet147"StOp CaLlinG iT tHe p1"😂
That's an excellent way to turn a $2,000,000 hypercar into a $200,000 supercar. There are a lot of fools out there.
I was originally one of those disappointed. While it would be "cool" to have the battery, the performance gains are obvious and vital to Tavarish's completion of the P1. Thanks so much for the video, it absolutely helped me see exactly why he decided to ditch it!
If the electric motors drive the front wheels I'd have said restore the hybrid. In the P1 the electric motor drives the rear wheels and is used to fill in turbo lag. Modern turbos have heaps less lag so the issue is far less important. If the minimal lag still bothers then go the koenisegg route and have a compressed air system to instantly spool the turbos. So I reckon Freddy made the right decision, especially given the weight loss.
@@daniellarge9784 Yes. Whatever he lost on response, he gains back on handling. Weight is the enemy of handling, and the more weight the car loses the better it will handle. A 3000 lbs car pulling 1G lateral acceleration is making it's tires grip for 3000 lbs on the pavement. Less weight requires less from the tires.
But i'm not really sure if Tavarish will use any of that newfound grip anyway 🤷
You’ve definitely changed my previous opinion on the hybrid drive system. Great video. One of the reasons I’ll continue to watch this channel. Keep putting out the great content. Thanks for sticking up for Tavarish.
I love that you'll take this time to support people, congrats Rich, respect.
He talks about tav so that tav will talk about him. In the end they just promote each other so they can both make more money.
Sure there's a part of it that is "support". But overall, it's just business.
And you're "paying" for it.
When you see small channels able to make a complete crashed car rebuild fit in a 20 min video and then rich people making 20x20min videos to do a 2 hour mod... You just start wondering who's actually putting in work, and who's just milking the system. Without even talking about the clickbait, fake and staged crap vids etc...
I find it quite sad, makes people become naive, not really smarter.
Couldn'it say it better, Rich you said it very good and even convinced me. At first I was a pro-hybrid but after watching this I changed my mind. Thanks for being clear and helping Tavarish with this which he didnt deserve all this hate.
And this is why I watch Rich...he spells out the what and why behind the decisions made with the creations he builds. Tavarish does get a little more emotionally involved with his cars, and that might lead to how he phrases his decisions. Having said that, I support his decision to remove the hybrid system and build a more potent engine in its place. Thank you Rich, and Good Luck to Freddie!
Don't hold back, Rich, tell us how you really feel! But you are totally right, ditching the hybrid system on the P1 is totally the right call. With the engine build he's doing, he'll be adding way more than 175 HP with a huge weight reduction, which will help braking and handling too.
i don't really know anything about cars, i just found this channel by mistake and thought it was really interesting, but for Tuvarish, if he "beefs" up the engine and then decided to restore the hybrid drive thing, with the engine putting out more power than what was designed couldn't that also have caused more problems in the future? like the electric motor is only putting out so much power and is only suspected to hold onto so much power when shifting, so if he did something like gave his car like 500 more horsepower then couldn't just the power alone actually make the hybrid system break or be alot worse and actually be worse for the car instead of a boost of power?
@@Arcella1981i dont think the motor would care too much since it's just adding power, as long as rpm is similiar. When shifting, power is cut to the engine anyways for a split second. Maybe if the engine revs through the rpm range really fast the motor would be less effective, not sure
@@Arcella1981the v8 alone makes 832 hp
@@Arcella1981 The entire hybrid system cables connectors batteries modules etc.. was really the worst affected in Tavarish flooded P1 car.. and because is way to expensive to be properly fully restored and let's say that even if he will do it it, will it be out-dated so is not worth to add it back into the car even if would have new lighter batteries the car would still be heavy that is why all the money Freddy (Tavarish) will spend will go split in 2 major directions for the P1 build :1) to a new wider-carbon body-kit (because original OE body panels that need to be replaced since were damaged in flood are also crazy expensive and factory delays to supply it would take way too longer to finish the project and 2) rest of the money for increasing the original motor performance, dyno tuning and other performance oriented parts & setups..
I’m glad you addressed this, especially as someone who commented in favor of the hybrid system. As complex as I’m sure it is, my hope was Tavarish would modernize this hybrid system. Yes, I understand that’s most likely a huge undertaking, and it’s easy to have such desires from behind the keyboard. It did feel a little like he glossed over the topic quickly and could have helped ease the tension by addressing further. All said, I don’t own a McLaren or anything close to it, so take any of this with many grains of salt. Regardless, good on ya for standing up for your friend!
I also think there’s a difference between people complaining that he removed the hybrid system and people expressing disappointment. I think most are just disappointed because they were under the impression it was going to be restored. Either way I’m sure it’ll end up being awesome.
I also think most people in comment sections are cry babys in their 30's, what a shame
@@TEXXTO and then there’s the nonces who leave disrespectful replies to try to look cool.
They aren't paying for it. Get over it.
These are the same morons that quote MPG stats for performance cars.
That's on you for having that expectation.
He never alluded to that, if you had some common sense you would've known since day 1 it was barely possible. Let alone worthwhile.
Sticking up for his friend and bringing people to the reality of the project… I love it
He's salty and out of order. Never bite the hand that feeds you
Cry more.@@pete1208
@pete1208 : Get a fukn grip of yourself! All he's done is tell you something that you don't agree with, there's nothing salty about it.
He could have absolutely kept the hybrid system. A lot of people are not aware but the 156,000 dollar battery that McLaren is selling is different from the original p1 battery pack. In 2020 when the McLaren speedtail came out , it featured a new and improved battery pack that weighs only 110 pounds, the original p1 battery weighs 234 pounds. McLaren offered p1 owners the chance to upgrade their batteries to the one from the speedtail with new tuning for better acceleration. Only downside is the new electric only range is less than half of the original electric range from the p1. But owners benefit from over 100 pounds weight saving and better acceleration. So if he did decide to buy a new battery pack from McLaren, he would not be getting the battery pack that you guys pulled out. He would be getting the battery pack in the McLaren speedtail. And McLaren offered p1 owners a 6 year warranty along with it.
If that happens that nice...but do u really think Maclaren will provide him the battery pack fr his salvaged P1.... Even u know how much Maclaren helped in this project..
I was under the impression that he was going to add a new (modern) hybrid system as well as modifying the motor. With the exception of programming the motor or ECU to communicate with the new pieces; i really hoped he could find some company with a battery system to really make something unique. Either way I still want to see this build complete in what ever form it takes.
also he is trying to get it ready for SEMA which starts in about 2 weeks? lol I think the complexity about installing any hybrid system is going to take a long time, so maybe i the mid future he will, but for SEMA, I dont think so, maybe some of his sponsors wants the car to be there
It's not worth installing it though. Nothing about it makes the car better. The cost alone will add another 300k to it for no benefit. The car is 10x better without it.
@@santiagooehler yea I think thats the case for now. Will still be a killer build at the end of it all just with the new body kit alone.
@@duanebailey6253 just hopes and dreams on my part. I would like to believe there are some companies who would love to have someone test their product, but i just have no idea how far stand alone systems have come thus far.
He is not even calling it a actual P1 anymore. He named it the P1-Evo. His car, his money, his decision.
Not his money. It’s a loan. Which needs to be repaid. Repaid either by TH-cam revenue, or selling the car.
Pissing his viewers off is not a smart move financially. Also the car loses a ton of value without the hybrid. A restored P1 might worth a million bucks, but not like this…
This is a good point. Freddy should lean heavily on this, that the project is not a restoration project. There are other P1s that can be restoration / preservation museum pieces.
@@juzolivalue lol. It lost its value after the flood. His money, his car, cry about it
@@juzolii was excited for the full restoration but that is such a dumb take, he wont make any profit selling this only counting the money hed put in it now. and hed need to put down hundreds more to get it fully dinished. and hed get better veiws actually being able to upload a build, making it not hybrid makes the build progress actually possible in a year, with a refurbished battery or custom one itd take years to fully finish the p1. fact is your in the minority, most people dont hear p1 rebuild and freak out bc theyre gonna see a hybrid system rebuilt. they want to see progress
He should rename it to McLaren P1200 as a nod to the internal name the car had AND as a reference to the Hp number...
You make a lot of good points. I only have 1 question remaining: if you remove all of parts that differentiated the p1 from the other McLarens then what was the point of paying the massive premium for a P1 in the first place?
He didn't pay the premium to begin with
He paid 575k for a totalled P1. This is more than the 720s brand freaking new. If this isn’t a premium I don’t know what is. If Tarvarish started the video with Rich explaining the whole thing then there won’t be any uproar.
@@krisl3228 tbf, I think a 720 build wouldn't do nearly as well in terms of youtube views and revenue considering he just did a 675LT build which was insane in of itself.
@@krisl3228 A P1 with battery, e-clutch, electrical harness and e-motor removed and an engine with higher horsepower could be a fantastic opportunity. Imagine the debates if the hybrid system is removed and it performs much better in terms of manoeuvrability and acceleration? You normally don't get to have those kinds of debates with S-tier cars. (I say this as someone who believes in electrification of vehicles but a general interest in vehicle engineering)
@@HenryKlausEsq.Doesn't the weight also help keep the car planted.
So Freddie, in your words, now has a McLaren 12c? 🤔
Let’s face it, he could have just purchased a 12c or 650s and put a more powerful built engine in it.
By your reasoning it wouldn’t be any different.
It’s great that your sticking up for him and I fully understand your reasoning.
Build it better is Freddie’s saying, so by this statement I would have understood if he had built the hybrid system better, if he doesn’t have the skills then he shouldn’t have purchased the car.
It’s like buying that water flooded Bugatti and sticking another engine in it? You would totally devalue the car and take away one of its key features, good or bad. The same applies to the hybrid system. It’s part of the car. The same as the doors and the way they open, something you could change, but would you?? Probably not
Listen, most of the people aren’t disappointed because we care for the power the hybrid system adds or anything, but they way he was going to deal with the hybrid system, the difficulties, the solutions and everything that comes with it made it so interesting to watch, i think going to sema was a bad decision that made him rush the build, he should just have gone with the original plan, but this is just my opinion.
Im still stunned at the "now is just like every other Mclaren". NO! it will be the only P1 without a battery in the world! Saved a ton a money, made it lighter, unique for a P1 and cut on build time. No brainer. If he intended to please the purist or care about resale, he wouldn't had bought one in such horrible condition. This was a TH-cam project. It achieved its goal. Got tons of views
Thank you Rick! It’s nice to see an adult explain to these kids that the hybrid wasn’t a big deal to begin with. Also it would never be a 2 million dollar car ever again.
When travarish is done. Even without he will get allot more than the 2mil. Just because it is a travarish build. 😉🙏 and completely modified. One of a kind p1. 👍
It’s only worth what someone is willing to pay and i doubt this P1 will ever be for sale!!
The hybrid drive implemented like that is quite stupid. I believe the only real reason the car was designed that way is the novelty factor. As Rich said if it was used to make it 4x4 it would be much more important for the handling.
@@pellelarsson83 Noooo he wont !!!
@@mixalis6168 yes he will. Not right now. But in a few years this car would sell for allot more as a highly modified famous car to some collector. But i think travarish will never sell it. But keep in mind. Travarish know the right people too. He would sell it quite easily 👍
Heavy battery bad, bigger turbo more power, stronger rods, make car go fast. I 100% agree with getting rid of the hybrid drive. Shoot, delete it and get a minimal nitrous setup amd you have the same thing for a lot less weight
It's also future proof. A new battery would no longer be new in 10 years and would need replacing again. Hybrid and fully EV Super and Hypercars are a bad investment if one expects the cars to gain value over time. ICE cars can be kept alive almost forever. Electric cars deteriorate, no matter what.
Less weight = more speed
@@Based-Cat88True, and while Rich didn't have enough time to mention it, less weight also means better braking. Having to bring a car to a stop is a lot easier when it weighs 400 lbs less
yeh, Freddy has a great record with mclaren engines
@@RonniePTexan facts
I have to admit I was one of the people who said Freddie should keep the hybrid system, but you are right, Rich. The car will be better off with a better engine and no hybrid battery. I think if it was relatively cheap and easy to upgrade and get the latest, more powerful lighter battery for it, and upgrade the engine at the same time, it would have been cool to keep it as a hybrid, but clearly that is not the case. Money wise, it will never be worth $2m again no matter what Freddie does with it, so he might as well build the car he wants and ignore anyone that disagrees with him. At the end of the day, you can't please everybody.
People complaining about him not doing the hybrid system like its gonna effect them lol. Its the first P1 that wont have a hybrid system, so W for Tav
Lol yeah, lots of hate. I for one think it will be cool.
At least he has the balls to do something different
They must be steel belted.
@@clonetrooper576 Nobody owes you a fucking thing kid
@@clonetrooper576He is building his P1 correctly to his specs, not to McLaren specs. He never said he was going to make it stock.
@@Frank-Thoresen He did say he was going to "build it right" and, granted he never said fully he would "keep it stock" but we ASSUMED the hybrid drive would stay. I suppose it is on us, we never really expected this, because when Tavarish was at the shop in the UK, we assumed he would be using that upgraded new battery. Otherwise why make that video?
@@clonetrooper576 He was for sure investigating and entertaining the idea of keeping the battery. He took us on the ride to see what he was thinking. Then we also heard the problems with the old battery technology and the price tag of 120K $ and at least a year to deliver it. His conclusion is understandable.
I understand what you are saying about the P1 but, two things, 1. you can put a bigger engine or more PSI in ANYTHING and make it faster, that's not the spirit of the P1 it's a hybrid car. 2. Freddie all of the sudden bailed on the hybrid system when he announced the car was going to SEMA and had a severely crunched timeline.
It’s a garbage 10 year old obsolete and poorly designed EV system; I think you’re too obsessed with a P1 being a hybrid than the P1 being a hyper car built for every drop of performance you can squeeze out of it
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. It's a certificate of destruction title, so Freddy's probably going to slap on transporter tags and do
This actually all makes sense. I'm glad that you came with a proper explanation about why Tavarish is ditching the hybrid system.
Not only is the system outdated and removing it will make the car significantly lighter, but also because Tavarish is adding extra power to the engine. Which would make the electric boost useless in comparison.
Well, Put it against a P1 LM in a circuit then and see who Mclaren is faster, not in the street or a drag race. Or a lap around Nurburgring to see if the car overheats and they need to stop in the middle of te lap in the "faster" car.
@@fcmancos884fun fact the P1 GTR ditched the hybrid system for more power and more lightweight. So basically tavarish is the first customer car to get a GTR Treatment.
Even funnier, the P1 GTR had an extra of 62hp from the combustion engine and 20hp from the electric motor and 110 pounds lighter. @@johncastle95
honestly i dont care ether way im going to enjoy his content. but i get both viewpoints, like what's the difference between 720 rebuild and a p1 rebuild other than the price tag? on the other side it just makes sense to ditch the 2010 electric system.
@@johncastle95 P1 GTR is a hybrid.
Rich, I was one of the first guys to comment on the tavarish build saying he should have saved $500k and just modded his 675. In truth I wanted to see him update and improve the hybrid system with todays tech not realising there are specific advantages to using the P1 chassis without adding in planned obsolescence. It’s great you could clear things up and thanks for taking the time to explain.
Then he wouldn't get the same amount of attention/views/subs, saving the P1 is a good PR for his channel
Barrie I don't think you understand how getting attention works
This is what’s going to happen. He will hit a technical snag. He’ll be overwhelmed and he will announce a new project. I used to love Tavarish when he took on projects he could handle in his garage in NJ. When he moved to Florida and got the Gallardo, I watched the entire series hoping to see everything fixed… when he couldn’t fix the roof, he basically gave up and started piling on different projects he never finishes… I gave up on his channel because it just wasn’t fun to see nothing completed
it’s a free 176hp and more importantly crazy amount of torque on top of whatever the peak engine hp is from his upgraded built engine. 176 additional hp, even more torque with no loss in engine efficiency, or added heat etc to the engine. On demand instant hp/tq at the cost of a measly 110lbs that actually helps to lower the cars center of gravity and 50/50 balance. The old battery was much heavier, the new McLaren battery is more than half the weight of the original, so they are heavily exaggerating the added weight as the technology has been recently upgraded and lightened significantly over the years
@@jonathanrollins7292 it's not only battery weight, the electric motor has also weight.
This is what makes a good friend, thank you for breaking it down for the masses. This makes sense me and I think it's dumb for people to unsub him for his choices for his car.
Rich is a great and true friend. Love to see when TH-camrs look out for each other.
Or...he has given bad advice to his friend and tries damage control. Of course it is the viewers fault.
@@ralfulrich6254tavarish got advice from McLaren, battery rebuilding experts and his friend who has ran a groundbreaking electric car repair company for years. But it's the random YT commenters that are experts. I bet you're loved at work(if you got one).
People are mistaking disappointment for hate. The sole reason I was watching was to see what he did w/ the hybrid system. There is now zero reason to watch the build. I will just check in at the end to see the final product.
I don't watch Tavarish but I'm generally curious... why would you buy a P1 if you where just going to ditch the hybrid system? I get it ,you can make more power with new turbos but it will never be the same... I personally believe that the hybrid system is what made these cars. Could he have bought another McLaren shell for way cheaper if he planned to go this route? Not trying not to hate just don't 100% understand I guess
He spent over $500k on a flooded P1 and essentially will only be using the chassis. He could have bought a brand new 765lt for less than $400k (even with a mark-up) and spend the balance on mods and would arguably have a more 'unique' car.
Brilliant explanation Rich and you’re clearly a great friend for sticking up for your buddy. I thought I was the only one that left a positive comment on Freddie’s video and couldn’t believe the negativity. Yes his decision was controversial but often the best and most successful ones are. I applaud him for doing this and applaud you for standing up for him. 👏👏🙏🙏
Ps. + 1 subscriber 👍
I really appreciate you sticking up for a friend. I watched the video when decision was made. Had no clue people got upset by it
But no really, guys please watch my Mclaren video my mom didn't like it - th-cam.com/video/pb33b4_lsxc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1oalqjdOs9uPYUAm
I'm so sick of Tavarish shills, even if his smile makes angels moist.
10:19 why don’t you just admit it that you don’t know how to do it⁉️🙄🇺🇸🤡🤬🇬🇧
10:59 🤡🇺🇸
Arrange an interview with Gordon Murray and see what he thinks about it. I bet he will agree to remove the hybrid system.
@@pcihector would he F🤬CK 🇺🇸🤡
A quick note, you can put a button on the steering wheel for an anti-turbo lag and that will make a big difference on the car performance 👍 🏁
Every sticker ads 5 HP, or so I heard.
Or better yet, have a nitrous oxide system and just to make fun of the crybabies, have it add a 175 HP shot of nitrous! 😂😂
@@RonniePTexan Yeah, there is even nice space for the bottles. Sure, a bit cumbersome to change them but I think he could rig a filling port there somewhere, it's just gas after all. Though I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen, but a nice "what if?".
I thought the same thing basically. Freddie could keep the IPAS button and use it to add more boost from the massive upgraded turbos he is installing.
@@RonniePTexan Yeah that would really piss the purists off eh. Don't think he will need to though after the engine re-bore and massive new turbos go on. He is aiming for a 250 car which would make it one of the fastest McLaren's in the world.
Speaking of Carlin, my favorite Carlin quote is "Think about how dumb the average person is, now realize that half of them are stupider than that".
Lots of respect for stepping in to vouch for Freddie with what looks like all of your heart, man. Unfortunately, though, you seem to have completely misunderstood the reaction of the vast majority of @tavarish's viewers.
Most likely, they may not even care about performance numbers or SEMA presentations. They watch his channel because "he is the warranty" and "wrenches every day," making something most of his viewers dream about doing, but for one reason or another, can't just yet. Freddie is making dreams of many viewers come true and that's why his channel is so popular. With this P1, viewers were hoping to see another MIRACLE happen and not by cheating with bigger turbos or battery. They wanted to see him actually wrench every day as if he were the only warranty for such a project. They wanted this MURACLE to actually come true regardless of time or money spent because that's what Freddie himself has promised, even if indirectly through all of his past successful projects.
When you talk about all the performance numbers, you are missing one simple thing; anyone can go and buy a used Ludicrous Tesla for around 50k and destroy ANY supercar/hypercar in a real world race off the stop light. It doesn't matter how much horsepower Freddie will be able to shove into this Frankenstein of a car if anyone with average credit can get that Tesla and beat it any day of the week. That's why viewers wanted to see him do something no one else could, a MIRACLE. They didn't want him to fail with this project even if only because all other youtubers predicted a failure.
Spot on. Rich reducing the majority of the voices echoing this as a bad move to some sort of childish pack mentality is borderline an insult to those who have laid out the above points mentioned. Sometimes when a large group of people says something is a bad idea, its cuz it is.
Tavarish has made a series that dedicated a large portion of it to the hybrid aspect only to ditch it at the 11th hour because of SEMA time constraints and what amounts to lack of foresight on securing a worst case scenario battery replacement solution into the budget of the build...
The project is somewhat of a clickbait now... heck the episode where he states the battery is being ditched is pretty much just a filler episode with not real progress and a questionable car diagnosing app partner ad "integrated" into the discussion.
Basically you 100% nailed it
I wanted Tavarish to keep the hybrid drive system as it would make the videos more interesting. the challenge of improving the system (more electric power or lighter) would have been fun to see, along with a built/tuned engine. otherwise it seems to similar to the 675, just another tuned Mclaren, body kit, bigger turbo.
Having it hybrid is unique among Mclarens and what set the P1 apart. yes a P1 is old tech now, but modernising that tech would be awesome.
as soon as i heard him say he was dropping the hybrid system i was disappointed, before i had even read the comments. i understand why he chose do it though, makes the project a lot more simple and cheaper.
Old hybrid systems are stupid, get over it. Less weight, less complexity get it?
@@DigitalDissidentdon't buy a p1 get a 720s.
Agreed. I was hoping he'd collaborate with Rich on building a NEW battery pack, because the old cells are using tech that's going on 15 years old. He'd probably save money and have MORE energy density by using modern cells. I'm still gonna watch the series, but just with a little less enthusiasm.
@@McNasty43 $600k in the first place was the biggest waste of 💰
@@kdl1066 u mad cus u cant buy one ? cry about it
I really hope squarespace pays good money because the layering of jokes put into every single squarespace spot is fantastic.
here is my take. i don't care about what he does with his car. my comment to all of this is: sport-hybrid system in p1 is deeply integrated to compensate for the small engine and turbo lag. yes system that heavy was a bad idea by manufacturer, but removing it will be at least problematic. this system is integrated in mappings of engine, gearbox, handling. everything. and what are the options on compensating power at low rpm? none. engine is already overboosted and you can't fit a bigger one. the real reason you are ditching the hybrid you cant repair it for cheap. but removing hybrid will be another fiasco. the whole "flooded p1 for insane money" project was a bad idea. usually bad projects like yours are cheap and payed for by the TH-cam revenue. but this p1 is one big [facepalm]. too expensive, too complex. on this road he will need new gearbox, ECU, new dash. and still will have turbo lag. how i see this p1's future: it will be a Frankenstein Monster with some lipstick on it. he will show it with words like see how loud and colorful it is. i really doubt it will ever be as good on a real track as original p1. and nobody in his right mind will ever buy it. only goal of going through with fake optimism you two show in the video is to find a fool who will pay you remotely close to what you spent.
Yup.. "ditching" the hybrid system does not resolve the issues, its not like you can just NOT use it and everything else will work... This adds on potentially a whole slew of compromises.
Its likely now the engine will have an ECU thats NOT from a P1 so it does look for a hybrid system, but then that snowballs to other modules that may or may not integrate to that NonP1 spec ECU... Next thing you know "I'm ditching the P1s complex suspension for KW V3s" ...
Any true car guys should appreciate Rich's technical defense for the build; however, stop with the "watch for free..so no complaints". Many have YT premium, which is for pay. More importantly, the site is monetized so Tavarish and you get money from the views. So ill informed or not you'll still get money from their views.
I didn't see the comments but this is spot on. At least he kept a car from being scrap and doing tasteful things, at least visually anyway.. and what better might finger to the tree huggers than to rip out the useless batteries for a more reliable and more powerful setup.
You're 100% right. I similarly commented on Freddy's video that I look forward to his truly, one of a kind unique P1 and deleting the hybrid system feels like a no brainer given all the benefits you've outlined here. Awesome vid, thanks Rich!
Ditching the hybrid system does align with Freddie's goals of making a P1 faster. I think the Internet wanted to see him build it better, as in, improve what the P1 started as, not just ripping stuff out, and adding power. It almost feels like the "easier" way out. We watch Freddie do seemingly impossible things, and to give up on the hybrid system, I can see why people are disappointed. Everyone loves to see him defy odds, which he's already doing. So they should appreciate that and let the build live as he wants it.
So many people here are clueless as to how complex, time consuming and costly trying to improve a hybrid system is. tavarish is improving the P1 with more power, a new better looking body and no doubt many other custom pieces. We want to see a result this side of the decade and as much as i love project binky imagine not seeing the car "done" for a good 6 years. by which time the technology will once again be out of date. Why do you think people just reuse teslas systems? its because its had a huge team of people and money for R&D to get it to work the way it does.
It's no longer a P1. Its a P1 chassis with an aftermarket body shell with a McLaren engine, modified with after market parts, with a customer interior. The only oem thing will be the chassis. And that burned in the battery fire so God knows what it's structural integrity is like. This project is a very expensive dumpster fire.
I’m wondering in light of ditching the hybrid drive, was buying the P1 for $600k a good value?? He made a huge point of saying this is a $2 million car, which it will never be. So why not build a cheaper version McLaren and make it look like whatever you want?
For me it wasn’t about the performance. I wanted to see him conquer the unconquerable task
He needs to just get rid of the ipas button and put in an inos button. 😂 250 shot of NOS then he still basically the extra HP at the push of a button.
And lighter, more like the f1 lmao
What absolutely baffles me is the sense of entitlement that a lot of these people have, along with the addition of a total lack of common sense and understanding of the complexities behind these decisions. People are not only “disappointed” and “upset” that a car they have absolutely 0 personal investment or involvement in is not being done the way they want, they have the audacity to sulk and complain about it.. it just makes no sense to me. The mental gymnastics involved to convince yourself that the removal of the hybrid drive no longer makes it a genuine P1, despite the face the entire shell is being replaced, along with 100’s of other components is another thing that totally perplexes me. If you are really that upset over a decision that was made where literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, and potentially a year + of R&D is at stake, then you really have bigger issues to worry about.
Rich has just made an entire video defending Tavarish, not once updating us on his own rebuild. Now that's what I call a good friend.
I was guilty of being one of those people, but this video changed my mind and I actually agree this is the right way to go with this build now. I guess I was just blinded by thinking a P1 must be a hybrid full stop.
I think everyone should have access to comments, but not everyone is right. The decision to ditch the hybrid is awesome and old-school. The story will generate value regardless
Thanks for the explanation Rich it puts a lot of things in perspective. I wasn't necessarily trying to burn Freddy at the stake like some others my thing was that I thought he was gonna be like the first guy to have an updated lightweight system I actually did think he would've gone the 4 wheel drive hybrid kinda like the 918 but on steroids. Hey if the guy who literally has an EV repair shop says scrap the battery scrap the battery.
P1's hybrid system added 1 kg per hp. Which is NOT a great trade-off, let alone when all going to the rear axle like the ICE.
One of the few youtubers who I have any respect for. There is no cringe in his videos and he doesn't act like every other youtuber who fakes emotions for views. I live in north eastern CT and it's pretty cool that this dude lives a state away from me. Hey rich, do you want me to convert my 1999 Ford ranger to an EV? That would be badass.
I have been watching you for at least 3.5 years, and I have loved every video you've made and have never disagreed with any of your opinions, and I'm not starting now! I agree with everything you've said in this video and believe Tavarish needs to do what he wants with his own damn car, and it will be better than stock, like everything he does!
👏 Thank you Rich for being the voice of reason. I thought the exact same thing. Weight reduction, time constraints etc etc etc. Build the motor make it faster make the car lighter and build it so its done someday. Not only that but its his car, his vision for the car he can and will do what he wants
Alright, man, I'm back on board. Thanks for taking the time to break this all down. I suppose the thing I found irritating was that removing the hybrid drive meant that it was no longer what I felt to be a proper restoration. But in the cold light of day, the hybrid drive just kind of sucks by today's standards.
imho...the vehicle was in such a state, I never felt it could ever really be properly restored.
Rich thank you so much for posting this video You literally mirror my exact thoughts and sentiment While watching the p one build process
Seeing how he was going to tackle the hybrid system rebuild was one of the things I was most looking forward to, so the decision was a bit disappointing to me (not that my opinion matters! :)) Having said that, I think he made the right decision - I bet that getting the hybrid system controllers running again would have been a nightmare.
Honestly, same here. I hate to say that I lost interest immediately, but damn did I ever. I plan on watching the rest, but the anticipation I previously had is all but gone. I'm more interested in whatever he has coming next at this point. Because this one went from a P1 to a Mclaren tub with a 3rd party body kit and a new engine. He should dub it the T-1
At this point is like a DDE video "building" a car but not hiring other people to do it and starting from a crashed car.@@caodesignworks2407
This is it for me. I completely get why Freddy is ditching the hybrid system, but he's in the business of entertainment and this just doesn't make the content particularly interesting. We've seen these McLarens with built engines already, including from Freddy himself.
This now just becomes more of the same. I get that it'll be fast but in the end it's just another twin turbo V8 build with off the shelf parts connected to the same transaxle as in all the other McLaren.
Again, I get 100% why he's doing it, but it makes for boring content. I still like Freddy and his channel, but I'm just not tuning in for this build and I find it weird that I'm being attacked for that by Rich. There's tons of shows I like with seasons I don't like and skip. This is the same.
Yeah I’m disappointed but not surprised, I always knew he wouldn’t be able to finish the project but Damm was it fun to watch him prove me wrong for 10 episodes.
@@SkodaYetiFan He's going to finish the project, just sans the hybrid drive. Which, personally I find disappointing, but for what he wants, makes sense.
People forget that 2013 was a long time ago in hybrid/BEV cars.
The hybrid drive was never really about performance, it was a time most people’s only thought about hybrid cars was memes about the Toyota Prius.
It was a showpiece of what was possible at the time, that hybrid cars could be interesting and that electric power could make ICE better and made the idea of hybrid cars cool.
I’m just glad that a cool car that would have been lost altogether is being given a second life as something new, different and cool!
I have been watching Tavarish since before the TT Lamborghini Gallardo convertible. The thing I love about watching his videos is he has a direction he wants to go in, and creates something awesome. The FF Murci was out of this world, the other McLaren was also amazing. Considering how it looked before he took it apart and rebuilt it, the outcome was a homerun.
Freddie's vision for the P1 is something I cannot wait to see. Hybrid or not, I have faith that his vision for it will be an absolute home run. As Rich said, today's hybrid system is tomorrows out dated junk. The hybrid system on the P1 motor is the pacemaker to its heart. This P1 is getting a heart transplant and no longer will require a pacemaker.
Hybrid drivetrain makes sense for a Prius. Kind of... Mostly in terms of range anxiety management, really.
Sports cars should either be full EV or pure petrols.
I, therefore, fully approve Tavarish's plan
I already thought that removing the hybrid system was the right move just from the cost, time, and software nightmare if he put in a different system and you brought up even more good points. Putting in a v12 Ferrari 599 motor in it with a turbo or supercharger would be sick.
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Bottom line: The car is the property of Tavarish and HE gets to decide how it gets built.
1. Saving 400 pounds is HUGE.
2. Reducing the complexity of the build is also huge
3. He's NOT selling the P1, so the "value" is meaningless
4. Now he has a great place to install an NOS bottle
As long as it still makes wooshes through the roof scoop and is faster than others who cares.
As for the ipass steering wheel button, that could could still be used as rolling anti-lag, same result and turbo technology is way better now and won't drain the battery.
The iPass button will become the nitro button 👍
The car is gonna be lighter and it’s gonna make way more power it’s not gonna be a stock motor imo it’s gonna be a wayyyyy better car than stock
The new lighter build will not only have more HP and less weight to make it faster, but it'll handle better and the braking will be better as well. Having 400lbs less weight to bring to a stop or take a corner is going to have a lot of benefits that Rich didn't even have time to mention
Or use the ipass button for NITROUS and make it a real IPASS button!!
As a hybrid prius owner I am always hoping for someone to mod the hybrids to go faster. Like bigger battery more , voltage to motor and a ugly stupid prius thats actually undercover tesla that can go instantly very quick and beat sportscars. Just my two cents. If the battery was custom made and bigger. Ecu cracked and made to work with the rest of the drivetrain it would be some next level COOL SHIT! Rich and Freddy are just lazy to mess with the logistics of it and the computer brains because its really tough to crack stock ecus
For me, it wasn’t the final speed result I wanted to see, I wanted to see the build, the restoration of the whole car, how he got round the battery issue and the technicalities of getting the hybrid system working again, remember it was a very low mileage example.
Your point about being £600k more expensive for half a second, so why not just buy a cheaper maclaren and spend the cash upgrading the power to make it faster?
He could’ve bought a good condition car and made it more powerful for less than he bought the P1 if power was his only end goal.
I’ll still watch but i am disappointed tbh
Ps, TH-camrs rely on viewers/subscribers for their existence, there’s no need to get the hump if viewers opinions go a different way to what the YT’bers intended, you either build stuff for yourself and hope viewers like it or you build what you think your audience wants and play it safe.
While so many people arguing the hybrid system, I'm still enjoy watch him installing panel by panel on his p1
Whatever Freddy does will be amazing! Every project he has ever touched has turned into gold! Can't wait to see what he does with this P1!!! Love it
matglitmorre: Tavarish may have two cars which are called Mclarens. One had thirty miles on it before the engine Tavarish built suffered failure. Yet to turn another wheel under power. Why anyone venerates him is not in any manner rational. Some people enjoy being irrational.
I don't know about that. The whole jared project at questionable garage isn't going so hot
he's not gonna see this bro.
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Well said Richard, I totally agree.
I appreciate your support of his decision but stand by my response. I hope the positive vibes here helps keep his project afloat as he wants it. From a builder standpoint, it’s perfectly reasonable, but that dumb fat battery is what makes it interesting. As a normal, the fastest modified p1 is just more of an already unimaginably fast car. It doesn’t connect to me personally. Solving the battery problem with something custom and better is interesting and to me far more entertaining. (Ala Aging wheels absurd escape disaster) I expected when you became involved that’s where it was headed, a reason to watch both channels. That’s my paid premium two cents…or less I imagine.
Spot on....Freddy set himself up for this negative response by covering so much of the battery process, should have come out swinging and said on day1 that the battery was not part of the build....seems like fixing the battery was somehow NOT budgeted to the build? I mean if the new battery costs 160k from Mclaren, I would have budgeted that in as a worst case scenario and look for cheaper alternatives in the meanwhile... but if nothing, the 160k were there to complete it as OEM.
Also not sure where this whole Top Speed thing originated from.... This "P1" will now be something far removed from the stock model, at that point its of little relevance not to mention unsafe as the car was never engineered to go that speed.
As an automotive software engineer and architect, one of my biggest concerns is making this all work due to software in the various modules and maintaining compatibility. Deleting the electric drive simplifies the car but will need to be compensated for in software, most likely the instrument cluster - at least if you don't want constant warning lights on. There may be other complications (state machine interactions between ECU's), time will tell. I do credit him for taking on such an audacious project!
There's nothing worse than people.
The internet would be so cool if it wasn't for "people" XD
You are a good friend to Tavarish, and a decent guy! Thanks for coming to his defense!
I rode in one once and it was amazing, but then the owner told me the battery replacement would cost $200000 and we had issues on that drive getting it to regen power the 6 mile range worked out to 1.2 miles. Then after that the battery charger failed which was a $40000 expense through Mclaren. I get people want to see this car repaired as a hybrid but this video really makes the point that that wouldn't be in any way feasible.
I think the issue is (at least in my opinion)… he did not need to spend the money he spent on P1 if he is not using any of the P1 stuff. He could have saved himself hundreds of thousands of dollars, and done this build with a regular McLaren perhaps one with a title as this one still has a COD.
Who cares, his money, cooler to see a P1 get built than every other TH-camr special McLaren.
It's no longer a P1. P1 chassis. That's it. Non P1 engine, modified with aftermarket parts, aftermarket body shell, custom interior... etc etc. Most of that car will be non-oem.
It's like telling an artist to paint a canvas white, because it was originally white..
I watch you creators, because you're artists, I want to see your ideas and personality shine through on your builds, and I look forward to seeing how these NEW ideas perform in the end. Keep up the great work ! 🙏💪👍🤩
Nailed it, if anything it'd be fun to use the IPAS button as a temporary overboost function. Add like 80HP for 15 seconds or something so it still "works" similar to before
8:04 you said what had to be said, everyone always has an opinion but they are not the ones spending the money or building the car…. Not to mention they would never attempt to take on such a build on themselves smh…. People need to just enjoy the show like the rest of us and stop being so opinionated about how people builds their cars!!!
That's what I'm saying! I don't get why people get so heated up by this.
Absolutely excellent education for the know-it-alls out there. Very well thought out and concise explanation here. I always enjoy when Rich takes the know-it-alls and puts them over his knee and gives them their spanking. 👍👍
Removing the hybrid system was the best move Freddie made with this build. I dont give a damn what the hive mind thinks. Good on Rich for keeping it 100% factual!
I'm in the camp that's not happy about ditching the hybrid system and here is why.
A big reason I watch these videos is an interest in the challenges and problem solving from the DIY perspective. As a home mechanic, I lack the resources and support available to big car manufacturers. So Freddy needing to solve the monumental complexity of the P1 hybrid drive without that support is the appeal to me.
So yeah, Freddy taking the easy way out to get this McLaren on the road is hugely disappointing. Removing the hybrid drive from P1 doesn't make it unique, it makes it bastardized...
While your line of thought of keeping things original has its merits, in this case it doesn't make sense to keep the hybrid system for a number of reasons:
1. Like Rich explained, it's old and obsolete tech, so parts are no longer available.
2. Water ingression has pretty much destroyed the entire hybrid system, so without new parts, it CAN'T be rebuilt.
3. Removing the whole system reduced the weight so much, that the weight reduction more than compensates for the loss of that 170 HP boost
For Freddy it makes much more sense to remove the hybrid system instead of rebuilding it, as the costs of that rebuild would be enormous (battery pack, electric motor, converter, controller and wiring) and realistically speaking simply not worth it.
@@tjroelsma so with new parts it CAN be rebuilt and it could be ‘rebuilt better if he wrenched every day’ using different more modern hybrid components! The bottom line is it’s a bridge too far for him and the $600,000 plus rebuild costs won’t be realised in the value of the ‘bastardised’ result. Fortunately the YT money will save Freddy and loveable as he is he’ll be forgiven! It’s still disappointing for many as logical as Rich’s analysis is.
@@markbennett6658 Theoretically it can be rebuilt, only McLaren has NO new parts for it, as the technology is obsolete. So the first hurdle (getting new parts) is pretty much also the last (there are no new parts).
Ripping out the whole original hybrid system and replacing it with a custom-made new system is very expensive and it defeats the point of "keeping it original"
That McLaren was junk when Freddy bought it and in my opinion it was way, way too expensive, as in the most literal sense of the word it was a total loss. EVERYTHING in and on that P1 has severe water damage and even if Freddy spends $1 million on rebuilding it completely to spec, it will never regain much value. So his plan to use this wrecked P1 as a base to build a custom-made McLaren is the only logical solution. He also wants to make it faster and as Rich explained even McLaren techs see the hybrid system of the P1 as a gimmick, so why spend a fortune trying to recreate a gimmick that only seems to be there for bragging rights?
Saying it out loud! Good for you! Love both you and Freddie! That P1 will be a rocket when he's done.
Doesn't Tavarish have his own channel? If I wanted to watch Tavarish, i'd watch Tavarish.
Legend! Great explanation. $150k for a battery at the end of the day no one would do based on a cost benefit analysis of things.
I agree. It's not going to be able to be made stock any more. Getting replacement parts is neigh impossible.
So, Freddie is going down the right path. It's going to be unique. It was a P1, it may still carry the badge, but it's not what it was... it's better actually. Good call on his part. Glad he went with Rich's recommendation.
He actually named it the P1 Evo.
I remember watching a carwow video about an exotic car dealer. Guy in the video said about La Ferrari "most of our cars have 0km on them and had their batteries replaced; a replacement costs $300k and Ferrari find it difficult to find replacements
". I'm no expert, but I'd assume it's a similar story with P1 and 918, so yeah...
Kinda disappointing to see it not being rebuilt to "factory spec", but in the same time, why would he want the hassle of an old, non mass produced hybrid?
You're a good guy, Rich. Much respect.
I voted to keep the hybrid drive system but, I also understand why he did it for both cost and performance factor standpoint. I was also somewhat under the belief that an upgraded cell could produce better performance and questioned how you could potentially code the system away. The biggest thing that came to mind, was weight distribution upon removal but, that kinda goes out the window when you throw a 1300hp motor in it as all the prior driving characteristics goes out the window. Edit: I also wasn't one of those dudes who were saying that his p1 is basically a 720 without the hybrid system; thats just assine.
If he really wanted a fast car he would ditch everything McLaren and put a twin turbo ls and auto trans in it like cleetus McFarland dose and have a actually insane fast car with just a cool body. Building a 1300hp McLaren is like juggling a hand grenade with the pin pulled..... Building a 4000hp ls is the easiest thing to do to actually go insane speeds quickly.
Bro he wanted to have top speed with this hybrid system he can't achieve that and hybrid does not add much power to the car. Plus he wanted to make a successor to F1 so by ditching the hybrid system he can do that
@@msheheryar9453 should just ls swap it with a SMX motor like cleetus and make 4000hp and just use the body then.
A stock p1 is faster than that modded P1 around Nurburgring for sure, why? Because the stock one can do a lap or more whitout overheating, faster is not top speed or quarter mile, in the USA you don´t understand that.@@msheheryar9453
@@johnsnow1355both of those things you Said are false. 4khp on an LS is EXTREMELY HARD. None of cleetus cars make 4k. Mullet is a hemi based big block hate to break the news to you. ALSO, 1200hp McClarens are very common. More common than an ls making 2k.
Considering how damaged the hybrid system was, it was beyond repair and too expensive to replace everything. The best decision is to remove the hybrid system.
It will definitely lose some weight and become more reliable.
We need more educational videos like this from other channels as well. Amazing content bro.
Well explained, I have always agreed with Travarish and the battery delete, but you articulated it perfectly. Leave the cool electric cars to you, lol.
Less weight doesn't affect your top speed. Only your acceleration and handling.
K20 swap let’s go 😂😂😂
Spooler motor… let’s go 😂
Makes 100% sense to me.People would feel differently if THEY had to do the work and fund the build. Great video! Look forward to watching both your builds!😎👍
There are those who prefer tech gimmicks, batteries, and over engineering... the same people that are upset about removing old burnt out hybrid junk & saving 400lbs.
Ditching the Duracells is 100% the right move, and I called that on his video as soon as it hit. Its outdated anyways and will only lead to more problems in the future for ALL P1 owners.