My favorite Reddit comment was on a post asking about best plot twists and one user talked about a book with a bad plot twist. It was a run-of-the-mill science-fiction alien invasion story where, in the end, one character wipes out all of the aliens single-handedly because he is revealed to be (with zero foreshadowing) Dracula...
LOOOL and I love a lot of spy movies and stuff, but sometimes they just don’t gotta be so complex 😆 or it’s okay to go complex cause that’s what the watcher / reader is expecting.
Mistake number 3 basically contradicts what you said about Luke in The Last Jedi. One could argue that on a surface level, it serves as an shocking and intriguing move, however the story goes on to lack compelling and consistent reasons for why the character would act that way. They tried, but there's a reason even Mark Hamill himself dubbed this character "Jake Skywalker", in reference to how he too has a hard time thinking of them as the same character we saw in the original trilogy.
I think that Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder is a good example of a plot twist that surprises people, but that at the same time it’s an example of a plot twist for the sake of having a plot twist. TLJ shows someone applying plot twists to a story, as well as making many mistakes in their execution. Imo, at least. I agree with you that it’s on the surface a good twist, but that it lacks a reason. That was sort of what I was trying to say, but maybe I didn’t communicate that especially well. I appreciate you pointing it out!
@@WritingWithAsh It's because you were kinda saying ~"we can learn a lot from TLJ about doing plot twists", to which I was like, aren't you about to showcase how we really shouldn't? But it never really came xD
@@magnushmann Heh. That's the problem with outlining a video but not scripting it 😅 I may not have specifically said The Last Jedi, but when I'm talking about a lot of the mistakes, I'm drawing from having watched TLJ.
Hot take: The bigger / crazier the plot twist, the more I enjoy it the 2nd time because you get to piece together everything you missed, **BUT** ruins the story the more times i go back to it after that. There are books and movies that I absolutely loved but I will not go back to, because I've read/watched them three times and the 3rd time sucked already knowing the plot twist. At this point if a plot twist is too big, I get disappointed preemptively.
Ooo that actually makes sense! I tend to enjoy looking back on plot twists and mysteries, it’s always cool when you can see the foreshadowing in hindsight. I love sprinkling it in for my own readers to hopefully someday spot on the second time through 👏
@@WritingWithAsh At this point my favorite / comfort stories that I return to over and over again are ones that... 1. Have small plot twists that basically don't matter. To the point I've completely forgotten that they were originally a twist at all, and accidentally spoil when talking to other people. 2. Starting a scene with a Super predictable Cliché Twist: (The guy who is obviously the secret villain is the secret villain? No way!) Or (Character who "Died" is obviously not dead, then comes back to life!) But then what I care about is the main character's emotional reaction to the twist.
@@spencernaugle Ohh that's a good point. It's not about the complexity of the twist a lot of times so much as how much we care about the character's reaction to it. I'm a character driven writer and reader myself, so I can totally get that.
My favorite Reddit comment was on a post asking about best plot twists and one user talked about a book with a bad plot twist. It was a run-of-the-mill science-fiction alien invasion story where, in the end, one character wipes out all of the aliens single-handedly because he is revealed to be (with zero foreshadowing) Dracula...
Wait 🤣 I had no idea that even existed 😂
"Overcomplicating the twist"
Every recent spy movie feels personally attacked by this.
LOOOL and I love a lot of spy movies and stuff, but sometimes they just don’t gotta be so complex 😆 or it’s okay to go complex cause that’s what the watcher / reader is expecting.
Mistake number 3 basically contradicts what you said about Luke in The Last Jedi.
One could argue that on a surface level, it serves as an shocking and intriguing move, however the story goes on to lack compelling and consistent reasons for why the character would act that way. They tried, but there's a reason even Mark Hamill himself dubbed this character "Jake Skywalker", in reference to how he too has a hard time thinking of them as the same character we saw in the original trilogy.
I think that Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder is a good example of a plot twist that surprises people, but that at the same time it’s an example of a plot twist for the sake of having a plot twist.
TLJ shows someone applying plot twists to a story, as well as making many mistakes in their execution. Imo, at least.
I agree with you that it’s on the surface a good twist, but that it lacks a reason. That was sort of what I was trying to say, but maybe I didn’t communicate that especially well. I appreciate you pointing it out!
@@WritingWithAsh It's because you were kinda saying ~"we can learn a lot from TLJ about doing plot twists", to which I was like, aren't you about to showcase how we really shouldn't? But it never really came xD
@@magnushmann Heh. That's the problem with outlining a video but not scripting it 😅
I may not have specifically said The Last Jedi, but when I'm talking about a lot of the mistakes, I'm drawing from having watched TLJ.
@@WritingWithAsh Haha, I see
Hot take: The bigger / crazier the plot twist, the more I enjoy it the 2nd time because you get to piece together everything you missed, **BUT** ruins the story the more times i go back to it after that.
There are books and movies that I absolutely loved but I will not go back to, because I've read/watched them three times and the 3rd time sucked already knowing the plot twist.
At this point if a plot twist is too big, I get disappointed preemptively.
Ooo that actually makes sense! I tend to enjoy looking back on plot twists and mysteries, it’s always cool when you can see the foreshadowing in hindsight. I love sprinkling it in for my own readers to hopefully someday spot on the second time through 👏
@@WritingWithAsh At this point my favorite / comfort stories that I return to over and over again are ones that...
1. Have small plot twists that basically don't matter. To the point I've completely forgotten that they were originally a twist at all, and accidentally spoil when talking to other people.
2. Starting a scene with a Super predictable Cliché Twist:
(The guy who is obviously the secret villain is the secret villain? No way!) Or (Character who "Died" is obviously not dead, then comes back to life!)
But then what I care about is the main character's emotional reaction to the twist.
@@spencernaugle Ohh that's a good point. It's not about the complexity of the twist a lot of times so much as how much we care about the character's reaction to it.
I'm a character driven writer and reader myself, so I can totally get that.