Creating A Life Of Meaning & Wisdom - John Vervaeke | Modern Wisdom Podcast 294
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- John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor at the University Of Toronto.
There is a meaning crisis upon us. People are revisiting Stoicism and Buddhism and mindfulness and psychedelics in an attempt to understand themselves and connect with the world around them. John joins me today to try and give us a route out of this trench and explain Awakening From The Meaning Crisis.
Expect to learn the different types of learning, how John would construct a person who is ready to become wise and find meaning, the daily practises that John uses to continue to grow every day, what the relation is between being too cerebral and lacking wisdom and much more...
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12 min in ... Iove this guy ... He speaks words i try to teach my friends 😘
Wisdom in one situation may be folly in another
Just so you know, your podcast showing you asking questions of personal value clearly showing attempts to better yourself as a work in progress are really value able. Thank you.
Great to see Vervaeke get more love.
agreed!
John Vervaeke has got to be one of the most interesting and insightful human beings of our era, brilliant
Slight correction. I am an Associate Professor. Thanks Chris!
My bad! Will amend! Thanks for coming on John 👊
@@ChrisWillx Thanks! It was my pleasure.
@@johnvervaeke really enjoyed this talk, guys! I'm sure i'm not alone when I say I'd love to see you reconnect with Jordan Peterson for a discussion, always loved hearing you guys chat back in the day!
Cheers, have a great day!
I’ve been wondering why John is an assistant professor? It must be John’s choice. The guy is one of the most incredible thinkers of our time. Thanks Chris and John. Loved this chat. I’d love to chat to both of you at some stage on my podcast!! One day
I had John as a professor as an undergraduate student back in 2013 (ish) in a course called Higher Cognitive Processes. This course was about wisdom. I'm now a PhD student who studies visual cognition and action. I have John's paper on relevance realization pinned right beside my office desk.
The man is a gift to this world.
Can I get your email or instagram for a picture of it?
@@josephfaurie3503 I didn't take pictures, I took notes.
That is such a fun story. Maybe he will see this comment and smile knowing he made a difference in your life ❤
One of my favorite TH-camrs used to say: "If you're not growing, you're dying." I've been living by that ever since.
Did they grow tired of saying it?
@@Caliberx427 I don't know. That was probably 5-6 years ago. Can't say I've gotten tired of it.
who was it?
@@gratiangrey2578 who was it?
Bob Dylan
Yes! Please have John on again, Chris! He is a guest we all truly need, but someone most of us did not know of or see the value in.
Love the work Mate! Keep it up!
John Vervaeke is a diamond in the rough.
can't thank you enough for having Vervaeke on. great conversation between you guys ! i am very grateful
This channel wears me down. I watch an episode and then think about it all day.
It is so valuable to me to be able to say "oh, that's how this all works. I see what's going on here, the constitutive restrictions on my ability to integrate with my reality, and I can now work better with them, and improve on their restrictive qualities."
John is such a knowledgable, wise, charismatic and relatable person! I always learn something (a few things!!) from him.
Excellent conversation!
Please invite Joscha Bach on your podcast. I love hearing from cognitive scientists. They seem to know something we don't. It's an honor listening to this. Thank you for putting these out.
This guy is awesome
very true!
We are not evolving for perfection, we are evolving for the average to be ever so slightly improved. This is why we must all share everything above and below average with each other…the process of a successful immune system staying current. We are hard wired to cull out and minimize the numbers of outliers, to minimize their impact genetically on the whole of our species.
Great interview with a superbly intelligent professor/philosopher. I discovered VERVAEKE through an article in one of Europe’s top papers De Tijd published in Flanders, Belgium. I’m kind of proud that Vervaeke has Flemish roots, and made it such prominent status among contemporary philosophers. I’m a more conscious and better person after listening to this podcast and plan to listen to all of Vervaeke’s lectures on the history of philosophy… Many thanks for the brilliant insights.
This was great, thank you so much for the introduction! I will be bingewatching the hell out of his video's
Wow, what a treasure brother. You ask such insightful questions to a man worthy of the moniker - sage. Thank you for sharing and creating this content.
I’m an idiot who knows nothing about how to conduct interviews, but for me this was a masterclass Chris. I’m not even 35 minutes in, and there’s been multiple occasions where John is tapering off his talking, and I would guess is probably thinking this is where you take over the conversation, but you sit there, and don’t take control of the conversation, and allow John to think if he has more to say, and then he picks up the conversation again and carries on. Truly brilliant, you’re making this all about him and his ideas and not about you. Fucking remarkable!! 🤌
So much love for John Vervaeke!
Bring him back!
Need another episode with John, it's been far too long, Chris!
More episodes like this 🙏🙏
Love how your content is evolving and you’re braving more in-depth conversations. Your vulnerability is one of your strengths Chris.
Verveake always finds a way to blow my mind within an hour talk. I like that he still applies the source code under religiosity/group-think in explaining how we interpret things affecting us today.
Completely agree with the other forms of knowing when engaging in martial arts or movement practices. Was involved deeply in TaeKwon-Do for about 18 years; teaching, practicing, fighting, and found myself with the hunger of returning to this. There is something profoundly rewarding about engaging in the procedural, perspectival, participatory, and ultimately the elusive flow state. I can definitely attribute much success in other aspects of my life from being able to exapt these ways of knowing to varying pursuits. However, training by myself for the last few years has seemed unable to provide aspects of these other knowings, compared to participating in a cohesive group.
Thank you for hosting and participating in such a great interview, love both of your channels!
Really great job guys!! Thank you both.
Thank you!
Any chance of an interview between Chris and the neighbour he's never met? Could be really interesting.
"Why are you video-calling me"
Carl Jung Quotes
The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.
Please bring him again !
Such perfect “packing” listening... as I say goodbye to the old environment and items that I used to surround myself with and proceed to find meaning in a new and evolving existence.
this should have way more views....but I guess that just goes to prove some of the points made in this conversation
Mind: ROCKED
God Bless John Vervaeke!
I love how this overlays nicely with the Buddhist (and Heraclitian? Taoist?) idea(s) of Impermanence.
What a delightful conversation! I found the discussion about the loneliness profoundly helpful. And thinking about friends in such a sublime way. I learned a good thing about my tendency toward self-deception that is giving me a sense of peace and renewed hope. Thank you and Dr. Vervaeke.
Man you provoke/ tease out the best out of the best. Thanks Chris
Thanks so much for introducing me to John Vervaeke. I suggest music, the communication and practice of music can be somewhat like tai chi. Mind-body, and communication between humans, whether dialog or in a bigger group. I enjoy that the communication is beyond words. Many beautiful concepts today in your conversation. Thanks for your channel.
A good interview, he seems a very together guy and I liked the questions you put to him.
This argument of the attainment of or moving toward the ideal of perfection is the perennial argument with my husband.
John's lecture on Hegel was really insightful.
You can clearly see a solution to meaning crisis in the hyper-nationalism of Rus and Chyna, and the ultra-internationalism of "globalism" or "corporatism" or "wokism"
I had not previously connected the dots that the rise of Nazism, was a solution to a type of meaning crisis, a total solution, except missing a vital ingredient, namely humanity.
Hegel's solution was academic and political, hence turned states or super-states into hyper-cults. None of the above solutions is appealing, they are all arbitrary political power structures.
great interview with the great john vervaeke. loved it
Outstanding discussion.
I agree with you about the limitations on thinking Chris, I'm 62 and have only in the last few years begun to appreciate what you referred to as the sacred or, in my case, the role of religious experience and belief in psychology and meaning. I think it was always there, affecting my behaviour and thoughts, but I was ignoring or even denying it, with negative consequences in the form of crushing nihilism for example.
Always love this channel. This convo was a great example of why. I needed some of these lessons to navigate recent life changes. Thank you.
A captivatingly helpful discussion. Many thanks.
Thanks John and Chris.
Outstanding interview....the quality of your guests, discussion, and facilitation are excellent!
wonderful episode. How fucking great is the internet.
Before hearing this I was thinking in the shower this morning how we often come into an existential oasis of sorts. Sometimes the oasis is a respite, and relief, and sense of completion. But it never lasts. Because we also eventually realize in this same oasis we are stuck…and on and on this cycle repeats, churns, and trudges, uplifting, expanding, always constant
Hegel: Here is the final solution.
JV: Drop that
On the relationship between the inferential and the insightful thinking processes, Vervaeke mirrors the explanation which Iain McGilchrist provides. Iain goes further, not only saying that both types of thought are necessary and must be practised, but also explaining the relationship that the two processes should have to one another. Can recommend looking into this
Are you aware of the rebel wisdom session with John and Iain? th-cam.com/video/JdB-BMdgFbk/w-d-xo.html sounds like it may be of interest to you, though I suspect the TH-cam algorithm has recommended this to you before me!
@@Timboooo Thanks for the suggestion! It had somehow gotten lost in my expansive 'Watch Later' list.
Please have Paul VanderKlay and Jonathan Pageau on the show. Thanks.
Dude's hand gestures are so crazy lol. He's just being a great communicator though. He has a strong grasp of language, so his ideas are very precisely explained.
John: “how do I say this without sounding conspiratorial”. Culture at the macro is a social manifestation of biology, it is a sort of”law” of nature like gravity. At the level of specifics like social media algorithms, like monetary system, like theater democracy, like profit is the supreme principle, these micro plans of culture are indeed the product of some people getting together and acting on their self interest or some preverse “common good”. Small groups of powerful people getting together and making plans (most of them out in the open) is by defition conspiracy. John needs to stay in the fold to drive his influence, I respect that.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Prov 9:10 Also Proverbs 1:7.
Life may not come with your typical style operating manual but our choices are instead demonstrated by the live 3d examples in nature.
The "way" is about change, Obe Wan. Good talk.
Distract and select is the essence of the hunter.
This is brilliant, how did I miss this?
I feel like Vervaeke doesn't get as much love and attention because he's a little bit hard to follow, especially when english isn't your first language and if you're uneducated like I am. I feel like I only understand a fraction of what he says but the first time I heard him, I was blown away nonetheless.
Red pills for breakfast, lunch and dinner! Class conversation 👍
🙏🙏🙏
Ppl are getting suck into "conspirituality"
That right.
"Be aware of how aware you are" - Kain Ramsey
excellent chat. cant believe you got that huge 50k boost in subs. well on your way to 1 million :D
#stealtheculture !!
Vervaeke: There is no final solution to evolution
Shark: What's for lunch
Hahaha
i wanna read this book :')
Just watched the clip. The point about friends being left behind as you grow is deeply troubling and effectively explains the deep malaise of modern culture. It is very easy to find buddies. Join an internet discussion group. Easy, done. You will get some basic interaction with some of them. But let’s get real - really good friends are extremely hard to develop, and realistically, people must GROW TOGETHER as they walk through life. The acceptance that we terminate our relationships as we change is a major problem because the same mechanism in divorce is unbelievably costly.
People need to commit to each other because the group of people who you have substantial rapport with it extremely hard to find, and you will need these people to help you up when life goes bad. Deaths and cancer and bankruptcy happens. You can’t go finding relationships during that time. You need to lean on the ones you already have.
The betrayal felt when your friends are not there when you really need them is so bad that you really can’t allow this to be part of the narrative of our culture. Wives are not fuck buddies you hang out with until you find another better one, and friends aren’t people you hang with until you leave the job.
But, that is the reason many people draw away from friendships. When things were going bad, Friends were nowhere to be found. Their incriment bouts of care were not sufficient enough. Many friendships draw to an end because of pain/hardship/grief. Many human beings are incapable of giving that kind of attention to a friend. They maybe capable in romantic or family relationships. But in friendships it is rather rare.
@@munix9351 very very very much disagree. You are mixing up the starting line for a spouse and a friend. Friends will be there and won’t abandon. You are talking about acquaintances...
Friendship takes a long time to develop and that’s not to be taken lightly. That’s my point. Human contact is not about presence, but depth 💡
its a Map how to focus and think and i`m allover the place :)
“The three cardinal values of the Objectivist ethics-the three values which, together, are the means to and the realization of one’s ultimate value, one’s own life-are: Reason, Purpose, Self-Esteem, with their three corresponding virtues: Rationality, Productiveness, Pride.
Productive work is the central purpose of a rational man’s life, the central value that integrates and determines the hierarchy of all his other values. Reason is the source, the precondition of his productive work-pride is the result.” -Ayn Rand
Please have #YaronBrookShow on to chat! This is the perfect topic for him to elaborate on and discuss deeply.
If only Rand had lived up to her values. And yes, I knew Mary Ann (née Rukavina) Sures, RIP, personally (when she had her art gallery in silver spring and where she last lived in Gaithersburg), as well as Ed Locke (was a professor of mine at Univ of MD). But preferred David Kelley’s take on Objectivism vs. Piekoff’s. So yeah, not a big fan of ARI.
@@tomjeff1743 I respectfully disagree with all of that but I do hope for resolution someday.
Bloody hell,I didn’t have loads of friends to begin with but now I realise they were buddies lol when I lost my mam I realised,well I already knew,that she was my best friend.My dogs are my real friends I suppose.I sometimes get lost in the podcast,I don’t think I’m intelligent enough give good feedback so I’ll leave this here 🙂
Pease and joy is what life is all about. (Living above sercomstanc). Which is the fruit of behing in right standing with our Creator (Righteousness) Stop chastising your self.
Ok man cool
I think these talks are great! But do we really need to understand things so intensely? Is this depth of understanding helping us in the long run? or is it just making goals seem unreachable like a dangling carrot that we can never reach. I am of the mindset we are taking ourselves to seriously, sometimes what makes sense is the absurdity.
is that a futon JV?
The car ad stole so much from buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd without crediting them.
Infinite = you'll never run out of new
Godel's Theorem = there is always new math
Sinful nature of man yearning to be re united with it's creator, who is actively wanting to re unite with His creation, spirit to spirit!
His opening statement "There is no final solution" is all the information one needs to recognize that John in fact is NOT wise or know truth
If there is no conclusion, no final answer to the seeking and all of this blah blah blah, then what is the purpose of it all?
The purpose of a discourse that has no conclusion, is the functioning of "I think therefore I am". John knows he exists while he is thinking. The reason why his ego will not allow for conclusion is because John doesn't know what he is while he is not thinking. I guarantee you that John cannot stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time
Systems of thought are mechanisms through which thought is produced. There is no other purpose. Until one has realized true Self the ego will experience thought free Awareness as non-existence. This is exactly why you, John, and pretty much all of humanity is helplessly addicted to thought and all that thought has created
Everything projected onto the 2D realm (screens and pages) is created by thought. Humans helpless addiction to the screen serves to wind up the mind even faster to crank out more thought
The expansion of a system of thought is an expression of it's INCORRECTNESS. How is it that people think that the more complex and convoluted a system of thought is, the closer it is to truth? An objective perspective reveals the opposite
I SEE all of this clearly. Indeed my very life is testament to what I am relating
I have sent John a theory that explains ALL, but so far, no response. When it comes down to it, John is the opposite of wise. He is deeply deluded. Over 100 hours of blah blah blah about Truth and Reality and he think this is getting him CLOSER TO TRUTH!?!
JOHN, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEBATE. You are leading people down the path of delusion, not truth. I gotta call you out. If you do not respond, you are a COWARD
Are you irish
I'm always overly cautious around someone who talks with their hands so much..call it a hunch. Or maybe I'm just a tad crazy
This guy is a poor scrub trying to make some cash from JP's end-trails.
Ive got some bad news for you, your life has no meaning, everything you ever do will have no meaning or consequence, your search for meaning is inconsequential, we live we die and that's all there is, stop looking for those meaningless patterns or ideas that will give your life meaning. They dont exist, Sorry to break the bad news
OMG you've just disrupted my whole world with these super deep thoughts. So true.
You sir, are truly enlightened, thank you for bestowing us deluded dolts such wisdom
@Lyall Moore I think you misunderstand your life has no meaning, everything you will ever do has no meaning, that doesn't mean you cannot live a good life, a life that has genuine consequences for people. Leading a good fruitful life is very different from life having a meaning. We live we die and return to the stardust of whence we came
@@gerardthomas9847 Life is what you make it. Sorry yours will have no meaning.
lol wow ur so d33p
@@squirrelyshirley7629 Wow im glad I have pressed the right buttons on your meaningless lives hahahaha
OMG amazing
Cute animal, babies and small children videos provide a measure of respite from what can be a mad, intense world. Their innocence and purity have a calming effect on me. But, you know, I watch stuff like this too, so I’m not a total flake
Where are these new people? I keep meeting people I don't connect with and only like minded ones are scattered online. I want and prefer in person ones and just haven't found meaningful ones. Started social groups and those didn't work due to people starting drama. 🎭 so hard out there
"No political solution". Absolutely. Only cultural, structural, and technological solutions.
wow i could listen to him free associate for hours