I think Kalix 2.0 has 2 good things to mention: It has pockets for D3O chest Protection Ventilation on a laminated jacket its Mich More efficient than on a dropliner jacket beacuse you get air direct to your body.
Chris’s videos are great. And it’s worth mentioning Halvarssons Wien and Wish are significantly more protective (AA rated) than Rukka’s Comfo-R. Unfortunately, the Comfo-R doesn’t isn’t up to the AA protection standard - undoubtedly because Rukka only used a Cordura 500 layer in the high-risk areas. While Rukka has a longer warranty, Halvarssons is significantly better in a crash. You pays your money and takes your clothing choice 🙂
That’s not what I said. I do not consider the Wien to be more protective. In fact with the larger armour and included back protector, my view is that the Rukka is more than a match for the Halvarssons. And, of course, with it’s superior membrane it’s going to be more waterproof and breathable. As I said, if box ticking is your thing, fine; but don’t go assuming the Halvarssons is more protective. CP
@@Motolegends One person’s box-ticking is another person’s independent testing. Rukka's disappointing approach to independent testing is gradually chipping away - little by little - Rukka’s image. Whereas most of Rukka’s competitors (many of which Motolegends sells) have textiles with at least an AA rating, plus the same Gore-Tex used in Rukka. You wouldn’t call it “box-ticking” if, like me, you had been a first-aider to a rider whose Nivala has shredded in a 30 mph crash. Protection-wise, I agree with you that the Comfo-R benefits from Rukka XTR armour, which has exceptional coverage. (Incidentally, XTR protectors are among the comfiest armour I’ve ever worn.) However, there remains a considerable risk with Rukka’s choice of such a low dernier Cordura (and only a single later at that!) I witnessed that a single layer of even Armacor wasn’t adequate protection in a low-speed slide. I also agree with you regarding Rukka’s waterproofing. But it should also offer decent protection. The Comfo-R only has a single layer of Cordura 500D in the high-risk areas, which isn’t good enough for anything but the smallest of crashes.
@@The-Splat To be fair it's clear that this jacket, and even Rukka's other jackets double the price (I think they have one that is AA but super expensive) are only rated A for abrasion. That means they're telling us directly they're only rated for low speed slides below 20ish mph. Abrasion resistance isn't everything, you can get jackets that are sub £200 which are AA rated for abrasion, it's up to each individual to look at the jacket specifications and decide for themselves based on what they're looking for.
@@ajk6656 Rukka can produce AA rated garments when it uses better materials in the areas at high abrasion risk (elbows, shoulders, etc.). For example, Rukka’s Pathfind-R has 1500D Cordura shoulders and elbows, and the jacket achieves an AA rating.
I must admit these are more my style as they dark /black coloured ,more likely to hide the oil & road muck .,not overly expensive for a noted name & guarantee of 6 years. The only criticism would be a longer less bum starver style of jacket ,with good size mole grip & spanner ready holding pockets .would be even better . At least this suit doesn’t make the rider look poncified like them light coloured fashion BMW rider type fashion suits you normally flog . Also like the choice of inside leg sizes ,as some of these other manufacturers pants ,are designed to fit skinny / lanky butt less riders & the knee armour ends up down by your shins . If your paying the same price as a good used Suzuki Bandit ,you at least want the stuff to look ,fit & feel right . Good review 👍
@@torqueofthedevil8145 Then you guessed wrong ,it’s just a less daft TH-cam name than yours . If I did wear a mask it could be one like the Lone rangers or even Zorro’s for all I care ,or an obvious muppet like you could even try & guess .
Thanks for the review but you didn’t seem to show the actual drop liner that seems to be the USP of this Rukka model. How does it fit to the external suit, is it a destination liner, is it stretchy and can it be worn on the outside (like the Held Carese Evo for example) or is it inside only?
You are confused. A drop-liner membrane cannot be seen. It is sewn into the jacket, and so is invisible to the eye. You are thinking about a removable liner. That’s totally different. I will be doing a video about membranes soon. That might help you understand. CP
@@Motolegends you are right. Brill thanks, I always thought of drop liners as something separate you put on or off depending on the conditions not part of the main garment.
Other than the differences with laminate vs drop-liner that you talked about, how would you compare it to the Rukka Kalix 2.0? They're priced pretty similar and I was looking at buying the Kalix soon before I saw this
If, like me, you have heard about the difference between laminated jackets and those with drop liners (several times) , you caN skip straight to 05:20
I think Kalix 2.0 has 2 good things to mention:
It has pockets for D3O chest Protection
Ventilation on a laminated jacket its Mich More efficient than on a dropliner jacket beacuse you get air direct to your body.
great Video! perfect explaination of the different technologies. Now i know that i don’t need a laminated jacket. Many thanks
Chris’s videos are great. And it’s worth mentioning Halvarssons Wien and Wish are significantly more protective (AA rated) than Rukka’s Comfo-R. Unfortunately, the Comfo-R doesn’t isn’t up to the AA protection standard - undoubtedly because Rukka only used a Cordura 500 layer in the high-risk areas. While Rukka has a longer warranty, Halvarssons is significantly better in a crash.
You pays your money and takes your clothing choice 🙂
That’s not what I said. I do not consider the Wien to be more protective. In fact with the larger armour and included back protector, my view is that the Rukka is more than a match for the Halvarssons. And, of course, with it’s superior membrane it’s going to be more waterproof and breathable. As I said, if box ticking is your thing, fine; but don’t go assuming the Halvarssons is more protective. CP
@@Motolegends One person’s box-ticking is another person’s independent testing. Rukka's disappointing approach to independent testing is gradually chipping away - little by little - Rukka’s image. Whereas most of Rukka’s competitors (many of which Motolegends sells) have textiles with at least an AA rating, plus the same Gore-Tex used in Rukka. You wouldn’t call it “box-ticking” if, like me, you had been a first-aider to a rider whose Nivala has shredded in a 30 mph crash.
Protection-wise, I agree with you that the Comfo-R benefits from Rukka XTR armour, which has exceptional coverage. (Incidentally, XTR protectors are among the comfiest armour I’ve ever worn.) However, there remains a considerable risk with Rukka’s choice of such a low dernier Cordura (and only a single later at that!) I witnessed that a single layer of even Armacor wasn’t adequate protection in a low-speed slide.
I also agree with you regarding Rukka’s waterproofing. But it should also offer decent protection. The Comfo-R only has a single layer of Cordura 500D in the high-risk areas, which isn’t good enough for anything but the smallest of crashes.
@@The-Splat To be fair it's clear that this jacket, and even Rukka's other jackets double the price (I think they have one that is AA but super expensive) are only rated A for abrasion. That means they're telling us directly they're only rated for low speed slides below 20ish mph.
Abrasion resistance isn't everything, you can get jackets that are sub £200 which are AA rated for abrasion, it's up to each individual to look at the jacket specifications and decide for themselves based on what they're looking for.
@@ajk6656 Rukka can produce AA rated garments when it uses better materials in the areas at high abrasion risk (elbows, shoulders, etc.). For example, Rukka’s Pathfind-R has 1500D Cordura shoulders and elbows, and the jacket achieves an AA rating.
@@The-Splat Well,thx for this explenation!Now,with that I can work!
If you live in Scotland ( i do ) it rains every day !
Another great video, I question the high collar, does this restrict or interfere movement of the head when the helmet is warn?
I must admit these are more my style as they dark /black coloured ,more likely to hide the oil & road muck .,not overly expensive for a noted name & guarantee of 6 years. The only criticism would be a longer less bum starver style of jacket ,with good size mole grip & spanner ready holding pockets .would be even better . At least this suit doesn’t make the rider look poncified like them light coloured fashion BMW rider type fashion suits you normally flog . Also like the choice of inside leg sizes ,as some of these other manufacturers pants ,are designed to fit skinny / lanky butt less riders & the knee armour ends up down by your shins . If your paying the same price as a good used Suzuki Bandit ,you at least want the stuff to look ,fit & feel right . Good review 👍
I’m guessing it’s a Gimp mask you wear?
@@torqueofthedevil8145 Then you guessed wrong ,it’s just a less daft TH-cam name than yours . If I did wear a mask it could be one like the Lone rangers or even Zorro’s for all I care ,or an obvious muppet like you could even try & guess .
What’s the difference between the comfyR and the pathfind R as the pathfind has 1500D on elbows and shoulders and is £100 cheaper
Pathfinder 2 is not laminated, it has a drop liners. But it is AA rated where comfy R and Kalix 2 is only A.
Thanks for the review but you didn’t seem to show the actual drop liner that seems to be the USP of this Rukka model.
How does it fit to the external suit, is it a destination liner, is it stretchy and can it be worn on the outside (like the Held Carese Evo for example) or is it inside only?
You are confused. A drop-liner membrane cannot be seen. It is sewn into the jacket, and so is invisible to the eye. You are thinking about a removable liner. That’s totally different. I will be doing a video about membranes soon. That might help you understand. CP
@@Motolegends you are right. Brill thanks, I always thought of drop liners as something separate you put on or off depending on the conditions not part of the main garment.
Other than the differences with laminate vs drop-liner that you talked about, how would you compare it to the Rukka Kalix 2.0? They're priced pretty similar and I was looking at buying the Kalix soon before I saw this
Just by the virtue of being a drop liner jacket it's probably warmer and more comfortable than the Kalix in the dry.
Watch the video. We make that comparison.
I think Halvarssons more better for UK riders
Nothing special... 1. No chest protector 2. No ventilation on chest area 3. Only lvl 1 back prorector as standard 4. Only cordura 500D