Social Forces Increasingly Shaping the Western Churches Instead of Theology, Orthodoxy is Next
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We came for Jordan Peterson and stayed for these titles and thumbnails.
It’s been a good 7 years
This was my comment on Fr Damick’s channel to this video.
I have been tracking this for over 15 years in the Protestant world and I have been in Orthodoxy for 4 1/2 years now. The Mdiv cost vs expected pay applies everywhere. I was part of an apprenticeship seminary program that focused on studies + apprenticeship so you didn't have to go into so much debt to come out and make virtually nothing. Simply put the Archdioceses need to find a way to train priests for free through studies and apprenticeship. This is a grave problem and deserves that kind of response. It also is the way it should be.
4 years college plus 3 years MDiv. A good RCC priest has an equivalent of a PhD. Used to be, RCC clergy were on a sinecure and lived in a pastoral cottage next to the Church ... possibly with several nuns in their own cottage.
This is also a problem that is probably downstream from the “evangelicalism is a marketplace” problem. Because then church leadership is a career more than a vocation. This seeps into the mainline.
The Anglican Church I’m apart of has sent several men to seminary the past 10 years (almost 10, I think). All were sent by the parish/diocese specifically to return and serve at the parish/diocese. I don’t think any paid a cent for tuition, housing, etc.
@@Freerilian Living costs paid? Scholarships are beautiful, but are traps if they don't co er everything.
Is there a way to leverage the Internet and independent study, to reduce the number of professors needed for an MDiv?
It seems to me that just laying out a program of study, checking back in every so often (weekly, bi-weekly), and doing a Ignatian Retreat style 40-day vetting session (perhaps annually) to ensure orthodoxy and suitability, along with (maybe) some itinerant physical service to pay their own way.
Apparently LCMS has developed a Classical Studies degree program that costs only in the thousands of dollars (not counting room and board), but I'm not sure if they apply this model to MDiv or not.
@@jimluebke3869 It would be wise, with Internet and Zoom, and proper proctor ... to get all the academics done. Either way, in-church practicum as a junior clergy is also necessary. Book learning alone isn't sufficient. Physically attending a college for propositional education is pre-21st century, in every field.
The church of the past vs today:
Awe inspiring sacred spaces replaced by museums, public libraries, city halls, etc.
Monasteries replaced by universities.
Large liturgical gatherings full of group rituals replaced by sporting events and concerts.
Home church, bible studies and small groups replaced by book clubs and bourbon nights.
Pastoral care and confession replaced by therapy.
Care for the poor, elderly and infirm replaced by welfare programs and social security.
Monastic asceticism replaced by yoga and mindfulness retreats.
Prayer replaced by meditation.
Sermons replaced by TH-cam and podcasts.
But as you said once Paul, long ago in one of our first conversations, who’s going to bring you a casserole when you’re sick? I don’t think DoorDash has homemade casserole on the menu. And in the great tradition of “sitting shiva,” who will sit with you while you mourn a loved one?
Another thing you said in one of our early conversations, something like “the first thing you buy with an extra dollar of income is privacy.” Oh, to be rid of the annoyances, pettiness, unreasonable demands, etc, that other people bring into our lives. Turns out that affluence and options means we don’t have to deal with anyone we don’t want to, and of course they don’t have to deal with us either. A lesson many learn too late.
So the poor and mentally ill pitch a tent on our sidewalks and we build more retirement homes to house the elderly who are no longer useful to us.
Even though churches and seminaries are dying, it seems they can’t be completely replaced. This points to something new emerging, the current path is unsustainable.
Modernity is the opposite of progress ;-(
@@williambranch4283 -- The greatest hypocrisy of the age: the evangelists of modernism calling themselves "progressives". It's along the line of those who specialize in demolition calling themselves architects.
When I was a kid, our church had a Jesuit priest (not the pastor) whose homilies never went beyond 5 minutes. As a result, though, he had everyone’s undivided attention because you knew the set-up was short and you knew the takeaway was coming. There wasn’t a kid in church who left not knowing what the homily was about.
This is an absolute master class these last few videos on church movements, monocultures, uniformity and historical patterns of the church. Fantastic stuff Man!
Orthodox are one of the highest earning denominations behind only Episcopalians and PCA. Jews and Hindus out-earn all Christian groups.
At out Catholic Church: One Priest from Poland, another from Kenya & the lead Priest is from the Philippines.
Paul, I’m gratified to see you watching Fr Andrew Damick . Noting that I’m neither Protestant nor Orthodox, I love listening to both of you, and I think for similar reasons. I would love to see the two of you have a converzation! He’s a friend of Jonathan Pageau and Richard Rohlin, I’m sure they could set you up.
Funny you say the wife has to be onboard Paul. a presvytera has to actually sign an official document from the diocese in order for a priest to be ordained. Your wife has complete power to determine whether you can be an orthodox priest or not. The wife of an orthodox priest is almost a clerical position.
It also states that you as a Khouriea/Protessa/Matushka/Presbytera have to follow the Canons that apply to you as a Priestwife.
Those Canons also apply for the wives of Readers, Subdeacons and Deacons.
In my area, most orthodox churches are actually fairly big and are still mostly ethnic clubs, but those Greeks have a culture of competitive generosity to their churches similar to Jews. I think the clergy at the big suburban greek churches in Chicagoland probably do pretty well for themselves. But, I don't think those churches are going to hire protestant -> Jay Dyer/Lord of Spirits/Pageau -> Orthodox folks. They will use family and ethnic networks to make hiring decisions.
Paul got some Warhammer 40k Churches in his thumbnail today.
For the emperor!
The Emperor Protects!
So if the medium is the message, and the message contains salvific stuff, how often can digital platforms shaped by a Darwinian marketplace ruled by hungry corporate algorithms deliver? And beyond that question, how do churches that give themselves over to that medium end up getting formed by it?
Paul, Fr. Josiah Trenham is a native Southern Californian, though I also have tried to figure out why he says a few words with a slightly different pronunciation.
I went into Orthodoxy in part, though not entirely, through the Peterson Pageau pipeline. One of the ways I think it will shape Orthodoxy has to do with Peterson's "You believe what you do". There is a call to action there that doesn't seem to exist with the debate/apologetics route. It may be just anecdotal, but I suspect the argumentative route creates more 'orthobros', who speak it, but don't attend the Litergy. That said, I personally needed some of the debate as well. I was more of a theology nerd as well, so I needed a fair bit of convincing on some aspects before I moved forward.
The Orthodox Church has to play this right at this moment. This is a make or break moment for Orthodoxy in America.
11:05 the stick route of hell avoidance only goes so far per your last video
High church takes worship services seriously. For Summer we have a two-part service on Saturday starting with a traditional Prayer & Torah, followed after a short break with a contemporary Sermon & Singing, leaving no time for the family lunch that is key for the normal Sunday timing ;-) The sermon isn't too long, but if you are there from start to finish, it is a 3+ hr commitment. Celebrating a daytime Shavuot service yesterday, was also the occasion for the unveiling and first use of the antique Sefer Torah scroll the congregation has purchased.
41:30 holy smokes! The most recent graduating class of MDivs at my one seminary in one year alone was around 300. And that's in the SBC world, where churches & mission boards don't often expect pastors to hold MDivs
Asking "if you were to die tonight?" does assume the person you're talking to can understand hypotheticals.
The change from authors to influencers tracks with cable to streaming. Both seem to want more of an a la carte menu.
There is perhaps among many a lack of appreciation of the ministry which Christ and His Apostles and Evangelists effect through the Holy Scriptures, such that, whoever has the Bible has God speaking directly to him, with the Holy Spirit using this to cause increase in wisdom, understanding and holiness of life. There is no over dependence on the spiritual advice of an ordained minister or priest, and each Christian man in his own home, by faithfulness to God's words in Holy Scripture, exercises a God-given authority in his household. As apostasy increases in the historic churches, the Lord Jesus may preserve His Church mainly among the lowly faithful in their own homes. Those who think a full Byzantine liturgy with an array of clergy and acolytes in a fine building with beautiful paintings and trained choir are essential to being Christian may be more readily ensnared by the apostasy by which the inheritors of those traditional externals compromise on the witness to salvation in Christ alone, as they unite with religions which reject Christ. Religious syncretism, indifference to the question of salvation in Christ alone, is very evident in various churches today, and is reflected in many of the attitudes expressed in "TLC", especially in the "Grail Country" corner of the corner.
Good theology. But High Greco-Roman Church is much older than the Reformation. Heresy isn't new.
We just called it the OCA - Orthodox church of America. Mostly they were Russian Orthodox that wanted to not be associated with the problematic Russian Church due to communism or the idiosyncrasies of the Russian Church Abroad.
Yup. You could also call us "American Orthodox." 😊
41:00 somewhere around this time stamp. The bit about million dollar flooring yada yada. I was struck with the thought that American church body isint adaptive to eastern high church body expectations. It’s as if the Protestant antibodies protect against such type growth
I recently switched to a small country Orthodox mission. The parish is around the size of small house, but the chanting and services are still High Church Liturgical to the max, glory to God.
Just tried a few 'which denomination am I?' quizzes, they all asked stupid questions, based on church heirachy, whether I prefer the word Pastor, Priest, Parson, etc.
There are 7 mil people in the Greater Toronto Area. Toronto proper (3 mil ) only has a three CRC's the size of Living Stones. The Burlington/Hamilton cluster is where people have a chance of knowing the CRC.
These liberalizing movements, such as SSM, don't really start in the "culture". They often start in Unitarian Universalism. UU is not just a fast follower of liberal culture, a surprising amount of progressive innovation actually comes from UU members, congregations, and publishing houses. Just look at what % of the most popular woke books are published by UU's publishing company.
Correct. Abstractions like "culture" are weasel words that hide the inconvenient fact that there are real people, and real organizations, _that can be easily named_ that push this crap. The old bromide "follow the MONEY" is very appropriate here, as these things are often very resource intensive, and the people who provide the $$$ for this stuff are very aware and intentional in regards to what they are doing.
I cannot say if it is true or not. I can only tell my favorite Bible translation the Good News Bible has a similar art style to UU illustrations. I would say some of the important progressive Christian writings are published by Harpers Collins, with somewhat academic writing styles.
Been Orthodox for 35 years and never heard anything like "eventual reconciliation." More ill-fitting shoe-horning?
Saints Gregory of Nyssa and Isaac of Syria held to a type of apokatastasis different to Origen.
St. Gregory of Nyssa accepted the idea of apocatastasis from Origen. However, this part of St. Gregory's writings has been rejected by the subsequent saints of the Church. St Photios, St. Maximos the confessor, St.Mark of Ephesus etc. all wrote against it.
It wont matter since you can see a biblical form of apocatastasis in the bible@matheustonettomuniz6344
David Bentley Hart's influence on convert culture might be waning but 10 years ago when I was inquiring into Orthodoxy he was popular among converts. He openly teaches universalism and is a very smart man.
The Orthodox near me in Conroe TX, is in an "out building" a trailer type building 🤔
The Orthodox church in Salem, Oregon borrows the chapel of a Catholic school, and the one in Corvallis is in an old grange hall. They're making it work!
One in my state is in a giant box. I really hope it was because budget meant buying some ugly defunct non-denom monstrosity or having no church at all!
I learned EE at the independent Baptist church I grew up at. After twenty years I'm back there. Haven't heard it mentioned again 🤔
I would say that many evangelical churches are unaware of the shortage when they start pastoral searches. They typically at the beginning of a search start very picky and then 2 years goes by and they get desperate. They pass up someone they should have hired 2 months into the process and then hires someone they shouldn't 2 years later.
Paul is absolutely right. Its all about the MONEY. So people trust money more than God while forgetting that God feeds the birds of the air how much more value we have over them?? The Devil puts on their hearts that fact INSTEAD of trusting God. God knows you need food and shelter so dont chase after money. I dont know why i see that so clearly. Must be my age
Everyone should live on the road as a homeless person, just Like Jesus? Send me any money polluting your soul? ;-)
@@williambranch4283 haha William. Youre a funny guy. That would be unwise. Pastors in our denomination get paid quite well and usually have a parsonage or else the congregation pays his rent on a home. If you are a single person its hard and usually those people become associate pastors in large churches
@@williambranch4283 I was just the other day learning about the 2x2 movement. Not my thing, but interesting.
@@chrishoward8473 "Two by Twos" Irish home church movement? May come to that. When we are an impoverished 3rd world (formerly 1st world) messing with church properties and church institutions will be done. We will have to go back to Christian primitivism like we had on the 19th century frontier.
Grim Griz's conversation with Clara...oh my I both simultaneously want and don't want to watch that. 👀
Clara had her back-TLC Rando. Loved it ;-)
@@williambranch4283fwiw I don't think she would be intentionally rude but I can see where Griz might be aggravating to a researcher.
Great podcast - much to think about.... I was raised Anglican in Canada, then went to the RC church because my wife wanted this and I was a member of a high church Anglican parish anyway.... after my wife died, about two years later - this year I returned to the Anglican church but with my mother's religion (she was raised Episcopal - my mother was American).... she went to church to pray to God and didn't pay attention to what those men at the front were saying..... I pay attention (and the man at the front is a woman from Kenya) but I am a seeker
and learn so much from your thoughts..... thanks....
As you're talking about the difference in size of the nave for St. Andrew Orthodox Church (in Riverside), i had thr thought, standing people take up a lot less room than seated people. So, even if there's a high cost for building an Orthodox Church, the maximum number of people, say, per square feet is a lot higher than Willow Creek Church. You take up a lot more room when you're seated, so Protestants need a lot more room to fit the same number of people. So, I think that is a significant difference to consider when it comes to church architecture and cost.
Be early to the show
Paul, Ishtar was worshipped in Babylon during the month of June, they had rainbow banners, and her priests were transformers.
So we're in Babylon now?
Sounds about right.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that?
Here's a Fancy link to that GrimGriz/Clara thing he mentioned: th-cam.com/video/WqSizG5pDH0/w-d-xo.html
(Fancy cause it's the Fringe Encounter playlist)
Thanks for the post because I couldn’t tell which it might be, looking at your channel.
@@stevemcgee99 yeah, it was a livestream one not a video one
United Church of Christ is the Liberal Congregational Denomination. It's basically the Puritan's church, although it is hard to tell that from the inside.
Those walking cathedrals look like the imperator titans from Warhammer 40K.
My folks came from a pentecostal church that would have, at times, five hour long services on a Sunday due to a three hour long sermon plus an hour of music and maybe some other prayer and the like. The church settled down by the time I remember it, but "settling down" was still way more pentecostal than most pentecostals today.
Not social forces, pagan forces. The churches are switching from YHWH to gods
In my own experience, orthodox converts once chrismated are not that needy so as to demand much other than the liturgy and confession time which is minimal. We become attuned to the church fathers and feel surrounded and supported by them in our theosis work. Sub deacons and deacons often work with converts on catechism and basic questions. Plus our churches are standing- a small building can accommodate many more than one might think. Parish life too is quite united so there is synchronicity in living the faith far beyond any I experienced in Protestant churches so that we are caring for each other and less taxing on the priest. This is my experience. I don’t feel this crisis even while the two orthodox churches I’ve regularly attended are growing.
The convergence on a monoculture is inevitable when the church gets squeezed. Part of me is surprised at how slow it's been happening. But then, I grew up in Sweden where the church has been squeezed much harder than in America.
7:22 It feels like what is described here is Pelagian at the pulpit and Augustinian in the prayer book
Spell check: I know you wanted to say "Pelagian". ; )
Just finished this one today.
Northern Ireland is a microcosm of what you describe Paul in regards to Protestantism in the US.
I was brought up in the Methodist Church, my wife was Presbyterian so we ended up going to her church after we married with out much thought for the doctrinal differences.
2017 we ended up in a non denominational church (long story) 2020 it had a crisis due misdemeanours of the lead Pastor.
It’s changed since then for the better (interestingly enough some liturgical elements have been introduced)
We’ll stick there as my youngest has a good friend group although I really feel draw to the Church of Ireland (Anglican) the liturgical element is very appealing .
The gardener / rancher comparison struck home, moving to the non denominational made me realise what the denominations have and the former hasn’t.
If I’m honest my experience would tell me the non denominational structure is flawed compared to the denominational.
42:10 immigrant clergy is not a serious option going forward at all
"The theological distinctives are going away"
Mostly because the distinction between the Christian and the spirit of the age, has become so pronounced.
Universal flattening of hierarchy, in metaphysics and in people.
37:39 PVK is referring to Fr. Josiah Trenham of St. Andrews - who was actually raised Reformed and was contemplating pursuing the ministry in the PCA I believe - he's talked about conversations he had with JI Packer and RC Sproul in a phase where he was discerning his future. He studied in England so perhaps that influenced his speech. His online media vehicle is Patristic Nectar.
"Scaling Orthodox to meet Internet demand"
Are none of these converts, willing (or suitable) to enter the priesthood?
A lot of them are, but it’s a 5-6 year process from converting to being ordained minimum. And ideally it should be longer.
@@harrygarris6921 Well, Christianity is back in an "early church" mode, where we don't enjoy explicit support of government, and we deal with a lot of people who are either non-religious or outright heretical.
It's possible we'll see a number of St. Augustines out of the converts, if not St. Pauls.
Interesting times.
Goodness, I had forgotten about Evangelism Explosion, haha. Thanks for the memories.
I remember my folks had a copy of Evangelism Explosion. It fizzled pretty quickly.
IF people actually believe that Christ leads and guides His Church and we are talking about the lack of clergy and pastors would it not be LOGICAL to assume that Christ is not putting the desire on people’s hearts to enter the ministry BECAUSE He is sick and tired of all the heresy BECAUSE of colleges and culture is turning away from the truth?? He does not want MORE pastors to preach people into Hell
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You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
@@cozzwozzle exactly right but your part is to lead them to the water
The life of a pastor is hard, particularly our society is having collision of different ideas in many dimensions. Is the pastor career stable enough to proceed through the Seminaries? Maybe the prospective pastors will have pick fully conservative or fully progressive just to target the desired region of employment. Too many litmus tests and the gotcha culture might discourage people from entering faith leading avenues.
@@arubaga not how it works. Do we live in mans world or Gods??
9:40 Hell sliding off the menu? This is bad and a sign of the times. I fail to understand how one can be a christian without the belief in hell. If you stop believing in hell the best thing is to convert to judaism.
Well, have a look at the people who had all kinds of paranoia because of hellfire and brimstone sermons. Perhaps it is going off the menu because church men do not want to resort to psychological warfare to get butts in pews.
12:55 "failed" "youtuber"
At university and in my wife’s Presbyterian church I came across some reformed gents who would have warned about the “Wrath of God”, that I don’t think would sell well these days either.
Interestingly enough in our non denominational church last Sunday the sermon was on Habakkuk, it left me feeling uneasy. Not because the wrath of God was necessarily emphasised, but those reformed sermons were in the back of my head along with a certain bear 🐻.
I'm annoyed enough by the petition people trying to wave me down in front of the library, but I understand it's public property. Someone who actually comes to my house to sell me something will have a zero percent success rate. I make an exception for school kids selling cookies and candy.
Yeah, for a while, the Orthodox were bringing in whole congregations by way of the Western Rite till they could go thru the conversion process. One problem though, the former protestant minister couldn't become a priest if he had been divorced - deacon was the best he could do. You can have liturgy but without celebrating the Eucharist.
A Very Pertinent Question:
Let's say that you've always been an atheist raised among atheists; but suddenly as an adult, for various reasons, you've become _convinced_ that God exists and that Jesus rose from the dead, and that this validates "Christianity" as something God wants us to seek. Also, you have kids, and you want _yourself,_ and _your kids,_ to be taught _real_ Christianity, not some near-beer approximation. So now, you're seeking out "Christianity." Which denomination do you choose? And, upon what _principled_ basis are you choosing that one?
It's an important question. After all, if a "denomination" consists of a set of _doctrinal opinions_ and _liturgical norms_ and _ethical teachings,_ then choosing to join a denomination _just is_ choosing a set of doctrines, rites, and ethics to be taught _to one's children_ under the name "Christianity."
Surely God has made _some_ kind of provision for people to choose a church to attend, right?
Surely God hasn't made it _functionally impossible_ for us to find _real Christianity_ in this...haystack, right? Y'know, so that we can "know the truth" and be "set free?"
In Philosophy, an "Epistemology" is a set of practices and categories and mental tools describing how we come to _know_ things, and how we distinguish between _valid_ and _invalid_ ways of coming to different levels of _certainty_ about what we know.
It seems what we're lacking, here, is an Ecclesiological Epistemology: A way to _know,_ and _know that we know,_ that we're in the right church.
(How else, after all, is one _practically_ going to be able to learn and practice Christianity, in company with others?)
I'm not joking, here.
Tell me please: In the middle of all these unrooted denominations shifting over time, splitting, recombining, calling a doctrine a _sine qua non_ for Christianity in _one_ decade, and then totally ignoring all variation of opinion about that doctrine only a few decades later.... In the midst of _all that,_ how on _earth_ is a persons raised atheist, who has no prior bias towards this or that denomination and is just looking for truth.... how on earth is such a person supposed to _find_ Christianity, _know_ that he's found the right one, and have _well-founded, principled_ confidence that he's can trust _that_ denomination to help him pass the faith to his children?
If Christians don't have a _good answer_ to that question, then, what the heck are we even doing here? _Shouldn't_ that question be answerable?
If it isn't answerable, then...doesn't that mean that the whole _religion,_ this whole _pastiche of denominations,_ is incomplete? That there's something fundamentally _missing?_
I would say the conservative churches are good at sin avoidance, while the progressive churches are good at loving acceptance. There is yet a third type of choice if you want a "successful" Christian life, than a Mega-church good at practical life advices could be a good fit. A lot of times Mega-churches are cast as get it rich schemes, which is missing the point that a church should offer practical help in addition to just Sunday worship.
Just to be clear I don't think the deficit he was referring to was in relation to finances; they were discussing the number of Priests, not the availability of funds. Not to say the two are unrelated, though it seems the core issue can be described as theological flow-through rate.
34:25 wow. That explains a lot!
The streams have crossed on my last two comments, has the church in particular the Protestant churches been A and B thumbnail testing Jesus in a consumerist culture over the last 60 years, since the Mad Men era in the 1960s 🤔
If so what version has the culture been left with?
"Protestants are losing their distinctives"
How much time to Protestant pastors, Sunday-school teachers, etc, spend forming their congregation in those distinctives? Do the people tasked with instilling those distinctives, have the weight of credibility within their societies that Calvin, Knox, or Luther had? Do those distinctives have weight or applicability in the larger cultural discussion, for example today's "meaning crisis"?
I gave adult Church History education every Sunday ... though with a Prot leaning POV as appropriate for that congregation. I had six serious students.
These are good questions and the ones I suspect PVK wants to discuss under the "confessional conversations" he is always bringing up - these are the questions I am grappling with myself in my roles.
I taught a sort of Christian history class in our church following the writing of "How the Bible Actually Works" of how people's perception of faith changed through the various biblical ages. This has the theme that God gave the children the power of self-determination how to form godly relationships. Foremost in my mind is how to follow Jesus in a responsible way, and yet be meaningful among our worshippers.
Point of correction about your differentiation of emphases between Orthodoxy and Rome being Liturgy and Eucharist. From my experience, for an Orthodox, there is no Liturgy without the Eucharist - it's the whole point. I won't speak for the Romans, but I suspect they would say much the same about the Mass. Orthodox just tend to think they go off on tangents like the Filioque and transubstantiation and such.
True about the Divine Liturgy. There is n Divine Liturgy without the Eucharist.
So then read the breakthrough novel “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much.
No doubt you get lots of book recommendations, Paul, but I won't let that stop me. A book I am reading at the present compliments a lot of what you have to say in this video...and at other times too. Cultural Sanctification by Stephen O. Presley. It may not be your standard interview but I think you and Dr. Presley would have rollicking good conversation. Just saying...
The Antiochians are apparently reconsidering the American assumption that a priest needs a PhD.
After all, did every apostolic transmission in the first millennium involve written homework?
I know no Antiochian priests who have a Ph.D. Maybe they're reconsidering the Master's requirement.
@@stevemcgee99 Most apostolic successors at least had an apprenticeship from their predecessor or some equivalent, I should think.
I am elated that hell is receding in favor of the Patristic teaching of Ultimate Reconciliation. That gives me great hope for the future of Christianity.
Good. I love seeing people telling Pascal to take his Wager and cram it.
Contemporary pastoring requires a lot of education. If not done in youth, it also requires a lot of sacrifice on the part of the family of the would-be pastor. A clergy that doesn't require at least this (if not priestly celibacy too) is a Congregationalist cult. At one time Disciples of Christ pastors were mere Elders promoted into a pulpit. Those pastors were well known locals who had natural familial authority. Pastors like that are the future in a more impoverished and uneducated world. Congregational pastoring is also less stable for contemporary pastors and their families, because the pastor is a hireling who can be fired like a janitor by the Elders without much notice ;-(
I agree. We can look back on history. Before the plague the smartest person in the village was the clergy... After, they had to lower standards to fill the vacancies... The opinions(doxia) felt the loss...
Probably picked up a bit of an accent in seminary.
Your not in such good company with the A & B testing of your thumbnails Paul 😐🙂..
“Yes, Pornhub is known for pioneering A/B thumbnail testing on a large scale. They implemented a system where different thumbnails for the same video would be shown to various users, and the one that received the most clicks would be deemed the most effective and used as the default thumbnail. This approach helped them optimize engagement and improve user experience by leveraging data-driven decisions on visual content. This technique has been influential and adopted by many other platforms to enhance their content presentation strategies.”
(Chat GPT)
LOL. Don't give me any ideas!!! :)
There’s all kinds of niches these days Paul 🙂😐
I think about how long it takes for a piece of technology to be invented, and how little time it takes to be used for dirty jokes. No matter what our opinion is on dirty jokes, they will be part of invention.
Paul, if you weren't a "failed" TH-camr I wouldn't watch your stuff at all.
This video does a lot to convince me that the Catholic Church, despite its many flaws, will outlast all others.
I can agree. Having been to services, there is a glaring difference in the Catholic church. Their third world outreach (sorry for the verbiage) has shown great returns in attendance. Not so with many other denominations.
Hello Paul,
Let me share some details about my small church in the city of Beer-Sheva, Israel, which is part of the Jerusalem Pilgrim Mission of the Russian Orthodox Church. Over the past two years, it has moved twice. Initially, we were in a nice private house in the city, but we were forced to leave because it was located close to a synagogue that served poor neighbors. They didn’t like our presence and a few times left dead chickens on the doorstep of the house (church). So, we moved to an expensive villa on the outskirts of the city. We operated there for a year until some neighbors complained that the singing done in the basement was disturbing. Now we are renting a small basement place in an industrial area.
The icons, garments, and other items, by my estimation, are worth about $10,000. Most of it belongs to the mission church. The priest is Russian, married with a teenager who sometimes plays the role of a deacon. He works from home in customer support or IT (something on a computer).
Don't forget that the Orthodox Church did not initially come from the Catholic Church, so the rules of priest education and social status are much more down to earth. The tradition of becoming a priest is almost like that of a rabbi in the diaspora. As long as you are a priest or rabbi and people are interested in the teaching/liturgy, the conditions are less important.
Lastly, most of the beauty of Orthodox churches comes from donations and patience. It can take a long time before a wealthy person donates enough money to build a $50 million church. For some churches, it took hundreds of years to gather the funds to paint icons on the walls, and some are still standing bare.
I highly recommend you have a random talk with Gordon from Macedonia. His priest is running a church on a shoestring budget in Germany, making money from baptisms, marriages, and funerals.
Religious freedom doesn't seem all that respected in Israel, does it.
Thanks for the note.
@@jimluebke3869 The authorities respect religious freedom very much, but people, especially the poor, are just people.
@@teddyem Did the "authorities" have enough authority to keep you from being driven out?
@@jimluebke3869 What do you mean exactly? keep random people from throwing eggs at a house and living junk at your door step? That isn't policeable even in the most law abiding countries. People always can find ways to express there displeasure with your activity.
I know Fr. Josiah Trenham lived in Mexico and England for many years, which may account for the accent.
Thanks Nathan. First answer I've gotten from that question.
Looking like the great delusion will be the knock-out punch to this internet pipeline
What are you referring to?
@@ShowMeMoviesInc. “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Josiah Trenham. And I also puzzle over his accent. There's a video of the tour??
Either symbolic world or patristic nectar channels
Anyone know where I can find the Clara and Griz convo?
Grim's channel but in the Live tab.