May I ask Christians out there to pray for me and my fathers family. I’m going to be staying with them for a few months and they’re Mormons. This is my first time interacting with them since I started walking with Christ. We’ve had hard times in the past but I want so bad for them to see the love of the Lord in me. They’re very nice people but very lost. Please keep me in your prayers! Much love and gratitude!
I know the struggle sister, my entire family is catholic and I live with them full time! which is my opinion is far more deceiving than any other religion, I pray that the truth is the gospel reaches their hearts, minds and souls, the truth truly sets you free, in Jesus name I pray, Amen!
If you get a chance stick to the meat. Who is Jesus? Lucifer’s brother or the eternal son of God? What is the Gospel? Death burial and Resurrection of Jesus is how we’re Saved by grace thru faith! Ephesians 2:8&9 2Nephi25:23 from Book of Mormon says that “we are saved by grace AFTER ALL THAT WE CAN DO”. once you have now established they have a different Gospel & a different Jesus, take them to Galatians 1 and show them how we’re not supposed to add ANYTHING to the Gospel. “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV Joseph Smith was appeared to by an ANGEL OF LIGHT, angel Maroni, that gave him a different Gospel. Praying for you!
Get educated. Mark 13:10 (KJV) And the gospel must first be published among all nations. Colossians 1:23 (KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Romans 1:8 (KJV) First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Fulfilled before AD70. "World" is from the Greek meaning "known world" i.e. Roman Empire. See Greek oikemene in Strong's Concordance.
If I were Satan and I wanted to place a gigantic stumbling block to the expansion of the Gospel I could not come up with a better system than Dispensationalism. Thank God for men like Pastor Jeff, Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Doug Wilson, Hank Hanegraff, just to name a few. It's too bad that great preachers like John Macarthur, David Jeremiah, and Greg Laurie subscribe to Premillennial Dispensationalism.
The crown of thorns epiphany he had with his son, oh man, mind blown too. I love the sermons that provide the historical/cultural context-it gives me a greater appreciation of God’s Providence and the consistency of His Word-and I also love history, so there’s that, too. ☺️
I believe you are doing true work of God lately and your sermons keeping focus on showing that Jesus is the promised Christ, bless your ministry brother.
Just when i couldn't appreciate this guy any more he points people to a body of Christ, right down to the financial support! I know God will bless this ministry! Thank you pastor!
Am learning so much from Pastor Jeff. I try to listen to several sermons a week. Am sharing this one for sure- still in a traditional Baptist Church and as I hear all about the Return of Jesus an,d the Rapture I just don’t engage in the discussion- wish I could explain the scriptures to them but just don’t have the skill to tie it all together even though I understand it so well now.
I’ve been a Christian for 40 yrs. At first I was pre mill. A few years ago I thought I was amill. Now I’m leaning to post mill. I’ve studied Revelation at least 9 times and watched countless debates on the various views. I still have questions and wish I had a knowlegable person who could answer them. Tried tweeting Dr White. Maybe he’ll answer in time.
This is the correct interpretation of Matthew 24 (Olivet Discourse). Victorious Eschatology is the biblical perspective rather than the pessimism of the futurists.
@@adamcarpenter1869 To them everything we see now must turn to crap. Instead of the covenant breakers and the harlot of Israel in bed with the beast being brought down and a new covenant given through Christ......it's the entire world must be trashed then God will come. After His amazing creation is destroyed by simple sinners?....God was victorious and He gave the WORLD a new covenant and part of that covenant was not that the very same creation be destroyed. God said it will be finished when all of His enemies are placed under His feet. A footstool. How does that compute to Him coming after the world we live in NOW....after His sacrifice after we get to destroy this new world?
I just got rebuked by the man who saved me for taking the View of the end of the age is past tense not future and he rebuked me in anger and stormed off coz I won’t take the View where in Mathew 16 verse 27 says For the son of man is going to come in his father’s glory with his angels and then he will award each person according to what he has done I tell you the truth some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. I believed that’s past tense and he got so upset rebuked me and stormed off lord man I need your comfort right now being rebuked by the man who got me to finally repent.
@@DEADxVenom when Jesus said that to his disciples’ he was referring to the transfiguration, which happened next when some of the disciples were standing there’ they saw who Christ really was when he was transfigured before them ,and they heard the voice from heaven which was our Heavenly Father. When Jesus said that ‘that was not past tense yet, it is past tense to us. Remember it was Moses and Elijah that showed up , they Represented the law and the Old Testament prophets , and Jesus was standing there in all of his glory and majesty showing that he indeed was the king !the glorious king of heaven. There be some standing here’ Peter , James ,and John. Jesus didn’t lie. Predaterism is false. You should run.
Thank You! I have been watching and listening to your lessons regarding the end of the Jewish State and the Old Covenant, with total fascination. The way you've explained the Olivet Discourse ; Daniel; and Revelation, has been like turning a key in a rusty lock. I am FINALLY beginning to understand sections of the Bible which I used to avoid, because they wouldn't make sense whenever I read it as referring to The End of The World.
Jeff here twist scripture the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
@@victorcritelli5790 you just changed look to mourn, and your accusing jeff of twisting scripture? You and I as part of true Israel (anyone with faith in Christ) mourn for Christ.
@@jpfiero Really dont see what you are saying the full scripture in zach is “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstbord in rev Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. both look and morn are a part of both statements, So please explain in more detail what you mean?
@@victorcritelli5790 Sorry looks like I misread what you had said. Jeff does touch on the women weeping as he was on his way to be crucified. Also remember it was a small elite class that wanted him crucified. The nation was judged because they became complicit, they allowed their evil leaders to go against Gods law. Probably many did mourn, they would have understood this better than we do. Do you believe "those who pierced him" are still living or will be resurrected to mourn for him?
@@jpfiero Yes if you look at the 2 scriptures it does show that is not just a few women moreover on the way to the cross, Moreover Yes still on the earth yes, Jesus spoke to the pharases as they are the same generation as the fathers, for a reason, Yes even the same as those that slain the prophets, Because men are all of the same sins nothing changes under the sun till his return, right. we are the same as the tower of babble, the same them in the desert who sinned, the same as crucified Jesus,. The world will continue till his return, And wax worse as it is written, In fact it is so wild when I see the lies in the garden You shall not die knowledge to became as god yada yada are the same lies many fall into even to this day, Yes when Jesus was crucified is was from the same spirit Cain had when he killed Able is it not
It’s so funny reading all the comments from angry people. They dismiss all the beauty of all the correlations Jeff made between the Old Testament and the New Testament as well as all the Old Testament prophecies Jesus fulfilled. It was so beautiful! Praise God!!! I was raised as a pre-tribber but never understood it or accepted it. I’m so glad to have the opportunity now to learn all the other interpretations of eschatology. All I know is that in the end... it will all pan out! Praise God!
The funny thing is if you read the bible you don't need all these newer theologies, Darby chopped up the word and created his own interpretation, Premillennial has been from the beginning without dispensational and pretrib thought, Post millennial has also come about in 1650 and turns the gospel on its head Partial preterism is gross error easily refuted
Jeff here twist scripture the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
@@victorcritelli5790 May I humbly suggest that you not base your understanding on English translations alone. We all hold presuppositions as we approach eschatology and the larger context must be always in view. Do you read the Scriptures with awareness of the literary genre? Do you have an optimistic Gospel? Is Christ's death and resurrection sufficient to save or will God need to bring further judgement? Will the Church ultimately be defeated by the world, requiring her escape? Do we give necessary weight to the OT allusions of judgement and redemption when reading the NT? Hermeneutics is serious business and requires both art and science.
@@mchristr I def don't look at English only, Greek and Hebrew are both important I agree However, You would have to question why a guy like Jeff or even darby who both go away from scripture, Would have a right understand even though it departs from a plain reading Many will say like your art and poetry or whatever the catholic church does the same But then Why do they have when the early Christians (1st 2nd Gen) did not have this understanding? In addition to going away from the clear understanding Many who are in this camp will lean heavily on the deep study of poetry or other forms of writing their education and how smart they are, In addition, much of what they say is the same reasoning as the catholic church uses I find this curious too Because the word say this many times in many ways about this 26 For [a]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [b]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [c]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
I like Jeff's star wars illustration. I find another appropriate application as I scan the comments. It's easy to tell who actually watches the sermons based on questions asked and comments made. We use to joke about students in seminary who asked a whole bunch of questions or raised certain objections after class and we asked, "did you actually pay attention to the lecture, because he/she covered that?" Yeah, same thing... Some of you commenting, if you're not going to watch the sermons, why comment on them. That's not really fair and makes you look kind of silly. Lord bless all of you!
I wish I was there at you’re church listening to those messages as much as possible. The amount of interpretations out there retaining to end times is daunting. I could write a novel on just that thought and the amount of light you just shed from this message alone. I still have a lot more to watch and catch up on from you’re educated and literal explanation of all this, but I can honestly say I’m excited to know and watch more. I feel this is finally, the least confusing, most sensible conclusion to eschatology out there. And I can’t wait to begin watching you’re interpretation of revelation! Praise Jesus, and thank you for what you are doing Pastor Jeff.
They are wrong about that. Demonic forces attack us constantly, however, if you are indwelt by the Spirit of God, you cannot be indwelt by a demon. You are protected and sealed by God. That does not mean that we will not suffer attacks and percecutions. Jesus promised that we will, but that He would be with us, and help us. I'm glad that you know that you are under attack. This is actually a good thing, my friend. If the demons are attacking you, that means that you are their enemy. Stay strong in your faith. Pray fervently. It's in our lowest, and most difficult moments that the glory of God shines brightest. You may not see it while your in the storm, but it will pass, and you will see the Son again, and come out stronger than you were before the storm. God is faithful and true.
Carlos Craveiro i’ll pray for you in the name of Jesus father hear my prayer may you shield any Christian that is being attacked I pray this in Jesus name amen
If you had read/watched other points of view in these scriptures you would know that there are difficulties from all main viewpoints on the Olivet discourse
@@kieranmurphy14 R C Sproul covered the main three views in a video series, available at Ligonier. He started as much, and gave the difficulties of Amellinialsm, Premillennialism, and Postmillennialism. None of the three is air-tight. The dispensationalist argument (rapture, rebuilding the temple, sacrificing of the red heifer, Jews turning en mass to Christ) is altogether a different idea, having been invented in the last century. Jeff should be familiar with these other viewpoints. Sproul has a book on this subject as well. For a deeper dive, check out Lorraine Boettner, "The Milennium."
@Curtis Hazen What is yours then, and we will see. That is, pre-, post, or amillenialism? That is the subject I was speaking of, which I'm not sure is actually taken up by Jeff in this sermon. He takes a preterist view. Does he also take a premillienail view? They may not be the same thing. #-millenial refers to the 1000-year reign of Christ. When does it begin? Is it in the Now or the future? Which position do you hold? I do not know which position Jeff holds as I've never heard him say. I have heard James White say on one of his radio shows (Apologia or RFG, not sure) that he is an amillennialist. One could be amillennialist and preterist if the belief if that the Olivet Discours has already occurred and we are now in the church age, and the 1000 year reign of Christ is figurative. I think, unless I'm mistaken, one could also hold a preterist position and premillennial or postmillenial position. Please feel free to delve into the issue and get back before comments are closed. But with evidence, not flippant answers. Im interested to hear the argument for "100% locked" since for 2000 years a lock has evaded all the giants of the faith.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 Jesus lives Jesus Christ is Lord Jesus loves you repent You're a sinner in need of a Savior
(I'm not your pastor) wow!! Lots of people get wrapped up on the Internet when they need to fellowship in person with like minded people I appreciate that message pastor Durban good on you brother keep up the good work
It is difficult finding like minded people. Here in the Philippines, most churches are fundamentalist premillennialist which I would like to avoid. Premillers postpones the kingdom when in Luke it was made clear to never be postponed.
The only way the premill position can be proven is if you change the nature of how context works. You have to redefine the methodology of how to properly read contextually as well as redefining words such as “age”, “generation”, “this”, “you”, ect. It takes a great deal of textual gymnastics to arrive there.
goldenreel Amen brother. We have a standard for interpreting scripture if everyone followed it we would have unity and the correct understanding of Scripture.
I agree most of the Olivet Discourse is about the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century... however, I also see parts of this referring also to the time when Christ physically returns to raise the dead, judge the world in righteousness, and usher in the eternal state. That, and there are many times that the Bible uses a prophecy to point to one thing close in time to the time the prophet is speaking, but also at the same time referring to another event - often Christs' first or second coming - in the same breath. We see this frequently in prophecies the NT says are fulfilled in Christ's first coming, and yet were also fulfilled in an event much earlier in time. While I agree that dispensationalism and many forms of challism, or premillenialism, can be misleading - the other extreme, where one reacts to it - can be misleading as well. Jesus IS coming back: today, tomorrow, 2000 years from now, we don't know when, and he will physically and will defeat death.
@@markdoherty754 He mentioned it briefly in the video, 1 Corinthians 15. This chapter talks about the resurrection. It says Christ must reign until all of His enemies have been made a footstool. Death is the final enemy, which is conquered by the resurrection. So, the question you're probably asking is, when or how does his reign conclude? Will the world enter some type of "golden age" where all the nations of the earth become Theocratic Christian? Post-millenialists, like Jeff, believe so. I'm not so sure; although the only scriptural objection I have is more of a big picture symbolic one, rather than any specific passage. This progression to a "golden age" is just not what I see happening through the last 2000 years of history. What I see is a repeating cycle of nations rising and falling, from which God preserves a remnant faithful to himself. The patterns described in the Biblical prophecies seem to emerge again and again. The beasts (empires), the whore of Babylon (the unfaithful), the anti-Christ; they've all come and gone many times. My logical conclusion is the cycle will repeat until it happens on a global level, rather than national. I hold more to an A-millenial view. The only thing Posties and A-Mils really disagree on is the condition of the world when Christ returns. Regardless, when He does, that's a wrap; resurrection, new heaven, new earth and an eternity face to face with Him.
Christ has already defeated death. The moment we are born again, we pass from death to life. We are literally changed in the twinkling of an eye. We are ALREADY seated in heavenly places.
Would you be open to a suggestion? In the Title (ie: 'Coming on the Clouds') could you include the scripture covered? Also in the Playlists have separate playlists for each book of the Bible? As in this one would be included under 'Matthew'. It's amazing how many times I come here to hear your perspective on a certain area. Thanks for this amazing gift!
Jesus also clearly said that all these things happen immediately after the tribulation of those days.... so if all these have been fulfilled, that means we're already past the 7 year tribulation. Which is folly, because Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation take place, run to the mountains. Revelation 6 gives us a detailed description of people running and hiding themselves in the mountains because the wrath of God is now come
In order to accept Jeff's interpretation of this Scripture, you also have to believe that Revelation was written before the destruction of the second temple. Going against every mainstream scholar who clearly states that Revelation was written sometime between 90-95 AD. John clearly writes in Revelation 14 about Jesus coming on the clouds with angels to gather believers. John is writing as if it's a future event that has not happened, if he is writing anytime after 70 AD there is no way the preterist view holds up.....
Absolutely agree with you. We can’t throw out Revelation. Not to mention that the Jews are ready to rebuild the temple and have everything ready to go, we are seeing many prophecies happen right now. God is not finished with the Jews. Sorry, but the preterist view doesn’t work.
@@Kitkat7826 For sure, I wonder why so many Christians fall for this teaching. He said at one point "really....an actual cloud....Jesus is going to be riding an actual physical cloud...?" Implying that he's not. I wonder what he thinks was floating above the heads of the Israelites wandering in the wilderness?
@@lonestarstate6570 many Christians are believing it because they're not continually and consistently reading the Word of God.. don't forget everybody the goal is to think of every scripture at the same time.. impossible? Yes, in the flesh with the carnal mind but with the power and teaching of His Holy Spirit it is possible, trust me , doesn’t happen overnight or even in a few years, takes time.. I myself am still working on it after 23yrs
@@Hmmm7512 If you follow your advice and consistently read the word of God, more specifically the gospel of Matthew, you’ll find he uses the word generation numerous amount of times. The term generation is used by Jesus as well, he addresses the people of Israel and tells his disciples “this” generation, not “that” generation. Jesus is specifically talking to the 1st Century and the connotations of the scriptures imply that Matthew is consistent with his understanding and translation. Jesus may have in fact already come, the Great tribulation is over, if anything, it is a blessing! To know we are in the final stretch, to glorify GOD, and to sing his praise! Think about it, the devil will soon be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity, and we will be with our KING Yeshua!
I have listened to two or three hours of him talking. Can anyone tell me where on this video he explains the verses in the title of this video? Does he deny that this is the second coming of Christ? Does he deny this is the rapture spoken of in first Thessalonians chapter 4?
Nothing is better to hear the laughter of thy HOSTS and Heirs and our beautiful Sisters innocents YOUNGS SONS AND DAUGHTERS. INDEED is SOOTHING TO HEAR AND FOOD unto our God and the SON OF MEN. For the Kingdom of God made for THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES. REMEMBER YESHUA JESUS CHRIST SAID DO NOT DENY THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES UNBORN AND BORN. REMEMBER YESHUA JESUS CHRIST SAID, UNTO ALL WHO DENY THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES. LOVE YOU BELOVED HOSTS AND HEIRS JEFF. NOTHING IS WASTED BUT INCREASED. FOR SINCERE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE GIVEN SINCERE ANSWERS. JEFF LOVE YOU YESHUA MADE KINGS AND PRIEST. INDEED WHO ARE WORTH RESPECTING, HONORING, LOVING, AND GIVING MY LIFE FOR A FRIEND KIND OF LOVE.
About 20 years ago I had a dream rode 2 diff chariots 1 one w ox man lion eagle 2 chariot w a man dressed in armor I in sack cloath there was much more to the dream . Also about 3 weeks later I went to library picked up 5 angel books 3 book opened I seen my dream on a page it referred to ezekiel
I know I'm late to the party but what about " He shall rule the nation's with a rod iron" ? I interpret that by He is not yet until the "fulness of the gentiles come in" and the world goes thru the greatest tribulation as ever has been on earth", "to try them that dwell on the earth" , and then the great wrath of God is poured out upon all those who took the mark of the beast for they could not buy, sell or trade without that mark..? Alot of scriptures getting left out here brothers and sisters, never fully embrace a man's interpretation and system.. I say that from studying Gods Word for many many years and learned not to embrace no system,.. postmillennialism is a system, be careful. But! One thing we all do is , no matter where your at in your walk with the Lord, preach the gospel fervently and with passion and study His Word every chance you get, go sell all you have and buy that pearl of great price!
God bless you and your ministry. P.s Can you please do a study on the Genesis 6 Nephilim giants and their spirits trapped here on earth? Thank you very much.
Ancient peoples had one all consuming concern. Water and Sunshine. Without water and sunshine, no food. No food no life. Everyday was greeted with the need for rain and sunshine. They believed the gods controlled the rain and sunshine. This is why they worshipped the gods. To keep them happy. The gods were the ones who “rode the clouds” and “came with the clouds” and “revealed themselves “in the clouds” The ancient Canaanite god Baal was called “the cloud rider.” In the first century if you claimed you would “come in the clouds,” you would have been understood by everyone that you were claiming to be God!
Don Preston is a CBV why not instead try and debate an IBV. Don Preston would beat Jeff on the time statements while an IBV would win him on the nature.
1 Thessalonians 4, [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them *in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Revelation 1, [7] Behold, he cometh *with clouds;* and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Zekariah 12-14 Daniel 7, [13] I saw in the night visions, and behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man, and he came up even to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Matthew 24, 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the land lament, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Could someone point me to the passage(s) that Pastor Jeff refers to regarding Yahweh taking the same path that Jesus took before the destruction of the second temple? I'm looking for the Old Testament verses. Thank you!
I have been following Jeff Durbin and his street encounters and now have been marvelled to hear him preaching over Matthew 24 over the series of videos. Because of his love and respect for the work of God i would love you to pass on this message to him so that he might step further into his knowledge regarding the spiritual misconceptions. 1. Satan - The word Satan (Hebrew: יֵצֶר הַרַע yēṣer haraʿ) as it states in Wikipedia is the inclination of mans’ heart desire to do evil things in opposition to the will of God. I will point out three bible clear illustrations. Job - In the book of Job, his friends went before God and driven by jealousy asked God to put Job in test to then deny God. Proof of this is found at the of the book when God decides to punish the three friends and not "satan". If it was the religious “satan", why would God want to punish Job’s friends? It is clear that they were jealous in opposition to God’s blessing upon Job’s life. Apostle Peter - In Matthew 16:23, Jesus rebukes the apostle Peter for trying to oppose (satan) the will/work of God on the cross. Clearly Peter could not have been possessed by a supposed spiritual entity (so called Satan) and then later on being given the keys to the Kingdom of heaven. Jesus makes it very clear as well when He says "for you mind not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”, meaning that Peter did not comprehend the plans of God as he tries to oppose Jesus’ crucifixion. Jesus’ temptation - Here is another very easy and clear passage where Jesus is being tempted by his fleshly desires, like we are tempted and fail but he instead subdued his flesh and being God did not use his power to satisfy his body. Had Jesus (being God) had turned the stones in bread and had failed in any of the other temptations his body presented to him, he would not have been fully man and therefore would not have been righteous on the cross to remove our sins. Paul in the book of Romans 7 and 8 explains clearer then water what Jesus was going through and we all humans go through and fail in life, that is the fight of our flesh against the spirit of God that lives within us. 2. Hell (in its 3 variations)- Sheol (/ˈʃiːoʊl/ SHEE-ohl, /-əl/; Hebrew: שְׁאוֹל Šəʾōl) in Hebrew only means the “place of darkness” where the dead go, throughout the bible this word is used to describe grave and nothing else. Then the word is translated into Greek Hades (/ˈheɪdiːz/; Greek: ᾍδης Hádēs; Ἅιδης Háidēs) which has the same conotation of being a place where the dead go/rest. Now the work Gehenna (/ɡɪˈhɛnə/, /ɡəˈhɛnə/[1]) or Gehinnom (literally translated as "Valley of Hinnom”) was a place at the outskirts of Jerusalem where the Kings would make their sacrifices killing their children (Jeremiah 7:31) and later their enemies of war. There is no hell such as religion created, being the phisical place where the sinner would go to, we only need to understand which of the three words are being used on the text and apply its meaning to the text. In the book of revelation where it says about the “Lake of Fire” read and understand that the words lake of fire is another figure of speech and not a literal place and it simply means what the text says: The second death (Revelation 20:14 "the spiritual death") the one that Jesus conquered on the cross of which has no power of God’s people the church, the bride, the new Jerusalem, etc. The sinners and the non-believers will be going to eternal shame which is also the lake of fire, our spirits will return to God and their spirits will die and will not dwell in the presence of God. The 20 centure idea of hell is the creation of religion to slave peaple into their doctrines creating fear and captivity, which is “satan” the opposite desire of God for our lives. I would love to have an open conversation with brother Jeff Durbin. Above anything else, I would like to say that I appreciate the work God is doing though Jeff bringing understanding of the word of God and freeing God’s people from religion.
@@robertknight3354 my brother. God did not speak to an actual spirit being. Read Job 1:6 you will see that the sons of God presented before him. You must understand that the Jewish people from that time did not believe in "satan" as you do. Look at the bible and you'll see that God made things happen according to his will and not an evil spiritual being as religion preaches. The bible does not make any reference to satan as a being, instead it makes it very clear that "satan" is everything that opposes God will. Jesus speaks to his flesh, like you and I often do when we find ourselves questioning whether we should or should not do something. When you are hungry and go to a supermarket you go talking to yourself thinking: "what should I get". Or when you did something you know you shouldnt have, then you say: "i shouldnt have done that". Jesus like us was tempted by his flesh but did what we cannot do, subdued it. "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15" I know it's not easy to have lived most of our lives with the conception given by religion about a word (satan) and now facing a different reality. Brother examine the word God and he might open your eyes to see the truth I speak. The religious satan is a man-made creature to cause people to fear and run into their temples. Bless you brother.
@@edujesus3866 I'm not hanging onto it as tradition. I simply don't take the word the way you are. I personally feel you are the one viewing it incorrectly but as long as both of us are always seeking the word of God and are both adopted into His Kingdom then we are brothers who disagree. Have a good week, weekend. Bless you.
What do you mean by reformed? I’m looking for a church and I love your sermons. I’ve been recently saved out of the new age occult and really wanna find a home.
At what point during his ascension did Jesus' body cross the firmament and enter heaven? I'm looking for specificity here, like was it before or after he escaped the earth's atmosphere?
Great point, there are many problems like this with the Amillennial eschatological view though I do like it. I'm currently studying this interpretation out and weighing it against a Post Wrath Rapture view which I currently hold. The most basic thing that I like about the Amillenial teaching though is that it is empowering ,and like Jeff said, makes us think about the future in a different way. Having trouble reconciling it completely with the scripture so I'm taking the "hope for the best (Amillennnial) prepare for the worst (Post Wrath Rapture)" approach.
@@mongoosemojo8041 I like a lot of this stuff too but the problems with it are sticking out like a sore thumb. Not sure why he doesn't believe in double fulfillment as many old testament prophesies were. I honestly think Pre-millenialism is the best case scenario. But I agree with your comment that Amillenialism gives you a different perspective and an urgency toward evangelism. God doesn't do anything without telling his people. Amillenialism basically leaves us at a cliff hanger because we don't know what to look for or know how it's all going to conclude
@@nickkoehler1617 I agree, double fulfillment is the pattern but he's hanging on the "this generation will not pass away before all these things are fulfilled" which is legitimate stand I think. Again there are glaring problems with this like the promise of Satan being bound, if he's bound now I'd be astonished to see what the world would be like if he was free. Haven't heard all the teaching on this view but I'm in study on it. Until I see the bigger picture here I gotta stay with Post Wrath Rapture Tribulation perspective.
I'll give a hundred bucks to the first person to show me where in the Hebrew or Greek of the Bible there is any mention of the end of the physical cosmos. I can find none; only the end of the old covenant age.
The prophecy of Jesus coming in the clouds in Matthew 24 is either a literal meaning or symbolic. Many people are looking up expecting to see 2nd coming Jesus to come from the sky on a cloud (or in a cloud or behind the cloud) not sure. But if it has a parabolic meaning, then those thinking it's a literal cloud will miss His 2nd coming. And vice versa would obviously be true too. Well we can understand which it is by looking at a prophecy in Daniel 7 about the 1st coming of Jesus. In Daniel 7:13-14, Daniel saw the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power [kingdom]. Then who is it that came 2000 years ago and was given these 3 things? Yes, it was Jesus. He said he was given authority (Matthew 28:18-20). He was given glory (John 17:10, 22, 24). And He was given a kingdom (Luke 22:29-30). So we can see that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in Daniel 7:13-14. But the prophecy given to Daniel as a vision, saw him coming with the clouds of heaven. Then, did Jesus fulfill this by coming down in a LITERAL cloud in the sky? Of course not. He came from heaven IN THE FLESH. No wonder the Jews found it hard to believe that Jesus was the one who was to come. Even now, they are still waiting for his 1st coming looking up at the sky. Then what should we understand when Jesus told his disciples that his 2nd coming will be in the same way? Yes, he is to come born in the flesh again. He will restore the truth in the last days. The dark ages and the reign of the little horn [Roman Papacy] has passed. Now the 2nd coming Christ has come when the Fig Tree [Israel] came back to life in 1948 as prophesied in Matthew 24:32-35 and Jeremiah 30:1-9. All peoples are coming out of Babylon [ALL the false apostate churches of today] and are streaming to Mount Zion as prophesied in Micah 4:1-2 to learn the ways of the Lord. That's why in Revelation 12:17 and revelation 14:12 describe the saints as those who obey God's commandments. The truth of the new covenant has been restored by the 2nd coming Christ in these last days. We are given life giving water [rain] from the true one who came in a cloud. Praise God.
Jeff is a Partial Preterist, meaning he believes most of the end times prophecies were fulfilled in the 1st century, specifically at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and her temple in AD 70. This is a legitimate claim because “end times” doesn’t explicitly mean end of human history but in context is referring to the end of the age, specifically the end of the Old Covenant and the Jewish Economy. Jeff also believes in Postmillennialism (as opposed to to the popular view today which is Dispensational Premillennialism). This view teaches that through history the Gospel will succeed in every facet of life, or in other words is an eschatology of victory and Christ reigns supreme and is the victor over the nations of the world by the succession of the Great Commission. In the Postmill and Partial Preterist view of eschatology, there is no future of doom and gloom (although this can occur in some nations for a time, but not permanently) but seeing the world as a whole in the span of time being discipled and under the authority of Christ and His Gospel. I too adhere to this position.
Wow Praise God ! I get it ! One question , you said you were going to read from the KJV but the wording you read was slightly different but the same so what were you reading from , version I mean . So far I'm having a serious problem finding a church that believes this way in Cincinnati Ohio .
@@gavin_hill Most of his reading , he says I'm going to read from the kjv , but its all more like the way we speak today . Yesterday I bought the NKJV truthfully I think this might be what he's using . Something else is confusing me now though . Jeff teaches that this rapture thing is all wrong , ok I don't have issue with that except I'm having a problem finding a church or anyone that agrees with it . I'm only a few months old in Christ and have been looking for a sound church....this is proving to be a tall order . Cincinnati Ohio
@@shatteredone6127 I hear you, the prominent teaching in a lot of western churches it premillenial eschatology (End times doctrine) Jeff is speaking about post millenial and there is still yet some who hold to 'amillenial' What Jeff often says is important and the scripture agrees, is to be plugged in to a local body of believers that you are accountable to and that you are able to grow with. Look for a church that preaches the gospel as found in scripture and that is faithful to God's word. I am from Australia, but I had a look on google maps and there seems to be a few around, I would suggest go to a church each Sunday until you find one that you feel lead to be a part of. Also on the versions, if you do not find a KJV bible easy to read and understand I would suggest an ESV bible or a NASB. Keep faithful to Jesus, brother.
What's interesting about Isaiah 13 is it followed by Isaiah 14 which talks about the real king of Babylon but then switches to speaking of Satan and about his end at the end of THIS age SO you, Being this happened in Isaiah 14 wouldn't it make sense this same thing happened in the accompanying Isaiah 13 talking about the literal Babylone but also in the middle talking about the end time
Sad to see Pastor Durbin assert coming to the text with a presupposition of the text in Matt 24 and assert a preterist view is the correct view. So was the period of the destruction of the temple in 70 a time that is worse than all other days, was there many saying Here is the Christ or there is Christ as spoken in Matt 24, the very text he is using to prove a preterist view...? I love listening to Pastor Durbin as it seem he has a real heart for God, and will be honest i'm so pre *Everything* (wrath, tribulation, or what ever...) I'm simply pre-pre. Could never hold to a Presterist view, as it seems Pastor Durbin holds to and asserts as correct... But even his explanation to support a Preterist view falls far, very far short with scripture, even the passage he want to assert (Matt 24) as his best support, would say works so strongly against his points he might make...
Dan Doris if you read the historical writings of people like Josephus, who lived through the events in 70 A.D., you will understand why Jesus used that language. There was blood flowing through the streets it was so bloody.
@@jwalkermtnr Was it as bad as say Auschwitz and the rest of the nazi holocaust the Jews faced. The Bible is or isn't clear the tribulation will be the worse time to have ever occur before and neither will anytime after it be as bad as it will get in the future? The the Bible correct in saying this or not? But if the tribulation occurred in 70A.D. as a preterist would assert are they not contradicting scripture... Where was the mark of the best required to buy sell or trade in the 70 A.D. period... THere are about 20 more things specific to the tribulation that had yet to come about as written about that occur in the tribulation. Haven't even touched on them but sure seems those who have no regard for God, scripture vs blind idiotic rhetoric want to trouble people with their own personal view...
@@dand4485 Hey Dan, to answer your question you'd have to watch from the beginning of his Matt 24 series. He actually explains a specific coin or something of the sort (i cant remember) which was the money one needed to buy or sell. He reads from a text from one of the authors during the time of 70 A.D. that food was so scarce that people were killing one another for food, eating their own babies & saving parts of their babies for later. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this. I have questions too.
@Dan Doris With all do respect you are the one adding your presuppositions to the text by alluding to the idea that the great tribulation will be the “worse” the Jews will ever endure. Yes, that’s true (sort of) but don’t forget about the overall context. Which Jews does Jesus have in mind? Rabbinic Jews 2,000 years later or Jews who were still under the Mosaic Covenant practicing the temple rituals and ceremonies while the temple was still standing? When Jesus makes this statement “a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will” there’s no mention at all of it being the “worse” (as you so clearly added) that the Jewish people will experience, that’s not even the point that Jesus is getting at. No Jesus is saying that the type of great tribulation that would occur will never happen again because the one that happened in the 1st century (AD 67-70) ended the Old Covenant and destroyed the temple and THAT will never happen again. Jesus when making that statement is making reference to Daniel 12:1 and Ezekiel 5:7-17.
So much Folly in this message. I understand what Jeff is saying, but I don't think he understands what he saying. When did the moon turn to blood and the sun turn black in 70 AD? Paul says the day of Christ will not come until the man of sin is revealed (2Thess 2:1-8), was the man of sin revealed in 70 AD?
@@merlinedmonston3800 I understand that’s what Preterists think, but how can you explain the celestial event that supposed to appear around that same time? No celestial event occurred in70 AD
I find it interesting that those who oppose Jeff on this issue issue do so on the basis of feelings and tradition, this could very well be the reason the church in America is in the state that it is in. Jeff is simply allowing scripture to interpret scripture, and allowing context to guide his exegesis, it seems that that has become unacceptable to those in the church today. It may be time for a second reformation in which we separate from the dispensational/amillennialism/ marcionism that is so prevalent in our day.
I think pastor James is amillennial from what I understand... that exhortation would be a bit inconsistent with Apologia’s standards for eldership, especially since there are many harmonies between postmill and amill (happy to be corrected if in error on that point). But otherwise, your exhortation is very well taken. This sermon edified me and clarified a lot of my own misunderstandings. The Word of God is self-attesting, and the teachings of Dispensationalism and Marcionism are indeed dangerous, critically so. Luke 24:44-47 ESV [44] Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." [45] Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, [46] and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, [47] and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
But there are a large number of people who disagree with Jeff for intellectual reasons, ones not born of feelings or traditions. I'm no expert on eschatology, but books like John MacArthur's "Because the Time is Near," and Robert Thomas's "Revelation: An Exegetical Commentary," as well as works from men like Richard L. Mayhue and Nathan Busenitz make any form of preterism seem a very suspect way of viewing the scriptures.
Well, I think Evangellyfish’s point, as well as the point of Apologia’s eldership on occasion, and other postmillennial or amillennial proponents, is that those very intellectual reasons you mentioned are rooted in deep-seated traditions, planted early on in their thinking about how to interpret the Bible, some from childhood in a surely Christian, albeit dispensational home, for example. John MacArthur, a formidable reformed thinker, has deep roots in dispensational thought, and that surely qualifies (if subconsciously, for lack of better term) his intellectual/exegetical endeavors. I’m unfamiliar with the other writers you mentioned, so I couldn’t comment on them. Evangellyfish’s broad statement “feelings and traditions” is just that, broad, in that not every proponent of a premillennial position holds to it because of pure, anti-intellectual feelings, or explicit traditions that they are blatantly seeking to defend against the exhortation of post/amills. Some have seen the light of reformed exegetical thinking, but still aren’t quite able to escape the deep-rooted exegetical traditions that had been engrained in their thinking during upbringing, and those are undoubtedly hard things to break from, until one can recognize their own traditions and examine them. Again, a difficult process for sure. As stated, I’m happy to be corrected on any points. I want to emulate the noble-mindedness of the Bereans as best I can here.
@@CamJamROC I agree that traditions exist, and the sad fact is that despite how neutral we all try to be, we all have them, at least to a degree. But in examining Thomas's work, I have never seen a more careful and thorough examination of the book of Revelation in Greek. Durbin is a very convincing speaker, and he is correct in so many ways, and I agree with him in so many areas, and I really appreciate the way that he looks at the scriptures in the contexts in which they were written, but whether it is tradition, or the intellectual nature of Thomas's work, I just don't buy the preterist approach. I'll copy again one of Thomas's retorts to a preterist in his day: In questioning Kenneth L. Gentry and his preterism, Dr. Robert L. Thomas, in an article entitled: "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation," he asked: "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matt 24:30; 26:64; Rev 1:7; 2:5, 16, 25; 3:3, 11, 20; 16:15; 22:7, 12, 20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.” This is of course just one example, but preterism (at least in all of my reading) creates more questions than it does answers.
@Lawrence Stanley That’s interesting. Thank you for the quote from Robert Thomas’s work. I’ll definitely look into his writings about this issue. I’m no expert on all the complex facets of eschatology either. There’s a lot more learning I can do from all the positions. I actually haven’t read it yet, but GK Beale of Westminster Seminary (Philly) has a commentary on Revelation, and he’s an amillennialist, or “inaugurated millennialist” as he prefers. From what I’ve read in his other works, he is deeply concerned with surveying alternative conceptions about the topics he addresses, and he carefully examines the writings of other thinkers that don’t share his position, with really helpful and thorough citations and notes. He may or may not handle Thomas’s conception in this way in his Revelation commentary. I would check him out as well, and his other works on eschatology if he has any. Really thorough and helpful reformed scholar. Again, thanks for the cordial conversation. Grace and peace!
Thanks for the message. Can you please explain these words from Zechariah 12, you failed to explain them. If mourning is about judgement on the land and people. Why are they mourning a loss as that of an only Son with reference to the one who is peirced? "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
To answer your question; let's start here. Very few people people understand when "the great tribulation" actually was. It started the Friday before the crucifixion and ended the night of passover when Jesus was confronted with the angel of death. (Remember Exodus - angel of death kills the first born. I.E. "first born" from the dead; son of God was the sacrifice.) Jesus says the tribulation is "cut short" or no flesh would be saved. When was "flesh saved"? That had to do with the atonement. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun is darkened and the moon does not give her light". What happened on the day of the crucifixion? (The sun was darkened.) So the "tribulation" had to have occurred right before the crucifixion. Note the book of Daniel says the "great tribulation" is a week long. So.... what happens when Jesus dies? He said to the thief. "Today you will be with me in paradise." As soon as Jesus died; where did his soul and human spirit go? (The answer to that is in the book of Revelation - I.E. the "lamb as were slain" opens the scroll. Who's with the lamb (who suddenly appear in heaven)? A "great multitude that no man can number." What does the passage say about them? They "came out of great tribulation". So who is "Jerusalem" and "all the peoples of the earth" who see Christ "coming in the clouds of glory". (I'll give you a hint. In that passage; He's not "coming to earth"; He's "coming in the clouds of heaven". (He's going to the Father.) So who are "the tribes of the earth" who all see this happen? (They also see a vast multitude ascend to heaven.) These are all those in sheol who've just witnessed the redeemed ascend to heaven. Remember there was an earthquake at the crucifixion and "the graves were opened" and "many bodies" ..." walked around in the Holy City". (Hint - that's the New Jerusalem in heaven.) Now in Matthew 24; Jesus does talk about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD; but He ALSO talks about the end of the cosmos. "Heaven and earth will pass away; (heaven and earth have not passed away yet) but my words will not". But of that hour (meaning the hour heaven and earth pass away); knows no man, .... but the Father only." Now look at the prophecy in Joel. It's not "the sun is darkened and the moon does not give its light". It's "the sun is turned black as sackcloth of hair and the moon blood read". The "sun darkened and moon gives no light" is the crucifixion. The "sun black as sackcloth of hair and moon blood red" is Judgement Day. The judgement that took place for the sake of the elect, was a foreshadow of the final judgement. When you understand the nature of the atonement; you'll understand that the language concerning tribulation, darkening sun etc; is not talking about the destruction of Jerusalem; it's talking about the atonement. The people weeping (over the Son) is what's happening in the spiritual realm at the point Christ dies. Those that are left behind in Sheol (which constitutes all the people who died before the cross) are the ones mourning. Also, those who die subsequently who find themselves in hades mourn too because they know they will face judgement; because believers "live and reign with Christ" upon their death. That's one major point the post millennialists miss. (The pre-mills miss it on the other side of the coin.) But there is the answer to your question.
@@Cinnamonbuns13 Idk honestly. Whatever Calvinist Christians believe that I'm confused on. If they believe Revelation happened or is happening already or will happen.
@@jamesmarvel7000Regarding Eschatology: Sit down when you have the time and watch: th-cam.com/video/4S0TQ2dXnms/w-d-xo.html Jeff Durbin holds to the view of Doug Wilson (Middle guy) which is called Post Millennial The difference between Covenant and Dispensational Theology is a difference in understanding how God reveals himself to "his people". Generally speaking, Covenant Theology views "Gods people" as first being Israel, and them coming into fulfillment in the Church. Dispensationalism views God's covenants with Israel and the Church as two separate Covenants. Most Calvinists are Covenant Theology.
Matthew 24:33 (NASB95): so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. How would “when you see all these things” apply to just the parable
@@ShepherdMinistry ? the parable is the context, When You see ALL these things, did the people see all these things? NO and the disciples of Jesus own disciples even said as much when they still talked about these things and 2 thes as future events This is my newer channel by the way
@@ShepherdMinistry how do you explain how none of the early church thought this was fulfilled? They all still looked to future event Furthermore He Directly said every eye shall see him if they say he is over here and over there don't believe him? this is directly ref in 2 verses in rev 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. this did not happen you don't see all the tribes of the earth morning and 2 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Here we have the very same events and not only that you have the every eye shall see him When did this happen when did the Kings of the earth and the great and rich men and the commanders hid from him?
Love Jeff's passion preaching the gospel! Eschatology is NOT the gospel, it is not given us to know the hour, I believe it will be obvious in hindsight, just like his first coming, this kind of speculation leads to so much division, our task isn't to make prederists or pretrip, posttrib, it's to disciple all nations and proclaim the gospel.
You should read about how the day and the hour was understood by the first century Jews. It’s not what you think it is. Type in the search bar what did the no man know the day or hour mean to the Jews and how it fits in with the new moon.
@@tiffanywebster9895 thanks for the suggestion, the feasts are fascinating, and the celestial stuff that's so far outside of our worldview, we miss a lot of meaning, the bible is full of stuff we've inserted that would be alien to the original audience, I want to view scripture from it's own perspective, good luck with your own journey.
Amen & Amen, it just comes together the way its, I believe intended. We should not ignore these OT symbols & OT language. Its become so common to except the imposed view of its to us (all scripture, esp Rev & Mat 24) instead of that generation. Scripture is for us not to us
At about 55:23, he mentions the book by Kenneth Gentry... In questioning Kenneth L. Gentry and his preterism, Dr. Robert L. Thomas asked in his "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation:" "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matt 24:30; 26:64; Rev 1:7; 2:5, 16, 25; 3:3, 11, 20; 16:15; 22:7, 12, 20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.” Though expensive, I would recommend Thomas's two volume book: "Revelation: An Exegetical Commentary."
Rev. Isn't something that can be taught. Most of it God has hidden it's meaning having no definitive interpretation to be accepted or understood by people. If I were to tell you the seven churches, which each have a "trial" to overcome, is talking about God establishing seven different types of "levels of spiritual knowledge" that people are born with and everyone who has ever lived belongs to one of those "churches" you would scoff. The body is the temple, church, synagogue of the holy spirit. The word church is being used that way. 'Let the spirit say to all the churches, those that overcome will not be hurt at sll by the "second" death'. The messages are being told to souls who have already experience the FIRST death, death of the body. Each church represents a level of spiritual understanding predetermined by God and your level depends on the church in Rev. you belong to. I'm not saying that the church makes someone better than someone else, just different. BTW, I'll assume you've never heard this before and I'll also assume you think I'm off my rocker. But suffice to say, I'm completely aware of "from what height" I have fallen. Rev 2 reference.
@@lawrencestanley8989 No. I am simply saying what it means. I am not "teaching" because that implies a motivation by me to help someone learn that it is "true" and being convinced they could accept it as true eventually. You either read it and know it because of an innate gift from God or you don't and never can accept it as truth because that's not God's plan for you.
Lawrence Stanley, Cloud coming refers to the coming of the SON OF MAN to judge the nation of the Jews. Christ in very clear language that some of his disciples will not taste death until he comes and he said all the things (events) he predicted in the Olivet Discourse will happen before the passing of his contemporaries. In other words his coming (in judgment) will happen in the first century. In the OT when God comes on the cloud to render judgment it did not involve his personal coming but rather the coming of the powerful armies punishing the object of God's wrath, thus obeying the will of God even though they are not believers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The personal coming of Christ in Acts 1:11 is not "cloud coming". It says just like his ascending to heaven where he was hidden by the cloud at one point of his ascension, he will come down from heaven and he will appear at one point of his descent from the clouds which hid his descent. Nowhere does it says he rides or stand on a cloud when he descend from heaven. According to Peter in Acts 3:21 Christ will remain heaven until the Restoration of all things that is, when death. the last enemy has been defeated and made a footstool of his feet. Thus, his personal coming will be at the end of time when the resurrection takes place. Acts 3:21 , “whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.” 1 Cor. 15:25-26 “For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.” Whereas Christ "coming on clouds" (coming in judgment) in 70 AD does not involve the resurrection of the dead. That is the main difference between the two comings. In 70 AD Christ came in judgment involves the destruction of the Jewish nation through the action of the roman armies (the "People of the Prince" of Daniel 9:26) and the Abomination of Desolation. (The fearsome one who causes destruction).
@@csdr0 You said: *"In the OT when God comes on the cloud to render judgment it did not involve his personal coming but rather the coming of the powerful armies punishing the object of God's wrath"* Be specific; what passages are you referring to? Because we have many passages in the OT, such as Exodus 13:21 where God IS MOST ASSUREDLY present in the cloud - "The LORD was going before them in a pillar of cloud..."
Ok Wiat a second, the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Not to appease the fundamental Baptist, but the KJV is the only translation with a Hebrew or Greek to English translation. In so much that the words are numbered and referenced to every verse, the word is used in the strong concordance. There is nothing like the KJV.
The term in all the land or the inhabited Earth is repeated again in Mathew 24:14. The preaching” in all the inhabited Earth” truly was accomplished in Pauls day. Mathew 24:14 the answer is in the Bible. In some, but not all modern translations there is a miss translation of the Greek phrase oikoumené. (ee-ku-me-nee). This miss translation has sent many a religion down the wrong track. We must see it as the first century people saw it. Hence the words “all the inhabited earth”? in the Bible does not mean the “entire Earth” as we use it today. The context of the verse gives us the answer. The word for “all the inhabited Earth” in Greek is oikoumené. (ee-ku-me-nee) Strong’s Concordance explains its usage as “(properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.” HELPS Word-studies explains it this way: 3625 (oikouménē) literally means “the inhabited (land).” It was “originally used by the Greeks to denote the land inhabited by themselves, in contrast with barbarian countries; afterward, when the Greeks became subject to the Romans, ‘the entire Roman world;’ still later, for ‘the whole inhabited world’ “. So, given this information, we can accurately understand Jesus’ words and intention at Mathew 24:14 if we read it this way: and this good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the known world (the Roman Empire) to all the Gentiles and then the end of Jerusalem will come.
Here is the other thing If YOur interpretation held water you would think the next generation would have also held that belief, But Here Justin Martyr Said otherwise "But if so great a power is shown to have followed and to be still following the dispensation of His suffering, how great shall that be which shall follow His glorious advent! For He shall come on the clouds as the Son of man, so Daniel foretold, and His angels shall come with Him. [Then follows Dan. 7:9-28.] Now there is a scripture about the destruction of the temple but not instead of the end time coming of Christ
The Greek words "parousia" and "erchomenon" seem to be interchangeable and both are defined simply as a "coming or appearance". Jesus exchanges one for the other when describing the exact same event...."parousia" (Matt 24:27) "erchomenon" (Matt 24:30). There is nothing in the greek to indicate that the disciples were asking about a different coming than what Jesus told them it would look like.
In Matt 24, Jesus was asked what the signs would be of the destruction of the Temple, of his appearing, and of the end of the age. But Jesus did not constrain his answers to those questions. In fact, he talked about signs that would typify the entire church age, which they didn’t know about it, and signs that would precede the end of the church age, and the sign that will start the great tribulation. And Jesus talked about rewards in heaven, and he talked about the great white throne judgement. Also, Jesus didn't say that this generation would not pass away before all those things happen. The Greek grammar in the biblical manuscripts includes the Particle _an_ (which denotes the wishes of the speaker) with verbs in the Subjunctive mood (which denotes subjective possibility). In other words, Jesus actually said that he _wished_ that all these things _might_ happen in that generation, but all those things didn’t happen in that generation or even yet, which means they’re in the future.
The Church age is the millennial reign of Christ! He defeated Satan on the criss! He says "all authority has been given to me"! Again, the Catholic Church is that kingdom of God (Christ) on earth until the second coming! Praise Jesus Christ for the Church!
Well there are some good points to back the preterist view, but trying to change the angels to messengers and saying that it’s christians is a real stretch? Not one bible translation translates it as messengers. And they have many educated scholars who actually know the greek language to help translate when making our modern bible versions. I’ve never heard one solid explanation of when Jesus actually sent out His ANGELS in a 70 AD coming? This explanation of this is a real stretch..So when the Angels told the disciples that Jesus was going to come back in the “same way”that they watched Him go, which was visibly in the clouds, did they mean what they said? He didn’t ascend spiritually..It was physically and they watched Him go physically and will return in the same way..So if you don’t buy into the messenger interpretation, which is a stretch of the text, then how else do you explain away the Angels gathering the elect. And when does the Actual resurrection take place? And is the no more DEATH and pain and sorrow figurative also if He came back spiritually already? I think if God wants us to take things literally He makes it very easy to understand. We try and complicate things instead of just trusting His promises that when He returns there actually will be a resurrection and no more death.. I think Paul is very clear here concerning the resurrection not only of Jesus, but of us he wasn’t a spiritual resurrection. It’s a physical resurrection like Jesus said, a spirit does not have flesh and bone like I do. Luke 24:39..we will have the same type of body when we are resurrected like Jesus has. 1 Corinthians 15:13-15 13. If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
Just read Luke and EVEN IF I gave you guys EVERYTHING ELSE< you cant even make the coming in the clouds fit your timeline In luke, Isreal is first judged and left desolate then after that there is the time of the gentiles, however long you want to make it obvious it's not a few days if you want to say a few years even if I gave that to you, ITS ONLY AFTER THAT there are signs in the sun and the mood and all that AFTER THAT is Jesus COming in the clouds,
So Isaiah, Jesus, and John all mention these heavenly signs (Sun going black, Moon to blood, stars fall).... yet because they don't fit with the preterist view that Jeff Durbin holds, they must not be physical literal signs to be viewed.....folly
1 temple was destroyed..and christ is the new 1.yes ...but 1 will still be build..the anti christ will sit in it.. and when the book opens Gods wrath will (after all His (waiting) be pored on the earth..and we with Jesus will come down..Amen Halleluja
I do not think "skin color" is our problem. I think we mistakenly use skin color for sociology/psychology issue because we all come from different walks of life.
Revelation 20, [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. [2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [3] and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. The Second Coming is found in Revelation 6 with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are in the Olivet Discourse. Why are those at the end of the chapter hiding from the wrath of the Lamb unless the Lamb is present? Christ returns in Revelation 11:15-18 with the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead. See John 5:27-30 for Christ's description of the bodily resurrection, and judgment of all the dead. In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing. Christ returns in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew chapter 13. Christ returns "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16. Christ returns in chapter 19. Christ returns when the fire comes, and with the judgment of the dead, at the end of Revelation chapter 20. Unless the Second temple is still standing, Christ was a partial-preterist in the Olivet Discourse. The first part of Luke 21:24 is about the events of 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a reference to the times of the Gentiles. Based on Luke 21:25-28, the Second Coming of Christ occurs when the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness. Paul referred to this same time period in Romans 11:25. Paul also eludes to this time period in Acts 28:28. Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. .
AMEN & AMEN Jeff Durbin IS SPEAKING His Own Theology....& LIES FROM THE DEVIL/SATAN. UNLESS he REPENTS & RENOUNCES his LIES....he Will NOT Enter GOD'S ETERNAL HEAVENLY KINGDOM. PRAY For his Deliverance From Demonic DELUSIONS & FALSE Teaching!!
@@lindanicholason878 Judge not or you will be judged in the same manner in which you judge others. Jeff IS NOT LYING. Lying by definition is knowing the truth but saying something else is true. Jeff believes he is telling the truth. God will not accuse him of lying so neither should you.
@@icanfartloud TRUTH IS TRUTH; It's NOT What you Believe to be Truth...IF IT'S NOT TRUTH, IT IS A LIE. DECEIVING Others With LIES = SIN * We Are To Judge Righteously; The BIBLE Tell us That.
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May I ask Christians out there to pray for me and my fathers family. I’m going to be staying with them for a few months and they’re Mormons. This is my first time interacting with them since I started walking with Christ. We’ve had hard times in the past but I want so bad for them to see the love of the Lord in me. They’re very nice people but very lost. Please keep me in your prayers! Much love and gratitude!
I know the struggle sister, my entire family is catholic and I live with them full time! which is my opinion is far more deceiving than any other religion, I pray that the truth is the gospel reaches their hearts, minds and souls, the truth truly sets you free, in Jesus name I pray, Amen!
mustard seed Thank you!
If you get a chance stick to the meat.
Who is Jesus? Lucifer’s brother or the eternal son of God?
What is the Gospel? Death burial and Resurrection of Jesus is how we’re Saved by grace thru faith! Ephesians 2:8&9
2Nephi25:23 from Book of Mormon says that “we are saved by grace AFTER ALL THAT WE CAN DO”.
once you have now established they have a different Gospel & a different Jesus, take them to Galatians 1 and show them how we’re not supposed to add ANYTHING to the Gospel.
“And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.”
2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV
Joseph Smith was appeared to by an ANGEL OF LIGHT, angel Maroni, that gave him a different Gospel.
Praying for you!
Chad K Great information, thank you!
Praying for you!
Brothers and sisters in Christ, please pray for my wife that her pain be taken away and that Almighty God will grant her comfort.
Is she sick? ❤
@@j.vanbreugel2378 She is getting better but we are not out of the woods yet.
Boom, new paradigm just shifted in my mind.
Read Mark 13 verse 10. Don’t follow these folks
@@brianmichael5620 Read these verses my friend.
Col. 1:5-6 , Col. 1:23 , Romans 10:16-18 , Romans 16:25-26.
Truth comes with effort, but is easily rejected.
Get educated.
Mark 13:10 (KJV) And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
Colossians 1:23 (KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Romans 1:8 (KJV) First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Fulfilled before AD70. "World" is from the Greek meaning "known world" i.e. Roman Empire. See Greek oikemene in Strong's Concordance.
This was amazing and made me worship out loud while cutting the grass just now. Glory! 🙌
If I were Satan and I wanted to place a gigantic stumbling block to the expansion of the Gospel I could not come up with a better system than Dispensationalism. Thank God for men like Pastor Jeff, Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Doug Wilson, Hank Hanegraff, just to name a few. It's too bad that great preachers like John Macarthur, David Jeremiah, and Greg Laurie subscribe to Premillennial Dispensationalism.
@@mikealvarez2322 - Not man decides / determines 'truth'.
God's Word, the Bible, is Truth (John 17, 17).
The crown of thorns epiphany he had with his son, oh man, mind blown too. I love the sermons that provide the historical/cultural context-it gives me a greater appreciation of God’s Providence and the consistency of His Word-and I also love history, so there’s that, too. ☺️
Have you always loved history?
Our Christ has no affiliations but Our Abba. You are always safe with Him. Just draw the line in the sand.❤
I believe you are doing true work of God lately and your sermons keeping focus on showing that Jesus is the promised Christ, bless your ministry brother.
Yes the human being Jesus is the messiah God promised
Just when i couldn't appreciate this guy any more he points people to a body of Christ, right down to the financial support! I know God will bless this ministry! Thank you pastor!
I wish I could find a Pastor like this where I live. Thank Pastor Jeff , God bless you and your family and church family.
I’m always excited to listen to a new sermon by you, Jeff. Thank you for your messages.
Old ideas are hard to overcome, even with the Truth.
Am learning so much from Pastor Jeff. I try to listen to several sermons a week. Am sharing this one for sure- still in a traditional Baptist Church and as I hear all about the Return of Jesus an,d the Rapture I just don’t engage in the discussion- wish I could explain the scriptures to them but just don’t have the skill to tie it all together even though I understand it so well now.
I’ve been a Christian for 40 yrs. At first I was pre mill. A few years ago I thought I was amill. Now I’m leaning to post mill. I’ve studied Revelation at least 9 times and watched countless debates on the various views. I still have questions and wish I had a knowlegable person who could answer them. Tried tweeting Dr White. Maybe he’ll answer in time.
This is the correct interpretation of Matthew 24 (Olivet Discourse). Victorious Eschatology is the biblical perspective rather than the pessimism of the futurists.
Victorious Eschatology...... I love that! I will officially be putting that into my personal teachings from here out.
Amils are not pessimistic at all btw. In the end, Jesus wins! Nothing pessimistic about that.
@@adamcarpenter1869 To them everything we see now must turn to crap. Instead of the covenant breakers and the harlot of Israel in bed with the beast being brought down and a new covenant given through Christ......it's the entire world must be trashed then God will come. After His amazing creation is destroyed by simple sinners?....God was victorious and He gave the WORLD a new covenant and part of that covenant was not that the very same creation be destroyed. God said it will be finished when all of His enemies are placed under His feet. A footstool.
How does that compute to Him coming after the world we live in NOW....after His sacrifice after we get to destroy this new world?
I just got rebuked by the man who saved me for taking the View of the end of the age is past tense not future and he rebuked me in anger and stormed off coz I won’t take the View where in Mathew 16 verse 27 says For the son of man is going to come in his father’s glory with his angels and then he will award each person according to what he has done I tell you the truth some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. I believed that’s past tense and he got so upset rebuked me and stormed off lord man I need your comfort right now being rebuked by the man who got me to finally repent.
@@DEADxVenom when Jesus said that to his disciples’ he was referring to the transfiguration, which happened next when some of the disciples were standing there’ they saw who Christ really was when he was transfigured before them ,and they heard the voice from heaven which was our Heavenly Father. When Jesus said that ‘that was not past tense yet, it is past tense to us. Remember it was Moses and Elijah that showed up , they Represented the law and the Old Testament prophets , and Jesus was standing there in all of his glory and majesty showing that he indeed was the king !the glorious king of heaven. There be some standing here’ Peter , James ,and John. Jesus didn’t lie. Predaterism is false. You should run.
Great sermon thank you Pastor Jeff.
Thank You!
I have been watching and listening to your lessons regarding the end of the Jewish State and the Old Covenant, with total fascination. The way you've explained the Olivet Discourse ; Daniel; and Revelation, has been like turning a key in a rusty lock.
I am FINALLY beginning to understand sections of the Bible which I used to avoid, because they wouldn't make sense whenever I read it as referring to The End of The World.
Jeff here twist scripture the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
@@victorcritelli5790 you just changed look to mourn, and your accusing jeff of twisting scripture?
You and I as part of true Israel (anyone with faith in Christ) mourn for Christ.
@@jpfiero Really dont see what you are saying the full scripture in zach is “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstbord
in rev
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
both look and morn are a part of both statements, So please explain in more detail what you mean?
@@victorcritelli5790 Sorry looks like I misread what you had said.
Jeff does touch on the women weeping as he was on his way to be crucified. Also remember it was a small elite class that wanted him crucified. The nation was judged because they became complicit, they allowed their evil leaders to go against Gods law.
Probably many did mourn, they would have understood this better than we do.
Do you believe "those who pierced him" are still living or will be resurrected to mourn for him?
@@jpfiero Yes if you look at the 2 scriptures it does show that is not just a few women moreover on the way to the cross, Moreover Yes still on the earth yes, Jesus spoke to the pharases as they are the same generation as the fathers, for a reason, Yes even the same as those that slain the prophets, Because men are all of the same sins nothing changes under the sun till his return, right. we are the same as the tower of babble, the same them in the desert who sinned, the same as crucified Jesus,. The world will continue till his return, And wax worse as it is written, In fact it is so wild when I see the lies in the garden You shall not die knowledge to became as god yada yada are the same lies many fall into even to this day, Yes when Jesus was crucified is was from the same spirit Cain had when he killed Able is it not
It’s so funny reading all the comments from angry people. They dismiss all the beauty of all the correlations Jeff made between the Old Testament and the New Testament as well as all the Old Testament prophecies Jesus fulfilled. It was so beautiful! Praise God!!!
I was raised as a pre-tribber but never understood it or accepted it. I’m so glad to have the opportunity now to learn all the other interpretations of eschatology. All I know is that in the end... it will all pan out! Praise God!
The funny thing is if you read the bible you don't need all these newer theologies, Darby chopped up the word and created his own interpretation, Premillennial has been from the beginning without dispensational and pretrib thought, Post millennial has also come about in 1650 and turns the gospel on its head Partial preterism is gross error easily refuted
Jeff here twist scripture the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
@@victorcritelli5790 May I humbly suggest that you not base your understanding on English translations alone. We all hold presuppositions as we approach eschatology and the larger context must be always in view. Do you read the Scriptures with awareness of the literary genre? Do you have an optimistic Gospel? Is Christ's death and resurrection sufficient to save or will God need to bring further judgement? Will the Church ultimately be defeated by the world, requiring her escape? Do we give necessary weight to the OT allusions of judgement and redemption when reading the NT? Hermeneutics is serious business and requires both art and science.
@@mchristr I def don't look at English only, Greek and Hebrew are both important I agree
However, You would have to question why a guy like Jeff or even darby who both go away from scripture, Would have a right understand even though it departs from a plain reading
Many will say like your art and poetry or whatever the catholic church does the same
But then Why do they have when the early Christians (1st 2nd Gen) did not have this understanding? In addition to going away from the clear understanding
Many who are in this camp will lean heavily on the deep study of poetry or other forms of writing their education and how smart they are, In addition, much of what they say is the same reasoning as the catholic church uses
I find this curious too Because the word say this many times in many ways about this
26 For [a]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [b]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [c]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
Truth comes with effort, but is easily rejected. Keep studying with prayer for humility and understanding.
I thoroughly learned a lot from this Bible study. Thank you so much.
I like Jeff's star wars illustration. I find another appropriate application as I scan the comments. It's easy to tell who actually watches the sermons based on questions asked and comments made. We use to joke about students in seminary who asked a whole bunch of questions or raised certain objections after class and we asked, "did you actually pay attention to the lecture, because he/she covered that?" Yeah, same thing... Some of you commenting, if you're not going to watch the sermons, why comment on them. That's not really fair and makes you look kind of silly. Lord bless all of you!
This channel allowing for the download is such a huge blessing. Greetings from Namibia
This was incredible thank you Lord Jesus bless you pastor Jeff
This has been an amazing word! Praise God!
I wish I was there at you’re church listening to those messages as much as possible. The amount of interpretations out there retaining to end times is daunting. I could write a novel on just that thought and the amount of light you just shed from this message alone. I still have a lot more to watch and catch up on from you’re educated and literal explanation of all this, but I can honestly say I’m excited to know and watch more. I feel this is finally, the least confusing, most sensible conclusion to eschatology out there. And I can’t wait to begin watching you’re interpretation of revelation! Praise Jesus, and thank you for what you are doing Pastor Jeff.
Amen!! Thank you!
Please pray for me I am being attacked by dark forces, I went to a church but they said that dark forces do not attack people today
I will pray for you. I know exactly how it feels. And yes demons do exist and still attack people today
Joe Claxton, Thank you sir.
@@freefree526 you're welcome
They are wrong about that. Demonic forces attack us constantly, however, if you are indwelt by the Spirit of God, you cannot be indwelt by a demon. You are protected and sealed by God.
That does not mean that we will not suffer attacks and percecutions. Jesus promised that we will, but that He would be with us, and help us.
I'm glad that you know that you are under attack. This is actually a good thing, my friend. If the demons are attacking you, that means that you are their enemy. Stay strong in your faith. Pray fervently. It's in our lowest, and most difficult moments that the glory of God shines brightest. You may not see it while your in the storm, but it will pass, and you will see the Son again, and come out stronger than you were before the storm. God is faithful and true.
Carlos Craveiro i’ll pray for you in the name of Jesus father hear my prayer may you shield any Christian that is being attacked I pray this in Jesus name amen
How do you dispute this truth. People have a hard time letting go of their prophesy expectations. It’s done
If you had read/watched other points of view in these scriptures you would know that there are difficulties from all main viewpoints on the Olivet discourse
@@OikPoinFive I have no idea what you are talking about in relation to this Jeff durbin sermon on the Olivet discourse???
@@kieranmurphy14 R C Sproul covered the main three views in a video series, available at Ligonier. He started as much, and gave the difficulties of Amellinialsm, Premillennialism, and Postmillennialism. None of the three is air-tight. The dispensationalist argument (rapture, rebuilding the temple, sacrificing of the red heifer, Jews turning en mass to Christ) is altogether a different idea, having been invented in the last century. Jeff should be familiar with these other viewpoints. Sproul has a book on this subject as well. For a deeper dive, check out Lorraine Boettner, "The Milennium."
No eschatology is 100% locked. Sorry, but there are faults with each A-, Pre-, and Post-Millenial eschatologies.
@Curtis Hazen What is yours then, and we will see. That is, pre-, post, or amillenialism? That is the subject I was speaking of, which I'm not sure is actually taken up by Jeff in this sermon. He takes a preterist view. Does he also take a premillienail view? They may not be the same thing. #-millenial refers to the 1000-year reign of Christ. When does it begin? Is it in the Now or the future? Which position do you hold? I do not know which position Jeff holds as I've never heard him say. I have heard James White say on one of his radio shows (Apologia or RFG, not sure) that he is an amillennialist. One could be amillennialist and preterist if the belief if that the Olivet Discours has already occurred and we are now in the church age, and the 1000 year reign of Christ is figurative. I think, unless I'm mistaken, one could also hold a preterist position and premillennial or postmillenial position. Please feel free to delve into the issue and get back before comments are closed. But with evidence, not flippant answers. Im interested to hear the argument for "100% locked" since for 2000 years a lock has evaded all the giants of the faith.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23
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Mind blown! Very interesting.
(I'm not your pastor) wow!! Lots of people get wrapped up on the Internet when they need to fellowship in person with like minded people I appreciate that message pastor Durban good on you brother keep up the good work
It is difficult finding like minded people. Here in the Philippines, most churches are fundamentalist premillennialist which I would like to avoid. Premillers postpones the kingdom when in Luke it was made clear to never be postponed.
So then forget about and every eye shall see him? Forget about Christ will come back the same way he ascended?
The only way the premill position can be proven is if you change the nature of how context works. You have to redefine the methodology of how to properly read contextually as well as redefining words such as “age”, “generation”, “this”, “you”, ect. It takes a great deal of textual gymnastics to arrive there.
goldenreel Amen brother. We have a standard for interpreting scripture if everyone followed it we would have unity and the correct understanding of Scripture.
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I agree most of the Olivet Discourse is about the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century... however, I also see parts of this referring also to the time when Christ physically returns to raise the dead, judge the world in righteousness, and usher in the eternal state. That, and there are many times that the Bible uses a prophecy to point to one thing close in time to the time the prophet is speaking, but also at the same time referring to another event - often Christs' first or second coming - in the same breath. We see this frequently in prophecies the NT says are fulfilled in Christ's first coming, and yet were also fulfilled in an event much earlier in time. While I agree that dispensationalism and many forms of challism, or premillenialism, can be misleading - the other extreme, where one reacts to it - can be misleading as well. Jesus IS coming back: today, tomorrow, 2000 years from now, we don't know when, and he will physically and will defeat death.
I agree. I haven't been able to find where Jeff D describes how Christ will actually return with scriptures to back it up.
Yes I am also waiting to hear exactly what's next. I do love his defense on other topics though he does a great job.
@@markdoherty754 He mentioned it briefly in the video, 1 Corinthians 15. This chapter talks about the resurrection. It says Christ must reign until all of His enemies have been made a footstool. Death is the final enemy, which is conquered by the resurrection. So, the question you're probably asking is, when or how does his reign conclude? Will the world enter some type of "golden age" where all the nations of the earth become Theocratic Christian? Post-millenialists, like Jeff, believe so.
I'm not so sure; although the only scriptural objection I have is more of a big picture symbolic one, rather than any specific passage. This progression to a "golden age" is just not what I see happening through the last 2000 years of history. What I see is a repeating cycle of nations rising and falling, from which God preserves a remnant faithful to himself. The patterns described in the Biblical prophecies seem to emerge again and again. The beasts (empires), the whore of Babylon (the unfaithful), the anti-Christ; they've all come and gone many times. My logical conclusion is the cycle will repeat until it happens on a global level, rather than national.
I hold more to an A-millenial view. The only thing Posties and A-Mils really disagree on is the condition of the world when Christ returns. Regardless, when He does, that's a wrap; resurrection, new heaven, new earth and an eternity face to face with Him.
Christ has already defeated death. The moment we are born again, we pass from death to life. We are literally changed in the twinkling of an eye. We are ALREADY seated in heavenly places.
Would you be open to a suggestion? In the Title (ie: 'Coming on the Clouds') could you include the scripture covered? Also in the Playlists have separate playlists for each book of the Bible? As in this one would be included under 'Matthew'. It's amazing how many times I come here to hear your perspective on a certain area. Thanks for this amazing gift!
Jesus also clearly said that all these things happen immediately after the tribulation of those days.... so if all these have been fulfilled, that means we're already past the 7 year tribulation. Which is folly, because Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation take place, run to the mountains. Revelation 6 gives us a detailed description of people running and hiding themselves in the mountains because the wrath of God is now come
In order to accept Jeff's interpretation of this Scripture, you also have to believe that Revelation was written before the destruction of the second temple. Going against every mainstream scholar who clearly states that Revelation was written sometime between 90-95 AD. John clearly writes in Revelation 14 about Jesus coming on the clouds with angels to gather believers. John is writing as if it's a future event that has not happened, if he is writing anytime after 70 AD there is no way the preterist view holds up.....
Absolutely agree with you. We can’t throw out Revelation. Not to mention that the Jews are ready to rebuild the temple and have everything ready to go, we are seeing many prophecies happen right now. God is not finished with the Jews. Sorry, but the preterist view doesn’t work.
@@Kitkat7826 For sure, I wonder why so many Christians fall for this teaching. He said at one point "really....an actual cloud....Jesus is going to be riding an actual physical cloud...?" Implying that he's not. I wonder what he thinks was floating above the heads of the Israelites wandering in the wilderness?
Jeff says towards the end of the sermon that he believes John wrote it during his exile to Patmos.
@@lonestarstate6570 many Christians are believing it because they're not continually and consistently reading the Word of God.. don't forget everybody the goal is to think of every scripture at the same time.. impossible? Yes, in the flesh with the carnal mind but with the power and teaching of His Holy Spirit it is possible, trust me , doesn’t happen overnight or even in a few years, takes time.. I myself am still working on it after 23yrs
@@Hmmm7512 If you follow your advice and consistently read the word of God, more specifically the gospel of Matthew, you’ll find he uses the word generation numerous amount of times. The term generation is used by Jesus as well, he addresses the people of Israel and tells his disciples “this” generation, not “that” generation. Jesus is specifically talking to the 1st Century and the connotations of the scriptures imply that Matthew is consistent with his understanding and translation. Jesus may have in fact already come, the Great tribulation is over, if anything, it is a blessing! To know we are in the final stretch, to glorify GOD, and to sing his praise! Think about it, the devil will soon be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity, and we will be with our KING Yeshua!
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So, you don't think Jesus will return on the clouds? You don't think he will return as he left like the angels said he would?
I have listened to two or three hours of him talking. Can anyone tell me where on this video he explains the verses in the title of this video? Does he deny that this is the second coming of Christ? Does he deny this is the rapture spoken of in first Thessalonians chapter 4?
Nothing is better to hear the laughter of thy HOSTS and Heirs and our beautiful Sisters innocents YOUNGS SONS AND DAUGHTERS. INDEED is SOOTHING TO HEAR AND FOOD unto our God and the SON OF MEN. For the Kingdom of God made for THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES. REMEMBER YESHUA JESUS CHRIST SAID DO NOT DENY THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES UNBORN AND BORN. REMEMBER YESHUA JESUS CHRIST SAID, UNTO ALL WHO DENY THESE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES. LOVE YOU BELOVED HOSTS AND HEIRS JEFF. NOTHING IS WASTED BUT INCREASED. FOR SINCERE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE GIVEN SINCERE ANSWERS. JEFF LOVE YOU YESHUA MADE KINGS AND PRIEST. INDEED WHO ARE WORTH RESPECTING, HONORING, LOVING, AND GIVING MY LIFE FOR A FRIEND KIND OF LOVE.
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About 20 years ago I had a dream rode 2 diff chariots 1 one w ox man lion eagle 2 chariot w a man dressed in armor I in sack cloath there was much more to the dream . Also about 3 weeks later I went to library picked up 5 angel books 3 book opened I seen my dream on a page it referred to ezekiel
I know I'm late to the party but what about " He shall rule the nation's with a rod iron" ? I interpret that by He is not yet until the "fulness of the gentiles come in" and the world goes thru the greatest tribulation as ever has been on earth", "to try them that dwell on the earth" , and then the great wrath of God is poured out upon all those who took the mark of the beast for they could not buy, sell or trade without that mark..? Alot of scriptures getting left out here brothers and sisters, never fully embrace a man's interpretation and system.. I say that from studying Gods Word for many many years and learned not to embrace no system,.. postmillennialism is a system, be careful. But! One thing we all do is , no matter where your at in your walk with the Lord, preach the gospel fervently and with passion and study His Word every chance you get, go sell all you have and buy that pearl of great price!
God bless you and your ministry. P.s Can you please do a study on the Genesis 6 Nephilim giants
and their spirits trapped here on earth? Thank you very much.
I second that motion
Ancient peoples had one all consuming concern. Water and Sunshine. Without water and sunshine, no food. No food no life. Everyday was greeted with the need for rain and sunshine.
They believed the gods controlled the rain and sunshine. This is why they worshipped the gods. To keep them happy.
The gods were the ones who “rode the clouds” and “came with the clouds” and “revealed themselves “in the clouds” The ancient Canaanite god Baal was called “the cloud rider.”
In the first century if you claimed you would “come in the clouds,” you would have been understood by everyone that you were claiming to be God!
I would love Jeff to debate Don Preston on corinthians 15
Don Preston is a CBV why not instead try and debate an IBV. Don Preston would beat Jeff on the time statements while an IBV would win him on the nature.
Read Dan Harden's book on "Overcoming Sproul's Resurrection Obstacles"
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1 Thessalonians 4, [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them *in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Revelation 1, [7] Behold, he cometh *with clouds;* and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Zekariah 12-14
Daniel 7, [13] I saw in the night visions, and behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man, and he came up even to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Matthew 24, 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the land lament, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I was a jehovahs witness please talk
Could someone point me to the passage(s) that Pastor Jeff refers to regarding Yahweh taking the same path that Jesus took before the destruction of the second temple? I'm looking for the Old Testament verses. Thank you!
I have been following Jeff Durbin and his street encounters and now have been marvelled to hear him preaching over Matthew 24 over the series of videos. Because of his love and respect for the work of God i would love you to pass on this message to him so that he might step further into his knowledge regarding the spiritual misconceptions.
1. Satan - The word Satan (Hebrew: יֵצֶר הַרַע yēṣer haraʿ) as it states in Wikipedia is the inclination of mans’ heart desire to do evil things in opposition to the will of God. I will point out three bible clear illustrations.
Job - In the book of Job, his friends went before God and driven by jealousy asked God to put Job in test to then deny God. Proof of this is found at the of the book when God decides to punish the three friends and not "satan". If it was the religious “satan", why would God want to punish Job’s friends? It is clear that they were jealous in opposition to God’s blessing upon Job’s life.
Apostle Peter - In Matthew 16:23, Jesus rebukes the apostle Peter for trying to oppose (satan) the will/work of God on the cross. Clearly Peter could not have been possessed by a supposed spiritual entity (so called Satan) and then later on being given the keys to the Kingdom of heaven. Jesus makes it very clear as well when He says "for you mind not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”, meaning that Peter did not comprehend the plans of God as he tries to oppose Jesus’ crucifixion.
Jesus’ temptation - Here is another very easy and clear passage where Jesus is being tempted by his fleshly desires, like we are tempted and fail but he instead subdued his flesh and being God did not use his power to satisfy his body. Had Jesus (being God) had turned the stones in bread and had failed in any of the other temptations his body presented to him, he would not have been fully man and therefore would not have been righteous on the cross to remove our sins. Paul in the book of Romans 7 and 8 explains clearer then water what Jesus was going through and we all humans go through and fail in life, that is the fight of our flesh against the spirit of God that lives within us.
2. Hell (in its 3 variations)- Sheol (/ˈʃiːoʊl/ SHEE-ohl, /-əl/; Hebrew: שְׁאוֹל Šəʾōl) in Hebrew only means the “place of darkness” where the dead go, throughout the bible this word is used to describe grave and nothing else. Then the word is translated into Greek Hades (/ˈheɪdiːz/; Greek: ᾍδης Hádēs; Ἅιδης Háidēs) which has the same conotation of being a place where the dead go/rest. Now the work Gehenna (/ɡɪˈhɛnə/, /ɡəˈhɛnə/[1]) or Gehinnom (literally translated as "Valley of Hinnom”) was a place at the outskirts of Jerusalem where the Kings would make their sacrifices killing their children (Jeremiah 7:31) and later their enemies of war. There is no hell such as religion created, being the phisical place where the sinner would go to, we only need to understand which of the three words are being used on the text and apply its meaning to the text. In the book of revelation where it says about the “Lake of Fire” read and understand that the words lake of fire is another figure of speech and not a literal place and it simply means what the text says: The second death (Revelation 20:14 "the spiritual death") the one that Jesus conquered on the cross of which has no power of God’s people the church, the bride, the new Jerusalem, etc. The sinners and the non-believers will be going to eternal shame which is also the lake of fire, our spirits will return to God and their spirits will die and will not dwell in the presence of God. The 20 centure idea of hell is the creation of religion to slave peaple into their doctrines creating fear and captivity, which is “satan” the opposite desire of God for our lives.
I would love to have an open conversation with brother Jeff Durbin.
Above anything else, I would like to say that I appreciate the work God is doing though Jeff bringing understanding of the word of God and freeing God’s people from religion.
God speaks with Satan in Job.
Christ speaks to Satan in the wilderness.
Satan is an actual being.
@@robertknight3354 my brother.
God did not speak to an actual spirit being. Read Job 1:6 you will see that the sons of God presented before him. You must understand that the Jewish people from that time did not believe in "satan" as you do. Look at the bible and you'll see that God made things happen according to his will and not an evil spiritual being as religion preaches.
The bible does not make any reference to satan as a being, instead it makes it very clear that "satan" is everything that opposes God will.
Jesus speaks to his flesh, like you and I often do when we find ourselves questioning whether we should or should not do something. When you are hungry and go to a supermarket you go talking to yourself thinking: "what should I get". Or when you did something you know you shouldnt have, then you say: "i shouldnt have done that". Jesus like us was tempted by his flesh but did what we cannot do, subdued it.
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15"
I know it's not easy to have lived most of our lives with the conception given by religion about a word (satan) and now facing a different reality.
Brother examine the word God and he might open your eyes to see the truth I speak. The religious satan is a man-made creature to cause people to fear and run into their temples.
Bless you brother.
@@edujesus3866 I'm not hanging onto it as tradition. I simply don't take the word the way you are. I personally feel you are the one viewing it incorrectly but as long as both of us are always seeking the word of God and are both adopted into His Kingdom then we are brothers who disagree.
Have a good week, weekend. Bless you.
What do you mean by reformed? I’m looking for a church and I love your sermons. I’ve been recently saved out of the new age occult and really wanna find a home.
A reformed Christian holds to the 5 solas as well as the 5 points of Calvinism. A reformed church believes and teaches those doctrines
At what point during his ascension did Jesus' body cross the firmament and enter heaven? I'm looking for specificity here, like was it before or after he escaped the earth's atmosphere?
Since he's God he probably just teleported.
Wow!!!!
amen
Is Jesus a faithful Jew, a servant of God or is he God in the flesh?
So what hope do we have if isn’t coming? I don’t get it.
What about when the angel said we would see Jesus return the same way he left after the ascension..?
yep and in the end the book opening and Gods wrath is pored out
You made find these historical accounts interesting. scienceandbibleresearch.com/angels-in-the-clouds.html
Great point, there are many problems like this with the Amillennial eschatological view though I do like it. I'm currently studying this interpretation out and weighing it against a Post Wrath Rapture view which I currently hold. The most basic thing that I like about the Amillenial teaching though is that it is empowering ,and like Jeff said, makes us think about the future in a different way. Having trouble reconciling it completely with the scripture so I'm taking the "hope for the best (Amillennnial) prepare for the worst (Post Wrath Rapture)" approach.
@@mongoosemojo8041 I like a lot of this stuff too but the problems with it are sticking out like a sore thumb. Not sure why he doesn't believe in double fulfillment as many old testament prophesies were. I honestly think Pre-millenialism is the best case scenario. But I agree with your comment that Amillenialism gives you a different perspective and an urgency toward evangelism. God doesn't do anything without telling his people. Amillenialism basically leaves us at a cliff hanger because we don't know what to look for or know how it's all going to conclude
@@nickkoehler1617 I agree, double fulfillment is the pattern but he's hanging on the "this generation will not pass away before all these things are fulfilled" which is legitimate stand I think. Again there are glaring problems with this like the promise of Satan being bound, if he's bound now I'd be astonished to see what the world would be like if he was free. Haven't heard all the teaching on this view but I'm in study on it. Until I see the bigger picture here I gotta stay with Post Wrath Rapture Tribulation perspective.
I'll give a hundred bucks to the first person to show me where in the Hebrew or Greek of the Bible there is any mention of the end of the physical cosmos. I can find none; only the end of the old covenant age.
The prophecy of Jesus coming in the clouds in Matthew 24 is either a literal meaning or symbolic. Many people are looking up expecting to see 2nd coming Jesus to come from the sky on a cloud (or in a cloud or behind the cloud) not sure. But if it has a parabolic meaning, then those thinking it's a literal cloud will miss His 2nd coming. And vice versa would obviously be true too.
Well we can understand which it is by looking at a prophecy in Daniel 7 about the 1st coming of Jesus.
In Daniel 7:13-14, Daniel saw the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power [kingdom]. Then who is it that came 2000 years ago and was given these 3 things? Yes, it was Jesus. He said he was given authority (Matthew 28:18-20). He was given glory (John 17:10, 22, 24). And He was given a kingdom (Luke 22:29-30).
So we can see that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in Daniel 7:13-14. But the prophecy given to Daniel as a vision, saw him coming with the clouds of heaven. Then, did Jesus fulfill this by coming down in a LITERAL cloud in the sky? Of course not. He came from heaven IN THE FLESH. No wonder the Jews found it hard to believe that Jesus was the one who was to come. Even now, they are still waiting for his 1st coming looking up at the sky.
Then what should we understand when Jesus told his disciples that his 2nd coming will be in the same way? Yes, he is to come born in the flesh again. He will restore the truth in the last days. The dark ages and the reign of the little horn [Roman Papacy] has passed. Now the 2nd coming Christ has come when the Fig Tree [Israel] came back to life in 1948 as prophesied in Matthew 24:32-35 and Jeremiah 30:1-9.
All peoples are coming out of Babylon [ALL the false apostate churches of today] and are streaming to Mount Zion as prophesied in Micah 4:1-2 to learn the ways of the Lord.
That's why in Revelation 12:17 and revelation 14:12 describe the saints as those who obey God's commandments.
The truth of the new covenant has been restored by the 2nd coming Christ in these last days. We are given life giving water [rain] from the true one who came in a cloud. Praise God.
So what does Jeff believe about the end of time ? What will happen ?
Jeff is a Partial Preterist, meaning he believes most of the end times prophecies were fulfilled in the 1st century, specifically at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and her temple in AD 70. This is a legitimate claim because “end times” doesn’t explicitly mean end of human history but in context is referring to the end of the age, specifically the end of the Old Covenant and the Jewish Economy. Jeff also believes in Postmillennialism (as opposed to to the popular view today which is Dispensational Premillennialism). This view teaches that through history the Gospel will succeed in every facet of life, or in other words is an eschatology of victory and Christ reigns supreme and is the victor over the nations of the world by the succession of the Great Commission. In the Postmill and Partial Preterist view of eschatology, there is no future of doom and gloom (although this can occur in some nations for a time, but not permanently) but seeing the world as a whole in the span of time being discipled and under the authority of Christ and His Gospel.
I too adhere to this position.
If Jesus ushered in the kingdom with his first Advent what does the usher in with the second Advent?
Final judgement, second resurrection (bodily resurrection), new heavens and new earth.
Wow Praise God ! I get it ! One question , you said you were going to read from the KJV but the wording you read was slightly different but the same so what were you reading from , version I mean . So far I'm having a serious problem finding a church that believes this way in Cincinnati Ohio .
@Rob_Hawk when he read which verse?
I'll help you find it if I can :)
@@gavin_hill Most of his reading , he says I'm going to read from the kjv , but its all more like the way we speak today . Yesterday I bought the NKJV truthfully I think this might be what he's using . Something else is confusing me now though . Jeff teaches that this rapture thing is all wrong , ok I don't have issue with that except I'm having a problem finding a church or anyone that agrees with it . I'm only a few months old in Christ and have been looking for a sound church....this is proving to be a tall order . Cincinnati Ohio
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I hear you, the prominent teaching in a lot of western churches it premillenial eschatology (End times doctrine)
Jeff is speaking about post millenial and there is still yet some who hold to 'amillenial'
What Jeff often says is important and the scripture agrees, is to be plugged in to a local body of believers that you are accountable to and that you are able to grow with.
Look for a church that preaches the gospel as found in scripture and that is faithful to God's word.
I am from Australia, but I had a look on google maps and there seems to be a few around, I would suggest go to a church each Sunday until you find one that you feel lead to be a part of.
Also on the versions, if you do not find a KJV bible easy to read and understand I would suggest an ESV bible or a NASB.
Keep faithful to Jesus, brother.
@@gavin_hill Thank you so much Brother . I gotta say I've been very upset lately , this has helped tremendously , Thank You again
@@gavin_hill I've made a couple TH-cam videos for God , never made a video in my life but I gave it a try
What's interesting about Isaiah 13 is it followed by Isaiah 14 which talks about the real king of Babylon but then switches to speaking of Satan and about his end at the end of THIS age SO you, Being this happened in Isaiah 14 wouldn't it make sense this same thing happened in the accompanying Isaiah 13 talking about the literal Babylone but also in the middle talking about the end time
Sad to see Pastor Durbin assert coming to the text with a presupposition of the text in Matt 24 and assert a preterist view is the correct view. So was the period of the destruction of the temple in 70 a time that is worse than all other days, was there many saying Here is the Christ or there is Christ as spoken in Matt 24, the very text he is using to prove a preterist view...? I love listening to Pastor Durbin as it seem he has a real heart for God, and will be honest i'm so pre *Everything* (wrath, tribulation, or what ever...) I'm simply pre-pre. Could never hold to a Presterist view, as it seems Pastor Durbin holds to and asserts as correct... But even his explanation to support a Preterist view falls far, very far short with scripture, even the passage he want to assert (Matt 24) as his best support, would say works so strongly against his points he might make...
Dan Doris if you read the historical writings of people like Josephus, who lived through the events in 70 A.D., you will understand why Jesus used that language. There was blood flowing through the streets it was so bloody.
@@jwalkermtnr Was it as bad as say Auschwitz and the rest of the nazi holocaust the Jews faced. The Bible is or isn't clear the tribulation will be the worse time to have ever occur before and neither will anytime after it be as bad as it will get in the future? The the Bible correct in saying this or not? But if the tribulation occurred in 70A.D. as a preterist would assert are they not contradicting scripture... Where was the mark of the best required to buy sell or trade in the 70 A.D. period... THere are about 20 more things specific to the tribulation that had yet to come about as written about that occur in the tribulation. Haven't even touched on them but sure seems those who have no regard for God, scripture vs blind idiotic rhetoric want to trouble people with their own personal view...
@@dand4485 Hey Dan, to answer your question you'd have to watch from the beginning of his Matt 24 series. He actually explains a specific coin or something of the sort (i cant remember) which was the money one needed to buy or sell. He reads from a text from one of the authors during the time of 70 A.D. that food was so scarce that people were killing one another for food, eating their own babies & saving parts of their babies for later. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this. I have questions too.
@Dan Doris
With all do respect you are the one adding your presuppositions to the text by alluding to the idea that the great tribulation will be the “worse” the Jews will ever endure. Yes, that’s true (sort of) but don’t forget about the overall context. Which Jews does Jesus have in mind? Rabbinic Jews 2,000 years later or Jews who were still under the Mosaic Covenant practicing the temple rituals and ceremonies while the temple was still standing? When Jesus makes this statement “a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will” there’s no mention at all of it being the “worse” (as you so clearly added) that the Jewish people will experience, that’s not even the point that Jesus is getting at. No Jesus is saying that the type of great tribulation that would occur will never happen again because the one that happened in the 1st century (AD 67-70) ended the Old Covenant and destroyed the temple and THAT will never happen again. Jesus when making that statement is making reference to Daniel 12:1 and Ezekiel 5:7-17.
Is there a playlist?
It started with "we've been in this a while".
Yeah someone put a playlist together, just search "Jeff Durbin, Matthew 24)
So much Folly in this message. I understand what Jeff is saying, but I don't think he understands what he saying. When did the moon turn to blood and the sun turn black in 70 AD? Paul says the day of Christ will not come until the man of sin is revealed (2Thess 2:1-8), was the man of sin revealed in 70 AD?
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@@merlinedmonston3800 I understand that’s what Preterists think, but how can you explain the celestial event that supposed to appear around that same time? No celestial event occurred in70 AD
Could you explain in another video your views on tithing
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I find it interesting that those who oppose Jeff on this issue issue do so on the basis of feelings and tradition, this could very well be the reason the church in America is in the state that it is in. Jeff is simply allowing scripture to interpret scripture, and allowing context to guide his exegesis, it seems that that has become unacceptable to those in the church today. It may be time for a second reformation in which we separate from the dispensational/amillennialism/ marcionism that is so prevalent in our day.
I think pastor James is amillennial from what I understand... that exhortation would be a bit inconsistent with Apologia’s standards for eldership, especially since there are many harmonies between postmill and amill (happy to be corrected if in error on that point). But otherwise, your exhortation is very well taken. This sermon edified me and clarified a lot of my own misunderstandings. The Word of God is self-attesting, and the teachings of Dispensationalism and Marcionism are indeed dangerous, critically so.
Luke 24:44-47 ESV
[44] Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." [45] Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, [46] and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, [47] and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
But there are a large number of people who disagree with Jeff for intellectual reasons, ones not born of feelings or traditions. I'm no expert on eschatology, but books like John MacArthur's "Because the Time is Near," and Robert Thomas's "Revelation: An Exegetical Commentary," as well as works from men like Richard L. Mayhue and Nathan Busenitz make any form of preterism seem a very suspect way of viewing the scriptures.
Well, I think Evangellyfish’s point, as well as the point of Apologia’s eldership on occasion, and other postmillennial or amillennial proponents, is that those very intellectual reasons you mentioned are rooted in deep-seated traditions, planted early on in their thinking about how to interpret the Bible, some from childhood in a surely Christian, albeit dispensational home, for example.
John MacArthur, a formidable reformed thinker, has deep roots in dispensational thought, and that surely qualifies (if subconsciously, for lack of better term) his intellectual/exegetical endeavors. I’m unfamiliar with the other writers you mentioned, so I couldn’t comment on them.
Evangellyfish’s broad statement “feelings and traditions” is just that, broad, in that not every proponent of a premillennial position holds to it because of pure, anti-intellectual feelings, or explicit traditions that they are blatantly seeking to defend against the exhortation of post/amills.
Some have seen the light of reformed exegetical thinking, but still aren’t quite able to escape the deep-rooted exegetical traditions that had been engrained in their thinking during upbringing, and those are undoubtedly hard things to break from, until one can recognize their own traditions and examine them. Again, a difficult process for sure.
As stated, I’m happy to be corrected on any points. I want to emulate the noble-mindedness of the Bereans as best I can here.
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I agree that traditions exist, and the sad fact is that despite how neutral we all try to be, we all have them, at least to a degree. But in examining Thomas's work, I have never seen a more careful and thorough examination of the book of Revelation in Greek. Durbin is a very convincing speaker, and he is correct in so many ways, and I agree with him in so many areas, and I really appreciate the way that he looks at the scriptures in the contexts in which they were written, but whether it is tradition, or the intellectual nature of Thomas's work, I just don't buy the preterist approach.
I'll copy again one of Thomas's retorts to a preterist in his day:
In questioning Kenneth L. Gentry and his preterism, Dr. Robert L. Thomas, in an article entitled: "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation," he asked: "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matt 24:30; 26:64; Rev 1:7; 2:5, 16, 25; 3:3, 11, 20; 16:15; 22:7, 12, 20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.”
This is of course just one example, but preterism (at least in all of my reading) creates more questions than it does answers.
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That’s interesting. Thank you for the quote from Robert Thomas’s work. I’ll definitely look into his writings about this issue. I’m no expert on all the complex facets of eschatology either. There’s a lot more learning I can do from all the positions.
I actually haven’t read it yet, but GK Beale of Westminster Seminary (Philly) has a commentary on Revelation, and he’s an amillennialist, or “inaugurated millennialist” as he prefers.
From what I’ve read in his other works, he is deeply concerned with surveying alternative conceptions about the topics he addresses, and he carefully examines the writings of other thinkers that don’t share his position, with really helpful and thorough citations and notes. He may or may not handle Thomas’s conception in this way in his Revelation commentary. I would check him out as well, and his other works on eschatology if he has any. Really thorough and helpful reformed scholar.
Again, thanks for the cordial conversation. Grace and peace!
Thanks for the message. Can you please explain these words from Zechariah 12, you failed to explain them. If mourning is about judgement on the land and people. Why are they mourning a loss as that of an only Son with reference to the one who is peirced?
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
To answer your question; let's start here. Very few people people understand when "the great tribulation" actually was.
It started the Friday before the crucifixion and ended the night of passover when Jesus was confronted with the angel of death. (Remember Exodus - angel of death kills the first born. I.E. "first born" from the dead; son of God was the sacrifice.)
Jesus says the tribulation is "cut short" or no flesh would be saved. When was "flesh saved"? That had to do with the atonement. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun is darkened and the moon does not give her light". What happened on the day of the crucifixion? (The sun was darkened.) So the "tribulation" had to have occurred right before the crucifixion.
Note the book of Daniel says the "great tribulation" is a week long.
So.... what happens when Jesus dies? He said to the thief. "Today you will be with me in paradise." As soon as Jesus died; where did his soul and human spirit go? (The answer to that is in the book of Revelation - I.E. the "lamb as were slain" opens the scroll.
Who's with the lamb (who suddenly appear in heaven)? A "great multitude that no man can number." What does the passage say about them? They "came out of great tribulation".
So who is "Jerusalem" and "all the peoples of the earth" who see Christ "coming in the clouds of glory". (I'll give you a hint. In that passage; He's not "coming to earth"; He's "coming in the clouds of heaven". (He's going to the Father.) So who are "the tribes of the earth" who all see this happen? (They also see a vast multitude ascend to heaven.) These are all those in sheol who've just witnessed the redeemed ascend to heaven. Remember there was an earthquake at the crucifixion and "the graves were opened" and "many bodies" ..." walked around in the Holy City". (Hint - that's the New Jerusalem in heaven.)
Now in Matthew 24; Jesus does talk about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD; but He ALSO talks about the end of the cosmos. "Heaven and earth will pass away; (heaven and earth have not passed away yet) but my words will not". But of that hour (meaning the hour heaven and earth pass away); knows no man, .... but the Father only."
Now look at the prophecy in Joel. It's not "the sun is darkened and the moon does not give its light". It's "the sun is turned black as sackcloth of hair and the moon blood read". The "sun darkened and moon gives no light" is the crucifixion. The "sun black as sackcloth of hair and moon blood red" is Judgement Day. The judgement that took place for the sake of the elect, was a foreshadow of the final judgement.
When you understand the nature of the atonement; you'll understand that the language concerning tribulation, darkening sun etc; is not talking about the destruction of Jerusalem; it's talking about the atonement. The people weeping (over the Son) is what's happening in the spiritual realm at the point Christ dies. Those that are left behind in Sheol (which constitutes all the people who died before the cross) are the ones mourning. Also, those who die subsequently who find themselves in hades mourn too because they know they will face judgement; because believers "live and reign with Christ" upon their death.
That's one major point the post millennialists miss. (The pre-mills miss it on the other side of the coin.) But there is the answer to your question.
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@@NNaadah do you have resources on this view.
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@@RobMcD845 - what resources do you want?
Curious do Calvinist Christians believe Revelation happend already or is currently happening?
Depends, John Macarthur who is a dispensationalist is pretrib with Calvin theology.. most hold covenant theology.
@@bornagainministries3656 I'm still confused on the theology.
@@jamesmarvel7000 Are you confused on Covenant or Dispensational theology, or both?
@@Cinnamonbuns13 Idk honestly. Whatever Calvinist Christians believe that I'm confused on. If they believe Revelation happened or is happening already or will happen.
@@jamesmarvel7000Regarding Eschatology: Sit down when you have the time and watch:
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Jeff Durbin holds to the view of Doug Wilson (Middle guy) which is called Post Millennial
The difference between Covenant and Dispensational Theology is a difference in understanding how God reveals himself to "his people". Generally speaking, Covenant Theology views "Gods people" as first being Israel, and them coming into fulfillment in the Church. Dispensationalism views God's covenants with Israel and the Church as two separate Covenants. Most Calvinists are Covenant Theology.
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This Generation applies in CONTEXT to the PARABLE of the FIG TREE
Matthew 24:33 (NASB95): so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.
How would “when you see all these things” apply to just the parable
@@ShepherdMinistry ? the parable is the context, When You see ALL these things, did the people see all these things?
NO and the disciples of Jesus own disciples even said as much when they still talked about these things and 2 thes as future events
This is my newer channel by the way
@@appointedaday Nothing in the grammar changes from vv.4-34. Go read how many times He says “you”.
@@ShepherdMinistry how do you explain how none of the early church thought this was fulfilled?
They all still looked to future event
Furthermore He Directly said every eye shall see him if they say he is over here and over there don't believe him?
this is directly ref in 2 verses in rev
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
this did not happen you don't see all the tribes of the earth morning
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2 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Here we have the very same events and not only that you have the every eye shall see him
When did this happen when did the Kings of the earth and the great and rich men and the commanders hid from him?
@@ShepherdMinistry how do you explain how none of the early church thought this was fulfilled?
They all still looked to future event
Love Jeff's passion preaching the gospel! Eschatology is NOT the gospel, it is not given us to know the hour, I believe it will be obvious in hindsight, just like his first coming, this kind of speculation leads to so much division, our task isn't to make prederists or pretrip, posttrib, it's to disciple all nations and proclaim the gospel.
You should read about how the day and the hour was understood by the first century Jews. It’s not what you think it is. Type in the search bar what did the no man know the day or hour mean to the Jews and how it fits in with the new moon.
@@tiffanywebster9895 I will look into it thank you
@@tiffanywebster9895 thanks for the suggestion, the feasts are fascinating, and the celestial stuff that's so far outside of our worldview, we miss a lot of meaning, the bible is full of stuff we've inserted that would be alien to the original audience, I want to view scripture from it's own perspective, good luck with your own journey.
Amen & Amen, it just comes together the way its, I believe intended. We should not ignore these OT symbols & OT language. Its become so common to except the imposed view of its to us (all scripture, esp Rev & Mat 24) instead of that generation. Scripture is for us not to us
John Bray Matthew 24
How on earth can the 2nd coming happen in the 1st century!!!!!!?????? Matthew 24:29-31 is THE SEC0ND COMING OF CHRIST!!!!!!!
Tell me how you explain Mark 13 verse 10 ?
Read these verses my friend.
Col. 1:5-6 , Col. 1:23 , Romans 10:16-18 , Romans 16:25-26.
At about 55:23, he mentions the book by Kenneth Gentry... In questioning Kenneth L. Gentry and his preterism, Dr. Robert L. Thomas asked in his "Theonomy and the Dating of Revelation:" "How is it that the “cloud-coming” of A.D. 70 involves no personal coming of Christ (Matt 24:30; 26:64; Rev 1:7; 2:5, 16, 25; 3:3, 11, 20; 16:15; 22:7, 12, 20), but the “cloud-coming” at the end of history does (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:13 ff.)? Where did Christ distinguish between two such comings, and where did He say that He would personally appear at one and not at the other? The answer to both questions is “nowhere.”
Though expensive, I would recommend Thomas's two volume book: "Revelation: An Exegetical Commentary."
Rev. Isn't something that can be taught. Most of it God has hidden it's meaning having no definitive interpretation to be accepted or understood by people. If I were to tell you the seven churches, which each have a "trial" to overcome, is talking about God establishing seven different types of "levels of spiritual knowledge" that people are born with and everyone who has ever lived belongs to one of those "churches" you would scoff.
The body is the temple, church, synagogue of the holy spirit. The word church is being used that way. 'Let the spirit say to all the churches, those that overcome will not be hurt at sll by the "second" death'. The messages are being told to souls who have already experience the FIRST death, death of the body.
Each church represents a level of spiritual understanding predetermined by God and your level depends on the church in Rev. you belong to. I'm not saying that the church makes someone better than someone else, just different.
BTW, I'll assume you've never heard this before and I'll also assume you think I'm off my rocker. But suffice to say, I'm completely aware of "from what height" I have fallen. Rev 2 reference.
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If the book of Revelation cannot be taught, isn't that what you're trying to do in your post?
@@lawrencestanley8989 No. I am simply saying what it means. I am not "teaching" because that implies a motivation by me to help someone learn that it is "true" and being convinced they could accept it as true eventually. You either read it and know it because of an innate gift from God or you don't and never can accept it as truth because that's not God's plan for you.
Lawrence Stanley,
Cloud coming refers to the coming of the SON OF MAN to judge the nation of the Jews. Christ in very clear language that some of his disciples will not taste death until he comes and he said all the things (events) he predicted in the Olivet Discourse will happen before the passing of his contemporaries. In other words his coming (in judgment) will happen in the first century. In the OT when God comes on the cloud to render judgment it did not involve his personal coming but rather the coming of the powerful armies punishing the object of God's wrath, thus obeying the will of God even though they are not believers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The personal coming of Christ in Acts 1:11 is not "cloud coming". It says just like his ascending to heaven where he was hidden by the cloud at one point of his ascension, he will come down from heaven and he will appear at one point of his descent from the clouds which hid his descent. Nowhere does it says he rides or stand on a cloud when he descend from heaven.
According to Peter in Acts 3:21 Christ will remain heaven until the Restoration of all things that is, when death. the last enemy has been defeated and made a footstool of his feet. Thus, his personal coming will be at the end of time when the resurrection takes place.
Acts 3:21 , “whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.”
1 Cor. 15:25-26 “For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.”
Whereas Christ "coming on clouds" (coming in judgment) in 70 AD does not involve the resurrection of the dead. That is the main difference between the two comings. In 70 AD Christ came in judgment involves the destruction of the Jewish nation through the action of the roman armies (the "People of the Prince" of Daniel 9:26) and the Abomination of Desolation. (The fearsome one who causes destruction).
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You said: *"In the OT when God comes on the cloud to render judgment it did not involve his personal coming but rather the coming of the powerful armies punishing the object of God's wrath"*
Be specific; what passages are you referring to? Because we have many passages in the OT, such as Exodus 13:21 where God IS MOST ASSUREDLY present in the cloud - "The LORD was going before them in a pillar of cloud..."
Ok Wiat a second, the verse said they will """look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him"" Isreal did NOT Mourn for Christ maybe because of Him But not For HIM further other scripture Behold, (W)he is coming with the clouds, and (X)every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail Even IF you make earth into the Land ALL the tribes in the land cant be the tribes of Israel only as they were in the land of rome and even if you try this, Further in rev it shows men fro every tribe will hide from the face of him that is coming"""15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
How many times can you rename the same sermon?
@J_J How many times in one day must you forgive your brother?
@@gavin_hill you dont need to forgive someone because they rename the same sermon....
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I know ;)
@@gavin_hill not sure what your alluding to, but we are to forgive every who ask for it. Does God forgive without repentance?
J J interesting question, something I’ve asked recently
Hi there. Can you check up the new church here in the east. “ Members of the Church of God international”. Can you comment on this please.
Not to appease the fundamental Baptist, but the KJV is the only translation with a Hebrew or Greek to English translation. In so much that the words are numbered and referenced to every verse, the word is used in the strong concordance. There is nothing like the KJV.
The term in all the land or the inhabited Earth is repeated again in Mathew 24:14. The preaching” in all the inhabited Earth” truly was accomplished in Pauls day. Mathew 24:14 the answer is in the Bible. In some, but not all modern translations there is a miss translation of the Greek phrase oikoumené. (ee-ku-me-nee). This miss translation has sent many a religion down the wrong track. We must see it as the first century people saw it. Hence the words “all the inhabited earth”? in the Bible does not mean the “entire Earth” as we use it today. The context of the verse gives us the answer. The word for “all the inhabited Earth” in Greek is oikoumené. (ee-ku-me-nee)
Strong’s Concordance explains its usage as “(properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.”
HELPS Word-studies explains it this way: 3625 (oikouménē) literally means “the inhabited (land).” It was “originally used by the Greeks to denote the land inhabited by themselves, in contrast with barbarian countries; afterward, when the Greeks became subject to the Romans, ‘the entire Roman world;’ still later, for ‘the whole inhabited world’ “.
So, given this information, we can accurately understand Jesus’ words and intention at Mathew 24:14 if we read it this way: and this good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the known world (the Roman Empire) to all the Gentiles and then the end of Jerusalem will come.
Here is the other thing If YOur interpretation held water you would think the next generation would have also held that belief, But Here Justin Martyr Said otherwise
"But if so great a power is shown to have followed and to be still following the dispensation of His suffering, how great shall that be which shall follow His glorious advent! For He shall come on the clouds as the Son of man, so Daniel foretold, and His angels shall come with Him. [Then follows Dan. 7:9-28.] Now there is a scripture about the destruction of the temple but not instead of the end time coming of Christ
The Greek words "parousia" and "erchomenon" seem to be interchangeable and both are defined simply as a "coming or appearance". Jesus exchanges one for the other when describing the exact same event...."parousia" (Matt 24:27) "erchomenon" (Matt 24:30). There is nothing in the greek to indicate that the disciples were asking about a different coming than what Jesus told them it would look like.
In Matt 24, Jesus was asked what the signs would be of the destruction of the Temple, of his appearing, and of the end of the age. But Jesus did not constrain his answers to those questions. In fact, he talked about signs that would typify the entire church age, which they didn’t know about it, and signs that would precede the end of the church age, and the sign that will start the great tribulation. And Jesus talked about rewards in heaven, and he talked about the great white throne judgement.
Also, Jesus didn't say that this generation would not pass away before all those things happen. The Greek grammar in the biblical manuscripts includes the Particle _an_ (which denotes the wishes of the speaker) with verbs in the Subjunctive mood (which denotes subjective possibility). In other words, Jesus actually said that he _wished_ that all these things _might_ happen in that generation, but all those things didn’t happen in that generation or even yet, which means they’re in the future.
If the Preterist view is correct, where is the millennial reign of Christ on earth, and the subsequent new new earth and new Jerusalem?
The Church age is the millennial reign of Christ! He defeated Satan on the criss! He says "all authority has been given to me"! Again, the Catholic Church is that kingdom of God (Christ) on earth until the second coming! Praise Jesus Christ for the Church!
@@Buddy-cc8zg How can the church age be the millennial reign when it has lasted almost 2 millennia?
Well there are some good points to back the preterist view, but trying to change the angels to messengers and saying that it’s christians is a real stretch? Not one bible translation translates it as messengers. And they have many educated scholars who actually know the greek language to help translate when making our modern bible versions. I’ve never heard one solid explanation of when Jesus actually sent out His ANGELS in a 70 AD coming? This explanation of this is a real stretch..So when the Angels told the disciples that Jesus was going to come back in the “same way”that they watched Him go, which was visibly in the clouds, did they mean what they said? He didn’t ascend spiritually..It was physically and they watched Him go physically and will return in the same way..So if you don’t buy into the messenger interpretation, which is a stretch of the text, then how else do you explain away the Angels gathering the elect. And when does the Actual resurrection take place? And is the no more DEATH and pain and sorrow figurative also if He came back spiritually already? I think if God wants us to take things literally He makes it very easy to understand. We try and complicate things instead of just trusting His promises that when He returns there actually will be a resurrection and no more death.. I think Paul is very clear here concerning the resurrection not only of Jesus, but of us he wasn’t a spiritual resurrection. It’s a physical resurrection like Jesus said, a spirit does not have flesh and bone like I do. Luke 24:39..we will have the same type of body when we are resurrected like Jesus has.
1 Corinthians 15:13-15
13. If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
After collecting all tribes... Then what...
Just read Luke and EVEN IF I gave you guys EVERYTHING ELSE< you cant even make the coming in the clouds fit your timeline
In luke, Isreal is first judged and left desolate then after that there is the time of the gentiles, however long you want to make it obvious it's not a few days if you want to say a few years even if I gave that to you,
ITS ONLY AFTER THAT there are signs in the sun and the mood and all that AFTER THAT is Jesus COming in the clouds,
So Isaiah, Jesus, and John all mention these heavenly signs (Sun going black, Moon to blood, stars fall).... yet because they don't fit with the preterist view that Jeff Durbin holds, they must not be physical literal signs to be viewed.....folly
1 temple was destroyed..and christ is the new 1.yes ...but 1 will still be build..the anti christ will sit in it.. and when the book opens Gods wrath will (after all His (waiting) be pored on the earth..and we with Jesus will come down..Amen Halleluja
I do not think "skin color" is our problem. I think we mistakenly use skin color for sociology/psychology issue because we all come from different walks of life.
Revelation 20, [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. [2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [3] and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Brother Jeff using the KJV? Woohoo!!! Now one question… one very important question… is it a KJV Scofield? 😎
To think people are still expecting the building of the Third Temple and sightings of heifers...... *facepalm*
The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
The Second Coming is found in Revelation 6 with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are in the Olivet Discourse. Why are those at the end of the chapter hiding from the wrath of the Lamb unless the Lamb is present?
Christ returns in Revelation 11:15-18 with the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead. See John 5:27-30 for Christ's description of the bodily resurrection, and judgment of all the dead. In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.
Christ returns in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew chapter 13.
Christ returns "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.
Christ returns in chapter 19.
Christ returns when the fire comes, and with the judgment of the dead, at the end of Revelation chapter 20.
Unless the Second temple is still standing, Christ was a partial-preterist in the Olivet Discourse.
The first part of Luke 21:24 is about the events of 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a reference to the times of the Gentiles. Based on Luke 21:25-28, the Second Coming of Christ occurs when the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness. Paul referred to this same time period in Romans 11:25. Paul also eludes to this time period in Acts 28:28.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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AMEN & AMEN Jeff Durbin IS SPEAKING His Own Theology....& LIES FROM THE DEVIL/SATAN. UNLESS he REPENTS & RENOUNCES his LIES....he Will NOT Enter GOD'S ETERNAL HEAVENLY KINGDOM. PRAY For his Deliverance From Demonic DELUSIONS & FALSE Teaching!!
A lot of work put into your comment, but sorry still don’t get it. The verses quoted don’t seem to line up with your point.
@@lindanicholason878 Judge not or you will be judged in the same manner in which you judge others. Jeff IS NOT LYING. Lying by definition is knowing the truth but saying something else is true. Jeff believes he is telling the truth. God will not accuse him of lying so neither should you.
@@icanfartloud TRUTH IS TRUTH; It's NOT What you Believe to be Truth...IF IT'S NOT TRUTH, IT IS A LIE. DECEIVING Others With LIES = SIN * We Are To Judge Righteously; The BIBLE Tell us That.
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