Even after auditioning 3 separate AVR's, the same ambient sound of the room was still present! That told me the unwanted faint background signal noise I had been experiencing had nothing to do with the actual units. Therefore, my attention changed to the cables. And even then It was only on the third occasion after I finally purchased shielded cables did the noise floor within my small room finally came down to satisfactory levels
Yes, I understood this, I have two pairs of Wel Signature power cables, the connections are as you described, but in one pair the negative of the DBS is also connected to the negative terminal, while in the other pair the negative is not connected to the cable terminal
Thanks! Look for a complete review in my videos posted earlier, this time I was just preparing another piece for my center channel. I did fill review earlier :)
It is insane that they look like AQ cables down to the internal wiring writing... they are set up on the inside just like the real thing... except for the copper/silver quality... would like an honest answer as to how good that copper/silver wiring really is or is it just cheap copper.
@@Weneedpeople my biggest question is how much of actual sound quality is created by right geometry and shielding, and how much comes from material purity. These are seriously good.
Which layer are we talking about here precisely? I can do that, though I can't believe that :) They can be biased electrostatically but any real current conductivity would short something internally
@@k4syxIt is difficult to write through a translator. Quote from the official website "the negative conductors of this cable are partially coated with conductive polyethylene with carbon content "
@@legion2252 black inner - you mean insulation of negative wiring? The one with "bass" (for example) printed? That would effectively short negative speaker wiring with the shielding?
@@legion2252 aaaahh yes I know that, they are writing this for most speaker cables :D I'll check that with the meter but I believe this is just marketing blah blah blah :)
That's described in DBS patent docs that are freely available on the net. Basically, in each (l&r) cable there are two additional wires. One is usually at exact geometry axle of the cable and the other is in contact with the shieldind that is radial to the first one. So you have one exactly in the middle and the other around it like a circle that encapsulates everything else. And then you connect your DBS battery to them but without closing the circuit. That's all basically.
thank you very much, I also make the change to the other pair and remove the dbs cable from the negative terminal of the speakers. I always follow your videos, you are a great expert. Happy listening
Enjoy your content. Id like to see a compare with REAL budget alleged "giant killers" like SKW and Ramm Amedeus or REAL high quality bulk like Mogami, Canare and especially Somner. Within your budget, of course
Actually I have DIY Mogami, Canare, Sommer interconnect cables :) Mogami was only one that was able to enter the XLR shootout - Canare and Sommer, though great for the price, were no match even for a cheapest fake. Mogami was okayish and I'll probably do a video on them (it's 2354 if I recall correctly, the one highly recommended for XLRs and actually sold as ready Mogami branded ICs) but still it was last place overall...
@@k4syxThanks for this info. Once you've covered the replica AQ line, it would be interesting to see how the other replicas of the other audiophile brands fair.
Have you contacted AudioQuest on this matter? I do not care much for their cables, but I do support their rights to keep the company logo, designs, and patents protected. Would this not be a pattern infringement?
Yes, using the logo and brand name is a steal. AQ is pretty much aware of this as this has been going for at least half of the decade or longer. AudioQuest afaik is offering a service to check any cable if it's real in case you'd but some used and was wondering about that. The catch here is they do destroy the ones they'll find fake (which is fair in my book)
U assume Audioquest are honest. They sell these cables in the 3rd world then pontificate about evil fakes to fool who then assume implicit honesty of Audioquest
Great again! showing us the inside. But I think modern machinery is so sophisticated that they can do this, aspecialy about the printing. These cables are VERY expensive even as fakes and they know sooner or later somebody like you 🙂will show us the inside and creating myths. 🙂 It is real!? As you can see it is made from copper: so it isn't! But well made and highly interesting and with great results. sounding great. I think this is what it is: no more no less. Thanks again and if you can show us more and more about the insides too. Than all the talks come 'it is real!!' 🙂 Nonsense. that's what it is. So don't start creating fakenews here too That's not my goal, yours either I suppose? Friendly greetings again from the Nehterlands. 🙂
Hi! I think somebody there has access to some tooling and some materials, but they replace pure metals with something cheaper. Like when you'd recover old machinery from scrapyard. Nie that f.e fake rocket 88 uses old braid scheme: why fake old one instead of updated one? Why fake k2 that is no longer produced? "New" fakes - Dragons - are another story. I have no idea what these are. But there's something shady going on definitely....
Yeah, it's smth shady going on and now I'm pretty sure who's actually full of bs. Let's face it, AudioQuest are the kings of snake oil when it comes to cables. By the looks of it, this is probably a genuine AudioQuest cable and now we found out that the whole "pure, solid silver" story is just a fairy tale. Indeed, printing the inside wires would make no sense whatsoever, even for the most skilled forger.
Looks like you are paying for many layers of insulation and labeling which is completely pointless and makes the overall cable much thicker than it need be. A malty strand copper conductor of a large gauge is all that matters. Having a shield around the cable adds pointless capacitance, if anything could make the amplifier/specker combination sound slightly different. A long length cable could even make the amplifier ring a little. I think a touch of snake oil is oozing out a little here. PS. Don't forget to raise the cable 4 inches off the ground, then you will become a REAL audiophile completely saturated in snake oil!
nonsense too, you clearly don't know what you are talking about, in fact you deny that there are differences at all between cables. I have listened to so many different cables that I can tell just by serious listening and in a A and B comparison. Also after!! burning in times. So it takes in practice many years and hours of listening in various stages to be able to do this at all. That's why it's so great that he is doing this and share it with us.
@@onnonugteren2935 Have I been reading your reply correctly? Are you telling me that cables need to be burned in?? I have been in the audio business for 60 years, in retail, manufacturing, design. I think you are drowning in your own snake oil. The only thing that's important in speaker cable are low resistance and low capacitance between the conductors. However, if you think differently that's fine, some people think gods are real!!
As I said before Audioquest maybe sell this cable to 3rd World markets and take a far more modest profit.... And then ponitificate about evil fake cables
Are selecting comments? I can't see some of my comments to real nonsense. You did it twice in an earlier comment too? Just informing. I think this is only to be done when it really goes mad.
Hi! No, I'm not deleting or removing anything here. Maybe someone removed his comment that you were replying to? Anyway, nothing on my side. I've noticed however that some of the new comment notifications are coming late, like Ive already answered through studio, and then an hour later I get info about new comment through regular YT app
Aha thanks for explaining. thought so you wouldn't do that. :-) yes these 'guys' must of done that. didn't know that was possible. first some nonsense and than only remove the comments on that nonsense. mmmhmm. 🙂 Greetings.@@k4syx
@@onnonugteren2935 Look at "three dots" menu on the right side of your comment, there's delete - if they removed their comments then probably anything lower went away too
Probably just as good as the 'genuine' item.
Even after auditioning 3 separate AVR's, the same ambient sound of the room was still present! That told me the unwanted faint background signal noise I had been experiencing had nothing to do with the actual units. Therefore, my attention changed to the cables. And even then It was only on the third occasion after I finally purchased shielded cables did the noise floor within my small room finally came down to satisfactory levels
Hej , czy jest szansa abyś udostępnił link do kupienia tych kabli z Ali , jak coś może na prv bo jak szukałem to na Ali mają czasem inną konstrukcje 😢
Look for HighBass store
Thank you for the dissection! Odd for sure they would go through the trouble of printing on the guts nobody will ever see.
Exactly!
Yes, I understood this, I have two pairs of Wel Signature power cables, the connections are as you described, but in one pair the negative of the DBS is also connected to the negative terminal, while in the other pair the negative is not connected to the cable terminal
It shouldn't be connected to any of power/signal lines. Some fakes have that and I have no idea why
DBS cables are connected to the battery pack on one side... and to nothing on the other end.
Good Video!
How did it sound , did you have a way of comparing it to original AQ certified version?
Thanks! Look for a complete review in my videos posted earlier, this time I was just preparing another piece for my center channel. I did fill review earlier :)
Add a link to such review as I could not find it
@@kdomster9141 in a minute in the desc of the video.
It is insane that they look like AQ cables down to the internal wiring writing... they are set up on the inside just like the real thing... except for the copper/silver quality... would like an honest answer as to how good that copper/silver wiring really is or is it just cheap copper.
@@Weneedpeople my biggest question is how much of actual sound quality is created by right geometry and shielding, and how much comes from material purity. These are seriously good.
Love these “fake” videos. Subscribed
Thanks! Stay tuned for more :)
Please measure the INSULATION resistance of the black internal wires
in the original it conducts electricity
Which layer are we talking about here precisely? I can do that, though I can't believe that :)
They can be biased electrostatically but any real current conductivity would short something internally
@@k4syxIt is difficult to write through a translator. Quote from the official website "the negative conductors of this cable are partially coated with conductive polyethylene with carbon content "
@@k4syxIf you bring the ohmmeter probes to the insulation of the black inner conductors, it will show a very low resistance
@@legion2252 black inner - you mean insulation of negative wiring? The one with "bass" (for example) printed? That would effectively short negative speaker wiring with the shielding?
@@legion2252 aaaahh yes I know that, they are writing this for most speaker cables :D
I'll check that with the meter but I believe this is just marketing blah blah blah :)
Can you post a diagram of how the DBS is connected to the sides of the cable? Thank you
That's described in DBS patent docs that are freely available on the net. Basically, in each (l&r) cable there are two additional wires. One is usually at exact geometry axle of the cable and the other is in contact with the shieldind that is radial to the first one. So you have one exactly in the middle and the other around it like a circle that encapsulates everything else. And then you connect your DBS battery to them but without closing the circuit. That's all basically.
thank you very much, I also make the change to the other pair and remove the dbs cable from the negative terminal of the speakers. I always follow your videos, you are a great expert. Happy listening
Thank you, cheers!
It is really interesting. Maybe these Chinese guys are "Michelangelo"s of the imitation...
Enjoy your content. Id like to see a compare with REAL budget alleged "giant killers" like SKW and Ramm Amedeus or REAL high quality bulk like Mogami, Canare and especially Somner. Within your budget, of course
Actually I have DIY Mogami, Canare, Sommer interconnect cables :)
Mogami was only one that was able to enter the XLR shootout - Canare and Sommer, though great for the price, were no match even for a cheapest fake. Mogami was okayish and I'll probably do a video on them (it's 2354 if I recall correctly, the one highly recommended for XLRs and actually sold as ready Mogami branded ICs) but still it was last place overall...
@@k4syxThanks for this info. Once you've covered the replica AQ line, it would be interesting to see how the other replicas of the other audiophile brands fair.
@@HotSause yes I have a set of fake Nordost lined up. Stay tuned!
Yeah, cool. I have fake Nordost and Accuphase, and I genuinely enjoy them. I look forward to your content @k4syx
The cable is original but the assembly is cheap Chinese. I'm checking all the cables. Polarities in power cables and directions are often confused.
Have you contacted AudioQuest on this matter? I do not care much for their cables, but I do support their rights to keep the company logo, designs, and patents protected. Would this not be a pattern infringement?
Yes, using the logo and brand name is a steal. AQ is pretty much aware of this as this has been going for at least half of the decade or longer. AudioQuest afaik is offering a service to check any cable if it's real in case you'd but some used and was wondering about that. The catch here is they do destroy the ones they'll find fake (which is fair in my book)
U assume Audioquest are honest. They sell these cables in the 3rd world then pontificate about evil fakes to fool who then assume implicit honesty of Audioquest
Great again! showing us the inside. But I think modern machinery is so sophisticated that they can do this, aspecialy about the printing. These cables are VERY expensive even as fakes and they know sooner or later somebody like you 🙂will show us the inside and creating myths. 🙂 It is real!? As you can see it is made from copper: so it isn't! But well made and highly interesting and with great results. sounding great. I think this is what it is: no more no less. Thanks again and if you can show us more and more about the insides too. Than all the talks come 'it is real!!' 🙂 Nonsense. that's what it is. So don't start creating fakenews here too That's not my goal, yours either I suppose? Friendly greetings again from the Nehterlands. 🙂
Hi!
I think somebody there has access to some tooling and some materials, but they replace pure metals with something cheaper. Like when you'd recover old machinery from scrapyard. Nie that f.e fake rocket 88 uses old braid scheme: why fake old one instead of updated one? Why fake k2 that is no longer produced?
"New" fakes - Dragons - are another story. I have no idea what these are. But there's something shady going on definitely....
Well you might be right after all, will you tell us when you know? 🙂 Greetings.@@k4syx
Yeah, it's smth shady going on and now I'm pretty sure who's actually full of bs. Let's face it, AudioQuest are the kings of snake oil when it comes to cables. By the looks of it, this is probably a genuine AudioQuest cable and now we found out that the whole "pure, solid silver" story is just a fairy tale. Indeed, printing the inside wires would make no sense whatsoever, even for the most skilled forger.
They probably source it from the same place.
Looks like you are paying for many layers of insulation and labeling which is completely pointless and makes the overall cable much thicker than it need be. A malty strand copper conductor of a large gauge is all that matters. Having a shield around the cable adds pointless capacitance, if anything could make the amplifier/specker combination sound slightly different. A long length cable could even make the amplifier ring a little. I think a touch of snake oil is oozing out a little here.
PS. Don't forget to raise the cable 4 inches off the ground, then you will become a REAL audiophile completely saturated in snake oil!
Isn’t insulation protecting the signal from interference from other cables (esp. power cables)? It’s usually messy at the back of audio gear racks.
nonsense too, you clearly don't know what you are talking about, in fact you deny that there are differences at all between cables. I have listened to so many different cables that I can tell just by serious listening and in a A and B comparison. Also after!! burning in times. So it takes in practice many years and hours of listening in various stages to be able to do this at all. That's why it's so great that he is doing this and share it with us.
@@onnonugteren2935 Have I been reading your reply correctly? Are you telling me that cables need to be burned in?? I have been in the audio business for 60 years, in retail, manufacturing, design. I think you are drowning in your own snake oil. The only thing that's important in speaker cable are low resistance and low capacitance between the conductors. However, if you think differently that's fine, some people think gods are real!!
Use solid core mains cable. It's stiff but very good indeed.
@@onnonugteren2935 Burning in cables? 🤣
As I said before Audioquest maybe sell this cable to 3rd World markets and take a far more modest profit.... And then ponitificate about evil fake cables
maybe they have the real technology of copper wires, shielding, printing, but they don not have the silver.
I'd rather say they have access to original production line, though they are not using solid silver but silver plated copper.
Maybe the original doesn't also use pure copper?
@k4syx
Are selecting comments? I can't see some of my comments to real nonsense. You did it twice in an earlier comment too? Just informing. I think this is only to be done when it really goes mad.
Hi!
No, I'm not deleting or removing anything here. Maybe someone removed his comment that you were replying to?
Anyway, nothing on my side.
I've noticed however that some of the new comment notifications are coming late, like Ive already answered through studio, and then an hour later I get info about new comment through regular YT app
Aha thanks for explaining. thought so you wouldn't do that. :-) yes these 'guys' must of done that. didn't know that was possible. first some nonsense and than only remove the comments on that nonsense. mmmhmm. 🙂 Greetings.@@k4syx
@@onnonugteren2935 Look at "three dots" menu on the right side of your comment, there's delete - if they removed their comments then probably anything lower went away too
Aha yes that must of been so. 🙂 proof of nonsense too? ;-) @@k4syx
Maybe it’s a fake fake 😅
I love that idea :D